date:20081005

In answer to your questions regarding my iron and other levels or tests.  As a 
retired Vet I receive my medical through the Air Force Academy and have had 
blood work done that has returned only one problem and that was not really a 
problem, just an awareness check.  I see my doctor rarely and usually just to 
get a referral to someone; i.e. Physical Therapy, Bio-feedback.  Since having 
Cancer in 1994 I pay attention to my body and lifestyle.  I spent more time and 
energy on detoxifying my body... I believe that is the cause of most, if not 
all our problems.  Even when I had the cancer I did not let the doctors dictate 
my treatment.. and only did the minimum that the Air Force required to allow me 
to return to duty.   
connie

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Re: CS>blue moons revisited

- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: CS>blue moons revisited

Quote:
[Neville wrote:  If I thought for one second that CS was the cause of sol's 
moons there would be no further point in my continuation of ingestion of CS.
Why do you say that? Silver accumulation in the skin, nail beds, or wherever 
has NOTHING to do with its effectiveness in killing pathogens so far as I 
know.  sol]

Don't misunderstand sol, I'm not talking about the pathogen aspect of CS, 
I'm aware of that, I'm referring to the fact that the ingestion of CS, using 
the appropriate protocols as we know are required for the production 
thereof, there should be NO issues if all we have researched, based on 
repeated experimental and scientific evidence, is to remain credible.  Do 
you see what I mean?  All research I have accessed states that with the 
ingestion of CS,when  produced in the correct manner, there is NO issue with 
build up of silver anywhere in the body as silver, in the form we take it, 
coupled with the method we use to produce it simply cannot build up in the 
body.  Our waist elimination processes pass it through in a relatively quick 
time frame.  However, if CS is not produced in the appropriate manner, as we 
know it, then the possibility of build up is conceivable.  Do you follow 
what I am trying to say?  It's simply a matter of whether all the research 
is believableor not.  Personally, from all the research I have done, I 
believe silver will not accumulate anywhere in the body if produced in the 
way we produce it today.  My conviction is based on all the documented 
information I have found, but as I said, if evidence is out there stating 
that this is NOT the case then I want to have that varified as it makes all 
my researched material null and void.  See where I am coming from?  If the 
silver in the form we produce it has the capacity to build up in the body, 
then that pretty much negates all information I have researched.  No room 
for doubts with me, I'm tired of anecdotal hearsay which is why I made that 
statement regarding my discontinueing with it so I am sticking with my 
researched material, will continue to take my daily 'dose', until proven 
otherwise, (of course if I get crook at any time then I will just up the 
dose).  I am motivated by concensus of opinion, and in this case that 
'opinion' is based on researched material, and what others choose to divulge 
here.  I welcome the opportunity to be corrected though.

N. 

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CS>Who is the Scientist

2008-10-05 Thread Wayne Fugitt


Morning Neville,

I know you thought I had died, but not yet.  

>>  Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:47 PM

You are beginning to sound like a scientist.


I'm tired of anecdotal hearsay which is why I made that
statement regarding my discontinueing with it so I am sticking with 
my researched material, will continue to take my daily 'dose', until 
proven otherwise,


  First,   Human nutrition is a relative new science.
Plant Scientists have been ahead for years, many years.

And of course the human body is far from being understood.

Many Scientists that have studied if for their whole life, say they 
still do not understand many things.


A large percent of the information you read relates to a body that is 
functioning correct,  100 % correct.


Anyone that fits this category, .

 Stand up and Be counted !

No one will bother answering my question, ..

"Are you talking about Sick People or Healthy People".

Ten thousand articles exist on many things, CS Included.

Can you find even TWO that agree ?

Many old ideas that 99.99 per cent of the people belive are not true.

For Example,

Vitamin C ( ascorbic acid ) alone does not cure scurvy.

Another example,

  Many people have talked about Vitamin D and proper calcium metabolisms.

Of course it will not produce proper calcium metabolism.

I have stated, "Many people will never have proper calcium 
metabolism, no matter what they do".


If one thing is compromised, ( does not work right )
just how many other things suffer, 100, 1000, or 10,000 ?

Consider the parathyroid gland !

When body chemistry is impaired, intercellular communication is 
impaired,  Then count how many things do not work right.

( better go get a truckload of "Essential Sugars" today )
This theory dates back to 1968

I am not saying everything you said is wrong, of course not.

Some of it appears a bit marginal, and does not apply to everyone, 
because their body chemistry is impaired.


What is the solution?   I think there is no solution.

Everyone tries.

The best solution is a lifetime of good habits and few bad habits.
With the decaying condition of the world today, I doubt that even 
this will work.


Anytime we say, we have a solution to the problems of the world and 
the problems of the human body, ...


  "We are likely wrong"

Just the other side of the coin, ... that is all.

Wayne
Modern thinking Primitive logic

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Re: What went around, comes around wasCS>blue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread Dee

How amazing!  I had always thought these things were really bad for you, 
i.e. cancer causing!  I don't know, everything seems to be 'proven' one 
way, and then disproved afterwards.  Makes you think it isn't worth 
worrying about any of it, doesn't it?  dee PS still love the signatures 
Chuck, keep 'em coming!


cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

Imagine that...
You have a legitimate reason for bloodletting.
And this was laughed at as a naive procedure left over from early
medical treatments.
Now you need a Dr that will do bloodletting.


Everything old is new again, and Woody Allen was right in "Sleeper"

Found this:

"As it turns out, sodium nitrite, the chemical used to color and
preserve hot dogs and other meats, has remarkable effects on the
cardiovascular system. In fact, it appears that nitrite salts may have
a beneficial effect on all of the body's organs: heart, brain,
lungs-everywhere the blood flows. Dr. Mark Gladwin and an NIH
cardiologist, Dr. Richard Cannon III, discovered that even very small
doses of nitrate almost tripled blood flow. This translates to
prevention and/or cure of heart attacks, pulmonary hypertension,
sickle cell anemia, and strokes-and that's just the short list.

They also proved that when people exercised, nitrite levels dropped
dramatically in the muscles being exercised. This indicates that by
some mechanism, the body was using the nitrite in exercise. Oxygen
deprivation, for whatever reason, is what eventually does us in. If
this deprivation can be avoided, you will live longer and healthier.

Sodium nitrite seems to have the ability to guard your cells against
hypoxia (lack of oxygen). The researchers were amazed at the finding
because they had been taught that nitrites had little medical
relevance."

Chuck

  




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Re: CS>Who is the Scientist

2008-10-05 Thread Dee

makes sense Wayne, and I went down the 'truckload of essential sugars' 
route too!  dee


Wayne Fugitt wrote:

Morning Neville,

I know you thought I had died, but not yet.  

