Re: [Phono-L] Phonos for sale
Aw Man! --- On Fri, 2/11/11, Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonos for sale To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 5:53 PM Hold it Don, I can DOUBLE John's offer and take 8 years to pay! :) -Scott -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 1:13 PM To: phonolist Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonos for sale I'll take the Reginaphone if you give me 4 years to pay. --Original Message-- From: Don Henry Kelly Peters Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonolist ReplyTo: phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Phonos for sale Sent: Feb 11, 2011 1:09 PM Hi All: A few items going on the chopping block: Victor VI w/wood horn $4900; Edison Triumph w/wood cygnet $2700; rare Columbia paneled wood horn, needs work, $500; Zonophone Grand Opera rear mount with Green horn, $1800, Edison Spring Motor $2800, Early Edison Home w/ banner lid, $500, Reginaphone Model 240 with Lionsheads, restored $8200. Thanks. Don Henry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Florida repair persons?
Reproducer needs repair (it's in two pieces), cabinet needs refinishing or at east spiffing up, and grille needs to be replaced (I've sourced that already), motor needs cleaning and lubrication. She wants to sell it though, so I don't think she wants to lay out too much money. I recommended she clean the cabinet and use a beeswax polish to bring out the color, and get the reproducer fixed. I am guessing the tail spring needs replacing as the weight is separated from the top housing. She is located in Newport. John --- On Tue, 2/8/11, Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: From: Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Florida repair persons? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 9:15 PM John, What kind of work has to be done? Thanks, Steve http://www.thetalkingmachineco.com On Feb 8, 2011, at 10:17 PM, john robles wrote: Hi all I have a contact in Florida (near Clearwater and St, Petersburg) who needs some work done on a Diamond Disc phonograph, C-150 Sheraton. Anybody know anyone there?? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Gem motor
Hello all Anyone got a Gem motor for a model D maroon Gem? A friend got the body and needs the guts or he may consider any parts thereof. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Florida repair persons?
Hi all I have a contact in Florida (near Clearwater and St, Petersburg) who needs some work done on a Diamond Disc phonograph, C-150 Sheraton. Anybody know anyone there?? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget
It may be coming. I am not sure I want to divulge this, but I have bee in discussion and negotiation to have it newly made...more later. John Robles --- On Mon, 2/7/11, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Let us not forget To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 3:03 PM Is this title being newly made? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
Beautiful machine..I wonder who r***r is? He bid a lotta times... --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 5:03 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=190474888084 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
More than that. At the CAPS show last August, Vic VIs were selling (or not selling) for $4700. John --- On Tue, 1/25/11, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 6:52 PM I also followed this auction. I made a couple of posts in another forum on this topic. I can't believe how high this went. I can't sell a Standard for $300.00. Go figure. That seller must be laughing all the way to the bank. For that kind of money, you can get an Edison Opera.or a Victor VI. Harvey Kravitz From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 6:42:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph I didn't watch this auction..why did it command such a high price? On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.netwrote: Wow! At least I know it was a honest auction. I have bought a couple of nice machines from the seller. I live 30 minutes from him and picked them up. He allowed me to see some of his other machines and big radio collection. his items are always very nice and they bring better than average prices. Tim http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=190474888084 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
I didn't wanna say that...but I agree. --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: From: Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 7:01 PM I have been watching Firebottles auctions for 3 years. The seller's machines all have the same identical finish and luster on them. In my opinion, he resprays them. His auctions always bring values which are way our of line and the bidding historys have a pattern of the same person upping their bids several times near the end. If it looks like a duck... On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:52 PM, harvey kravitz wrote: I also followed this auction. I made a couple of posts in another forum on this topic. I can't believe how high this went. I can't sell a Standard for $300.00. Go figure. That seller must be laughing all the way to the bank. For that kind of money, you can get an Edison Opera.or a Victor VI. Harvey Kravitz From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 6:42:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph I didn't watch this auction..why did it command such a high price? On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.netwrote: Wow! At least I know it was a honest auction. I have bought a couple of nice machines from the seller. I live 30 minutes from him and picked them up. He allowed me to see some of his other machines and big radio collection. his items are always very nice and they bring better than average prices. Tim http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=190474888084 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sympathies to our collector friend Barry Kasindorf
Barry is indeed a nice person, I have dealt with him on and offline, and value his friendship. I would urge those who wish to do so to leave a message of support in the online guest book available at the link to the obituary. John Robles --- On Sun, 1/23/11, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote: From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Sympathies to our collector friend Barry Kasindorf To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 7:13 AM It's truly a small world after all. Some of you may know Barry Kasindorf who posts to the list periodically. I've known Barry for over 25 years (though we only met - physically - once - at a phonograph show) as a fellow phonograph collector and was shocked (and saddened) to read about his wife Debbie's passing on a Folk Music newsgroup I am active on. (I didn't know that Barry and Debbie ran house concerts.) When I saw the name Kasindorf and Franklin House Concerts , I headed to my old MAPS directory and saw that Barry and Debbie lived in FRANKLIN, MA) Here is a link to the obituary. There was a memorial service yesterday. I'm sure that members of MOCAPS (Mass. Phono Society) knew about this tragic loss but for those who, like me, know Barry only through the newsgroups) I wanted to share the sad news. http://tinyurl.com/4s9zwba My sympathies go out to Barry and their sons. Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dealers (Not) taking advantance of collectors
To respond, I did point out one actual instance where I was taken advantage of, and this person took advantage of many people, downright stealing rare machines, never paying for them, etc. That's one substantiated case. But where I said (and I am quoting myself here) I don't think dealers formed a cartel to take advantage of collectors, but there may be a few that have done so. I meant there may be a few dealers who take advantage; I did not mean that those dealers formed a cartel to cheat people. That's pretty preposterous. I should have made a distinction. So my point is A. I DON'T believe there are dealer cartels to cheat collectors and B there may be a few dealers who have cheated people. That exists in many fields of business. For myself I have only met the one, so please don't think I am being 'anti-dealer' in any way. I buy and sell phonos, parts and records myself with fair regularity. John --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dealers (Not) taking advantance of collectors To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 12:35 PM I disagree with the generalized statement about “Dealers taking advantage of collectors”. It’s ok to accuse, but to say “.. there may have been a few…” to form a cartel to take advantage of collectors”, should be substantiated. What evidence do you have? This is not a fair statement and it’s still unfair if you say I don’t think so…. I think that bitter taste described from a big time parts dealer in California (wow, a very large net) has caused some loss of objectivity here. It’s not fair and reasonable to describe one bad incident (for whatever reason) and assume others in the dealer group behave that way. We should think about eBay in a more objective way too. First, I think trading on eBay like any other trading venue has risks and rewards. I’m reminded of the old adage about low prices: “The bitterness of poor __ (fill in the product, service, quality) remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”. If I legitimate phonograph dealer is selling on eBay, if you choose to do business with him/her chances are you’ll be treated better and get a better value. He may in fact require a minimum price as he has to allow not only for his product cost, but inventory risk, assumed warranty or customer satisfaction risk, gross profit, taxes and other costs of doing business, in some cases some level of overhead, even if working out of his house. I think eBay’s low prices often show the big difference (risk/reward) of buying from an opportunistic seller rather than established dealer with staying power. Unfortunately, for some dealers, they’ve had to sell some inventory to get much needed cash in this weakened economy. Fortunate for collectors, this could be shaping up to be a very long “buyer’s market”. I don’t understand why our phonograph dealers get beat up so frequently. Are we becoming more cynical? My experience 99% of the time has been positive. I’m amazed to watch dealers as recent as the Orlando show this week, have to put up with ‘the public’ or collectors that will pick a dealer’s brain for free information, valuable experience, years of knowledge, then dicker with him over a couple of bucks. I’m glad I’m not a dealer because I couldn’t stay positive and happy dealing with some of ungrateful, who say, I can get it cheaper, or your prices are out of line, or I can make or buy that myself for a lot less. If you don’t want to buy, be polite and just walk away and don’t forget to say thank you as it’s good manners and at least you’re giving something back to the dealer that incurred the cost of attending the show. How bad is it? Pretty bad. The Orlando Phonograph Show organizers have for years encouraged collectors to attend the informal, free “Dealer swap” in the parking lot on Friday. I think this is as much fun as the show on Saturday. Now the numbers of people attending the free show (to save a very small $8.00) is growing and taking away from the much needed income from the Saturday show. This isn’t meant to be a “let’s stick up for dealers” message. And it's aimed back at anyone on this board. We need to seriously examine our own behavior in this fun phono-centric hobby. I’ve been a long time collector, researcher, restorer, with a focus on the fun of the hobby. Overall, I’ve benefitted from some financial gains and losses although that hasn’t been my focus. As they say in Las Vegas, you’re losses are what you pay for the fun and entertainment. We can include the benefit of knowledge about a very wide variety of subjects (music, mechanical, wood finishing, electrical, technology, history and much more) and some very good friends! Going forward, we shouldn’t use such a broad brush to paint phonograph dealers in such a negative light. When clubs,
Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356
It's starting to look to me like all phonograph collectors have Porsches, Triumphs and MGs...maybe we need to start Porsche-L?? :-) John --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 9:30 AM Sooo Jerry, did you sell the 356 and keep the VW diesel rabbit? Inquiring minds want to know. Mike Oldcranky On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Jan and Harold dynawh...@shaw.ca wrote: I couldn't agree with you more Jerry. My ex had one. I loved driving that car. Some people called it a glorified VW, but it had power galore! There were a number of times that guys came over and opened the car door for me when I drove that carI knew it wasn't me because it never happened once when I drove the old Toyota :) Jan Victoria BC On 2011-01-21, at 9:57 PM, DeeDee Blais wrote: I was going to let this British car stuff run its course but I can't help myself. You have not driven a car until you've experienced a Porsche 356. The car begged to be driven. When it turned 90,000 miles we drove it 90 mph and it wanted to go faster. It started every time and you didn't need to keep AAA on the speed dial. It did mark its spot in the garage but that was a small price to pay. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dealers taking advantance of collectors
