Re: CS>Update on Greg Caton/ altcancer.com

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Leslie, All,

The most helpful letters would come from those who have direct  
experience with the company and/or its products.   However, even those  
who do not have such experience review the link below, formulate  
personal opinions about the matter, and let the judge know.There's  
one reference letter linked below which might be a good template.






On Monday, Mar 8, 2010, at 12:34 Asia/Tokyo, Leslie wrote:

Can you give me an idea of what to write? I'll be glad to help by  
writing. Leslie
- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan B. Britten"  


To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:56 PM
Subject: CS>Update on Greg Caton/ altcancer.com



Here is a link to a call for letters:

http://doityourself-health.com/i/Free-Greg-Caton-from-FDA-tyranny- 
your- help-needed/


The court hearing is on March 17th so there is not much time.

I have from Mr. Caton's wife an address directly to the judge:

Judge Tucker L Melancon
US District Court
800 Lafayette St., Suite 4700
Lafayette, LA 70501

Please pass on the information.   NB the request for polite,   
intelligent correspondence focused on Greg Caton's products and   
educational information.





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CS>Update on Greg Caton/ altcancer.com

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Here is a link to a call for letters:

http://doityourself-health.com/i/Free-Greg-Caton-from-FDA-tyranny-your- 
help-needed/


The court hearing is on March 17th so there is not much time.

I have from Mr. Caton's wife an address directly to the judge:

Judge Tucker L Melancon
US District Court
800 Lafayette St., Suite 4700
Lafayette, LA 70501

Please pass on the information.   NB the request for polite,  
intelligent correspondence focused on Greg Caton's products and  
educational information.





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CS>Support for Greg Caton/AltCancer

[Jonathan B. Britten]

All,

From Greg Caton's spouse, I received a request for letters of support, 
to be sent to the judge (Melancon) via the attorney (McCann).


Those familiar with altcancer.com  may wish to write.   I intend to do 
so.


M. Dudley posted a link to an interview with G. Caton's spouse a month 
or so ago,  by Mike Adams.  It's worth hearing.











Randal P. McCann
Attorney At Law
1005 Lafayette Street
P.O. Box 3685
Lafayette, LA  70502
Tel: 337-232-1255
Fax: 337-232-1268

Judge Tucker Melancon

Thank you,

Cathryn Caton
Alpha Omega Labs


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Re: CS>new source of Liposomal vitamin C

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I second that.  iHerb has amazing rates.   Even very heavy items -- 
coconut oil for example -- to Japan are cheap from iHerb, because they 
use a Japanese-based shipping company, Yamato transport.



On Tuesday, Mar 2, 2010, at 05:22 Asia/Tokyo, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

If I am on anywhere but iHerb I always go to checkout and find out 
what the postage is going to be. 



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Re: CS>Fw: using h2o2 and EIS

[Jonathan B. Britten]

A quick additional question regarding EIS and H202:has anyone tried 
going one step further, and using the reduced EIS in Gatorade, about 
which B. Bradley has had good things to say in past? Based on what 
I have read here,  one should choose one or the other, and putting 
reduced EIS into Gatorade would just increase particle size again.



On Thursday, Feb 25, 2010, at 02:20 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Christina Mattson wrote:


Hi all, can anyone tell me what the benefits of using h2o2 with
EIS. i read that one supies oxygen to the body and the other helps
the body to use it. I know it breaks the EIS even more but which
part of it, the Particles or Ions or both and is there anyway to
purify non food grade to remove any stabilizers or other chemicals
that may be used. It seems impossible to get the food grade h2o2
here.
Thank you in advance
Tina



It breaks the particles down, it is impossible to break down ions 
(except in a cyclotron to quarks), they are atoms that have lost an 
electron and are actually smaller than the atom.  I don't worry about 
the stabalizers, there is only a small amount in the peroxide, and 
when you are only adding a few drops there is very very little. That 
may be a mistake since I have not looked at the MSDS on the 
stabilizers.


Marshall


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Re: CS>machine question

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I read her site in some detail years ago, and was impressed in 
particular by one link to an academic article about a Japanese many who 
got argyria from consuming a popular breath mint sold here -- Jintan is 
the name, sold in a few variations.


Sliver Jintan breath mints look like BB's or ball bearings or very 
large cake sprinkles.   The silver color, according to the article, is 
actual silver -- what kind exactly I can't say.


According to RJ's site at that time, silver cake sprinkles are the same 
-- real silver. As I'd enjoyed a few packs of Jintan, and was 
dabbling with EIS as well,  I was really glad to learn what she had to 
say; it may have spared me discoloration.


I don't know if Silver Jintan is still on the market.

As for RJ,  I try to keep an open mind and near divergent opinions, 
though I gave up on correspondence;  RJ doesn't want to hear ideas that 
differ from her own.








On Thursday, Feb 25, 2010, at 00:43 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:

it would be really nice of Rosemary to put those links back..but I 
guess she actually read what they linked to and found out it tended to 
disprove her assertions.



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Re: CS>Weighing the silver...

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I have some nutritionist friends who might know.   I'll try to remember 
to ask.Wouldn't surprise me if Frank Key knows already, though, or 
someone else lurking online.   My guess is that it's measurable, and 
that the information might clear up a lot of questions that have been 
circulating on the list for years.






On Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010, at 08:55 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:


Neville wrote:

I seriously doubt putting the whole kit and kaboodle on a scale would
be anywhere near accurate enough.


I recall thinking about this years ago...

If you made a liter of CS at 20 ppm, that would be 20 milligrams of
silver.

Now, can we measure a change of 20 milligrams on a 4" long piece of
silver wire? Maybe.

14 gauge wire is 1.628 millimeters diameter, 4" is about 100mm

pi x diameter x length = 1.628 x 3.1416 x 100 = 511 cubic millimeters

... which will be .511 cubic centimeters.

Density of silver is about 10.5 grams per cc:

.511 cc x 10.5 g/cc = 5.37 grams = 5370 milligrams

20 milligrams / 5370 milligrams = .00372 or .372 percent of the
electrode mass, dissolved into the water.

Now, we need a balance with a resolution of at most 1 milligram and a
maximum measurement range in excess of 6 grams...

I'm looking at a mettler ae100 that'll read up to 109 grams to the
nearest 0.1 milligrams... That'd do it. Don't know what it'd cost used.
Probably a few thousand.

Doable if you've got a decent balance. Your old triple beam probably
won't do it, though.

Please re-check my math to make sure I didn't drop some zeros anyplace!


Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CS>More on Diabetes

[Jonathan B. Britten]

This isn't exactly what I recall, but may be useful:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/ 
article1637528.ece




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Re: CS>[List Owner] Etiquette reminder...

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Thanks very much for this suggestion.

After a recent weekend I found nearly 400 messages in the Silver List 
folder, and was frustrated that so many were one-liners of the kind you 
mention below -- more than half, I think.   My feeling is that "thanks" 
messages would be appropriate only when the poster has some kind of 
follow-up comment, or seeks additional information or clarification.


If all members follow this advice,  I'll bet the volume will be cut by 
half or more, and the list reading experience will be much more 
pleasurable.





On Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010, at 01:03 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:


One liners saying "Thank you!" "Great post!" or "Me too!" and variants
thereof... add very little to the discussion, yet often account for a
large fraction of daily message volume.

Now, I fully understand that our mommas all taught us to be polite.
It's just good manners to be thankful and say so... I'll make two
suggestions:

Send it privately to the one person for whom it really matters to know
you are grateful.

Or, collect up the names of those who've responded to you and send
'batch' thank-yous to the list that acknowledge several at once.



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Re: CS>Which layer of skin for silver deposit?

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I've been wondering about this for quite some time, having read on this 
list that ppm  is really a measure of weight, not "parts" or 
"particles." I'll add a layman's question:   is there any scale on 
earth that could measure the difference in weight just by putting one's 
EIS jar on the scale before and after making the EIS? The precision 
would have to be astoundingly high.At those levels, maybe even the 
researcher's breathing would throw the results off.   Still, I wonder.









On Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010, at 01:58 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:

Doing quantitative analysis for silver compounds is really rather 
easy, if you have much silver present. The biggest problem is that at 
5-20 ppm, the quantities are so small, that getting a good weight on 
them is difficult.  It can be done though with a good balance, forget 
a postage scale. 



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Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[Jonathan B. Britten]

You're very welcome.  Since this is of interest, I'll add what I  
recall:  the work was done in South America -- Brazil perhaps -- and  
claimed that after the therapy,  the Islets of Langerhans  in the  
pancreas  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islets_of_Langerhans) were  
restored, and produced insulin.


The Google search starts here:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox- 
a&hs=80R&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ei=14uES_iDFYH-7AORj- 
BL&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAcQBSgA&q=stem+cell+thera 
py+restores+islets+of+langerhans&spell=1



Good luck!NB a Japanese new program some years ago showed a working  
man with severe diabetes, about to have his foot amputated, who  
reportedly greatly reduced his insulin injection requirements by  
drinking several liters of "alkaline water" per day.   The water is  
popular in Japan, with machines available in all electronic stores.
(The acidic water these machines produce also healed his gangrenous  
foot, and he walked out of the hospital and back to the job.)













On Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010, at 00:39 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad  
wrote:



Dear Jonathan
Thank you. I will look further into this. Blessings Karen Conrad
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan B. Britten"  


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes Question


I once read that MDs using adult stem cell therapy have cured  
diabetes, restoring the pancreas to normal condition.  The cells came  
from the patient's nostrils.I have not read follow-up on this  
report and can't vouch for its accuracy.
On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 04:22 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad  
wrote:
unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully  
this info can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad

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Re: CS>[List Owner] Footer problems...

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Yes, the archives are up.  Thanks for that, Mike!   And for everything 
else you've done to make this list one of the best on the net.




On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 05:32 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:


Why, THANK YOU, Chuck!

Now... Do you NOTICE anything SPECIAL about that FOOTER

ANYBODY?



Mike D.



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Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I once read that MDs using adult stem cell therapy have cured diabetes, 
restoring the pancreas to normal condition.  The cells came from the 
patient's nostrils.I have not read follow-up on this report and 
can't vouch for its accuracy.




On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 04:22 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad 
wrote:


unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully 
this info can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad



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CS>Henrietta Lacks

[Jonathan B. Britten]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

http://www.amazon.com/Immortal-Life-Henrietta-Lacks/dp/1400052173


A new book may be of interest to list members.   It focuses on a line 
of "immortal" cervical cancer cells taken from a woman named Henrietta 
Lacks.  The cells are known as HeLa cells.


I wonder whether the Italian MD who claims that cancer "is" a fungus 
refers to HeLa cells in his book.Their very existence, and 
worldwide application to research, makes his hypothesis seem unlikely 
in the extreme.



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Re: [RE]CS>Anecdotal information: Comment

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Those who would like to learn more about in-place silver (foil 
especially) should read R. O. Becker, M.D.   "The Body Electric" has 
some amazing information about in-vitro silver, as well as some 
fascinating historical data. Becker's book is absolutely essential 
for Silver List members.





On Thursday, Feb 11, 2010, at 23:16 Asia/Tokyo, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

The information you shared regarding CS treatment of deep wounds is 
remarkable.  Your description of removing and replacing treatment 
packs made me cringe.


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Re: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

[Jonathan B. Britten]

There's altcancer.com again, telling the truth and providing priceless  
information, while it's founder, Greg Caton, reportedly languishes in  
prison in Louisiana, after having been abducted from Equador.Oddly,  
there's no update on the website, however, though his wife confirms his  
imprisonment in the USA.





On Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010, at 05:52 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote:


Annie,
Many sell their own Lugol's type iodine. I think they are all
interchangeable. It is simple to make your own. I make my own using
iodine and potassium iodide I get on eBay. For how much of each, see  
the

formulas at http://www.altcancer.com/lugols.htm#formula.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:33 PM
To: CS List
Subject: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

Heya my chemistry guys, or gals :)

I really need some help here, pretty please?

Can you look at this and tell me if this is the
same Lugol's solution that is sold as Lugol's 5%
solution to take as a dietary supplement?

http://www.artchemicals.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=LC15675- 
52002

&click=2

Cause if it is, I'm gonna buy this one or the next
size down. It's a lot cheaper than the 2% 2 oz
bottles I've been buying for 10.99 plus shipping,
even with their shipping charge added to the
price. So far as I know if they say it's Lugol's
it is made a certain way. Lugol's is Lugol's? A
certain percentage of potassium iodide, and a
certain percentage of Iodine, and purified water?
is that right? Or it couldn't be labeled as Lugol's?


Annie
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Re: CS>Chlorine dioxide products

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Speaking of Dr. Higa, whom I met once -- a very nice man --  I strongly 
recommend the English translations of his brilliant books,  Earth 
Saving Revolution, Volumes One and Two.These have been among the 
most influential books in my life, and I'm not a scientist.   Higa 
writes in a manner accessible to the layperson, without condescension 
or "dumbing down" the subject matter.   Like many very bright men and 
women, he uses plain language to convey important ideas. Higa's 
involved in medical research with EM as well.   In the USA his products 
and books are available from a company called Sustainable Community 
Development, whose owner studied with Higa in Okinawa.








On Thursday, Feb 4, 2010, at 05:11 Asia/Tokyo, Sharlene Miyamura wrote:


 
Thank you, Tom!   We already have chlorine added to our local water 
and I see how it is activated much more when there is steam involved, 
so I was concerned.  Several emphysema people have said how it is 
difficult to breathe in the shower, perhaps due to the the activity of 
the chlorine when in the company of steam and our lungs.  

 
I recall a product called EM (Essential Microorganisms?) created by a 
Japanese horticulturalist, Dr. Teruo Higa, that balanced the soil by 
introducing good organisms into it.  So I wonder if the problem is 
that we have chlorine added to our water that throws an imbalance in 
the environment of the shower flora that causes the mold similar to 
our use of antibiotics and our yeast problem?  Just speculating...  EM 
is used by some to rid homes of mold and in prevention of mold. I used 
EM for my garden years ago, but not for mold. I found at least one 
article (many more if you do a search), but I don't know how valid it 
is, but worth looking into for non toxic means of mold control: 

http://www.mightymicrobes.com/effective-microorganisms.html
 
Sharlene
 

 
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:29 AM, poast  wrote:

Hello Sharlene,
 
Care has to be taken in sizing the packet to be used.  However, in 
general when the shower is running the fan is on and no odor is 
detectable.  I suppose it is possible to linger in the bathroom for an 
extended period of time after a shower and after the fan has shut off 
and having the door shut it may be possible to be exposed to a 
stronger concentration of chlorine dioxide.  Usually, this is not an 
issue.

 
Tom
 




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Re: CS>Now: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Off topic, but amusing -- the overpriced "print canvas" handbags by 
Louis Vuitton and other "luxury" brands are made of vinyl.   So I read.


Imagine that -- more than a thousand dollars for a vinyl bag with 
leather trim.   I think it's a high-grade PVC.







On Wednesday, Feb 3, 2010, at 15:19 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote:

There are poisons in the vinyl, too, that may be as dangerous as the 
mold.


That smell you get from purchasing a new vinyl shower curtain is 
dangerous

to your health.  Please check that out, too.


Same problem with any new vinyl product. Cars, waterbeds, raincoats, 
etc.


Other plastics may contain chemicals such as BPA, or leach plasticizer 
into
food or drinking water. It is important to know which plastics are 
harmful,

and to avoid them.

I have stopped using dw jugs made from HDPE. They leaves a bad 
plasticizer

taste in the water. PETE jugs leave no taste at all.

Regards,

Mike M.


