Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On 1/22/2010 12:29 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:08 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Here in the States, the standard response seems to be buying a gun, barging into the exhibition and killing everyone in sight. I think the British way works better. What, a knife instead of a gun? Dave (in my city the modus operandi seems to involve a knife and a river) I think the English take the three penny opera too seriously... -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Courier New;}} \viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 I've just upgraded to Thunderbird 3.0 and the interface subtly weird.\par } -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On 1/22/2010 1:29 PM, John Francis wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:15:10AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: My flash suggestion was tongue-in-cheek and needs a smiley. You would need a really big flash to freeze the stars in the sky like that. ;-) Regards, Bob S. And synchronisation is a real problem. You need to set the flash off eons before you trip the shutter. (I hope it's an off-camera flash) Just the flash gun of the apocalypse, just a random thought, go back to the serious discussion now. -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Courier New;}} \viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 I've just upgraded to Thunderbird 3.0 and the interface subtly weird.\par } -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On 1/21/2010 7:57 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped It definitely is for me given the rarity of wild wolves and the knowledge that dogs generally are domesticated and can be trained to repsond to their masters wishes. And now that you know that it is a domesticated wolf. William Robb That kind of makes it dog then... -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Courier New;}} \viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 I've just upgraded to Thunderbird 3.0 and the interface subtly weird.\par } -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped And now that you know that it is a domesticated wolf. William Robb That kind of makes it dog then... Your canoe is in the mail. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On 1/21/2010 8:29 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb A domesticated wolf is a dog after all... -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Courier New;}} \viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 I've just upgraded to Thunderbird 3.0 and the interface subtly weird.\par } -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Bob W wrote: Sounds like these guys are a bunch of wankers to me. First the pick a lousy pic for their winner, then they ban it on not much evidence. This is Mark Carwardine, one of the 'wankers': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY It's not him that's wanking. That has to be one of the best links I've ever seen posted here. Didn't you see it when the series was shown last year? It was a great series - Mark Cawardine's a very engaging character with a brain full of good stuff, and the relationship between him, the animals and Stephen Fry was superb. I don't get to see much television these days. At least, not in entirety in one go. Unless you count CBeebies. I can sing the signature song for all of those programmes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:11 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: paul stenquist On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Look closely, he just used a big flash in the photo without star trails. :-) Regards, Bob S. I don't think he used a flash or any artificial light. The light extends too far into the background, and it's too uniform. However, it could be a combination of two exposures. One shot before the ball dropped, the other after dark. That's a pretty hard edge shadow extending from that table thingy and from the low walls on the right side of the house in the photo without the star trails. There's some kind of hard light source to the camera's left. Car headlights perhaps? High beams could do that. The sun -- or even the moon -- can do that. Car headlights wouldn't light the distant background as this source has done and the foreground would be brighter. Paul The light is uniform in the one that does have the star trails. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
My flash suggestion was tongue-in-cheek and needs a smiley. You would need a really big flash to freeze the stars in the sky like that. ;-) Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:39 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:11 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: paul stenquist On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Look closely, he just used a big flash in the photo without star trails. :-) Regards, Bob S. I don't think he used a flash or any artificial light. The light extends too far into the background, and it's too uniform. However, it could be a combination of two exposures. One shot before the ball dropped, the other after dark. That's a pretty hard edge shadow extending from that table thingy and from the low walls on the right side of the house in the photo without the star trails. There's some kind of hard light source to the camera's left. Car headlights perhaps? High beams could do that. The sun -- or even the moon -- can do that. Car headlights wouldn't light the distant background as this source has done and the foreground would be brighter. Paul The light is uniform in the one that does have the star trails. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I don't think he used a flash or any artificial light. The light extends too far into the background, and it's too uniform. However, it could be a combination of two exposures. One shot before the ball dropped, the other after dark. I suspect that is exactly what he did, Imm guessing though that he used moonlight. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:15:10AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: My flash suggestion was tongue-in-cheek and needs a smiley. You would need a really big flash to freeze the stars in the sky like that. ;-) Regards, Bob S. And synchronisation is a real problem. You need to set the flash off eons before you trip the shutter. (I hope it's an off-camera flash) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
From: Ken Waller You could spend weeks/months 'becomming familiar with the wolf's habits', assuming you first located the wolf (ves) Set up camera pointing at the fence section, set up an IR trigger to take a picture when the wolf broke the light beam, go have a beer and come back later to pick up the camera equipment. You could spend weeks/months after finding the wolf waiting for it to pass by, and hopefully jumping over the obsticle. Since it was, apparently, a captive wolf, it's kind of moot, isn't it? Yep, but originally it was presented as wild , IIRC I believe he STILL insists the wolf was in the wild. The one point I've seen in his favor is the tame wolf they're claiming he rented for the shot has a chewed up right ear. The wolf in the photograph doesn't. I understand the persons claiming it is staged are saying that wolf could have got into a fight after the photo was taken and had its ear chewed up then, but that's mighty weak. Considering the tame wolf IS for rent, and has apparently been for rent for a long time, how hard could it be to find a photo of of that wolf taken before the photographer in question took his own photo? So we get back to he said - they said. They said the wolf he photographed is a model, but the in the photographs the model has obvious injuries not seen in submitted photograph, and they have not provided a convincing [to me] explanation for that difference. The only thing that I take away from the controversy at this point is the contest organizers are completely incompetent. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Do you have any idea how much effort time is required to even see a wolf in the wild ? I do. If that was an honest 'in the wild' shot it would be fantastic. To be there when not only a wolf appeared, but leaped over an obsticle and you were set up to capture it would truly be a lifetime event - IMO. The story the photographer gave, as I recall from when I first saw the photo, is that this was routine behaviour of the wolf which he had witnessed many times. Accordingly he set up specially for it. He didn't just happen to be walking by with all his gear and suddenly see a wolf jump over the fence. This is no different to the way other wildlife photographers work, such as Eric Hosking with his owls. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