I agree. The age of eBay has been a curse and a blessing. A blessing in that phonos aremuch easier to find than before eBay, and a curse because now the market is somewhat saturated, at least with common machines, and prices have dropped accordingly so if you have one to sell that you paid a lot for in the earlier years, your investment may not see a good return, I don't think dealers formed a cartel to take advantage of collectors, but there may be a few that have done so. You find that in every field however, not just in the phono field. I dealt with one bigtime parts dealer in California who was an out and out liar and thief and had a long list of people he cheated, but thankfully he's gone. He left a bitter taste in my mouth for years and it was a very long time before I trusted the person who took over his business, but now I buy lots of parts from them. The old owner sold me what they represented to be a mint condition Home model D bedplate, and when I got it it turned out to be repainted with new decals. I returned it, and they never sent me my money back despite repeated calls. Finally my credit card company returned my money. Thank goodness I used a card!! John Robles --- On Fri, 1/21/11, Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dealers taking advantance of collectors To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:21 PM I never felt taken advantage of, nor did I ever felt I took advantage of anyone else in 36 years of collecting and selling. It was a matter of supply and demand. Years ago, phonographs were hard to find (at least for me on the west coast). If someone had one for sale, you either paid their price or you walked (ok, maybe a little bargaining took place). Now with ebay, Craig's list, and everything else, phonos are a click away (supply up, prices down). Adjustments take place in most markets. Truthfully, I feel phonographs have held up pretty well between the internet and the economy. While a few of our machines have lost a little, others I could never find another at the high price that I paid at the time. The real benefit from my years in the hobby was the joy of the find. But even that paled in comparison to the joy of the people I met and the friendship the hobby started. I would gladly pay an outrageous' price again if only some of those dear friends in the hobby were still with us today. -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of phonofo...@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:18 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Let's face it folks us collectors were taken advantage of for decades...yes decades for both vogue picture records and your most common phonographs. Dealers knew these records were not rare and the same goes for your common Edison, columbia and victor horned machines but collectors agreed to pay outrageous prices on this merchandise. Actually ebay, and also the economy, has worked in favor of the collector in that both have taken the wind out of the sales (or sails) of the dealers whom I would say for a good 30 plus years contolled the prices of the phonograph market. Prices are now at more realistic levels than ever before and I do hope they stay realistic for years to come. -Original Message- From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder hi all ell me about it have three copies of warsaw concerto ol ts still all good n a message dated 1/17/2011 2:56:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, inyl.visi...@live.com writes: he same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which t the time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare ime scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours n the phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. nd then, when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because ou just never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder han doing a search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no ne in America ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and emand, as well as a new generation of people who inherited a collection from heir dad or grandfather and would rather have a new loud muffler on their apanese car or a stereo to blow the body panels off... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much
Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram
No rush..my god passed away and left me with $1600 in vet bills...my phono purchases have sort of taken a downturn for the moment... Thanks John --- On Wed, 1/19/11, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:28 PM Hi. Still looking. Not found any (duplicates yet) but am sorting out our duplicate holdings so found a lot more other stuff (phono, gram, radio ) :) Best, Darren ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ On 31 dec 2010, at 19.05, john robles wrote: Thank you Darren, no hurry. John --- On Fri, 12/31/10, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 8:27 AM Possibly a couple but I cannot check for a day or two until after the holiday. Darren ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ On 31 dec 2010, at 14.23, john robles wrote: Does anyone have copies of the New Phonogram available for sale?? Repros are acceptable. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Original Charleston
THAT'S THE ONE I HAVE! Not Whiteman, it's Isham Jones on Brunswick. I got them mixed up. I have the Whiteman version on a CD. From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 7:05:06 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Original Charleston Here is a recording of the Original Charleston by Isham Jones on Brunswick from 1926: http://www.archive.org/details/IshamJonesHisOrchestra ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Travesty...
I've been exposed! :-) --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 8:24 AM Look here, http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-78rpm-Phonograph-Record-CHARLESTON-/110636618925?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c274d4ad MS On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:06 AM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: John9ten -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:42:05 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... What is your eBay user name? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:45:12 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... I just listed the Charleston on ebay yesterday and it is at $20 already. A lot of others like it too. Of course the song is popular, but this version is extremely '20s jazzy'. My taste is pretty eclectic. Some collect to get great numbers of records, I collect pretty much only what I like. I buy some things for resale too of course, but if a record is rare and I don't care for the music, I won't keep it just for the rarity issue. John --- On Sun, 1/16/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 8:13 AM Not bad... your taste in music is similar to mine, according to the titles you mentioned. I like 20's blues and jazz - Ben Selvin is one of my favorites. Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:35:35 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... There was Mamie Smith singing Crazy Blues..Ben Selvin on Vocalion playing the Charleston, and Sousa's Band playing Maple Leaf Rag...ummm...there are a lot of others I haven't gone through yet. I am sure there'll be some nice stuff. There were 15 boxes, about 300 records or so. I also bought 33 Diamond Discs, nothing spectacular but all in very good condition. nicer than most I have seen. Also bought 147 cylinder records, both 2 and 4 minute. no 5000s though. John --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:38 PM I forgot to ask: did you get any good records? From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:05:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... Nothing like some steel wool and maybe a little cleanser to really bring out the shine in gold leaf... :) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:58:42 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Travesty... Hey everyone! I went to buy some records locally that were being sold by the daugher of the man that owned them. He passed away 20 years ago and all has been in storage. The real story is that she had sold his phonographs a few years back, and one was a...well, she said there was this one Victrola that was all gold leafed.. I asked if it had paintings on the front and sides. She said it did. So it was a Vernis Martin...and she sold it to some guy for $7500.00. he flew to LA to see it, and she said he was sorta disappointed in the condition on one side because My mother tried to clean it with steel wool!! he bought it anyway though. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Very true. There is a shop in town that has something like 6 or 7 of them at an average $50 each, and they offered me a ten percent discount, and I am still having trouble parting with the money cuz they don't have that kind of value any more. I remember when I could have bought them at that price and sold for at least twice the money. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:56 AM The same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which at the time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare time scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours on the phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. And then, when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because you just never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder than doing a search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no one in America ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and demand, as well as a new generation of people who inherited a collection from their dad or grandfather and would rather have a new loud muffler on their Japanese car or a stereo to blow the body panels off... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to collect something different it is always at the top of the market, regardless of the economy..[?] Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
I often think that when something common goes high on ebay it is because someone the seller knows is shilling it. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:59 AM It cracks me up what items sell on ebay. Several years ago, I bought an incomplete Berliner on ebay for $750.00. I was missing the horn, elbow and some screws. I have since completed the machine. At the same time, a VV IX went for $1500.00!! Just recently, a Standard model F went for $6100.00!! Now there is a rigid arm Victor E going for $950.00 with a few hours to go. It could go up in the last few minutes of the auction. Those are my observations of ebay. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Agreed, I out a Vaughn DeLeath cylinder on there recently, number 5666, admittedly a high number, recorded in 1929. I ALMOST put a buy it now price of $100, but I didn't. Good thing, because it went for $500!!! --- On Mon, 1/17/11, The Farmers g...@usfamily.net wrote: From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 12:37 PM Of course it could be shilling sometimes, but then I've been thrilled to see how high some of the common things I've sold on ebay have gone, and I KNOW there was no shilling. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder I often think that when something common goes high on ebay it is because someone the seller knows is shilling it. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:59 AM It cracks me up what items sell on ebay. Several years ago, I bought an incomplete Berliner on ebay for $750.00. I was missing the horn, elbow and some screws. I have since completed the machine. At the same time, a VV IX went for $1500.00!! Just recently, a Standard model F went for $6100.00!! Now there is a rigid arm Victor E going for $950.00 with a few hours to go. It could go up in the last few minutes of the auction. Those are my observations of ebay. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] New phonograph - Pathe cylinder machine
Hi all Here is the newest machine I have acquired, purchased before Christmas. Had I known the expenses I would run into with my dog, I might have waited... It is a Pathe Coquet, a French machine from about 1905 or so. It is small, the size of a Columbia AA, very cute. It is made of walnut, which is a nice change from oak. The reproducer had been cobbled together with rubber cement instead of proper gaskets, and the sapphire is broken. I have a new sapphire and gaskets and diaphragm on order. I had to use GooGone and a dental implement to clean the gunk off the reproducer; see the before/after picture. Here is a link to the photos. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Pathe%20Coquet/ John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New phonograph - Pathe cylinder machine
PS Double click on the photos to enlarge them! --- On Mon, 1/17/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: [Phono-L] New phonograph - Pathe cylinder machine To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 5:17 PM Hi all Here is the newest machine I have acquired, purchased before Christmas. Had I known the expenses I would run into with my dog, I might have waited... It is a Pathe Coquet, a French machine from about 1905 or so. It is small, the size of a Columbia AA, very cute. It is made of walnut, which is a nice change from oak. The reproducer had been cobbled together with rubber cement instead of proper gaskets, and the sapphire is broken. I have a new sapphire and gaskets and diaphragm on order. I had to use GooGone and a dental implement to clean the gunk off the reproducer; see the before/after picture. Here is a link to the photos. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Pathe%20Coquet/ John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