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Re: CS>Pinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Jonathan B. Britten]

That's crucial.   Thanks for the valuable information.



On Friday, Jan 29, 2010, at 06:09 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote:


They strip  the  headers and email address from  the  post  so email
  harvesters cannot  grab the email address and spam  everyone  on the
  list.



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Re: CS>Anecdotal Evidence and CS

[Jonathan B. Britten]

M. Dudley has written many times in past about the possible role of 
caffeine in producing argyria, and the role of sunlight.


He might be able to pull up some previous posts on this topic that 
would be enlightening, and help to "develop" some ideas about the 
phenomenon under discussion.


Caffeine intake may be a major factor if he is correct.



On Friday, Jan 29, 2010, at 04:48 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote:


Dave,
Your information on your experience with EIS is very interesting and
useful.
To summarize your EIS usage, you took an average of one pint per day
(sometimes more - sometimes less) for eight years. All the EIS was 
clear

colored and made with a colloid master 777 using a setting for 20 ppm.
I assume that the 8 years is from the start of using EIS to today.
The time from noticing blue moons to noticing a skin discoloration was 
2

to 3 years. During those  2 to 3 years, you continued taking an average
of one pint per day of EIS. Other than the niacin, you took no unusual
types or amounts of supplements.
Can you tell us how long it was from the start of using EIS till you
first noticed blue moons?

Max,
Is it possible for you to provide similar information on your usage and
experience?


Thanks so much to both of you for your sharing.
- Steve N

From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Anecdotal Evidence and CS

The blue moons started long before the skin discoloration,I would say
about two years. Maybe three.
Dave


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Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I'm duly skeptical as well, but if the research is legitimate,  it 
would be very useful to know the mechanism.   I do note, however, that 
on Google, the first site to come up is Popular Mechanics, known to be 
a mouthpiece for disinformation.You're right to raise the 
skepticism.





On Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010, at 02:01 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote:

My immediate non-rational response to this information is that it is a 
scam to cover the DNA damage done by frequencies in the gigahertz 
range.  Maybe it it true, but it is just the sort of stuff that the 
bad guys promote.  For example, a prestigious Brit medical entity a 
few years back published a study that indicated that Vitamin C in 
theraputic doses causes Cancer. 


Jim 

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Jonathan B. Britten 
 wrote:


And speaking of plaque, see this:

http://www.j-alz.com/press/2010/20100106.html

Researchers claim that cell phone radiation eliminates beta-amyloid 
plaque in mice.   The probable mechanism is not clear from the > article.


Based on other research I have read,  I wonder whether EM radiation is 
disabling or destroying some pathogen, thereby allowing the natural 
immune system to break down and clear the neural plaque.   Researchers 
in the UK report success with magnetic treatments, and a brilliant MD 
named Y. Omura claimed effective electromagnetic therapy for 
Alzheimer's symptoms more than a decade ago.












On Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010, at 12:08 Asia/Tokyo, Pat Lawrie wrote:

Gordon, you might want to check out www.serrapeptase.org for reducing 
plaque. I just recently started
taking it for just that purpose. It is an enzyme and does a LOT of 
other stuff too.

Pat


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Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[Jonathan B. Britten]

And speaking of plaque, see this:

http://www.j-alz.com/press/2010/20100106.html

Researchers claim that cell phone radiation eliminates beta-amyloid 
plaque in mice.   The probable mechanism is not clear from the article.


Based on other research I have read,  I wonder whether EM radiation is 
disabling or destroying some pathogen, thereby allowing the natural 
immune system to break down and clear the neural plaque.   Researchers 
in the UK report success with magnetic treatments, and a brilliant MD 
named Y. Omura claimed effective electromagnetic therapy for 
Alzheimer's symptoms more than a decade ago.












On Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010, at 12:08 Asia/Tokyo, Pat Lawrie wrote:

Gordon, you might want to check out www.serrapeptase.org for reducing 
plaque. I just recently started
taking it for just that purpose. It is an enzyme and does a LOT of 
other stuff too.

Pat


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Re: CS> Clear Body,Clear Mind

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I know that Tom Cruise was promoting this as a means of helping first 
responders of 9/11, many of whom have died or are dying from lung 
disease or cancer.  Many others are disabled.   If the methods Cruise 
is promoting are not effective, then he's involved in a cruel 
deception, presumably unwittingly.I know more than that, but you 
might check with the FealeGood Foundation website and see if you can 
find information there.  John Feale has dedicated his life to helping 
9/11 first responders and seems to be a very good man.






On Thursday, Jan 21, 2010, at 19:16 Asia/Tokyo, martsmai...@aol.com 
wrote:


Does anyone know about this detox purification program put out by the 
Scientology Organization? Has anyone gone through it ?



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Re: CS>Comment of Possible Interest

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Brooks San,

You've previously spoken highly of Dr. Higa's Essential Microorganisms 
(EM),  which I introduced in this list quite some time ago.   I've 
experimented with it for home composting/agriculture, and for internal 
use (not approved for humans but widely practiced by experimenters.)
I learned not long ago from the local distributor that she reversed 
graying hair by regular application of diluted EM1 to hear scalp after 
showering.  I think it's a ten percent solution but I'll have to double 
check.


If these microorganisms do in fact have this effect, it would raise 
extremely interesting questions about the mechanism.I'll keep an 
open ear.


There are no miracles with any substance, alas;  some years ago Dr. 
Higa was hoping to re-grow hair on his own head, at that time with no 
success.







On Thursday, Jan 14, 2010, at 04:45 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:

He informed me that Micro-encapsulation utilizing liposome-generation 
techniques, is being successfully employed by the cosmetics industry. 
Most especially for enhancing the appearance (and apparently the 
health) of the hair.
He relates success in delaying/correcting early-onset color loss among 
a rather wide age spectrum. He advises that this recent development is 
not...as yet...very widespread.



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Re: [RE]CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries:COMMENT

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Dear Mr. Bradley:

Yours is a remarkable (and, sadly, all too credible)  statement.   I'm  
sure many of us would welcome your cogent explication, on or off list.   
 I can imagine that this topic may seem to be very thin ice indeed,   
however, and I've had related conversations on similar matters in which  
my interlocutor absolutely would not say more.Nevertheless, URL  
links to information that may provide illumination to those seeking  
better understanding would be most welcome.  In that regard, Mathias  
Rath, MD, makes some very powerful and troubling assertions on his web  
site.   Perhaps these have some connection to the comment below.


A very fine book on politics and economics that may prove of value to  
you and others is this one by Professor McMurtry, for whom I have  
enormous respect.  This book was one of few that helped to change my  
way of thinking. McMurtry fleshes out the "life economy" that  
humanity desperately needs.   The other side of things, of course, is  
the economy that currently reigns.


http://www.amazon.com/Value-Wars-Moral-Philosophy-Humanity/dp/ 
0745318908/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0








On Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010, at 11:01 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:

I have witnessed what I would characterize as ASTOUNDING.an almost  
total domination of both the professional and economic parameters of  
the national medical arena (research as well as the major elements of  
direct practice )by elements OUTSIDE the physical practice of the art.  
I will not comment on what I believe the complete nature of this  
influence to be.
However, one particularly vexing consequence of having a  
profit-oriented, cartel-like, control over ANY human endeavor  
involving the general population of a people is...that by  
definitionthe continued expansion of such "artificial constructs"  
requires a dedication to net business Income.not the health and  
vitality of the general population.except as an accidental  
corollary. This observation is so obvious that it mitigates against  
ANY reasonable rebuttal involving common sense.



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Re: CS>..How many watched the video and passed on..these videos are about Autism

[Jonathan B. Britten]

The "Eat to Live" download has useful information on mercury in foods.


On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 23:27 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:




It's a good idea to avoid ALL sources of mercury as best you can.

Ode


This is it in a nutshell, and although I believe your warning Steve 
is a very valid one, in my case it was not an assumption that it was 
the vaccines, but the mercury in the vaccine!


Hanneke

At 12:53 AM 1/01/2010, you wrote:


People are always looking for cause and effect.  There is a danger 
of being too eager to use anecdotal evidence to assign something as 
a cause when there are so many other things that may be to blame  
The problem with this kind of thing is that nobody knows if there is 
a correlation or not since this is 'merely' anecdotal evidence.



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Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Thanks for this link.  I printed the book and read it.   I think very 
highly of it.





On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote:


Read this e-book

http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf

You would have to change your diet...

Dan

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin  
wrote:

List members,

I hope someone can help me.  I have moderate blockage in carotid 
artery.
 Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very distracting 
and
seems to get louder with time.  Can anyone suggest a protocol that I 
could
try to reduce the build-up in the arteries?  I am concerned about a 
stroke.

 Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Gordon


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Re: CS>CDC says Mercury Common in U.S. Adults

[Jonathan B. Britten]

To give some idea of the madness of mercury in dental fillings:   
cremation is criticized because of the toxic mercury vapor released in  
the process, from the deceased person's dental work.


Imagine that.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/04h2ryvnkenvevt1/








On Saturday, Dec 12, 2009, at 11:14 Asia/Tokyo, Annie B Smythe wrote:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ercury-common-in-us- 
adult



Well, OK, so does that mean they think it's alright? Gee whiz. The EPA  
should be concentrating on getting mercury out of the environment  
instead of harping on silver! Mercury IS a poison.



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Re: CS>oreganol

[Jonathan B. Britten]

It's a good company indeed.   Sad to say, though,  essential oil prices  
have just about doubled since I last ordered, putting them out of my  
budget.




On Wednesday, Dec 9, 2009, at 14:05 Asia/Tokyo, Gail Rice wrote:


http://www.av-at.com/

Are you looking for herb or oil?

If you are looking for wild grown oregano oil, this is an excellent  
source. I've  
ordered from them for several years and find them trustworthy (which is 
 saying a lot in the aromatherapy business.) and their prices are  
excellent. 


Their oil is not diluted. You can join oils_herbs_etc at yahoo groups  
and access their archives to learn a lot about oregano oils.  If you  
search for posts by Butch about oregano you will find a lot of info.

-Gail

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Kathy Tankersley   
wrote:


Does anyone on this wonderful list have a source for ordering 'wild  
oregano?  Thanks, Kathy






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Re: CS>MS cure - Comment

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Arterial plaque, I have read, may form in response to inflammation 
resulting from pathogens.


If so,  EIS could have an effect by killing the pathogens that cause 
the buildup.


Eventually, the body might clear out the plaque.

It may be that something similar occurs in the brain, which might be 
the reason EIS was reported useful by one former member of this list, 
now deceased.


This is speculation but might be useful to anyone doing research on the 
topic.






On Monday, Nov 30, 2009, at 03:22 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote:

I guess that I should add that the CS testamonial also got me thinking 
about why the treatment helped at all since silver does not affect 
arterial plaque at all to my knowledge. It may be that the H2O2 played 
a more significant role than just increasing the effectiveness of the 
CS by increasing oxygen to the brain. Thereby reducing the effect of 
the partially blocked artery. I see this as possibly an additional 
support of oxygen therapies such as H2O2 and ozone.

- Steve N





From: Norton, Steve 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Nov 29 12:00:37 2009
Subject: Re: CS>MS cure - Comment

I appreciated the post. My first thoughts were if serrpeptase or EDTA 
could clear the blood flow without surgery. But both supplements have 
been discussed recently and I felt a comment would be redundant. I did 
file the info for future reference.

- Steve N





From: craehow...@juno.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Nov 29 07:11:40 2009
Subject: CS>MS cure - Comment

After reading the original post (the website indicated) I find it 
interesting that comments were not along that line.  Yes, it very sad 
that someone we knew who indicated that CS had made a significant 
difference in her condition lost her life; and we need to pass along 
her protocols that she shared with her story; but also when we become 
aware of a breakthrough (CS or not) that also needs to be discussed.


If it's blockage or a build at the base of the brain...   is the 
surgery indicated the only methodology for removal.  Also, does anyone 
have or know of someone who has knowledge of this procedure.   As we 
all know (with CS use) that there is skepticism and total disregard by 
most of the medical profession regarding this. 


I would be interested in hearing more comments regarding the initial 
subject.


connie




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CS>Honey and Botulinum

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I was quite surprised to learn recently that honey is a primary source 
of botulism, especially in children.  I'd never heard this until now.   
 Doctors recommend that infants NEVER receive honey.It's useful 
information to pass along.



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Re: CS>OT Vitamin D

[Jonathan B. Britten]

From the earlier message:
 

http://grassrootshealth.net/ is a very good site for Vit D info.  This 
video in particular is fantastic: 
http://www.ucsd.tv/search-details.aspx?showID=16940.  It’s 30 minutes 
long, but worth every second to watch it.


 


On Sunday, Nov 15, 2009, at 10:57 Asia/Tokyo, Dianne France wrote:


Jonathan
what is the link to the video you were referring to?
Dianne
 
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:43:49 +0900
> Subject: Re: CS>OT Vitamin D
> From: jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> I watched an interesting video from UCSD that a member posted here.
> It included a warning that D3 and Vit. A block the effects of one
> another, mainly A blocking D3. I recommend the video -- one of the
> most valuable postings on this list in quite some time.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, Nov 15, 2009, at 03:29 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote:
>
> > Just in case it might be of use, another product I have used for 
years
> > is Nature's Plus Vitamin A&D water dispersable. This is the dry 
vit A
> > palmitate with ergocalciferol (D2). I still take this one, and add 
the

> > non-fish D3 to it.
> > sol
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Re: CS>OT Vitamin D

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I watched an interesting video from UCSD that a member posted here.   
It included a warning that D3 and Vit. A block the effects of one 
another, mainly A blocking D3.   I recommend the video -- one of the 
most valuable postings on this list in quite some time.






On Sunday, Nov 15, 2009, at 03:29 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote:

Just in case it might be of use, another product I have used for years 
is Nature's Plus Vitamin A&D water dispersable. This is the dry vit A 
palmitate with ergocalciferol (D2). I still take this one, and add the 
non-fish D3 to it.

sol



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Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

[Jonathan B. Britten]

A caveat:  the Life Extension Foundation nutrition "bible" calls for  
much smaller doses.


LEF does not avoid calling for vitamin does far higher than RDA, so  
when they suggest caution, I tend to pay attention.


Here's a link to a page with many links.

http://search.lef.org/search/default.aspx?s=1&QUERY=d3







On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, at 09:06 Asia/Tokyo, Garnet wrote:


One recommendation is to start out with 10,000 iu D3 for
30 days, then 5,000 iu per day for maintenance. If you
get the flu take 50,000 iu for three days.

This is per the recommendation of Dr Jaquelyn McCandless
who is working with Low Dose Naltrexone for HIV and Autism.

Autistic kids have poor immune function according to her.

She also recommends LDN for all her patients over 60 as
a preventative and libido booster.

Garnet

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information

Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Bob Banever wrote:

Marshall,
How much D3 would you consume?  I take 5000mg as a preventative  
every day.

Bob
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley"  


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

C is good, but D3 is much better, and don't forget the CS.

Marshall

arthur rambo wrote:
For what its worth, I just came from a home where swine flu is  
suspected, started feeling something come on very soon after  
getting home; have been taking 30-40,000 mg vit c each hour since;  
the "head feeling" keeps recurring, but subsides minutes after each  
dose. I've done this in the past with success in modulating the flu  
so I was able to keep working with only mild symptoms. ( I was not  
in a place with people; I worked alone)
   I must have something, because I have not had so much as a  
rumble with all this c.


 


*From:* Clayton Family 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, October 20, 2009 12:25:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Europeans reject swine flu vaccines

Thanks, Dad!