>>  Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:47 PM

You are beginning to sound like a scientist.


I'm tired of anecdotal hearsay which is why I made that
statement regarding my discontinueing with it so I am sticking with 
my researched material, will continue to take my daily 'dose', until 
proven otherwise,


  First,   Human nutrition is a relative new science.
Plant Scientists have been ahead for years, many years.

And of course the human body is far from being understood.

Many Scientists that have studied if for their whole life, say they 
still do not understand many things.


A large percent of the information you read relates to a body that is 
functioning correct,  100 % correct.


Anyone that fits this category, .

 Stand up and Be counted !

No one will bother answering my question, ..

"Are you talking about Sick People or Healthy People".

Ten thousand articles exist on many things, CS Included.

Can you find even TWO that agree ?

Many old ideas that 99.99 per cent of the people belive are not true.

For Example,

Vitamin C ( ascorbic acid ) alone does not cure scurvy.

Another example,

  Many people have talked about Vitamin D and proper calcium metabolisms.

Of course it will not produce proper calcium metabolism.

I have stated, "Many people will never have proper calcium metabolism, 
no matter what they do".


If one thing is compromised, ( does not work right )
just how many other things suffer, 100, 1000, or 10,000 ?

Consider the parathyroid gland !

When body chemistry is impaired, intercellular communication is 
impaired,  Then count how many things do not work right.

( better go get a truckload of "Essential Sugars" today )
This theory dates back to 1968





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Re: CS>Who is the Scientist

Hi there Wayne,  I like the heading, 'who is the scientist', sounds good 
doesn't it.  Nothing like a good cheer up is there.   Dragged you out of 
the woodwork have I ?


Yep, I understand where you are coming from Wayne, and I'm certainly in no 
position to debate the issue of any interaction between iron or whatever 
else in the blood in combination with EICS but the point I was trying to 
make was that I have never read anywhere that states silver will accumulate 
in the body, be it skin tissue or organs, well not the stuff we use today 
that is.  The product we ingest is expelled rapidly by our waist elimination 
systems, and yes I know, the skin also.  This is the conviction I have based 
on research I have done.  This is why I threw the invitaion out for anyone 
who may be in possession of alternative material to come forward with 
evidence to negate that statement.  My personal view is that our silver will 
not produce any issue at all due to the bodies rapid elimination rate of 
silver.  I must maintain the courage of my convictions despite any critisism 
which may be forthcoming, at least more facts will appear for others to 
peruse, and for me to learn from.


I stated to sol that my conviction is based on material I had researched but 
as you pointed out, and quite rightly so, I had not taken into consideration 
the health issues of any particular individual.  I probably take my health 
for granted perhaps and may hold a different view sometime in the future, 
but then again that may never happen as I take a maintenance 'dose' every 
day and may just fall into a neverending 'sleep' one day in my lounge chair. 
 Hmmm...nice thought though I must admit.


It seems to me that no matter how much one believes in CS there is always 
room for doubt to creep in, I won't work with doubts anymore, I only want to 
work with facts therefore I must stand up and be counted and state that I 
personally do not believe this to be the case, hence my invitation for 
additional information, I may learn something.


Your reply has made me aware that more research is called for on 
interactions with other substances in the blood, not medications, but 
other...??? which may have an affect when combined with silver.  I'll have 
to wait till the inclination strikes me there though as I am all researched 
out. 


Enjoy your day, or night?...I'll never get the hang of this damn 
communication medium.


N.

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Fugitt" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: CS>Who is the Scientist



Morning Neville,

I know you thought I had died, but not yet.  

>>  Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:47 PM

You are beginning to sound like a scientist.


I'm tired of anecdotal hearsay which is why I made that
statement regarding my discontinueing with it so I am sticking with my 
researched material, will continue to take my daily 'dose', until proven 
otherwise,


  First,   Human nutrition is a relative new science.
Plant Scientists have been ahead for years, many years.

And of course the human body is far from being understood.

Many Scientists that have studied if for their whole life, say they still 
do not understand many things.


A large percent of the information you read relates to a body that is 
functioning correct,  100 % correct.


Anyone that fits this category, .

 Stand up and Be counted !

No one will bother answering my question, ..

"Are you talking about Sick People or Healthy People".

Ten thousand articles exist on many things, CS Included.

Can you find even TWO that agree ?

Many old ideas that 99.99 per cent of the people belive are not true.

For Example,

Vitamin C ( ascorbic acid ) alone does not cure scurvy.

Another example,

  Many people have talked about Vitamin D and proper calcium metabolisms.

Of course it will not produce proper calcium metabolism.

I have stated, "Many people will never have proper calcium metabolism, no 
matter what they do".


If one thing is compromised, ( does not work right )
just how many other things suffer, 100, 1000, or 10,000 ?

Consider the parathyroid gland !

When body chemistry is impaired, intercellular communication is impaired, 
Then count how many things do not work right.

( better go get a truckload of "Essential Sugars" today )
This theory dates back to 1968

I am not saying everything you said is wrong, of course not.

Some of it appears a bit marginal, and does not apply to everyone, because 
their body chemistry is impaired.


What is the solution?   I think there is no solution.

Everyone tries.

The best solution is a lifetime of good habits and few bad habits.
With the decaying condition of the world today, I doubt that even this 
will work.


Anytime we say, we have a solution to the problems of the world and the 
problems of the human body, ...


  "We are likely wrong"

Just the other side of the coin, ... that is all.

Wayne
Modern thinking Primi

Fw: Re: CS>blue moons revisited

Question: If; in fact, Collodial Silver did accumulate (beyond turning blue)
what could we expect that to cause? I feel that a portion of the silver that
we are digesting is building up; mainly because our elimination systems are not
fuctioning well. I know that mine has been a problem for 20+ years and I am
now 61. I've never been a junk food addict or consumed what was considered the
tabo types of foods. I loved my vegetables and ate very little meat.
Has anyone seen any information on this?
connie

-- Forwarded Message --
[Neville wrote: If I thought for one second that CS was the cause of sol's
moons there would be no further point in my continuation of ingestion of CS.
Why do you say that? Silver accumulation in the skin, nail beds, or wherever
has NOTHING to do with its effectiveness in killing pathogens so far as I
know. sol]

