Re: CS measurements ?!
Ditto what James is saying: There is no constant relationship between mS and ppm. That is why a tds cannot, ever, tell ppm. It can only be used to give an idea of what ppm 'may' be if one has a very stable generator and all parameters are kept the same, and the ppm was tested by other means. The tds can not tell what the particle sizes are and what ratio of different particle sizes may be in the sample, so it cannot tell what ratio of mS to ppm to use due to the change of conductivity. Jim Victoria Welch wrote: James and Ian, [ ... ] I have become accustomed to using PPM because that is what most everyone on the list uses. I don't have a direct formula to convert mS to PPM, but I will get one. My meter displays either. If you have a formula to convert PPM to mS, I would appreciate it if you could pass it along. I now have the Hanna TDS and would like to make it as useful (or potentially so) as possible. Microsiemens are a measure of conductance; it is the Ohm---unit of resistance, upside down; the reciprocal or 1/Ohms. [ ... ] Hummm, it might be iteresting to see if my computed resistance will match the TDS value when computed that way. Just a quick computation from some of my data came out to a finished mS of 0.00011626 (1/8601), maybe it doesn't work that way...?!? Send the water and some of your silver; I will do a PPM test on both the water and the sol. For a limited control, you could also have Bob Berger test it. I am, first off, courious as to what you use to get the actual PPM reading. Device, manufacturer, cost, supply costs? thoughts and comments? If you don't mind me asking. This not knowing is driving me to drink (fortunately it is CS I am drinking :). In the process, if you do testing, what are your rates? Santa Fe New Mexico Loved the area - hated the economy. The Pojaque(sp?) were a real thrill as well :-/. Got to visit the old governers place down on the square and in general explore the area and thoroughly enjoyed it. What an archeological paradise :)! After a few days there I could breath again :-). Thanks and take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSSolutions Colloids Ions.
Thanks for your input Guenter, Some things you state need to be clarified. Most colloids as far as I know are made from positive or negative ions. Colloids formed from uncharged particles tend to flocculate and precipitate rather quickly. These colloids however do not bind together tightly when they settle and can be redispersed by stirring (eg paint). I have never heard of H+ or OH- being trapped in a colloid particle. Generally the particle is surrounded by a layer of neutralising polar water molecules (Stern Layer) which travels with the particle. In the electrolysis of silver Ag+ ions are formed at the anode, it is these that form the colloid. You write: What does this mean for our CS? With low voltage direct current (LVDC) we detach silver ions from the silver rod connected to the (positive) anode. In our solution we have then silver ions Ag+, H+ and OH-. But when the Ag+ travel through the water, some of them recombine with the OH- and form neutral AgOH molecules. There are very small amounts of H+ and OH- in water pH7. During CS generation (electrolysis) the H+ ions are attracted to the negative electrode and the OH- to the positive electrode which have a far higher potential than the silver ions. Then: These molecules now lump together and include H+ ions. These positively charged colloids repel each other and prevent the formation of larger particles or even precipitation of the whole stuff. The faster the colloids are formed the more H+ ions are included, the stronger is the repulsion which leads to smaller colloids. Adding salts to a colloidal solution means adding of foreign ions which are attached to the colloids and disturb the repulsion. Precipitation will result. Why would neutral AgOH attract H+ ions? As the H+ ions are reduced at the cathode and escape the solution as hydrogen gas, it is likely that the longer the electrolysis proceeds the less the available H+ ions. I doubt if there is much AgOH if any. Also: I think with LVDC we generate colloidal silver oxide which is formed from the AgOH by chemical transformation. Silver oxide is very unstable and disassociates with mild heating. In order to create AgO from AgOH we need O- radicals which are very few and far between in pure water. If one wants to generate metallic colloids one has to use a different process: One has to evaporate metallic silver by sparking under water, by evaporating silver with a energetic laser beam, by ultrasound etc. These silver atoms, dispersed in water, also lump together, but typically include OH- ions. Most of these methods produce silver ions I believe. Comments? Regards - Ivan - Original Message - From: Guenter Poelz po...@mail.desy.de To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 16 September 1999 22:11 Subject: Re: CSSolutions Colloids Ions...was CS information needed Hello, let me contribute with what I have learned in chemistry. Many things have been stated already many times in this list. I will try to clarify some statements: Ions and colloidal particles both are charged, but they are different. - Metallic ions are formed when one or more electrons are stripped from the outer surface of the uncharged metallic atom. Such an ion is then positively charged. (It is also possible, but much more difficult, to attach an ion to a metallic atom to generate a negatively charged ion). Ions are also often formed by breaking a molecule into two radicals. If the electrons are unevenly divided, one part (with too much electrons) becomes a negative ion, the other one (with lacking electrons) becomes a positive one. Water is an excellent medium to penetrate into salt molecules and breaks it into ions (kitchen-salt NaCl is broken into Na+ and Cl-; also water itself H2O breaks into H+ and OH- ). - Colloidal particles are formed by uncharged atoms or molecules. In the formation process they lump together, bound loosely e.g. by water bridges, but can fasten the bonds by chemical activity. These giant molecules are formed so quickly that H+ or OH- (depending on the kind of colloid) are caught and also built into the loose structure and gives the colloidal particle its charge. What does this mean for our CS? With low voltage direct current (LVDC) we detach silver ions from the silver rod connected to the (positive) anode. In our solution we have then silver ions Ag+, H+ and OH-. But when the Ag+ travel through the water, some of them recombine with the OH- and form neutral AgOH molecules. These molecules now lump together and include H+ ions. These positively charged colloids repel each other and prevent the formation of larger particles or even precipitation of the whole stuff. The faster the colloids are formed the more H+ ions are included, the stronger is the repulsion which leads to smaller colloids. Adding salts to a colloidal solution means adding of foreign ions which are attached to the colloids and disturb the repulsion.
RE: CSThis is a test by the list owner...
I wrote: Sorry for the inconvenience. grin James replied: We have got to stop this off-point frittering-away of our bandwidth! I answer: Tee heee! What it *MEANS*, Mr. Holmes, is that our archive provider is now subscribed to the list! That message was the first to show up on the web site at e-scribe. Now, don't go rushing over to www.escribe.com and looking under the Health category for our new archive, since *all* it has in it are about the last 20 posts (NINE of which are from *YOU* sir! Harumpf!). GRIN I'm almost ready to send off the last 2 1/2 years worth of old messages to be uploaded to the database. *THEN* it'll be a real resource! Ahh the sweet smell of progress. Or is that smoke coming out of the back of my monitor? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS and skin spots
Hmmm. Recently had a spot burned off my arm, and it just kind of stayed the same. One day, (smacks self on forehead) I started dripping cs on it. Within two days, the burned spot peeled off, leaving a small pink scar, which is gone now. My son just had a HUGE mole cut off his leg. The Dr. said it would be 2 weeks before he could take the stitches out. I've been dosing him inside and out with cs, and I'm hoping to have him back at the Dr's with stitches out in a week. I'll let you know how it all turns out. Sparrow -Well folks I am doing a test. I have made a mixture of msm and cs and put it on the spots on my arm that were burnt off by the dermatologist. I am putting this on only one arm. Nothing but the prescribed H peroxide on the other arm. What do you think will happen? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSSolutions Colloids Ions...was CS information needed
Reply in your text. -Original Message- From: Guenter Poelz [SMTP:po...@mail.desy.de] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 4:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSSolutions Colloids Ions...was CS information needed Hello, let me contribute with what I have learned in chemistry. Many things have been stated already many times in this list. I will try to clarify some statements: Ions and colloidal particles both are charged, but they are different. - Metallic ions are formed when one or more electrons are stripped from the outer surface of the uncharged metallic atom. Such an ion is then positively charged. (It is also possible, but much more difficult, to attach an ion to a metallic atom to generate a negatively charged ion). Ions are also often formed by breaking a molecule into two radicals. If the electrons are unevenly divided, one part (with too much electrons) becomes a negative ion, the other one (with lacking electrons) becomes a positive one. Water is an excellent medium to penetrate into salt molecules and breaks it into ions (kitchen-salt NaCl is broken into Na+ and Cl-; also water itself H2O breaks into H+ and OH- ). Thanks. - Colloidal particles are formed by uncharged atoms or molecules. In the formation process they lump together, bound loosely e.g. by water bridges, but can fasten the bonds by chemical activity. These giant molecules are formed so quickly that H+ or OH- (depending on the kind of colloid) are caught and also built into the loose structure and gives the colloidal particle its charge. Would you call that a hydrated silver, or is it a different thing when the hydroxyl and the proton are separated? Do you know where I can learn about the geometry of this substance? If there were not an equal number of both bound into a given group, you could have an Ag sol with a negative charge as well as a positive charge. That would make some of them stick together? What does this mean for our CS? With low voltage direct current (LVDC) we detach silver ions from the silver rod connected to the (positive) anode. In our solution we have then silver ions Ag+, H+ and OH-. But when the Ag+ travel through the water, some of them recombine with the OH- and form neutral AgOH molecules. These molecules now lump together and include H+ ions. These positively charged colloids repel each other and prevent the formation of larger particles or even precipitation of the whole stuff. What happens to the ones which have more H+ or OH- when they meet their complement? Some Ag sol particles precipitate. When the individual ions come off the electrode, what causes some of them to clump into large clusters and others clump into small clusters? The faster the colloids are formed Are you talking about the rate they leave the electrode, or the rate they form into clumps with protons and OHs? the more H+ ions are included, the stronger is the repulsion which leads to smaller colloids. What happens to the Ohs left over from the H+ being bound with the silver? Adding salts to a colloidal solution means adding of foreign ions So, it is an immigration problem! which are attached to the colloids and disturb the repulsion. Precipitation will result. I don't know about that, but I do know that high currents will make Ag particles which will precipitate without much of anything else in the water. I think with LVDC we generate colloidal silver oxide which is formed from the AgOH by chemical transformation. Isn't silver oxide relatively insoluble in water? This would leave a lot of protons. The sol would become acid? If one wants to generate metallic colloids one has to use a different process: One has to evaporate metallic silver by sparking under water, by evaporating silver with a energetic laser beam, by ultrasound etc. These silver atoms, dispersed in water, also lump together, but typically include OH- ions. Are any of the folks on the list building the laser devices? Will they work with 3 9V batteries? To improve the insulation of the colloids from each other, and not only rely on the electric repulsion, some companies manage to cover the colloids with a skin of organic compounds, e.g. proteins. To what group of colloids the HVDC or HVAC CS is belonging, I have no idea. Hopefully this helps to clarify, Thanks, I will have to think about this more. JOH Gunter James Osbourne, Holmes schrieb: Thanks for the clarification Ian. You're the last clause of your statement:, The manner of creating ions by electrolysis is well researched and straight forward, if not fully understood. , certainly applies to me. My comments to excerpts from your last post: Ian: The manner of creating ions by electrolysis is well researched and straight forward, if not fully understood. One would need to add protons to create a positive charge, which would create a different element? Hydrogen ions (protons) have a positive charge and are
RE: CSSolutions Colloids Ions.