On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

>  
http://www.prisonplanet.com/europeans-reject-swine-flu-vaccine.html

>
> Dad
>
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Re: CS>Breast cancer

[Jonathan B. Britten]

A Swedish MD named Nordenstrom used electrodes to treat cancer, 
starting several decades ago.  He was at the Karolinska Institute.  I 
do not know what has become of his methodology.


"Cancer Salves" by Ingrid Naiman specifically addresses breast cancer.  
 It's a remarkable book.


Altcancer.com  also has useful information.








On Friday, Oct 16, 2009, at 18:06 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:




  She might try alkalizing the area with a Zapper.
 Make her a brass bra cup and hook em up.

 Zappers make electro-chemicals out of the salt in the blood to 
transport electrons around...home made chemo with the antidote on the 
other pole, dose controlled by the amount of current drawn and 
duration of Zap and which agent goes where controlled by polarity.


Hypochlorus acid on one [an MMS analog], Sodium Hydroxide on the other 
[ does what Baking Soda does] ..and if you use silver electrodes, 
Silver Iontophorosis [direct injection of silver ions through the skin 
to stimulate stem cells ]


Ode


At 01:07 PM 10/15/2009 -0600, you wrote:

Dear Mike,


(I just tried to send a message to the Silverlist but it failed, so 
I`ll try sending it this way):



Silverlisters:
I just found out that my best friend has been diagnosed with breast 
cancer. She went in recently for a chest xray for her breathing 
problems, and oops, there was a lump visible. It was biopsied and she 
was just informed it is malignant. She is a firm believer in 
CS,thanks to my good experiences, and is also willing to try other 
alternatives.

If you know of any, please let me know and I`ll inform her.
Debbie is good people and really needs your help!!!
Thanks,
Marshalee




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Re: CS>Alkalizing

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Tokyo Broadcasting System ran a series about alakaline/acid water 
machines some years ago.   A man who was to lose his foot due to 
diabetic gangrene saved his foot in hospital by soaking it in acid 
water (which alkaline water machines make as runoff, or by selecting 
the acid setting.)


The acidic water healed his foot.  He also had to drink three liters of 
alkaline water per day.  This partially reversed the diabetes to the 
extent that he greatly cut back on insulin use.   The Isle of Langeurs 
(sp?) that produces insulin also recovered and started production 
again, according to the MDs at the hospital.


This may tie in with someone's recent claim that gastric bypass surgery 
reverses diabetes.   I know nothing about that, but alkaline water 
might have some bearing on gastric acid effects on insulin production.  
 Just speculation, but interesting.


I concur with the observation that commercial alkaline water output has 
a superb taste.  It makes wonderful tea, too.


The same machine has worked well for me for more than 10 years -- worth 
every penny of the purchase.   It's a shame they aren't widely sold 
outside Japan.   Mass production brings the price down to reasonable 
levels.








On Tuesday, Oct 6, 2009, at 23:06 Asia/Tokyo, Peter Converse wrote:

Some say that ionized water has restructured molecules I think. I'm no 
chemist and can't refute or confirm that  statement but I will say 
that it's the only water which I have ever received die-off from 
drinking (Herxheimer effect). That being said, it hasn't "cured" me of 
anything, that's for sure! (except for fat wallet syndrome)



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Re: CS>CS as a sterilizer

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Check also the deal from Beyond A Century on 5,000 IU soft gels.  It 
may be the best buy.




On Sunday, Sep 27, 2009, at 17:34 Asia/Tokyo, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I got mine from iHerb and they are Now brand and they are only $5.56 
for 180 softgels and are 1000 IU  dee


On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:04, Garnet wrote:

Vit D3 is the best flu preventative, 400 iu for kids and 2000 iu for 
adults.



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Re: CS>viral meningitis

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I would like to add that the extensive research of Y. Omura, MD, shows 
that many heavy metals, bacteria, and viruses cross the barrier; many 
of his reports identify these in various parts of the brain of many of 
his patients.   The barrier is evidently more porous than commonly 
thought.The bi-digital o-ring test, in the hands (literally) of a 
licensed expert, could identify not only the materials in the brain, 
but their elimination, and the presence of therapeutic agents as well.








On Saturday, Sep 26, 2009, at 01:06 Asia/Tokyo, zoe w wrote:

Cayenne pepper  does  cross the blood brain barrier  and is used  for 
that reason  in  many herbal formulas. Adding  a bit of Cayenne 
tincture to the CS   should  be very  effective.


zoe


Marshall Dudley wrote:
Although viral meningitis should be rather easy to prevent with CS, 
it is likely difficult or impossible to cure with CS. The reason 
being that CS will kill the virus when it is in the blood stream, but 
once it gets into the spinal fluid and across the blood brain 
barrier, the CS can no longer effectively reach it.  Things that can 
reach into those areas are needed. Among the possibilities are:


1. magnetic pulsing
2. ozonated water
3. Maybe MMS would help, not sure

This information is for research only. No medical advise is being 
given.


Marshall

Lin Gregerson wrote:
Just received word that a friends adult son is in the hospital with 
viral meningitis.  His wife and teens are home cleaning as fast as 
they can. It's probable he caught this from one of his kids friends 
that has spent quite a bit of time in their home and was recently 
diagnosed with the same virus. Everyone in the family has likely 
been exposed.  They live about 300 miles from me but they do have a 
couple of gallons of the EIS I make.  Up until now they have not 
been taking it orally.
Can someone in the group offer advise on how they can help 
themselves with the EIS they have on hand now?

Thanks  much, Lin



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Re: CS>Eliminate Toothache Infection (Abscess) With Anacardic Antibiotic in Cashew Nuts

[Jonathan B. Britten]

This article did not reach me.   Reposting appreciated.

On Friday, Sep 18, 2009, at 21:36 Asia/Tokyo, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:


Really good article Brooks.  dee

On 17 Sep 2009, at 23:18, Brooks Bradley wrote:

We have, during the immediately past 15 years, conducted 
various evaluations for mitigating against the difficult circumstances
encountered after root canal procedures...which resulted in 
concomitant infection presentations.  Only a very few protocols 
furnished any real corrective response.  Our best results came from 
using EIS (10 ppm) 90% by volume + DMSO  (Full Strength)
10% by volume.   However, some "long-standing" abscesses  failed to 
respond completely.  During literature searches circa Sept.. 2008, one 
of our researchers came across an intriguing protocol suggestion. 
 This protocol did suggest to be a possible methodology.of genuine 
merit..  In any event I include a url for a posting which covers the 
protocolin general terms.
 The detailed literature (available by following the posted 
references) did seem to be promisingwe just did not have enough
available manpower to examine this threadeven as promising as it 
might appear.

   Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.





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Re: CS>RE: silver-digest Digest V2009 #549

[Jonathan B. Britten]

If the Italian MD Simoncini is correct, this cancer can be treated 
simply by drinking sodium bicarbonate.


It's an arresting claim.  A friend's wife died of this disease and it 
was painful even to witness; not long after colon cancer claimed 
another friend's wife.


Had we known then of Simoncini's claims. . .

There was nothing to lose.








On Thursday, Sep 17, 2009, at 04:18 Asia/Tokyo, Paul Bond wrote:

 I’m not well versed on the conditions of each, but strangely, all 
four have stomach cancer.


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Re: CS>EU666...US666 ]Leslie]

[Jonathan B. Britten]

BTW, you may have been thinking of coriander rather than cholorella, 
Marshall.


In Google-searching for information about parsley versus cilantro I 
found a lot of confusing statements and some misinformation.


Wikipedia provides what looks like the best overview:

"Parsley (Petroselinum crispum) is a bright green biennial herb, often 
used as spice. It is common in Middle Eastern, European, and American 
cooking. Parsley is used for its leaf in much the same way as coriander 
(which is also known as Chinese parsley or cilantro), although parsley 
has a milder flavor."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsely

Bottom line:  for purging mercury, you want the leaves of what is known 
as Chinese Parsley/ cilantro.







On Wednesday, Sep 16, 2009, at 11:43 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten 
wrote:



With respect, no.

There is more than kind of parsley;  cilantro is one of them.

Chlorella is an algae.

There are several kinds with different claimed benefits.   I have read 
the mercury scavenging claims also.




On Wednesday, Sep 16, 2009, at 00:13 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Two names, same plant.

Marshall


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

So does chlorella.  dee

On 15 Sep 2009, at 00:55, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

Research by Y. Omura, M.D.,  indicates that cilantro effectively 
removes mercury from the human body.


There are various recipes for cilantro sauces on the Internet, as 
well as sources for capsules.















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Re: CS>EU666...US666 ]Leslie]

[Jonathan B. Britten]

With respect, no.

There is more than kind of parsley;  cilantro is one of them.

Chlorella is an algae.

There are several kinds with different claimed benefits.   I have read 
the mercury scavenging claims also.




On Wednesday, Sep 16, 2009, at 00:13 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Two names, same plant.

Marshall


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

So does chlorella.  dee

On 15 Sep 2009, at 00:55, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

Research by Y. Omura, M.D.,  indicates that cilantro effectively 
removes mercury from the human body.


There are various recipes for cilantro sauces on the Internet, as 
well as sources for capsules.















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Re: CS>Re: Water Distiller

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I think that corporate media have a nearly complete blackout on the DU 
issue.


If anyone has links to studies supporting the claim below they would be 
welcome.





On Tuesday, Sep 15, 2009, at 20:57 Asia/Tokyo, Donna wrote:

When it rains these DUs come with the rain water. 



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Re: CS>EU666...US666 ]Leslie]

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Research by Y. Omura, M.D.,  indicates that cilantro effectively 
removes mercury from the human body.


There are various recipes for cilantro sauces on the Internet, as well 
as sources for capsules.










On Tuesday, Sep 15, 2009, at 08:27 Asia/Tokyo, Deborah Gerard wrote:


clay would absorb the mercury.



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Re: CS>Re:MMS ENCAPSULATION

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Graviola, also extensively studied, is available legally everywhere, at 
modest cost.   The Budwig Diet, likewise.   There are others worth 
considering but these come to mind at the moment, and  are immediately 
available to almost anyone.





On Tuesday, Sep 1, 2009, at 11:01 Asia/Tokyo, Bob Banever wrote:

If he lived in a state that allows medical marijuana he could purchase 
enough of it to make his own as well.

 
Bob

- Original Message -
From: paul catania
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: CS>Re:MMS ENCAPSULATION

Dear Alan and Bob,
 
Alan wrote.
I'm pretty sure that guy doesn't sell the oil, and I'm pretty sure 
it's illegal.  Too bad.

Alan
 
Bob wrote...
Your friend might wish to consider marijuana oil as a potential cure 
for his cancer.  It is backed by solid research.  He would need to 
consume 60 grams over a 90 day period of the oil.  Go to 
PhoenixTears.ca for more info and just google it as well.  Watch "Run 
from the Cure".  Good luck.

Bob
No, he doesn't sell it to my knowledge, but it's not illegal 
everywhere.
In some states, like mine (Nevada) you can get a permit to grow enough 
to make your own. But, assuming they approved his application and his 
reasons for it, by the time he would get the permit, grow it, and 
process it, he would be gone. (Dr.'s give him 3 months to live)

Paul
 




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Re: CS> baking soda

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Scanning his site (cancerisfungus.net) I found that he claims there are 
some cancers that respond to home treatment.  Others require 
catheterization, after which the patient can continue the therapy as an 
outpatient.




On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 22:01 Asia/Tokyo, Scott Adams wrote:


"Apply at home"? He uses iv sodium carbonate. I have not
found a baking soda therapy on his webstie that can be
applied at home.



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Re: CS>Simoncini, Baking Soda, Vitamin C

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Here's a link with an interview of the good Doctor -- a lovely man.

http://starfishproject.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/sodium-bicarbonate- 
treatment-kills-cancer-and-fungus/







On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 13:00 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten  
wrote:


That's a very amusing URL and worth bookmarking, but of course no  
substitute for the accumulated knowledge of list members.



On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 12:46 Asia/Tokyo, cking...@nycap.rr.com  
wrote:




http://tinyurl.com/nnmx9u

Chuck
Living with saints is tougher than being one.


On 8/28/2009 10:39:00 PM, Jonathan B. Britten
(jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp) wrote:

So:  to restate the original question:

If sodium carbonate combats cancer, might sodium ascorbate also have  
a

similar effect?

Not likely I suppose, but perhaps worth asking.





On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 11:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:


I found the advice from Brooks on Vitamin C.  Here it is:


Subject: CS>Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com

For interested parties on the list that may not
know where to beginto familiarize themselves, somewhat, with the
Work of  Dr. F. Klenner,  this introduction to some of his early
worksmight be illuminating.  (see url at bottom of page).
Dr. Robert F. Cathcart.  M.D., has been most
successful in his Vitamin C protocol developments.
  Try  Http//WWW.orthomed.com/titrate.htmfor  
some

interesting commentary on addressing clinical/sub-clinical scurvy.
Few members of the general public realize how very prevalent low
systemic levels of vitamin C

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Re: CS>Simoncini, Baking Soda, Vitamin C

[Jonathan B. Britten]

That's a very amusing URL and worth bookmarking, but of course no 
substitute for the accumulated knowledge of list members.



On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 12:46 Asia/Tokyo, cking...@nycap.rr.com 
wrote:




http://tinyurl.com/nnmx9u

Chuck
Living with saints is tougher than being one.


On 8/28/2009 10:39:00 PM, Jonathan B. Britten
(jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp) wrote:

So:  to restate the original question:

If sodium carbonate combats cancer, might sodium ascorbate also have a
similar effect?

Not likely I suppose, but perhaps worth asking.





On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 11:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:


I found the advice from Brooks on Vitamin C.  Here it is:


Subject: CS>Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com

For interested parties on the list that may not
know where to beginto familiarize themselves, somewhat, with the
Work of  Dr. F. Klenner,  this introduction to some of his early
worksmight be illuminating.  (see url at bottom of page).
Dr. Robert F. Cathcart.  M.D., has been most
successful in his Vitamin C protocol developments.
  Try  Http//WWW.orthomed.com/titrate.htmfor some
interesting commentary on addressing clinical/sub-clinical scurvy.
Few members of the general public realize how very prevalent low
systemic levels of vitamin C

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Re: CS>Simoncini, Baking Soda, Vitamin C

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Thanks for clarifying the pH mechanism of Dr. Simoncini's protocol.   
I'd forgotten, frankly.


It was still useful to revisit the BB posting and the claim that sodium 
ascorbate is 1,000 more available than ascorbic acid, and easy and 
cheap to make as well.







On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 12:08 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote:

If it does it is for a different reason than sodium carbonate. Sodium 
carbonate kills cancer because of it's high pH. The pH of  sodium 
ascorbate is only 7.4.
As Chuck pointed out earlier, messing with blood pH is dangerous. That 
is why  Dr. Simoncini uses an IV to introduce the sodium carbonate 
into the blood just prior to the blood arriving at the cancer and to 
localize the effect of the pH change. 

 - Steve N

- Original Message -
From: Jonathan B. Britten 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Fri Aug 28 21:39:00 2009
Subject: Re: CS>Simoncini, Baking Soda, Vitamin C

So:  to restate the original question:

If sodium carbonate combats cancer, might sodium ascorbate also have a 
similar effect?

Not likely I suppose, but perhaps worth asking.




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Re: CS>Simoncini, Baking Soda, Vitamin C

[Jonathan B. Britten]

So:  to restate the original question:

If sodium carbonate combats cancer, might sodium ascorbate also have a  
similar effect?