Don't misunderstand sol, I'm not talking about the pathogen aspect of CS,
I'm aware of that, I'm referring to the fact that the ingestion of CS, using
the appropriate protocols as we know are required for the production
thereof, there should be NO issues if all we have researched, based on
repeated experimental and scientific evidence, is to remain credible. Do
you see what I mean? All research I have accessed states that with the
ingestion of CS,when produced in the correct manner, there is NO issue with
build up of silver anywhere in the body as silver, in the form we take it,
coupled with the method we use to produce it simply cannot build up in the
body. Our waist elimination processes pass it through in a relatively quick
time frame. However, if CS is not produced in the appropriate manner, as we
know it, then the possibility of build up is conceivable. Do you follow
what I am trying to say? It's simply a matter of whether all the research
is believableor not. Personally, from all the research I have done, I
believe silver will not accumulate anywhere in the body if produced in the
way we produce it today. My conviction is based on all the documented
information I have found, but as I said, if evidence is out there stating
that this is NOT the case then I want to have that varified as it makes all
my researched material null and void. See where I am coming from? If the
silver in the form we produce it has the capacity to build up in the body,
then that pretty much negates all information I have researched. No room
for doubts with me, I'm tired of anecdotal hearsay which is why I made that
statement regarding my discontinueing with it so I am sticking with my
researched material, will continue to take my daily 'dose', until proven
otherwise, (of course if I get crook at any time then I will just up the
dose). I am motivated by concensus of opinion, and in this case that
'opinion' is based on researched material, and what others choose to divulge
here. I welcome the opportunity to be corrected though.

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Re: CS>blue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-05 Thread Sandee George

Hi There Neville - I concur with what you said  -  I myself have had blue
moons on and off over my life
starting from childhood, all long before I started using EIS so both Sol
and I have some other factor
which is causing this and I do believe it is the retention of heavy
metals from some other aspect in our lives, I have had two series of IV
chelation over the past 12 years and every time I do this the blue moons
go for about a year and then slowly return, so it is something definitely
in my case to do with the way in which my body processes food etc., 
which is a contributory factor here - now what exactly that is I have 
yet to discover when I do I will let everyone know - however until then
blue moons are nothing more than additional attraction to my hands ! 
  What I usually tell those who ask why is that I have a very high
iron reading in my body  I do believe that this is the case,
however cannot prove it as yet I
am NOT about to use soy to find this answer 
Cheers to all
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CS>Willard Water

2008-10-05 Thread Rowena

Someone asked a while back what Willard water was.  I have just come across 
this link:
http://www.dr-willardswater.com/
R

Re: CS>blue moons revisited


I don't think it is likely that true CS can accumulate in your system,
or that if it did it would cause blue moons or argyria. As far as I
know, the bluish discoloration some people report is caused by silver
chloride, which can result when salt or baking soda is used as a
conductive starter to make CS, or when water other than distilled is
used to make it. Best to always use only distilled water, and to use a
small amount of a known pure CS for starter when making CS.
I have never seen any other symptom of argyria reported, only the
discoloration.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor, and only an amateur chemist.



On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:21:49 GMT
"craehow...@juno.com"  wrote:

> Question:   If; in fact, Collodial Silver did accumulate (beyond
> turning blue) what could we expect that to cause?   I feel that a
> portion of the silver that we are digesting is building up; mainly
> because our elimination systems are not fuctioning well.  I know that
> mine has been a problem for 20+ years and I am now 61.  I've never
> been a junk food addict or consumed what was considered the tabo
> types of foods.  I loved my vegetables and ate very little meat. Has
> anyone seen any information on this? connie 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> -- Forwarded Message --
> [Neville wrote:  If I thought for one second that CS was the cause of
> sol's moons there would be no further point in my continuation of
> ingestion of CS. Why do you say that? Silver accumulation in the
> skin, nail beds, or wherever has NOTHING to do with its effectiveness
> in killing pathogens so far as I know.  sol]
> 
> Don't misunderstand sol, I'm not talking about the pathogen aspect of
> CS, I'm aware of that, I'm referring to the fact that the ingestion
> of CS, using the appropriate protocols as we know are required for
> the production thereof, there should be NO issues if all we have
> researched, based on repeated experimental and scientific evidence,
> is to remain credible.  Do you see what I mean?  All research I have
> accessed states that with the ingestion of CS,when  produced in the
> correct manner, there is NO issue with build up of silver anywhere in
> the body as silver, in the form we take it, coupled with the method
> we use to produce it simply cannot build up in the body.  Our waist
> elimination processes pass it through in a relatively quick time
> frame.  However, if CS is not produced in the appropriate manner, as
> we know it, then the possibility of build up is conceivable.  Do you
> follow what I am trying to say?  It's simply a matter of whether all
> the research is believableor not.  Personally, from all the
> research I have done, I believe silver will not accumulate anywhere
> in the body if produced in the way we produce it today.  My
> conviction is based on all the documented information I have found,
> but as I said, if evidence is out there stating that this is NOT the
> case then I want to have that varified as it makes all my researched
> material null and void.  See where I am coming from?  If the silver
> in the form we produce it has the capacity to build up in the body,
> then that pretty much negates all information I have researched.  No
> room for doubts with me, I'm tired of anecdotal hearsay which is why
> I made that statement regarding my discontinueing with it so I am
> sticking with my researched material, will continue to take my daily
> 'dose', until proven otherwise, (of course if I get crook at any time
> then I will just up the dose).  I am motivated by concensus of
> opinion, and in this case that 'opinion' is based on researched
> material, and what others choose to divulge here.  I welcome the
> opportunity to be corrected though.
> 
> N. 
> 
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Re: CS> for Sinus; Xylitols' reason

2008-10-05 Thread Harold MacDonald

To all;
Xylitol has the ability to stop the pathogens from adhering to the walls of the 
sinus cavities and also the throat.
My reading of this ability makes me picture Ivy that has rootlets that will 
penetrate almost any surface.
This is similar to Cranberry juices' action to stop Bladder infections.
This basic mix is a good liniment with different ratios of ingredients.
If my mix has not been used for some time,I add a couple more drops of H2O2 and 
DMSO prior to using.
Harold
  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Gerard 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 8:13 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver for Sinus Problems- thanks


the Xylitol I forget what that does but I know it is an active 
ingredient, can you comment on that for me?
thanks deb

--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Clayton Family  wrote:

  From: Clayton Family 
  Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver for Sinus Problems- thanks
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 9:19 AM


Thank you very much both for the recipe and sharing your experience. 
Kathryn

On Oct 3, 2008, at 10:09 PM, geoe...@ipa.net wrote:

>
> You ask "Can we get your recipe?"
>
> I got this from a  email from Harold Macdonald:  Here it is..
> 1  Start with 2 oz of CS
> 2  Add 1/4 teaspoon of MSM
> 3  Add 4 drops of DMSO
> 4  Add 1/4 teaspoon of Xylitol   The sugar substitute
> 5  Add 2 drops H2O2 35 per cent food grade. (I have 8% food grade and 
> use 8
> drops of it)
>
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CS>OT CMO & lithium orotate

2008-10-05 Thread claire

CMO and Lithium Orotate have been discussed on the list in the past - I'm
looking for the best place to get both. Suggestions?