I think the question I have when boiled down is: if a single-atom ion is a colloid, then what distinguishes it from a dissolved atom in solution? Ahh the nub! A single-atom ion is in solution. But it is difficult to achieve this. Water OZ claim this feature, using laser ablation I believe, the trick being to cool and arrest the agrigation of the single atomic ions. A colloid by definition has particles 1 nm or larger in size, which therefore must contain multi-atom particles. Ivan, would you please run distinction between the two by me again. What is the difference between a dissolved substance and a colloid if a single ionized atom of a substance in the solute is a colloid? JOH -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes [SMTP:a...@trail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 10:43 AM To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Subject:RE: CSSolutions Colloids Ions. Hi IVAN, If my spelling checker can't see it, I'm back to my on resources; not that good in spelling and typos. I am pressed for time. I will checkout your response asap. Thanks, James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 4:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSSolutions Colloids Ions. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com Hey James, You are the second person to call me Ian this week. What happened did someone change my name ( the source of my power wilt ) when I wasn't looking? Thanks for the clarification Ian. You're the last clause of your statement:, The manner of creating ions by electrolysis is well researched and straight forward, if not fully understood. , certainly applies to me. My comments to excerpts from your last post: Ian: The manner of creating ions by electrolysis is well researched and straight forward, if not fully understood. One would need to add protons to create a positive charge, which would create a different element? Hydrogen ions (protons) have a positive charge and are unlikely to combine with silver (there are no silver hydrides). They are more likely to be reduced at the cathode as hydrogen gas. JOH: I am suggesting not that the proton enters the nucleus of a silver atom to create a new element, but that it may be somehow associated---is that vague enough?---with the metallic Ag cluster. Some of the hydrogen bubbles off at the electrode; some stays in solution as ionized water, balancing the pair of oxygen atoms. Isn't pH the log of the number of free protons in the solution? If the electrolysis current took an extra electron rather than donating on it would leave a proton. Could some of them be contributing to the plus charge on/around(?) the silver cluster? Yes pH is the negative log of free H+ ions. At pH 7 there are an equal number of H+ ions and OH- ions. When a potential is applied in the water, the H+ ions head straight for the Negative electrode where they are supplied with an electron, combine and head for the surface as Hydrogen gas. There are no free oxygen ions in water. Water molecules are not disassociated easily. There are no free electrons in the water (electrons can't swim, as one text put it). So there is not much that can happen to the silver other than to lose electrons at the anode and regain them at the cathode, and exist as silver ions in between. Ian: Silver Colloid particles are agrigates of either single silver ions (simple ions) creating complex ions, or simple ions and metallic atoms which will have a charge lower than the former. Monoatomic ions are reactive because of their size, multiatomic ions are able to accept more electrons per particle. JOH: What is the difference between a complex silver ion and a metallic silver colloid particle? Or, what is the difference between multiatomic ions---and a colloid? If multiatomic ions are able to accept more electrons than a bit of metal, doesn't that make them more reactive? Is there a difference between a multiatomic silver ion and a charged metallic silver particle? Are we making some of both? A complex ion, or multiatomic ion, is an agrigate of monatomic ions. The charge on this particle is the same as the charge on one atom times the number of atoms it is composed of. A metallic silver colloid particle has no charge. A colloid may be composed of multiatomic ions, or metallic particles, or a combination of both. The term colloid describes the state that exists between between particles and solvant. This mostly means the suspended particles must be of a particular size, where they will not easily settle out or cannot be thought to be dissolved. When I mention multiatomic ions I mean a particle composed of monatomic ions. A charged metallic particle suggests a particle that has lost one or more electrons but has more first valency electrons that it could loose. In other words a
RE: CSParasites
The image of your vet sitting in front of his microscope with a puzzled frown and a big virtual ? over his head popped into my mind at your description. I laughed out loud. -Original Message- From: Marsha Hallett [SMTP:liah...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 9:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSParasites Hello Marsha, I've seen your posts regarding your birds health and have a question for you. First off, I have a double yellowhead amazon (no folks, it doesn't have two heads) and am always interested in how to take the best care of him. Do you have any idea how your bird came to get giardia? In my neck of the woods, it is carried by mammals such as mountain beavers and is spread through the water from their feces to other critters. Did you water your bird with stream water by chance? Or do you think it was passed from another bird? Or do you know? I would like to think there's no way my bird could get it but now you have me worrying a bit. Could you please clarify what you think or know it was that gave giardia to your bird (snake with feathers). That's what my wife calls ours because of his nasty attitude toward her. Trem Dear Trem, I have no idea how she got the bugs, she had them when I bought her at a birdshow in San Francisco.(I presume she was infected by another bird. Probably in the usual poop soup birds love to create in their drinking water.) All I know is that the vet positively ID`d them under a microscope. They weren`t moving, as I`d already given her some CS the night before!! Vet was trying to figure that out... :o) Sorry I`m not much more help. Give your Amazon a big hug from me! They are cool birds. Love, Marsha PS, I also used CS on some finches successfully. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSHow to heat solution?
Hi Victoria, Thanks for the suggestions; If I can get something to happen that I really like, and can repeat it a few times, I will rig up something to deal with the start temp control. JOH -Original Message- From: Victoria Welch [SMTP:vi...@oz.net] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:05 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSHow to heat solution? James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: I suggest the aquarium heater only to bring the solution up to temp for [ ... ] The pain is having to watch it so you don't get it too hot, and then have to cool it. Or you can do what I used to do to process color film in my bathroom. Either get a controlled temperature faucet OR (what I did) get a decent reasonably fast acting thermometer and fill the sink slowly enough that the overflow will handle it (or partially crack the stopper) while adjusting the hot and cold to get a given temperature. I used to use a glass with the thermometer in it to start under the faucet - as the sink fills it takes longer to compensate for differences. I think this was the secret to making this process reasonably easy. This worked quite well enough to get the photo processing chemicals to 77F (as I recall). It was a PITA to adjust the first time, but after that I marked the faucet control knobs and adjustment was pretty quick. If you are going for a long run and are worried about wasting water, you can get it started this way, use the water to transfer to whatever you are sticking the brew cup in and *then* put in the heater and adjust it to where it just comes on. I did that here with the fish tank - I caught a day where the ambient temperature was what I wanted the fish tank to be - stuck the heater in the tank and adjusted it to just come on and the tank has maintained the temperature (every time I ever checked) very closely. Just a thought! Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSHow to heat solution?
Hi Steve, Boiling water warps CDsbut you must have meant DC. All I know about the subject is that the fellow who built the machine recommends about 75-80 for optimal production of particles. Generally, reactions of any type occur faster at higher temperatures. After all, temp is the vibratory rate of the substance. Speaking very simply, I think. Anytime you can control one variable, you know the changes are coming from others. In that sense, having the same start temp will be beneficial with any voltage or frequency. How it will change particle size and yield has not yet been published. When I made LVDC the cloud formed denser faster when the temperature was higher. My guess is that boiling the water will change its chemistry, a big pot of boiling water is dangerous, it is an additional energy use in the production of the silver and since it can be done without it, why bother. I use 80F. I try to keep it the same, within about a half a degree so that I will know that variations are caused by other factors. I am using a Taylor glass thermometer which is supposed to be accurate to about one tenth of a degree, but the resolution is not much better than a half a degree. Incidentally, do you know what happens when you put a cool thermometer in a warm liquid? The stuff in the thermometer expands, right? Wrong. The glass expands; the column drops slightly, initially. Happy dispersing... -Original Message- From: Steve King [SMTP:ssk...@nildram.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 1:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:RE: CSHow to heat solution? My 1/2 g. pot is plastic, so I would need to create a double boiler to use the thing over a flame. It only takes about 10 minutes if you place the tank in a sink full of hot water. The pain is having to watch it so you don't get it too hot, and then have to cool it. Yes. The warm water bath is a pain but so is the long cooking times of my DC setup! I do want to get into HVAC but I'm getting my feet wet with DC.: ) Your comment above about there being a downside to heat. . . Do we have any quantification of this? In other words. . . what would happen if I went ahead and kept the water at boiling or just below? Is there any evidence that this hurts or help the CD process? many thanx! Steve King -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CS miracle
Another case of loose affect Doctor; make a note that the Ag material apparently depresses the superegoThat alone will be sufficient evidence to link it with the shootings. I'll call Dr. Fung immediately -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [SMTP:mdev...@mail.id.net] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 1:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS miracle This was a marvelous thing. I love reading stuff like this! In fact I love this list! I love you all! (Sorry people.I'm just a *tad* slaphappy today :-) !) Pam We love you TOO Pam! swack! grin Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSThis is a test by the list owner...