Not likely I suppose, but perhaps worth asking.





On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 11:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten  
wrote:



I found the advice from Brooks on Vitamin C.  Here it is:


Subject: CS>Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com

For interested parties on the list that may not  
know where to beginto familiarize themselves, somewhat, with the  
Work of  Dr. F. Klenner,  this introduction to some of his early  
worksmight be illuminating.  (see url at bottom of page).
Dr. Robert F. Cathcart.  M.D., has been most  
successful in his Vitamin C protocol developments.
  Try  Http//WWW.orthomed.com/titrate.htmfor some  
interesting commentary on addressing clinical/sub-clinical scurvy.
Few members of the general public realize how very prevalent low  
systemic levels of vitamin C are presenting among them.  Also, it is  
useful to note that one should be quite explicit as to what "type" of  
ascorbate  (e.g. sodium ascorbate, ascorbic acid, calcium ascorbate,  
etc.).  This will mitigate against misunderstandings by persons with  
whom you may be in contact.
  One additional comment:  At present, there are an increasing  
number of individuals using  ascorbic acid powder and solutions as a  
direct nasal spray..in address to various sinus presentations.   
Our research STRONGLY INDICATES such a protocol
will cause damage to the mucous membranes (at least this has proven  
the case in our experimental research).  The simple solution is to use  
either powdered sodium ascorbate  "snuffed", or a buffered solution of  
acorbic acid powder mixed with enough sodium bicarbonate to yield a  
near neutral ph.  This is quite simple in reality...one can place  
1 level teaspoon of ascorbic acid powder/crystals  in about 3 ounces  
of water and add about 1/2 teaspoon of common baking soda (sodium  
bicarbonate) and stir well.  The parent mixture will, immediately,  
become sodium ascorbate-one of the ideal forms of ascorbate to  
ingest.   Such a mixture has demonstrated to never
cause any untoward effects in any of our experimental  
volunteers...all epithelial tissues are quite accepting, and no  
damage has ever been evident.Sincerely,  Brooks  
Bradley


 p.s.  Sodium ascorbate is several thousand percent MORE absorbable by  
human tissue.than is ascorbic acid...and it IS NOT  a tissue  
burner.


Http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh- 
clinical_guide_1988.htm
Another excellent source of Vitamin C information is 
Http//www.vitamincfoundation.org




On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 10:32 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten  
wrote:


I am directing this to Mr. Bradley in hopes he may have some idea  
whether a vitamin C/ baking soda mix would retain any of the  
beneficial effects Dr. Simoncini has described.


If memory serves me, Mr. Bradley is a long-ago post about various  
kinds of vitamin C described a mix of C and ordinary baking soda. 
I believe the posting recommended ordinary ascorbic acid.


This combination makes the C easy on the digestive system and, he  
said, greatly increased biological uptake of the vitamin.


This simple information has to be among the best  "finds" on this  
list. It would be very good luck if the mixture retains the  
benefits of the sodium carbonate therapy Dr. Simoncini has reported.


I had the message about the C/carbonate flagged in my folder and  
cannot seem to locate it now.  If anyone can help out by reposting  
that, I'm sure it would be very welcome.

















On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 06:12 Asia/Tokyo, paul catania wrote:


Dear Brooks Bradley,
   Thank you so much for your kind  
concern and good wishes. I will definitely look into Dr Simoncini's  
protocols. I just got back from the hospital and the Dr.'s give him  
2 to 3 months, so time is not on his side.

Sincerely,
Paul Catania
 
 
 
- Original Message -

From: Brooks Bradley
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: [RE]CS>MMS ENCAPSULATION: COMMENT

Dear Paul,
Your anxiety over your friend's well-being is understandable.
and commendable.I extend my bestgenuinely heartfelt, wishes  
for his complete recovery. I have a suggestion which might prove to  
be of genuine value in
your searches for effective modalities for his presenting carcinoma.  
My personal
investigations of Dr. Tullio Simoncini have resulted in an  
INCREASING respect for his
demonstrated results.and the freedom from any, detectable,  
toxic/debilitating side-effects resulting from his basic protocol  
address. Naturally, the allopathic community, following the urgings  
of t

Re: CS>Simoncini, Baking Soda, Vitamin C

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I found the advice from Brooks on Vitamin C.  Here it is:


Subject: CS>Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com

For interested parties on the list that may not  
know where to beginto familiarize themselves, somewhat, with the  
Work of  Dr. F. Klenner,  this introduction to some of his early  
worksmight be illuminating.  (see url at bottom of page).
Dr. Robert F. Cathcart.  M.D., has been most  
successful in his Vitamin C protocol developments.
  Try  Http//WWW.orthomed.com/titrate.htmfor some  
interesting commentary on addressing clinical/sub-clinical scurvy.
Few members of the general public realize how very prevalent low  
systemic levels of vitamin C are presenting among them.  Also, it is  
useful to note that one should be quite explicit as to what "type" of  
ascorbate  (e.g. sodium ascorbate, ascorbic acid, calcium ascorbate,  
etc.).  This will mitigate against misunderstandings by persons with  
whom you may be in contact.
  One additional comment:  At present, there are an increasing  
number of individuals using  ascorbic acid powder and solutions as a  
direct nasal spray..in address to various sinus presentations.  Our  
research STRONGLY INDICATES such a protocol
will cause damage to the mucous membranes (at least this has proven the  
case in our experimental research).  The simple solution is to use  
either powdered sodium ascorbate  "snuffed", or a buffered solution of  
acorbic acid powder mixed with enough sodium bicarbonate to yield a  
near neutral ph.  This is quite simple in reality...one can place 1  
level teaspoon of ascorbic acid powder/crystals  in about 3 ounces of  
water and add about 1/2 teaspoon of common baking soda (sodium  
bicarbonate) and stir well.  The parent mixture will, immediately,  
become sodium ascorbate-one of the ideal forms of ascorbate to  
ingest.   Such a mixture has demonstrated to never
cause any untoward effects in any of our experimental  
volunteers...all epithelial tissues are quite accepting, and no  
damage has ever been evident.Sincerely,  Brooks  
Bradley


 p.s.  Sodium ascorbate is several thousand percent MORE absorbable by  
human tissue.than is ascorbic acid...and it IS NOT  a tissue burner.


Http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh- 
clinical_guide_1988.htm
Another excellent source of Vitamin C information is 
Http//www.vitamincfoundation.org




On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 10:32 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten  
wrote:


I am directing this to Mr. Bradley in hopes he may have some idea  
whether a vitamin C/ baking soda mix would retain any of the  
beneficial effects Dr. Simoncini has described.


If memory serves me, Mr. Bradley is a long-ago post about various  
kinds of vitamin C described a mix of C and ordinary baking soda.I  
believe the posting recommended ordinary ascorbic acid.


This combination makes the C easy on the digestive system and, he  
said, greatly increased biological uptake of the vitamin.


This simple information has to be among the best  "finds" on this  
list. It would be very good luck if the mixture retains the  
benefits of the sodium carbonate therapy Dr. Simoncini has reported.


I had the message about the C/carbonate flagged in my folder and  
cannot seem to locate it now.  If anyone can help out by reposting  
that, I'm sure it would be very welcome.

















On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 06:12 Asia/Tokyo, paul catania wrote:


Dear Brooks Bradley,
   Thank you so much for your kind  
concern and good wishes. I will definitely look into Dr Simoncini's  
protocols. I just got back from the hospital and the Dr.'s give him 2  
to 3 months, so time is not on his side.

Sincerely,
Paul Catania
 
 
 
- Original Message -

From: Brooks Bradley
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: [RE]CS>MMS ENCAPSULATION: COMMENT

Dear Paul,
Your anxiety over your friend's well-being is understandable.
and commendable.I extend my bestgenuinely heartfelt, wishes  
for his complete recovery. I have a suggestion which might prove to  
be of genuine value in
your searches for effective modalities for his presenting carcinoma.  
My personal
investigations of Dr. Tullio Simoncini have resulted in an INCREASING  
respect for his
demonstrated results.and the freedom from any, detectable,  
toxic/debilitating side-effects resulting from his basic protocol  
address. Naturally, the allopathic community, following the urgings  
of the reigning Pharmaceutical Interests'.has studiously, avoided  
giving any measurable credence
to Dr. Simoncini's very COMPELLING results, achieved over the  
immediately-past 15 years.
It appears self-evident that there is little incentive for the

CS>Simoncini, Baking Soda, Vitamin C

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I am directing this to Mr. Bradley in hopes he may have some idea 
whether a vitamin C/ baking soda mix would retain any of the beneficial 
effects Dr. Simoncini has described.


If memory serves me, Mr. Bradley is a long-ago post about various kinds 
of vitamin C described a mix of C and ordinary baking soda.I 
believe the posting recommended ordinary ascorbic acid.


This combination makes the C easy on the digestive system and, he said, 
greatly increased biological uptake of the vitamin.


This simple information has to be among the best  "finds" on this list. 
It would be very good luck if the mixture retains the benefits of 
the sodium carbonate therapy Dr. Simoncini has reported.


I had the message about the C/carbonate flagged in my folder and cannot 
seem to locate it now.  If anyone can help out by reposting that, I'm 
sure it would be very welcome.

















On Saturday, Aug 29, 2009, at 06:12 Asia/Tokyo, paul catania wrote:


Dear Brooks Bradley,
   Thank you so much for your kind concern 
and good wishes. I will definitely look into Dr Simoncini's protocols. 
I just got back from the hospital and the Dr.'s give him 2 to 3 
months, so time is not on his side.

Sincerely,
Paul Catania
 
 
 
- Original Message -

From: Brooks Bradley
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: [RE]CS>MMS ENCAPSULATION: COMMENT

Dear Paul,
Your anxiety over your friend's well-being is understandable.
and commendable.I extend my bestgenuinely heartfelt, wishes 
for his complete recovery. I have a suggestion which might prove to be 
of genuine value in
your searches for effective modalities for his presenting carcinoma. 
My personal
investigations of Dr. Tullio Simoncini have resulted in an INCREASING 
respect for his
demonstrated results.and the freedom from any, detectable, 
toxic/debilitating side-effects resulting from his basic protocol 
address. Naturally, the allopathic community, following the urgings of 
the reigning Pharmaceutical Interests'.has studiously, avoided 
giving any measurable credence
to Dr. Simoncini's very COMPELLING results, achieved over the 
immediately-past 15 years.
It appears self-evident that there is little incentive for them to 
espouse a protocol (at least among the conventional medical 
environments) which appears both effective AND ASTONISHINGLY 
ECONOMICAL.
A most interesting characteristic of Dr. Simoncini's protocol is 
that...in many casesthe afflicted person can APPLY THE PROTOCOL TO 
THEMSELVESat home. The spectrum of effectiveness (most carcinomas) 
seems to be

exceptionally encompassing.
Based upon the possibility you may have some interest in Dr. 
Simoncini's methodology.I am sending you the url for his website 
via a separate
email (this because, many times, mail systems see, particular urls as 
Spam).

I encourage you to view the U-tube videos on the site.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s. I am NOT recommending any treatment or approach as better than 
any otheror even to be effective. My goal is, simply, to encourage 
"vigorous, independent research"...especially considering the POWERFUL 
EFFORTS expended to prevent the general public informing themselves of 
possible protocols for delivering them from

devastatingeven terminalcircumstances.






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Subject : CS>MMS ENCAPSULATION

Date : Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:37:08 -0700

From : "paul catania" 

To : 



Hello all,

I'd like to throw out an idea to all of you and would appreciate any 
and all feed-back.


I recently posted about a friend of mine being diagnosed (3 days ago) 
with Lung and Brain cancer, which is now spreading. Dr.'s say he is 
beyond Chemo but they are going to try radiation to shrink the brain 
tumors in order to restore functionality to his right leg (which is 
numb and he cannot move).


I was thinking of MMS, but I know he is not the best patient and so I 
was wondering if it would be feasable or even possible to do the 
following:




1) Disolve 12 tablespoons of lecithin granules in 60 ounces of 
distilled water.


2) Activate 150 drops of MMS with the juice of a whole lemon, in the 
usual 3 minute way, then add 4 ounces of water to the activated MMS.


3) Pour both solutions into the large UC and run for six 2-minute 
cycles.


4) Add 4 drops of DMSO either before encapsulation, or after?



Would the MMS be encapsulated?

And, if so, would the side effects from the MMS be diminished or 
nullified?


Would the addition of the DMSO intensify the benefits, or might it 
form detrimental compounds (in other words, should I leave it out, to 
be on the safe side)?




I realize that this is all speculation, but I wanted to brainstorm in 
order to best give my friend at least a fighting chance.


Thanks, Paul

p.s. I was thinking maybe 6 ounces in the a.m. and 6 ounces in the 
p.m.?


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CS>ORP, H202, and Ozonated Water

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I'm doing a bit of reading about this topic (ORP, H202, and Ozonated  
Water).


Interestingly, ozonated water is said to have a very highly negative  
(beneficial) ORP, whereas H202 is highly oxidative and as a highly  
positive ORP value.


Here's some online reading that may be useful:

http://h-minus-ion.vpinf.com/ORP-and-correlation-with-reducing- 
action.html


Also this:

http://www.askahealer.com/phbalance.htm

Ode has implied that nebulized ozonated water might have a harmful  
effect on the lungs, as I think H202 would likely have.   I wonder if  
this is correct.  Much to learn about this topic;  useful comments  
from experts most welcome.






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Re: [RE]CS>periodontal (gum) disease

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Thank you, sir.  Have you used the O3 at all?Have others?  I'm 
ambivalent about the claimed merits of the oxygen therapies, except for 
the proven ones, such as the oxygen chambers for "the bends" and 
immediate post-stroke therapies.



On Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009, at 20:56 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:



H2O2  ...O3
  Both are similar oxidizers using the same principle, an extra Oxygen 
atom looking for a partner to become O2.

Either one will burn your socks off in a high enough concentration.

Ode



At 12:27 PM 7/7/2009 +0900, you wrote:
P.S.If ozonated water reacts with pathogens in a manner similar 
to H202, then this method would,  in my opinion be potentially 
dangerous, as would nebulizing H202 itself.


 If ozonated water does NOT react in this manner, the concept may be 
worth a closer look.





On Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009, at 10:52 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten 
wrote:




Again, this is pure speculation, and it's obvious to anyone with 
half a brain that unstable oxygen in liquid could not possibly 
perform identically to gaseous oxygen as a carrier of EIS.



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Re: [RE]CS>periodontal (gum) disease

[Jonathan B. Britten]

P.S.  	If ozonated water reacts with pathogens in a manner similar to 
H202, then this method would,  in my opinion be potentially dangerous, 
as would nebulizing H202 itself.


 If ozonated water does NOT react in this manner, the concept may be 
worth a closer look.





On Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009, at 10:52 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:



Again, this is pure speculation, and it's obvious to anyone with half 
a brain that unstable oxygen in liquid could not possibly perform 
identically to gaseous oxygen as a carrier of EIS.



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Re: [RE]CS>periodontal (gum) disease

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Dear Bradley Sensei,

I wonder whether ozonated water, as from the SOTA WOZ device, might 
possibly substitute  for H202.  I have no experience of ozonated water, 
and wonder whether you have any ideas about this.   I have read that 
ozonated water tastes like H202;  does it react with pathogens in the 
same way?


I have another speculative notion, which I'll pose as a question:  
Could persons unable or unwilling to set up the Harbor Freight 
oxygen/EIS nebulizing device ( as you described in great detail long 
ago)  possibly do the following instead?


1)	Make EIS,  using methods well known to members on this list, using a 
home generator.