TIA,
Claire


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RE: CS>Willard Water

2008-10-05 Thread Nenah Sylver

Just to let you know, the site you linked to is not the original formula. I
believe they dilute it.

 

I buy my Willard Water from people I trust: http://www.willardswater.com/ 

 

Nenah

  _  

From: Rowena [mailto:new...@aapt.net.au] 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:39 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Willard Water

 

Someone asked a while back what Willard water was.  I have just come across
this link:

http://www.dr-willardswater.com/

R

CS>Hospital Nutrition

2008-10-05 Thread Paula


Pat,

I don't think things have changed much in the last 30 years. My  
husband had an aortic shunt (stent? - get those mixed up) installed.  
The doc sent home a dietary instruction sheet. I was absolutely  
appalled! It went straight in the trash. Jerry had lost a lot of  
weight he couldn't spare and he wasn't supposed to eat any 'real' food?


My mom - age 93 - broke her hip and was in the hospital for a week,  
then rehab (nursing home) for 5 more weeks. The ONLY thing I ever saw  
her fed that qualified as food was a banana. I was invited to have  
dinner with her one night in the dining room because they said she  
wouldn't eat. Some of the stuff they are feed looks okay until you  
look closer. What appeared to be a nice-looking piece of ham turned  
into SPAM. The minute you tried to cut off a piece it turned to mush.  
That went well with the artificial potatoes, artificial gravy, and  
pea mush. Jello went with every meal, including breakfast. NO  
condiments were allowed. BUT, they had a cart that was circulated  
throughout the home in the afternoon that contained things like moon  
pies, candy, dry popcorn, etc. The few who had money could buy that  
crap, along with things like Kool Aid and 'diet' sodas. I got her out  
of there as soon as I could. She then ate constantly and gained 10  
pounds. That put her at 94 pounds.


Skipping ahead to age 99, I was forced to send her back to the  
nursing home. When she went there she was being gotten up 3-4 times a  
day, ate at a table, and fed herself. During the first week at the  
'home' she was no longer gotten out of bed. It took them 3 weeks to  
kill her. She wasn't sick, she was just old. I was there every day.  
My last visit was at roughly 4:30 p.m. I thought her face looked  
funny and she wouldn't open her mouth. I sorta forced it and her  
mouth was crammed full of 'food'. That stuff had been sitting in her  
mouth for hours and she refused to swallow it. The nurse said, "Oh,  
she does that all of the time!" What do they do? Rake out the old  
stuff and stuff in new crap? It took two of us to get the food out of  
her mouth and she then drank so much water that we had to make her  
stop. She died the next day. My guess is malnutrition and dehydration.


The point being - and no offense to nutritionists - there is no  
substitute for REAL food no matter how old you are. Mom didn't reach  
that age by accident. She smoked, drank a LOT, and loved vegetables.  
She'd make a big batch of vegetables in a pressure cooker and eat  
them all week - Yarg!


Paula




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Re: CS>blue moons - Fingernail Diag Site

I just found this site and thought some might find it usefull.  It was really 
interesting.
connie
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Re: CS>blue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-05 Thread Dee

Maybe it is not enough oxygen in the system for some reason?  This can 
be the cause for things turning blue, ie. lips etc., dee


Sandee George wrote:

Hi There Neville - I concur with what you said  -  I myself have had blue
moons on and off over my life
starting from childhood, all long before I started using EIS so both Sol
and I have some other factor
which is causing this and I do believe it is the retention of heavy
metals from some other aspect in our lives, I have had two series of IV
chelation over the past 12 years and every time I do this the blue moons
go for about a year and then slowly return, so it is something definitely
in my case to do with the way in which my body processes food etc., 
which is a contributory factor here - now what exactly that is I have 
yet to discover when I do I will let everyone know - however until then
blue moons are nothing more than additional attraction to my hands ! 
  What I usually tell those who ask why is that I have a very high

iron reading in my body  I do believe that this is the case,
however cannot prove it as yet I
am NOT about to use soy to find this answer 
Cheers to all
Sandee

Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set
www.aliveagaingrenada.com


  



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Fw: CS>Colloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution

2008-10-05 Thread Peter Converse

Hi Folks,

I am resending this post to the group in hopes of getting more responses.

Thanks in advance,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Converse 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: CS>Colloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution


Hi All,

I ran across this website:   http://www.leesfountainofyouth.com/operated by 
an elderly man who believes that a colloidal silver/sulphur solution is the 
"best antibiotic known to man". He has some rudimentary instructions for making 
it on his site. I am wondering if the more versed among us in chemistry can 
comment on what is likely to be created with this method and whether such a 
concoction would be safe to ingest for anything other than sporadic consumption.

This has got me wondering also whether consuming CS and MSM together may be a 
good thing or not, as MSM is reported to be 34% sulphur. I have read elsewhere 
that MSM, like DMSO can be a good carrier to bring substances where they need 
to go so could the sulphur help the CS to reach pathogens do you think?

Any comments would be welcome!


Thanks, Peter

Re: Fw: CS>Colloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution

2008-10-05 Thread Deborah Gerard

Is sulphur from MSM the same as from the colloidal sulphur?
debbie

--- On Sun, 10/5/08, Peter Converse  wrote:

From: Peter Converse 
Subject: Fw: CS>Colloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 2:25 PM

Hi Folks,

I am resending this post to the group in hopes of getting more responses.

Thanks in advance,

Peter

- Original Message - 

From: Peter Converse 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: CS>Colloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution

Hi All,

I ran across this website:   http://www.leesfountainofyouth.com/    operated by 
an elderly man who believes that a colloidal silver/sulphur solution is the 
"best antibiotic known to man". He has some rudimentary instructions for making 
it on his site. I am wondering if the more versed among us in chemistry can 
comment on what is likely to be created with this method and whether such a 
concoction would be safe to ingest for anything other than sporadic consumption.

This has got me wondering also whether consuming CS and MSM together may be a 
good thing or not, as MSM is reported to be 34% sulphur. I have read elsewhere 
that MSM, like DMSO can be a good carrier to bring substances where they need 
to go so could the sulphur help the CS to reach pathogens do you think?

Any comments would be welcome!