You know, the problem I have with it isn't that they decided it was staged; it's that they didn't decide that until AFTER they had already awarded it the first prize. Every reason cited for rejecting it after the fact should have been apparent before it won. Ok, so he (maybe) didn't follow the contest rules; it sure looks like that from the image ... but how stupid do the judges have to be to not notice that BEFORE choosing the guy as Wildlife Photographer of the Year? 20:20 hindsight is a wonderful thing. Look at the fake Vermeers that Van Meegeren made and you wonder how the hell all those experts could be fooled by such obvious crap but to a large extent we see what we want to see. If the photographer proves that it was indeed a wild wolf, it will suddenly become a brilliant shot again. If one of Van Meegeren's daub is suddenly revealed to be a genuine Vermeer it will become a masterpiece. I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. The Van Meegerens are all still shit though. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Sounds like these guys are a bunch of wankers to me. First the pick a lousy pic for their winner, then they ban it on not much evidence. This is Mark Carwardine, one of the 'wankers': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
2010/1/21 Bob W p...@web-options.com: Sounds like these guys are a bunch of wankers to me. First the pick a lousy pic for their winner, then they ban it on not much evidence. This is Mark Carwardine, one of the 'wankers': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY We're all wankers. Some more than others. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg While I know how difficult that wolf photo would have been to take (even if it was staged) it doesn't have ~near~ the excitement and dynamism of yours. That's a terrific photo! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Sounds like these guys are a bunch of wankers to me. First the pick a lousy pic for their winner, then they ban it on not much evidence. This is Mark Carwardine, one of the 'wankers': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY It's not him that's wanking. That has to be one of the best links I've ever seen posted here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
From: Ken Waller Do you have any idea how much effort time is required to even see a wolf in the wild ? I do. If that was an honest 'in the wild' shot it would be fantastic. To be there when not only a wolf appeared, but leaped over an obsticle and you were set up to capture it would truly be a lifetime event - IMO. The only way I can see it is if you somehow already knew the wolves were getting in over the gate, you might be able to set up a camera with a IR trigger like those deer cameras to catch it. I'd like to know more about what the photographer says was going on and how he captured the moment. This isn't a grabbed shot. It will never be an I was just in the right place at the right time pic. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg While I know how difficult that wolf photo would have been to take (even if it was staged) it doesn't have ~near~ the excitement and dynamism of yours. That's a terrific photo! Sadly, it isn't one of mine. It is a terrific photo though. I hate to pooh pooh the wolf photo, but if the guy really had become familiar with said wolf's habits, it really would have been a fairly simple shot to take: Set up camera pointing at the fence section, set up an IR trigger to take a picture when the wolf broke the light beam, go have a beer and come back later to pick up the camera equipment. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Love the tongue. Did you borrow a camera for this. Pentax would never focus fast enough. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:29 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
From: Bob W Do you have any idea how much effort time is required to even see a wolf in the wild ? I do. If that was an honest 'in the wild' shot it would be fantastic. To be there when not only a wolf appeared, but leaped over an obsticle and you were set up to capture it would truly be a lifetime event - IMO. The story the photographer gave, as I recall from when I first saw the photo, is that this was routine behaviour of the wolf which he had witnessed many times. Accordingly he set up specially for it. He didn't just happen to be walking by with all his gear and suddenly see a wolf jump over the fence. This is no different to the way other wildlife photographers work, such as Eric Hosking with his owls. You know ... if the photographer CAN prove the photo was taken in the wild, he may be able to sue the contest organizers, the contest judges and sundry others for LIBEL. I understand that's a BIG WIN if you can prove it, and British courts aren't bound by Sullivan v. NY Times. Here in the States, the standard response seems to be buying a gun, barging into the exhibition and killing everyone in sight. I think the British way works better. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped Love the tongue. Did you borrow a camera for this. Pentax would never focus fast enough. Not one of my shots, but you are right, Pentax wouldn't have AF'd fast enough for that. The EXIF identifies the camera as a Sony A200. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I think the British way works better. We might civilize you lot yet. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
From: Bob W Sounds like these guys are a bunch of wankers to me. First the pick a lousy pic for their winner, then they ban it on not much evidence. This is Mark Carwardine, one of the 'wankers': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY Yeah ... like that's NOT staged! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Bob W wrote: The story the photographer gave, as I recall from when I first saw the photo, is that this was routine behaviour of the wolf which he had witnessed many times. Accordingly he set up specially for it. He didn't just happen to be walking by with all his gear and suddenly see a wolf jump over the fence. This is no different to the way other wildlife photographers work, such as Eric Hosking with his owls. Bob I have no issue with habituated wild-living animals. I feed birds to get them close in and to get them used to seeing me around and then I create little natural looking perches for them to use while waiting to feed. The issue I have with this photographer is that he used a trained, captive animal (if the allegations are true; and he is not denying them in all accounts I've read he is 'unavailable for comment'). If I shoot captive birds and display those photographs to people, I mention they are captive and I wouldn't enter them into a wildlife contest that has rules against using captive animals. It's fraud. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
