Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[brooksdj]

Nice gallery Bruce.

I like the view with the water falls and the lunch shot.

Dave  

> I have gathered together a little gallery of 
my street attempts at
> our recent outing.
> 
> Enjoy...
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm
> 
> -- 
> Bruce
> 

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


I have gathered together a little gallery of my street attempts at
our recent outing.

Enjoy...

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm


Bruce, sorry I am late.

I tried to look at your gallery once but somehow the net was too slow. I 
even started to write a comment but I couldn't finish it because of that 
net *darn*.


Anyway.

I think it is rather nice gallery. I was in SF area back in 2000 and you 
managed to bring back some of the memories of the trip. As for the 
quality of individual images - like you said - it was rather unknown 
ground for you and you did really well. I think I might approach some of 
the shots you shown differently, but that wouldn't count.


Well done... Now I will have to invite Shel to Israel, drive him to the 
midst of Negev and force him to do some landscape photography ;-) <- joking.


Boris

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 18, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

... Not only is shooting this style new for me, but even  
recognizing good

and bad scenes during the shoot time and after. ...


That's why I suggested we share contact sheets. I find studying  
contact sheets a very revealing exercise.



... It should be noted that one of the
techniques that Godfrey told us about was prefocusing to about 7 feet
and then leaving the camera set to AV with about +.5 compensation.
Along with that, shooting about 24mm focal length to give some working
room.  That way, you could be ready for a fast changing scene,  
without having

to even bring the camera to your eye to compose.


:-)


This shot was done in that manner.  In fact, just as we stopped
walking for a moment, I just put the camera over my shoulder and
pressed the shutter - wasn't even fully aware of the scene behind me.

Any thoughts?  Certainly I am prepared to be blasted...

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/ 
norcalpdml_sf_007-1bw.htm


I saw you take that and didn't look behind us either. Not exactly  
what I had in mind ... more of a random exposure ... but it worked  
remarkably well anyway!


Godfrey

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[keith_w]

P. J. Alling wrote:


An interfaith couple then...




Bruce Dayton wrote:


Hello keith_w,

Yes indeed. A nice Nikkormat at that.


Yes, you might say that. I think it's healthy.  ;-)

keith

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[P. J. Alling]

An interfaith couple then...

Bruce Dayton wrote:


Hello keith_w,

Yes indeed. A nice Nikkormat at that.

 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello keith_w,

Yes indeed. A nice Nikkormat at that.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Wednesday, October 19, 2005, 3:02:32 PM, you wrote:

k> frank theriault wrote:
>> On 10/18/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>This shot was done in that manner.  In fact, just as we stopped
>>>walking for a moment, I just put the camera over my shoulder and
>>>pressed the shutter - wasn't even fully aware of the scene behind me.
>>>
>>>Any thoughts?  Certainly I am prepared to be blasted...
>>>
>>>http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/norcalpdml_sf_007-1bw.htm

>> i rather like it...
>> 
>> -frank

k> That a Pentax and a Nikkormat?

k> keith whaley

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[keith_w]

frank theriault wrote:

On 10/18/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I appreciate all the comments that have been made on this little
gallery.

I believe that some of Shel's comments stem from the fact that at each
of our PDML gatherings, we try to focus on a specific type of
photography.  This particular one was to focus on the genre of
'street', as it were.  As I said, many of us were out of our element
and trying to learn about this.  If nothing else, it gives each of us
some exposure to new things.

Not only is shooting this style new for me, but even recognizing good
and bad scenes during the shoot time and after.  I ended up having my
daughter, Erin, go through my stuff to give me some idea of what might
be worth showing.

In the spirit of further learning, I am submitting one more that Erin
said I should, but I didn't.  It should be noted that one of the
techniques that Godfrey told us about was prefocusing to about 7 feet
and then leaving the camera set to AV with about +.5 compensation.
Along with that, shooting about 24mm focal length to give some working
room.  That way, you could be ready for a fast changing scene, without having
to even bring the camera to your eye to compose.

This shot was done in that manner.  In fact, just as we stopped
walking for a moment, I just put the camera over my shoulder and
pressed the shutter - wasn't even fully aware of the scene behind me.

Any thoughts?  Certainly I am prepared to be blasted...

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/norcalpdml_sf_007-1bw.htm



i rather like it...

-frank


That a Pentax and a Nikkormat?

keith whaley

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[frank theriault]

On 10/18/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I appreciate all the comments that have been made on this little
> gallery.
>
> I believe that some of Shel's comments stem from the fact that at each
> of our PDML gatherings, we try to focus on a specific type of
> photography.  This particular one was to focus on the genre of
> 'street', as it were.  As I said, many of us were out of our element
> and trying to learn about this.  If nothing else, it gives each of us
> some exposure to new things.
>
> Not only is shooting this style new for me, but even recognizing good
> and bad scenes during the shoot time and after.  I ended up having my
> daughter, Erin, go through my stuff to give me some idea of what might
> be worth showing.
>
> In the spirit of further learning, I am submitting one more that Erin
> said I should, but I didn't.  It should be noted that one of the
> techniques that Godfrey told us about was prefocusing to about 7 feet
> and then leaving the camera set to AV with about +.5 compensation.
> Along with that, shooting about 24mm focal length to give some working
> room.  That way, you could be ready for a fast changing scene, without having
> to even bring the camera to your eye to compose.
>
> This shot was done in that manner.  In fact, just as we stopped
> walking for a moment, I just put the camera over my shoulder and
> pressed the shutter - wasn't even fully aware of the scene behind me.
>
> Any thoughts?  Certainly I am prepared to be blasted...
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/norcalpdml_sf_007-1bw.htm
>

i rather like it...

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Bruce Dayton]

I appreciate all the comments that have been made on this little
gallery.

I believe that some of Shel's comments stem from the fact that at each
of our PDML gatherings, we try to focus on a specific type of
photography.  This particular one was to focus on the genre of
'street', as it were.  As I said, many of us were out of our element
and trying to learn about this.  If nothing else, it gives each of us
some exposure to new things.

Not only is shooting this style new for me, but even recognizing good
and bad scenes during the shoot time and after.  I ended up having my
daughter, Erin, go through my stuff to give me some idea of what might
be worth showing.

In the spirit of further learning, I am submitting one more that Erin
said I should, but I didn't.  It should be noted that one of the
techniques that Godfrey told us about was prefocusing to about 7 feet
and then leaving the camera set to AV with about +.5 compensation.
Along with that, shooting about 24mm focal length to give some working
room.  That way, you could be ready for a fast changing scene, without having
to even bring the camera to your eye to compose.

This shot was done in that manner.  In fact, just as we stopped
walking for a moment, I just put the camera over my shoulder and
pressed the shutter - wasn't even fully aware of the scene behind me.

Any thoughts?  Certainly I am prepared to be blasted...

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/norcalpdml_sf_007-1bw.htm


-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 6:54:26 AM, you wrote:

GD> Heya Bruce!

>> I have gathered together a little gallery of my street attempts at
>> our recent outing.
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm

GD> Of these photos, the one that I find most compelling is the  
GD> photograph in the restaurant, and behind that the drummer/singer. I
GD> think your discomfort and unfamiliarity with large cities shows ...
GD> the rest are more cityscape than street work. While a couple are  
GD> decent photos, overall this set doesn't happen to be particularly
GD> compelling.

GD> Nothing wrong with that. What I learned again that day is how hard it
GD> is for me to concentrate on seeing when I'm enjoying the company and
GD> conversation of friends. I've been too busy to get my picks of the
GD> day's shots up as yet (mayhap tonight I can put some time into  
GD> that...) but I know from scanning the thumbnails that there are  
GD> precious few that I'm happy with in the set, and I posted one of them
GD> already.

GD> To get into the flow of this genre, you have to revisit the street
GD> over and over, become one with it, feel the moods and movements. I do
GD> this best alone, become a watcher and a participant. It's quite a
GD> curious change of mind when it starts to talk to you.

GD> best,
GD> Godfrey

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Heya Bruce!


I have gathered together a little gallery of my street attempts at
our recent outing.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm


Of these photos, the one that I find most compelling is the  
photograph in the restaurant, and behind that the drummer/singer. I  
think your discomfort and unfamiliarity with large cities shows ...  
the rest are more cityscape than street work. While a couple are  
decent photos, overall this set doesn't happen to be particularly  
compelling.


Nothing wrong with that. What I learned again that day is how hard it  
is for me to concentrate on seeing when I'm enjoying the company and  
conversation of friends. I've been too busy to get my picks of the  
day's shots up as yet (mayhap tonight I can put some time into  
that...) but I know from scanning the thumbnails that there are  
precious few that I'm happy with in the set, and I posted one of them  
already.


To get into the flow of this genre, you have to revisit the street  
over and over, become one with it, feel the moods and movements. I do  
this best alone, become a watcher and a participant. It's quite a  
curious change of mind when it starts to talk to you.


best,
Godfrey

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Bob Sullivan]

Bruce,
Despite Shel's remarks, I liked the Alley Fire Escape and Jared & Ashley best.
I wish the guys (or guy) in the alley were doing something more interesting,
but the graphics of the fire escape and building walls just do it for me.
Ashley's face in the light is a nice contrast with the dark background.
I just wish that shoulder wasn't in the lower left corner.
Regards,  Bob S.


On 10/18/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have gathered together a little gallery of my street attempts at
> our recent outing.
>
> Enjoy...
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm
>
> --
> Bruce
>
>

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[John Forbes]

Whatever the original intention, Bruce has displayed eight pictures of  
which only one (the musician) can really be classified as "street  
photography", IMO, (well, it shows the street, and people on it).


And, of course, you're entitled to your opinion of its merits.  I never  
suggested otherwise.  As a practioner of the genre, your views carry more  
weight than, say, mine.


The other four pictures (excluding the PDML people) are of a different  
genre.  You said: "The "street is a dynamic, vibrant, organic place,  
teeming with activity and life, filled with joy and sorrow and humor and  
relationships".  But the pictures don't even show the street, let alone  
the people that are the raison d'etre of street photography (I accept  
there are two people in the off-street memorial photo), so to expect  
"vibrancy" or "relationships" is surely unreasonable.


To say they are bad examples of street photography, as you imply, is like  
saying they are bad examples of under-water photography.


John



On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:06:10 +0100, Shel Belinkoff  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Interspersed


[Original Message]
From: John Forbes



Good grief, Shel, aren't you making a large assumption here?


No.



Bruce was shooting in the city.  Does that mean he HAS to be shoot in a
particular kind of way, and more precisely, in the manner characterised

as

"street photography"?


Bruce can photograph in any way he wants.  My understanding was that the
day's exercise was to explore "street photography."  Based on my  
experience
with the genre, Bruce missed the boat.  And, regardless, I didn't think  
the

photos he posted were particularly interesting or compelling.