Thanks, Peter

Re: CS>blue moons revisited


Connie,
 I take you to mean you don't know your iron levels?
sol

craehow...@juno.com wrote:


In answer to your questions regarding my iron and other levels or 
tests.  As a retired Vet I receive my medical through the Air Force 
Academy and have had blood work done that has returned only one 
problem and that was not really a problem, just an awareness check.  I 
see my doctor rarely and usually just to get a referral to someone; 
i.e. Physical Therapy, Bio-feedback.  Since having Cancer in 1994 I 
pay attention to my body and lifestyle.  I spent more time and energy 
on detoxifying my body... I believe that is the cause of most, if not 
all our problems.  Even when I had the cancer I did not let the 
doctors dictate my treatment.. and only did the minimum that the Air 
Force required to allow me to return to duty.  




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Re: CS>blue moons revisited


Neville wrote:
Don't misunderstand sol, I'm not talking about the pathogen aspect of 
CS, I'm aware of that, I'm referring to the fact that the ingestion of 
CS, using the appropriate protocols as we know are required for the 
production thereof, there should be NO issues if all we have 
researched, based on repeated experimental and scientific evidence, is 
to remain credible.  Do you see what I mean?  
No, I don't see. Individuals differ, and it is known that some people DO 
develop argryia even from very good pure EIS. It is very rare and I 
believe is thought to be from some imbalance in the person, say low 
selenium levels.
I don't think you can make the generalization that NO ONE ever can or 
should develop any measure of argryia from even properly made CS. People 
are not all the same, and as my husband says "shit happens". I don't 
think the fact that argryia happens says anything at all about what we 
know about CS or should be the determination if we should use it or not. 
Your argument doesn't make any sense to me.
It may not be that silver has the capacity to build up in the body, we 
know it has that capacity, given the right conditions. It is whether the 
particular body in question is more likely than a different body to have 
the build up happen. In that sense, I do believe your research sources 
at fault. Silver can and does deposit in body tissues, that is 
documented. And as I said, not only inferior, poorly made silver, silver 
chloride, silver proteins, etc. Silver doesn't stay an ion long in the 
body after all, but apparently actively changes from one form to 
another, one compound to another.
If you expect every single ion or particle of silver you ingest to exit 
the body I think your expectations are unrealistic in the extreme. Most 
of it is excreted, surely, but not all of it probably, and certainly 
some people retain more than others for unknown reasons. Sometimes the 
reason is as simple as ingesting crappy CS that is bound to be a 
problem, but not always.

Marshall? Mike? Ode? Do I have this wrong?
sol


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Re: CS>Who is the Scientist


Wayne Fugitt wrote:

Morning Neville,

What is the solution?   I think there is no solution.

Everyone tries.

The best solution is a lifetime of good habits and few bad habits.

Wayne,
 The problem there is no one knows for certain what is a good habit or 
what is a bad one. There are some things that time has proven bad, but 
over my lifetime, I have seen dietary advice and medical opinion on 
"good vs bad" switch 180 degrees. And on some issues not only once, 
either. And no matter what, I seem to be always behind the curve of the 
switch. Every damn thing I do to improve my health in one area causes 
detriment somewhere else. It is extremely frustrating to say the least. 
Things are always more complicated than they appear. And this 
particularly applies to the human body and diet and health.

sol


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RE: CS>Hospital Nutrition

2008-10-05 Thread Dianne France


Paula
 
When my husband was in the hospial for by-pass surgery we had the same problem 
with their food.  It made him terribly sick and he wouldn't eat the week he was 
in the hospital.  He was loosing weight and getting weak.  Once home he ate 
like a pig and no I didn't use their diet.  He got lots of good veggies from 
the garden and real meat (chicken, beef, & pork), nothing synthetic.  I'm not 
happy about the meds they have him on but I can't decide that for him.  He will 
have to decide what he wants to take.  I can only tell him about what I've read.
 
Hospital food will kill you!
 
Dianne
 
> From: pa...@hbeark.com> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:24:05 -0500> To: 
> silver-list@eskimo.com> Subject: CS>Hospital Nutrition> > Pat,> > I don't 
> think things have changed much in the last 30 years. My > husband had an 
> aortic shunt (stent? - get those mixed up) installed. > The doc sent home a 
> dietary instruction sheet. I was absolutely > appalled! It went straight in 
> the trash. Jerry had lost a lot of > weight he couldn't spare and he wasn't 
> supposed to eat any 'real' food?

Re: CS>OT CMO & lithium orotate

2008-10-05 Thread Bruce Anderson


Hi Claire;
I get LO tablets (Advanced Research) from Iherb and powder (their brand) 
from Beyond A Century.

Bruce A.

cla...@jazznsamba.com wrote:

CMO and Lithium Orotate have been discussed on the list in the past - I'm
looking for the best place to get both. Suggestions?

TIA,
Claire


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Re: Fw: Re: CS>blue moons revisited

Somewhere I did see some reports that silver has been found in the brain 
in autopsy. Don't remember where. Apparently that is one argument for 
the "danger" of CS. I've also seen claims that silver builds up in the 
kidneys of animals and causes kidney damage. I could not find any 
substantiation for that. (Apparently it does deposit in kidneys, but I 
can't substantiate that it causes any harm at all, let alone damage 
severe enough to cause death).
Don't have any references to hand on any of that though, so just from 
memory.

sol

craehow...@juno.com wrote:


Question:   If; in fact, Collodial Silver did accumulate (beyond 
turning blue) what could we expect that to cause?   I feel that a 
portion of the silver that we are digesting is building up; mainly 
because our elimination systems are not fuctioning well.  I know that 
mine has been a problem for 20+ years and I am now 61.  I've never 
been a junk food addict or consumed what was considered the tabo types 
of foods.  I loved my vegetables and ate very little meat. 

Has anyone seen any information on this? 




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Re: CS>blue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct


Sandee,
  What kind of chelations did you do? I'm curious to see what happens 
to my nails as I try to get rid of excess iron. I hope they will clear 
up as the iron leaves. I never had them before I started using CS, but 
then I used to be on a very different and iron poor diet while consuming 
a lot of iron absorption blocking foods and beverages. And way before 
that I had the iron poor diet plus I had a lot of actual hemorrhaging 
with menses so that probably kept the iron down.
  My second rank suspicion is if not from iron or silver, it may be due 
to some loss of circulatory efficiency from iron in the heart. This is 
known to be one possible consequence of iron overload, and I do have 
edema in ankles and feet which would go along with that idea. I get the 
edema from time to time, and cannot find a consistent correlation with 
anything in my diet or my meds.
  Re soy, I was being somewhat facetious. However it is interesting 
that over the years that I have avoided soy proteins of any kind, as 
well as cutting way back on tea (fluoride) and coffee (I forget why), 
and not eating peanuts and whole grains, and a few other things known to 
block iron absorption my ferritin has steadily risen. I had good reasons 
for my dietary choices, such as the phytates of grains also block 
absorption of other minerals such as calcium, and vitamins such as B-12. 
And soy definitely interferes with thyroid hormone and function, and 
also messes up the s*x hormones, but I may have needed the iron blocking 
it provided.  As in physics, so in the bodyEVERYTHING has an 
equal and opposite reaction. Or so it seems.
  It has also been interesting to read that the body has NO method of 
getting rid of iron. The only way it can deal with iron excess is to 
stuff it away in body tissues, and its favorite places are the organs. 
Humans only lose about 1-2 mg of iron daily, through sweat, urine and 
sloughing of skin nails and hair and loss of the intestinal cells that 
shed back into the bowel. (paraphrased from "Protein Power LifePlan". 
The body hangs onto iron very tightly.
  I was interested also to read that the diseases that seem to run in 
my family are those that can be caused or worsened by too much iron, so 
I may have a genetic component too. Well, those diseases can be caused 
by a bunch of other things also, but I did find it interesting.