William Robb wrote: I hate to pooh pooh the wolf photo, but if the guy really had become familiar with said wolf's habits, it really would have been a fairly simple shot to take: Set up camera pointing at the fence section, set up an IR trigger to take a picture when the wolf broke the light beam, go have a beer and come back later to pick up the camera equipment. And that's his account of how he did it. Some experts have suggested that a wild wolf, skulking around, would not have jumped the fence but would have climbed through it. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
From: William Robb I hate to pooh pooh the wolf photo, but if the guy really had become familiar with said wolf's habits, it really would have been a fairly simple shot to take: Set up camera pointing at the fence section, set up an IR trigger to take a picture when the wolf broke the light beam, go have a beer and come back later to pick up the camera equipment. File an insurance claim the next morning because some low-life so-and-so walked off with your unattended camera equipment while you were drinking beer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
John Sessoms wrote: From: Ken Waller Do you have any idea how much effort time is required to even see a wolf in the wild ? I do. If that was an honest 'in the wild' shot it would be fantastic. To be there when not only a wolf appeared, but leaped over an obsticle and you were set up to capture it would truly be a lifetime event - IMO. The only way I can see it is if you somehow already knew the wolves were getting in over the gate, you might be able to set up a camera with a IR trigger like those deer cameras to catch it. I'd like to know more about what the photographer says was going on and how he captured the moment. This isn't a grabbed shot. It will never be an I was just in the right place at the right time pic. He claimed to know the wolf's habits and set up an IR camera trap according to the blurb next to the photo when I saw it in Australia. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
2010/1/21 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg While I know how difficult that wolf photo would have been to take (even if it was staged) it doesn't have ~near~ the excitement and dynamism of yours. That's a terrific photo! Sadly, it isn't one of mine. It is a terrific photo though. I hate to pooh pooh the wolf photo, but if the guy really had become familiar with said wolf's habits, it really would have been a fairly simple shot to take: Set up camera pointing at the fence section, set up an IR trigger to take a picture when the wolf broke the light beam, go have a beer and come back later to pick up the camera equipment. One of my favourite sequences of images I took last year was taken over 4 hours while I slept. I'm all for lazy photography. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped And that's his account of how he did it. Some experts have suggested that a wild wolf, skulking around, would not have jumped the fence but would have climbed through it. I expect that the first few times aid wolf encountered that fence, that would have been exactly how it would have gotten past it. Over time as the wolf became familiar with it and the surroundings, he would probably have taken to jumping it. This is giving the photographer the benefit of doubt that it is, in fact, a wild wolf and not a Malanois or Laekenois cross. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Rob Studdert wrote: On 21/01/2010, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Do you have any idea how much effort time is required to even see a wolf in the wild ? I do. If that was an honest 'in the wild' shot it would be fantastic. To be there when not only a wolf appeared, but leaped over an obsticle and you were set up to capture it would truly be a lifetime event - IMO. I'm with Frank on this one, I have no idea how difficult it is to shoot a wolf but I do know that it's not a great standalone image regardless. I'm firmly in the Rob and Frank camp here - In a competition or show how difficult it was for the photographer to get a shot should not be a consideration in judging the quality of the image... The photo should transcend that. We can all, as photographers, go wow on difficult captures, but if the photo itself isn't interesting aesthetically it shouldn't win a prize. And I don't care for the jumping wolf photo at all some others were so much more lovely to look at . meanwhile -- where is the runner-ups photo? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
In a message dated 1/20/2010 9:26:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, kwal...@peoplepc.com writes: Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f Do you have any idea how much effort time is required to even see a wolf in the wild ? I do. If that was an honest 'in the wild' shot it would be fantastic. To be there when not only a wolf appeared, but leaped over an obsticle and you were set up to capture it would truly be a lifetime event - IMO. == Right. I suspect that is why it started being called into question. Marnie aka Doe - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:29:15 -0600, you wrote: From: Bob W I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg That *is* brilliant! They should have Photoshopped in a trractor beam from a UFO in the upper left-hand corner... -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
The evidence at http://www.suomenluonto.fi/bbcs-nature-photo-competition-judge-admits-winner-photo-investigated-due-to-fraud-allegations seems pretty convincing that the location of the shot was the Cañada Real Center zoological park near Madrid. The stone wall could easily have been modified but I can't see anywhere else having those unique trees in the background. It has been stated that the photographer's disqualification was also determined by answers he gave to direct questions from the judges. We'll never know what the questions were but I'd bet that they included an inquiry as to exactly where the photographer *claimed* to have taken the shot. A comparison of that place to the zoological park would be adequate for the judges to be quite sure of what was happening. We'll never know for certain but willing to trust the judges on this; it would be quite easy and definitive. I've seen previous years' incarnations of this contest in London and there have always been some amazing shots. I've also always wondered if the judges weren't quite skeptical enough when accepting entries. The time I went I found the children's winners included a suprising number of 6-year-olds shooting with a Nikon F5 and 600mm f/4.0. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped The time I went I found the children's winners included a suprising number of 6-year-olds shooting with a Nikon F5 and 600mm f/4.0. Well, to be fair, the kid probably pushed the shutter button. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