It's good if you are a buyer now, sure, but if you are a seller with a machine you bought five or ten years ago, it is hard to get your money back. I bought a nice Victor VI about 10 years ago for $5600, and I couldn't get near that now. I saw them at the CAPS show priced at $4500 and not selling. John R - On Mon, 1/17/11, phonofo...@aol.com phonofo...@aol.com wrote: From: phonofo...@aol.com phonofo...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 5:17 PM Let's face it folks us collectors were taken advantage of for decades...yes decades for both vogue picture records and your most common phonographs. Dealers knew these records were not rare and the same goes for your common Edison, columbia and victor horned machines but collectors agreed to pay outrageous prices on this merchandise. Actually ebay, and also the economy, has worked in favor of the collector in that both have taken the wind out of the sales (or sails) of the dealers whom I would say for a good 30 plus years contolled the prices of the phonograph market. Prices are now at more realistic levels than ever before and I do hope they stay realistic for years to come. -Original Message- From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder hi all ell me about it have three copies of warsaw concerto ol ts still all good n a message dated 1/17/2011 2:56:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, inyl.visi...@live.com writes: he same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which t the time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare ime scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours n the phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. nd then, when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because ou just never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder han doing a search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no ne in America ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and emand, as well as a new generation of people who inherited a collection from heir dad or grandfather and would rather have a new loud muffler on their apanese car or a stereo to blow the body panels off... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to collect something different it is always at the top of the market, regardless of the economy..[?] Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net rote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my heodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around 100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or hat? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think 'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New phonograph - Pathe cylinder machine
It's not bad actually, equal or less than a Q. The box helps a lot. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New phonograph - Pathe cylinder machine To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:03 PM Very showy, with all that nickel. And the little box is a nice bonus. How does the motor noise compare with a Q or a Gem ? - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Hi all Here is the newest machine I have acquired, purchased before Christmas. Had I known the expenses I would run into with my dog, I might have waited... It is a Pathe Coquet, a French machine from about 1905 or so. It is small, the size of a Columbia AA, very cute. It is made of walnut, which is a nice change from oak. The reproducer had been cobbled together with rubber cement instead of proper gaskets, and the sapphire is broken. I have a new sapphire and gaskets and diaphragm on order. I had to use GooGone and a dental implement to clean the gunk off the reproducer; see the before/after picture. Here is a link to the photos. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Pathe%20Coquet/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 and going on to 1914. They were most often giveaways. The Kastenpucks came along in 1903 and lasted til 1914. They're not often seen here. There were lots sold in England, and American Graphophone imported them at one time. John --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:22 PM I am sure that someone out there has some knowledge of Puck machines. I bought one a few years ago that has a bedplate that looks like a bluebird or songbird of some type sitting on a vine. It is built into a wooden case, so I believe that it's called a Kastenpuck or cabinet puck. The real question is where it was made and when? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rigid Arm Victor
Everything is a Victrola because of Victor's superior marketing techniques. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rigid Arm Victor To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:28 PM The real question is how did this guy end up with a rigid arm Victor - he apparently knows nothing about it - hence, the title of the listing: 1902 THE FIRST VICTOR THE SECOND VICTROLA PHONOGRAPH Why is EVERYTHING a Victrola??? From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:17:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rigid Arm Victor $2,357.99 and 28 bids later, the rigid arm Victor E sold... I'm glad I sold mine a couple of years ago for $3,500. That machine was one of those things that really makes the OCD behavior go wild. I bought it from an eccentric collector in pre-eBay days. He had a number of machines, but wouldn't part with anything. He finally agreed on a trade for that Victor with the cobbled up tonearm. I was elated, but didn't show it, however the horn elbow had a large crack in it and someone had tried to solder it together. It was really beyond salvage and looked like S#%. That started a 15 year search for a replacement original elbow. I finally ran across one that Lynn Bilton had, but he was pretty fond of it. So, after paying $500 and completing the machine, I started thinking that if something happened to me, my wife would probably sell it in a garage sale for $25. Also, it would take an advanced collector to appreciate a machine that was only made for 6 months, because of a poor d es ign. Anyway, I really did love that machine, but now that it was complete, the collector in me took over and I sold it and bought a Symphonion 15 music box with 36 discs... I have come to the conclusion that ALL collectors of stuff whatever it might be, are addicted to the search for something different and only the acquisition of something new will satisfy the addiction. My wife keeps telling me that I can't take it with me... so what, I already know that, I just like it... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:07:34 -0800 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder The ebay number is 190489401852. Harvey Kravitz From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 12:16:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Harvey, How did you find the rigid arm Victor? I searched under everything I could think of and it didn't come up... maybe that's why it's so cheap. Here is another unusual machine that you don't see for sale very often: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Vassos-RCA-Victor-Special-PHONOGRAPH-model-L-/110602410689?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c06adac1 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Travesty...
I just listed the Charleston on ebay yesterday and it is at $20 already. A lot of others like it too. Of course the song is popular, but this version is extremely '20s jazzy'. My taste is pretty eclectic. Some collect to get great numbers of records, I collect pretty much only what I like. I buy some things for resale too of course, but if a record is rare and I don't care for the music, I won't keep it just for the rarity issue. John --- On Sun, 1/16/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 8:13 AM Not bad... your taste in music is similar to mine, according to the titles you mentioned. I like 20's blues and jazz - Ben Selvin is one of my favorites. Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:35:35 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... There was Mamie Smith singing Crazy Blues..Ben Selvin on Vocalion playing the Charleston, and Sousa's Band playing Maple Leaf Rag...ummm...there are a lot of others I haven't gone through yet. I am sure there'll be some nice stuff. There were 15 boxes, about 300 records or so. I also bought 33 Diamond Discs, nothing spectacular but all in very good condition. nicer than most I have seen. Also bought 147 cylinder records, both 2 and 4 minute. no 5000s though. John --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:38 PM I forgot to ask: did you get any good records? From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:05:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... Nothing like some steel wool and maybe a little cleanser to really bring out the shine in gold leaf... :) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:58:42 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Travesty... Hey everyone! I went to buy some records locally that were being sold by the daugher of the man that owned them. He passed away 20 years ago and all has been in storage. The real story is that she had sold his phonographs a few years back, and one was a...well, she said there was this one Victrola that was all gold leafed.. I asked if it had paintings on the front and sides. She said it did. So it was a Vernis Martin...and she sold it to some guy for $7500.00. he flew to LA to see it, and she said he was sorta disappointed in the condition on one side because My mother tried to clean it with steel wool!! he bought it anyway though. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] PayPal shipping
I have not used that. I have an account with USPS which allows me to ship Priority, International Priority etc, and you get a discount for using it online. I love the convenience of not having to stand in line at the post office anymore. You cannot do airmail, media mail or regular postage though, so it sounds like Paypal is the best for that.. John Robles --- On Sun, 1/16/11, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] PayPal shipping To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 6:46 PM https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now Did you know you can ship things via PayPal? I just finished rebuilding a reproducer and I was able to purchase the postage for the same price as the guy who sent it to me plus an extra 19 cents for the delivery confirmation, it is well worth it for me to be able just to drop it in the box and avoid the lines, especially when the PO is closed when I drive by at 6:20 am. You can send first class, media mail and priority. You get a discount with priority mail with the USPS: https://ecap-ws-prod.usps.com/entreg/loginView.do I purchased a Royal scale that goes up to 5 pounds and it is very convenient. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph
The Edison Advertising Record is available currently from Vulcan Cylinder Record Company in England. They produce several titles on both two and four minute formats and they are moulded in a resin that is far superior to the Electrophone products of the 1980s which shrink over time and become impossible to fit onto the mandrel. The 4 minute products can be played with either sapphire or diamond reproducers and they sound superb. Prices on two minute are $23.63 at current exchange rate and they accept credit cards. Minimum order is two cylinders. The boxes are really nice too! If you order by email, they will phone you to get your card number and confirm the order. Gwynn, who is the person I talk to most, is very helpful. They also make Concert size records and will be making 6 Columbia style cylinders as well. They are the company that manufactures the records for that dealer in Berlin. I higly recommend their products. You can reach them via their site at www.phonographcylinders.com/ I did an article on them for the GSPS newsletter. I guarantee you will love their products. And no, I am not a paid promoter, I am a satisfied customer! John Robles --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.net wrote: From: Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.net Subject: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 5:52 AM I had a copy ( new copy ) of the cylinder I am the Edison Phonograph and can't find it now. I am giving my newly married nephew a Edison Fireside for their new home and would like to find out who it was I bought those copies from or who is making them so I can include it on their new phono. Thanks so much, Tim Gray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph
I believe the Wizard records were made by Vulcan. They do contract work for a few other dealers too. John --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Markelynch markely...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Markelynch markely...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:09 AM The Edison Advertising record was reproduced by Pete Dilg of Wizard Records. Here is a link to a CAPS article about him and the recording process. http://www.capsnews.org/apn2008-6.htm Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.net wrote: I had a copy ( new copy ) of the cylinder I am the Edison Phonograph and can't find it now. I am giving my newly married nephew a Edison Fireside for their new home and would like to find out who it was I bought those copies from or who is making them so I can include it on their new phono. Thanks so much, Tim Gray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph
Great article Mark. The collecting world owes a lot to Peter. By the way, I mentioned that I thought Vulcan manufactured the records. I think most of those titles Vulcan makes for other companies are not available from Vulcan because they are made on a contract basis. So Wizard titles need to be purchased from Wizard, etc. John --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Markelynch markely...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Markelynch markely...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I am the Edison Phonograph To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:09 AM The Edison Advertising record was reproduced by Pete Dilg of Wizard Records. Here is a link to a CAPS article about him and the recording process. http://www.capsnews.org/apn2008-6.htm Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.net wrote: I had a copy ( new copy ) of the cylinder I am the Edison Phonograph and can't find it now. I am giving my newly married nephew a Edison Fireside for their new home and would like to find out who it was I bought those copies from or who is making them so I can include it on their new phono. Thanks so much, Tim Gray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Travesty...