When it is clear (by, amongst other things, the absence of people in
several of the shots) that Bruce is shooting in a different way, can you
not treat those pictures on their merits, as "cityscapes" perhaps?


See above ... the photos, imo, lacked life and vibrancy, regardless of  
what
genre one ascribes to them.  Take the photo of Juan, for example.  Juan  
is
sitting there with his eyes closed, totally unengaged with the  
photographer

or the surroundings, with someone in the background growing out of his
head.  It's a poor photo ... Anyway, I'm not interested in going into a
photo-by-photo critique.  Perhaps Bruce and I will do that when we next  
get

together.  And, if I were to attempt a type of photography that Bruce
excels at, such as weddings, or natural landscapes, I'd want Bruce to be  
as

candid with me about my attempts as I was with him.  Of course, I'm fully
at liberty to disregard his comments.


Now I don't know what passed between you and Bruce beforehand.  Perhaps

he
declared: "today I will shoot in the style of Belinkoff and C-B".  If  
so,



he didn't so much fail, as just not do it (except for the musician
picture, previously posted, which many people liked).


Nothing passed between us beforehand.  Just because many people liked the
musician pic doesn't mean that I have to, or that it's even a good pic.
Personally, I think Bruce missed the boat on it - he could have done more
with the subject - and I feel that the final crop really ruined the  
image.


When Bruce and I were shooting down in San Jose a few months ago, I was
trying to learn something about digital photography.  A lot of my pics
hoovered - Big Time - and Bruce was quite direct and candid about what I
did wrong.  I also know that a lot of people here thought some of those
very same pics were fine.  BFD ... I knew they stunk on ice and I knew  
that

Bruce was candid in his assessments and suggestions.  I respect him for
that, even though I felt a little bad that my work was so bad.  I believe
that Bruce and I can discuss our respective work candidly and openly, and
that sometimes we may disagree.



Of the eight, three are of group members; three are what I called
cityscapes, and I personally like each of them; one is the musician,

which

is surely both a "street" shot and a good one; and the last is the
memorial picture, which to me is more about shapes and textures, and it
works well IMO.


 Well, John, we're just going to have to disagree on these points.   
You're

entitled to your opinion.  Am I not entitled to mine just because it's
different from yours, or even, perhaps, the majority of people on this  
list

(which remains to be seen, but which will more than likely be the case).



I think your comments pertain more to you and your approach to

photography

than to Bruce's pictures.  Personally, I enjoyed the gallery, on its own
terms.


Well, where the heck do our opinions come from if not from our own
approaches and experiences with photography.  That's the beauty of this
list - there's usually a wide range of opinions from people all over the
world with different experiences, expectations, and photographic styles.
I'm glad you enjoyed the gallery - I enjoyed it too, but perhaps for a
different reason.

In closing, let me say one thing: If 

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Paul Stenquist]

Very nice. Love the pic through the waterfall. I like "Interesting 
Alley," but it appears to be leaning about 1 degree to the right. To my 
mind, it's the kind of shot that has to be either totally tilted or 
perfectly aligned. Thanks for sharing.

Paul
On Oct 18, 2005, at 1:10 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


I have gathered together a little gallery of my street attempts at
our recent outing.

Enjoy...

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm

--
Bruce

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Interspersed

> [Original Message]
> From: John Forbes

> Good grief, Shel, aren't you making a large assumption here?

No.

>
> Bruce was shooting in the city.  Does that mean he HAS to be shoot in a  
> particular kind of way, and more precisely, in the manner characterised
as  
> "street photography"?

Bruce can photograph in any way he wants.  My understanding was that the
day's exercise was to explore "street photography."  Based on my experience
with the genre, Bruce missed the boat.  And, regardless, I didn't think the
photos he posted were particularly interesting or compelling.


> When it is clear (by, amongst other things, the absence of people in  
> several of the shots) that Bruce is shooting in a different way, can you  
> not treat those pictures on their merits, as "cityscapes" perhaps?

See above ... the photos, imo, lacked life and vibrancy, regardless of what
genre one ascribes to them.  Take the photo of Juan, for example.  Juan is
sitting there with his eyes closed, totally unengaged with the photographer
or the surroundings, with someone in the background growing out of his
head.  It's a poor photo ... Anyway, I'm not interested in going into a 
photo-by-photo critique.  Perhaps Bruce and I will do that when we next get
together.  And, if I were to attempt a type of photography that Bruce
excels at, such as weddings, or natural landscapes, I'd want Bruce to be as
candid with me about my attempts as I was with him.  Of course, I'm fully
at liberty to disregard his comments.

> Now I don't know what passed between you and Bruce beforehand.  Perhaps
he  
> declared: "today I will shoot in the style of Belinkoff and C-B".  If so,

> he didn't so much fail, as just not do it (except for the musician  
> picture, previously posted, which many people liked).

Nothing passed between us beforehand.  Just because many people liked the
musician pic doesn't mean that I have to, or that it's even a good pic. 
Personally, I think Bruce missed the boat on it - he could have done more
with the subject - and I feel that the final crop really ruined the image.

When Bruce and I were shooting down in San Jose a few months ago, I was
trying to learn something about digital photography.  A lot of my pics
hoovered - Big Time - and Bruce was quite direct and candid about what I
did wrong.  I also know that a lot of people here thought some of those
very same pics were fine.  BFD ... I knew they stunk on ice and I knew that
Bruce was candid in his assessments and suggestions.  I respect him for
that, even though I felt a little bad that my work was so bad.  I believe
that Bruce and I can discuss our respective work candidly and openly, and
that sometimes we may disagree.  

>
> Of the eight, three are of group members; three are what I called  
> cityscapes, and I personally like each of them; one is the musician,
which  
> is surely both a "street" shot and a good one; and the last is the  
> memorial picture, which to me is more about shapes and textures, and it  
> works well IMO.

 Well, John, we're just going to have to disagree on these points.  You're
entitled to your opinion.  Am I not entitled to mine just because it's
different from yours, or even, perhaps, the majority of people on this list
(which remains to be seen, but which will more than likely be the case).


> I think your comments pertain more to you and your approach to
photography  
> than to Bruce's pictures.  Personally, I enjoyed the gallery, on its own  
> terms.

Well, where the heck do our opinions come from if not from our own
approaches and experiences with photography.  That's the beauty of this
list - there's usually a wide range of opinions from people all over the
world with different experiences, expectations, and photographic styles. 
I'm glad you enjoyed the gallery - I enjoyed it too, but perhaps for a
different reason.

In closing, let me say one thing: If too many people like my photography,
I'm not trying hard enough, I'm not pushing myself enough.  Bruce tried
something that was new to him, and I know it was difficult for him.  He's
learning something new.   And he knows I know that ... and hopefully he and
I will have a chance to get together again soon, and continue learning from
one another.  When in San Francisco  Juan and Godfrey were there to offer
advice and suggestions.  This was my turn to comment.  I suspect Bruce will
then decide which approaches will work best for him.

Shel

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:41:18 +0100, Shel Belinkoff  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bruce 
> >
> > I'd like very much to give you a few "atta-boys" for this little
gallery,
> > but I can't.
> >
> > The "street" is a dynamic, vibrant, organic place, teeming with activity
> > and life, filled with joy and sorrow and humor and relationships.  There
> > are connections between people, between people and objects, between
> > circumstances - some swift and ephemeral, others slower, longer lasting,
> > and, perhaps deeper.  I t

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[John Forbes]

Good grief, Shel, aren't you making a large assumption here?

Bruce was shooting in the city.  Does that mean he HAS to be shoot in a  
particular kind of way, and more precisely, in the manner characterised as  
"street photography"?


When it is clear (by, amongst other things, the absence of people in  
several of the shots) that Bruce is shooting in a different way, can you  
not treat those pictures on their merits, as "cityscapes" perhaps?


Now I don't know what passed between you and Bruce beforehand.  Perhaps he  
declared: "today I will shoot in the style of Belinkoff and C-B".  If so,  
he didn't so much fail, as just not do it (except for the musician  
picture, previously posted, which many people liked).


Of the eight, three are of group members; three are what I called  
cityscapes, and I personally like each of them; one is the musician, which  
is surely both a "street" shot and a good one; and the last is the  
memorial picture, which to me is more about shapes and textures, and it  
works well IMO.


I think your comments pertain more to you and your approach to photography  
than to Bruce's pictures.  Personally, I enjoyed the gallery, on its own  
terms.


John




On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:41:18 +0100, Shel Belinkoff  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hi Bruce 

I'd like very much to give you a few "atta-boys" for this little gallery,
but I can't.

The "street" is a dynamic, vibrant, organic place, teeming with activity
and life, filled with joy and sorrow and humor and relationships.  There
are connections between people, between people and objects, between
circumstances - some swift and ephemeral, others slower, longer lasting,
and, perhaps deeper.  I think "street photography" is about showing those
connections, those relationships, and telling stories. Showing something  
of

the joy and sorrow and excitement and tension that exists out there.

While I have been characterized as a "street photographer" (regardless of
how true that may be) I have never understood what such photography was  
all

about - at least for me - until this evening when I looked at your small
gallery.

Bruce, it pains me to say this, in part because I like you so well
personally, in part because a lot of your work is great and touches me
deeply, but I must be honest.  These photos pretty well miss the boat as
far as I'm concerned.  There's no life in them (with the possible  
exception

of the MLK memorial shot), no vibrancy.  I don't feel connections or
relationships.  Composition in some cases is poor, but it's often hard to
find good composition "on the street" as there's so much going on.   
You've

got to shoot fast, and learn to see almost intuitively, being able to see
everything in the frame in a fraction of a second, or being able to  
assess

a situation and know when to make, or not make, an exposure.

I want to thank you for putting these pix up.  From a purely personal and
selfish standpoint they have helped me define and understand some of my  
own

work a lot better.  Perhaps we can get together in San Francisco or
Oakland, and spend a day together making some photos on the streets.

Kind regards,

Shel



[Original Message]
From: Bruce Dayton



I have gathered together a little gallery of my street attempts at
our recent outing.

Enjoy...

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm











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Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Shel,

When we planned this get together, we had decided to shoot a genre
that was different for many of us.  I, among others, were totally out
of our element as we made our first attempts at this.

I'm happy that you would be so clear in your discussion about what it
really means to capture the 'street' scene.  I'm sure that it takes
practice and practice to become good at sensing and seeing what is
there.  I suspect that added to the photographic experience is the
life experience.  The best photographers in particular areas tend to
know and understand their subjects.  Having never lived in a big city
for any period of time, I am less than comfortable being in a city
like SF.  So I have two areas to work on to improve myself.

I would enjoy an opportunity to get together and learning more about
this particular venue.  I'll have to look into my schedule to see when
I can carve some time out.