We have got to stop this off-point frittering-away of our bandwidth! -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [SMTP:mdev...@mail.id.net] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:38 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSThis is a test by the list owner... Sorry for the inconvenience. grin -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS** Signs That You've Had Too Much of the 90s
Fw: Signs That You've Had Too Much of the 90s 1.) You tried to enter your password on the microwave. 2.) You now think of three espressos as getting wasted. 3.) You haven't played solitaire with a real deck of cards in years. 4.) You have a list of 15 phone numbers to reach your family of 3. 5.) You e-mail your son in his room to tell him that dinner is ready, and he e-mails you back What's for dinner? 6.) Your daughter sells Girl Scout Cookies via her web site. 7.) You chat several times a day with a stranger from South Africa, but you haven't spoken to your next door neighbor yet this year. 8.) You didn't give your valentine a card this year, but you posted one for your e-mail buddies via a web page. 9.) Your daughter just bought a C.D. of all the records your college roommate used to play. 10.) You check the ingredients on a can of chicken noodle soup to see if it contains echinacea. 11.) You check your blow dryer to see if it's Y2K compliant. 12.) Your grandmother clogs up your e-mail Inbox, asking you to send her JPEG file of your newborn so she can create a screen saver. 13.) You pull up in your own driveway and use your cell phone to see if anyone is home. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments
Hello Ian, The cones are quite high; at least 3/8 inch. I will measure them carefully next run. I had a setback today; my Spec. stopped working and I spent a lot of time figuring out it was the light source, because I got an Ohms reading through a burned-out bulb. I have become accustomed to using PPM because that is what most everyone on the list uses. I don't have a direct formula to convert mS to PPM, but I will get one. My meter displays either. Microsiemens are a measure of conductance; it is the Ohm---unit of resistance, upside down; the reciprocal or 1/Ohms. It is used to describe the purity of water: the lower the mS reading, the less other things it has in it, and the less conductive it is. PPM meters are conductivity meters calibrated in PPM, based on a particular solute, for example most of them use a solution of salt of a given concentration to calibrate. Different solutes will actually have a different PPM when matching the conductivity of salt, but it is close enough for most work. The water I am producing currently measures 0.4 [zero point four] mS. That is about 17 times purer than the 7 mS water. Bruce says a starting water of about 0.8 is optimal. I am adding CACO3 to improve conductivity, but I don't know what the CO3 is doing in the process. Send the water and some of your silver; I will do a PPM test on both the water and the sol. For a limited control, you could also have Bob Berger test it. Thank you for your offer of help. Please send it to: Aztec 1710 Lena Santa Fe New Mexico PC 87505 -Original Message- From: roesil...@aol.com [SMTP:roesil...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 7:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments In a message dated 9/14/1999 8:44:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a...@trail.com writes: I like Bruce's units very much. He has been very helpful in trying to solve the low yield problem, but we are both stumped. I trust his data. I think the problem lies with my water, which is Santa Fe city water through a RO and a Still, with Carbon for the light organics. James, how high are the cones that you are pulling? I tried several different brands of distilled water up here in Toronto locally. There is only one brand that consistently allows me to pull cones about 3/8 to 1/2 from the surface. (Crystal Springs) They measure their dissolved solids by something called microsiemens, whatever they are, (don't know) and they say theirs is less than 12, and usually about 7. A local fellow has tried using his distiller, pre and post filtering with carbon, then double distilling and triple distilling but he hasn't yet been able to do any better than the off brands of distilled that I buy which only pull cones 1/16 to 1/8 high. I think Bruce has consistently said that the quality of the water you start with sure makes a big difference. I could probably ship 4 liters of the stuff to you for you to try out and a pint of the product for you to test if you want. I'd be interested in knowing how you make out with it. Email me privately if you wish this. ian...@aol.com Ian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSSolutions Colloids Ions...was CS information needed
This is incomprehensible in this form. I am adjusting the formatting and sending it around again. -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes [SMTP:a...@trail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 8:45 PM To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Subject:RE: CSSolutions Colloids Ions...was CS information needed Reply in your text. -Original Message- From: Guenter Poelz [SMTP:po...@mail.desy.de] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 4:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSSolutions Colloids Ions...was CS information needed Guenter:Hello, let me contribute with what I have learned in chemistry. Many things have been stated already many times in this list. I will try to clarify some statements: Ions and colloidal particles both are charged, but they are different. - Metallic ions are formed when one or more electrons are stripped from the outer surface of the uncharged metallic atom. Such an ion is then positively charged. (It is also possible, but much more difficult, to attach an ion to a metallic atom to generate a negatively charged ion). Ions are also often formed by breaking a molecule into two radicals. If the electrons are unevenly divided, one part (with too much electrons) becomes a negative ion, the other one (with lacking electrons) becomes a positive one. Water is an excellent medium to penetrate into salt molecules and breaks it into ions (kitchen-salt NaCl is broken into Na+ and Cl-; also water itself H2O breaks into H+ and OH- ). JOH: Thanks. G:- Colloidal particles are formed by uncharged atoms or molecules. In the formation process they lump together, bound loosely e.g. by water bridges, but can fasten the bonds by chemical activity. These giant molecules are formed so quickly that H+ or OH- (depending on the kind of colloid) are caught and also built into the loose structure and gives the colloidal particle its charge. JOH: Would you call that a hydrated silver, or is it a different thing when the hydroxyl and the proton are separated? Do you know where I can learn about the geometry of this substance? If there were not an equal number of both bound into a given group, you could have an Ag sol with a negative charge as well as a positive charge. That would make some of them stick together? G: What does this mean for our CS? With low voltage direct current (LVDC) we detach silver ions from the silver rod connected to the (positive) anode. In our solution we have then silver ions Ag+, H+ and OH-. But when the Ag+ travel through the water, some of them recombine with the OH- and form neutral AgOH molecules. These molecules now lump together and include H+ ions. These positively charged colloids repel each other and prevent the formation of larger particles or even precipitation of the whole stuff. JOH: What happens to the ones which have more H+ or OH- when they meet their complement? Some Ag sol particles precipitate. When the individual ions come off the electrode, what causes some of them to clump into large clusters and others clump into small clusters? G: The faster the colloids are formed JOH: Are you talking about the rate they leave the electrode, or the rate they form into clumps with protons and OHs? the more H+ ions are included, the stronger is the repulsion which leads to smaller colloids. What happens to the Ohs left over from the H+ being bound with the silver? G: Adding salts to a colloidal solution means adding of foreign ions JOH: So, it is an immigration problem! G: which are attached to the colloids and disturb the repulsion. Precipitation will result. JOH: I don't know about that, but I do know that high currents will make Ag particles which will precipitate without much of anything else in the water. G: I think with LVDC we generate colloidal silver oxide which is formed from the AgOH by chemical transformation. JOH: Isn't silver oxide relatively insoluble in water? This would leave a lot of protons. The sol would become acid? G: If one wants to generate metallic colloids one has to use a different process: One has to evaporate metallic silver by sparking under water, by evaporating silver with a energetic laser beam, by ultrasound etc. These silver atoms, dispersed in water, also lump together, but typically include OH- ions. JOH: Are any of the folks on the list building the laser devices? Will they work with 3 9V batteries? G: To improve the insulation of the colloids from each other, and not only rely on the electric repulsion, some companies manage to cover the colloids with a skin of organic compounds, e.g. proteins. To what group of colloids the HVDC or HVAC CS is belonging, I have no idea. Hopefully this helps to clarify, Gunter JOH: Thanks, I will have to think about this more. James Osbourne, Holmes schrieb: Thanks for the clarification Ian. You're the last clause of your statement:, The manner of creating ions by
CS measurements ?!
James and Ian, [ ... ] I have become accustomed to using PPM because that is what most everyone on the list uses. I don't have a direct formula to convert mS to PPM, but I will get one. My meter displays either. If you have a formula to convert PPM to mS, I would appreciate it if you could pass it along. I now have the Hanna TDS and would like to make it as useful (or potentially so) as possible. Microsiemens are a measure of conductance; it is the Ohm---unit of resistance, upside down; the reciprocal or 1/Ohms. [ ... ] Hummm, it might be iteresting to see if my computed resistance will match the TDS value when computed that way. Just a quick computation from some of my data came out to a finished mS of 0.00011626 (1/8601), maybe it doesn't work that way...?!? Send the water and some of your silver; I will do a PPM test on both the water and the sol. For a limited control, you could also have Bob Berger test it. I am, first off, courious as to what you use to get the actual PPM reading. Device, manufacturer, cost, supply costs? thoughts and comments? If you don't mind me asking. This not knowing is driving me to drink (fortunately it is CS I am drinking :). In the process, if you do testing, what are your rates? Santa Fe New Mexico Loved the area - hated the economy. The Pojaque(sp?) were a real thrill as well :-/. Got to visit the old governers place down on the square and in general explore the area and thoroughly enjoyed it. What an archeological paradise :)! After a few days there I could breath again :-). Thanks and take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CS measurements ?!