2)	Saturate the EIS solution with ozone using a device such as that 
sold by SOTA.


3)	Nebulize the ozonated EIS using a common portable nebulizer such as 
the Omron device.


Again, this is pure speculation, and it's obvious to anyone with half a 
brain that unstable oxygen in liquid could not possibly perform 
identically to gaseous oxygen as a carrier of EIS.


Nevertheless, this protocol might be MUCH more practical for many 
experimenters, and if it worked even moderately well, could save lives 
in event of serious lung insults.


Your comments would be most welcome.




On Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009, at 09:15 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:


Dear Ken,
There are a number of protocols which have demonstrated quite powerful 
effect against periodontal disease...sodium perborate (liberated H202 
is the actual effective agent) was used, quite effectively---as long 
ago as 1930s. There are numerous, simple, protocols leveraging off of 
H2O2...which have proved most effective for addressing most all of the 
anaerobic forms causing this distressing challenge. One quite simple 
protocol which we employed, repeatedly, among a sizable volunteer 
group during the early 1990s included: 1. gently brushing the teeth
with a SOFT BRISTLE toothbrush for about 15 seconds (light bleeding is 
quite common and proved to be quite harmless). 2. Rinsing the mouth 
with clean tap or distilled water. 3. Using a mixture of 3.5% H202 
(common drugstore variety) at
90% volume with DMSO (full strength) at 10% volume of the complete 
mixture-swish about one tablespoon in the mouth for approximately 
30 secondsor until the amount of foam-forming is so great as to 
require expectorationand spit the entire solution out. 4. Rised 
mouth with clear water for about 5 seconds and REPEATED protocol 
segment Number 3., except DID N0T rinse the mouth with water or other 
liquid for 5 minutes after this last step.
Repeated three times daily (after meals, was preferable), this simple 
protocol successfully eliminated over 90% of ALL of the periodontal 
insults of a bacterial originwithin 7 to 9 days.
Step 5. From calendar year 1995 onward, the introduction of 10 to 15 
ppm colloidal silver ( 95% by volume) and DMSO full strength (5% by 
volume) as a final rinse (about 15 seconds), shortened the recovery to 
an average of 5 days.
Our collective opinion is that it is ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL to purposely 
keep the knowledge of such simple, powerful and ECONOMICAL protocols 
from the general population.
Do remember all of my stated protocols are EXPERIMENTAL in nature and 
designed to be used by OTHER EXPERIMENTAL medical researchers and DO 
NOT constitute ANY form of

medical practice---OR ADVICE.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley







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Subject : CS>periodontal (gum) disease

Date : Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:16:44 -0700 (PDT)

From : Ken & Nancy Bagwell 

To : silver-list@eskimo.com



Anyone have experience reversing gum disease using CS in some way, or 
anything else?




I just called a local dentist who uses one of the latest laser 
techniques to eliminate the problem (as opposed to surgery), but it 
costs $5000.




-Ken Bagwell





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Re: CS>(LL) Large cavity in a molar.

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Emergency filling material is available from camping supply shops I 
think.  Try REI.   It's a handy thing to have when traveling also.




On Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009, at 06:26 Asia/Tokyo, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:

  Also does anyone know of anything to use to fill a tooth cavity ??? 
JB Weld, epoxy,    { I know super glue works to hold a crown 
on a tooth .} 



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Re: CS>Vit. D 3 'hype'

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I've read that some babies in Australia have shown symptoms or rickets 
due to this concern about the sun.



On Sunday, Jul 5, 2009, at 04:26 Asia/Tokyo, Annie B Smythe wrote:

 And another factor in the equation is that a lot of people are 
staying out of the sun deliberately; they slather themselves with UV 
blocking sunscreens, or wear covering clothing, when they are outdoors 
in the sun, because of the skin cancer scare.



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Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider, What is Important

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Or touch a cracked cable.  Yikes.


On Saturday, Jul 4, 2009, at 23:16 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:


  A 12 volt car battery is not a strong shock.
 A car "coil"..IS.
..pull a plug wire and dance baby dance.
at over 20,000 volts

Ode



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CS>Climate Engineering

[Jonathan B. Britten]

List,

This is off-topic, except for the very speculative concerns some have 
about bacteria being in "chem-trails," said bacteria possibly being 
countered by EIS.


http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200907/climate-engineering

My own view has long been that these trails are geo-engineering 
experiments.


The linked essay gives an overview of the issue, from the perspective 
of an author who evidently believes he is discussing a hypothetical 
scenario, rather than an ongoing experiment.





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Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I'm sure many members would be glad to hear details about the merits of 
the Colloid Master.Could you provide some?   What makes it better 
than others, in your view?


Also, have you used the distiller the company offers in a package deal?




On Monday, Jun 29, 2009, at 01:59 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

Oh no you don't, I have see, used, tested, sent back several of the so 
called top CS makers including the over rated Silver Puppy. I have 
been at this for over 40 years. My Dad and Grandfather long before 
that.


Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

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From: Dee Fitzpatrick 
Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 2:50 AM


I think that you should say that this is just your opinion Tel, 
because there are others which are just as good, so that would be 
misleading.  In my opinion, the one I have is the best, and I'm sure 
there are others with other makes who think theirs are the best too.  
Dee



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Re: CS>CS Website and .05 Generator

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Trem is the one to reply to this in detail, but I it's the SG6 that has 
the stirrer (I have an old model, in which the stirrer doesn't stop 
though the current does).The SG7 claims reverse-current eliminates 
need for stirring I think.




On Friday, Jun 5, 2009, at 01:40 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:

In fact looking at the picture it does not even appear to have a 
stirrer, which would make it actually a step backwards from competing 
units such as the SG7.



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Re: CS>Del-Immune V : Research Commentary

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Experts in bioterrorism also strongly promote Beta Glucan for uses 
identical to those you site in your message, Brooks.   I'm sure you are 
aware of this, but others may not be.   A comparison to Beta Glucan 
might be useful in your continuing studies.   There's a great deal of 
documentation about its effects, and the price is very, very modest, 
with plenty of competition from various sellers.





On Wednesday, May 27, 2009, at 08:57 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:

   I am not endorsing or promoting this product.  I only refer to it 
because it seems to be the better from among the current probiotic 
suppliers of this type of substance.  Our, particular efforts are 
concentrating on a single probiotic, namely lactobacillus
rhamnosus.The Del_Immune product appears to contain multiple 
components. As our research progresses I will attempt to keep the 
membership posted on our results-positive or negative.



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Re: CS>New here

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Colloidal Master has a very attractive price on a full setup including 
a distiller, but ships that only to the USA, as I recall, so you'd need 
to find a reshipper.One member on this list has spoken well of the 
generator;  I find the website information about it a bit thin on 
details.  It does not have any kind of stirrer, but claims that the 
method of generation eliminates the need for mechanical stirring.



On Wednesday, May 27, 2009, at 07:58 Asia/Tokyo, Golden Aldi wrote:


Hello,

My name is Aldona, I'm still 48 :-), american, but having been living 
here in Germany since my marriage to a german man, 30 yrs. ago.


I'm a bit familiar with CS. First time I ever heard of it was back in 
2000. Never really used it until about a yr. ago, when a holistic vet 
sold me some for the skin problems my Sheltie was having. I'm not 
quite sure if his batch was all that great, but I keep on reading 
these past few days on another list, how wonderful this stuff is, and 
one could even make it themselves.


That's where I am. I want to make some myself. I'm interested in 
buying a generator, and need to be sure I can plug it into a 220 
outlet. There's one that has been recommended. Colloidal Master, but 
an extra $40 for the Universal seems like alot. We have a few extra 
plug in transformers that would surely fit this generator. My husband 
says it would work, but I have my doubts, since I'm not that 
knowledgable in electronics.


Which generator would you recommend? I plan on using it on the whole 
family, plus pets, so I'll be making alot, so I figure.


Aldona



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Re: CS>Use of high ppm CS

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Did you post information about making silver citrate?If not, could 
you do so?


On Friday, May 22, 2009, at 03:18 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote:

I made the original post and I made my own silver citrate. 



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Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma

[Jonathan B. Britten]

There have been several versions of Cancema tonic and capsules for 
internal use.


The latest uses graviola.

The products are available from altcancer.com, now based outside the 
USA.   I am not sure which can and can't be sold in the USA.







On Tuesday, May 19, 2009, at 13:25 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Vale wrote:

Sureyou do not want to put the cansema on the Prostate.  Greg did 
recommend taking the Cansema internally.  The FDA confiscated all of 
my apricot seed and Cansema when they raided my house by the way.  
That means the stuff works...  Where are you still getting a supply of 
Cansema.  I know it is not made anymore and anything out there is over 
5 years old.

 
Jason






From: hj 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:48:55 PM
Subject: Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma

Thank you for your concern, Jonathan. We will not take
Cansema internally, but rather apply it externally over the
prostate area, as described in one of the testimonials on
the altcancer.com site.

Heidi

At 08:37 PM 5/18/2009, you wrote:
>Altcancer has never recommended use of Cancema for internal cancers.
>
>One testimonial, with photos, indicated (extremely painful) success
>on oral cancer.    The user had powerful painkillers courtesy of a
>sympathetic MD.  He also had MD supervision.
>
>With all due respect, I cannot fathom use of Cancema for prostate
>cancer.    I very much doubt the company would recommend this.
>
>There are internal formulas available.  Cancema is for skin cancer.
>
>It would be a good idea to consult with the company.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Saturday, May 16, 2009, at 23:17 Asia/Tokyo, hj wrote:
>
>>We just treated a couple of basil cell carcinomas on my husband's 
leg with

>>Cansema, and wow! This stuff is amazing. One application over night,
>>and one could notice in the morning that it started to work on the 
cancer.
>>The edges started to turn white. After a couple of days, the whole 
things
>>looked dead. They fell out after about two weeks. The spots are now 
nicely
>>healed over, just a small scar left. One of them was like a huge 
pimple,

>>and is now totally flat.
>>
>>We've tried the salve from BestOnEarthProducts.com before, but after
>>a few applications gave up. No reaction whatsoever. One application 
of

>>the altcancer.com stuff, and voila!
>>
>>We're gonna try it on my husband's prostate cancer next, although 
Oleander
>>Soup might already have gotten rid of that, as a recent Pet/CT scan 
came
>>out negative. But we believe it might be too small to show up. 
According to
>>the biopsy it was only a small spot, but with gleason 8, so 
aggressive. At

>>least it hasn't spread yet. We'll see whether he'll get a reaction
>>from Cansema...
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Heidi
>>
>>At 09:14 AM 5/16/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>Hi Diane,
>>The website Jonathan mentioned is really interesting. The only
>>deterrent to using the salve is that it appears to be fairly
>>painful. I have read that skin cancers can be removed by applying
>>7% Lugol's Iodine 10 to 20 times a day. They do sell it at that
>>website. I found a page to some other info I will post. Good luck 
for your mom!

>>Paula
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Dianne France
>>To: silver-list
>>Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:59 PM
>>Subject: RE: CS>squamous cell carcinoma
>>
>>Paula
>>
>>My Mother was just diagnosed with the same cancer, it is inside her
>>ear.  She is 84 yrs old.
>>I will be checking the web ite Jonathan sent also.
>>
>>Dianne
>>
>> > From: p...@zoomnet.net
>> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> > Subject: Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma
>> > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:31:00 -0400
>> >
>> > Thanks Jonathan. I will,
>> > Paula
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:49 AM
>> > Subject: Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma
>> >
>> >
>> > Check altcancer.com
>> >
>> > The testimonials for Cancema salve are remarkable.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, May 14, 2009, at 21:56 Asia/Tokyo, Paula Perry wrote:
>> >
>> > > My husband had a biopsy last week and just got the results back 
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Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma

[Jonathan B. Britten]

You're very welcome, and thanks for the clarification.

If you by chance have the URL to the testimonial, I'd be curious to 
read that.


Ingrid Naiman's book, Cancer Salves, makes several references to salves 
applied externally to "draw out" internal cancers.   These are 
remarkable properties indeed.   There are photographs in her book of 
breast cancer tumors expelled in this way, leaving at the end a 
perfectly normal breast, without even scar tissue.


I know altcancer would appreciate photo testimonials of any and all 
successes.   There's one image on the site that is simply staggering:  
a last-stage metastatic melanoma on the neck, externally a mere spot, 
but internally metastasized.


Applications of Cancema resulted in gradual expulsion of something the 
size of a grapefruit and resembling a Hollywood special effects 
monstrosity of some sort.The man claimed total remission.  (If I 
remember correctly he continued with "standard" treatments as well.)








On Tuesday, May 19, 2009, at 10:48 Asia/Tokyo, hj wrote:


Thank you for your concern, Jonathan. We will not take
Cansema internally, but rather apply it externally over the
prostate area, as described in one of the testimonials on
the altcancer.com site.

Heidi

At 08:37 PM 5/18/2009, you wrote:

Altcancer has never recommended use of Cancema for internal cancers.

One testimonial, with photos, indicated (extremely painful) success 
on oral cancer.The user had powerful painkillers courtesy of a 
sympathetic MD.  He also had MD supervision.


With all due respect, I cannot fathom use of Cancema for prostate 
cancer.I very much doubt the company would recommend this.


There are internal formulas available.   Cancema is for skin cancer.

It would be a good idea to consult with the company.






On Saturday, May 16, 2009, at 23:17 Asia/Tokyo, hj wrote:

We just treated a couple of basil cell carcinomas on my husband's 
leg with

Cansema, and wow! This stuff is amazing. One application over night,
and one could notice in the morning that it started to work on the 
cancer.
The edges started to turn white. After a couple of days, the whole 
things
looked dead. They fell out after about two weeks. The spots are now 
nicely
healed over, just a small scar left. One of them was like a huge 
pimple,

and is now totally flat.

We've tried the salve from BestOnEarthProducts.com before, but after
a few applications gave up. No reaction whatsoever. One application 
of

the altcancer.com stuff, and voila!

We're gonna try it on my husband's prostate cancer next, although 
Oleander
Soup might already have gotten rid of that, as a recent Pet/CT scan 
came
out negative. But we believe it might be too small to show up. 
According to
the biopsy it was only a small spot, but with gleason 8, so 
aggressive. At
least it hasn't spread yet. We'll see whether he'll get a reaction 
from Cansema...


Best,

Heidi

At 09:14 AM 5/16/2009, you wrote:

Hi Diane,
The website Jonathan mentioned is really interesting. The only 
deterrent to using the salve is that it appears to be fairly 
painful. I have read that skin cancers can be removed by applying 7% 
Lugol's Iodine 10 to 20 times a day. They do sell it at that 
website. I found a page to some other info I will post. Good luck 
for your mom!

Paula

- Original Message -
From: Dianne France
To: silver-list
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: RE: CS>squamous cell carcinoma

Paula

My Mother was just diagnosed with the same cancer, it is inside her 
ear.  She is 84 yrs old.

I will be checking the web ite Jonathan sent also.

Dianne

> From: p...@zoomnet.net
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:31:00 -0400
>
> Thanks Jonathan. I will,
> Paula
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma
>
>
> Check altcancer.com
>
> The testimonials for Cancema salve are remarkable.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Altcancer has never recommended use of Cancema for internal cancers.

One testimonial, with photos, indicated (extremely painful) success on 
oral cancer.The user had powerful painkillers courtesy of a 
sympathetic MD.  He also had MD supervision.


With all due respect, I cannot fathom use of Cancema for prostate 
cancer.I very much doubt the company would recommend this.


There are internal formulas available.   Cancema is for skin cancer.