The story the photographer gave, as I recall from when I first saw the photo, is that this was routine behaviour of the wolf which he had witnessed many times. Accordingly he set up specially for it. He didn't just happen to be walking by with all his gear and suddenly see a wolf jump over the fence. This is no different to the way other wildlife photographers work, such as Eric Hosking with his owls. Bob I have no issue with habituated wild-living animals. I feed birds to get them close in and to get them used to seeing me around and then I create little natural looking perches for them to use while waiting to feed. The issue I have with this photographer is that he used a trained, captive animal (if the allegations are true; and he is not denying them in all accounts I've read he is 'unavailable for comment'). If I shoot captive birds and display those photographs to people, I mention they are captive and I wouldn't enter them into a wildlife contest that has rules against using captive animals. It's fraud. Yes, sure - I'm not saying it isn't a fraud - I accept the judges' opinion on that. But Eric Hosking didn't photograph captive owls, he photographed wild owls using pre-focused cameras and flashes with trip wires, which is what the wolf photographer did. I'm only saying this to point out that the technique itself says nothing about the wildness or otherwise of the creature, contrary to the claims of some previous posters. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sadly, it isn't one of mine. It is a terrific photo though. I hate to pooh pooh the wolf photo, but if the guy really had become familiar with said wolf's habits, it really would have been a fairly simple shot to take: Set up camera pointing at the fence section, set up an IR trigger to take a picture when the wolf broke the light beam, go have a beer and come back later to pick up the camera equipment. The difficulty or ease of taking the photo is not what they judge things on in that competition. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb Yes. But that's still a great photo. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped The difficulty or ease of taking the photo is not what they judge things on in that competition. You keep saying this. I haven't seen a competition yet that judges the photos based on some Hurculean effort on the part of the photographer, so I'm not really certain of what point you are trying to make. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb Yes. But that's still a great photo. Would it be any more brillaint than any other picture of a dog going over a jump, perhaps at an agility trial? Is it the fact that it's a wolf that makes it special? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
The evidence at http://www.suomenluonto.fi/bbcs-nature-photo-competition-judge -admits-winner-photo-investigated-due-to-fraud-allegations seems pretty convincing that the location of the shot was the Cañada Real Center zoological park near Madrid. The stone wall could easily have been modified but I can't see anywhere else having those unique trees in the background. [...] As far as the wolf photo is concerned, since photos of captive animals are allowed in the competition he could have won a prize anyway if he'd been open about it. It really is a shame that he wasn't. I've seen previous years' incarnations of this contest in London and there have always been some amazing shots. I've also always wondered if the judges weren't quite skeptical enough when accepting entries. The time I went I found the children's winners included a suprising number of 6-year-olds shooting with a Nikon F5 and 600mm f/4.0. What is surprising about that? The children borrow their parents' equipment to shoot stuff in their back garden, their local park or even on safari in Africa. I've been to every one of these exhibitions for the last 15 years or so and I'm always impressed by the standard of all the photography, but in the most cases it's very obvious that the childrens' photos are indeed by children - they haven't just clicked the shutter on a parent's set-up. Obviously they wouldn't be wandering around the Okavango swamps with a 600/4 on their own, so their parents get some credit, but I for one certainly believe the kids' photos are their own. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Sounds like these guys are a bunch of wankers to me. First the pick a lousy pic for their winner, then they ban it on not much evidence. This is Mark Carwardine, one of the 'wankers': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY It's not him that's wanking. That has to be one of the best links I've ever seen posted here. Didn't you see it when the series was shown last year? It was a great series - Mark Cawardine's a very engaging character with a brain full of good stuff, and the relationship between him, the animals and Stephen Fry was superb. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:22:29 -, you wrote: As far as the wolf photo is concerned, since photos of captive animals are allowed in the competition he could have won a prize anyway if he'd been open about it. It really is a shame that he wasn't. I thought captive animals were prohibited? That's how I read the rules. (It's definitely how the judges interpret the rules!) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb Yes. But that's still a great photo. Would it be any more brillaint than any other picture of a dog going over a jump, perhaps at an agility trial? Is it the fact that it's a wolf that makes it special? Partly. But it's also the composition and the superior technical execution. And the rustic fence. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
The difficulty or ease of taking the photo is not what they judge things on in that competition. You keep saying this. I haven't seen a competition yet that judges the photos based on some Hurculean effort on the part of the photographer, so I'm not really certain of what point you are trying to make. I've only said it once. I said it because in other posts in this thread other people have pointed out that a shot should not get extra merit for being difficult to take. In one of your previous posts you went the other way and pooh-poohed it because it's easy to set up a shot on a trip wire and wait for a wolf to jump over the fence. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
As far as the wolf photo is concerned, since photos of captive animals are allowed in the competition he could have won a prize anyway if he'd been open about it. It really is a shame that he wasn't. I thought captive animals were prohibited? That's how I read the rules. (It's definitely how the judges interpret the rules!) They're allowed but you have to declare it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
From: Mark Roberts The evidence at http://www.suomenluonto.fi/bbcs-nature-photo-competition-judge-admits-winner-photo-investigated-due-to-fraud-allegations seems pretty convincing that the location of the shot was the Ca?ada Real Center zoological park near Madrid. The stone wall could easily have been modified but I can't see anywhere else having those unique trees in the background. It has been stated that the photographer's disqualification was also determined by answers he gave to direct questions from the judges. We'll never know what the questions were but I'd bet that they included an inquiry as to exactly where the photographer *claimed* to have taken the shot. A comparison of that place to the zoological park would be adequate for the judges to be quite sure of what was happening. We'll never know for certain but willing to trust the judges on this; it would be quite easy and definitive. I've seen previous years' incarnations of this contest in London and there have always been some amazing shots. I've also always wondered if the judges weren't quite skeptical enough when accepting entries. The time I went I found the children's winners included a suprising number of 6-year-olds shooting with a Nikon F5 and 600mm f/4.0. Which sort of brings me back around to my original reaction. The cogent argument for me is the question asked by the expert they consulted after the fact, Why is the wolf jumping high over the fence? More importantly, why did the contest judges NOT ask that question? That question alone should have prompted the judges to investigate BEFORE awarding the photographer first prize for the image. I don't KNOW if the photographer broke the rules or not. But there ain't no doubt the contest organizers screwed the pooch. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:42:32 -, you wrote: As far as the wolf photo is concerned, since photos of captive animals are allowed in the competition he could have won a prize anyway if he'd been open about it. It really is a shame that he wasn't. I thought captive animals were prohibited? That's how I read the rules. (It's definitely how the judges interpret the rules!) They're allowed but you have to declare it. Actually, what the rules say is Pictures of animal models or any other animals being exploited for profit may not be entered. Since the zoo in/near Madrid markets itself as a site for photographers to get shots of these animals, this is the rule under which the photo appears to have been disqualified, so even declaring it wouldn't have helped. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
From: Mark Roberts On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:22:29 -, you wrote: As far as the wolf photo is concerned, since photos of captive animals are allowed in the competition he could have won a prize anyway if he'd been open about it. It really is a shame that he wasn't. I thought captive animals were prohibited? That's how I read the rules. (It's definitely how the judges interpret the rules!) Don't know about the 2009 competition, but that's what it says for 2010. 8. Subjects and Ethics Only pictures of wild animals and plants and landscapes are eligible subjects. Images of domestic animals (cats, dogs, farm animals, etc) and cultivated plants (species or hybrids grown in a cultivated setting) do not count as wildlife. Pictures of captive animals (animals that do not live a free and wild existence) or involving baiting using live bait are not eligible, and any other baiting must be declared. Pictures of animal models or any other animals being exploited for profit may not be entered. Images of animals being restrained in any way are only accepted in the One Earth and Wildlife Photojournalism categories when illustrating an issue. The competition asks photographers to put the welfare of animals first and to safeguard their environment and that they do not do anything to injure or distress animals or destroy the environment in their attempt to get the shot. If the Owners or the Judges suspect that a picture was taken using cruel or unethical practices, the entry will be disqualified. [paragraph breaks added to improve readability] http://www.nhm.ac.uk/visit-us/whats-on/temporary-exhibitions/wpy-entry/Rules.jsp;jsessionid=9C2AD3C31408B8479F7BDCF9919607F4 http://tinyurl.com/yhgu3wr -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb I managed to capture a wolf attack ;-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93652625 He likes to play football too http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/121289483 and frisbee http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/106555213 -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb I managed to capture a wolf attack ;-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93652625 That's a superb photo. [...] Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
As far as the wolf photo is concerned, since photos of captive animals are allowed in the competition he could have won a prize anyway if he'd been open about it. It really is a shame that he wasn't. I thought captive animals were prohibited? That's how I read the rules. (It's definitely how the judges interpret the rules!) They're allowed but you have to declare it. Actually, what the rules say is Pictures of animal models or any other animals being exploited for profit may not be entered. Since the zoo in/near Madrid markets itself as a site for photographers to get shots of these animals, this is the rule under which the photo appears to have been disqualified, so even declaring it wouldn't have helped. My mistake. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:29 -0600, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg 'More brilliant'? Debatable. More scary? Definitely! Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
wendy beard wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb I managed to capture a wolf attack ;-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93652625 He likes to play football too http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/121289483 and frisbee http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/106555213 Terrifc shots, Wendy! Especially 1 and 3 ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:22 -0500, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: The issue I have with this photographer is that he used a trained, captive animal (if the allegations are true; and he is not denying them in all accounts I've read he is 'unavailable for comment'). According to the press release issued by the organisers, Mr Rodriguez strongly denies that the wolf in the image is a model wolf. http://dpnow.com/6707.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On 21/1/10, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: We're all wankers. Some more than others. I'll buy that ! Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
The timing of his disqualification makes me think the judges missed it and it was pointed out to them or the organization after the fact. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped You know, the problem I have with it isn't that they decided it was staged; it's that they didn't decide that until AFTER they had already awarded it the first prize. Every reason cited for rejecting it after the fact should have been apparent before it won. Ok, so he (maybe) didn't follow the contest rules; it sure looks like that from the image ... but how stupid do the judges have to be to not notice that BEFORE choosing the guy as Wildlife Photographer of the Year? 20:20 hindsight is a wonderful thing. Look at the fake Vermeers that Van Meegeren made and you wonder how the hell all those experts could be fooled by such obvious crap but to a large extent we see what we want to see. If the photographer proves that it was indeed a wild wolf, it will suddenly become a brilliant shot again. If one of Van Meegeren's daub is suddenly revealed to be a genuine Vermeer it will become a masterpiece. I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. The Van Meegerens are all still shit though. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped - Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg While I know how difficult that wolf photo would have been to take (even if it was staged) it doesn't have ~near~ the excitement and dynamism of yours. That's a terrific photo! Sadly, it isn't one of mine. It is a terrific photo though. I hate to pooh pooh the wolf photo, but if the guy really had become familiar with said wolf's habits, it really would have been a fairly simple shot to take: You could spend weeks/months 'becomming familiar with the wolf's habits', assuming you first located the wolf (ves) Set up camera pointing at the fence section, set up an IR trigger to take a picture when the wolf broke the light beam, go have a beer and come back later to pick up the camera equipment. You could spend weeks/months after finding the wolf waiting for it to pass by, and hopefully jumping over the obsticle. If it was as easy as you state, you'd think we'd see some of those type shots, I know I for one haven't. . William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good crisp shots, Wendy! Timing, flawless. Jack --- On Thu, 1/21/10, wendy beard pointyp...