Hi System Goddess, Measuring PPM of silver sol with a conductivity meter is tricky, if not impossible. Ask Bob B. for his test data. It is damn near random. Mike D. says if you do a proper calibration procedure, it can be a usable check. I don't really know. Bruce M. says it may sometimes show correlation, but is mostly useless. I use a conductivity meter---which also outputs in mS to measure start water purity only. I measure mg/L---which is PPM--- of the sol I make with a color transmittance spectrophotometer. mS, when measuring a specific solute, will tell you the PPM[mg/L] . I do not think it is useful to measure PPM of a sol, because the sol does not behave like a dissolved monatomic ion. A mS meter is really a very sensitive Ohmmeter which reads out in the inverse of Ohms; very small units of conductivity. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Victoria Welch [SMTP:vi...@oz.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 12:24 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS measurements ?! James and Ian, [ ... ] I have become accustomed to using PPM because that is what most everyone on the list uses. I don't have a direct formula to convert mS to PPM, but I will get one. My meter displays either. If you have a formula to convert PPM to mS, I would appreciate it if you could pass it along. I now have the Hanna TDS and would like to make it as useful (or potentially so) as possible. Microsiemens are a measure of conductance; it is the Ohm---unit of resistance, upside down; the reciprocal or 1/Ohms. [ ... ] Hummm, it might be iteresting to see if my computed resistance will match the TDS value when computed that way. Just a quick computation from some of my data came out to a finished mS of 0.00011626 (1/8601), maybe it doesn't work that way...?!? Send the water and some of your silver; I will do a PPM test on both the water and the sol. For a limited control, you could also have Bob Berger test it. I am, first off, courious as to what you use to get the actual PPM reading. Device, manufacturer, cost, supply costs? thoughts and comments? If you don't mind me asking. This not knowing is driving me to drink (fortunately it is CS I am drinking :). In the process, if you do testing, what are your rates? Santa Fe New Mexico Loved the area - hated the economy. The Pojaque(sp?) were a real thrill as well :-/. Got to visit the old governers place down on the square and in general explore the area and thoroughly enjoyed it. What an archeological paradise :)! After a few days there I could breath again :-). Thanks and take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CS measurements ?!
HI V., More careful reading of your last post. I got my venerable Spectronics 20, a college quant. analysis course grade and good general purpose unit used for 415.91 whatever-they-are from Coast Scientific. I have about another 700 in glassware and other science-like doodads. The Hach reagents cost about 0.55 per test. Once you get it down, it is just Joy of Cooking. God Bless Irma R. I can do a test in about 20 minutes, and it takes the spec about 15 to warm up. It has hit a Hach ACS grade solution of AgNO3 diluted to 4 PPM right on the button every time I check it. I mean 4.0. I don't know what is happening a couple of digits over, but who cares... They turn up on the web from time to time. There are really precise and exotic used ones available if you have about three times the bux, as the big guys want the hottest/latest, and dump perfectly good instruments for cheap. I have a bunch of used lab equipment links. You are hooked. Santa Fe has great weather and sky. Bummer, though, if Los Alamos blows, we are right downwind. And there is lots of black ops in the hills...transdimensional hyper-intelligent soulless lizzard overlords hiss and slither at the edge of your cactus-fractured mind- shadow Man! it is late. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Victoria Welch [SMTP:vi...@oz.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 12:24 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS measurements ?! James and Ian, [ ... ] I have become accustomed to using PPM because that is what most everyone on the list uses. I don't have a direct formula to convert mS to PPM, but I will get one. My meter displays either. If you have a formula to convert PPM to mS, I would appreciate it if you could pass it along. I now have the Hanna TDS and would like to make it as useful (or potentially so) as possible. Microsiemens are a measure of conductance; it is the Ohm---unit of resistance, upside down; the reciprocal or 1/Ohms. [ ... ] Hummm, it might be iteresting to see if my computed resistance will match the TDS value when computed that way. Just a quick computation from some of my data came out to a finished mS of 0.00011626 (1/8601), maybe it doesn't work that way...?!? Send the water and some of your silver; I will do a PPM test on both the water and the sol. For a limited control, you could also have Bob Berger test it. I am, first off, courious as to what you use to get the actual PPM reading. Device, manufacturer, cost, supply costs? thoughts and comments? If you don't mind me asking. This not knowing is driving me to drink (fortunately it is CS I am drinking :). In the process, if you do testing, what are your rates? Santa Fe New Mexico Loved the area - hated the economy. The Pojaque(sp?) were a real thrill as well :-/. Got to visit the old governers place down on the square and in general explore the area and thoroughly enjoyed it. What an archeological paradise :)! After a few days there I could breath again :-). Thanks and take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS** Signs That You've Had Too Much of the 90s
Debbie McDonald wrote: Fw: Signs That You've Had Too Much of the 90s 1.) You tried to enter your password on the microwave. 2.) You now think of three espressos as getting wasted. 3.) You haven't played solitaire with a real deck of cards in years. 4.) You have a list of 15 phone numbers to reach your family of 3. 5.) You e-mail your son in his room to tell him that dinner is ready, and he e-mails you back What's for dinner? 6.) Your daughter sells Girl Scout Cookies via her web site. 7.) You chat several times a day with a stranger from South Africa, but you haven't spoken to your next door neighbor yet this year. 8.) You didn't give your valentine a card this year, but you posted one for your e-mail buddies via a web page. 9.) Your daughter just bought a C.D. of all the records your college roommate used to play. 10.) You check the ingredients on a can of chicken noodle soup to see if it contains echinacea. 11.) You check your blow dryer to see if it's Y2K compliant. 12.) Your grandmother clogs up your e-mail Inbox, asking you to send her JPEG file of your newborn so she can create a screen saver. 13.) You pull up in your own driveway and use your cell phone to see if anyone is home. Hi Debbie, Wonderful, super duper, love you gal. Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSThe Quest for documented / scientific reports on colloidal silver
Hi all! Here's a start : Regional Pharmacy Services and Silver Water, Inc. MEMO: Regarding lab testing of various strains of bacterias, yeast and molds The following results were observed and recorded after exposing various strains of bacteria, yeast and mold to Regional Pharmacy Service's specially formulated Colloidal Silver with a concentration of Three Parts per Million. 1. There was a dramatic 99.999% reduction of both the bacteria strains and the yeast within 24 hours. 2. This 99.999% reduction of both the bacteria strains and the yeast continued for the first week and stayed reduced for a full month (28+ days). 3. There was a 90.0% reduction of the molds tested within 24 hours. 4. This 90.0% reduction of the molds continued for the first week and stayed reduced for a full month. Interpretation of Lab Testing Results - The Regional Pharmacy Service (RPS) and Silver Water Inc.'s Colloidal Silver with a concentration of Three Parts per Million exhibits a consistent ability to radically destroy over 99% of all pathogenic bacteria and yeast and over 90% of molds exposed to the specifically formulated RPS colloidal silver. (Article from Family Health News) Since the body is known to have a vital need for silver to maintain both the immune system and the production of new healthy cells, and due to the harmonious nature of colloids entering the body, it stands within reason that colloidal silver may be harmless. Just to prove the point make a sixteen-ounce solution of well over 250 ppm and drink it. It's plenty safe. This makes sense according to Capitol Drugs pharmacist Ron Barnes, PhD. Many strains of pathogenic microbes, viruses, fungi, bacteria or any other single celled pathogen resistant to other antibiotics are killed on contact by colloidal silver, and are unable to mutate. However, it does not harm tissue-cell enzymes and friendly bacteria. Email:livinghea...@involved.com mailto:livinghea...@involved.com Website:http://www.involved.com/livinghealth New Website:http://www.rawhealth.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSFW: Osteoporosis
-Original Message- From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 17.9.99 Hi there everyone! I'm throwing out a hopeful line for a brave lady who's suffered two back operations and is desperate to find something to prevent a worsening of her condition which is osteoporosis. She is taking cal-mag and is going to start on Colloidal Silver for its all-round properties. Any ideas ..? Many thanks! and just for fun .. a bit of male revenge Please note that with the arrival of the new Drive-thru cash point machines customers will be able to withdraw cash without leaving their vehicles. To enable users to use this new facility the following procedures have been drawn up. Please read the procedure that applies to your own circumstances(i.e. MALE or FEMALE) and remember them for when you use the machine for the first time. MALE PROCEDURE 1. Drive up to the cash machine. 2. Wind down your car window. 3. Insert card into machine and enter PIN. 4. Enter amount of cash required and withdraw. 5. Retrieve card, cash, and receipt 6. Wind up window 7. Drive off FEMALE PROCEDURE 1. Drive up to cash machine 2. Reverse back the required amount to align car window to machine 3. Re-start the stalled engine 4. Wind down the window 5. Find handbag, remove all contents on to passenger seat to locate = card. 6. Locate make-up bag and check make-up in rear view mirror 7. Attempt to insert card into machine 8. Open car door to allow easier access to machine due to its excessive = distance from the car 9. Insert card 10. Insert card the right way up 11. Re-enter handbag to find diary with your PIN written on the inside = back page 12. Enter PIN. 13. Press cancel and re-enter correct PIN. 14. Enter amount of cash required 15. Re-check make up in rear view mirror 16. Retrieve cash and receipt 17. Empty handbag again to locate purse and place cash inside 18. Place receipt in back of cheque book 19. Re-check make-up again 20. Drive forwards 2 metres 21. Reverse back to cash machine 22. Retrieve card 23. Re-empty hand bag, locate card holder, and place card into the slot provided 24. Re-check make-up 25. Restart stalled engine and pull off 26. Drive for 3 to 4 miles 27. Release hand brake -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSIons or not ions, that is the question
Yesterday someone said to me, If the CS that you are taking is working for you, it is the silver in the CS that you are taking that is being absorbed by your body, and giving you the benefit you say you perceive, not the ions. The body cannot absorb ions. The body can absorb silver. It is silver, not ions that is being absorbed into your blood stream. Either the CS you are drinking contains silver as well as ions or reacts with acids or whatever in your mouth or wherever in your body and forms silver. It is silver, not ions, that is absorbed by your body and goes into your blood stream and provides the benefit that you say you are experiencing. Any comments? PLEASE comment. 1. Are silver compounds apt or not apt to be formed as the CS comes in contact with whatever in the mouth or stomach? If yes, is this more apt to happen with freshly made CS than CS that is a month old? 2. If yes, is this why a manufacturer would prefer to stabilize the CS with a protein first? 2. Why do I read recommendations like, Take CS in the morning before brushing the teeth with toothpaste. Take CS on an empty stomach. Valid or not valid? 3. Would it be advisable to rinse one's mouth out before taking CS or brush one's teeth without toothpaste, just DW say, before sipping CS? 4. If silver compounds are formed as one sips CS, would there be certain kinds of food, toothpaste, etc that would be more contraindicated than others when you are close to CS sipping time? 5. Does diluting the CS in 8 oz of water play a role in this regard? If so, does it make a significant difference if you dilute the CS with distilled water vs using a water with more dissolved solids in it? Comments or opinions, please. -- Carlos LeClair
CSremove
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RE: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments
Microsiemens are a measure of conductance; it is the Ohm---unit of resistance, upside down; the reciprocal or 1/Ohms. It is used to describe the purity of water: the lower the mS reading, the less other things it has in it, and the less conductive it is. Very helpful! I have in the past bought purified water here in the UK that said: less than 30 microS on the container. - not very pure after all, I see now. I have also bought water that simply says BP, a British standard I think for water purity but I don't know the conductivity limits. cheers -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSHow to heat solution?