It would be a good idea to consult with the company.






On Saturday, May 16, 2009, at 23:17 Asia/Tokyo, hj wrote:

We just treated a couple of basil cell carcinomas on my husband's leg 
with

Cansema, and wow! This stuff is amazing. One application over night,
and one could notice in the morning that it started to work on the 
cancer.
The edges started to turn white. After a couple of days, the whole 
things
looked dead. They fell out after about two weeks. The spots are now 
nicely
healed over, just a small scar left. One of them was like a huge 
pimple,

and is now totally flat.

We've tried the salve from BestOnEarthProducts.com before, but after
a few applications gave up. No reaction whatsoever. One application of
the altcancer.com stuff, and voila!

We're gonna try it on my husband's prostate cancer next, although 
Oleander
Soup might already have gotten rid of that, as a recent Pet/CT scan 
came
out negative. But we believe it might be too small to show up. 
According to
the biopsy it was only a small spot, but with gleason 8, so 
aggressive. At
least it hasn't spread yet. We'll see whether he'll get a reaction 
from Cansema...


Best,

Heidi

At 09:14 AM 5/16/2009, you wrote:

Hi Diane,
The website Jonathan mentioned is really interesting. The only 
deterrent to using the salve is that it appears to be fairly painful. 
I have read that skin cancers can be removed by applying 7% Lugol's 
Iodine 10 to 20 times a day. They do sell it at that website. I found 
a page to some other info I will post. Good luck for your mom!

Paula

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From: Dianne France
To: silver-list
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: RE: CS>squamous cell carcinoma

Paula
 
My Mother was just diagnosed with the same cancer, it is inside her 
ear.  She is 84 yrs old.

I will be checking the web ite Jonathan sent also.
 
Dianne
 
> From: p...@zoomnet.net
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> Subject: Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:31:00 -0400
>
> Thanks Jonathan. I will,
> Paula
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> To: 
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> Subject: Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma
>
>
> Check altcancer.com
>
> The testimonials for Cancema salve are remarkable.
>
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>
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>
> > My husband had a biopsy last week and just got the results back 
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Re: CS>squamous cell carcinoma

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Check altcancer.com

The testimonials for Cancema salve are remarkable.





On Thursday, May 14, 2009, at 21:56 Asia/Tokyo, Paula Perry wrote:

My husband had a biopsy last week and just got the results back for a 
growth that he has on his neck. It is a skin cancer. I was doing some 
reading on it and it said that this type of cancer can spread through 
the blood. He had Hodgkins Lymphoma 5 years ago. Has anyone had 
experience with this? Can anyone recommend a salve or other 
treatiment?  I am worried that surgery might spread it.

Thank,
Paula



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Re: CS>Cheerios is a drug - OT - one can only hope!

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Life Extension Foundation (lef.org) has won landmark court cases 
against the FDA, on First Amendment Grounds.


Supporting LEF is a good way to protect our right to accurate 
information.Membership is worth every penny.







On Thursday, May 14, 2009, at 21:57 Asia/Tokyo, Thora Rasmussen wrote:

I'm hoping the FDA pushes this really hard, because it's about time 
the FDA

is stopped, and going after a huge company with lots of money and the
support of the agricultural industry will have a good chance of finally
putting an end to the insanity that the FDA does.  They sometimes 
appear to

only have big pharma's interests at heart, and pretty much refuse to
recognize food has health benefits.  It's about time that that 
attitude is

squashed, once and for all.

Thora

-Original Message-
From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Cheerios is a drug - OT - one can only hope!

Could the FDA actually be making fun of itself?  I mean on purpose??

Is there some subterranean weirdo in their public affairs dept. who is
sabotaging the organisation on the sly?  How can we help?

On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 09:55 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:




LOL
I wonder if Cheerios will be covered by my prescription insurance?

 - Steve N

Popular cereal is a drug, US food watchdog says Popular US breakfast
cereal Cheerios is a drug, at least if the claims made on the label by
its manufacturer General Mills are anything to go by, the US Food and
Drug Administration (FDA) has said.

"Based on claims made on your product's label, we have determined that
your Cheerios Toasted Whole Grain Oat Cereal is promoted for
conditions that cause it to be a drug," the FDA said in a letter to
General Mills which was posted on the federal agency's website
Tuesday.

Cheerios labels claim that eating the cereal can help lower bad
cholesterol, a risk factor for coronary heart disease, by four percent
in six weeks.

Citing a clinical study, the product labels also claim that eating two
servings a day of Cheerios helps to reduce bad cholesterol when eaten
as part of a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol, the FDA letter
says.

Those claims indicate that Cheerios -- said by General Mills to be the
best-selling cereal in the United States -- is intended to be used to
lower cholesterol and prevent, lessen or treat the disease
hypercholesterolemia, and to treat and prevent coronary heart disease.

"Because of these intended uses, the product is a drug," the FDA
concluded in its letter.
Not only that, but Cheerios is a new drug because it has not been
"recognized as safe and effective for use in preventing or treating
hypercholesterolemia or coronary heart disease," the FDA said.

That means General Mills may not legally market Cheerios unless it
applies for approval as a new drug or changes the way it labels the
small, doughnut-shaped cereal, the FDA said.

General Mills defended the claims on Cheerios packaging, saying in a
statement that Cheerios' soluble fiber heart health claim has been
FDA-approved for 12 years, and that its "lower your cholesterol four
percent in six weeks" message has been featured on the box for more
than two years.

The FDA's quibble is not about whether Cheerios cereal is good for you
but over "how the Cheerios cholesterol-lowering information is
presented on the Cheerios package and website," said General Mills.

"We look forward to discussing this with FDA and to reaching a
resolution."




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Re: CS>colloidal vs. ionic silver

[Jonathan B. Britten]

One interesting claim by Ode:  that some studies show that even lower 
concentrations -- 3% I think -- are dramatically more effective than 
higher.   He once sent me a link to the information that resolved to a 
page describing a very interesting outdoor/ survival mult-tool  with an 
axe, knife, compass, etc.   (I would like to have one, actually, but 
lost the link.)Back on track:  any links to data about the lower 
concentrations would be helpful.Why spend time (many hours for a 
good constant current unit) to make a ppm that is less effective?







On Monday, May 4, 2009, at 03:11 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:


A low concentration (~5-10 ppm), mixed ionic/colloidal silver
preparation like we advocate, will drown you from excessive water
intake long before you can ingest enough silver to cause argyria, at
least as far as experience has shown so far.



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Re: CS>Show and tell

[Jonathan B. Britten]

This is very interesting, especially in light of the growing acceptance 
of "medical marijuana" in California.It would be good to know if 
there are any peer-reviewed studies to support this useful anecdote.   
It would also be good to know if any everywhere-legal derivatives are 
available.   Homeopathic THC?   Would that be the efficacious 
component?As so much is suppressed, any data would be welcome.





On Sunday, May 3, 2009, at 18:53 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:

I've SEEN just a couple of tokes almost instantly clean up a 
congestive cough bad enough to turn that person blue for 3 days and 3 
sleepless nights from lack of air when literally NOTHING else 
worked...and we did try every legal everything, even the opiates.

One little "bud" stays in my medicine chest...you betcher boots.



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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Regarding the swine flu issue:  there are a few fine, thoughtful 
articles about the probable links to factory farming, which encourages 
extremely rapid viral mutation.Factory farming (or ranching I 
suppose)  is a more plausible explanation for strange bird/pig viruses 
than weapons lab work, though the latter is hardly implausible.   The 
facts as I read them  don't provide any evidence of that, however.


For a good read, see Wm. Engdahl's recent article, and also the 
excellent Johann Hari.   I think both articles may be at 
informationclearinghouse.info.If not a Google search should turn 
both up quickly; they are very recent.   Both mention the world's 
largest pig ranch, American owned, in Mexico, where the "flu" first 
emerged.


Hari may well be right that our craving for cheap meat will lead to a 
devastating pandemic, and proper regulation is essential.   The growth 
of these huge factories is quite recent, within the past 20 years, and 
can be done away with if only legislators would not sell out, as most 
do.









On Sunday, May 3, 2009, at 14:17 Asia/Tokyo, Clayton Family wrote:


Dear Mike,

It's your list, so whatever rules you want you get.

As a formerly trained scientist (even if I don't get to play in that 
sand box anymore) this sort of fearmongering (culling the herd, etc) 
really sets my last nerve on fire.  We are all way too dumb to even 
make that necessary. I am speaking of the human race here, nothing 
personal for anyone to take offense at.   We may just all bomb 
ourselves into oblivion before anyone else has the chance to do any 
culling. My opinion.


There are so many worthwhile things that threaten us that focusing 
attention on this sort of thing dilutes legitimate discussion. It 
distracts attention that could rightly go to other really important 
issues. Issues that we stand a real chance of protecting ourselves and 
our families from if we have a head's up.


Like whether or not the swine flu is a 1918 type of flu, for example. 
Jury is still out on that. That is just one small example. The economy 
and what we can be doing right now to help protect ourselves; the list 
goes on and on.


I realize the irony of my having pointed attention to it instead of 
letting it go.  It would have just slipped under the radar if I had 
not said anything, probably; or maybe it would have become yet another 
round of crazy stuff. Fine for somebody's sci-fi shelf, but for a what 
I had considered an experimental science list?


Maybe because things are so uncertain Out There right now we are more 
willing to suspend disbelief, and some of us (ie: me) are more on 
edge. Sigh;  like I need an edge to go over- "what edge- is there an 
edge there   (yhh..thunk)"  .


I'm happy you at least saw that I was trying to resolve it.

Best Wishes,

Kathryn

PS- If you think this is suitable for listreading, you can send it on.

On May 2, 2009, at 3:38 PM, M. G. Devour wrote:


Just to remind everybody of a few things...

Karen wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the post [about swine flue as evil plot], 
magnets

have nothing to do with CS either but no one has said anything about
those...


Yes, I allow, even encourage, other health-related questions to be
asked and answers given, so long as anything not CS-related gets
covered more briefly. Magnets are okay, so long as they don't stick
around too long. 

Why be so loose with the topic? Because we always have and always will
*get* those kinds of questions anyway, and a *lot* of good help and
useful information usually results. I've been criticized for this by
some people, but I think it contributes a great deal to the group's
sense of community.

This is an important topic, and whether or not it is true will be 
seen

in the next few months, there is no reason to ever be rude.


Indeed, there is never reason to be rude.

Rense is generally thought of as a fairly speculative information
source -- some would characterize him as fringe -- but I would not 
have

jumped on Paula for posting this and other such links OCCASIONALLY, as
long as everybody understands that any discussion of the controversial
aspects of them are carried out on the OT list.

The difference between Paula's message and, for instance, Aaron's
comments that I remarked on just yesterday, was that Paula was only
giving a brief description of the content, and not a lengthy discourse
or speculation.

Part of the diversity that I expect everyone to tolerate is that some
folks here believe things that you find a bit of a stretch... sorta
like how your snotty brother-in-law (or pick your other favorite
annoying person) thinks about *YOU* and that stupid colloidal silver
stuff that you're always prattling on about... 

We know that not everything we're reading, mainstream or alternative,
is true or paints a complete picture. We're all adults capable of
discernment. I'm willing to allow a bit of... variety, so long as
discussion of politics and other controversy stay

Re: [RE]CS>Teeth whitening:COMMENT

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Dear Brooks,

Thanks as always.

In regard to light therapy, list members may want to read this amazing  
book by J. Lieberman:


http://www.amazon.com/Light-Medicine-Future-Heal-Ourselves/dp/ 
1879181010/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240471296&sr=8-1


Regrettably, there's apparently been no follow-up since it was  
published in 1990.   That's a pity.


Your protocol suggests that the LED (white?  red?  other?)  has an  
effect on pathogens.   That's very interesting indeed.   I think you've  
probably mentioned the best colors/frequencies in past, but if you  
could update us, that would be very helpful.


Thanks again, Brooks Sensei!






On Thursday, Apr 23, 2009, at 11:59 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:


Dear Jonathan,
There are a couple of additional protocols which we used to good  
effect...
in dealing with tooth infectionsmost especially low-grade ones.  
Quite acceptable results were achieved with an ancillary protocol  
using a simple laser pointer or---even better---a compact 6 element  
LED assembly; which was focused directly on the base of the insulted  
tooth (focus was much more important with the laser pointer). Better  
effect was achieved whenever the principal infection field appeared on  
the inside of any affected jaw tooth. Understandable when considering  
the difficulty of gaining clear-field access to the outside areas of  
the jaw teeth. This said, the determined researchers managed to  
achieve rather remarkable effects through some of the more inventive  
methods of retaining the lip (especially the upper one) in a manner  
allowing light access to the outside areas of some of the jaw  
teethespecially for the laser pointer. Four to 5 minute exposure  
intervals seem to yield nearly as good results.as did longer  
exposures.
Additionally, we did achieve useful, measurable, results through the  
use of both magnetic pulsing devices and low-current...direct contact  
devices such as a TENS unit (almost any of the low-current devices  
popular for this type protocol, should produce similar effect). While  
we have achieved splendid results using Rife Technologyfor a very  
wide range of insults.I would not encourage list individuals  
(unless they possess considerable discretionary funding)
to under-take the purchase or construction of a "full-blown" Rife-Type  
Generator, because of the high attendant cost (about $2000. for a  
truly acceptable "plasma-type" device. The contact-type Rife devices  
are effective, but not nearly soas are the plasma-based units. At  
least that has been our experience over the immediately-past 15 years.
You are correct in your assumption that I am familiar with the work of  
Dr. Weston Price. I have long been an admirer of his workwhich  
displayed both ingenuity and great dedication. The evidence for his  
case of dietary effects on oral health appears indisputable-to me.  
Best Regards, Brooks.
P.S. DMSO did exist at the time Dr. Price conducted his  
research.but was not widely employed in any large commercial  
activity..and CERTAINLY NOT in any medical-related  
enterpriseat least of which I am aware.









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Subject : Re: [RE]CS>Teeth whitening

Date : Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:51:01 +0900

From : "Jonathan B. Britten" 

To : silver-list@eskimo.com



Thanks for this information, Bob. Theoretically the SOTA magnetic

pulser should also work for this application, though whether it really

does is hard to say. One can't can't inside the dentin to check,

after all. Even if symptoms are gone, one can't be sure the

underlying problem is gone.



The theoretical advantage of the magnetic pulser is that the magnetic

energy penetrates deeply, supposedly sending microcurrents of

electricity perpendicular to the magnetic wave.



I've read about the device you mention several times on this list, but

haven't used it. One you use your device, do you put the sponges

directly on the tooth, front and back, or on the gum tissue above the

tooth?



BTW, avoiding a root canal and dealing with tubule infection after one

might not be quite the same. I'd be interested to hear other

anecdotes as well, particularly post root-canal.



I recall there's been quite a lot on this list about the topic. Nina

Sylver mentioned Rife technology as one method that supposedly works.



Thanks again.









On Wednesday, Apr 22, 2009, at 13:42 Asia/Tokyo, Bob Banever wrote:



> Jonathan,

>

> In case you aren't aware, you can pretty much sterilize the

> inside tubules of any tooth and root by using direct DC current at a

> low 3 - 6 volts (some claim you only need 1.5 volts). There is a

> device called the Godzilla that achieves this with the use of

> batteries, some wire, a sponge, and rubber bands. Go to

> microelectricitygermkiller grou

Re: CS>Re: Teeth whitening/root canal infection

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Claire,

Root canal work is very common, so there are probably many of us in the 
same leaky boat.Thanks for the tips.  I've also used OoO with 
excellent results, and want eventually to include capsules in my health 
regimen.



