RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
But doesn't the N80 have DOF preview? You should be able to stop the lens down, and take a reading, no? This would be tougher on the ZX-30/50, as there is no DOF preview. Todd At 04:04 PM 2/15/01 -0800, you wrote: >I have not checked it myself. But if it's like Pentax's design, they could >disable the metering easily by removing the aperture coupling ring (required >for all manual focus lenses) on the camera. Pentax did this on some very low >end MZ/ZX bodies too. > >regards, >Alan Chan > >>Len >>--- > > >_ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 2/15/01 7:16:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Could that be the FA*250-600/5.6? Yummy... >> > > Oh no, I've shot ~that~ one. I get to shoot it every Spring during Polo > matches [Chukkas]. One of the first of the 250-600 models, this one is still > an impressive piece of glass and covers a 900 x 300 foot Polo field with > ease. > Yeah, "Yummy!" > > PENTAX produces the absolute ideal Polo lens, their 135-600 f/6.7. If they > make that one an f/5.6 autofocus I'd be happy! The 135-600 is also a great > auto/horse race/air show lens, or any venue where you need serious distance > and don't absolutely need autofocus. The 250-600 works pretty well for auto racing; I haven't tried it at an air show yet. There's not a lot of Polo around here, either. It's too much lens for a typical showjumping ring, although I expect it would work quite well for eventing. Can't wait to try it on an MZ-S; that will give the autofocus motor a fairly good workout! Yummy, indeed. Especially if you get a good deal on a used one. But the case is too large for most airline carryon baggage rules. So you get stuck with unpleasant choices - leave it at home, risk it in checked baggage, or buy it a seat ticket (if your airline is amenable to that option). I've considered shipping it to myself overnight delivery, but I've never actually done that. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/15/01 7:16:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Could that be the FA*250-600/5.6? Yummy... >> Oh no, I've shot ~that~ one. I get to shoot it every Spring during Polo matches [Chukkas]. One of the first of the 250-600 models, this one is still an impressive piece of glass and covers a 900 x 300 foot Polo field with ease. Yeah, "Yummy!" PENTAX produces the absolute ideal Polo lens, their 135-600 f/6.7. If they make that one an f/5.6 autofocus I'd be happy! The 135-600 is also a great auto/horse race/air show lens, or any venue where you need serious distance and don't absolutely need autofocus. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[4]: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Alan wrote: > >Pentax Japan site has not shown even that there will be > an >MZ-S. Or they won't sell S in Japan, though I > don't >think they won't. > > Perhaps they have something even better for themselves? > MZ-S Limited? > > regards, > Alan Chan Or maybe "MZ-S 2001 Ltd" w/ FA31, 43, and 77Ltd!! Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
> > Don't really know about Pentax history on this, but the > > price is mentioned on the German Pentax web-site now: > >Pentax Japan site has not shown even that there will be an >MZ-S. Or they won't sell S in Japan, though I don't >think they won't. Perhaps they have something even better for themselves? MZ-S Limited? regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Hi Price tag is not that importent. I think I spent 10,000-20,000$ photographing during the last eight-nine years (when I got the Z1). Hundreds of rolls, thousands of prints and slides. 100$ more or less is of no importens what so ever, as long as we enjoy working with the camera. The camera body is a small investment in the "Total Picture" Jens - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
I have an N80 brochure. With AI-P lenses, all metering is available. With AI lenses, no metering is available. Thanks, Ed - Original Message - From: "Alexandre A. P. Suaide" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > Just a few minutes after I send this mail my > "Nikon" friend called me again and said he is > not 100% sure about this Ask Nikon > > Alex > > "Alexandre A. P. Suaide" wrote: > > > > I asked a friend who has N80 and he said me that > > only the 3D matrix is lost on manual focus lenses. > > We still have spot and center weighted > > > > Alex > > > > -- > --- > Alexandre A. P. Suaide, Ph.D. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Physics Department > University of Sao Paulo - BrazilPhone: 1-313-577-5419 > Wayne State University - MI -USAICQ number: 78139605 > --- > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
> Don't really know about Pentax history on this, but the > price is mentioned on the German Pentax web-site now: Pentax Japan site has not shown even that there will be an MZ-S. Or they won't sell S in Japan, though I don't think they won't. Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:17:21 -0800 (PST), herbet brasileiro wrote: >To those that have been following Pentax for longer: >Does Pentax always hides information (especially >price) on new cameras for so long or at this time it's >because they are affraid of making a mistake. >Therefore they're kinda waiting for the public's >reaction before setting the price. Don't really know about Pentax history on this, but the price is mentioned on the German Pentax web-site now: http://www.foto.pentax.de/aktuell/_meldung/a0005610.lhtml DM 2500 is roughly $1150, but I do assume this is 'list price' Regards, JvW - Jan van Wijk; www.fsys.demon.nl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Just a few minutes after I send this mail my "Nikon" friend called me again and said he is not 100% sure about this Ask Nikon Alex "Alexandre A. P. Suaide" wrote: > > I asked a friend who has N80 and he said me that > only the 3D matrix is lost on manual focus lenses. > We still have spot and center weighted > > Alex > -- --- Alexandre A. P. Suaide, Ph.D. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department University of Sao Paulo - BrazilPhone: 1-313-577-5419 Wayne State University - MI -USAICQ number: 78139605 --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Some NY shops rent equipment for one day, but just Nikon and Canon. I don't know any who rents pentax equipment It is a good way to do a "test drive" in NY/NJ area. Alex Alan Chan wrote: > > >Quite okay! Wish there were some photo shops as accommodating in the NY/NJ > >area though. Perhaps there are, but I've never heard of, or encountered > >any, > >that would allow one to run a roll of film through a camera prior to > >buying. > >My loss, this... > >Dosk > > I think that depends on the individual retailers. In HK, if you asked this, > they would just ignore you (thought you were nuts). > > regards, > Alan Chan > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- --- Alexandre A. P. Suaide, Ph.D. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department University of Sao Paulo - BrazilPhone: 1-313-577-5419 Wayne State University - MI -USAICQ number: 78139605 --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
I asked a friend who has N80 and he said me that only the 3D matrix is lost on manual focus lenses. We still have spot and center weighted Alex Len Paris wrote: > > > > > Boz, unless I've gone completely nuts here, the > > F80 can use all > > > > of the Nikon manual focus lenses that are > > designated as AI or > > > > AI-S, > > > > > >Ah, but you lose metering with them. The old F70 > > used to meter with MF > > >lenses, and the F90x still does, but the F80 does not. > > > > That's why it should be called F69 (or whatever > > number between 69 and 66) in > > the first place. > > > > regards, > > Alan Chan > > > > I have taken an, admittedly, quick look at the Nikon USA > website. It says that the N80 (F80) has three metering modes, > "10 segment 3D Matrix Metering, Center-Weighted Metering and > Spot Metering" so that would tend to make me think that you > shouldn't lose all metering ability with AI-S, manual lenses. > > But, it does specifically state that the lens mount is "AF-D" so > that *could* mean that only AF-D lenses (or newer) can be used. > I guess it would be possible to limit an economy model autofocus > camera this way. At least I guess it's an economy model since > B&H sells the body for under US$450, and the cost of the F100, > and F5, are so much greater. > > I am going to have to ask a Nikon dealer friend of mine some > questions about the N80. The thought that Nikon would do that, > since they have a reputation of backwards compatibility second > only to Pentax, boggles my mind. > > Len > --- > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- --- Alexandre A. P. Suaide, Ph.D. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department University of Sao Paulo - BrazilPhone: 1-313-577-5419 Wayne State University - MI -USAICQ number: 78139605 --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 9:57:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << << That's a heap of manual focus lenses. >> > >But not nearly as many as there are K-mount manuals. >Mafud I am not sure about that. But I can see you are a die-hard Pentax fan. >> I am. Owning a PENTAX is almost like the warm fuzzy feeling I get about my 14 year-old Doberman: we've been places together, shared memories..and venues. He'll be gone soon but he'll have a place in my heart. Don't mistake my buying a 67ll as a sign of blind brand loyalty. Before I retired, I owned a CANON A-2 w/VG-10 grip, 100-400 [IS] lens, 35-350 [L] lens, a 28-70 f/2.8 lens, a 430 TTL flash-you know, a real "pro" PJ outfit. *I bought the A-2 just to have something to shoot the 35-350. But when I retired, the CANON gear was the first thing I dumped on my way to gathering funds for my 67ll and new BOGEN tripod. I still own PENTAX 35mm gear: my trusty SUPER PROGRAM/Motor "A" rig, my early vintage PZ-1p, a cherry K-1000 w/f/1.4 "M" lens, an AF400T and AF280T flash, both doing double duty on the 67ll. Do I miss the CANON gear? Yep, shooting the 35-350* lens mostly. *Had Nikon (or anyone else) made a 35-350, I would have owned a Nikon AF body to own the lens. It's a pity PENTAX has not kept up in the super zoom lens department. Even Nikon has an 80-400 super zoom... but you knew that already. I always dreamed... of shooting my trusted PZ-1p behind an autofocus PENTAX super zoom... but, no such luck. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 9:54:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << ><< I am sure many Nikon fans would say just the same. >> > >But they'd be lying! Give me a break... >> Alan, I'm joking most times, but you've lately seemed to have taken up a self-appointed station as resident PDML list curmudgeon: nee: surreptitious Nikon user/booster. Lighten up! But if you *really*, really prefer Nikon... Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed Mathews > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > > > I just read Pop Photo's anual line-up of top cameras, > and with regard to the > Nikon N80, it also states that you loose all TTL > metering with anything > other than an AF lens. > > Thanks, > Ed Geez! No wonder the N80 doesn't seem to get much discussion on the Nikon lists I read. It must be a major embarrassment for die-hard Nikonians. There are a lot of folks there that own tons of manual focus lenses, too. I have a few myself. Thanks for shattering my illusions, Ed. :-) Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