Boiling water warps CDsbut you must have meant DC. I just reread that bit. .. . no IDEA what I meant ! All I know about the subject is that the fellow who built the machine recommends about 75-80 for optimal production of particles. Generally, reactions of any type occur faster at higher temperatures. Great. that's what I needed. Makes perfect sense. I think I will just keep the room warmer than I have been. we don't believe much in warm rooms, here in the UK for some reason. central heating and indoor privies are still just catching on ; ) cheers and thanx. Steve King -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
On Friday, September 17, 1999 1:01 PM, donna2...@aol.com wrote:
Date: 17-Sep-1999 14:01:19 -0400
From: donna2...@aol.com
To: m...@jazz {silver-l...@eskimo.com}
Subject: Re: CSALERT
to all,
Will this effect Bruce from CsPro? How about wateroz?
I can't believe they can do this.
Donna
More than likely not. Bruce's bottles say the CS is a mineral supplement
and makes *no* claims as to health cures. The problem is going to be for
those manufacturers that try to label their CS as a cure all or
specifically curing some illness. Just label the bottle as a supplement.
It's all in the marketing of the product.
Mike M.
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Re: CSALERT
This could just be the re-emergence of information on last month's ruling from the FDA about colloidal silver and it's ingredients being not proven safe or effective for use in over the counter meds. Given the usual state of the rumor mill, and the tendency of some to *want* to stir up controversy and anxiety to promote sales, it is possible this is only the same info we visited then, going around for the second time. I would be real pleased if y'all would keep digging and see if there's anything *new* in the press about FDA action. And if somebody wants to repost some of the links and such from last month, maybe that'll give us a jumping off point for knowing where to look for any new info. Stay calm. Do not panic. Do not give up. Also, let's be circumspect in raising political issues on the list, lest we find ourselves distracted by arguments about the various philosophies, politicians, etc... As it applies to policies and enforcement toward our little corner of the CS world, we can talk about these things. But lets try to stay on point and not assume that everybody will agree on anything else! Be well, Mike D. silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
On Friday, September 17, 1999 2:48 PM, Mercer wrote:
Date: 17-Sep-1999 12:48:00 -0700
From: Mercer
To: m...@jazz {silver-l...@eskimo.com}
Subject: Re: CSALERT
Just called The Vitamin Shoppe, which is a HUGE catalog. I talked to the
department that gives the word to take it out of the catalog and they said
that a notice went out about three weeks ago across the country from the FDA
to remove all colloidal silver from the market. They have removed all brands
including their own.
Anyone know what went out three weeks ago and are they just misinterpreting
it?
Jo
I searched the FDA web site and found a report by the FDA stating
colloidal silver and *silver salts*( I hate how they try to lump the two
together! :-\ ). The report mentioned that the compound was not
considered beneficial to animals or humans. I don't know if that's where
this is coming from, but the report was back in May of this year. That
was the latest bit of information that the FDA had on its website re:
Colloidal Silver. Please keep the in touch regarding the FDA trying to
limit the use of CS! Thanks for the heads up.
Mike M.
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Re: CSThe Quest for documented / scientific reports on colloida
Hi Yvonne, list! A citation like this is a starting point, but doesn't give us a *whole* lot, unfortunately... The cite is at the bottom of a long page of info about CS that is a faithful rehash of what we've always been told. The only reference provided to back up any of what they say is Article from Family Health News. We don't know what issue, or that it's not a company publication or otherwise commercially affiliated with the vendor. So a first step is to see if there is such a publication and find the referenced article. Then trace back to authors or sources if possible, to the actual test results, if they'll share them. *That* will begin to approach documented results! GRIN Which is to say there's a lot of work to do to really nail these things down. Marketers like this, in the absence of real data, tend to throw words at it until it looks real and just hope for the best. We know there's very little hard date to be found to begin with. So, this item shows that somebody claims to have bought some culture testing at a lab, and that the results were good. It at least jibes with what we know from experience. Good digging. Keep us up to date! Be well, Mike D. Hi all! Here's a start : Regional Pharmacy Services and Silver Water, Inc. MEMO: Regarding lab testing of various strains of bacterias, yeast and molds The following results were observed and recorded after exposing various strains of bacteria, yeast and mold to Regional Pharmacy Service's specially formulated Colloidal Silver with a concentration of Three Parts per Million. 1. There was a dramatic 99.999% reduction of both the bacteria strains and the yeast within 24 hours. 2. This 99.999% reduction of both the bacteria strains and the yeast continued for the first week and stayed reduced for a full month (28+ days). 3. There was a 90.0% reduction of the molds tested within 24 hours. 4. This 90.0% reduction of the molds continued for the first week and stayed reduced for a full month. Interpretation of Lab Testing Results - The Regional Pharmacy Service (RPS) and Silver Water Inc.'s Colloidal Silver with a concentration of Three Parts per Million exhibits a consistent ability to radically destroy over 99% of all pathogenic bacteria and yeast and over 90% of molds exposed to the specifically formulated RPS colloidal silver. (Article from Family Health News) Since the body is known to have a vital need for silver to maintain both the immune system and the production of new healthy cells, and due to the harmonious nature of colloids entering the body, it stands within reason that colloidal silver may be harmless. Just to prove the point make a sixteen-ounce solution of well over 250 ppm and drink it. It's plenty safe. This makes sense according to Capitol Drugs pharmacist Ron Barnes, PhD. Many strains of pathogenic microbes, viruses, fungi, bacteria or any other single celled pathogen resistant to other antibiotics are killed on contact by colloidal silver, and are unable to mutate. However, it does not harm tissue-cell enzymes and friendly bacteria. Email:livinghea...@involved.com mailto:livinghea...@involved.com Website:http://www.involved.com/livinghealth New Website:http://www.rawhealth.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments
Do I understand you correctly? You run your system with cones? I have a HVAC system. I do not allow it to cone. I add 2 ounces of 10ppm starter per gallon and do not let it get close enough to cone... rather i keep the electrode about 1/8 to 1/4 inch above the water. this keeps a small arc present. a cone reaches above the water surface and prevents the arc. am i misunderstanding what you are speaking of? or are you referring only to starting the process in regards to the various heights of your electrode placement depending upon the water used? j...@writeme.com -Original Message- From: Charles King ck...@global2000.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 8:59 PM Subject: Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:08:01 EDT, roesil...@aol.com wrote: There is only one brand that consistently allows me to pull cones about 3/8 to 1/2 from the surface. (Crystal Springs) The closer I get the electrode to the water surface, the higher the cone. Typically 1/16 to 1/8 Chuck -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:19:13 -0500, Klein specificnutrit...@email.msn.com wrote: Do I understand you correctly? You run your system with cones? I have a HVAC system. I do not allow it to cone. I add 2 ounces of 10ppm starter per gallon and do not let it get close enough to cone... rather i keep the electrode about 1/8 to 1/4 inch above the water. You are correct. The group has figured out in previous posts that the commercial units are designed to run this way. (with cone). I've tried it both ways and found the results to be more easily consistent with the cone than not. It seems to be auto limiting in that at the end of the run, the cone drops out and arcing commences. This happens at approximately 2 hours. Chuck Just think--how would Bugs Bunny have handled this? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS measurements ?!