Again, I appreciate your comments as I suspect the images reflect my
comfort level with street photography.  I can tell you that it is very
different than crowd control at a wedding or family/individual
portraiture or scenic/landscape photography.  Each must be learned and
mastered.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 12:41:18 AM, you wrote:

SB> Hi Bruce 

SB> I'd like very much to give you a few "atta-boys" for this little gallery,
SB> but I can't.

SB> The "street" is a dynamic, vibrant, organic place, teeming with activity
SB> and life, filled with joy and sorrow and humor and relationships.  There
SB> are connections between people, between people and objects, between
SB> circumstances - some swift and ephemeral, others slower, longer lasting,
SB> and, perhaps deeper.  I think "street photography" is about showing those
SB> connections, those relationships, and telling stories. Showing something of
SB> the joy and sorrow and excitement and tension that exists out there.

SB> While I have been characterized as a "street photographer" (regardless of
SB> how true that may be) I have never understood what such photography was all
SB> about - at least for me - until this evening when I looked at your small
SB> gallery.

SB> Bruce, it pains me to say this, in part because I like you so well
SB> personally, in part because a lot of your work is great and touches me
SB> deeply, but I must be honest.  These photos pretty well miss the boat as
SB> far as I'm concerned.  There's no life in them (with the possible exception
SB> of the MLK memorial shot), no vibrancy.  I don't feel connections or
SB> relationships.  Composition in some cases is poor, but it's often hard to
SB> find good composition "on the street" as there's so much going on.  You've
SB> got to shoot fast, and learn to see almost intuitively, being able to see
SB> everything in the frame in a fraction of a second, or being able to assess
SB> a situation and know when to make, or not make, an exposure.

SB> I want to thank you for putting these pix up.  From a purely personal and
SB> selfish standpoint they have helped me define and understand some of my own
SB> work a lot better.  Perhaps we can get together in San Francisco or
SB> Oakland, and spend a day together making some photos on the streets.

SB> Kind regards,

SB> Shel 


>> [Original Message]
>> From: Bruce Dayton 

>> I have gathered together a little gallery of my street attempts at
>> our recent outing.
>>
>> Enjoy...
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm

RE: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Bruce 

I'd like very much to give you a few "atta-boys" for this little gallery,
but I can't.

The "street" is a dynamic, vibrant, organic place, teeming with activity
and life, filled with joy and sorrow and humor and relationships.  There
are connections between people, between people and objects, between
circumstances - some swift and ephemeral, others slower, longer lasting,
and, perhaps deeper.  I think "street photography" is about showing those
connections, those relationships, and telling stories. Showing something of
the joy and sorrow and excitement and tension that exists out there.

While I have been characterized as a "street photographer" (regardless of
how true that may be) I have never understood what such photography was all
about - at least for me - until this evening when I looked at your small
gallery.

Bruce, it pains me to say this, in part because I like you so well
personally, in part because a lot of your work is great and touches me
deeply, but I must be honest.  These photos pretty well miss the boat as
far as I'm concerned.  There's no life in them (with the possible exception
of the MLK memorial shot), no vibrancy.  I don't feel connections or
relationships.  Composition in some cases is poor, but it's often hard to
find good composition "on the street" as there's so much going on.  You've
got to shoot fast, and learn to see almost intuitively, being able to see
everything in the frame in a fraction of a second, or being able to assess
a situation and know when to make, or not make, an exposure.

I want to thank you for putting these pix up.  From a purely personal and
selfish standpoint they have helped me define and understand some of my own
work a lot better.  Perhaps we can get together in San Francisco or
Oakland, and spend a day together making some photos on the streets.

Kind regards,

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> I have gathered together a little gallery of my street attempts at
> our recent outing.
>
> Enjoy...
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm

GESO - Norcal PDML outing - streets of San Francisco

[Bruce Dayton]

I have gathered together a little gallery of my street attempts at
our recent outing.

Enjoy...

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/NorCalSF/index.htm

-- 
Bruce

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[Paul Stenquist]

Some nice shots here. Good job tracking those hot rods.
Paul
On Oct 14, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:


Hi!


At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there (Bruce,
John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
the event.
Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the Pentax
*istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.
http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm


Bruce, I should say this is excellent "ode to technology" - both one 
that flies and one that freezes it mid-flight :-).


Boris

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks Boris,

It was quite a sight to see.

On another note, I am eyeing one of those 85 soft lenses on KEH - I
wonder if I should have sold mine to you .  How do you like it
on the *istD?

-- 
Bruce


Friday, October 14, 2005, 12:08:35 PM, you wrote:

BL> Hi!

>> At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
>> airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
>> event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there (Bruce,
>> John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
>> time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
>> the event.
>> 
>> Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the Pentax
>> *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.
>> 
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm

BL> Bruce, I should say this is excellent "ode to technology" - both one
BL> that flies and one that freezes it mid-flight :-).

BL> Boris

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there (Bruce,
John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
the event.

Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the Pentax
*istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm


Bruce, I should say this is excellent "ode to technology" - both one 
that flies and one that freezes it mid-flight :-).


Boris

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[Bruce Dayton]

Yup I noticed the dust - I figure after I get some good feedback on
what images are really worth dealing with, I'll probably go back and
spend some more time on them.

I have a wedding to shoot on Saturday, so it is clean the sensors on
both cameras tomorrow.

Thanks for your comments.

-- 
Bruce


Thursday, October 13, 2005, 4:33:05 PM, you wrote:

 At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
 airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
 event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there  
 (Bruce,
 John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
 time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
 the event.

 Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the  
 Pentax
 *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm


CR> There are some nice pictures in there!  I can't decide if I prefer
CR> the pix of the planes WITH the smoke or without.

CR> Also -I wonder if you noticed also that there is some dust on your
CR> sensor in the upper-left-hand quadrant...

CR>   -Charles

CR> --
CR> Charles Robinson
CR> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CR> Minneapolis, MN
CR> http://charles.robinsontwins.org

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[Charles Robinson]

At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there  
(Bruce,

John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
the event.

Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the  
Pentax

*istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm



There are some nice pictures in there!  I can't decide if I prefer  
the pix of the planes WITH the smoke or without.


Also -I wonder if you noticed also that there is some dust on your  
sensor in the upper-left-hand quadrant...


 -Charles

--
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Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks.  Us 'big guns' were all chattering about where the planes
would be coming from.  There were a few around us willing to speculate
(not sure it helped).  I do agree that the planes were fast.  I have
never really shot anything like that before.  No planes and nothing
that fast.  Quite an experience.  I suspect there are lots of small
little things that would make the pictures better, but would take some
time to gain the knowledge and hone the skills.

-- 
Bruce


Thursday, October 13, 2005, 2:28:55 PM, you wrote:

HJV> Bruce,
HJV> You got some really great shots! You sure do have to shoot fast with those
HJV> planes. Fortunately, I had a guy standing next to me who was my "spotter".
HJV> He'd tell me which direction they were coming from. :)
HJV> Heidi


HJV> - Original Message - 
HJV> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
HJV> To: 
HJV> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:02 AM
HJV> Subject: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels


>> At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
>> airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
>> event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there (Bruce,
>> John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
>> time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
>> the event.
>>
>> Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the Pentax
>> *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm
>>
>> Comments welcome
>>
>> -- 
>> Bruce
>> 

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[Heidi & Jon VW]

Bruce,
You got some really great shots! You sure do have to shoot fast with those 
planes. Fortunately, I had a guy standing next to me who was my "spotter". 
He'd tell me which direction they were coming from. :)

Heidi


- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:02 AM
Subject: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels



At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there (Bruce,
John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
the event.

Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the Pentax
*istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm

Comments welcome

--
Bruce

Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[frank theriault]

On 10/13/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
> airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
> event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there (Bruce,
> John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
> time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
> the event.
>
> Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the Pentax
> *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm
>
> Comments welcome

cool!

-frank

--
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Re: GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

This one grabs my attention:
  


:-)

Godfrey

On Oct 13, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there (Bruce,
John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
the event.

Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the Pentax
*istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm

GESO - Norcal PDML outing - Blue Angels

[Bruce Dayton]

At the recent Norcal get together, some of us took advantage of the
airshow that was going on during our gathering.  The most notable
event was the Blue Angels show.  Those of us who made it there (Bruce,
John Francis, Ronnie, John Celio, Heidi, Jared and Ashley) had a fun
time watching the show.  Obviously we attempted to take pictures of
the event.

Here is a gallery of images from the event.  All shot with the Pentax
*istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX + Sigma 1.4X EX converter, handheld.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Blue%20Angels/index.htm

Comments welcome

-- 
Bruce

NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

With the wonky email these days, I wanted to put out another reminder.
On March 5th we will be gathering in San Jose.  Anyone is welcome to
come - it looks like right now the count attending is around nine of
us. I am coming from the Sacramento area, so if anyone is in that
area, you are welcome also.

If you would like to join us, please let me know.

Here is the basic plan:

We will meet at 10:30 am at the Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum
 in San Jose.  If some
want to go through the museum they can or we can just shoot a bit on
the grounds.  Then we'll do lunch nearby and head over to the San Jose
Historic Park and Japanese Gardens (about 2 miles away)
.
They share a parking lot and we can shoot at either/both.  I'm
guessing it may be just about as well for people shooting as sights,
so hopefully this can provide some enjoyment and variety for all.

After we're done, those that want to have a dinner together may do so
(I will want to eat before the long trek home) and the rest can go on
their merry way.

John Francis has graciously provided some pictures of these areas.
http://jfwaf.com/Sampler/


Please let me know if you are interested in attending.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce

Re: NorCal PDML Outing Finalized

[Cotty]

On 13/2/05, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

>We will meet at 10:30 am at the Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum in San
>Jose.  If some want to go through the museum they can or we can just
>shoot a bit on the grounds.  Then we'll do lunch nearby and head over
>to the San Jose Historic Park and Japanese Gardens (about 2 miles
>away).  They share a parking lot and we can shoot at either/both.  I'm
>guessing it may be just about as well for people shooting as sights,
>so hopefully this can provide some enjoyment and variety for all.
>
>After we're done, those that want to have a dinner together may do so
>(I will want to eat before the long trek home) and the rest can go on
>their merry way.
>
>John Francis has graciously provided some pictures of these areas.
>
>http://jfwaf.com/Sampler/

Boy are you whetting my appetite Bruce. Me and a friend used to visit
that museum regularly when I was a lad. School trips and extra-
curricular: he was a big fan and would come away with scarabs ad
infinitum. This was thirty years ago. I'm envious :-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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NorCal PDML Outing Finalized

[Bruce Dayton]

This is to let everyone know that on March 5th we will be gathering in
San Jose.  Anyone is welcome to come - it looks like right now the
count is between six and eight of us.  I am coming from the Sacramento
area, so if anyone is in that area, you are welcome also.

If you would like to join us, please let me know.