I just read Pop Photo's anual line-up of top cameras, and with regard to the Nikon N80, it also states that you loose all TTL metering with anything other than an AF lens. Thanks, Ed - Original Message - From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:25 AM Subject: RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > > > > > > Boz, unless I've gone completely nuts here, the > > F80 can use all > > > > of the Nikon manual focus lenses that are > > designated as AI or > > > > AI-S, > > > > > >Ah, but you lose metering with them. The old F70 > > used to meter with MF > > >lenses, and the F90x still does, but the F80 does not. > > > > That's why it should be called F69 (or whatever > > number between 69 and 66) in > > the first place. > > > > regards, > > Alan Chan > > > > I have taken an, admittedly, quick look at the Nikon USA > website. It says that the N80 (F80) has three metering modes, > "10 segment 3D Matrix Metering, Center-Weighted Metering and > Spot Metering" so that would tend to make me think that you > shouldn't lose all metering ability with AI-S, manual lenses. > > But, it does specifically state that the lens mount is "AF-D" so > that *could* mean that only AF-D lenses (or newer) can be used. > I guess it would be possible to limit an economy model autofocus > camera this way. At least I guess it's an economy model since > B&H sells the body for under US$450, and the cost of the F100, > and F5, are so much greater. > > I am going to have to ask a Nikon dealer friend of mine some > questions about the N80. The thought that Nikon would do that, > since they have a reputation of backwards compatibility second > only to Pentax, boggles my mind. > > Len > --- > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
> > > Boz, unless I've gone completely nuts here, the > F80 can use all > > > of the Nikon manual focus lenses that are > designated as AI or > > > AI-S, > > > >Ah, but you lose metering with them. The old F70 > used to meter with MF > >lenses, and the F90x still does, but the F80 does not. > > That's why it should be called F69 (or whatever > number between 69 and 66) in > the first place. > > regards, > Alan Chan > I have taken an, admittedly, quick look at the Nikon USA website. It says that the N80 (F80) has three metering modes, "10 segment 3D Matrix Metering, Center-Weighted Metering and Spot Metering" so that would tend to make me think that you shouldn't lose all metering ability with AI-S, manual lenses. But, it does specifically state that the lens mount is "AF-D" so that *could* mean that only AF-D lenses (or newer) can be used. I guess it would be possible to limit an economy model autofocus camera this way. At least I guess it's an economy model since B&H sells the body for under US$450, and the cost of the F100, and F5, are so much greater. I am going to have to ask a Nikon dealer friend of mine some questions about the N80. The thought that Nikon would do that, since they have a reputation of backwards compatibility second only to Pentax, boggles my mind. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Recently Len Paris wrote: (talking of the Nikon F80/N80) > > Really? Do you lose all metering with manual focus lenses? Or > maybe just certain metering modes? This is a revelation to me. You lose all metering. > If the light still passes through the lens, and gets into the > body, then what blocks it from getting to the meter cells in the > body? What blocks it is Nikon's marketing department. The camera tries to talk to the lens' internal chip, and if there comes no answer, the camera does not meter. Note that they COULD meter and provide center-weighted and sopt-metering, but they chose not to support manual-focus lenses at all. Cheers, Boz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
>Ah, but you lose metering with them. The old F70 > used to meter with MF > >lenses, and the F90x still does, but the F80 does not. > > That's why it should be called F69 (or whatever > number between 69 and 66) in > the first place. > > regards, > Alan Chan Really? Do you lose all metering with manual focus lenses? Or maybe just certain metering modes? This is a revelation to me. If the light still passes through the lens, and gets into the body, then what blocks it from getting to the meter cells in the body? I can see where, a metering mode may be lost if you don't have an IC chip in the lens to feed focus distance information to the exposure meter, but I don't see how you could lose all metering, unless the only metering mode the camera has is the mode that requires the IC chip. I guess that is quite possible but see no reason they would build a camera that way. I haven't been planning to buy an F80, so I haven't looked into it's specifications very deeply. I will do so now. I haven't read a lot of discussion about it on the Nikon lists, either. Maybe the Nikonians don't consider the F80 to be a serious camera alternative. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Alan wrote: > I am sure many Pentax fans would rush to buy one, or two, or even three... > So to the Ferrari fans... But then how many people on earth can afford those > Ferrari anyway? For those who can't, they would just settle on something > more affordabe. I am not saying the MZ-S wouldn't be affordable, because we > do not know the price yet. A friend of mine in the photography business, John Bicht of Versalab, used to be a Ferrari repairman. He says that the great majority of Ferrari owners actually can't afford to own them. He saw it because they stretch to buy the cars then can't afford to keep them maintained, so the repair people only saw major problems, seldom routine maintenance. He says most Ferraris are relatively poorly maintained. He said it was very frustrating and it finally caused him to get out of the business. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
>Quite okay! Wish there were some photo shops as accommodating in the NY/NJ >area though. Perhaps there are, but I've never heard of, or encountered >any, >that would allow one to run a roll of film through a camera prior to >buying. >My loss, this... >Dosk I think that depends on the individual retailers. In HK, if you asked this, they would just ignore you (thought you were nuts). regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Skip, I guess I should be flattered that you paid that much attention to what I wrote. If you'll read the post from Alex to which I responded, I think my choice of wording will become clear. Just to clear things up, Pentax does not control my mind. I don't worship Pentax. I use their equipment, so when they introduce new equipment which appears to be something I could use in my work, I pay attention. Doug At 3:35 PM -05002/14/01, dosk caused thus to appear: >Re; > >>Is that okay with you? >> >> Tell me why it's so curious that I've decided to actually test drive the >MZ-S before passing any serious judgement on it > >Whether or not it's "okay" with me makes no difference, does it? The thing I >picked up on was your original choice of wording;- "compelled" to get it... >(Wording which I see you are now lowering in intensity.) And I am curious as >to why you picked those exact words? And I am not critisizing you. Please! >I myself have some of these very same feelings...! > >However I am coming to believe that our world is becoming more and more >controlled by those who create obsessive demands for, manufacture, and then >sell products. (Especially the entertainment and toy industries.) What I am >amazed about here (in Pentaxia) is the absolute frenzy that seems to be >generated on this list by the simple fact of a corporation producing a new >toy >As someone has already said, it's a camera, not a religion. (Or is it?) > >Someone else has also said here (and in approval, not jest, I believe), that >one's machines (alright, a car, they said) soon become the subject of >adoration and worship. >I find that sad, and somewhat foreboding. I am wondering, how will it be >when TC's rule the world? (TC's = Transnational Corporations, not >tele-converters!) > >Anyway, I thought my initial poem/complaint about it (did any here recognize >it as a poem?) was pretty good! (Even if no one else did.) And I will use it >(albeit slightly modified) in a new book I am working on. I consider prose >and poetry about the cultural and social dangers of the new Consumerite >religions and the sad doctrines of their high (CEO) priests, to be far more >pertinent and up to date than the (by now) moldy tackiness of Monty >Python... (Whom I loved when they first came out, but grew tired of after >the 600th episode.) > >I've no wish to offend anyone here. I do think that Pentax, after all, does >make the best SLR cameras I've ever used. But I could live without (several >of?) them. (Really I could...) But also I thought this was a forum for >photographers (hobbyists or otherwise) who used Pentax equipment because >they liked it, and not because they worshipped it... > >Anyway, IMO all of this does make for good discourse, as it is enlightening >to me. The TC's already seem to know how to capture our minds, and now >they're going after our souls! (And no, I myself am not particularly >religious. Just scared for my grandchildren...) > >Greywoulf. Dosk. Skip (Take your pick...) -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