Hi James, Thanks very much for your responses! [ ... ] You are hooked. And more confused than ever :-). I *think* I have the LVDC/LVAC process down at this point and not a clue as to what goes on :(. With my generator as it is now I can pretty much duplicate the operation of any generator in the above class with a few cranks on a few pots. Until I can get some useful test data methinketh it ends here. I take solice in that I am, at least, producing something usable even if I have not a clue what it is. Santa Fe has great weather and sky. Bummer, though, if Los Alamos blows, we are right downwind. And there is lots of black ops in the hills...transdimensional hyper-intelligent soulless lizzard overlords hiss and slither at the edge of your cactus-fractured mind- shadow Man! it is late. :) it is that 7000' altitude :-). I also got to visit Los Alamos with someone who had been there in the early days, even got to see the first breeder reactor site (unmarked now) down in the ravine. Took lots of pictures (and am sure the NSA knows who I am now :) of the worlds largest store of fisionable materials (or at least in the USA). All very interesting and all very scary. Outside of the ancient indian sites I didn't see anything else interesting. Of course I wasn't out in those hills in the wee hours either. Would have liked to have had the opportunity to talk with a few of those lizards :-). Hummm, may be too early here :). Did love it there, but was not willing to work for $5.50/hr. I was really rather surprised at it all for a state capitol, but I suppose that it good and bad in the long run :-( :-). Thanks take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSFW: Osteoporosis
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:29:35 +0200, O2 Communication o2c...@global.co.za wrote: Please note that with the arrival of the new Drive-thru cash point machines customers will be able to withdraw cash without leaving their vehicles. OOOhh, are you gonna get it Chuck Yesterday, scientists revealed that beer contains small traces of female hormones. To prove their theory, the scientists fed 100 men 12 pints of beer each. They observed that 100% of them gained weight, talked excessively without making sense, became emotional, and couldn't drive. No further testing is planned. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSALERT
Just tried to order CS from the vitamin shoppe catalog and they told me that the FDA had pulled all the CS from the shelves and they had no explanation for the action. Anyone know anything about this? I am s mad right now.. Jo -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Mercer wrote: Just tried to order CS from the vitamin shoppe catalog and they told me that the FDA had pulled all the CS from the shelves and they had no explanation for the action. Anyone know anything about this? I am s mad right now.. Yup understand, our tax dollars at work... Some problem here in the land of the free... Free to comply with the government I think that means. Yes, it is upsetting and more scary on a rather continual basis. Sigh... -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net The people came to realize that wealth is not the fruit of labor but the result of organized protected robbery. Franz Fanon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
so it's TRUE??? Jo -Original Message- From: Victoria Welch vi...@oz.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:24 AM Subject: Re: CSALERT Mercer wrote: Just tried to order CS from the vitamin shoppe catalog and they told me that the FDA had pulled all the CS from the shelves and they had no explanation for the action. Anyone know anything about this? I am s mad right now.. Yup understand, our tax dollars at work... Some problem here in the land of the free... Free to comply with the government I think that means. Yes, it is upsetting and more scary on a rather continual basis. Sigh... -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net The people came to realize that wealth is not the fruit of labor but the result of organized protected robbery. Franz Fanon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Mercer wrote: so it's TRUE??? I don't know for sure if it is true, but with the way our government works, it would come as absolutely no surprise at all. We're too stupid to do anything ourselves, we need some politician / bureaucrat and an agency with a SWAT team (any of them anymore I think) to be sure we do what is best for the whole and most especially what is good for the children. Just give up a little more freedom and all will be well. Don't worry, be happy, your government will take care of you. Yes, I am disgusted with it all. There was some TV program on a while back relating to problems with airbags in cars and the nightmare that people (esssentially very short and were more likely to be injured by the airbags than saved by them) had to go through to have them either disconnected or a switch installed to disable them. A politician / bureaucrat they were interviewing seemed shocked that people were not willing to go along with the greater good and continually emphasized that individual freedoms *must* be given up for the greater good of the whole. I personally found it rather chilling. I'm going to take my morning stroll and will stop by the local suplements store an ask about the CS thing. Will post results when I get back. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSALERT
Forwarding this for Jan.. This is what I received on this. I do not know how to post to the CS list though so perhaps you could. Thanks, Jan from Herbal Healer Academy: === EMERGENCY BULLETIN FDA going after Colloidal Silver - Nation Wide The FDA is going to try and stop the sale of Colloidal Silver Read the news brief at http://www.herbalhealer.com/silver.html The FDA is claiming that it is not safe as a nutritional supplement and must be placed under the category of a drug. There is a 30 day period in which the lawyers that represent the Colloidal Silver Industry in this country have a chance to file an injunction against the FDA. Under the current ruling, I was told by the manufacturer that the FDA plans to stop the distribution of Colloidal Silver at the manufacturing level. The deadline for cease and desist is Sept. 16th. The FDA has been very sneaky about this ruling and the natural medicine industry is just finding out about it now, as the clock is ticking! (snip) -Original Message- From: Mercer birds...@bendcable.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:28 AM Subject: CSALERT Just tried to order CS from the vitamin shoppe catalog and they told me that the FDA had pulled all the CS from the shelves and they had no explanation for the action. Anyone know anything about this? I am s mad right now.. Jo -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
to all, Will this effect Bruce from CsPro? How about wateroz? I can't believe they can do this. Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Thanks Victoria. I appreciate your concern and am anxious to hear what you find at your store. I called mine and they know nothing about it. Jo -Original Message- From: Victoria Welch vi...@oz.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:52 AM Subject: Re: CSALERT Mercer wrote: so it's TRUE??? I don't know for sure if it is true, but with the way our government works, it would come as absolutely no surprise at all. We're too stupid to do anything ourselves, we need some politician / bureaucrat and an agency with a SWAT team (any of them anymore I think) to be sure we do what is best for the whole and most especially what is good for the children. Just give up a little more freedom and all will be well. Don't worry, be happy, your government will take care of you. Yes, I am disgusted with it all. There was some TV program on a while back relating to problems with airbags in cars and the nightmare that people (esssentially very short and were more likely to be injured by the airbags than saved by them) had to go through to have them either disconnected or a switch installed to disable them. A politician / bureaucrat they were interviewing seemed shocked that people were not willing to go along with the greater good and continually emphasized that individual freedoms *must* be given up for the greater good of the whole. I personally found it rather chilling. I'm going to take my morning stroll and will stop by the local suplements store an ask about the CS thing. Will post results when I get back. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Mercer wrote: so it's TRUE??? Hasn't happened at the local supplements store, just got back and they still have it on the shelf, the (rather clueless) clerk didn't know anything. I mantioned it to someone here and they said it might just be the stuff that was being advertised as a drug rather than a supplement. Dunno. Take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org, vikki.oz.net #include coffee.h Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments
BP = British Pharmaceutical. Probably injectable grade. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Steve King [SMTP:ssk...@nildram.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:RE: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments Microsiemens are a measure of conductance; it is the Ohm---unit of resistance, upside down; the reciprocal or 1/Ohms. It is used to describe the purity of water: the lower the mS reading, the less other things it has in it, and the less conductive it is. Very helpful! I have in the past bought purified water here in the UK that said: less than 30 microS on the container. - not very pure after all, I see now. I have also bought water that simply says BP, a British standard I think for water purity but I don't know the conductivity limits. cheers -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSHow to heat solution?
RightO bloke... James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Steve King [SMTP:ssk...@nildram.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:RE: CSHow to heat solution? Boiling water warps CDsbut you must have meant DC. I just reread that bit. .. . no IDEA what I meant ! All I know about the subject is that the fellow who built the machine recommends about 75-80 for optimal production of particles. Generally, reactions of any type occur faster at higher temperatures. Great. that's what I needed. Makes perfect sense. I think I will just keep the room warmer than I have been. we don't believe much in warm rooms, here in the UK for some reason. central heating and indoor privies are still just catching on ; ) cheers and thanx. Steve King -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Leads one to think that the big drug companies are behind this, since CS works and their wonder drugs are marginal at best. This is nothing new, same thing has happened many times in the past when big money is involved. Medicine is very big business in this country and there is turf to be protected, you know? Best if we maintain a low profile, let us not forget what happened to Wilhelm Reich. Who is he, and what happened?? Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Mike M, Thanks, I was starting to panic there for a minute. I would hate to have to go back to using abx again. Thanks, Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Just called The Vitamin Shoppe, which is a HUGE catalog. I talked to the department that gives the word to take it out of the catalog and they said that a notice went out about three weeks ago across the country from the FDA to remove all colloidal silver from the market. They have removed all brands including their own. Anyone know what went out three weeks ago and are they just misinterpreting it? Jo -Original Message- From: donna2...@aol.com donna2...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 12:40 PM Subject: Re: CSALERT Mike M, Thanks, I was starting to panic there for a minute. I would hate to have to go back to using abx again. Thanks, Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments
Ok - so this gives a resistance of 33.3Kohms. Now I use UK BP purified water as well and have been very satisfied with it although mine doesn't state the conductance. And I use 27V. In any case the given figure is pretty useless unless the measuring conditions are specified - size of electrode, distance apart, etc. Terry Steve King wrote: Microsiemens are a measure of conductance; it is the Ohm---unit of resistance, upside down; the reciprocal or 1/Ohms. It is used to describe the purity of water: the lower the mS reading, the less other things it has in it, and the less conductive it is. Very helpful! I have in the past bought purified water here in the UK that said: less than 30 microS on the container. - not very pure after all, I see now. I have also bought water that simply says BP, a British standard I think for water purity but I don't know the conductivity limits. cheers -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS performance
Speaking of the nebulizer, could someone give me a quick rundown of the materials used to make that nebulizer? brand names if necessary. Gary -Original Message- From: Charles King ck...@global2000.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 11:31 AM Subject: Re: CS performance On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:00:45 -0700, Mary Gary Christensen christens...@earthlink.net wrote: Can anyone tell me why the CS did not work? (Or did not work good enough) I would appreciate any suggestions or comments Tanks,trying to have faith, Gary Wouldn't Brook's nebulizer protocol be appropriate here? I would think it would get the CS into the sinus area and saturate it. Chuck A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. Robert Heinlein -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLew/MSM
Hi Diane,
You wrote:
How does one find pure water?
At the present rate of global pollution, there is really no source of pure
water.
It unsafe to drink from streams, rivers and more so from rain water when acid
rain is very common. The human system is at the centre of an electro-magnetic
or etheric web which is generated by the bioradiation of tissue
salts and their fellow colloidal mineral concomitants. Every body cell is
potentially a small magnet. . This etheric shealth covering the body has been
proven scientifically and clairvoyantly,pulsates in rhythm with the different
phases of respiration .It is fed by the Vital Force or Prana generated in the
body The etheric spectrum of colours as demonstrated by Kirlian photography ,
is a reflection of the quality of our Vital Force which is the manifestation of
life energy. Hence,
We are what we eat
.We are what we drink
We are what we breathe
We are what we think
We are what we practise
The body system has the property to pick up and
to
store extraneous electro-
magnetic oscillations which may be pathological. These are seen in the etheric
web
as cracks [mild] and holes [severe] and serve to unbalance the individual
mentally,
emotionally or physically . These become thought forms and behave like etheric
cockroaches or etheric parasites. Therefore, by pure water, I mean that the
water
is not contaiminated by pathological oscillations from whatever source. As a
rule, anything
that has been touched , handled or exposed to a morbid environment, should be
magnetised using powerful magnets exceeding 3000 to 5000 gauss to destroy the
stored up extraneous electro-magnetic oscillations.