Here is the basic plan:

We will meet at 10:30 am at the Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum in San
Jose.  If some want to go through the museum they can or we can just
shoot a bit on the grounds.  Then we'll do lunch nearby and head over
to the San Jose Historic Park and Japanese Gardens (about 2 miles
away).  They share a parking lot and we can shoot at either/both.  I'm
guessing it may be just about as well for people shooting as sights,
so hopefully this can provide some enjoyment and variety for all.

After we're done, those that want to have a dinner together may do so
(I will want to eat before the long trek home) and the rest can go on
their merry way.

John Francis has graciously provided some pictures of these areas.

http://jfwaf.com/Sampler/


-- 
Best regards,
Bruce

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Jerry in Houston]

I would love to participate in the NorCal Outing.  I
will be visiting my sister in Concord.  BUT, I am
flying back to Houston on the 5th.. darn, it would
have been great!

Jerry in Houston

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/8/2005 11:49:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
lol ... I love taking pictures in fog and just after rain. Cold
doesn't bother me too much, as long as I'm prepared for it. But
then again, I am the person who would prefer to live on an
island in the Irish Sea. ;-)

Regards the Egyptian, it's probably an "ok" place to shoot as
long as you don't make a pest of yourself. I don't know what
they'd think about tripods, though, and people setting up for
precise work. 

Whatever ... There are so many places in the greater SF Bay Area
to go make photographs. How about coastal places, like Pigeon
Point, Davenport, etc? Or wandering further afield ... I would
love another expedition to Point Lobos. Or I could spend (will
spend...) weeks in SF downtown, North Beach, The Castro, the
Presidio, etc. 

As of the end of this month, my present contract work is over
and I'm back to full time photography again. I also have a nice
little Land Rover which can seat five in a pinch, with plenty of
space to carry photo gear in the back. So there are always
options, even for those who might not want to do so much driving
themselves... ;-)

Godfrey
=
B. I would much prefer doing something like that from late May on. Then 
it would sound good. :-)

Yeah, I am a wimp.

No, reason, though we couldn't get together again more than once this year. 
We could discuss another outing when we meet.

Marnie aka Doe   My .20 again. (Inflation.)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

lol ... I love taking pictures in fog and just after rain. Cold
doesn't bother me too much, as long as I'm prepared for it. But
then again, I am the person who would prefer to live on an
island in the Irish Sea. ;-)

Regards the Egyptian, it's probably an "ok" place to shoot as
long as you don't make a pest of yourself. I don't know what
they'd think about tripods, though, and people setting up for
precise work. 

Whatever ... There are so many places in the greater SF Bay Area
to go make photographs. How about coastal places, like Pigeon
Point, Davenport, etc? Or wandering further afield ... I would
love another expedition to Point Lobos. Or I could spend (will
spend...) weeks in SF downtown, North Beach, The Castro, the
Presidio, etc. 

As of the end of this month, my present contract work is over
and I'm back to full time photography again. I also have a nice
little Land Rover which can seat five in a pinch, with plenty of
space to carry photo gear in the back. So there are always
options, even for those who might not want to do so much driving
themselves... ;-)

Godfrey


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/8/2005 10:20:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'm not sure I'd want to visit Alcatraz this early in the
year.
> ==
> Truthfully, I really wouldn't either. The beginning of March,
the weather is 
> likely still to be too iffy to be that near the water. Or too
cold.




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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/8/2005 10:20:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not sure I'd want to visit Alcatraz this early in the year.
==
Truthfully, I really wouldn't either. The beginning of March, the weather is 
likely still to be too iffy to be that near the water. Or too cold.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

Godfrey DiGiorgi mused:
> 
> 
> --- John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I wouldn't suggest trying to photograph *inside* the museum.
> > But it's in a public park, which doesn't require anything
> > special.
> 
> Hmm, I'm not sure about the "public park" business. Far as I'm
> aware, the grounds are all owned by the museum. 

Well, I've never had any problem there.  They encourage folks to
just wander around the grounds, even if not visiting the museum.

Perhaps if we all wandered as a group, there *might* be an issue.
But four or five individuals?  That seems unlikely to me.
 
> Regardless, though, I saw someone mentioned Alcatraz. That I'd
> love to do! 

I'm not sure I'd want to visit Alcatraz this early in the year.
 
> Godfrey
> 
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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Mark Erickson]

Bruce, 

I've been lurking too long--put me on the list, too.  I'm in Sacramento 
(East Sac, to be exact).  Regarding location, I propose that we go somewhere 
interesting (of course), but also slightly exotic.  SF itself is 
interesting, but it is so over-photographed that I don't consider it exotic. 

I would love to go to San Juan Bautista 

--Mark

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Mullan]

I just realized that I didn't sign my name to the note indicating an 
interest in the gathering.  I'm John.

John C. Mullan
Exit Realty Advantage
(707) 837-7111
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: NorCal PDML Outing


In a message dated 2/7/2005 8:08:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Pat K mused:
Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? Sounds like
Bruce is in the Sacramento area and John somewhere in the South Bay?
Pat in SF
Correct - I'm actually in San Jose.  Then there's Shel (Berkely?),
Marnie, and a fairly recent list addition in the Walnut Creek area;
I hope she stuck around and is considering attending.
===
So far, those speaking up:
Bruce Dayton -- Sacramento
Marnie Parker -- Walnut Creek
John Francis -- San Jose
Shel Belinkoff -- Berkeley
Pat in SF -- San Francisco
kd2l? -- Sonoma
There are also two recent additions to PDML:  Phantom Queen 
(Berkeley/Oakland
border), and John Celio (Walnut Creek), who have not yet made any comment.

So, yes, we are all in Northern California, but fairly widely scattered, 
so
it makes it a bit hard to figure out where to meet.

http://missions.bgmm.com/
Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

--- John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I wouldn't suggest trying to photograph *inside* the museum.
> But it's in a public park, which doesn't require anything
> special.

Hmm, I'm not sure about the "public park" business. Far as I'm
aware, the grounds are all owned by the museum. 

Regardless, though, I saw someone mentioned Alcatraz. That I'd
love to do! 

Godfrey

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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

John,

Very nice panorama of the Japanese Friendship Garden. Can you tell us how that
was done?

Pat in SF

--- John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>This is a gallery I put together after the first PDML trip to Nuir Woods:
>
>
>
>
>Here's a page I've just created showing a few shots from the three
>San Jose locations I've suggested as possible photo opportunities:
>
>



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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mused:
> 
> wild flowers on Mt. Diablo (not sure how many there are in early March)

Not really a plausible NorCal PDML meet, but apparently the high
rainfall means there will be some spectacular desert blooms in
Death Valley this year.   I'm seriously considering taking two
or three days off and heading out there.   Anyone else interested?

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

Bruce Dayton mused:
> 
> John,
> 
> I'll put you on the list.  I really hope that you'll be able to make
> it.
> 
> So is Sonoma too far away for everyone or
> should we put that on the list of potential places?
> 
> Bruce

The last two trips have been North of the Golden Gate;
why don't we try for something a little further South this time?

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mused:
> 
> In a message dated 2/7/2005 10:17:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The first outing was a Muir Woods and Pt. Reyes.  There was another at Pt.
> Reyes as well, yes?
> 
> Shel 
> 
> Yup, last year. I got some half-way decent shots. I think buildings, maybe a 
> mission, might be a nice change of pace.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 
> 

This is a gallery I put together after the first PDML trip to Nuir Woods:




Here's a page I've just created showing a few shots from the three
San Jose locations I've suggested as possible photo opportunities:

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/7/2005 11:12:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, to combine two previous posts, there *is* Mission Dolores in *San
Francisco*. Counts as a building, Marnie? =). 

There's also North Beach and Chinatown(for the street photographers) or Golden
Gate Park (for nature photographers).

Pat in SF
=
It certainly does. And San Francisco would be sort of central (except for 
Bruce). But not that far. Sonoma Mission might work too.

What I am going to is pop Mom in the car and drive down to Mission San Jose 
on Thursday and take some shots of the layout (nothing fancy) and report back. 
Post some pictures (better than we can see on the Net which really don't tell 
us much).

I have also suggested:  Borges Ranch (Contra Costa -- old farm buildings -- I 
have not visited there yet), wild flowers on Mt. Diablo (not sure how many 
there are in early March), Ruth Bancroft Gardens (world famous -- have to 
reserve -- desert plants -- Contra Costa), etc. 

I like your suggestions too, Pat.

1. Alcatraz Island (for the prison and Bay views, weather depending) plus SF
water front?
2. Newly remodeled SF Conservatory of Flowers in Golden Gate Park. In spring
time, they have a glorius flower layout in front of the conservatory.
http://www.conservatoryofflowers.org/index.htm
3. Filoli Gardens (near Crystal Springs Reservoir, along I-280). I've never
been but heard nice things. http://www.filoli.org/index.html
===
Godfrey DiGiorgi mused:
> 
> I don't know about doing photography [at the Rosicrucian Museum]
> they likely require permits and such ...

John Francis wrote:

I wouldn't suggest trying to photograph *inside* the museum.
But it's in a public park, which doesn't require anything special.
==

And, yes, I was suggesting photographing OUTSIDE at the Egyptian Museum. 
Which should also offer some people shots.

Why don't we keep discussing, but hold final decision until I can report back 
on Mission San Jose. I do think the mission idea captured people's 
attention/interest.

And now Mom is looking forward to the outing.

My .02.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

Well, to combine two previous posts, there *is* Mission Dolores in *San
Francisco*. Counts as a building, Marnie? =). 

There's also North Beach and Chinatown(for the street photographers) or Golden
Gate Park (for nature photographers).

Pat in SF
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> Yup, last year. I got some half-way decent shots. I think buildings, maybe a 
> mission, might be a nice change of pace.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 

And then John Celio wrote:

P.S.: how about someplace in SF next time, as it's pretty central?




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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

Hmm, well, ok. Scratch two off of my very short list. It looks like Marin
County has been visited.

1. Alcatraz Island (for the prison and Bay views, weather depending) plus SF
water front?
2. Newly remodeled SF Conservatory of Flowers in Golden Gate Park. In spring
time, they have a glorius flower layout in front of the conservatory.
http://www.conservatoryofflowers.org/index.htm
3. Filoli Gardens (near Crystal Springs Reservoir, along I-280). I've never
been but heard nice things. http://www.filoli.org/index.html

Pat in SF

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 2/7/2005 9:36:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Before I make any suggestions, where has the group already gone in the past?
> 
> Pat in SF
> (hmmm, make that Patsy Kong in SF)
> 
> Pt. Reyes last year. The time before that I think it was Muir Woods. But 
> Bruce would know.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 
> 
> 




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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

John,

I'll put you on the list.  I really hope that you'll be able to make
it.

So is Sonoma too far away for everyone or
should we put that on the list of potential places?