On Wednesday, Apr 22, 2009, at 22:30 Asia/Tokyo, cla...@jazznsamba.com 
wrote:



Jonathan,
FWIW, I've been dealing with this very thing for the past week. I used 
Oil
of Oregano and Thieves Young Living Essential Oil (which is mostly 
clove

oil) with CS + DMSO, and rinsing with Brooks' tooth-whitening 'recipe'
twice daily. It worked very well. This was a very bad infection and is
still present but I'm hoping continued use of this protocol will take 
care
of it. I really don't want to lose this tooth. I look forward to 
Brooks'

comments on this.

Claire
PS And the whitening effect on my teeth is remarkable - many thanks to
Brooks for this.



- Original Message - From: "Jonathan B. Britten"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [RE]CS>Teeth whitening



Dear Brooks,

I wonder whether your research gave any clues as to whether the
mixture described below might penetrate deeply enough into a tooth 
to

have any ameliorating influence on root-canal work.

You're familiar, I'm sure, with the late Dr. Weston Price's 
research,

indicating that the tubules in root-canal teeth can become badly
infected. Price was evidently unable to disinfect such teeth, but
that, of course, does not indicate that it can't be done!   I 
wonder,
for example, whether DMSO was known to Price, or even existed when 
he

did his research.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.



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Re: [RE]CS>Teeth whitening

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Thanks for this information, Bob.   Theoretically the SOTA magnetic 
pulser should also work for this application, though whether it really 
does is hard to say.   One can't can't inside the dentin to check, 
after all.   Even if symptoms are gone, one can't be sure the 
underlying problem is gone.


 The theoretical advantage of the magnetic pulser is that the magnetic 
energy penetrates deeply, supposedly sending microcurrents of 
electricity perpendicular to the magnetic wave.


I've read about the device you mention several times on this list, but 
haven't used it.  One you use your device, do you put the sponges 
directly on the tooth, front and back, or on the gum tissue above the 
tooth?


BTW, avoiding a root canal and dealing with tubule infection after one 
might not be quite the same.   I'd be interested to hear other 
anecdotes as well, particularly post root-canal.


I recall there's been quite a lot on this list about the topic.  Nina 
Sylver mentioned Rife technology as one method that supposedly works.


Thanks again.




On Wednesday, Apr 22, 2009, at 13:42 Asia/Tokyo, Bob Banever wrote:


Jonathan,

  In case you aren't aware, you can pretty much sterilize the 
inside tubules of any tooth and root by using direct DC current at a 
low 3 - 6 volts (some claim you only need 1.5 volts).  There is a 
device called the Godzilla that achieves this with the use of 
batteries, some wire, a sponge, and rubber bands.  Go to 
microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo for more info.  I got rid of 
two bacterial infections in the roots of two teeth using it and 
avoided a root canal both times.   It can be used for other infections 
as well.. sort of an offshoot of the Beck device for blood 
electrification and subsequent neutralization of viral particles.  
Good luck.


Bob
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [RE]CS>Teeth whitening



Dear Brooks,

I wonder whether your research gave any clues as to whether the 
mixture described below might penetrate deeply enough into a tooth to 
have any ameliorating influence on root-canal work.


You're familiar, I'm sure, with the late Dr. Weston Price's research, 
indicating that the tubules in root-canal teeth can become badly 
infected. Price was evidently unable to disinfect such teeth, but 
that, of course, does not indicate that it can't be done!   I wonder, 
for example, whether DMSO was known to Price, or even existed when he 
did his research.


Thanks in advance for your thoughts.



On Tuesday, Apr 14, 2009, at 11:13 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:


Hello Dee,
In answer to your question..We have utilized H202 in 
concentrations beyond 16%for whitening effects on teethwith 
minor, but sometimes irritating effects. In at least 80% of the 
volunteers utilizing 16% H202-tissue-burn was evident by the 
whitened skin surfaces (even though only the outer tissue level was 
involved). In a majority of these cases some discomfort did 
manifestbut no scarring evolved. At 12% the local "heating 
effect" was
noticed by ALL participants, but presented as a distinct irritation 
in only about 20% of these researchers. At 9% none of our volunteers 
experienced any "distinctive discomfort", whatever, but the sudden 
onset warming, momentarily, caused some of them concern. Everyone 
using 6% achieved excellent results and at much higher speedthan 
at 3.5%but I wanted to err on the side of caution.that is 
why I limited my recommendation to the lower concentration. Besides, 
3.5% is very easily obtained from any drug store in the 
U.Shigher concentrations are not nearly as easy to find at the 
more convenient retail outlets.
I might add an explanatory comment that could prove 
usefulSOMETIMES, among a population of persons presenting with 
various stages of gum insults---using even 3.5% 
concentration(many are not even aware of such conditions), do 
experience some rapid-onset stinging discomfort (usually quite 
short-lived).
This condition evolves as a result of the accelerating effects of 
the oxygen's heat-releasing effects upon encountering an anaerobic 
debris-field, or low-grade infectious insults. It is nothing to 
cause major concern, but is, many times, quite unexpected.
If one does choose to employ 9% strength H202, it would be advisable 
to have a glass of plain water handyfor dilution, just in case 
they desire rapid quenching of the oxidation reaction occurring 
within a pronounced anaerobic tissue fieldor even a very tender 
area. If one does, actually, incur the "bleaching effect" (actually, 
the white-appearing tissue is a minor tissue-burn and will require a 
day or two before it sloughs off and is replaced by new tissue), it 
is, as a matter-of-course, usually self-correcting.
I apologize for such a lengthy 

Re: [RE]CS>Teeth whitening

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Dear Brooks,

I wonder whether your research gave any clues as to whether the mixture 
described below might penetrate deeply enough into a tooth to have any 
ameliorating influence on root-canal work.


You're familiar, I'm sure, with the late Dr. Weston Price's research, 
indicating that the tubules in root-canal teeth can become badly 
infected.   Price was evidently unable to disinfect such teeth, but 
that, of course, does not indicate that it can't be done!   I wonder, 
for example, whether DMSO was known to Price, or even existed when he 
did his research.


Thanks in advance for your thoughts.



On Tuesday, Apr 14, 2009, at 11:13 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:


Hello Dee,
In answer to your question..We have utilized H202 in 
concentrations beyond 16%for whitening effects on teethwith 
minor, but sometimes irritating effects. In at least 80% of the 
volunteers utilizing 16% H202-tissue-burn was evident by the 
whitened skin surfaces (even though only the outer tissue level was 
involved). In a majority of these cases some discomfort did 
manifestbut no scarring evolved. At 12% the local "heating effect" 
was
noticed by ALL participants, but presented as a distinct irritation in 
only about 20% of these researchers. At 9% none of our volunteers 
experienced any "distinctive discomfort", whatever, but the sudden 
onset warming, momentarily, caused some of them concern. Everyone 
using 6% achieved excellent results and at much higher speedthan 
at 3.5%but I wanted to err on the side of caution.that is why 
I limited my recommendation to the lower concentration. Besides, 3.5% 
is very easily obtained from any drug store in the U.Shigher 
concentrations are not nearly as easy to find at the more convenient 
retail outlets.
I might add an explanatory comment that could prove 
usefulSOMETIMES, among a population of persons presenting with 
various stages of gum insults---using even 3.5% concentration(many 
are not even aware of such conditions), do experience some rapid-onset 
stinging discomfort (usually quite short-lived).
This condition evolves as a result of the accelerating effects of the 
oxygen's heat-releasing effects upon encountering an anaerobic 
debris-field, or low-grade infectious insults. It is nothing to cause 
major concern, but is, many times, quite unexpected.
If one does choose to employ 9% strength H202, it would be advisable 
to have a glass of plain water handyfor dilution, just in case 
they desire rapid quenching of the oxidation reaction occurring within 
a pronounced anaerobic tissue fieldor even a very tender area. If 
one does, actually, incur the "bleaching effect" (actually, the 
white-appearing tissue is a minor tissue-burn and will require a day 
or two before it sloughs off and is replaced by new tissue), it is, as 
a matter-of-course, usually self-correcting.
I apologize for such a lengthy response...but few individuals among 
the general population appear to possess an adequate knowledge of the 
properties/effects of H202especially at strengths beyond 3.5%.

I hope these comments prove helpful. Sincerely, Brooks.










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Subject : CS>Teeth whitening

Date : Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:43:44 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)

From : "Dee Fitzpatrick" 

To : 



Hi Brookes. I am trying your formula of H202 plus DMSO for teeth 
whitening. The only thing is, over here in the UK the only H202 we can 
get over the counter is 9%. Would I need to dilute this before adding 
the DMSO? Many thanks in advance. Dee


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CS>H30 on Wikipedia

[Jonathan B. Britten]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydronium


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Re: CS>» How To Build Water Ionizer - Homemade Water Ionizer COMMENT

[Jonathan B. Britten]

This looks like valuable information;  thanks for it.

One comment:  the article claims prices of $1,000-$1,300 for a  
store-bought device.Those prices are due to market restrictions,  
methinks.   Good units are available in Japan for under $500, sometimes  
under $300 when on sale.   It's a shame the prices elsewhere are so  
high.   Good, compact counter-top units that are well-designed, safe,  
easy-to-use, and very reliable (mine has worked fine for a decade)  
would be a real boon to consumers in most developed countries.








On Monday, Apr 6, 2009, at 00:04 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:

   We have evaluated a number of water ionizer/alkaline/acid   
generating devices.   This one has demonstrated to be quite  
effective..and simple enough for  almost anyone with a minimum of  
skillsto easily construct.

 Sincerely,   Brooks Bradley.


http://portablewaterionizers.com/how-to-build-water-ionizer-homemade- 
water-ionizer


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Re: CS>Magic Miracle Water

[Jonathan B. Britten]

If memory serves me, altcancer.com once sold H30 as "hydronium," and 
claimed many valuable uses for it.Regulators did not take kindly to 
those claims, to say the least.




On Sunday, Apr 5, 2009, at 21:26 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:

"Water" dissociates into H3O [acid] and OH [base..the Ion in Ionized 
water]



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CS>Meditopia

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Don't miss this priceless resource:

http://www.meditopia.org/index_ing.htm

Please pass it on.   This is more fine work from Greg Caton,  one of 
the bravest and most remarkable "alternative" health advocates on earth.



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Re: CS>Sorta Like like godzilla?

[Jonathan B. Britten]

The consumer devices sold widely in Japan use calcium tablets or powder 
versus salt,  but there's definitely production of some chorine or 
chloride in the runoff.   It smells very much like chlorox bleach.
Supposedly it is good for the skin.




On Thursday, Apr 2, 2009, at 18:09 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:

It turns out that zapping salt water with low-voltage electricity 
creates a couple of powerful yet nontoxic cleaning agents. Sodium ions 
are converted into sodium hydroxide, an alkaline liquid that cleans 
and degreases like detergent, but without the scrubbing bubbles. 
Chloride ions become hypochlorous acid, a potent disinfectant known as 
acid water.



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Re: CS>beck protocol success anyone?

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Persons wanting to follow the protocol can find the needed tools from 
Sota Instruments in Canada.   The company has been in business for a 
long time, is reliable, and regularly improves products, offering an 
upgrade price to previous purchasers.


Note that Sota can say virtually nothing about the uses of the 
products, and cannot even link to sites that provide information about 
the protocol.   I think this amounts to suppression of information, but 
it's a complex legal issue, I suppose, one that LEF.org in the USA has 
been fighting for many years.



On Thursday, Apr 2, 2009, at 05:30 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:


My sister beat lyme using it after the doctors' protocols failed.

Marshall

gmetrop...@aol.com wrote:



anyone ever heard of anyone having success with the beck protocol? I 
am wondering if it would work for chronic lyme and mycoplasma that 
has infected the connective tissues of the scalp causing chronic 
severe headaches,adhesions, muscle spasm from head down back and 
circulatory issues. Could this protocol address this problem. I have 
struggled for 8 years with these symptoms 24 hours and trying to 
raise my 6 children.


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Re: CS>Electrolyzed water

[Jonathan B. Britten]

If memory serves me, the National models use titanium.


On Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009, at 23:14 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:


The water ionizers use stainless steel, but I am not sure which alloy.

Marshall



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Re: CS>Stomach ulcer.

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I read recently that some cases of Helicobacter are curable, but some 
resist all treatment.   As the infection is linked to stomach cancer, 
it's a major problem.





On Monday, Mar 9, 2009, at 23:35 Asia/Tokyo, Rowena wrote:


Interesting, Day. 
 
I pop up with this little story every now and then.
 
I suppose it's a Helicobacter pylori story - I used to work for the 
Prof who was head of department in Royal Perth where they did the 
original work on H.pylori.  The bismuth stuff was involved in some 
trials.

 
I happened to read The Forty-Nine Steps (John Buchan) while I was 
there, in which an American character who suffers an ulcer is always 
sucking bismuth tablets.  By the end of the story he is free of his 
ulcer.

 
I mentioned this to the Prof, and he was quite tickled by the 
circumstance.  (They already had the cure half a century before . . . > )

 
Rowena.

 

I cured my ulcers permanently with Pepto Bismal.   Bought large bottle 
and swigged it frequently for about a week...





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CS>Electrolyzed water

[Jonathan B. Britten]

These devices have been very popular in Japan for several decades now.  
The US is catching up at last:


http://articles.latimes.com/p/2009/feb/23/business/fi-magicwater23

Hope units use calcium tablets or powder rather than salt water, but 
the principle is the same.


 



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Re: CS>Consumer Reports on Distillers?

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I'm in agreement.   I think CR has been dead wrong about vitamin 
therapy and nutraceuticals, and also about mercury fillings.


I'd be curious to know on the OT list what investment advice CR has 
provided.  I haven't read the magazine for some time.





On Thursday, Feb 19, 2009, at 00:38 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
Thanks for checking.  That's what I wanted to know.   Too bad; I 
trust CR.





I do too for testin products but don't for their "analysis" reports.  
They for instance followed the FDA lead on pronouncing CS as worthless 
and possibly harmful, apparently not researching it at all, and if I 
had followed their investment advice over the years I would be down 
about 60% on my investments instead of up 2,000%.



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CS>Berkey PF2 for flouride

[Jonathan B. Britten]

http://www.truehealthfacts.com/berkey/PF-2-PF-4FAQ.html

The Berkey units are often advertised online.   The "black Berkey" 
filters combine with the PF2 filters.



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Re: CS>Consumer Reports on Distillers?

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Thanks for checking.  That's what I wanted to know.   Too bad; I trust 
CR.


On Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009, at 05:52 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote:


Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
I don't want to clutter up the list with another discussion of water 
distiller brands, but wonder whether anyone has seen CR (no 
Consumer's Digest) ratings of WDs.   Information much appreciated.
I am an online subscriber to CR but I can't find that they have ever 
reported on them at the CR website.

sol



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CS>Consumer Reports on Distillers?

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I don't want to clutter up the list with another discussion of water 
distiller brands, but wonder whether anyone has seen CR (no Consumer's 
Digest) ratings of WDs.   Information much appreciated.Also a 
suggestion:  vendors might want to consider a package deal on EIS 
devices and distillers.   The best of all worlds, of course, would be 
an integrated device that distills, then generates EIS.   I bet there's 
a tidy little market out there. . .