If possible,try to be selective in your choice of
mineral
water for drinking to feed the brain Qi . If doubtful, magnetise the mineral
water for a few hours before drinking.
With regards
Lew
d.linen wrote:
Lew,
I'm almost speechless here. I can NOT tell you how much I appreciate
your recent posts about this subject. This one is as valuable as the
others. You've explained this in a very helpful, useful way.
I'd like to ask one thing though. How does one find pure water? What
will do or be acceptable?
Your very grateful fan
Diane
Lew Fong How wrote:
it seems you're talking about Yogic pranayama,right ?
. To breathe is to live and to be alive ,one has to
breathe. In
esoteric breathing, life is not measured in terms of years but in the number
of breaths.
Breathing is a mechanical act of inhalation and exhalation of atmospheric
air, in and out of the body. Respiration is an on-going process from womb to
the tomb, a life and energy generating process.
The sanskrit word Prana meaning
Life is the equivalent of
Qi or Vital Force. Ayama means control. Pranayama means control
of Prana
or The Yoga Science of Breath Control. The prana in the atmospheric air
performs a
number of functions in the human body. Each has a specific name:
1. Prana: It circulates around the heart and controls breathing
2. Apna: It circulates in the lower region of the abdomen and controls
excretory
functions [ Urine and faeces]
3. Samana : It stimulates the gastric juices and aids digestion.
4. Udana : It remains in the thoracic cage and controls the absorption of
air and food.
5. Vyana: It spreads throughout the body and distributes the energy from
food and
breath.
6. Naga: It relieves abdominal pressure by provoking excretion.
7. Kurma: It controls the eyelids to prevent foreign bodies from entering
and dazzling
light from harming the eyes.
8. Krkara: It prevents certain substances from rising into the nasal
cavities or
descending into the throat causing sneezing and coughing.
9. Devadutta: It ensures the absorption of extra oxygen into a tired body
and causes
yawning.
10. Dhananjaya: It remains in the body even after death and sometimes
causes the
corpse to swell.
I practise Pranayama by closing my nostrile with index finger and thumb
alternately
first my right ,breathing out slowly through the left and then the left and
breathing slowly through the right nostrile, 10 times daily. One
physio-biochemical rationale of this
practice is to acclimatise the brain to an optimum level of Carbon dioxide
saturation
to maintain patency of the respiratoy tract. The principle of making
patients with
wheezing cough
RE: CSIons or not ions, that is the question
Please bear in mind that little of what I shall say can be readily proven. Much is generally agreed upon by traditional professional chemists and shade-tree CS makers. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Spiroflex [SMTP:spiro...@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSIons or not ions, that is the question File: ATT2.html Yesterday someone said to me, If the CS that you are taking is working for you, it is the silver in the CS that you are taking that is being absorbed by your body, and giving you the benefit you say you perceive, not the ions. The body cannot absorb ions. The body can absorb silver. It is silver, not ions that is being absorbed into your blood stream. Either the CS you are drinking contains silver as well as ions or reacts with acids or whatever in your mouth or wherever in your body and forms silver. It is silver, not ions, that is absorbed by your body and goes into your blood stream and provides the benefit that you say you are experiencing. Any comments? PLEASE comment. JOH: Silver, like most, if not all metals, can be in a variety of states. A colloid is by definition a particle dispersed in another substance. The two substances can be in any phase except a gas in a gas. When a particle is not electrically negative, it is called an ion. The nature of and cause of the charge can be different. My working definition of a charged silver colloid is a clump of atoms, not a single atom, which has an electrical charge which is positive. I do not know how that charge is created. Single atoms of silver is what I call ionic silver. I think this is much more reactive to the substances found in the body, particularly when it is part of a silver salt, such as silver nitrate. I believe that much CS contains some colloid and some ions. I think the better stuff is very small---0.5 to 10 nm (billionth of a meter, 10 to the ninth negative power.) Single atoms of silver are more likely to react with other elements and/or compounds that a small positivly charged clump of metallic silver. 1. Are silver compounds apt or not apt to be formed as the CS comes in contact with whatever in the mouth or stomach? If yes, is this more apt to happen with freshly made CS than CS that is a month old? JOH: All that I know about this is that when you drink silver, some of it reacts with the hydrogen chloride normally produced in the stomach to produce silver chloride; harmless in small quantities, but removing some silver from bioavailability. 2. If yes, is this why a manufacturer would prefer to stabilize the CS with a protein first? JOH I am unsure here. Higher concentrations push the particles closer together. There are multiple forces acting on the particles, some repulsive and some attractive. The balance depends on a bunch of factors, but if they get close enough together the stick, forming a larger particle. When the weight of the particle is too great for the molecular movement of the water, gravity pulls the particle to to bottom of the vessle; the silver has fallen out of suspension Larger particles can not get through cell walls or small capillaries, and do not have the same electrical and anti-microbal properties. Various protiens are used to bind to the silver and keep it floating. Some people---especially those who sell such products---say the additives improve the effectiveness. Others say that is a factor in argyria. I prefer no additive. 3. Why do I read recommendations like, Take CS in the morning before brushing the teeth with toothpaste. Take CS on an empty stomach. Valid or not valid? JOH: Valid, not a big deal. When you eat, more HCL is secreted and more reacts with the silver. Rinsing your mouth with CS virtually eliminates gum disease. 4. Would it be advisable to rinse one's mouth out before taking CS or brush one's teeth without toothpaste, just DW say, before sipping CS? JOH Sure. Probably tastes better. 5. If silver compounds are formed as one sips CS, would there be certain kinds of food, toothpaste, etc that would be more contraindicated than others when you are close to CS sipping time? JOH: I take it once a day if I am not sick. A couple to 4 oz in the am, with a bit of MSM, before breakfast. If I feel something bad may be happening, I take more. I don't often feel bad. 6. Does diluting the CS in 8 oz of water play a role in this regard? If so, does it make a significant difference if you dilute the CS with distilled water vs using a water with more dissolved solids in it? JOH: I don't think so. I don't dilute it except to take a little DW and heat it to help the MSM dissolve. I drink only DW, unless it it not available, so that is not special for the silver. Comments or opinions, please. -- Carlos LeClair -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for
RE: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments
Bruce says the cones are normal, and indicate adequately pure water. You will get small cones at the start if the water is more conductive. I set my arc-bars very close to the water to prevent long arcs which may fry the transformer. I have been thinking lately that I may be setting too small a gap; the sputtering may contribute to production increase. The cones diminish as conductivity increases with more silver in the water. Check the manual. Big caution about arcs over about 1/8 inch, or something like that. My standard placement of arc bars above water is about 1/16 or less. Cones run about 1/2 to 3/8 to start. Bruce says arcing near the end of a run is normal, but since I do not monitor my batches, I just want to make sure I don't fry the tran. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Klein [SMTP:specificnutrit...@email.msn.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:19 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments Do I understand you correctly? You run your system with cones? I have a HVAC system. I do not allow it to cone. I add 2 ounces of 10ppm starter per gallon and do not let it get close enough to cone... rather i keep the electrode about 1/8 to 1/4 inch above the water. this keeps a small arc present. a cone reaches above the water surface and prevents the arc. am i misunderstanding what you are speaking of? or are you referring only to starting the process in regards to the various heights of your electrode placement depending upon the water used? j...@writeme.com -Original Message- From: Charles King ck...@global2000.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 8:59 PM Subject: Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:08:01 EDT, roesil...@aol.com wrote: There is only one brand that consistently allows me to pull cones about 3/8 to 1/2 from the surface. (Crystal Springs) The closer I get the electrode to the water surface, the higher the cone. Typically 1/16 to 1/8 Chuck -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
Do a search for info about Wilhelm Reich, there is lots of info on the web about him and his discoveries, as for his involvement with the government and the FDA in particular, start here: http://www.orgone.org/wr-vs-usa/wr0.htm http://www.orgone.org/wr-vs-usa/wr0pph55.htm http://www.orgone.org/wr-vs-usa/wr0pph56.htm Marsha Hallett wrote: Who is he, and what happened?? Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSALERT
Is that a physical location or a web store? Contact the manager, see if he/she will talk. What city is this? Where is the nearest FDA office? Contact them and ask if they know anything. Use a pay phone. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Mercer [SMTP:birds...@bendcable.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSALERT Just tried to order CS from the vitamin shoppe catalog and they told me that the FDA had pulled all the CS from the shelves and they had no explanation for the action. Anyone know anything about this? I am s mad right now.. Jo -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments
In a message dated 9/17/1999 12:18:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, specificnutrit...@email.msn.com writes: Do I understand you correctly? You run your system with cones? I have a HVAC system. I do not allow it to cone. I add 2 ounces of 10ppm starter per gallon and do not let it get close enough to cone... rather i keep the electrode about 1/8 to 1/4 inch above the water. this keeps a small arc present. a cone reaches above the water surface and prevents the arc. The two arc bars are placed as close to the surface of the water as possible without touching. The electrode is completely submerged except for the hooks. I start with room temperature distilled water. I do not 'seed it'. The water increases in temperature and conductivity as the batch 'grows'. The cones get smaller and smaller and sometimes arc close to the end of the batch - doesn't effect ppm - but sometimes do get a better tyndal when arcing has occurred. Better tyndal doesn't necessarily mean higher ppm. Can't tell you how my systems is made,- didn't make it - only can tell you what it looks like. There are pictures at www.csprosystems.com . After I flip the switch, I don't touch anything until the unit is turned off. Sometimes I stop the batch and add a little water to make up for what has condensed on the side of the container and decrease the arcing in the process. Ian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSALERT
Ask them for a copy of the order. The FDA statement referred to labeling and claims. Any product which makes no claims should be exempt. They do not have our well being in mind. Just the opposite. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Mercer [SMTP:birds...@bendcable.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSALERT Just called The Vitamin Shoppe, which is a HUGE catalog. I talked to the department that gives the word to take it out of the catalog and they said that a notice went out about three weeks ago across the country from the FDA to remove all colloidal silver from the market. They have removed all brands including their own. Anyone know what went out three weeks ago and are they just misinterpreting it? Jo -Original Message- From: donna2...@aol.com donna2...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 12:40 PM Subject: Re: CSALERT Mike M, Thanks, I was starting to panic there for a minute. I would hate to have to go back to using abx again. Thanks, Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLew/MSM
On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 03:06:37 +0700, Lew Fong How fh...@tm.net.my wrote: As a rule, anything that has been touched , handled or exposed to a morbid environment, should be magnetised using powerful magnets exceeding 3000 to 5000 gauss to destroy the stored up extraneous electro-magnetic oscillations. If possible,try to be selective in your choice of mineral water for drinking to feed the brain Qi . If doubtful, magnetise the mineral water for a few hours before drinking. With regards Lew Interesting! Synergistically, I just bought a juicer for myself and my wife. I wanted top-of-the-line or nearly so. I settled on the Green Power at $400. One of its features is the use of magnets in the juicing path to affect the product. This esoteric stuff is becoming main stream! Chuck I want to die quietly in my sleep, like my grandfather, not screaming in terror, like his passengers. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS performance nebulizer
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:54:46 -0700, Mary Gary Christensen christens...@earthlink.net wrote: Speaking of the nebulizer, could someone give me a quick rundown of the materials used to make that nebulizer? brand names if necessary. Gary Following is a repost of Brook's excellent advice: Subject: CSParts List and Comments on CSXO2 Nebulizing System From: Brooks Bradley liat...@flash.net Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:12:33 -0500 Good Afternoon List Members. Following is a list of the components required for enabling the protocol we used in the experimental researches I outlined last evening. The air-brush kit we used, was obtained from a mail-order concern specializing in myriad hardware/electrical/hand-tool items. Their quality is toward the low-end industrial, but quite adequate for the home/hobby user. Our machine shop/proto-type builders have used them for years. The company is Harbor Freight, located in Camarillo, California. They now have outlets in one or two other cities. We obtained our air-brush kits from the Fort Worth, Texas store (we are located in Fort Worth). The stock number is #6131. Our purchasing person informed me this item cost us less than $10.00 each, and the last 20 purchased cost less than $8.00. As of last Wednesday, this store still had some of these units. Included in the kit are two liquid -supply bottles (one 1/2 and one 1 oz), one air hose which couples between the pressure regulator and the air-brush assembly; one air pressure regulator; and the air-brush assembly itself. The additional parts required are for a hose assembly which facilitates coupling the input side of the air pressure regulator with the external oxygen supply used to power the nebulizer. Note: PURCHASE BRASS FITTINGS ONLY, oxygen is the pre-eminent combustion supporter. All of these components can be obtained from any commercial outlet stocking pneumatic system parts. This hose assembly includes: One 1/4 Compression X 1/8 Male NPT fitting (this is very important, for without it you cannot connect the O2 hose to the air-brush pressure regulator) One 1/4 Barb X 1/8 NPTF Fitting One 1/4 X 9/16 RH Oxygen Fitting (will have a barb fitting on one end and the female coupling on the other) Approximately 4 feet of any good !/4 I.D. 200+ PSI air hose. Tell the clerk you are going to use oxygen in the hose. Assemble the parts by screwing the Compression fitting into the 1/4 Barb X 1/8 Male NPT fitting. Do not worry, only one end of the Compression fitting is compatible with the Barb fitting. Next, insert the barb end of this fitting assemby into the air hose. Push the hose on until it is jam against the shoulder of the fitting. Any small, screw or compression-type clamp may be used to add security to the hose/fitting end. Next, insert the barb end of the Oxygen fitting into the remaining hose end and secure with any satisfactory clamp. Your assembly is now complete. Next, carefully screw the exposed male end of the Compression fitting into the bottom of the air-brush pressure regulator. Now connect the small-diameter air-line between the air-brush assembly and the pressure regulator (it is fool-proof, as there is nowhere else this tiny hose can connect). Select the small fluid-supply bottle and fill approximately 75-80% of capacity with 5-10 ppm Colloidal Silver and insert the angled tip assembly into the bottom of the air-brush assembly. You are now ready to connect to your O2 supply and operate. Obtain a small medical O2 bottle (anywhere around 1/2 to 1 cubic feet capacity) or any size O2 Arc welding system bottle. Be sure to have a Two-stage regulator attached to the O2 bottle. Now, connect the 9/16 Oxygen-fitting to the O2 outlet from the Two-stage regulator (also foo-proof, as there is nowhere else to connect). Now SLOWLY open the O2 control knob on the O2 regulator and set the inlet prssure to your nebulizer assembly to a Maximum of 35 Pounds Per Square Inch (PSI).Next, screw the AIR-BRUSH air pressure regulator control knob (the tiny knob on top of the air pressure regulator) all the way closed.. Now, open the control knob about 2 and one-half turns. Next, trigger the control botton on the Air-brush head until you see a fine fog each time you press down on the button. The mist is so fine, you may have to hold it against a dark back ground to see it. You are now ready to go. Our best results were obtained by the volunteer inserting the discharge nozzle about 1 inch inside their OPEN mouth and breathing deep---an long---on each inhalation; holding the breath for a count of 3 or 4 and then executing a complete exhalation. Ideally, there should be about 1/4 circular clearance around the air-brush head (while inside the mouth), as this provides the optimum
CSalert
Here's the most official document I have so far by the FDA on this subject. (I'm still trying to get a copy of the actual ruling) www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00971.html This is a press release by FDA personnel in responding with consistency and accuracy to questions from the public on subjects of current interest. It doesn't say much, but the paragraph of most interest to us (and who knows how it will be interpreted) is-- According to the Final Rule, a colloidal silver product for any drug use will first have to be approved by FDA under the new drug application procedures. The Final Rule classifies colloidal silver products as misbranded.their labeling falsely suggests that there is substantial scientific evidence to establish that the drugs are safe and effective for their intended uses. Karen
RE: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments
It is a 10KV center tapped transformer with switches and timer. I do not know the power rating. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: roesil...@aol.com [SMTP:roesil...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS--additional comments In a message dated 9/17/1999 12:18:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, specificnutrit...@email.msn.com writes: Do I understand you correctly? You run your system with cones? I have a HVAC system. I do not allow it to cone. I add 2 ounces of 10ppm starter per gallon and do not let it get close enough to cone... rather i keep the electrode about 1/8 to 1/4 inch above the water. this keeps a small arc present. a cone reaches above the water surface and prevents the arc. The two arc bars are placed as close to the surface of the water as possible without touching. The electrode is completely submerged except for the hooks. I start with room temperature distilled water. I do not 'seed it'. The water increases in temperature and conductivity as the batch 'grows'. The cones get smaller and smaller and sometimes arc close to the end of the batch - doesn't effect ppm - but sometimes do get a better tyndal when arcing has occurred. Better tyndal doesn't necessarily mean higher ppm. Can't tell you how my systems is made,- didn't make it - only can tell you what it looks like. There are pictures at www.csprosystems.com . After I flip the switch, I don't touch anything until the unit is turned off. Sometimes I stop the batch and add a little water to make up for what has condensed on the side of the container and decrease the arcing in the process. Ian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSosteoporosis
Add strength or weight training to that list. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
In a message dated 09/17/1999 11:02:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, donna2...@aol.com writes: to all, Will this effect Bruce from CsPro? How about wateroz? I can't believe they can do this. Donna DONNA, It will effect CsPRO and WATEROZ. I talked with Lilly from WaterOZ and made a Purchase as did my son in Germany. They were told to have it off their shelfs by Sept. 15, Carol -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
In the auction section of Amazon.com, I found a CS manufacturer in Arizona that was trying to auction off their stock and I believe they had 9-15 as the auction date -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 4:19 PM Subject: RE: CSALERT Is that a physical location or a web store? Contact the manager, see if he/she will talk. What city is this? Where is the nearest FDA office? Contact them and ask if they know anything. Use a pay phone. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Mercer [SMTP:birds...@bendcable.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSALERT Just tried to order CS from the vitamin shoppe catalog and they told me that the FDA had pulled all the CS from the shelves and they had no explanation for the action. Anyone know anything about this? I am s mad right now.. Jo -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSALERT
http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/auction-glance/Y03X3929386X6981102 /qid%3D937614698/002-2556018-0755453 Here is the site and the bids are being taken until tomorrow it looks like.. -Original Message- From: Gina g...@cyberstation.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 7:27 PM Subject: Re: CSALERT In the auction section of Amazon.com, I found a CS manufacturer in Arizona that was trying to auction off their stock and I believe they had 9-15 as the auction date -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 4:19 PM Subject: RE: CSALERT Is that a physical location or a web store? Contact the manager, see if he/she will talk. What city is this? Where is the nearest FDA office? Contact them and ask if they know anything. Use a pay phone. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Mercer [SMTP:birds...@bendcable.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSALERT Just tried to order CS from the vitamin shoppe catalog and they told me that the FDA had pulled all the CS from the shelves and they had no explanation for the action. Anyone know anything about this? I am s mad right now.. Jo -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