Hey everyone! I went to buy some records locally that were being sold by the daugher of the man that owned them. He passed away 20 years ago and all has been in storage. The real story is that she had sold his phonographs a few years back, and one was a...well, she said there was this one Victrola that was all gold leafed.. I asked if it had paintings on the front and sides. She said it did. So it was a Vernis Martin...and she sold it to some guy for $7500.00. he flew to LA to see it, and she said he was sorta disappointed in the condition on one side because My mother tried to clean it with steel wool!! he bought it anyway though. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board
Did you remove the turntable and reposition the automatic stop yoke? This is often the culprit, because the two arms of the stop yoke overlap form the motorboard to the motorboard frame. Check this link to a photo of what I mean. The yoke is circled in white. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/ John Robles --- On Mon, 1/10/11, William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 8:04 PM Dear Phono-Lers: I recently acquired a Victrola VV-XVII. It is pretty nice machine but is missing the crank, needle cup, motor board knob, and one large storage door knob. ANYWAY... After removing the screws that hold down the motor board (two in the front and perhaps a third in the rear center just in from the tonearm bracket), I have been unable to get the board to either swivel on a pivot or come up out of the top of the machine! What am I doing wrong? There is no movement of the motor board in any direction. It is stuck tight. Any suggestions about how to remove it? On the back of the machine there is a panel that seems to be held in with two brass screws on its bottom edge and also has two acorn wooden plugs at the top. I removed all of these and this panel too is stuck fast! What is going on? Regards, GrnMountain Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board
SOunds like a case of simple warpage and wood swelling then... --- On Mon, 1/10/11, William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 8:52 PM John: Yes, everything have been removed from the motor board and frame. Only the motor screws remain. I even tried tapping with rubber mallet to see if there would be any movement. But there is none. Thanks for the picture. GrnMountain Bill On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:35 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Did you remove the turntable and reposition the automatic stop yoke? This is often the culprit, because the two arms of the stop yoke overlap form the motorboard to the motorboard frame. Check this link to a photo of what I mean. The yoke is circled in white. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/ John Robles --- On Mon, 1/10/11, William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 8:04 PM Dear Phono-Lers: I recently acquired a Victrola VV-XVII. It is pretty nice machine but is missing the crank, needle cup, motor board knob, and one large storage door knob. ANYWAY... After removing the screws that hold down the motor board (two in the front and perhaps a third in the rear center just in from the tonearm bracket), I have been unable to get the board to either swivel on a pivot or come up out of the top of the machine! What am I doing wrong? There is no movement of the motor board in any direction. It is stuck tight. Any suggestions about how to remove it? On the back of the machine there is a panel that seems to be held in with two brass screws on its bottom edge and also has two acorn wooden plugs at the top. I removed all of these and this panel too is stuck fast! What is going on? Regards, GrnMountain Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
Pictures may not lie but people do! You're very clever and entertaining! John --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:45 PM From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
So do I, that's probably what appeals to me! J --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 6:41 PM Hi John, Thanks for the compliment... :) Curt ps - I guess I do have a strange sense of humor... Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:30:29 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Pictures may not lie but people do! You're very clever and entertaining! John --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:45 PM From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
I wasn't gonna bring it up, but I have it on good authority that Ada Jones ran a meth lab when she wasn't busy recording. Billy Murray was her delivery stooge. The real reason he had to get out and get under, get out and get under was to dodge the G-men's bullets. John Robles --- On Sun, 1/2/11, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 6:50 PM http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.26646/?co=ggbain Good Point, I wonder what Ada Jones was really cookin up in that frying pan. Bruce - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:47:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Hi Bruce, You can't trust Government websites... apparently this is a major coverup, since they doctored that photo. Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 02:42:38 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain Quite so, heh heh - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:30:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Pictures may not lie but people do! You're very clever and entertaining! John --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:45 PM From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] More phonos from Shorpy
Re the photo of the native american making a record, I used that photo in the GSPS newsletter for November's Monthly Mirth, which consists of a phonograph related photo with a funny (to me anyhow) caption that I compose each month. I try to keep them topical to the month of publication, and this one was for Thanksgiving. My caption for the photo was So my great great grandfather says to Squanto, Hey, they look nice. What harm can come from sitting down to a feast with them?/// John Robles --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com Subject: [Phono-L] More phonos from Shorpy To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 11:55 PM More from Shorpy, high def... http://www.shorpy.com/node/3582?size=_original http://www.shorpy.com/node/9414?size=_original The Mall, two phono stores, http://www.shorpy.com/node/7402?size=_original Dan M is that a nipper in a dog house on the right by the doll? http://www.shorpy.com/node/6302?size=_original This one is for you Dan M http://www.shorpy.com/node/1972?size=_original No phono's but what a drug store! http://www.shorpy.com/node/6676?size=_original Oldcranky Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman
That's because Irving Kaufman had strange powers that move across time and space. --- On Thu, 12/30/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 8:35 PM I looked at that photo this afternoon, and nothing. Just now? I looked again, realized he was yawning, and it made ME yawn! Catchy things, those yawns. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman Plus, Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] best way to store wax cylinders?
Thank you Norman, I found this very informative! John --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Norman Bruderhofer phonol...@cylinder.de wrote: From: Norman Bruderhofer phonol...@cylinder.de Subject: Re: [Phono-L] best way to store wax cylinders? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 2:28 AM Normally, I would say it's okay to keep them in the old boxes as long as these are in decent shape. A proper ventilation is the most important thing to avoid any impounded humidity. Many European boxes have the problem that the lids close pretty tightly. In this case I would recommend to keep them open. I do make an exception with my most valuable cylinders which I keep in acid-free archival boxes. However, these boxes are way too expensive to have all my cylinders stored that way. I know of two different sources for archival boxes: Rigid Paper Tube, NJ Hollinger Metal Edge, CA http://www.ridgidpapertube.com/ Deep link: http://www.ridgidpapertube.com/archive2.html http://www.hollingermetaledge.com/ Deep link: http://tinyurl.com/3x8hypy When I bought the RPT boxes they were significantly cheaper while those from Hollinger are more expensive but also more costly produced. But be prepared to pay at least $6-8 for one box. The RPT boxes simply have two plasic caps, one glued to the bottom. The bottom cap also holds the inner peg which is made from acid-free cardboard like the outer one. The RPT boxes do all have a drilled hole in the outer wall to prevent air-tightness. One problem I had was that the glue of the bottom cap was very easy to detach and I cautiously reglued all of them with a stronger glue. You cartainly do not want to have your most precious cylinders to fall out of the box that way. The HME boxes are square-shaped and have, as the names claims, metal edges. The inside is made from a relativly stiff PP foam (whith no containing softeners) with a foam bottom and peg. These boxes however, do not come with a hole and are pretty air-tight. Therefore, I had to drill a hole by myself into each of these boxes at on of the lower side edges. Another problem with most of the HME boxes I have is, that the lids do close so tightly that it is not easy to open these boxes. And of course, I have to be extra careful with the content... In general, both box types are for storage only and not suitable for transportation or mailing. The HME boxes can be prepared for transportation with carefully adding some non-woven soft pads to prevent the cylinder from rattling. Best, Norman On 23.12.2010 16:11, Ron Cowen wrote: I should know this but what are some of the best ways to store wax cylinders, aside from good temperature control? Is it OK if they are in their cylinder boxes? And if I am putting them all in some large storage box, is it OK if it's plastic, and should the large storage box not have a lid, because that might trap moisture? Are there some kind of archival storage boxes that are preferable and what type are they and what might be a source? Thanks, Ron Silver Spring, MD ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Sent from my Thunderbird OpenSource Mail Client ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] New Phonogram
Does anyone have copies of the New Phonogram available for sale?? Repros are acceptable. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram
Thank you Darren, no hurry. John --- On Fri, 12/31/10, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 8:27 AM Possibly a couple but I cannot check for a day or two until after the holiday. Darren ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ On 31 dec 2010, at 14.23, john robles wrote: Does anyone have copies of the New Phonogram available for sale?? Repros are acceptable. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman
Plus, Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. John Robles --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Michael and Suellen Funk fun...@comcast.net wrote: From: Michael and Suellen Funk fun...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 7:10 PM With such a tight grasp in his hand? - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman That's Irving's death photo... Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:45:45 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain Here is Irving Kaufman taking a snooze. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California
Hello Allen and all I did some research on the net and found the Calaveras County Historical Society, and placed a call asking if they had any information on an 'Agostini's Store'. They did. They are currently looking for pictures and info for me on Rosa Agostini (who sold Edison Phonographs in the store) and the store itself. For those that don't remember, I recently purchased some old account statements from one of the Edison Jobbers in San Francisco, Pacific Phonograph Company, to Ms. Agostini for records, Phonograms, phonographs, parts etc. That got me started on researching the store for an article for the GSPS newsletter. Thanks for your helpful suggestions! John Robles --- On Sun, 12/19/10, allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com wrote: From: allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 11:46 AM In a message dated 12/19/2010 2:00:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: I was able to find a link to a California State Wood Landmarks Advisory Commission report, and one of the landmarks was Agostini Store, San Andreas, CA. I assume this would be her store. Hi, Yes, on the 'National Register of Historic Places' (or at least an Application was made for that in 1970). In addition, most cities at that time had annual City Directories, usually listing (snap-shot style) all local citizens and commercial enterprises. A note to the local library (in San Andreas) might well yield a valid (orig) street address: They may be interested in the question because of the pioneering aspect of a woman acting as an Edison phonograph dealer (July 10, 1871 - Aug 7, 1946). --- Contact : San Andreas Central Library 1299 Gold Hunter Road San Andreas, CA 95249 - _MAP! _ (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=UTF-8ie=UTF8t=hhl=enmsa=0ll=38.191261,-120.666103spn=0.005608,0.00957z=17msi d=104576238945819126590.000460507f589c5876038) Phone: (209) 754-6510 Fax: (209) 754-6512 _Email Us - Send Feedback_ (http://www.co.calaveras.ca.us/cc/LinkClick.aspx?link=523tabid=516) - Allen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California
The Sound Box has asked me for an article, so I could do it in both. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:55 PM Hi John, That would also be a great article for the Sound Box. good luck with your endeavor. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 1:13:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California Hello Allen and all I did some research on the net and found the Calaveras County Historical Society, and placed a call asking if they had any information on an 'Agostini's Store'. They did. They are currently looking for pictures and info for me on Rosa Agostini (who sold Edison Phonographs in the store) and the store itself. For those that don't remember, I recently purchased some old account statements from one of the Edison Jobbers in San Francisco, Pacific Phonograph Company, to Ms. Agostini for records, Phonograms, phonographs, parts etc. That got me started on researching the store for an article for the GSPS newsletter. Thanks for your helpful suggestions! John Robles --- On Sun, 12/19/10, allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com wrote: From: allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 11:46 AM In a message dated 12/19/2010 2:00:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: I was able to find a link to a California State Wood Landmarks Advisory Commission report, and one of the landmarks was Agostini Store, San Andreas, CA. I assume this would be her store. Hi, Yes, on the 'National Register of Historic Places' (or at least an Application was made for that in 1970). In addition, most cities at that time had annual City Directories, usually listing (snap-shot style) all local citizens and commercial enterprises. A note to the local library (in San Andreas) might well yield a valid (orig) street address: They may be interested in the question because of the pioneering aspect of a woman acting as an Edison phonograph dealer (July 10, 1871 - Aug 7, 1946). --- Contact : San Andreas Central Library 1299 Gold Hunter Road San Andreas, CA 95249 - _MAP! _ (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=UTF-8ie=UTF8t=hhl=enmsa=0ll=38.191261,-120.666103spn=0.005608,0.00957z=17msi d=104576238945819126590.000460507f589c5876038) Phone: (209) 754-6510 Fax: (209) 754-6512 _Email Us - Send Feedback_ (http://www.co.calaveras.ca.us/cc/LinkClick.aspx?link=523tabid=516) - Allen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] I have new pics of Vic IV on ebay
Hi all I asked the seller for some additional pics and he sent them. Nice machine. I will post them on Photobucket and send a link to them. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Pics of Vic IV on ebay
Here is the link to the pics the seller sent. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Vic%20IV%20on%20eBay/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah (belated) etc.
I want to wish the best of the holidays to everyone on the board, and I hope your 2011 is brighter and better than 2010. It's a pleasure to read your messages, to learn new things here, and just to enjoy the good fellowship we all share here. Sure, sometimes there is disagreement, but we all seem to come back around to the subject at hand and to general goodwill. So thank you for this venue Loran, and again, Happy Holidays to all. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor on Ebay
The item has been removed so I sense the seller was found out... John Robles From: Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 7:24:09 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor on Ebay Has anyone checked out this late Victor IV on ebay? Here is the link to it: http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Talking-Machine-Phonograph-V-IV-w-Great-Horn-/180 604116113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Talking-Machine-Phonograph-V-IV-w-Great-Horn-/18 0604116113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a0cd81c91 hash=item2a0cd81c91 Is it possible that a late Victor would have a speed control with the indicator window? It does have a late serial number and the drop in elbow but I have never seen one with the speed indicator. Or, is it a very well done Crap-o-phone case? Ken ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor on Ebay
Strange. When I click on the link, I get an ebay message that says the item was removed. It certainly looks correct in all respects but the speed control and crank location. The screws on the crank escutcheon look new too. The Victor Data book indicates that the cabinet is all correct though. The slip in elbow is a late feature. John Robles --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor on Ebay To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 8:27 PM The item has been removed so I sense the seller was found out... No, it's there. Here is the item number: 180604116113 Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California
Hello all Does anyone know if there is a listing available anywhere for Edison Dealers in Northern California? I am searching for Rosa A. Agostini (later Rosa Lloyd). I recently obtained some Edison Jobber invoices and credit slips to Miss Agonstini, dated from 1910 to 1914, who apparently was an Edison Dealer in San Andreas, Calaveras County, CA. I have found her birth and death dates and her married name and am interested in finding out her dealership name and location for an article in the GSPS newsletter. The invoices only list her as Rosa A. Agostini, San Andreas, CA. No address. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California
Hi Alen I do have the EPM set, but I thought I would ask before poring over the 1910 edition. Thanks for the info, I appreciate it! I had not thought about a General store, that would make researching her a bit easier. Thanks again John --- On Sun, 12/19/10, allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com wrote: From: allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 10:08 AM In a message dated 12/19/2010 10:49:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: Does anyone know if there is a listing available anywhere for Edison Dealers in Northern California? I am searching for Rosa A. Agostini (later Rosa Lloyd). I recently obtained some Edison Jobber invoices and credit slips to Miss Agonstini, dated from 1910 to 1914, who apparently was an Edison Dealer in San Andreas, Calaveras County, CA. -- Have you looked thru any old EPM's? She was born in Calif in 1871 (of Corsican background) and died there (in San Andreas) on Aug 7, 1946, which you seem to know (her husband was Jarvis Lloyd). She probably married late, in her 50's (no children). In 1910, she was in the Retail business (General store), but the Census form did not have a street address for her. Maybe an old newspaper obituary would have some further details. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California
Hi Allen I was able to find a link to a California State Wood Landmarks Advisory Commission report, and one of the landmarks was Agostini Store, San Andreas, CA. I assume this would be her store. but the browser is unable to connect to the pdf of the report, so that's as much info as I have. John --- On Sun, 12/19/10, allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com wrote: From: allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Dealers in Northern California To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 10:08 AM In a message dated 12/19/2010 10:49:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: Does anyone know if there is a listing available anywhere for Edison Dealers in Northern California? I am searching for Rosa A. Agostini (later Rosa Lloyd). I recently obtained some Edison Jobber invoices and credit slips to Miss Agonstini, dated from 1910 to 1914, who apparently was an Edison Dealer in San Andreas, Calaveras County, CA. -- Have you looked thru any old EPM's? She was born in Calif in 1871 (of Corsican background) and died there (in San Andreas) on Aug 7, 1946, which you seem to know (her husband was Jarvis Lloyd). She probably married late, in her 50's (no children). In 1910, she was in the Retail business (General store), but the Census form did not have a street address for her. Maybe an old newspaper obituary would have some further details. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy??
Creepy. I know it's not supposed to be, technically, but it is! --- On Fri, 12/17/10, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote: From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy?? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 7:35 AM This was shared on another newsgroup and I thought others might want to see it: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo) Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy??