Bruce


Monday, February 7, 2005, 10:48:08 PM, you wrote:

JC> I'm all for this outing.  As far as missions go, I know the Sonoma mission
JC> pretty well, since my family visited there a handful of times when I was
JC> younger.  Might be a good location, but then again I wouldn't mind seeing
JC> something new.  Anything would be good with me, as long as it's not too much
JC> more than two hours away.

JC> The reason?  My car gets *horrible* gas mileage.  (;

JC> Anyway, I'm not 100% in yet.  I work saturdays, but I'm going to see about
JC> swapping that day with someone else.  Should be fun!

JC> John Celio

JC> P.S.: how about someplace in SF next time, as it's pretty central?

JC> --
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JC> http://www.newpixel.net

JC> AIM: Neopifex

JC> "Hey, I'm an artist.  I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a
JC> statement." 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

Ok,

So the list is:  (all potentials)
Bruce Dayton (Sacramento - actually Roseville)
Shel Belinkoff (El Sobrante)
Marnie Parker (Walnut Creek)
John Francis (San Jose)
Patsy Kong (San Francisco)
John Mullan (Sonoma)
Godfrey DiGiorgi (Cupertino)

The first meeting we had was at Muir Woods and Muir Beach.  The second
one was at Pt. Reyes.  This will be the third meeting.  The general
format has been to meet mid-late morning, shoot for a while.  Have
lunch somewhere and then shoot some more.  Head home in the evening -
some of us have had a dinner together before heading home.

The current discussion is revolving around shooting at one of the
California missions.  The one we know most about (San Juan Bautista)
is the furthest away and so may not be a good choice.  Those that are
closer nobody knows whether they would be in good enough condition to
warrant doing a shoot there.

If there are other suggestions that would be more central and would be
conducive to a group like that, please bring them up.

We also like to bring equipment that each has to give everyone an
opportunity to look/try things that they might have interest in, not
to mention having a great time talking and sharing.

It would be great if even a few more people in the area would speak up
and join us.


-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, February 7, 2005, 10:14:56 PM, you wrote:

SB> I'm in El Sobrante, if one wants to be specific ;-))

SB> Pat, Marnie, John Celio, Phantom Queen and I are all pretty close to one
SB> another, roughly in the center of the area covered. 

SB> Shel 


>> Pat K mused:
>> > 
>> > Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? 
>>
>> So far, those speaking up:
>>
>> Bruce Dayton -- Sacramento
>> Marnie Parker -- Walnut Creek
>> John Francis -- San Jose
>> Shel Belinkoff -- Berkeley
>> Pat in SF -- San Francisco
>> kd2l? -- Sonoma
>>
>> There are also two recent additions to PDML:  Phantom Queen
SB> (Berkeley/Oakland 
>> border), and John Celio (Walnut Creek), who have not yet made any comment.
>>
>> So, yes, we are all in Northern California, but fairly widely scattered,
SB> so 
>> it makes it a bit hard to figure out where to meet.
>>
>> http://missions.bgmm.com/
>>
>> Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

Godfrey DiGiorgi mused:
> 
> I don't know about doing photography [at the Rosicrucian Museum]
> they likely require permits and such ...

I wouldn't suggest trying to photograph *inside* the museum.
But it's in a public park, which doesn't require anything special.

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/7/2005 10:17:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The first outing was a Muir Woods and Pt. Reyes.  There was another at Pt.
Reyes as well, yes?

Shel 

Yup, last year. I got some half-way decent shots. I think buildings, maybe a 
mission, might be a nice change of pace.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Celio]

I'm all for this outing.  As far as missions go, I know the Sonoma mission 
pretty well, since my family visited there a handful of times when I was 
younger.  Might be a good location, but then again I wouldn't mind seeing 
something new.  Anything would be good with me, as long as it's not too much 
more than two hours away.

The reason?  My car gets *horrible* gas mileage.  (;
Anyway, I'm not 100% in yet.  I work saturdays, but I'm going to see about 
swapping that day with someone else.  Should be fun!

John Celio
P.S.: how about someplace in SF next time, as it's pretty central?
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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Shel Belinkoff]

The first outing was a Muir Woods and Pt. Reyes.  There was another at Pt.
Reyes as well, yes?

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Pat K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Before I make any suggestions, where has the group already gone in the
past?
>
> Pat in SF
> (hmmm, make that Patsy Kong in SF)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Shel Belinkoff]

I'm in El Sobrante, if one wants to be specific ;-))

Pat, Marnie, John Celio, Phantom Queen and I are all pretty close to one
another, roughly in the center of the area covered. 

Shel 


> Pat K mused:
> > 
> > Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? 
>
> So far, those speaking up:
>
> Bruce Dayton -- Sacramento
> Marnie Parker -- Walnut Creek
> John Francis -- San Jose
> Shel Belinkoff -- Berkeley
> Pat in SF -- San Francisco
> kd2l? -- Sonoma
>
> There are also two recent additions to PDML:  Phantom Queen
(Berkeley/Oakland 
> border), and John Celio (Walnut Creek), who have not yet made any comment.
>
> So, yes, we are all in Northern California, but fairly widely scattered,
so 
> it makes it a bit hard to figure out where to meet.
>
> http://missions.bgmm.com/
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/7/2005 9:50:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi, Godfrey,

Bruce Dayton and Marnie have proposed a NorCal PDML gathering on Saturday,
March 5th. Location still TBD.
See http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss%40pdml.net/msg227872.html

Pat in SF
=
Although those two people are disagreeing hotly (in such a muted mutually 
respectful way that you'd never know) about where to go.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

Hi, Godfrey,

Bruce Dayton and Marnie have proposed a NorCal PDML gathering on Saturday,
March 5th. Location still TBD.
See http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss%40pdml.net/msg227872.html

Pat in SF
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm in Cupertino. 
> I was away for a few days ... what's this "norcal outing" going
> to be? 
> 
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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> Mission San Jose contact info:
> 43300 Mission Blvd
> Fremont, CA 94539
> 510-657-1797
> http://www.missionsofcalifornia.org/missions/mission14.html

Hmm. I've heard of it many times, but never been there. 

> I also suggest the Egyptian Museum (Rosicrucian museum) as a
> backup, before/after lunch. Haven't researched where it is in
relation
> to mission and when it is open, but it looks interesting.
> http://www.egyptianmuseum.org/

The Egyptian Museum is about 30-40 minutes from Mission Blvd in
Fremont (assuming traffic isn't totally crunched up). It's in a
nice surburban area just outside San Jose central distract, on
Naglee near The Alameda. 

I don't know about doing photography there ... It's a museum,
after all, and they likely require permits and such ... but the
neighborhood and along The Alameda nearby is one of my favorite
areas in San Jose to do street photography. There are quite a
number of small shops, restaurants, cafes and also industrial
stuff in the area. It's a 20 minute walk from The Alameda and
Race Street to the heart of San Jose downtown too ... Downtown
by Market and San Carlos, Santa Clara is another great area for
street photography.

Godfrey



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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/7/2005 9:36:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Before I make any suggestions, where has the group already gone in the past?

Pat in SF
(hmmm, make that Patsy Kong in SF)

Pt. Reyes last year. The time before that I think it was Muir Woods. But 
Bruce would know.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

Before I make any suggestions, where has the group already gone in the past?

Pat in SF
(hmmm, make that Patsy Kong in SF)

=
Bruce Dayton wrote (in the digest, since I didn't get it from the real time
list):
Those who have responded so far are:
Bruce Dayton - Sacramento
Shel Belinkoff - Berkeley
Marnie Parker - Walnut Creek
John Francis - San Jose
Pat ? - San Francisco
John Mullan - Sonoma

If any of you have other suggested places to shoot, please speak up.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce




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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'm in Cupertino. 
I was away for a few days ... what's this "norcal outing" going
to be? 

Godfrey

--- John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pat K mused:
> > 
> > Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? Sounds like
> > Bruce is in the Sacramento area and John somewhere in the
> South Bay?
> > 
> > Pat in SF
> 
> Correct - I'm actually in San Jose.  Then there's Shel
> (Berkely?),
> Marnie, and a fairly recent list addition in the Walnut Creek
> area;
> I hope she stuck around and is considering attending.
> 
> 

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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

Those who have responded so far are:
Bruce Dayton - Sacramento
Shel Belinkoff - Berkeley
Marnie Parker - Walnut Creek
John Francis - San Jose
Pat ? - San Francisco
John Mullan - Sonoma

If any of you have other suggested places to shoot, please speak up.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, February 7, 2005, 8:42:06 PM, you wrote:

Eac> In a message dated 2/7/2005 8:08:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
Eac> writes:
Eac> Pat K mused:
>> 
>> Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? Sounds like
>> Bruce is in the Sacramento area and John somewhere in the South Bay?
>> 
>> Pat in SF

Eac> Correct - I'm actually in San Jose.  Then there's Shel (Berkely?),
Eac> Marnie, and a fairly recent list addition in the Walnut Creek area;
Eac> I hope she stuck around and is considering attending.
Eac> ===

Eac> So far, those speaking up:

Eac> Bruce Dayton -- Sacramento
Eac> Marnie Parker -- Walnut Creek
Eac> John Francis -- San Jose
Eac> Shel Belinkoff -- Berkeley
Eac> Pat in SF -- San Francisco
Eac> kd2l? -- Sonoma

Eac> There are also two recent additions to PDML:  Phantom Queen 
(Berkeley/Oakland
Eac> border), and John Celio (Walnut Creek), who have not yet made any comment.

Eac> So, yes, we are all in Northern California, but fairly widely scattered, so
Eac> it makes it a bit hard to figure out where to meet.

Eac> http://missions.bgmm.com/

Eac> Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/7/2005 8:08:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
Pat K mused:
> 
> Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? Sounds like
> Bruce is in the Sacramento area and John somewhere in the South Bay?
> 
> Pat in SF

Correct - I'm actually in San Jose.  Then there's Shel (Berkely?),
Marnie, and a fairly recent list addition in the Walnut Creek area;
I hope she stuck around and is considering attending.
===

So far, those speaking up:

Bruce Dayton -- Sacramento
Marnie Parker -- Walnut Creek
John Francis -- San Jose
Shel Belinkoff -- Berkeley
Pat in SF -- San Francisco
kd2l? -- Sonoma

There are also two recent additions to PDML:  Phantom Queen (Berkeley/Oakland 
border), and John Celio (Walnut Creek), who have not yet made any comment.