@gmail.com wrote: From: wendy beard pointyp...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 12:52 PM On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I think the wolf photo is brilliant, even if it doesn't comply with the competition rules. Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb I managed to capture a wolf attack ;-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93652625 He likes to play football too http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/121289483 and frisbee http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/106555213 -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: wendy beard pointyp...@gmail.com I managed to capture a wolf attack ;-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93652625 He likes to play football too http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/121289483 and frisbee http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/106555213 -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada Wow, Wendy, those are great photos. Really nice! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb Yes. But that's still a great photo. Would it be any more brillaint than any other picture of a dog going over a jump, perhaps at an agility trial? Is it the fact that it's a wolf that makes it special? It definitely is for me given the rarity of wild wolves and the knowledge that dogs generally are domesticated and can be trained to repsond to their masters wishes. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:52 PM, wendy beard pointyp...@gmail.com wrote: I managed to capture a wolf attack ;-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/93652625 He likes to play football too http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/121289483 and frisbee http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/106555213 That first one is stunning! Amazing shot! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Here's a little controversy that popped up on the DP Review Pentax forum a few weeks back regarding the Pentax Photo Gallery. Two photos from the same photographer: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3826178language=EN EXIF says the exposure time was 31 min and 29 sec and it certainly looks that way from the star trails. http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3190723language=EN EXIF indicates an exposure time of 16 min and 38 sec, half the time of the first shot but the star trails aren't half as long, they're non-existent! Also, there's no dimming or diffusion of the stars close to the horizon from passing through more atmosphere and low-level airborne dust like the first photo: The stars are clear and bright all the way down to the horizon. Almost as if the sky was pasted in from another photo... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:40:48 -0500 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg That *is* brilliant! They should have Photoshopped in a trractor beam from a UFO in the upper left-hand corner... broken hover-dog goes w tilt -- Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped
Mark - um I think the links are reversed :-) ann Mark Roberts wrote: Here's a little controversy that popped up on the DP Review Pentax forum a few weeks back regarding the Pentax Photo Gallery. Two photos from the same photographer: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3826178language=EN EXIF says the exposure time was 31 min and 29 sec and it certainly looks that way from the star trails. http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3190723language=EN EXIF indicates an exposure time of 16 min and 38 sec, half the time of the first shot but the star trails aren't half as long, they're non-existent! Also, there's no dimming or diffusion of the stars close to the horizon from passing through more atmosphere and low-level airborne dust like the first photo: The stars are clear and bright all the way down to the horizon. Almost as if the sky was pasted in from another photo... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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ann sanfedele wrote: Mark - um I think the links are reversed :-) Looks that way. But I'm sure everyone here is smart enough to figure it out anyway. Mark Roberts wrote: Here's a little controversy that popped up on the DP Review Pentax forum a few weeks back regarding the Pentax Photo Gallery. Two photos from the same photographer: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3826178language=EN EXIF says the exposure time was 31 min and 29 sec and it certainly looks that way from the star trails. http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3190723language=EN EXIF indicates an exposure time of 16 min and 38 sec, half the time of the first shot but the star trails aren't half as long, they're non-existent! Also, there's no dimming or diffusion of the stars close to the horizon from passing through more atmosphere and low-level airborne dust like the first photo: The stars are clear and bright all the way down to the horizon. Almost as if the sky was pasted in from another photo... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree with Ken - I've spent 10 summers in Michigan Upper Penninsula, I've seen one wolf. The wolf photo is still up at the Detroit Exhibit. Bill Sawyer -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ken Waller Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:21 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped Is it any more brillaint than this? http://www.akamairottweilers.ca/flying%20kratos.jpg William Robb Yes. But that's still a great photo. Would it be any more brillaint than any other picture of a dog going over a jump, perhaps at an agility trial? Is it the fact that it's a wolf that makes it special? It definitely is for me given the rarity of wild wolves and the knowledge that dogs generally are domesticated and can be trained to repsond to their masters wishes. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped You could spend weeks/months 'becomming familiar with the wolf's habits', assuming you first located the wolf (ves) Set up camera pointing at the fence section, set up an IR trigger to take a picture when the wolf broke the light beam, go have a beer and come back later to pick up the camera equipment. You could spend weeks/months after finding the wolf waiting for it to pass by, and hopefully jumping over the obsticle. Since it was, apparently, a captive wolf, it's kind of moot, isn't it? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped I've only said it once. I said it because in other posts in this thread other people have pointed out that a shot should not get extra merit for being difficult to take. In one of your previous posts you went the other way and pooh-poohed it because it's easy to set up a shot on a trip wire and wait for a wolf to jump over the fence. That was in direct reply to a poster implying that the wolf photo would have been difficult to take. Odds are, it wasn't. Fer gawds sake Bob, the other day I pushed a few items of detritus that were sitting on my kitchen counter together and took a picture of it. A few people commented that it was a nice enough picture. This is not to imply that it was an award winner, but to indicate that I know that good photography doesn't have to bust one's balls. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped It definitely is for me given the rarity of wild wolves and the knowledge that dogs generally are domesticated and can be trained to repsond to their masters wishes. And now that you know that it is a domesticated wolf. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Look closely, he just used a big flash in the photo without star trails. :-) Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Here's a little controversy that popped up on the DP Review Pentax forum a few weeks back regarding the Pentax Photo Gallery. Two photos from the same photographer: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3826178language=EN EXIF says the exposure time was 31 min and 29 sec and it certainly looks that way from the star trails. http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3190723language=EN EXIF indicates an exposure time of 16 min and 38 sec, half the time of the first shot but the star trails aren't half as long, they're non-existent! Also, there's no dimming or diffusion of the stars close to the horizon from passing through more atmosphere and low-level airborne dust like the first photo: The stars are clear and bright all the way down to the horizon. Almost as if the sky was pasted in from another photo... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Look closely, he just used a big flash in the photo without star trails. :-) Regards, Bob S. I don't think he used a flash or any artificial light. The light extends too far into the background, and it's too uniform. However, it could be a combination of two exposures. One shot before the ball dropped, the other after dark. Paul On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Here's a little controversy that popped up on the DP Review Pentax forum a few weeks back regarding the Pentax Photo Gallery. Two photos from the same photographer: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3826178language=EN EXIF says the exposure time was 31 min and 29 sec and it certainly looks that way from the star trails. http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3190723language=EN EXIF indicates an exposure time of 16 min and 38 sec, half the time of the first shot but the star trails aren't half as long, they're non-existent! Also, there's no dimming or diffusion of the stars close to the horizon from passing through more atmosphere and low-level airborne dust like the first photo: The stars are clear and bright all the way down to the horizon. Almost as if the sky was pasted in from another photo... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts ann sanfedele wrote: Mark - um I think the links are reversed :-) Looks that way. But I'm sure everyone here is smart enough to figure it out anyway. Mark Roberts wrote: Here's a little controversy that popped up on the DP Review Pentax forum a few weeks back regarding the Pentax Photo Gallery. Two photos from the same photographer: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3826178language=EN EXIF says the exposure time was 31 min and 29 sec and it certainly looks that way from the star trails. http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3190723language=EN EXIF indicates an exposure time of 16 min and 38 sec, half the time of the first shot but the star trails aren't half as long, they're non-existent! Also, there's no dimming or diffusion of the stars close to the horizon from passing through more atmosphere and low-level airborne dust like the first photo: The stars are clear and bright all the way down to the horizon. Almost as if the sky was pasted in from another photo... I do see what you're getting at. One thing though, they might have been taken on different dates with different atmospheric seeing. I don't think that's enough to account for the difference in trail length, but it might account for some of the difference in dimming near the horizon. And the longer exposure is facing towards some kind of light on or over the horizon which also makes the star trails dim as they neared the horizon. Still, the shorter exposure should have longer star trails. I don't have any experience with the Pentax Photo Gallery, so I don't know if it picks up the exposure time from the EXIF or if the photographer has to enter it for the photo. It might be a composite or it might be HDR. Many of his other landscapes have a real HDR look to them. They are some stunning images. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: paul stenquist On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Look closely, he just used a big flash in the photo without star trails. :-) Regards, Bob S. I don't think he used a flash or any artificial light. The light extends too far into the background, and it's too uniform. However, it could be a combination of two exposures. One shot before the ball dropped, the other after dark. That's a pretty hard edge shadow extending from that table thingy and from the low walls on the right side of the house in the photo without the star trails. There's some kind of hard light source to the camera's left. Car headlights perhaps? High beams could do that. The light is uniform in the one that does have the star trails. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped - Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped You could spend weeks/months 'becomming familiar with the wolf's habits', assuming you first located the wolf (ves) Set up camera pointing at the fence section, set up an IR trigger to take a picture when the wolf broke the light beam, go have a beer and come back later to pick up the camera equipment. You could spend weeks/months after finding the wolf waiting for it to pass by, and hopefully jumping over the obsticle. Since it was, apparently, a captive wolf, it's kind of moot, isn't it? Yep, but originally it was presented as wild , IIRC William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:08 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Here in the States, the standard response seems to be buying a gun, barging into the exhibition and killing everyone in sight. I think the British way works better. What, a knife instead of a gun? Dave (in my city the modus operandi seems to involve a knife and a river) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: Mark - um I think the links are reversed :-) Looks that way. But I'm sure everyone here is smart enough to figure it out anyway. ya think? a Mark Roberts wrote: Here's a little controversy that popped up on the DP Review Pentax forum a few weeks back regarding the Pentax Photo Gallery. Two photos from the same photographer: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3826178language=EN EXIF says the exposure time was 31 min and 29 sec and it certainly looks that way from the star trails. http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=2245441subSubSection=3190723language=EN EXIF indicates an exposure time of 16 min and 38 sec, half the time of the first shot but the star trails aren't half as long, they're non-existent! Also, there's no dimming or diffusion of the stars close to the horizon from passing through more atmosphere and low-level airborne dust like the first photo: The stars are clear and bright all the way down to the horizon. Almost as if the sky was pasted in from another photo... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Stripped of the award he won, that is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8470962.stm While in Sydney I saw the exhibition and the photo in question at the Australian Museum. Next to this photo was a news article about the controversy and questions about whether it would be disqualified. I'm happy to see it disqualified and the photographer being banned for life from the competition. He's gonna have a real hard time entering any competitions and restoring his credibility. The sad part is that there were some other really really great photos there that could have won the top honors. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:28 -0500, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Stripped of the award he won, that is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8470962.stm While in Sydney I saw the exhibition and the photo in question at the Australian Museum. Next to this photo was a news article about the controversy and questions about whether it would be disqualified. I'm happy to see it disqualified and the photographer being banned for life from the competition. He's gonna have a real hard time entering any competitions and restoring his credibility. The sad part is that there were some other really really great photos there that could have won the top honors. Well, I dunno. I know nothing of Mr Rodriguez and whether he has a track record in this sort of thing but life banning seems a bit harsh. From the information I've seen the judges can't know for certain that the wolf was a 'model' as they seem to have based their ruling on examination of photos only. What do the owners of the wolf have to say? I agree that life banning is appropriate if there is proof that he cheated but I haven't seen that proof. Of course, Mr Rodriguez might come out of this OK on the basis of any publicity is good publicity. I haven't seen the exhibition yet but I'll try to get down to the Aust Museum later today. It will be interesting to see if the photo has been removed. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Christian Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Stripped of the award he won, that is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8470962.stm While in Sydney I saw the exhibition and the photo in question at the Australian Museum. Next to this photo was a news article about the controversy and questions about whether it would be disqualified. I'm happy to see it disqualified and the photographer being banned for life from the competition. He's gonna have a real hard time entering any competitions and restoring his credibility. The sad part is that there were some other really really great photos there that could have won the top honors. It looked staged to me, but in the article the photographer denies it was an animal actor. What I don't understand is how they passed it in the first place. Does it look any more staged now than it did then? The basis given for the judges subsequent determination isn't sufficient for me. I'm not satisfied their after the fact investigation PROVED it was staged. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/1/10, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: Stripped of the award he won, that is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8470962.stm Oops, sorry posted before I saw this :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped From: Christian Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Stripped of the award he won, that is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8470962.stm While in Sydney I saw the exhibition and the photo in question at the Australian Museum. Next to this photo was a news article about the controversy and questions about whether it would be disqualified. I'm happy to see it disqualified and the photographer being banned for life from the competition. He's gonna have a real hard time entering any competitions and restoring his credibility. The sad part is that there were some other really really great photos there that could have won the top honors. It looked staged to me, but in the article the photographer denies it was an animal actor. What I don't understand is how they passed it in the first place. Does it look any more staged now than it did then? The basis given for the judges subsequent determination isn't sufficient for me. I'm not satisfied their after the fact investigation PROVED it was staged. I agree but it is THEIR contest. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I agree but it is THEIR contest. Honestly? I don't think it's that great a photo even if it's not staged. Yeah, I guess catching a wild wolf doing that at night would be pretty amazing, but that isn't enough to make it a good photo. It's not at all dynamic, the wolf is frozen in air, I mean hell, it looks like it could be a stuffed animal! I could see why they think it's staged - whether that's enough to ban it, I don't know. Sounds like these guys are a bunch of wankers to me. First the pick a lousy pic for their winner, then they ban it on not much evidence. This doesn't look good on anybody involved. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped This doesn't look good on anybody involved. It's not even a very good Malinois. (Sorry Wendy, It's an old joke) William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: frank theriault On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I agree but it is THEIR contest. Honestly? I don't think it's that great a photo even if it's not staged. Yeah, I guess catching a wild wolf doing that at night would be pretty amazing, but that isn't enough to make it a good photo. It's not at all dynamic, the wolf is frozen in air, I mean hell, it looks like it could be a stuffed animal! I could see why they think it's staged - whether that's enough to ban it, I don't know. Sounds like these guys are a bunch of wankers to me. First the pick a lousy pic for their winner, then they ban it on not much evidence. This doesn't look good on anybody involved. You know, the problem I have with it isn't that they decided it was staged; it's that they didn't decide that until AFTER they had already awarded it the first prize. Every reason cited for rejecting it after the fact should have been apparent before it won. Ok, so he (maybe) didn't follow the contest rules; it sure looks like that from the image ... but how stupid do the judges have to be to not notice that BEFORE choosing the guy as Wildlife Photographer of the Year? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Wildlife photographer Stripped On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I agree but it is THEIR contest. Honestly? I don't think it's that great a photo even if it's not staged. Yeah, I guess catching a wild wolf doing that at night would be pretty amazing, but that isn't enough to make it a good photo. Do you have any idea how much effort time is required to even see a wolf in the wild ? I do. If that was an honest 'in the wild' shot it would be fantastic. To be there when not only a wolf appeared, but leaped over an obsticle and you were set up to capture it would truly be a lifetime event - IMO. It's not at all dynamic, the wolf is frozen in air, I mean hell, it looks like it could be a stuffed animal! I could see why they think it's staged - whether that's enough to ban it, I don't know. Sounds like these guys are a bunch of wankers to me. First the pick a lousy pic for their winner, then they ban it on not much evidence. I agree - why did it ever make it thru the initialjudging. This doesn't look good on anybody involved. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/01/2010, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Do you have any idea how much effort time is required to even see a wolf in the wild ? I do. If that was an honest 'in the wild' shot it would be fantastic. To be there when not only a wolf appeared, but leaped over an obsticle and you were set up to capture it would truly be a lifetime event - IMO. I'm with Frank on this one, I have no idea how difficult it is to shoot a wolf but I do know that it's not a great standalone image regardless. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.