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CS>Nano materials movie

[Jonathan B. Britten]

This is worth watching.  In particular, the change of silicon with  
particle size may parallel EIS color changes.


http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/ 
189?gclid=CKSqy9mqypgCFQZqswodF1Pb1Q



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CS>Alternative Cancer Therapy in UK

[Jonathan B. Britten]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1136870/The-boy-11-tumours- 
sent-home-die--survives-grandparents-alternative-therapy- 
treatments.html?ITO=1490


Note the multi-faceted regimen includes 2.5 hours in an FIR sauna.

List member Nenah Silver recommends these for various purposes.




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Re: CS>Bipolar disorder

[Jonathan B. Britten]

You'd be interested by an article that appeared in Readers' Digest long 
ago.   A child was suffering from an undiagnosed illness.  I don't 
recall all the symptoms, but there was frequent brain swelling that 
necessitated surgeries.   The MD, on opening the cranium, was struck by 
the odor, he thought, of excrement.


This he could not believe, and finally decided he was wrong.

He wasn't.

Playing in a sandbox while visiting relatives, the child had gotten a 
parasite -- a tapeworm I believe.   The parasite had penetrated the 
blood/brain barrier.


The child nearly died before the MDs figured out what had happened. 
It's very rare, but it's real.


I've read H. Clark's books, and give her a lot of credit.   The worst 
thing about her work is the title -- Cure for All Diseases.  That's a 
stretch, and probably turns off many potential readers who'd benefit 
from her observations.




On Tuesday, Feb 3, 2009, at 13:49 Asia/Tokyo, Gayla Roberts wrote:

What happened was that a dog bit him in the cheek as a 2 year old. The 
larvae from the common ascarid (common roundworm in dogs) was 
transferred to his sinuses and went into his brain. The waste from the 
ascarids caused the seizures.



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Re: CS>Bipolar disorder

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I have often speculated about the mechanism of the well-known 
improvements of electro-convulsive therapy, now carried out with much 
lower voltage than in the bad old days (see "One Flew Over the Cukoo's 
Nest" and "A Beautiful Mind" for painful examples.)I can't help but 
wonder whether the real benefit comes from destroying or disabling some 
kind of pathogen, and wondering whether the Bob Beck blood 
electrification techniques might not do the same thing, albeit more 
slowly.I have never read of any attempt to test this hypothesis.


Are there any links to the "egg sack" data?

For really astonishing data about the pathogens and heavy metals that 
make it through the blood/brain barrier, check out the work of Y. 
Omura, M.D., a bona fide genius whose work is far, far too little known.







On Sunday, Feb 1, 2009, at 02:23 Asia/Tokyo, Clayton Family wrote:

This is all very good, but the link between mental illness and brain 
damage is too real to pass up. And that egg sacks have been found in 
the brains of bipolar people is also instructive.


It would be interesting to hear if silver passes the brain barrier 
enough at sufficient quantity to keep the illness to a mild roar. 
Already there are some antiparasitic drugs that are used for bipolar. 
There may also be fungal infection of the brain, not to mention brain 
irritation from various chemicals, etc.  We know less than we think.


Kathryn


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Re: CS>Bipolar disorder

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I seem to recall having read that EPA/DHA fish oil can significantly 
modulate/moderate the condition.  This seems plausible based on 
considerable reading about this powerful nutriceutical.


I once stumbled on a site selling crystals.  Natural lithium crystals, 
reputed to have an influence on bi-polar condition, were sold out.


As a pharmaceutical, lithium's use is well known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

Could lithium crystals have a beneficial influence?   There would be 
nothing to lose and much to gain from experimenting, but I would start 
with LEF brand fish oil first.   It's annual clearance sale now, BTW.









On Friday, Jan 30, 2009, at 04:26 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:

Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder.  Does 
anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure?


Thanks,

Marshall


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Re: CS>Thyroid - a question

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I don't know much about RAI, but would suggest doing some research on 
the use of beta glucan to prevent physical damage by radiation.


This low-cost product can be of use during X-rays and other scanning 
methods, in event of nuclear/radiological accident or wartime event, 
and presumably during radiation therapy, unless proscribed by the MD.


Some time spent in advance might pay great dividends.




On Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009, at 12:23 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote:


Dianne France wrote:
When my daughter went thru this she had to stay away from the family. 
 She ate on
paper plates with plastic ware and had to double plastic bag them 
after use for disposal.
She also had to flush the toilet two or three times after use.  It 
was hard on all of

them because she had three young children.  She is much better now.

A lot of doctors are very careless about the patient being radioactive 
after RAI, and don't adequately tell the patients how to protect their 
families, especially young children.

Sounds like your daughter had better info than some get.
sol


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Re: CS>Non-healing and Slow-healing skin surface ulcers

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Marshall,

If you can provide US consumers with links to affordable devices, 
you'll be doing them a favor.


The devices are ubiquitous in Japan.   You know the benefits;  you're 
probably in a minority.



On Tuesday, Dec 30, 2008, at 01:31 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Ode Coyote wrote:



  A CS generator makes Alkaline water as a byproduct...the OH[-] 
anion produced in a one to one ratio with the Ag[+] silver ion.


"Highly acid" is NOT alkaline [ a base, which is the polar opposite 
of an acid]


Ode

The machines he is talking about take water and split it up into an 
acid stream and an alkaline stream. I have used one for the last 8 or 
9 years.  I normally let the acid stream go down the drain, but it can 
be collected and used on the skin.  The alkaline stream I put into a 
stainless steel holding tank, and drink all my water from it.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Non-healing and Slow-healing skin surface ulcers

[Jonathan B. Britten]

The generators I refer to can create acidic water, both as runoff when 
making alkaline water, and directly  when set to make acidic water.   
(The runoff is alkaline when making acidic water. )


The  more expensive devices have adjustable pH settings.

The bottom line:  machines sold as "alkaline water machines" produce 
acidic water as well.   The devices are sometimes also called "ion 
water" machines.


It had occurred to me that a CS generator changes the pH of the water, 
though I have never tested that.   The essential technology is the 
same:  an anode and a cathode.


The Japanese devices require calcium tablets or powder, I suppose to 
speed up the process.  The extra calcium is supposedly an additional 
health benefit.


A big difference between EIS water and the water produced by the device 
I refer to is that the latter produces water of a reduced molecular 
size.  One can drink much more of it without feeling bloated.   It's 
remarkable.





On Monday, Dec 29, 2008, at 20:20 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:




  A CS generator makes Alkaline water as a byproduct...the OH[-] anion 
produced in a one to one ratio with the Ag[+] silver ion.


"Highly acid" is NOT alkaline [ a base, which is the polar opposite of 
an acid]


Ode


At 01:52 PM 12/29/2008 +0900, you wrote:
Some years ago a Japanese news channel featured a story about a 
diabetic man whose foot was likely to be amputated.   Gangrene had 
set in.   It looked awful.  As he was a laborer, loss of his foot 
would have meant joblessness.


Instead of amputating, the hospital soaked his foot in highly acidic 
water.   This is made by electrolysis, and is available in drug 
stores in Japan, and can also be made at home using an "alkaline 
water machine."


The man's foot was restored to normal within a week or so.   Nothing 
was done but to soak it for a time, then wrap it in sterile cloth.


Drinking the alkaline water throughout the day also helped to 
regulate his insulin level,  and dramatically reduced his need for 
injections.


The acidic water also worked wonders on bedsores of bedridden persons.

The machines are under $500 in Japan and are widely available.   Some 
can be found on sale for under $300.


I think there would be nothing to lose and much to gain by trying 
this method.







On Monday, Dec 29, 2008, at 02:16 Asia/Tokyo, Kathy wrote:

My husband has such a wound on his toe, about the size of a nickel.  
He is diabetic and only 45 y/o.  We have tried Indie's 
recommendation with small improvement.  I think the nasal spray is 
helping, although we had to dilute the DMSO a lot.  The infection 
seems to be gone at this point, but the circulation to the toe is 
poor.


We will try this out, and we even have an oxygen machine in the 
house!  My only reservation is applying DMSO directly to the wound 
because there is still some necrotic tissue there.  He is getting it 
debrided every week or two.  The topical dressing that seems to work 
best is glycerine and iodine.


Thank you Brooks, for this information.  The doctors want to do 
bypass surgery on my husband's leg, and we would prefer not to go 
that route.


Kathy



From:brooks76009 [mailto:brooks76...@lycos.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:49 AM
To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Non-healing and Slow-healing skin surface ulcers



I noticed a passing inquiry/observation regarding non-healing 
skin-surface
ulcers. A majority of of non-healing skin-surface ulcers have their 
origin based upon
circulation compromises.presenting especially in diabetics and 
advanced cardiovascular insults. During the mid and late 1990s we 
conducted some very promising
evaluations of these conditions and implementedwhat proved to 
besome effective protocol addresses. Most challenging were the 
non-healing ulcers affecting Type II diabetics.and particularly 
those presenting on the lower leg extremities and feet.
By far, the most effective protocol proved to be one involving 
Colloidal Silver, DMSO and oxygen. Summarizing the protocol: The 
"self-help" version of this experimental protocol consisted, 
essentially, of a system for applying 100% oxygen as a surrounding 
atmosphere of the general environmentafter the generous 
application of a DMSO X Colloidal Silver mixture. The actual 
procedure is as follows: (The following procedure was designed for 
insults presenting in all areas below the knee joint) 1. Performed a 
preliminary application of undiluted, commercial, 3.5% hydrogen 
peroxide; allowing approximately 3 minutes or until all foaming 
action has ceasedfollowed by blotting with clean cotton 
swab/ball. 2. Generous application of 20 ppm CS (75% by Volume) >>> mixed
with full-strength DMSO (10% by Volume)covering the entire 
insult area to the point of surface runoff. Note: Be sure the entire 
treatment field is completely clear of clothing and other 
obstructions. 3. Next, carefully slip a small transparent garbage 
bag over the lower 

Re: CS>Non-healing and Slow-healing skin surface ulcers

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Some years ago a Japanese news channel featured a story about a 
diabetic man whose foot was likely to be amputated.   Gangrene had set 
in.   It looked awful.  As he was a laborer, loss of his foot would 
have meant joblessness.


Instead of amputating, the hospital soaked his foot in highly acidic 
water.   This is made by electrolysis, and is available in drug stores 
in Japan, and can also be made at home using an "alkaline water 
machine."


The man's foot was restored to normal within a week or so.   Nothing 
was done but to soak it for a time, then wrap it in sterile cloth.


Drinking the alkaline water throughout the day also helped to regulate 
his insulin level,  and dramatically reduced his need for injections.


The acidic water also worked wonders on bedsores of bedridden persons.

The machines are under $500 in Japan and are widely available.   Some 
can be found on sale for under $300.


I think there would be nothing to lose and much to gain by trying this 
method.







On Monday, Dec 29, 2008, at 02:16 Asia/Tokyo, Kathy wrote:

My husband has such a wound on his toe, about the size of a nickel.  
He is diabetic and only 45 y/o.  We have tried Indie’s recommendation 
with small improvement.  I think the nasal spray is helping, although 
we had to dilute the DMSO a lot.  The infection seems to be gone at 
this point, but the circulation to the toe is poor.


We will try this out, and we even have an oxygen machine in the 
house!  My only reservation is applying DMSO directly to the wound 
because there is still some necrotic tissue there.  He is getting it 
debrided every week or two.  The topical dressing that seems to work 
best is glycerine and iodine.


Thank you Brooks, for this information.  The doctors want to do bypass 
surgery on my husband’s leg, and we would prefer not to go that route.


Kathy

 

From:brooks76009 [mailto:brooks76...@lycos.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:49 AM
To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Non-healing and Slow-healing skin surface ulcers

 

I noticed a passing inquiry/observation regarding non-healing 
skin-surface
ulcers. A majority of of non-healing skin-surface ulcers have their 
origin based upon
circulation compromises.presenting especially in diabetics and 
advanced cardiovascular insults. During the mid and late 1990s we 
conducted some very promising
evaluations of these conditions and implementedwhat proved to 
besome effective protocol addresses. Most challenging were the 
non-healing ulcers affecting Type II diabetics.and particularly 
those presenting on the lower leg extremities and feet.
By far, the most effective protocol proved to be one involving 
Colloidal Silver, DMSO and oxygen. Summarizing the protocol: The 
"self-help" version of this experimental protocol consisted, 
essentially, of a system for applying 100% oxygen as a surrounding 
atmosphere of the general environmentafter the generous 
application of a DMSO X Colloidal Silver mixture. The actual procedure 
is as follows: (The following procedure was designed for insults 
presenting in all areas below the knee joint) 1. Performed a 
preliminary application of undiluted, commercial, 3.5% hydrogen 
peroxide; allowing approximately 3 minutes or until all foaming action 
has ceasedfollowed by blotting with clean cotton swab/ball. 2. 
Generous application of 20 ppm CS (75% by Volume) mixed
with full-strength DMSO (10% by Volume)covering the entire insult 
area to the point of surface runoff. Note: Be sure the entire 
treatment field is completely clear of clothing and other 
obstructions. 3. Next, carefully slip a small transparent garbage bag 
over the lower leg (below the knee), avoiding physical contact with 
the injured area and carefully gather the top of the bag just below 
the knee joint. 4. Next, using any convenient source of pure oxygen, 
with the end of the hose section terminating in a small plastic 
tubing.insert the tubing well inside the garbage bag and secure 
the top of the bag with a rubber band. 4. Slowly inflate the bag with 
O2, until the bag is well filled (it will easily inflate at low 
pressure). Note: The actual pressure is not critical, just keep enough 
pressure applied to prevent the collapse of the garbage bag. 5. 
Maintain this arrangement for 15 to 20 minutes. Actually, we found 
that the 02 leakage rates to be quite slow, ! usually allowing us to 
cut off the pressure valve for extended periods (more than 5 minutes), 
before the inflated bag became sufficiently deflated to require 
additional pressure.
This simple protocol was most impressive in the positive results 
yielded against some of the most intractable slow or non-healing 
ulcers.some of quite long-standing nature (over 6 months). In most 
cases, twice-daily procedures resulted in size-increase stoppages 
within 5 days and generation of new wound-edge granulation of tissue 
beginning within 7 to 10 days. This, many times, in cases where the 
ulc

Re: CS>Success!

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Steve,

If you have time, I'm sure list members here would be glad to learn of  
the best sources for safe "soup."  I studied the process to make it,  
and it's quite involved and risky for those who are anything less than  
meticulously careful at every stage.I understand a Turkish MD is  
the expert on this product -- is the best product from Turkey?





On Friday, Dec 12, 2008, at 03:59 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote:



Indi,

I posted your story on the Yahoo oleandarsoup group. The oleandarsoup
group is about using specially processesed (DIY) oleandar as an
anticancer agent. While it was posted only recently there have been
several comments on the posting that I would like to pass on to you.
Your story will make a difference.

 - Steve N



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Thanks so much for that info!
I'm drinking 8ozs CS per day as the eczema has become infected with
staph. Dr wants me in hospital for IV AB's & steroids. Not likely! They
tend to change it into MRSA in hospitals. People die of the treatments
rather than the diseases! And hospital "food"! Bleah!

Found a site that sells DMSO near where I live and there was a
testimonial about dermatitis! S... perhaps the end of this pain is
in sight.

Started taking Transfer Factor last night and also cracked a couple of
capsules to sprinkle it on the worst affected areas. Still wake in a
scratching frenzy though. Can only cat nap, because of the stinging
itch.

Prayer is helping too. Perhaps THIS is the answer to my prayer. I have
wasted thousands looking for the answer over the last 4 years. Nearly
broke now. Thanks once again.

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Wow, very cool story, thanks Steve for sharing it!

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Wow that's amazing. My grandfather battls that MRSA. He's in a VA
hospital. That really is amazing


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