So, yes, we are all in Northern California, but fairly widely scattered, so 
it makes it a bit hard to figure out where to meet.

http://missions.bgmm.com/

Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

It looks like John Mullan in the Sonoma area is planning to attend
also.  That is 5 who have responded so far.  Guess we better nail down
the plan quickly.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, February 7, 2005, 8:07:14 PM, you wrote:

JF> Pat K mused:
>> 
>> Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? Sounds like
>> Bruce is in the Sacramento area and John somewhere in the South Bay?
>> 
>> Pat in SF

JF> Correct - I'm actually in San Jose.  Then there's Shel (Berkely?),
JF> Marnie, and a fairly recent list addition in the Walnut Creek area;
JF> I hope she stuck around and is considering attending.

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/7/2005 2:43:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's not the worst idea, Marnie -- that's the site of the Unexpected PDML 
Meeting In San Antonio (when I met Mark Stringer).


ERNR
=
Cool, looks like a cool mission. Wish it was here.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

Pat K mused:
> 
> Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? Sounds like
> Bruce is in the Sacramento area and John somewhere in the South Bay?
> 
> Pat in SF

Correct - I'm actually in San Jose.  Then there's Shel (Berkely?),
Marnie, and a fairly recent list addition in the Walnut Creek area;
I hope she stuck around and is considering attending.

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mused:
> 
> In a message dated 2/7/2005 11:48:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Mission San Jose contact info:
> 43300 Mission Blvd
> Fremont, CA 94539
> 510-657-1797
> http://www.missionsofcalifornia.org/missions/mission14.html
> 
> I still don't have a good handle on what's been restored for viewing. I did
> find a site with some photos for an idea. 
> http://www.thecaliforniamissions.com/sanjos/sanjos
> 
> Pat in SF
> =
> I have finally found some decent shots of it. I will be posting them shortly. 
> Evidently they do weddings in the chapel, so found some interior shots too.
> 
> I also suggest the Egyptian Museum (Rosicrucian museum) as a backup, 
> before/after lunch. Haven't researched where it is in relation to mission and 
> when it 
> is open, but it looks interesting.
> 
> http://www.egyptianmuseum.org/
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 

The San Jose Mission doesn't look that great from what I can see in
the photographs I've found on the web.  I'll see if I can find out
anything about the Santa Clara Mission.

The grounds outside the Rosicrucian museum are a wonderful photo site;
I've been there a couple of times, and I'm sure that it looks splendid
now that spring is here.

Fairly close at hand is the San Jose history park (mildly interesting)
and the Japanese Friendship Garden - another wonderful photo location.


Quite honestly I'd suggest that those two or three locations are far
more likely to yield good photo opportunities than either mission.

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

No idea.   Sorry.


Bruce Dayton mused:
> 
> John,
> 
> Have you been there?  Is it worth an outing?
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Monday, February 7, 2005, 11:31:04 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> JF> It's in Fremont.  That's not "Fremont-the-district-of-San-Jose",
> JF> it's "Fremont-the-town-just-a-little-north-of-San-Jose" on the
> JF> East side of the SF Bay (about 10 miles N of 101, on 680).
> 
> 
> JF> The church & museum are open 10-5.  More information can be
> JF> obtained by sending a (legal-sized) SASE to:
> 
> JF> OLD MISSION SAN JOSE
> JF> P.0. Box 3159
> JF> Fremont, CA  94539
> 
> 
> 
> 
> JF> Bruce Dayton mused:
> >> 
> >> How far is the Mission in San Jose?  It seems like the next best
> >> choice based on restoration.  Would that one work to everyone's
> >> satisfaction concerning distance/time?
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Best regards,
> >> Bruce
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Monday, February 7, 2005, 12:23:57 AM, you wrote:
> >> 
> >> PK> Mission San Juan Bautista would be almost 2 hours drive away from San
> >> PK> Francisco. A little bit far for me also. Will keep my ears open to the 
> >> plans as
> >> PK> they form.
> >> 
> >> PK> Pat in SF
> >> 
> >> PK> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >> Probably too far for me to drive, because I seem to have developed 
> >> >> sciatica
> >> >> or something. Don't really want to drive for over two hours. It takes 
> >> >> me 1
> >> >> hour 
> >> >> 15 minutes about to get to the top of San Jose. So I have a sneaking
> >> >> suspicion it would take over two hours for me to drive to San Juan 
> >> >> Bautista.
> >> >> Even two 
> >> >> hours would be pushing it for me.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Actually, the only mission I remember is San Juan Bautista. I've never 
> >> >> seen
> >> >> the San Jose Mission, so can't speak for it, or Mission Delores, or any 
> >> >> of
> >> >> the 
> >> >> others, as matter of fact.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Or maybe someone can give me a lift to whatever the consensus is. Over 
> >> >> two
> >> >> hours of driving and I will have to bow out.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Marnie aka Doe 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>
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> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[ernreed2]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Well, that was dumb, that was San Jose in San Antonio. 

It's not the worst idea, Marnie -- that's the site of the Unexpected PDML 
Meeting In San Antonio (when I met Mark Stringer).


ERNR

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Mullan]

Well,  I'm in Sonoma County and hope attend if I don't have a work conflict.
- Original Message - 
From: "Pat K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: NorCal PDML Outing


See comments in line
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, here are some decent shots, admittedly it's not as nice as San Juan
Bautista, but it's a LOT closer.
The photos of the grounds don't make it appear as attractive as Mission 
Carmel
or Mission San Juan Capistrano that I've had the opportunity to visit (if 
we
end up at a mission, I should bring those photos for comparison)

I don't like that it is so close to the road, but I see possibilities. 
And I
don't want to drive six hours on a day trip (3 hours down, 3 back). Or 
even
five.

Unless Mission Santa Clara is better.
I believe that Mission Santa Clara is now part of the Santa Clara 
University
campus. It may be closer to San Francisco than Fremont (no bridges to 
cross),
but I could be wrong. Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? Sounds 
like
Bruce is in the Sacramento area and John somewhere in the South Bay?

Pat in SF
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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Marco Alpert]

On Feb 7, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Pat K wrote:
Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? Sounds like
Bruce is in the Sacramento area and John somewhere in the South Bay?
Looks like I decided to buy an *ist Ds (and join the list) just in 
time. I'm down in the Santa Cruz area and can vouch for the appeal of 
San Juan Bautista. However, driving to any of the other suggested 
options would be no problem.

I haven't been to the Egyptian Museum in years, but my memory is that 
it would also be an intriguing locale. Keep in mind that no flash or 
tripods are allowed inside, so bring those fast primes.

   - Marco

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

See comments in line

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Okay, here are some decent shots, admittedly it's not as nice as San Juan 
> Bautista, but it's a LOT closer. 

The photos of the grounds don't make it appear as attractive as Mission Carmel
or Mission San Juan Capistrano that I've had the opportunity to visit (if we
end up at a mission, I should bring those photos for comparison)

> I don't like that it is so close to the road, but I see possibilities. And I 
> don't want to drive six hours on a day trip (3 hours down, 3 back). Or even 
> five.
> 
> Unless Mission Santa Clara is better.

I believe that Mission Santa Clara is now part of the Santa Clara University
campus. It may be closer to San Francisco than Fremont (no bridges to cross),
but I could be wrong. Where abouts are the NorCal people situated? Sounds like
Bruce is in the Sacramento area and John somewhere in the South Bay?

Pat in SF

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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

Okay, here are some decent shots, admittedly it's not as nice as San Juan 
Bautista, but it's a LOT closer. 

exterior:

http://www.museumoflocalhistory.org/msj_home/

http://www.msjchamber.org/about_msj.html

wedding in interior:

http://www.msjchamber.org/about_msj.html

I don't like that it is so close to the road, but I see possibilities. And I 
don't want to drive six hours on a day trip (3 hours down, 3 back). Or even 
five.

Unless Mission Santa Clara is better.

Also the Egyptian Museum again, in case, the last post was lost.

http://www.egyptianmuseum.org/

My .02 cents.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/7/2005 11:48:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mission San Jose contact info:
43300 Mission Blvd
Fremont, CA 94539
510-657-1797
http://www.missionsofcalifornia.org/missions/mission14.html

I still don't have a good handle on what's been restored for viewing. I did
find a site with some photos for an idea. 
http://www.thecaliforniamissions.com/sanjos/sanjos

Pat in SF
=
I have finally found some decent shots of it. I will be posting them shortly. 
Evidently they do weddings in the chapel, so found some interior shots too.

I also suggest the Egyptian Museum (Rosicrucian museum) as a backup, 
before/after lunch. Haven't researched where it is in relation to mission and 
when it 
is open, but it looks interesting.

http://www.egyptianmuseum.org/

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

Mission San Jose contact info:
43300 Mission Blvd
Fremont, CA 94539
510-657-1797
http://www.missionsofcalifornia.org/missions/mission14.html

I still don't have a good handle on what's been restored for viewing. I did
find a site with some photos for an idea. 
http://www.thecaliforniamissions.com/sanjos/sanjos

Pat in SF

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 2/7/2005 8:52:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> How far is the Mission in San Jose?  It seems like the next best
> choice based on restoration.  Would that one work to everyone's
> satisfaction concerning distance/time?
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> =
> It works for me. 
> 
> But we do need to find out if it *has* been restored and when it is open. The
> 
> link I posted earlier was for one in Texas (stupid mistake). However, the web
> 
> page for California missions says it has been restored. There must be a phone
> 
> number somewhere where we could call and get information. Or have them send a
> 
> pamphlet or something.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 
> 
> 




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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

John,

Have you been there?  Is it worth an outing?

Bruce


Monday, February 7, 2005, 11:31:04 AM, you wrote:


JF> It's in Fremont.  That's not "Fremont-the-district-of-San-Jose",
JF> it's "Fremont-the-town-just-a-little-north-of-San-Jose" on the
JF> East side of the SF Bay (about 10 miles N of 101, on 680).


JF> The church & museum are open 10-5.  More information can be
JF> obtained by sending a (legal-sized) SASE to:

JF> OLD MISSION SAN JOSE
JF> P.0. Box 3159
JF> Fremont, CA  94539




JF> Bruce Dayton mused:
>> 
>> How far is the Mission in San Jose?  It seems like the next best
>> choice based on restoration.  Would that one work to everyone's
>> satisfaction concerning distance/time?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> Monday, February 7, 2005, 12:23:57 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>> PK> Mission San Juan Bautista would be almost 2 hours drive away from San
>> PK> Francisco. A little bit far for me also. Will keep my ears open to the 
>> plans as
>> PK> they form.
>> 
>> PK> Pat in SF
>> 
>> PK> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >> Probably too far for me to drive, because I seem to have developed 
>> >> sciatica
>> >> or something. Don't really want to drive for over two hours. It takes me 1
>> >> hour 
>> >> 15 minutes about to get to the top of San Jose. So I have a sneaking
>> >> suspicion it would take over two hours for me to drive to San Juan 
>> >> Bautista.
>> >> Even two 
>> >> hours would be pushing it for me.
>> >> 
>> >> Actually, the only mission I remember is San Juan Bautista. I've never 
>> >> seen
>> >> the San Jose Mission, so can't speak for it, or Mission Delores, or any of
>> >> the 
>> >> others, as matter of fact.
>> >> 
>> >> Or maybe someone can give me a lift to whatever the consensus is. Over two
>> >> hours of driving and I will have to bow out.
>> >> 
>> >> Marnie aka Doe 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

It's in Fremont.  That's not "Fremont-the-district-of-San-Jose",
it's "Fremont-the-town-just-a-little-north-of-San-Jose" on the
East side of the SF Bay (about 10 miles N of 101, on 680).