>I've no wish to offend anyone here. I do think that Pentax, after all, does >make the best SLR cameras I've ever used. But I could live without (several >of?) them. (Really I could...) But also I thought this was a forum for >photographers (hobbyists or otherwise) who used Pentax equipment because >they liked it, and not because they worshipped it... I feel exactly the same. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
>Doug didn't say he was going to use it to "make some pictures" (your >quote marks, not mine; your words, not his). You merely attributed it to >him. But I don't know why you're attacking his personal musings about >this camera and his decision making process. Tell us what you think, >dosk. Don't try to analyze someone else's perspective. (It's in >particularly bad taste to attack our esteemed leader and keeper of the >list.) >Paul There are a few persons on the list start to take the discussion personal. This is upsetting. 8-( regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
To those that have been following Pentax for longer: Does Pentax always hides information (especially price) on new cameras for so long or at this time it's because they are affraid of making a mistake. Therefore they're kinda waiting for the public's reaction before setting the price. Herbet. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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> > Boz, unless I've gone completely nuts here, the F80 can use all > > of the Nikon manual focus lenses that are designated as AI or > > AI-S, > >Ah, but you lose metering with them. The old F70 used to meter with MF >lenses, and the F90x still does, but the F80 does not. That's why it should be called F69 (or whatever number between 69 and 66) in the first place. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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><< I feel quite the same too. To the general public, the reasoning is >really > simple - why buy a Pentax when you can buy a Nikon for the same amount of > money? >> > >So you can use all that delicious SMC glass, that's why! But then Nikon fans would say Nikkors are so much better than SMC too. Not to mention that to those who have not used Pentax SMC, do not really care (the general public?). regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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>But then some of us thought the MX was the best camera ever >made. Quite a tough act to follow. Anyone out there think a >Z-1p is the best camera ever made? >--Tom I think what made the MX so special was the fact that it was done by nobody else (compact mechanical). When the Z-1 and Z-1p were released, they were hardly the best on the market. Even now, people buy them mostly because they offer great value. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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><< In the end, what matter most is the actual selling price. >> > >Nah Alan, what matters most to *you* (Alan), is the actual selling price. >To some, only availability will stop them from owning an MZ-S. Thre are >people all over the world who have waited, patiently, for this new >offering. >Such people, when scratched, bleed PENTAXian blood. > >What are you willing to wager that more than a few PDML members, many of >them >who never participate on the list, haven't *already* ordered the MZ-S and >new >24-90 zoom lens from B&H-sight unseen? >Wanna bet? I am sure many Pentax fans would rush to buy one, or two, or even three... So to the Ferrari fans... But then how many people on earth can afford those Ferrari anyway? For those who can't, they would just settle on something more affordabe. I am not saying the MZ-S wouldn't be affordable, because we do not know the price yet. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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><< That's a heap of manual focus lenses. >> > >But not nearly as many as there are K-mount manuals. >Mafud I am not sure about that. But I can see you are a die-hard Pentax fan. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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><< I am sure many Nikon fans would say just the same. >> > >But they'd be lying! Give me a break... regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In a message dated 2/14/01 3:42:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << What I am amazed about here (in Pentaxia) is the absolute frenzy that seems to be generated on this list by the simple fact of a corporation producing a new toy >> The "frenzy" is not recent, nor does it center on the new toy. It is a PENTAXIA frenzy and nearly anything can cause one, including the many disappointments over this or that camera over the past four or more years. Somewhere out there a Pentaxian grieves because the MZ-S is not a robocamera. Some have even mourned the passing of the 1/8000th sec shutter and 1/250th sec flash sync. Others on the list, ecstatic that PENTAX finally put out a "serious" PENTAX "heritage" type body in the mold of LX, ME, MX, Super Program, will crow like Roosters and sulk when some snippy-sniping N shooter points out its shortcomings. Some have even added to the furor, inferring that they are finally jumping ship, "going over" so to speak to the "dark side" because of their disappointment in the MZ-S. Want to wager that the MZ-S won't jump off the shelves like its less glamorous siblings have and do? Wait until the "frenzy" thread starts when a PDML list member finally gets one of their own. The list will fawn over them and the new "baby" for weeks, or at least until another list member gets theirs. Already one can sense the next frenzy: the frenzy when PDMLers begin (loudly) suggesting (campaigning) for the new features that MUST be added in the new, improved MZ-S(n) [due out in November, 2001]. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 11:34:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I've seen the term robocamera on the list for sometime, but it seems most modern Pentaxes, any camera that has a full-auto mode falls into this category. >> This statement, as sincere as it is, is also temporizing, saying in effect: "I'm (we're) just as bad as they are." Bullfeathers. PENTAXIANS are *not* the kind of people who would purchase or shoot 5.5 pound, slab-sided SLR cameras; they already crab enough about the weight of their tiny "M" bodies. *Have you ever noticed the results in photography contests in photo related magazines, contests where the public is invited to enter? No matter how hokey we might think the contests are, you can count on PENTAXIANS, mostly amateurs, to win many of the prizes, many times grand prizes and astonishingly, many times with either point and shoots or manual bodied rigs. What do the C/N shooter's use in those same contests? Big, 5.5 pounds+, slab-sided robocameras. *A PZ-1p with 80-200 f/2.8 lens and hood aboard weighs in at a tad over 5 pounds, most of the weight (3 pounds, 13 ounces) of course, residing in the lens. Hang a 80-200 f/2.8 lens on a N? 7+ pounds sans booster. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Quite okay! Wish there were some photo shops as accommodating in the NY/NJ area though. Perhaps there are, but I've never heard of, or encountered any, that would allow one to run a roll of film through a camera prior to buying. My loss, this... Dosk - Original Message - From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:50 AM Subject: Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > Skip, > > Lots of camera stores will let you run a quick roll of film through a camera. It's not exactly a trade secret. But if you simply have to know, I spent some of the last season photographing autocrosses for the local chapter of the SCCA. I'm curious whether the MZ-S will fit in with my potential plans to shoot the whole season this year. If it's comfortable to use, and the AF system is quick and responsive, well, maybe you get the idea. Is that okay with you? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Re; >Is that okay with you? > > Tell me why it's so curious that I've decided to actually test drive the MZ-S before passing any serious judgement on it Whether or not it's "okay" with me makes no difference, does it? The thing I picked up on was your original choice of wording;- "compelled" to get it... (Wording which I see you are now lowering in intensity.) And I am curious as to why you picked those exact words? And I am not critisizing you. Please! I myself have some of these very same feelings...! However I am coming to believe that our world is becoming more and more controlled by those who create obsessive demands for, manufacture, and then sell products. (Especially the entertainment and toy industries.) What I am amazed about here (in Pentaxia) is the absolute frenzy that seems to be generated on this list by the simple fact of a corporation producing a new toy As someone has already said, it's a camera, not a religion. (Or is it?) Someone else has also said here (and in approval, not jest, I believe), that one's machines (alright, a car, they said) soon become the subject of adoration and worship. I find that sad, and somewhat foreboding. I am wondering, how will it be when TC's rule the world? (TC's = Transnational Corporations, not tele-converters!) Anyway, I thought my initial poem/complaint about it (did any here recognize it as a poem?) was pretty good! (Even if no one else did.) And I will use it (albeit slightly modified) in a new book I am working on. I consider prose and poetry about the cultural and social dangers of the new Consumerite religions and the sad doctrines of their high (CEO) priests, to be far more pertinent and up to date than the (by now) moldy tackiness of Monty Python... (Whom I loved when they first came out, but grew tired of after the 600th episode.) I've no wish to offend anyone here. I do think that Pentax, after all, does make the best SLR cameras I've ever used. But I could live without (several of?) them. (Really I could...) But also I thought this was a forum for photographers (hobbyists or otherwise) who used Pentax equipment because they liked it, and not because they worshipped it... Anyway, IMO all of this does make for good discourse, as it is enlightening to me. The TC's already seem to know how to capture our minds, and now they're going after our souls! (And no, I myself am not particularly religious. Just scared for my grandchildren...) Greywoulf. Dosk. Skip (Take your pick...) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 12:55:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I'd prefer it if people didn't find it necessary to belittle the camera choices of others, but what else do you expect when even uttering the word 'Canon' or 'Nikon' is enough to garner insults? >> I find most Canon & Nikon shooters insufferably arrogant. Hey, you understand Leica shooters or even Field Camera and other large format shooters who apparently think 35mm shooters might at least learn to stay in their place, but overall, such people are...civilized, at least. Not those Canon-Nikon folks: people who are insufferable, arrogant, snooty and snotty at once...kinda like US Marines, who blow their own horns, too often and much too loud. Being nice to someone who is not, in their turn, nice, is a philosophical principle I find unattractive, too much like turning the other cheek. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Well my point (which is practically pointless at this point) is that it's not the camera that's robo, it's the user of the device. Calling other cameras "robocameras" as an insult is pinning the tail on the wrong donkey. Tom C. -Original Message- >In a message dated 2/14/01 11:32:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< Aren't we talking about robophotogs then? The PZ-1p can certainly do a >decent job in user mode if all a person wants is properly exposed in-focus >photos. It's a robocamera too. >> > > Mafud wrote: >It is indelicate, if not downright improper, to call the jewel that is the >PZ-1p a "robocamera" simply because it is as complete a camera [sans betters >AF] as any out there. The PZ-1p has automatic and user functions some of the >real "robocameras" still don't have (or just recently got). >With a battery grip/vertical release, the PZ-1p would have ranked right up >there. My casual survey of PZ-1p owners was not decisive, but the PZ-1p has >stood the test of time, even with 1989 technology driving it. Imagine, this >"serious amateur" camera has 1/250 sec flash sync, 1/8000th sec shutter, and >a host of other features in a body so unassuming it cries "amateur." When I >was still a working PJ who owned a PZ-1p, I can remember the looks, the >unbelieving stares when the other "pro" (those who didn't know me) would walk >up and ask: "What's *that*? "That" being my PZ-1p with my PENTAX 80-200 f/2.8 >FA AF lens wearing its big silver hood: >"PENTAX" I'd say: >"GAWD-DAMMN!" they'd say, "PENTAX makes *THAT*?!!" >When I sold it (to help finance my 67ll), it had more than 41,000 PJ frames >(and PJ frames on a camera is like dog years on a dog) on it; other than rub >marks and slick spots from twiddling camera body wheels, it was still in >grand condition. > >"Robocamera"? No, a complete machine that with few exceptions, can shoot with >the best of them today...hell, it's almost as good as its little brothers, >Super Program and ME. > >Mafud >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
aimcompute wrote: > > But the camera doesn't make the person do it, the person let's the camera do > it, becoming lazy. I've seen the term robocamera on the list for sometime, > but it seems most modern Pentaxes, any camera that has a full-auto mode > falls into this category. As has been pointed out, it's a term of derision. It's insulting to those of us who like to use such cameras, but who are equally capable of working with a fully manual camera. I'd prefer it if people didn't find it necessary to belittle the camera choices of others, but what else do you expect when even uttering the word 'Canon' or 'Nikon' is enough to garner insults? -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 11:32:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Aren't we talking about robophotogs then? The PZ-1p can certainly do a decent job in user mode if all a person wants is properly exposed in-focus photos. It's a robocamera too. >> It is indelicate, if not downright improper, to call the jewel that is the PZ-1p a "robocamera" simply because it is as complete a camera [sans betters AF] as any out there. The PZ-1p has automatic and user functions some of the real "robocameras" still don't have (or just recently got). With a battery grip/vertical release, the PZ-1p would have ranked right up there. My casual survey of PZ-1p owners was not decisive, but the PZ-1p has stood the test of time, even with 1989 technology driving it. Imagine, this "serious amateur" camera has 1/250 sec flash sync, 1/8000th sec shutter, and a host of other features in a body so unassuming it cries "amateur." When I was still a working PJ who owned a PZ-1p, I can remember the looks, the unbelieving stares when the other "pro" (those who didn't know me) would walk up and ask: "What's *that*? "That" being my PZ-1p with my PENTAX 80-200 f/2.8 FA AF lens wearing its big silver hood: "PENTAX" I'd say: "GAWD-DAMMN!" they'd say, "PENTAX makes *THAT*?!!" When I sold it (to help finance my 67ll), it had more than 41,000 PJ frames (and PJ frames on a camera is like dog years on a dog) on it; other than rub marks and slick spots from twiddling camera body wheels, it was still in grand condition. "Robocamera"? No, a complete machine that with few exceptions, can shoot with the best of them today...hell, it's almost as good as its little brothers, Super Program and ME. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 2/14/01 9:53:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Alan Chan wrote: > > > I think that just because we are Pentax fans, we do not necessarily to > > accept everything that Pentax offers. We are talking Pentax products here, > > not worshiping a religion. > > Heresy! >> > > I agree; stone him! I hope there are no women posting to this list ... -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 8:21 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > > > In a message dated 2/14/01 6:32:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << That's a heap of manual focus lenses. >> > > But not nearly as many as there are K-mount manuals. > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think they cover the range of focal lengths as well as Pentax. But many of them are more expensive, as well. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: > While I can't speak for Doug, I can speak from my own experience > about some camera shops in the San Francisco area. All one has > to do is ask to see a particular camera and tell the sales > person you'd like to run a roll of film through it. They'll > even sell you the film, if you'd like, and let you go outside > and take a few pics, and you can make your decision from there. > All you have to do is ask. Back at Sterling we found this to be the easiest dealmaker. We always had cheap rolls of 8 exp. VPS and 12 exp Agfa Portrait for exactly this use. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 9:53:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Alan Chan wrote: > I think that just because we are Pentax fans, we do not necessarily to > accept everything that Pentax offers. We are talking Pentax products here, > not worshiping a religion. Heresy! >> I agree; stone him! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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But then some of us thought the MX was the best camera ever made. Quite a tough act to follow. Anyone out there think a Z-1p is the best camera ever made? --Tom Pål Jensen wrote: > > Dan wrote: > > > To bad the PDML group wasn't around (& the net, naturally) back when the LX > > was first anticipated and then released. How many posts would there be > > criticising Pentax and the iconic LX for not including features XY & Z? > > I remeber the reactions: ridiculously expensive; too much gimmicks like >interchangeable viewfinders, auto operation, battery consumption; it was also too >bulky compared to an MX. Nothing has changed really.Of course some of us were >thrilled by it... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Len Paris wrote: > Boz, unless I've gone completely nuts here, the F80 can use all > of the Nikon manual focus lenses that are designated as AI or > AI-S, Ah, but you lose metering with them. The old F70 used to meter with MF lenses, and the F90x still does, but the F80 does not. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Alan Chan wrote: > I think that just because we are Pentax fans, we do not necessarily to > accept everything that Pentax offers. We are talking Pentax products here, > not worshiping a religion. Heresy! :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 7:06:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quoting Greywoulf: << How are you going to use it to "make some pictures" first then before deciding where it fits in your world? (If you don't buy it first? Or does Pentax now have loaners for certain people to actually try out cameras before they buy them...?) Also, I wasn't trying to make any decisions for you. Was just curious about why you were making yours? Greywoulf >> I'll wager that Camera stores, B&H specifically, have *paid* in full orders for the MZ-S, people reserving the camera sight unseen, some of the orders coming from PDML list members. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 6:32:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << That's a heap of manual focus lenses. >> But not nearly as many as there are K-mount manuals. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 3:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I am sure many Nikon fans would say just the same. >> But they'd be lying! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In a message dated 2/14/01 3:32:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I feel quite the same too. To the general public, the reasoning is really simple - why buy a Pentax when you can buy a Nikon for the same amount of money? >> So you can use all that delicious SMC glass, that's why! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 1:46:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << How are you going to use it to "make some pictures" first then before deciding where it fits in your world? (If you don't buy it first? Or does Pentax now have loaners for certain people to actually try out cameras before they buy them...?) Also, I wasn't trying to make any decisions for you. Was just curious about why you were making yours? Greywoulf >> Can't answer that directly, but I bought and shoot my 67ll because I wanted, after 37 years of 35mm, a 67ll, no other reason. Not right. When I was a boy, I wanted, most of all, a Schwinn "knee action" bike. My Dad, after endless needling, kowtowed to my pleas. It was dark green, with big fat whitewall tires, white striping and a built-in light and horn. I've not been easily appeased since. *I once bought a .38-44 S&W Outdoorsman revolver because...I wanted THAT pistol, not for any other reason. There are some on this list who have already allocated funds for the MZ-S, no matter what it costs, or whatever its shortcomings, if any. Why? By damn because they WANT an MZ-S. "The only thing that separates men and boys is the price of their toys." Anon Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Doug didn't say he was going to use it to "make some pictures" (your quote marks, not mine; your words, not his). You merely attributed it to him. But I don't know why you're attacking his personal musings about this camera and his decision making process. Tell us what you think, dosk. Don't try to analyze someone else's perspective. (It's in particularly bad taste to attack our esteemed leader and keeper of the list.) Paul dosk wrote: > > How are you going to use it to "make some pictures" first then before > deciding where it fits in your world? (If you don't buy it first? Or does > Pentax now have loaners for certain people to actually try out cameras > before they buy them...?) > Also, I wasn't trying to make any decisions for you. Was just curious about > why you were making yours? > Greywoulf > > - Original Message - > From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > > > Did I say I was going to buy it first? I'm compelled (or, as you put it, > COMPELLED) to try it out before making any judgements. I'm compelled to try > it out to see how it feels, to see if the AF works as well as I suspect it > does, to see if it's as ergonomic in design as other Pentax offerings I own, > to see if the build quality is as described. > > > > And I'm compelled to to try it out in the same way I am compelled to pick > up and look through, focus, =feel= many cameras I run across. We have an old > Nikon F2 in the museum that the planetarium guys use in their work. I had it > out the other day to check it out. I've been compelled to examine F5's , > Minoltas, EOS models, old Kodak folders, Rolleiflex TLR's, a WWII era > aircraft 4X5, and dozens of other bodies, because I am curious about cameras > and interested in them. > > > > Now that Pentax has announced a new camera that sounds like something I > might want to add to my set of photographic tools, I am compelled to examine > it and decide if the features and feel it offers will fit into my daily > life, a good portion of which revolves around the use of a camera. > > > > And =I= will decide what I need and don't need, thanks. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > At 11:58 PM -05002/13/01, dosk caused thus to appear: > > >Re the stuff below from Doug and Len. > > > > > >Why? > > > > > >Why do you feel compelled to buy it? > > >First. > > >And then try to find > > >a place to fit > > > it into your world? > > >Sounds to me > > >like you don't really need > > >it, do you? > > > > > >Have you checked that out? > > >First. > > > > > >And why has someone > > >told you > > >that this is "good" attitude? > > > Is this someone the firm > > >by any chance? > > > They would think this is > > >a reeeallly good > > >attitude. > > > I'm sure. > > >But I for one > > >do not understand it... > > >Why? > > > Do you feel COMPELLED?? > > > > > > -Greywoulf > > -- > > Douglas Forrest Brewer > > Ashwood Lake Photography > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.alphoto.com > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
"Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>The jury's still out on the MZ-S. I haven't see, >>held, or used one. I don't know the price. I _hope_ >>it's a F/N80-Elan 7 fighter. New technology at a >>price I can afford. > >In the end, what matter most is the actual selling price. I quite agree. No matter what I might wish the MZ-S had that it does not, if it sells for under $600.00 here I'll buy one. If not I'll get a second PZ-1p. The increased durability/longevity of the new camera might be of bebefit for some but I don't think I shoot enough film for it to be an issue for me (especially with the inevitable demise of 35mm due to digital in the next 5-10 years). All I need is a *good* camera around $500-600 with better autofocus than Pentax currently offers. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Recently Alan Chan wrote: > > Boz wrote: > > >I can agree with this reasoning, but I have not switched to Nikon or Canon. > >The reasons are that in the price class that I am looking at (up to $500), > >the bodies from Pentax are smaller, lighter, more ergonomic and better > >built. And of course, the biggie, with Pentax I do not have to upgrade my > >wonderful manual focus glass to AF glass with cheesy plasticky feel. > > But then you do not qualify as part of the general public because you have > been a Pentax user for quite some time. Well, yes and no. I gues you mean the following: "I am an existing Pentax user, so I have manual focus lenses, so I do not want to go to another brand and buy their AF lenses." I meant is like this: "I am a new user, and I have no lenses up to now. But if I get the Nikon F80, i need to get AF lenses, and most probably all new. But if I buy a (new) Pentax, I can buy new AF lenses but I can also profit from the second-hand Pentax market and get high-quality manual focus lenses that feel very nice for manual focus work." If the F80 could use manual focus F-mount lenses, I would be seriously tempted. The fact that the F100 can do that is not interesting for me because the F100 is too big and too expensive for me. Cheers, Boz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Dan wrote: > To bad the PDML group wasn't around (& the net, naturally) back when the LX > was first anticipated and then released. How many posts would there be > criticising Pentax and the iconic LX for not including features XY & Z? I remeber the reactions: ridiculously expensive; too much gimmicks like interchangeable viewfinders, auto operation, battery consumption; it was also too bulky compared to an MX. Nothing has changed really.Of course some of us were thrilled by it... Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/14/01 1:32:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The photographer as Borg >> Wish I'd said that! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
> At this moment the Nikon F80 is selling for about > 1000 DM ($480) in the > stores, and I find the technology very tempting. But > then I think about > having to use only AF lenses, and I put the camera > back on the shelf. Boz, unless I've gone completely nuts here, the F80 can use all of the Nikon manual focus lenses that are designated as AI or AI-S, That's a heap of manual focus lenses. Remember, Nikon still produces manual focus cameras, even newer than the F80. The new FM3A is a manual focus camera. And, you can still turn off autofocus when using autofocus lenses, if you want to. > So Pentax does offer a real value, at least for me. > This however, does not > prevent me from wanting an F80 with a better > viewfinder and a K-mount. > > Cheers, > Boz Well, there's no faulting your thinking on that one. :) Len --- > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. > To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. > Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
As I said the MZ-S will cost 14000Nkr in Norway. In comparison the F100/Dynaxx9/EOS3 cost 16000Nkr in Norway. So its seems that the initial rumors that the MZ-S will cost slightly less than the F100 is true. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
>I can agree with this reasoning, but I have not switched to Nikon or Canon. >The reasons are that in the price class that I am looking at (up to $500), >the bodies from Pentax are smaller, lighter, more ergonomic and better >built. And of course, the biggie, with Pentax I do not have to upgrade my >wonderful manual focus glass to AF glass with cheesy plasticky feel. But then you do not qualify as part of the general public because you have been a Pentax user for quite some time. >At this moment the Nikon F80 is selling for about 1000 DM ($480) in the >stores, and I find the technology very tempting. But then I think about >having to use only AF lenses, and I put the camera back on the shelf. > >I then look at a Canon body with the USM 28-105/3.5-4.5 mounted, and I >decide that I like the lens a lot. But I search and search for a body that >I like, and I don't see one. The 300/3000/500 bodieas are too cheesy, and >the bigger ones are too big, ugly and complicated. The USM 28-105 is a really nice lens. It has been selling for many many years and still going strong. Canon seemed to divide their EOS bodies quite clearly - crappy or bulky. Their low end bodies are really surprisingly, crappy. But then bulky AF bodies were once welcome. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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>Hmm... with a price like this, I think I´ll stay with my MZ-5N (and LX and >ME), which is actually a very nice, easy to use camera. Still waiting for >the 24-90, though (and what price it will be). >All the best! >Raimo Should be the same price as the FA28-200. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