A little of column A, a little of column B... John --- On Fri, 12/17/10, Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy?? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 8:55 AM I guess The Waltzing Doll would have been too cheerful and light-hearted for this (Is she supposed to be dead or just comatose, or ?) - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy?? Creepy. I know it's not supposed to be, technically, but it is! --- On Fri, 12/17/10, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote: From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy?? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 7:35 AM This was shared on another newsgroup and I thought others might want to see it: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo) Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor rear mount Monarch for sale
Hey folks How would you like to do a good deed and get a substantial reward for your collection at the same time?? Here's how! I am forced to sell my treasured Victor Monarch due to the fact that I took my car in for brakes and it turns out there is a worn bearing and resulting grooved axle. I have ended up with a $1500 bill at Christmas, a spouse out of work and desperately seeking anything, and a dog who needs radiology tests the same week. So I decided I need to make a sacrifice to try to meet these bills. The Monarch did not make its reserve by a mere $75. I had it up for sale for $1100, slightly less than I have into it. It is all original with the exception of the crank (I think the crank is repro, et least) and two screws which hold the front mount plug in the cabinet. I have several pictures at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Victor%20Monarch/ I am asking $1050 from anyone on this list who might be interested, plus shipping. I can deliver to some areas of Southern California. I am paying the $1500 bill today, so I am hoping this will sell soon. If there is no interest on the board I can relist it on ebay, but not for $1050 because the ebay and Paypal fees will decimate the winnings somewhat. Thanks for looking! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Monarch is sold.
Well, that was fast... Thank you very much, my car and I appreciate it! John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor rear mount Monarch for sale
Well, we love the dog too much to shoot it! I was amazed, the machine sold like within three minutes, --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor rear mount Monarch for sale To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 7:50 AM Hmm, for a minute there I thought I was going to get the machine if I agreed to shoot the dog and give the wife a job. 8-). Wish I could buy that Monarch. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:13 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor rear mount Monarch for sale Hey folks How would you like to do a good deed and get a substantial reward for your collection at the same time?? Here's how! I am forced to sell my treasured Victor Monarch due to the fact that I took my car in for brakes and it turns out there is a worn bearing and resulting grooved axle. I have ended up with a $1500 bill at Christmas, a spouse out of work and desperately seeking anything, and a dog who needs radiology tests the same week. So I decided I need to make a sacrifice to try to meet these bills. The Monarch did not make its reserve by a mere $75. I had it up for sale for $1100, slightly less than I have into it. It is all original with the exception of the crank (I think the crank is repro, et least) and two screws which hold the front mount plug in the cabinet. I have several pictures at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Victor%20Monarch/ I am asking $1050 from anyone on this list who might be interested, plus shipping. I can deliver to some areas of Southern California. I am paying the $1500 bill today, so I am hoping this will sell soon. If there is no interest on the board I can relist it on ebay, but not for $1050 because the ebay and Paypal fees will decimate the winnings somewhat. Thanks for looking! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,
Wow, what a nice surprise! Wish I could find a Standard in my attic... --- On Sun, 12/12/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time, To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 8:49 AM I thought some shady roofers entered my attic and stole my grandfather's home-built speaker cabinet (with expensive 15 hi-fi speaker) about 12 years ago. I hauled many boxes of Xmas decor down, last week . and there's the speaker, tucked underneath a sewing machine cabinet surrounded by boxes. Also found an Edison Standard, matching horn, and cylinders in 2 unopened cartons! No idea why I shoved them into storage without checking inside, first. - Original Message - From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com I would say this re. missing items. It can be very easy to assume a person took something when they've been visiting and an important item is missing. But invariably, I've found that things have a way of reappearing. I once lost a couple of 5 Berliners. (Fortunately, no one had been visiting at the time!) Years later they turned up in a box of 45s and small kiddie records. Nice surprise. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Duplicate Messages
Loran, this board is such an important resource and such a good source of amusement and education that I don't think there is anything you would have to ask our patience and understanding for! We appreciate your hard work keeping this resource so trouble free! John Robles --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com Subject: [Phono-L] Duplicate Messages To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 10:11 AM You may be seeing a bunch of duplicate messages this morning. Unfortunately, one of the Phono-L mail server databases got corrupted yesterday afternoon. I rebuilt the database this morning, so now it seems everything is up and running again. Thanks for your patience and understanding! Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,
I am not sure if Kurt's email and this one are in reference to my post about having something stolen by visiting collectors, because the subject line is different, but if it is, I know they stole that record. I only had about a dozen out, and as I played each one, I returned it to its box. They bought half a dozen cylinders and after they left I discovered the one cylinder missing that had not been paid for. Later I had found they were accused of stealing from other collectors too. They have not been heard of for a long time, so I assume they've moved to 'cooler climes'... John Robles --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time, To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 3:11 PM I agree to that Kurt. I have many things lost. They will pop up. I would say worse yet when I was very active collecting records I would see a nice label on Kurt's glossy covers or at a friends house. A year or two later I swore I owned it. Would spend hours looking for what I didn't own. Kept my stock in my head after the futile search...lol Oldcranky Mike On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com wrote: I would say this re. missing items. It can be very easy to assume a person took something when they've been visiting and an important item is missing. But invariably, I've found that things have a way of reappearing. I once lost a couple of 5 Berliners. (Fortunately, no one had been visiting at the time!) Years later they turned up in a box of 45s and small kiddie records. Nice surprise. Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Frankenreproducer alert
Al, I have had dealings with this person in the past and he is a fraudulent dealer. When I called him out on a listing that he had made that was fraudulent, he got furious with me and told me never to write him again or he would report me to eBay. Report ME?? The one that caught HIM?? Ridiculous... John Robles --- On Fri, 12/3/10, clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Frankenreproducer alert To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 5:12 PM One of my least favorite sellers with an honesty and knowledge score I believe to be ZERO has put up a Model D Reproducer on eBay. Check out 170574734251 The reproducer is a collection of damaged parts as far as I can tell. Why would someone file down a brass body? The stylus bar looks like a C bar and not a D ball type desired to gently play brown wax Concert records. The listing description says it all. Best wishes to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196
Maybe that's because not many of us have Class Ms... --- On Fri, 11/26/10, Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, November 26, 2010, 4:55 PM I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture?
More ebay follies, folks, This is laughable. Number is 250728912186. Have a great Thanksgiving, everyone! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stanton Auction results
Wow, the phono market is really depressed right now. I remember when a lot of these machines went for twice the listed price. Jon Robles --- On Wed, 11/24/10, Gregory Cline gwpho...@woh.rr.com wrote: From: Gregory Cline gwpho...@woh.rr.com Subject: [Phono-L] Stanton Auction results To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 2:40 PM I have compiled some highlights of the past weekend's auction in Charlotte MI. This is by no means a comprehensive list. There were 100's of machines at the auction. The prices I will list DO NOT include the 10% buyers Penalty or sales tax. There were way too many machines to sell in 2 days and the prices on common machines showed. Many rear mount victors went for under $1000. Many Edison standards and homes went for under $300. The rare or pristine still brought good money with a few exceptions. Gregg Cline Stanton Auction highlights: 5 BS Coin Op's $2800 $3300 $4300 $3000 $3000 Columbia AG $1050 Vic IV smooth wood horn $1750 Co BI Sterling nickel horn $1100 Vic VI spear tip horn $4400 $3600 $5000 Rigid Arm M $3000 Vic Junior $900 Vic C $3200 Vic R $600 Vic P-2 $800 Edison Opera OAK $6500 Oak Herzog half barrel orig. pegs $950 Vic 6 w SPRUCE horn $8500 Berliner Trademark top brake $3500 Zonophone A, worn condition $3800 Vic V oak spear tip horn $2600 Herzog serpentine oak cylinder cab $2900 Edison Triumph w D repeater $1400 Victor A w metal tag $9500 Columbia Celluloid horn w tag $3250 Victor B w wrong horn, crank and reproducer $6000 Columbia AF $2200 Ed Fireside w Music Master cygnet $1450 Many Vic E $750, $600, 800 Herzog Full Barrel cab $4000 Zonophone Parlor $900 Vic II $900 Vic A w celluloid tag (tag in pieces) $7500 Vic II smooth oak horn $1752 Hand Wind Berliner w box $175003 Vic IV w brass bell horn $1400 Columbia BN $500 Edison Spring Motor $4500 Edison Ideal PERFECT original $15000 Regina Hexaphone Mahogany $8000 Kalamazoo Duplex $5500 Berliner record case missing handle $1800 Col AB Macdonald finish stripped around the decals $1500 Columbia BXP $1950 Columbia Top Wind A $1000 Edison Home o reproducer MM cygnet $2100 Columbia S coin Op $5700 Columbia BNW $550 Columbia N Coin Op (poor cond) $3600 Vic V brass bell horn $1600 Kurtzman $4500 Berliner Ratchet Wind $9000 Edison AJAX $45000 Columbia GG $5500 Edison Opera Mahogany $12000 Victrola XVI American Walnut $1800 Eldridge Johnson M $4400 Vic C $2300 Col BY $2500 Reginaphone 240 $7500 Opera Oak $6000 Vic V w oak speartip horn $1750 Col AR $2250 Col AK first style $1600 Edison Eclipse $7500 Regina Hexaphone Oak $11000 Columbia Home Grand AD $9000 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine
The Coq was an earlier machine modeled after the Columbia Eagle, but it was later put into the reversible case and became known as the reversible Coq. After that it became the Pathe No. 1. John --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com wrote: From: Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:44 PM Looks like my Pathe Coq phono. Very cool machine. -Barry On 11/20/2010 10:10 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I bought this machine two years ago and just wondered if anyone knows what model it is and timeframe of manufacture. It plays both standard size and salon size cylinders. It is in fabulous condition, the picture makes it look like it has a square spot on the front. That is the original decal and the finish is almost perfect. I bought it because of the unusual horn carriage and the fact that the works flip over and store inside the box, which then looks like a jewelry box with a brass handle on top. Here is the picture: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=170190476338923saved#!/photo.php?fbid=130673463639224set=a.130672523639318.12387.130658956974008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison machine belts
Hi Ron I use lining leather that I buy at Tandy Leather stores. It is thin, pebble finished on one side and raw on the other. It is available in a dark brown like the old belts too. The only thing I don't like is that it can be a little stretchy, so I make belts slightly shorter, that way there's more tension and the stretchiness doesn't affect the belt. I cut it with a metal straight edge and an exacto knife. The commercial belting is not die cut, and since a cow has curves, the belting is wavy. I have purchased ling pieces of belting where only a very little was usable. Lately I have purchased those new neoprene belts on ebay from Vince Garcia, and I love them. They work great, and there's no gluing necessary, and they look original on the machine. They may not be traditional, but they work! And no thump where the glue joint is. (if you don't make a good enough lap joint). John Robles --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: [Phono-L] Edison machine belts To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:26 AM I was wondering if anyone supplies the nice thin cross section leather belt material as found on Edison machines. The modern belt material that I've encountered so far has been comparatively thick and, especially for Standards, a tad wide, it seems. The inside of the belt material is also rather fuzzy and not as smooth grained as the original. Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine
Hi As I recall, this is the Pathe No.1, known in England as the New Perfecta. This was the first foreign machine I owned, purchased from Tim Fabrizio in the mid 1980s. I still have the letter from him describing it! He was and is a great resource. I love how it stores upside down in the cabinet. The other cool thing about it is that it, as many phonos from continental Europe are, is made of walnut. Pathe were obviously close copies of Columbia machines, and well done. They began marketing cylinder machines and records around 1894 or 1895. I am not sure about the machines, but their cylinders were phased out around 1909 or so, when they went heavy into the disc business. This folding horn suspension system is unique to Pathe machines, along with the other suspension system made of bent wire, basically, and called the Verite system. This one, consisting of a folding support bar between two folding arms, was called the Orpheus, if I recall. Tim? Very nice machine. John Robles --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 7:10 PM I bought this machine two years ago and just wondered if anyone knows what model it is and timeframe of manufacture. It plays both standard size and salon size cylinders. It is in fabulous condition, the picture makes it look like it has a square spot on the front. That is the original decal and the finish is almost perfect. I bought it because of the unusual horn carriage and the fact that the works flip over and store inside the box, which then looks like a jewelry box with a brass handle on top. Here is the picture: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=170190476338923saved#!/photo.php?fbid=130673463639224set=a.130672523639318.12387.130658956974008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested
Hi Bob I have sent you the info offline. John Robles --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 8:20 PM All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes). I would appreciate the E-mail contact address to inquire about cost and availability. If no E-mail info, any other type would work. Again, thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC
Wow, what a fantastic tour!! I have a video that I recorded when I visited Dave Heitz back in 1991. He used to open the barn where he had most of his collection up to people to come visit, but it was usually closed at some parts of the year. In March of 1991 I turned 30, and a mutual friend called to see if he'd open up for us as a birthday treat for me. Generously, he did, so three fiends and I went visiting. He allowed me to record his collection with the condition that he not be in the video and that he didn't want to see it on TV or anything at the time. I will never forget his generosity in doing that for me. He also sold me some great records for what I considered bargain prices. He was a nice man. John Robles --- On Sun, 11/14/10, Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 11:32 AM Hi Gang, Here's another link to a video/photo from a visit to our good friend and phono-expert Charles McCarn, from a few years ago. This is a Windows Media Video .wmv file which should automatically start. http://phonojack.com/gallery/CharlesMcCarns.wmv Have fun, Jack Whelan PhonoJack.com From: vinyl.visi...@live.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
If you look at the pictures at the link I posted yesterday, you can see there was no way a spring could have been inserted between the suspension and the capture nut. The capture nut is molded as part of the suspension bolt. John Robles --- On Tue, 11/9/10, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote: From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:11 AM Is it certain that there was never a compression spring fitted over the threaded post between the crane and capture nut that would have allowed the weight of the horn to float upon the reproducer and carriage? It would seem that a springless support would be a rather obvious design flaw to such a compulsive over-engineer as Edison. A loose spring could easily be lost and thus not evident in surviving examples. Are there any original parts sheets for this type of horn support? From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison Fireside. As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the carriage. It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling from my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose. This allows the rubber coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a more uniform carriage pressure. But this original setup was not satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to suspend the horn from the crane. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/ John Robles --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Repro- Let Us Not Forg. Cyl labels?
Hi Dennis I think that would be me. I have been reproducing various BA lid labels, including blank sheets of labels. Contact me off list and I can fix you up with it. John Robles john9...@pacbell.net --- On Sun, 10/24/10, Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com Subject: [Phono-L] Repro- Let Us Not Forg. Cyl labels? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 12:02 PM A friend of mine is looking for a repro Let Us Not Forget BA cylinder top label. I can't remember who was doing these. Anyone here with a better memory than mine? :-) Thanks, Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Looking for Edison Gold Moulded 7669
I am searching for Edison Gold Moulded Record #7669, More Work for the Undertaker, sung by Dan W. Quinn. Would pay a good price for it. Any assistance appreciated! John Robles PS Being the Hallowe'en season, maybe it should be Deadison Ghoul Mouldered Record? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Cygnet Spring, anyone?
Hello al Thanks to the board, I found the type of Tizit I was looking for. Now I am looking for an original suspension spring for a Cugnet horn suspension bolt. Anyone got one? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Orthophonic motor/motorboard/turntablefor sale
Hello all I have a motor for a Credenza (also fits 8-4, 8-12, 8-30, 8-35 and 8-36) available for sale. It has the motorboard, hardware and turntable included. It comes from an Orthophonic 8-12. Tonearm is also available, as well as one cabinet knob. Price for all is only $55 plus shipping! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Searching for tizit or 45 degfree horn connector
I am also looking for a Tizit or a 45 degree horn connector, preferable original. It would be nice if the 45 degree connector had the swivel neck joint, but will consider others, even repros (but not the ones stamped 'Nibco' on the side, which are just plumbing connections). Thanks! John Robles. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Peter Fraser's email needed
Peter, I know you're on here, but I lost your email. A friend of mine needs your assistance. Please send me your email address off board. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Glow in the dark cylinder Skeleton Rag
I can't believe it went for that much!!! If it is new, there must be more out there... John Robles --- On Thu, 10/7/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Glow in the dark cylinder Skeleton Rag To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 6:03 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290481049088 The Berlin Phonograph Works: The new Spooky Self-Illuminating Cylinder Record that glows in the dark! Simply use bright electric light (e.g. 60W lamp) or direct sunlight to expose the cylinder for about 30 seconds, then enjoy the spooky greenish color in a real dark environment. Different shades and textures can be created by partial light exposure. Works also great with UV lamps. In addition to this amazing color, this cylinder features The Skeleton Rag, performed by the Premier Quartet in true ragtime style - a true Halloween selection and, according to my references, also the very last 2-Minute cylinder regularly issued by the Edison Phonograph Company. Of course, this cylinder can be played back with practically any 2-minute cylinder phonograph and is virtually indesctructible. The best performance can be achieved by using a large horn with a Model O reproducer, but any Model B or C reproducer will also do fine. Ships by registered airmail. Personal delivery to the Wayne Show in October possible. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Orthophonic Victrola crank needed
Good evening all I am searching for a crank for a Victor Orthophonic Victrola 8-12. You can see what it looks like at this link http://victor-victrola.com/8-12.htm. Any and all assistance is appreciated! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] PS to last post
If you mouse over the picture and click, it will be magnified. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Maroon Gem photos
I think a nice phono is worth sharing, so here's a link to the Maroon Gem I just got. I had the horn already, so I paired them up. This is why I wanted an original Fireside crane. John http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Edison%20Gem%20Model%20D/ PS Photobucket is an easy and free medium for uploading your photos to the web. You can set it for private or public photos and videos. I'd like to see some of your favorite phonos!! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Fireside crank found
Hello all I found an original Fireside crane thanks to someone on the board. Thanks to all who offered assistance! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Crank/winding key for a Japanese Mikky Phone
I might and I repeat might have something for you. Let me check my bin tonight. John robles -Original Message- From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:06:26 To: phono-l@oldcrank.orgphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Crank/winding key for a Japanese Mikky Phone Hello -- I hope someone on this list can help me with a tough problem. I have a 1930s Japanese Mikky Phone miniature phonograph which is missing the crank. The crank would be a miniature drop-off or slotted crank which I think is _very_ similar to those in Swiss-made miniatures such as the Kompact (or other Plaza Music machines with Swiss motors) or the Thorens Excelda. Many aspects of the Mikky Phone motor seem to be almost dead ringers mechanically to these instruments. Would anyone on this list have an original or reasonable substitute crank for sale? I'd be astonished and pleased if you did, and even if you don't any suggestions you might have would be greatly appreciated (such as a scale photo of the right crank so I could fashion something). Many thanks for any help you can give me -- Philip Carli This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fireside crane sought
Thanks, I have a repro, that's why I want an original, and I believe I have found it courtesy of this board! Thanks again! John -Original Message- From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:28:28 To: Phono-Lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fireside crane sought John, I suggest you contact Don Gfell, long time horn builder and reputable dealer who has a supply of repro Fireside cranes. From what I understand, Don makes his cranes with the wider diameter so the fit nicely into a variety of Edison machines. If you need the smaller diameter crane, you simply grind the bottom 2 inches so it properly seats into your Fireside recepticle if its the narrow version. Don's web site is located at: http://www.edisonman.com/ Have fun, Jack www.PhonoJack.com Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:55:38 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fireside crane sought Anyone have an original Fireside crane they could part with? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Fireside crane sought
Anyone have an original Fireside crane they could part with? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
There's another Zono reproducer on there now, already up to something like $1200.00. John Robles --- On Sat, 9/11/10, Patrick Gunn pgvancou...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Patrick Gunn pgvancou...@yahoo.com Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 6:24 PM After pulling the original auction, the seller then claimed that it was his brother's, and mistakenly was listed, and that the brother didn't want to sell it uh huh... - Original Message From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 1:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Wonder if he will get enough for it that he can buy a decent camera and some photography lessons. Don't these dolts ever look at their own auctions before they post them? Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5889b49806 He now knows what he has. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Grand Opera wax amberol wanted
Hello all I am searching for Grand Opera wax Amberol number B187, Blick Ich Umher from Tannhauser, sung by Walter Soomer. I will pay a good price for it. I have the maroon box and lid and desire to have the contents too! Thanks all, and enjoy your Labor Day Holiday! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Nice Fireside A with maroon horn for sale
Hello all I am selling one of my Firesides with a nice maroon horn, all original except crane, rubber connector and belt. I am asking $895. You can see pics here: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Fireside%20A/ Thanks! John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Small Favors
Ron Sitko to the rescue again. He has the Vic II winding crank for the measly sum of $10. Apparently these break with some frequency. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Unusual Exhibition Flange Stories??
I recently purchased two Victor II phonographs, each purportedly untouched for decades. Yet both had the reproducers facing the wrong direction, and both had replaced flanges, very interesting ones at that. One tonearm had been exchanged for a Victrola IV tonearm with a piece of metal tubing inserted into the base that would engage with the bracket. The other tonearm simply had the U-tube replaced backwards. The interesting thing about both was the precision metal flanges that had been made to replace the rubber ones, Apparently both were made by machinists. One is brass and has a friction fit to the tonearm, one is aluminum and was routed out so that the brass bayonet fitting would sit inside, and further it was enhanced with a wire compression washer, ostensibly to make it stay in place and not turn. Pics are available below: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Exhibition%20Flanges/ What I would like is for you guys to tell me if you've ever had an exhibition with an unusual item for a flange. I'd like to write it up as an article for the GSPS newsletter. If you contribute something I will send you a copy. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor II ongoing story
Hi all You probably remember that I bought a Victor II Humpback to resell, and it had a Victrola IV tonearm..well I got the correct tonearm from Ron Sitko, and today I spent a few hours cleaning the machine up, finally complete. Brought it in the house, and started to wind it up to try it out for the first time. winding it about 3/4 of the way up and SNAP The winding shaft broke off in the crank. Arrgh. Whose got a Vic II winding shaft and gear??? John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Interesting Tizit
Hello all Here is a link to a photo of an unusual Tizit that I got at the CAPS show. Anyone heard of this maker, Kreiling? http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Tizit%20or%20Tiznt%20it/ John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] 2 cylinders needed
Hello again I am looking for two Columbia 4 minute indestructible cylinders, number 3036 Cloud Chief and 3181 Brotherly Love. Can anyone supply these? Matching boxes are desired but lids aren't necessary. Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Tizit
Thanks guys!! So maybe this is before the thing was marked TIZ-IT?? John --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Tizit To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:47 PM Ron, Thanks for that info on John's Tizit. You're google link didn't come out in the post, as it was a tad too large. Here is the link to the original ad using a tinyurl. http://tinyurl.com/29pnh64 Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Tonearm needed
Hello all I am very hopeful that someone can help me find a Victor II tonearm. I just purchased yet another Victor II humpback, very nice, with a few problems - one is it needs a horn yoke (the type with the little pin that goes in a hole in the back bracket) and the other is that it was fitted with a Victrola IV tonearm. Someone put a metal sleeve inside it to fit in the bacl bracket. You wouldn't know it is wrong other than by the fact that the U-tube is on backwards. Help me make this machine whole again! Thanks for all assistance. John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay
These things just burn me up... John Robles --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Jim K j...@phono-phixer.com wrote: From: Jim K j...@phono-phixer.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 8:09 PM The can of coke is the only thing of value in the pictures :) - Original Message - From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay Does he use the coke in the can to erase the incredibly huge scratch in the record before he plays it on the crapiphone? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:33 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay Wow! What a bargain. And I love the fabulous command of the English language of this Canadian seller. Jim On Aug 19, 2010, at 8:16 PM, harvey kravitz wrote: Hey guys, Check out this bargain on fleabay!! The number is300451774455. I guess someone is going to find a way to finance this gem(no offense to Edison Gems). Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
My apologies for the error on Po Folks, I wasn't aware we had changed. Francis Marie did a good job and I thought last year's banquet was very well done. True we have the opportunity for improvement by Joey Bell. I thought it was a good idea having people asked their opinion after the banquet, as that is the only way to make improvements. The wine may have been chilled, but we (my table at least) didn't eat until 6 or so, which allowed two hours for the wine to be at room temperature. I usually don't drink wine until dinner time, so that was my failing. The economy was certainly the culprit with buyers this year, as most dealers had items priced at what I considered very reasonable levels. There was certainly a wide variety of machines, records, etc. to choose from. Victor I's were priced from $795 to $900, Victor II from $900-$1050 or so, Victor III at $1100 and up, several Disc Graphophones at various prices, $795 and up. There was a nice Zonophone and a fancy Talkophone, Operas, a bunch of great things. I didn't mean to cast a pall over the show, as I had a great time socially if not business-wise. It is nice to see the people that you only see once a year and yet have the same camaraderie as if you had seen them only yesterday. That's probably the greatest thing about the show, the people! John . --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Bruce br...@accoladeeng.com wrote: From: Bruce br...@accoladeeng.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 9:57 PM As president of CAPS and the individual organizing the show I always welcome comments that will lead to improvement in what we do. I would, however, like to enlighten those reading this thread. 1. Attendance This year our attendance was up 10% over 2009. On Saturday for setup when the strongest buyers arrive, we had record attendance which was 14% higher than 2009. We had more people come in before 9 and had a line outside waiting for the 9am lower cost entry. We had George Paul write a feature length article for the West Coast Peddler in July which had his article highlighted on the front page with a plug for the show at the end of the article along with a quarter page ad. We advertised in nearly every hobby specific publication. We sent out about 500 direct mail postcards to previous attendees that provided their address. We distributed thousands of flyers. I even called K-Earth radio, who put me on the air plugging the show and offering free attendance to anyone who mentioned they heard about the show on the radio 2. Catering We left Po Folks years ago and used Francis Marie. The food from Po Folks was low quality heart attack food served on paper plates with plastic forks and spoons for which we were paying far too much. With Francis Marie, we improved the quality of the banquet presentation as well at the menu for nearly the same price. Francis Marie retired this year so we needed another caterer. Joey Bell came highly recommended and has catered events for some of the club members. With Francis Marie, we had opportunity for improvement and we exercised them over the first few years. An can do the same with Joey. As far as the price, the banquet, including the food, beverages, room and speaker compensation cost us nearly $50/person. The red and white wine was put in the refrigerator at 1:00 in the afternoon and was not removed until 4:00. 3. Buying and Selling I heard from many dealers that they had poor sales. My job is to bring in people interested in seeing your product and it is your job to close the sale on your product. If you didn't sell your product it may be because you had the wrong product, the price of the product was too high or your buyers were not prepared to let go of their money in this poor economy. Bruce Peterson, CAPS President -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:32 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? A tempting invitation to share our thoughts...I agree with you, Jerry, the treasures were plentiful but the buyers were sparse. I had people with several machines on boths sides of me and one erson sold one machine and the other sold none at all, and he had some truly great machines. Having attended for over 20 years, beginning when it was held at Griswolds Hotel (remember what a sweatbox that place became by the afternoon?),I've had good experience of the show. I thought the attendance of buyers this year was lower than last year, and there was no swell of business at 9 am Sunday when the doors were opened to those who didn't buy early bird tickets. Many came to my table and admired items, but for the most part they were window shoppers. A lot of people seemed to be price tagging machines they had at home Oh I have my grandma's Victrola and it's just like
[Phono-L] Ebay Fraud
So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number: 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Final bracket detail pics
Thanks, and thanks to all of the list for their helpful comments. It is a pleasure to be part of such a 'civic-minded' group! John Robles --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Final bracket detail pics To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 7:32 PM It looks great, John. I knew you would like the results, once you got it figured out. You really can't tell that they are decals. Curt Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:53:37 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Final bracket detail pics Here are the pics from the paintless form in which I got the Vic II to the final detailing of the decals (before clear coat). Pic one is the paintless bracket, 2 is the painted bracket, 3 shows the bracket after decals and Micro Set, and 4 shows it after the MicroSol is applied. What a difference! This link will take you to the pics. Be sure and click your mouse button to zoom in so you can read the captions. Great decals, Gregg! http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Vic%20II%20Bracket%20Before%20and%20After/ John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