The church & museum are open 10-5.  More information can be
obtained by sending a (legal-sized) SASE to:

OLD MISSION SAN JOSE
P.0. Box 3159
Fremont, CA  94539




Bruce Dayton mused:
> 
> How far is the Mission in San Jose?  It seems like the next best
> choice based on restoration.  Would that one work to everyone's
> satisfaction concerning distance/time?
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Monday, February 7, 2005, 12:23:57 AM, you wrote:
> 
> PK> Mission San Juan Bautista would be almost 2 hours drive away from San
> PK> Francisco. A little bit far for me also. Will keep my ears open to the 
> plans as
> PK> they form.
> 
> PK> Pat in SF
> 
> PK> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Probably too far for me to drive, because I seem to have developed sciatica
> >> or something. Don't really want to drive for over two hours. It takes me 1
> >> hour 
> >> 15 minutes about to get to the top of San Jose. So I have a sneaking
> >> suspicion it would take over two hours for me to drive to San Juan 
> >> Bautista.
> >> Even two 
> >> hours would be pushing it for me.
> >> 
> >> Actually, the only mission I remember is San Juan Bautista. I've never seen
> >> the San Jose Mission, so can't speak for it, or Mission Delores, or any of
> >> the 
> >> others, as matter of fact.
> >> 
> >> Or maybe someone can give me a lift to whatever the consensus is. Over two
> >> hours of driving and I will have to bow out.
> >> 
> >> Marnie aka Doe 
> >> 
> >> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/7/2005 8:52:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How far is the Mission in San Jose?  It seems like the next best
choice based on restoration.  Would that one work to everyone's
satisfaction concerning distance/time?

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce
=
It works for me. 

But we do need to find out if it *has* been restored and when it is open. The 
link I posted earlier was for one in Texas (stupid mistake). However, the web 
page for California missions says it has been restored. There must be a phone 
number somewhere where we could call and get information. Or have them send a 
pamphlet or something.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

This one looks pretty good also.  Anyone else?

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, February 7, 2005, 8:31:32 AM, you wrote:

Eac> In a message dated 2/7/2005 12:26:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
Eac> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eac> Mission San Juan Bautista would be almost 2 hours drive away from San
Eac> Francisco. A little bit far for me also. Will keep my ears open to the 
plans
Eac> as
Eac> they form.

Eac> Pat in SF
Eac> ===
Eac> I nominate Mission San Jose. It looks interesting. It's close to John 
Francis
Eac> and would be about 1 1/2 hours at the max for me, and probably about the 
same
Eac> for Pat. And only a tad longer for Shel. 

Eac> And although it's been fully restored, it looks nicely old and crumbly. It
Eac> has a good rose window and a neat door and arches and everything one would 
want
Eac> in a mission. I am not sure about when it is open yet; haven't looked it up
Eac> yet. Here's some good pictures:

Eac> http://www.nps.gov/saan/visit/MissionSanJose.htm

Eac> It was also once one of the most important missions.

Eac> Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

How far is the Mission in San Jose?  It seems like the next best
choice based on restoration.  Would that one work to everyone's
satisfaction concerning distance/time?

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, February 7, 2005, 12:23:57 AM, you wrote:

PK> Mission San Juan Bautista would be almost 2 hours drive away from San
PK> Francisco. A little bit far for me also. Will keep my ears open to the 
plans as
PK> they form.

PK> Pat in SF

PK> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Probably too far for me to drive, because I seem to have developed sciatica
>> or something. Don't really want to drive for over two hours. It takes me 1
>> hour 
>> 15 minutes about to get to the top of San Jose. So I have a sneaking
>> suspicion it would take over two hours for me to drive to San Juan Bautista.
>> Even two 
>> hours would be pushing it for me.
>> 
>> Actually, the only mission I remember is San Juan Bautista. I've never seen
>> the San Jose Mission, so can't speak for it, or Mission Delores, or any of
>> the 
>> others, as matter of fact.
>> 
>> Or maybe someone can give me a lift to whatever the consensus is. Over two
>> hours of driving and I will have to bow out.
>> 
>> Marnie aka Doe 
>> 
>> 




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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

Well, that was dumb, that was San Jose in San Antonio. Phooey. I have yet to 
find a web site that shows Mission San Jose. Maybe it hasn't been restored.

John, can you help out here? I was under the impression something had been 
restored at San Jose. You said the Mercury News had an article on missions. Has 
it?

Marnie aka Doe   

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

Although, to be perfectly honest, I have yet to figure out, since 
restoration, what is at the Mission San Jose and what is not. They often show 
pictures of 
what has NOT been restored. Maybe someone can find out more.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/7/2005 12:26:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mission San Juan Bautista would be almost 2 hours drive away from San
Francisco. A little bit far for me also. Will keep my ears open to the plans 
as
they form.

Pat in SF
===
I nominate Mission San Jose. It looks interesting. It's close to John Francis 
and would be about 1 1/2 hours at the max for me, and probably about the same 
for Pat. And only a tad longer for Shel. 

And although it's been fully restored, it looks nicely old and crumbly. It 
has a good rose window and a neat door and arches and everything one would want 
in a mission. I am not sure about when it is open yet; haven't looked it up 
yet. Here's some good pictures:

http://www.nps.gov/saan/visit/MissionSanJose.htm

It was also once one of the most important missions.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

Mission San Juan Bautista would be almost 2 hours drive away from San
Francisco. A little bit far for me also. Will keep my ears open to the plans as
they form.

Pat in SF

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Probably too far for me to drive, because I seem to have developed sciatica 
> or something. Don't really want to drive for over two hours. It takes me 1
> hour 
> 15 minutes about to get to the top of San Jose. So I have a sneaking 
> suspicion it would take over two hours for me to drive to San Juan Bautista.
> Even two 
> hours would be pushing it for me.
> 
> Actually, the only mission I remember is San Juan Bautista. I've never seen 
> the San Jose Mission, so can't speak for it, or Mission Delores, or any of
> the 
> others, as matter of fact.
> 
> Or maybe someone can give me a lift to whatever the consensus is. Over two 
> hours of driving and I will have to bow out.
> 
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> 
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[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/6/2005 10:13:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have been there once several years ago.  Didn't get to do much
photography - had the family in tow as we were visiting to help our
daughter with her report.

What I liked about it was that there is a big square out front and it
is still an active mission - church services are held.  From my
understanding, it has the biggest chapel out of all the missions.  It
also has an inner courtyard with gardens and such.  It seems like
there would be some good opportunities there.

This is the mission that I am leaning towards.

Anybody have other thoughts?


-- 
Best regards,
Bruce

Probably too far for me to drive, because I seem to have developed sciatica 
or something. Don't really want to drive for over two hours. It takes me 1 hour 
15 minutes about to get to the top of San Jose. So I have a sneaking 
suspicion it would take over two hours for me to drive to San Juan Bautista. 
Even two 
hours would be pushing it for me.

Actually, the only mission I remember is San Juan Bautista. I've never seen 
the San Jose Mission, so can't speak for it, or Mission Delores, or any of the 
others, as matter of fact.

Or maybe someone can give me a lift to whatever the consensus is. Over two 
hours of driving and I will have to bow out.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Pat,

Glad to have you come.  I know that we have missed you in the past due
to schedules, so this should be fun!  I'll try to keep everyone posted
as to details as they are nailed down.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, February 6, 2005, 7:44:16 PM, you wrote:

PK> Input from a lurker who follows on the Mail Archive (which hasn't been 
working
PK> well all week and so I may be missing messages). I have been to both Mission
PK> Delores in San Francisco and the mission in Carmel and had productive
PK> photographic days. I would enjoy meeting other PDML folk. Please count me 
in.

PK> Pat in SF

PK> 
PK> Bruce Dayton wrote:
PK> This is a notice for anyone in reasonable driving distance to the Bay
PK> area - We are going to have a PDML photo outing on March 5th.  The
PK> plan is to meet and shoot at one of the missions in the area. I've
PK> got to get that finalized, but the date is solid.  Hopefully any of
PK> you near San Francisco (I'm in Sacramento) will join us for a fun day.

PK> Check your calendars and let me know if you might be able to join us.


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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

I have been there once several years ago.  Didn't get to do much
photography - had the family in tow as we were visiting to help our
daughter with her report.

What I liked about it was that there is a big square out front and it
is still an active mission - church services are held.  From my
understanding, it has the biggest chapel out of all the missions.  It
also has an inner courtyard with gardens and such.  It seems like
there would be some good opportunities there.

This is the mission that I am leaning towards.

Anybody have other thoughts?


-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, February 6, 2005, 6:06:53 PM, you wrote:


JF> In a stroke of serendipity, today's San Jose Murky News has a
JF> feature article on the California missions.

JF> San Juan Bautista looks quite interesting.


JF> Bruce Dayton mused:
>> 
>> Good to hear, John.  So far, looks like we have possibilities of four
>> of us.  Hopefully more people will figure out that they are near
>> enough to the bay area to want to come.
>> 
>> I have the DA 16-45 and will naturally bring it along.  Once we get a
>> little more solidified on who's attending, we can figure out what gear
>> people have/would like to see.
>> 
>> Hope you'll be able to attend...
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> Sunday, February 6, 2005, 2:08:12 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>> JF> Bruce Dayton mused:
>> >> 
>> >> This is a notice for anyone in reasonable driving distance to the Bay
>> >> area - We are going to have a PDML photo outing on March 5th.  The
>> >> plan is to meet and shoot at one of the missions in the area.  I've
>> >> got to get that finalized, but the date is solid.  Hopefully any of
>> >> you near San Francisco (I'm in Sacramento) will join us for a fun day.
>> >> 
>> >> Check your calendars and let me know if you might be able to join us.
>> >> 
>> >> -- 
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> JF> That's a probable "Yes" from me.
>> 
>> JF> If potential attendees would like to indicate some Pentax gear they
>> JF> don't own, but would like to play with, it would be a good idea to
>> JF> let other attendees know.  I know I'd like to spend a little more
>> JF> time with a DA 16-45, and it might be fun to try the 14mm as well.
>> JF> Plus, of course, an FA* 85/1.4; so far I've never handled one.
>> 
>> JF> I can bring along some of my older film bodies (MX, Super Program,
>> JF> PZ-1p), as well as the *ist-D and/or MZ-S I'd be using myself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/6/2005 7:46:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would enjoy meeting other PDML folk. Please count me in.