How are you going to use it to "make some pictures" first then before deciding where it fits in your world? (If you don't buy it first? Or does Pentax now have loaners for certain people to actually try out cameras before they buy them...?) Also, I wasn't trying to make any decisions for you. Was just curious about why you were making yours? Greywoulf - Original Message - From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > Did I say I was going to buy it first? I'm compelled (or, as you put it, COMPELLED) to try it out before making any judgements. I'm compelled to try it out to see how it feels, to see if the AF works as well as I suspect it does, to see if it's as ergonomic in design as other Pentax offerings I own, to see if the build quality is as described. > > And I'm compelled to to try it out in the same way I am compelled to pick up and look through, focus, =feel= many cameras I run across. We have an old Nikon F2 in the museum that the planetarium guys use in their work. I had it out the other day to check it out. I've been compelled to examine F5's , Minoltas, EOS models, old Kodak folders, Rolleiflex TLR's, a WWII era aircraft 4X5, and dozens of other bodies, because I am curious about cameras and interested in them. > > Now that Pentax has announced a new camera that sounds like something I might want to add to my set of photographic tools, I am compelled to examine it and decide if the features and feel it offers will fit into my daily life, a good portion of which revolves around the use of a camera. > > And =I= will decide what I need and don't need, thanks. > > Doug > > > > At 11:58 PM -05002/13/01, dosk caused thus to appear: > >Re the stuff below from Doug and Len. > > > >Why? > > > >Why do you feel compelled to buy it? > >First. > >And then try to find > >a place to fit > > it into your world? > >Sounds to me > >like you don't really need > >it, do you? > > > >Have you checked that out? > >First. > > > >And why has someone > >told you > >that this is "good" attitude? > > Is this someone the firm > >by any chance? > > They would think this is > >a reeeallly good > >attitude. > > I'm sure. > >But I for one > >do not understand it... > >Why? > > Do you feel COMPELLED?? > > > > -Greywoulf > -- > Douglas Forrest Brewer > Ashwood Lake Photography > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.alphoto.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: February 13, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > In a message dated 2/13/01 7:24:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << I'd like to ask the group what robocameras means. >> > > I'll try, since I use the term derisively: > cameras that do it all, and operators who never learn all the functions thus, > let the camera...do it all. > Dumb cameras; > glorified point and shoots; > cameras never shot on metered manual by their dumb operators; > see: Nikon F4, F5: > see Canon EOS 1, 1n, EOS HV. > Cameras that weight four or more pounds with just a high speed booster and > 50mm f/1.2 lens attached. > Muscle-bound cameras; see: F-5. > Robocamerazzi: people who append themselves to robocameras: see: mindless > fanatic. > > Mafud How about this: A camera that makes the user a machine operator, not a photographer. It is a term of derision. Both camera and user on robot mode. The photographer as Borg. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Did I say I was going to buy it first? I'm compelled (or, as you put it, COMPELLED) to try it out before making any judgements. I'm compelled to try it out to see how it feels, to see if the AF works as well as I suspect it does, to see if it's as ergonomic in design as other Pentax offerings I own, to see if the build quality is as described. And I'm compelled to to try it out in the same way I am compelled to pick up and look through, focus, =feel= many cameras I run across. We have an old Nikon F2 in the museum that the planetarium guys use in their work. I had it out the other day to check it out. I've been compelled to examine F5's , Minoltas, EOS models, old Kodak folders, Rolleiflex TLR's, a WWII era aircraft 4X5, and dozens of other bodies, because I am curious about cameras and interested in them. Now that Pentax has announced a new camera that sounds like something I might want to add to my set of photographic tools, I am compelled to examine it and decide if the features and feel it offers will fit into my daily life, a good portion of which revolves around the use of a camera. And =I= will decide what I need and don't need, thanks. Doug At 11:58 PM -05002/13/01, dosk caused thus to appear: >Re the stuff below from Doug and Len. > >Why? > >Why do you feel compelled to buy it? >First. >And then try to find >a place to fit > it into your world? >Sounds to me >like you don't really need >it, do you? > >Have you checked that out? >First. > >And why has someone >told you >that this is "good" attitude? > Is this someone the firm >by any chance? > They would think this is >a reeeallly good >attitude. > I'm sure. >But I for one >do not understand it... >Why? > Do you feel COMPELLED?? > > -Greywoulf -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
In a message dated 2/13/01 7:24:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I'd like to ask the group what robocameras means. >> I'll try, since I use the term derisively: cameras that do it all, and operators who never learn all the functions thus, let the camera...do it all. Dumb cameras; glorified point and shoots; cameras never shot on metered manual by their dumb operators; see: Nikon F4, F5: see Canon EOS 1, 1n, EOS HV. Cameras that weight four or more pounds with just a high speed booster and 50mm f/1.2 lens attached. Muscle-bound cameras; see: F-5. Robocamerazzi: people who append themselves to robocameras: see: mindless fanatic. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Re the stuff below from Doug and Len. Why? Why do you feel compelled to buy it? First. And then try to find a place to fit it into your world? Sounds to me like you don't really need it, do you? Have you checked that out? First. And why has someone told you that this is "good" attitude? Is this someone the firm by any chance? They would think this is a reeeallly good attitude. I'm sure. But I for one do not understand it... Why? Do you feel COMPELLED?? -Greywoulf > > The "I" part of "we" does not feel compelled to be > > disappointed with Pentax at all. What I feel compelled to do > > is hold the MZ-S in my hands, use it to make some photos, and > > then decide where it will fit in my photographic world. > > > > Doug > > Now that's a good attitude! > > Len > --- > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
This is exactly where I am. I have a few not much to brag about lenses, a K1000, P3n and ZX-5n. I'm interested in a more feature rich body and have long questioned whether I would have been happier with the PZ-1p. I've been waiting two years to see the new Pentax offering and I'm probably willing to spend the money on a new MZ-S or, dare I say, F100. Even if I get an MZ-S the lenses are going to end up on ebay. I want quality glass. The P3n is a gonner too. I never really liked it except for the rubberized body. This leaves me with the K1000 that hooked me on photography in the first place. I'll probably keep it just for the sentimental value and the soothing sound of the shutter. So, realistically, what should I do with my near $1000 for a body? F100 or MZ-S. Which has the best future? It's a pretty tough call. Everytime I get excited about a third party lens that comes out, it isn't available in KA mount. I could go on and on but I have to wonder if you don't have a stockpile of lenses to hold you back and you weigh Pentax against the competition, where do you go? Now that the MZ-S is here, I have to decide. - [] Snipped in entirety on purpose . . . [] Original Message- From: Alexandre A. P. Suaide [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! Hello, In my opinion, the point is If a new consumer goes to B&H, for example, to look for a camera (he wants to upgrade from P&S to SLR) and the retailer shows a MZ-S, a F100, N80S and EOS1V, probably the consumer will buy everything else but the MZ-S. This will happen for a few reasons 1. Price. - A consumer every time wants to buy more for the same price. If would like to spend US$1000 +- 200 and I am starting using SLR will will buy a Nikon I bought my first pentax because it was much cheaper... I bought the PZ1-P because it was much cheaper than the F100. I like them very much but if it was the same price Last week a friend of mine bought a N80S and I took some pictures Unless the 1/4000 max speed and data imprimnting it has the same specifications than MZ-S plus some "hyper" modes for half of the price (US$450) 2. Marketing - Nikon and Canon have better marketing departments than Pentax. And I think Pentax will not change it with the MZ-S. I will not be surprised if Nikon and Canon gives top camera to famous PJ's for free only for marketing... This works very well. 3. Support - Nikon and Canon have more support than Pentax from PJ and serious amateurs (this happens because of marketing). 4. Delay - Pentax is going to release a full 35 mm frame digital camera with 6 Mpixel Nikon have a 6 Mpixel digital camera and in the time pentax releases its probably nikon will release a full 35 mm 10 or 12 Mpixel digital body for almost the same price Alex application/ms-tnef
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Yeah but the binocs cost as much as a body and when I get a 67II that counts as 2 because of size right? So theoretically that puts me up around 7. It's not how many you have, it's what you do with them. :-) -Original Message- From: Gianfranco Irlanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! >aimcompute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I know - that's why I have 4 Pentax SLR bodies including a PZ-1p. > >ONLY 4 PENTAX BODIES??? >AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > >Gianfranco > > > > >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Robocameras, Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
But image quality is on a per lens basis right? Every manufacturer makes some 1) below average, 2) average, and 3) above average lenses. So other than already owning the SMC lens, there may be no inherent benefit. I'd like to ask the group what robocameras means. If it refers to electronic sophistication, then aren't many Pentaxes robocameras as well? Tom C. -Original Message- From: Rofini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! >Hundreds of posts and opinions but Mafud brings out the >essential point: > >>Think of it: we can shoot SMC lenses, which >>puts N and C robocameras >>in the dumper as far as I'm concerned. > >I'll second that. >Mark Rofini > > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
For me, I am glad to see a new model come out. I, too, would want to play with it a little before I pass judgement on whether it would replace or augment my PZ-1p's. I believe it to be in my future buying plans. One thing that has not been discussed much on this list is the AF features. The wide arrangement seems nicer than most other bodies I have tried. The big question for me is it's ability to focus track. That, coupled with multiple sensors would be an improvement over the PZ-1p that I would use. I, like Mafud, am just glad for another body choice to use with my SMC glass. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > In a message dated 2/13/01 2:15:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << If you're *that* dissatisfied with Pentax, don't let the door hit you in > the ass on the way out to your local Nikon or Canon, or whatever, dealer. >> > > I don't hear dissatisfaction, I hear PDML members who can't or won't switch, > yet somehow seeing the grass is still greener on the other side of the fence. > Which truly mystifies me. > Think of it: we can shoot SMC lenses, which puts N and C robocameras > in the dumper as far as I'm concerned. > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
aimcompute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I know - that's why I have 4 Pentax SLR bodies including a PZ-1p. ONLY 4 PENTAX BODIES??? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Gianfranco Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
John wrote: > Isn't Pentax missing one of the hottest parts of the > SLR market? Nope. 80-90% of the volume is in the MZ-5 and below class. The MZ-series is pure money making for Pentax. In the $1000 an upwards class the posibility for profit is. So basically Pentax seems to be were the money is. High volume or high-end; thats the name of the game. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Wieland Willker suggests: > > Here in Norway the MZ-S will cost appoximately $1700. > > This is about the same price as a 645 N body. Folks, the chance! Switch > over to 645! But probably Pentax intended just this? ;-) What?!?!?! And give up 36 exposures per roll? 1 hour mini-lab development? Add the incremental cost of a medium format scanner, and the 645 lenses - oh the price of the lenses! Never in my house. :) Cheers, Gerald - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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> I think this way. I like very much the Grand Cherokee > from Chrysler (jeep). I would like to change mine for a new one, > but, if Chrysler closes their doors I can't buy another > We must be disappointed with pentax They are not > building cameras that can compete with nikon and canon. > We must be disappointed to impose a change because, if Pentax didn't > change, in few years there will be no more pentax bodies to buy. > > > Alex Well, Pentax film cameras will die eventually, anyway. Digital will take over. It's just a matter of when, not whether. How Pentax competes in the market will not be effected one way or another by a few (or a few hundred) users shouting out their disappointment. If anything, shouting out your disappointment will probably put off more prospective Pentax users than anything else. The only vote you have that counts is where you spend your money. If the Grand Cherokee goes away, be sure that there will be a suitable substitute for as long as there is demand for it. Chrysler isn't going to produce cars that they can't sell. Not for long, anyway. Pentax, like any successful company, is placing their emphasis on the equipment that sells to the greatest number of people. Does that mean that Pentax won't produce a super flagship camera? No, it doesn't, because I am sure that in the company leadership there are a few folks that want this flagship as much as we do, and their vote counts. The final say, of course rests with the CEO and he's watching the bottom line. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In a message dated 2/13/01 3:59:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Let's face it, the other camera mfr's obviously produce and market competitive product. >> So does PENTAX, just not in SLRs. But then, when Canon or Nikon or Minolta begin to produce medium format, the utterly awesome battery of PENTAX P&Shoots, Binoculars and the *real* equivalent of SMC lenses, I'll be worried. Oh, I see, we're going to confine our comments to SLRs? OK. I'll see you one LX and raise you five "M" bodies and a MZ-S, which no one (OK one PDML member) has even touched. And if you don't like the specs on the Elan ll or PZ-1p, you won't like the MZ-S. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Alexandre wrote: > In my opinion, the point is If a new consumer goes to B&H, for example, > to look for a camera (he wants to upgrade from P&S to SLR) and the retailer > shows a MZ-S, a F100, N80S and EOS1V, probably the consumer will buy everything > else but the MZ-S. This will happen for a few reasons > > 1. Price. - Some good points here but a) Pentax will target primarily Pentax users - the MZ-S fits the bill b) There are people who actually prefer small cameras and lenses - the MZ-S fits the bill. ...and is another F100/EOS clone what the world needs? The MZ-S is at least an alternative. It isn't supposed to be a Nikon or a Canon or for everyone. The camera smells direction and thats good... [snip] > 2. Marketing - Sure, Pentax have a problem here but it woud not have helped launching a Canon wannabe. [snip] > 3. Support - Support is damned good over here... PÅl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In a message dated 2/13/01 2:15:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If you're *that* dissatisfied with Pentax, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out to your local Nikon or Canon, or whatever, dealer. >> I don't hear dissatisfaction, I hear PDML members who can't or won't switch, yet somehow seeing the grass is still greener on the other side of the fence. Which truly mystifies me. Think of it: we can shoot SMC lenses, which puts N and C robocameras in the dumper as far as I'm concerned. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I believe you! Tom C. -Original Message- > >Wanna get respect hey? You won't get that from a mere 35mm robocamera. >Instead, put up a big BOGEN tripod for your PENTAX 67ll, then hang a big, >brawny looking LEE compendium hood on that sucker. Stand back and watch >people approach the setup on tip-toes, hands in pocket, leaning and twisting >their heads to get a better look. Watch them look up the big LEE hood at all >that SMC glass gleaming darkly back at them. >Watch them tip-toe respectfully away to a safe distance. >Want respect heh? Move the PENTAX 67ll w/LEE onto their patio, directing your >assistant to break out a light modifier panel or two. >*Be sure to have an expensive light meter hanging on your neck, a PENTAX 1 >degree spotmeter hanging on your wrist. >Wanna get even *more* respect? > After you've set up the two venues above, pull out an LX, telling your >clients: "I'd like to do some candids; you don't mind, do you?" >Walk around them, the less menacing LX snicking here, snicking there, your >big 50mm f/1.2 lens glaring back at them, imperiously. > > > >Mafud >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Amen, Doug. It strikes me as rather bizarre that so many would whine about this camera on the basis of published specs. It obviously has some strong pluses, and if build quality and feel are anything close to that LX benchmark that Pentax cites, this may well be my first autofocus camera. By the way, Chrysler still makes the Grand Cherokee. The Cherokee was discontinued because it was replaced by a new model. Paul http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Hate to break this to you, but Chrysler announced a couple of months ago it was stopping Cherokee production. The "I" part of "we" does not feel compelled to be disappointed with Pentax at all. What I feel compelled to do is hold the MZ-S in my hands, use it to make some photos, and then decide where it will fit in my photographic world. Doug At 2:55 PM -05002/13/01, Alexandre A. P. Suaide caused thus to appear: >I think this way. I like very much the Grand Cherokee >from Chrysler (jeep). I would like to change mine for a new one, >but, if Chrysler closes their doors I can't buy another >We must be disappointed with pentax They are not >building cameras that can compete with nikon and canon. >We must be disappointed to impose a change because, if Pentax didn't >change, in few years there will be no more pentax bodies to buy. > > >Alex -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I think this way. I like very much the Grand Cherokee from Chrysler (jeep). I would like to change mine for a new one, but, if Chrysler closes their doors I can't buy another We must be disappointed with pentax They are not building cameras that can compete with nikon and canon. We must be disappointed to impose a change because, if Pentax didn't change, in few years there will be no more pentax bodies to buy. Alex "Paris, Leonard" wrote: > > > Preparing to be bitterly disappointed with Pentax, > > John > > > > > > = > > John Edwin Mason > > Charlottesville, Virginia > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Alt Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I can't believe it! This is the PDML, after all! We are a group of Pentax > users that are quite fond of our Pentax equipment. If you're *that* > dissatisfied with Pentax, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way > out to your local Nikon or Canon, or whatever, dealer. > > Len > --- > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- --- Alexandre A. P. Suaide, Ph.D. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department University of Sao Paulo - BrazilPhone: 1-313-577-5419 Wayne State University - MI -USAICQ number: 78139605 --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Has the Elan real metal parts? Aren´t they just metal coloured plastic? What is this Elan called in Europe? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: John Edwin Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 13. helmikuuta 2001 19:55 Aihe: Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > >I'm sitting here reading the MZ-S and Elan 7 specs, >and it looks to me like a wash. For instance, MZ-S >wins on shutter speed (6000 vs. 4000), Elan wins on >film advance (4 fps vs. 2.5 fps). Honestly, the >cameras look to me--partial metal frames and >all--like they should inhabit the same part of the >market. > >Isn't Pentax missing one of the hottest parts of the >SLR market? I bet I'm one of many Pentax owners who >longs for new generation technology in the F/N80 and >Elan 7 range, but who won't even consider spending USD >900-1000 on a camera. (Yes, I know Nikon moves a lot >of F100s, but they sell even more F/N80s.) > >Preparing to be bitterly disappointed with Pentax, >John > >= >John Edwin Mason >Charlottesville, Virginia >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Alt Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In a message dated 2/13/01 1:43:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If I ever get really serious about attempting to market anything, I would probably "play the game" and get a Nikon body for 35mm work. Simply for apperance-sake. It gets respect. >> Wanna get respect hey? You won't get that from a mere 35mm robocamera. Instead, put up a big BOGEN tripod for your PENTAX 67ll, then hang a big, brawny looking LEE compendium hood on that sucker. Stand back and watch people approach the setup on tip-toes, hands in pocket, leaning and twisting their heads to get a better look. Watch them look up the big LEE hood at all that SMC glass gleaming darkly back at them. Watch them tip-toe respectfully away to a safe distance. Want respect heh? Move the PENTAX 67ll w/LEE onto their patio, directing your assistant to break out a light modifier panel or two. *Be sure to have an expensive light meter hanging on your neck, a PENTAX 1 degree spotmeter hanging on your wrist. Wanna get even *more* respect? After you've set up the two venues above, pull out an LX, telling your clients: "I'd like to do some candids; you don't mind, do you?" Walk around them, the less menacing LX snicking here, snicking there, your big 50mm f/1.2 lens glaring back at them, imperiously. If (big IF) your work is good, they'll pass you around their circle, call you from their winter digs in New Mexico, or ask you to follow them down to Palm Beach...for the Polo matches of course. Take their names, cellphone numbers and get the retainer check: (one day at your "Day rate" plus expenses) plus travel if they ask you down on their own. (After a harsh winter, they'll want you to capture them sitting astride their ponies, their newly acquired tans just beginning to put color in their otherwise sallow skin). Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
> Preparing to be bitterly disappointed with Pentax, > John > > > = > John Edwin Mason > Charlottesville, Virginia > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Alt Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't believe it! This is the PDML, after all! We are a group of Pentax users that are quite fond of our Pentax equipment. If you're *that* dissatisfied with Pentax, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out to your local Nikon or Canon, or whatever, dealer. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In a message dated 2/13/01 1:11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I will not be surprised if Nikon and Canon gives top camera to famous PJ's for free only for marketing... This works very well. >> Nope. They *do* heavily discount their "pro" bodies to some publications-media organizations, discounting the big lenses as much as 80%, the agencies paying the difference. Individuals can buy "used" Pro" bodies for as little as 20 cents on the dollar. *One lens almost *never* discounted, whether new or old? The EOS 200mm f/1.8 tele. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Well, then why be an "also ran"? Run, do not walk, to your Nikon or Canon dealer so that you too can have the best of the best. :-) Len --- > -Original Message- > From: Alexandre A. P. Suaide [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > > > Hello, > > In my opinion, the point is If a new consumer goes to > B&H, for example, > to look for a camera (he wants to upgrade from P&S to SLR) > and the retailer > shows a MZ-S, a F100, N80S and EOS1V, probably the consumer > will buy everything > else but the MZ-S. This will happen for a few reasons > > 1. Price. - A consumer every time wants to buy more for the > same price. If > would like to spend US$1000 +- 200 and I am starting using > SLR will will > buy a Nikon I bought my first pentax because it was much > cheaper... > I bought the PZ1-P because it was much cheaper than the F100. > I like them > very much but if it was the same price Last week a friend > of mine bought > a N80S and I took some pictures Unless the 1/4000 max > speed and data > imprimnting it has the same specifications than MZ-S plus > some "hyper" modes > for half of the price (US$450) > > 2. Marketing - Nikon and Canon have better marketing > departments than Pentax. > And I think Pentax will not change it with the MZ-S. I will not > be surprised if Nikon and Canon gives top camera to famous > PJ's for free > only for marketing... This works very well. > > 3. Support - Nikon and Canon have more support than Pentax from PJ and > serious amateurs (this happens because of marketing). > > 4. Delay - Pentax is going to release a full 35 mm frame > digital camera > with 6 Mpixel Nikon have a 6 Mpixel digital camera and in the > time pentax releases its probably nikon will release a full > 35 mm 10 or > 12 Mpixel digital body for almost the same price > > Alex > > > > Pål Jensen wrote: > > > > Mafud wrote: > > > > > << Expect US mailorder price to be around $900 - 1000 >> > > > > > > Oh-oh. That's EOS 1n (sans booster) terriitory. > > > > Do make some rooms for errors here; this is a guesstimate > based on the Norwegian price approximately converted into US > conditions based on my experience in Norwegian vs. US prices. > > > > Pål > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > -- > -- > - > Alexandre A. P. Suaide, Ph.D. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department University of Sao Paulo - BrazilPhone: 1-313-577-5419 Wayne State University - MI -USAICQ number: 78139605 --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Mafud wrote: > << Expect US mailorder price to be around $900 - 1000 >> > > Oh-oh. That's EOS 1n (sans booster) terriitory. Do make some rooms for errors here; this is a guesstimate based on the Norwegian price approximately converted into US conditions based on my experience in Norwegian vs. US prices. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I wrote: > Here in Norway the MZ-S will cost appoximately $1700. Ho-ho. They hope for mid >March. I'll get one. > It has LX built quality and sealing. This is a pro camera. Of course it should be mid March delivery. This price turns into about £1000 (the same as earlier estimates) and in the US a price around $1200+. Expect US mailorder price to be around $900 - 1000. In Norway it cost 14000Nkr which todays valuta rates turns into £1065 or ~1600 USD (not 1700 as I posted previously - the dollar was higher than I anticipated) Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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So approximately what would you expect that to equate to in U.S. dollars? And are you talking list price or sell price? Thanks, Ed - Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 7:02 AM Subject: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! > Here in Norway the MZ-S will cost appoximately $1700. Ho-ho. They hope for mid March. I'll get one. > It has LX built quality and sealing. This is a pro camera. > > > Pål > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Is that USD or Krone?? Evan Pål Jensen wrote: > > Here in Norway the MZ-S will cost appoximately $1700. Ho-ho. They hope for mid >March. I'll get one. > It has LX built quality and sealing. This is a pro camera. > > Pål > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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$1700us ? Ouch! >From: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!! >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:02:50 +0100 > >Here in Norway the MZ-S will cost appoximately $1700. Ho-ho. They hope for >mid March. I'll get one. >It has LX built quality and sealing. This is a pro camera. > > >Pål > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fasten seatbelts: MZ-S price!!
Here in Norway the MZ-S will cost appoximately $1700. Ho-ho. They hope for mid March. I'll get one. It has LX built quality and sealing. This is a pro camera. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