sol

Sandee George wrote:

Hi There Neville - I concur with what you said  -  I myself have had blue
moons on and off over my life
starting from childhood, all long before I started using EIS so both Sol
and I have some other factor
which is causing this and I do believe it is the retention of heavy
metals from some other aspect in our lives, I have had two series of IV
chelation over the past 12 years and every time I do this the blue moons
go for about a year and then slowly return, so it is something definitely
in my case to do with the way in which my body processes food etc., 
which is a contributory factor here - now what exactly that is I have 
yet to discover when I do I will let everyone know - however until then
blue moons are nothing more than additional attraction to my hands ! 
  What I usually tell those who ask why is that I have a very high

iron reading in my body  I do believe that this is the case,
however cannot prove it as yet I
am NOT about to use soy to find this answer 
Cheers to all
Sandee

  



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Re: CS>blue moons revisited

I thought some silver chloride was formed the instant CS hits the 
stomach? Even an empty stomach.
Starting with silver chloride from using salt to make the CS would just 
make it worse, but I think some silver chloride happens in the body, and 
certainly would form in the blood, which is salty.

sol

Indi wrote:

I don't think it is likely that true CS can accumulate in your system,
or that if it did it would cause blue moons or argyria. As far as I
know, the bluish discoloration some people report is caused by silver
chloride, which can result when salt or baking soda is used as a
conductive starter to make CS, or when water other than distilled is
used to make it. Best to always use only distilled water, and to use a
small amount of a known pure CS for starter when making CS.
I have never seen any other symptom of argyria reported, only the
discoloration.

  



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Re: CS>Hospital Nutrition

I can't resist adding to what you say. When I visited my brother in a VA 
hospital following a hip replacement, the lunch they brought him was hot 
dogs, chips, and jello. I guess he did select those from the "menu" but 
still, how can those be on a menu supposedly prepared by a trained 
dietician?
Do they get training from Frito-Lay and Hormel? Oh, my brother was 
allowed ketchup and mustard, LOL. Good thing as the ketchup was his 
vegetable I guess, just like in school lunches.

sol

Paula wrote:
My mom - age 93 - broke her hip and was in the hospital for a week, 
then rehab (nursing home) for 5 more weeks. The ONLY thing I ever saw 
her fed that qualified as food was a banana. I was invited to have 
dinner with her one night in the dining room because they said she 
wouldn't eat. Some of the stuff they are feed looks okay until you 
look closer. What appeared to be a nice-looking piece of ham turned 
into SPAM. The minute you tried to cut off a piece it turned to mush. 
That went well with the artificial potatoes, artificial gravy, and pea 
mush. Jello went with every meal, including breakfast. NO condiments 
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Re: CS>blue moons - Fingernail Diag Site


Connie,
 Great find, I'm saving it. Extremely interesting.
sol

craehow...@juno.com wrote:


I just found this site and thought some might find it usefull.  It was 
really interesting.


connie

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Re: CS>blue moons revisited

Typically, if you have real CS (i.e. *not* ionic silver) there will be
a small amount of ionic silver. This can be mostly eliminated by
exposure to sunlight though. You are correct that silver ions will
react with the hydrochloric acid in the stomach and result in silver
chloride formation. With ionic silver, if it is potent enough (high
PPM) this can become a dangerous amount of silver chloride. "Dangerous"
meaning one may get argyria. In any event, ionic silver should not be
taken internally due to the fact that it is immediately transformed into
silver chloride, which is then stored in the body. There is no health
benefit to be gained from taking ionic silver internally, although it
can work as a topical antiseptic. It does have a very short shelf life,
and is inferior to colloidal silver.

True colloidal silver is composed of nano-sized particles, not ions.
It s not light-sensitive. The key to making it is to use high voltage
AC current. Low voltage DC current will only produce mostly ionic
silver. I am not sure what the optimum voltage and amperage are; I seem
to be successful using a 4,800 volt transformer rated at 30 milliamps.
(If you decide to do this, please do your homework re handling high
voltages first!)

I have found that when taking CS it is necessary to also use a
probiotic, as CS will kill the friendly bacteria in the digestive
system as well. It does not discriminate between "good" and "bad"
microorganisms. I know there are many people who claim they take large
doses of CS for long periods, but my experience indicates that if that
were true they'd not be able to venture far from the bathroom!

Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation about CS. I suspect the
FDA and AMA like it that way. So long as ineffective and even dangerous
products can be legally called "colloidal silver", the big drug
companies can justify pushing patented antibiotics.  

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:06:21 -0600
sol  wrote:

> I thought some silver chloride was formed the instant CS hits the 
> stomach? Even an empty stomach.
> Starting with silver chloride from using salt to make the CS would
> just make it worse, but I think some silver chloride happens in the
> body, and certainly would form in the blood, which is salty.
> sol
> 
> Indi wrote:
> > I don't think it is likely that true CS can accumulate in your
> > system, or that if it did it would cause blue moons or argyria. As
> > far as I know, the bluish discoloration some people report is
> > caused by silver chloride, which can result when salt or baking
> > soda is used as a conductive starter to make CS, or when water
> > other than distilled is used to make it. Best to always use only
> > distilled water, and to use a small amount of a known pure CS for
> > starter when making CS. I have never seen any other symptom of
> > argyria reported, only the discoloration.
> >
> >   
> 
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Re: CS>blue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread M. G. Devour

Indi wrote:

> Also, those reading my words should know I have been mostly
> unsuccessful at trying to get what I'd call accurate, unbiased medical
> advice about CS and other alternative treatments. All I really have to
> go by is my limited scientific knowledge of chemistry and physics, and
> my own (obviously anecdotal) personal experience. 

That is a basic condition of the whole area of study, re: CS. Nothing 
that's studied and found in journal articles bears much resemblence to 
what we're making and using.

In fact, what we do have is many years and many people's personal, 
anecdotal experiences plus limited clinical results, along with various 
experiments by amateurs and the occasional professional or semi-
professional.  

Among the consensus results is that "true colloidal" and "ionic" both 
seem to work very well. 

Remember that "ionic" silver will a) complex to form metallo-proteins 
in the saliva during sublingual absorption, and b) form silver chloride 
in the stomach, which in the small quantities involved is largely 
soluble, thereby remaining bio-available and active.

If it's the minority colloidal component that makes "ionic" silver 
successful for so many, then so be it. It's also not caused problems 
when made properly and used responsibly.

Of course, that situation may change, just as we've finally seen cases 
of argyria for people using archaic recipes using a bit of salt brine 
as an accelerant, to add to other known cases from concentrated silver 
salts, silver proteins, and other silver compounds.

Blanket statements that particulate is good and ionic is bad are likely 
as incomplete and inaccurate as their opposite numbers.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CS>blue moons revisited

Just had to comment on the statement "would not be able to venture far from the 
bathroom"...
I take large quantities of Collodial Silver daily (15-20ppm).  This means a 
quart or more.  I also take numerous probotics and have also started making my 
own Kim-Che (natural probotics).  If I did the CS only I could go on a months 
vacation and not worry about that little room.  That is why I take the 
probotics and Blessed Herbs "Digestive Stimulator".  I go through 2 to 3 bottle 
per month.  Also, I take Garden of Life "Primal Defense - HSO Probiotic 
Formula" a bottle a month.   So that statement above most definitely does not 
apply to me.
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Re: CS>blue moons revisited

Wow, that's a lot of probiotic (and a lot of CS).

I probably should have been more clear; I'm not saying 
that people are untruthful about how much CS they take, just that often
what they are taking is not what they think it is.
And I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, BTW.
Perhaps it was tactless of me to say anything at all, but for those of
us who are experiencing illness I think truth trumps tact. :)

Also, those reading my words should know I have been mostly unsuccessful
at trying to get what I'd call accurate, unbiased medical advice about
CS and other alternative treatments. All I really have to go by is my
limited scientific knowledge of chemistry and physics, and my own
(obviously anecdotal) personal experience. 

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:50:05 GMT
"craehow...@juno.com"  wrote:

> Just had to comment on the statement "would not be able to venture
> far from the bathroom"... I take large quantities of Collodial Silver
> daily (15-20ppm).  This means a quart or more.  I also take numerous
> probotics and have also started making my own Kim-Che (natural
> probotics).  If I did the CS only I could go on a months vacation and
> not worry about that little room.  That is why I take the probotics
> and Blessed Herbs "Digestive Stimulator".  I go through 2 to 3 bottle
> per month.  Also, I take Garden of Life "Primal Defense - HSO
> Probiotic Formula" a bottle a month.   So that statement above most
> definitely does not apply to me. connie
> 
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Re: CS>blue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-05 Thread Sandee George

You know Dee you may have a point here - I used to do oxygen therapy when
I lived in New Mexico
and I do not think I had any blue moons then, maybe I will give it a shot
again and see what happens
nothing beats a failure better than a try    Will touch base again
when I have done it for a while and
report on the progress 
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RE: CS>Hospital Nutrition

2008-10-05 Thread kmilkowski

Now you know why graveyards are usually right across the street from hospitals. 
I really don't think nutrition would be the proper term for the slop they serve 
there. Maybe un-trition, would be more appropriate??

Kurt
 Dianne France  wrote: 
> 
> Paula
>  
> When my husband was in the hospial for by-pass surgery we had the same 
> problem with their food.  It made him terribly sick and he wouldn't eat the 
> week he was in the hospital.  He was loosing weight and getting weak.  Once 
> home he ate like a pig and no I didn't use their diet.  He got lots of good 
> veggies from the garden and real meat (chicken, beef, & pork), nothing 
> synthetic.  I'm not happy about the meds they have him on but I can't decide 
> that for him.  He will have to decide what he wants to take.  I can only tell 
> him about what I've read.
>  
> Hospital food will kill you!
>  
> Dianne
>  
> > From: pa...@hbeark.com> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:24:05 -0500> To: 
> > silver-list@eskimo.com> Subject: CS>Hospital Nutrition> > Pat,> > I don't 
> > think things have changed much in the last 30 years. My > husband had an 
> > aortic shunt (stent? - get those mixed up) installed. > The doc sent home a 
> > dietary instruction sheet. I was absolutely > appalled! It went straight in 
> > the trash. Jerry had lost a lot of > weight he couldn't spare and he wasn't 
> > supposed to eat any 'real' food?


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Re: CS>blue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-05 Thread Sandee George

Hi There Sol - as I said, I did IV chelation, which has to be given by a
medical doctor, in the first instance
I did 21 bottles, then a second go-round a year later of 15 - this was
about 15 years ago.If you would like to read about it here is a good
book on it called  "Bypassing a Bypass" Most people go for the
oral chelation today however from my experience it is not as effective -
as from time I have tried this
method and I feel very little difference compared to when I did the IV
mode After three bottles I felt
on top of the world the first time around 
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Re: CS>blue moons revisited

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:50:05 GMT
"craehow...@juno.com"  wrote:

> If I did the CS only I could go on a months vacation and
> not worry about that little room.  

Forgive me being so dense; I missed what you meant there. If I
understand correctly you're saying that for someone who is constipated
killing the digestive bacteria will not give them diarrhea, or perhaps
that killing the digestive bacteria causes you the opposite problem it
does me. I had never though of that, and really I wouldn't know as I've
never had that problem (I think it's because I gave up eating meat as a
teenager, and rarely consume white flour or white sugar -- but maybe
it's just genetic, who knows?). So, perhaps my assumption was incorrect,
sorry. 

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Re: Fw: Re: CS>blue moons revisited

Now you are getting close, yes, as with all trace elements in the body, they 
are in colloidal form and silver will be among them so of course silver will 
'show up' on examination.  Silver plays no other role, to my knowledge, in 
the body other than to enhance the immune mechanism in our bodies, as with 
the individual purposes all other trace elements perform in the body, (which 
we would be ingesting naturally if the food we ate contained silver as well 
as all the other elements, but as we all know that is becoming more 
impossible every day with the mutilation and degridation of produce and 
soils).  But as I said, I am sticking my hand up and stating that I will not 
accept that this is an argument for 'dangers' of CS.  If I accepted most of 
what is anecdotal I would be with governments and pharmaceutical companies 
and be doing my utmost to drag CS down into the gutter where they think it 
belongs.  I refuse to do that, I've read too much about it.  There is too 
much talk and not enough action, someone has to stand their ground and I 
guess it's going to be me, call me a rebel or call me an idiot, I don't 
care.  More material needs to be made available to prove or disprove one 
thing or another and until I see proof I am going with the research I have 
done.  I have said before and I'll say it again, there is too much anecdotal 
'it could do this' or 'it may cause that' etc etc, someone needs to stand by 
CS regardless and I have made my decision based on research.  Any side issue 
relating to CS will be caused by some other issue which may be evident in 
the body and as a consequence I cannot agree with any supposition that CS 
has played a part in that cause and effect.   Hey, I am only a mug punter 
here as all you's know far more than I do regarding a whole range of things 
which I haven't the foggiest idea about but poor old EICS still seems to 
carry 'doubts' with most, I won't accept 'doubts' anymore, the more one 
reads about CS the more complicated it can, and will, become.  Oh, there is 
a medical condition regarding poor blood circulation which will cause 
'colour' as well but I will need to find the medical terminology for that 
again.  From a personal perspective I think people have read too much 'bad' 
stuff and when some 'effect' may become 'evident' they quickly associate it 
with CS, and for those who ingest it a tentative finger is always pointed at 
CS, only because of all the BS that is readily available, the nagging 
thought is always in the back of the head when quite possibly there should 
be no thoughts at all regarding the use of CS.who knows?  I have made my 
mind up on that.


This is all only my opinion of course, but I'm sticking with it, if it 
achieves nothing else it will be percieved as confirmation for those out 
there who may have doubts, or critisism from you people of my way of 
thinking, but most importantly it should provoke legitimate discussion here 
for the broader audience, call it for the purpose of more 'research' if you 
want, the more 'factual' information available, the better off everyone will 
beincluding me.  I don't mind stepping into the ring if it's for a 
good cause, and I believe CS is a good cause.  Yeah and I think the silence 
is a little deafening too, come on, get the axe out and cut me down. 


Cheers...N.

- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: CS>blue moons revisited


Somewhere I did see some reports that silver has been found in the brain 
in autopsy. Don't remember where. Apparently that is one argument for the 
"danger" of CS. I've also seen claims that silver builds up in the kidneys 
of animals and causes kidney damage. I could not find any substantiation 
for that. (Apparently it does deposit in kidneys, but I can't substantiate 
that it causes any harm at all, let alone damage severe enough to cause 
death).
Don't have any references to hand on any of that though, so just from 
memory.

sol



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CS>profit motive

2008-10-05 Thread Arnold Beland

Mike D. writes:

"Blanket statements that particulate is good and ionic is bad are likely as 
incomplete and inaccurate as their opposite numbers."

Their genesis is invariably the profit motive.

Re: CS>blue moons revisited


Yes well, perhaps I should try to be more open-minded then.
My own personal studies and experience have led me to form some pretty 
strong opinions, but it's true that personal experiences and results may
vary widely. I think I am getting a good handle on what works for me, at
least in a basic sense, but as I said I am no doctor. It would be a
mistake to assume that what works for my health issues is the only
"correct" treatment. I will try to avoid such blanket statements in the
future on this list. In the absence of any qualified authority in the
field, we must each find our own way as best we can. Thanks for
the pointer. :)




On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:45:53 -5
"M. G. Devour"  wrote:

> Indi wrote:
> 
> > Also, those reading my words should know I have been mostly
> > unsuccessful at trying to get what I'd call accurate, unbiased
> > medical advice about CS and other alternative treatments. All I
> > really have to go by is my limited scientific knowledge of
> > chemistry and physics, and my own (obviously anecdotal) personal
> > experience. 
> 
> That is a basic condition of the whole area of study, re: CS. Nothing 
> that's studied and found in journal articles bears much resemblence
> to what we're making and using.
> 
> In fact, what we do have is many years and many people's personal, 
> anecdotal experiences plus limited clinical results, along with
> various experiments by amateurs and the occasional professional or
> semi- professional.  
> 
> Among the consensus results is that "true colloidal" and "ionic" both 
> seem to work very well. 
> 
> Remember that "ionic" silver will a) complex to form metallo-proteins 
> in the saliva during sublingual absorption, and b) form silver
> chloride in the stomach, which in the small quantities involved is
> largely soluble, thereby remaining bio-available and active.
> 
> If it's the minority colloidal component that makes "ionic" silver 
> successful for so many, then so be it. It's also not caused problems 
> when made properly and used responsibly.
> 
> Of course, that situation may change, just as we've finally seen
> cases of argyria for people using archaic recipes using a bit of salt
> brine as an accelerant, to add to other known cases from concentrated
> silver salts, silver proteins, and other silver compounds.
> 
> Blanket statements that particulate is good and ionic is bad are
> likely as incomplete and inaccurate as their opposite numbers.
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike D.
> 
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
> 
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Re: CS>profit motive

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:46:30 -0700
"Arnold Beland"  wrote:

> Mike D. writes:
> 
> "Blanket statements that particulate is good and ionic is bad are
> likely as incomplete and inaccurate as their opposite numbers."
> 
> Their genesis is invariably the profit motive.
> 
> 
> 

No, not necessarily. My argument was based on a particular understanding
of chemistry and theory of metabolic response; I am not selling
anything. My motive is simply to conquer a debilitating MRSA. 

Of course on second thought I do realize that what I failed to consider
is that in practice, things rarely work precisely as they do in theory.
As far as I know, *theoretically* it appears that if you want to get the
maximum benefit of silver (for its antimicrobial effect) you will get
more bio-available silver in your system with true colloidal. However,
Mike makes an interesting point about sublingual absorption. And there
are also many studies which show that micro doses of various compounds
can be very effective under certain conditions -- some say more
effective than traditional-sized doses.

I guess it all comes down to which theory you want to start
investigating. So I find I must recant my blanket statement. All I
really know is that true colloidal has worked wonders for me, and that
ionic did not seem to do anything for me. But as they say, YMMV.

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Re: CS>profit motive

- Original Message - 
From: "Indi" 

To: 
Cc: "Arnold Beland" 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: CS>profit motive

Quote:
[As far as I know, *theoretically* it appears that if you want to get the 
maximum benefit of silver (for its antimicrobial effect) you will get more 
bio-available silver in your system with true colloidal.]

Well, there you go, this flies in the face of all I have read.  The greater 
majority of what I have read actually states exactly the opposite, so to use 
your phrase..."each has to find their own way", that seems to be the way, my 
way is ionic, but each to their own on CS and what condition it may be used 
for I guess, ionic vs particulate.  Sounds like a win win situation either 
way to me.

N. 

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Re: Fw: Re: CS>blue moons revisited