Pat in SF
==
Kewl.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

Input from a lurker who follows on the Mail Archive (which hasn't been working
well all week and so I may be missing messages). I have been to both Mission
Delores in San Francisco and the mission in Carmel and had productive
photographic days. I would enjoy meeting other PDML folk. Please count me in.

Pat in SF


Bruce Dayton wrote:
This is a notice for anyone in reasonable driving distance to the Bay
area - We are going to have a PDML photo outing on March 5th.  The
plan is to meet and shoot at one of the missions in the area.  I've
got to get that finalized, but the date is solid.  Hopefully any of
you near San Francisco (I'm in Sacramento) will join us for a fun day.

Check your calendars and let me know if you might be able to join us.


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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

Glad to be of service, Shel! It's a bit frustrating when both Mail Archive and
the real-time list are being dodgy.

Pat in SF

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Boy, I'm glad that Pat quoted your message, Bruce.  I never saw it and was
> beginning to think my message may not have gotten to the list or to you.
> 
> I think I'm going to start copying the senders of some messages  
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Pat K 
> > Bruce Dayton wrote:
> > Hello Shel,
> >
> > Love to have you come.  You didn't miss any messages.  Since Mark
> > Dalal moved, I have somehow become the organizer of the event.  So the
> > date was picked based on my ability to go.  I don't have any other
> > openings until about June.  As to shooting missions, Marnie and I have
> > been kicking around different ideas for a while and she brought this
> > one up.  Seemed like a great idea and a departure from a more
> > outdoors/nature venue.  I still have to look them up and see what
> > looks best around the area - I believe there are several to choose
> > from.  I'll try to check into the missions today and post my findings.
> 
> 
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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Shel Belinkoff]

Boy, I'm glad that Pat quoted your message, Bruce.  I never saw it and was
beginning to think my message may not have gotten to the list or to you.

I think I'm going to start copying the senders of some messages  

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Pat K 
> Bruce Dayton wrote:
> Hello Shel,
>
> Love to have you come.  You didn't miss any messages.  Since Mark
> Dalal moved, I have somehow become the organizer of the event.  So the
> date was picked based on my ability to go.  I don't have any other
> openings until about June.  As to shooting missions, Marnie and I have
> been kicking around different ideas for a while and she brought this
> one up.  Seemed like a great idea and a departure from a more
> outdoors/nature venue.  I still have to look them up and see what
> looks best around the area - I believe there are several to choose
> from.  I'll try to check into the missions today and post my findings.

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Pat K]

>From previous trips to California missions, there is usually an indoor and
outdoor component.  You can experience some of the interior ornateness within
the chapel buildings or explore the gardens (in various stages of bloom) out
back. So, it could be both an indoor and outdoor experience.

Pat in SF

==
Bruce Dayton wrote:
Hello Shel,

Love to have you come.  You didn't miss any messages.  Since Mark
Dalal moved, I have somehow become the organizer of the event.  So the
date was picked based on my ability to go.  I don't have any other
openings until about June.  As to shooting missions, Marnie and I have
been kicking around different ideas for a while and she brought this
one up.  Seemed like a great idea and a departure from a more
outdoors/nature venue.  I still have to look them up and see what
looks best around the area - I believe there are several to choose
from.  I'll try to check into the missions today and post my findings.




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Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

In a stroke of serendipity, today's San Jose Murky News has a
feature article on the California missions.

San Juan Bautista looks quite interesting.


Bruce Dayton mused:
> 
> Good to hear, John.  So far, looks like we have possibilities of four
> of us.  Hopefully more people will figure out that they are near
> enough to the bay area to want to come.
> 
> I have the DA 16-45 and will naturally bring it along.  Once we get a
> little more solidified on who's attending, we can figure out what gear
> people have/would like to see.
> 
> Hope you'll be able to attend...
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Sunday, February 6, 2005, 2:08:12 PM, you wrote:
> 
> JF> Bruce Dayton mused:
> >> 
> >> This is a notice for anyone in reasonable driving distance to the Bay
> >> area - We are going to have a PDML photo outing on March 5th.  The
> >> plan is to meet and shoot at one of the missions in the area.  I've
> >> got to get that finalized, but the date is solid.  Hopefully any of
> >> you near San Francisco (I'm in Sacramento) will join us for a fun day.
> >> 
> >> Check your calendars and let me know if you might be able to join us.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Best regards,
> >> Bruce
> 
> 
> JF> That's a probable "Yes" from me.
> 
> JF> If potential attendees would like to indicate some Pentax gear they
> JF> don't own, but would like to play with, it would be a good idea to
> JF> let other attendees know.  I know I'd like to spend a little more
> JF> time with a DA 16-45, and it might be fun to try the 14mm as well.
> JF> Plus, of course, an FA* 85/1.4; so far I've never handled one.
> 
> JF> I can bring along some of my older film bodies (MX, Super Program,
> JF> PZ-1p), as well as the *ist-D and/or MZ-S I'd be using myself.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

Good to hear, John.  So far, looks like we have possibilities of four
of us.  Hopefully more people will figure out that they are near
enough to the bay area to want to come.

I have the DA 16-45 and will naturally bring it along.  Once we get a
little more solidified on who's attending, we can figure out what gear
people have/would like to see.

Hope you'll be able to attend...

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, February 6, 2005, 2:08:12 PM, you wrote:

JF> Bruce Dayton mused:
>> 
>> This is a notice for anyone in reasonable driving distance to the Bay
>> area - We are going to have a PDML photo outing on March 5th.  The
>> plan is to meet and shoot at one of the missions in the area.  I've
>> got to get that finalized, but the date is solid.  Hopefully any of
>> you near San Francisco (I'm in Sacramento) will join us for a fun day.
>> 
>> Check your calendars and let me know if you might be able to join us.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce


JF> That's a probable "Yes" from me.

JF> If potential attendees would like to indicate some Pentax gear they
JF> don't own, but would like to play with, it would be a good idea to
JF> let other attendees know.  I know I'd like to spend a little more
JF> time with a DA 16-45, and it might be fun to try the 14mm as well.
JF> Plus, of course, an FA* 85/1.4; so far I've never handled one.

JF> I can bring along some of my older film bodies (MX, Super Program,
JF> PZ-1p), as well as the *ist-D and/or MZ-S I'd be using myself.

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[John Francis]

Bruce Dayton mused:
> 
> This is a notice for anyone in reasonable driving distance to the Bay
> area - We are going to have a PDML photo outing on March 5th.  The
> plan is to meet and shoot at one of the missions in the area.  I've
> got to get that finalized, but the date is solid.  Hopefully any of
> you near San Francisco (I'm in Sacramento) will join us for a fun day.
> 
> Check your calendars and let me know if you might be able to join us.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce


That's a probable "Yes" from me.

If potential attendees would like to indicate some Pentax gear they
don't own, but would like to play with, it would be a good idea to
let other attendees know.  I know I'd like to spend a little more
time with a DA 16-45, and it might be fun to try the 14mm as well.
Plus, of course, an FA* 85/1.4; so far I've never handled one.

I can bring along some of my older film bodies (MX, Super Program,
PZ-1p), as well as the *ist-D and/or MZ-S I'd be using myself.

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Shel,

Love to have you come.  You didn't miss any messages.  Since Mark
Dalal moved, I have somehow become the organizer of the event.  So the
date was picked based on my ability to go.  I don't have any other
openings until about June.  As to shooting missions, Marnie and I have
been kicking around different ideas for a while and she brought this
one up.  Seemed like a great idea and a departure from a more
outdoors/nature venue.  I still have to look them up and see what
looks best around the area - I believe there are several to choose
from.  I'll try to check into the missions today and post my findings.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, February 6, 2005, 8:43:59 AM, you wrote:

SB> Hi Bruce ...

SB> I might be able to make it this year.  Which missions are you talking
SB> about, and where might they be?

SB> This is the first I heard about this.  Just curious as to who decided on
SB> the missions and the date, and when that happened.  Perhaps I missed a
SB> bunch of messages.

SB> Shel 


>> [Original Message]
>> From: Bruce Dayton 

>> This is a notice for anyone in reasonable driving distance to the Bay
>> area - We are going to have a PDML photo outing on March 5th.  The
>> plan is to meet and shoot at one of the missions in the area.  I've
>> got to get that finalized, but the date is solid.  Hopefully any of
>> you near San Francisco (I'm in Sacramento) will join us for a fun day.
>>
>> Check your calendars and let me know if you might be able to join us.
>>
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce
>>

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/6/2005 8:45:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Bruce ...

I might be able to make it this year.  Which missions are you talking
about, and where might they be?

This is the first I heard about this.  Just curious as to who decided on
the missions and the date, and when that happened.  Perhaps I missed a
bunch of messages.

Shel 
===
BTW, Shel, meant to say, it would be great if you can make it.

And I see you addressed this to Bruce, anyway. LOL.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: NorCal PDML Outing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/6/2005 8:45:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Bruce ...

I might be able to make it this year.  Which missions are you talking
about, and where might they be?

This is the first I heard about this.  Just curious as to who decided on
the missions and the date, and when that happened.  Perhaps I missed a
bunch of messages.

Shel 
===
Bruce and I tend to talk off list about it first. He's the "organizer" and I 
try to help come up with ideas, etc. I guess you could say we both provide 
some impetus for getting together at all. With Bruce organizing, it seems to go 
well. That's been the previous time and this, anyway. If people want to do it 
differently in the future we can discuss that at the next meet, of course.

But IMHO, this sort of thing always works better if one person takes charge. 
Doesn't have to be the same person every time, naturally. But I ain't 
volunteering and Bruce is willing to.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

RE: NorCal PDML Outing

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Bruce ...

I might be able to make it this year.  Which missions are you talking
about, and where might they be?

This is the first I heard about this.  Just curious as to who decided on
the missions and the date, and when that happened.  Perhaps I missed a
bunch of messages.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> This is a notice for anyone in reasonable driving distance to the Bay
> area - We are going to have a PDML photo outing on March 5th.  The
> plan is to meet and shoot at one of the missions in the area.  I've
> got to get that finalized, but the date is solid.  Hopefully any of
> you near San Francisco (I'm in Sacramento) will join us for a fun day.
>
> Check your calendars and let me know if you might be able to join us.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>

NorCal PDML Outing

[Bruce Dayton]

This is a notice for anyone in reasonable driving distance to the Bay
area - We are going to have a PDML photo outing on March 5th.  The
plan is to meet and shoot at one of the missions in the area.  I've
got to get that finalized, but the date is solid.  Hopefully any of
you near San Francisco (I'm in Sacramento) will join us for a fun day.

Check your calendars and let me know if you might be able to join us.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce