Re: CS>Renee~

[maniaka rose]

Yes, 60.  I realized last night I got ages confused with another friend who
was just diagnosed with cancer and just turned 62.  She was delighted to
start getting her 'old lady' money and Renee never got to that point.

thanks for the clarification~


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Joe Huard  wrote:

>  Jane said she was 60 on the same day you wrote this. "Renee was born
> 11th March '53."
> On 22/04/2013 7:16 PM, maniaka rose wrote:
>
> ps...she was 62 if memory serves.  At our age we don't count the years
> like we used to *grin*~
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM, maniaka rose wrote:
>
>>  Renee was diagnosed with ovarian cancer last August.  She had surgery
>> first of Sept, hysterectomy.  At that time doc said he got all the
>> cancer that was visible.  He told Larry and Joey it was a fast growing
>> aggressive cancer (common with ovarian cancer).
>>
>>
>>
>> Both of her parents had cancer (killing her mom) and contributing to her
>> father's passing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Renee had stage 4 breast cancer 23 years ago.  At that time, after
>> surgery (one mastectomy) and 5 rounds of chemo (to appease her mom) she hit
>> the ground running, cleaned up her diet and continued on that track for
>> several years.  Renee has always had a love of junk food and in her own
>> words was a junk food junkie.  She also didn't put a lot of stock in
>> organic (produce, dairy or meat).  She said while organic was deff the
>> best a body would adapt to what was available.
>>
>>
>>
>> After her surgery she kept putting off starting her protocols. She cut
>> down on sweets to a great degree. January she got sick, lungs etc.  Eventual
>> trip to er (painful blood clots in her legs) determined the cancer had
>> spread to liver, spleen, stomach and possibly intestines.  At that time
>> she became basically wheelchair bound.
>>
>>
>>
>> About a month later with a lot of arm twisting and encouragement from
>> friends she started some protocols but at that time was too sick to take
>> many.  Everything made her nauseous or throw up.  She did manage to get
>> a few things down but too little too late.  We did manage to get her on
>> a few things that eased her discomfort and she had many 'good days'.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've known and loved Renee personally for many years.  She was an
>> amazing woman and stubborn as a mule.  We had many debates on the
>> importance of food as one's medicine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alternative protocols are great and offer promise.  I exclude whiz bangs
>> that are in abundance.  Imho no matter how promising the protocol, it is
>> essential to combine that with a lifestyle that is as free from toxins as
>> feasible.  It's not just organic of whence I speak.
>>
>>
>>
>> The loss of her in our lives is obvious.  It was her wish that her
>> illness and passing be a teaching experience for others.
>>
>>
>>
>> Take from it what you will~
>>
>>
>>
>> rose
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM, 123 456  wrote:
>>
>>>  On 4/22/13, sol  wrote:
>>> > Jason Vale wrote:
>>> >> get her on the apricot seeds
>>> >>
>>> > I would be amazed if that wasn't something she had tried.
>>> > sol
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Re: CS>Renee~

[maniaka rose]

ps...she was 62 if memory serves.  At our age we don't count the years like
we used to *grin*~


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM, maniaka rose  wrote:

> Renee was diagnosed with ovarian cancer last August.  She had surgery
> first of Sept, hysterectomy.  At that time doc said he got all the cancer
> that was visible.  He told Larry and Joey it was a fast growing
> aggressive cancer (common with ovarian cancer).
>
>
>
> Both of her parents had cancer (killing her mom) and contributing to her
> father's passing.
>
>
>
> Renee had stage 4 breast cancer 23 years ago.  At that time, after
> surgery (one mastectomy) and 5 rounds of chemo (to appease her mom) she hit
> the ground running, cleaned up her diet and continued on that track for
> several years.  Renee has always had a love of junk food and in her own
> words was a junk food junkie.  She also didn't put a lot of stock in
> organic (produce, dairy or meat).  She said while organic was deff the
> best a body would adapt to what was available.
>
>
>
> After her surgery she kept putting off starting her protocols. She cut
> down on sweets to a great degree. January she got sick, lungs etc.  Eventual
> trip to er (painful blood clots in her legs) determined the cancer had
> spread to liver, spleen, stomach and possibly intestines.  At that time
> she became basically wheelchair bound.
>
>
>
> About a month later with a lot of arm twisting and encouragement from
> friends she started some protocols but at that time was too sick to take
> many.  Everything made her nauseous or throw up.  She did manage to get a
> few things down but too little too late.  We did manage to get her on a
> few things that eased her discomfort and she had many 'good days'.
>
>
>
> I've known and loved Renee personally for many years.  She was an amazing
> woman and stubborn as a mule.  We had many debates on the importance of
> food as one's medicine.
>
>
>
> Alternative protocols are great and offer promise.  I exclude whiz bangs
> that are in abundance.  Imho no matter how promising the protocol, it is
> essential to combine that with a lifestyle that is as free from toxins as
> feasible.  It's not just organic of whence I speak.
>
>
>
> The loss of her in our lives is obvious.  It was her wish that her
> illness and passing be a teaching experience for others.
>
>
>
> Take from it what you will~
>
>
>
> rose
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM, 123 456  wrote:
>
>> On 4/22/13, sol  wrote:
>> > Jason Vale wrote:
>> >> get her on the apricot seeds
>> >>
>> > I would be amazed if that wasn't something she had tried.
>> > sol
>> >
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Re: CS>Renee~

[maniaka rose]

Renee was diagnosed with ovarian cancer last August.  She had surgery first
of Sept, hysterectomy.  At that time doc said he got all the cancer that
was visible.  He told Larry and Joey it was a fast growing aggressive
cancer (common with ovarian cancer).



Both of her parents had cancer (killing her mom) and contributing to her
father's passing.



Renee had stage 4 breast cancer 23 years ago.  At that time, after surgery
(one mastectomy) and 5 rounds of chemo (to appease her mom) she hit the
ground running, cleaned up her diet and continued on that track for several
years.  Renee has always had a love of junk food and in her own words was a
junk food junkie.  She also didn't put a lot of stock in organic (produce,
dairy or meat).  She said while organic was deff the best a body would
adapt to what was available.



After her surgery she kept putting off starting her protocols. She cut down
on sweets to a great degree. January she got sick, lungs etc.  Eventual
trip to er (painful blood clots in her legs) determined the cancer had
spread to liver, spleen, stomach and possibly intestines.  At that time she
became basically wheelchair bound.



About a month later with a lot of arm twisting and encouragement from
friends she started some protocols but at that time was too sick to take
many.  Everything made her nauseous or throw up.  She did manage to get a
few things down but too little too late.  We did manage to get her on a few
things that eased her discomfort and she had many 'good days'.



I've known and loved Renee personally for many years.  She was an amazing
woman and stubborn as a mule.  We had many debates on the importance of
food as one's medicine.



Alternative protocols are great and offer promise.  I exclude whiz bangs
that are in abundance.  Imho no matter how promising the protocol, it is
essential to combine that with a lifestyle that is as free from toxins as
feasible.  It's not just organic of whence I speak.



The loss of her in our lives is obvious.  It was her wish that her illness
and passing be a teaching experience for others.



Take from it what you will~



rose



On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM, 123 456  wrote:

> On 4/22/13, sol  wrote:
> > Jason Vale wrote:
> >> get her on the apricot seeds
> >>
> > I would be amazed if that wasn't something she had tried.
> > sol
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CS>Renee has passed on~Condolences and Crossposting

[maniaka rose]

I'm sending all messages of appreciation/condolences to Larry and Joey.



thank you



~rose



Renee was on so many list, more than I know.  I've posted to a few but if
any of you know of others please share any of my posts.  It is Larry and
Joey's wish that all that knew her might be informed.



We form a different kind of family on the internet.  While we may never
meet hug to hug we meet in our hearts and share a special bond.  Those of
us that know our special bond all to often have someone disappear and never
know 'the rest of the story'.  I don't want that for Renee and neither does
her family.



In Renee's words…Samala

CS>Renee has passed on~

[maniaka rose]

Hi Rose,



Just a quick note as I have a lot to do. Renee passed away this morning at
about 9AM. She was not in pain and left us peacefully.



The world will be a lot less bright without in it.



Thank you and all the others for your support and good thoughts. It means a
lot to Joey and me. Please let everyone know who also came to know her.



Larry

CS>Renee~

[maniaka rose]

I posted this to our list few hours ago.  Thought everyone here would
like to know.

We are all lighting candles for this beautiful lady~

rose

~

Afternoon everyone,

I’ve put off updating on Renee’s condition till she came to the
conclusion herself that ‘it’s time’.  She had a good day last Tuesday,
wrote a cheery email, then lapsed into mostly sleeping/pain meds.
I’ve kept in touch with Larry.  So I’ve been expecting this if she was
strong enough to write.  I’ve edited out some personal back and forth
but this will give you ample feel for the time at hand.

I’m lighting a candle for her today and will keep it going thru her
passing.  As Mara wrote to me earlier…

I am visualizing her leaving at peace and without a lot of pain….

~
Know that all we did for her brought something to her life that she
did not have.  She realized how much she is loved by us.  She came to
value herself more and in that was able to let go of so many angers
and resentments from her life’s journey.  Nothing heals a broken heart
like tons of love being thrown at it.

While we were not able to save her body we along with others did save
her heart.  I can say this unequivocally from communications we have
had over these last months.  And for a short while she had hope and
some very very good days.  She has a peace in her now that was not
there before we all showered her with our gifts of love both
physically and in emails/bday wishes etc.  Each day packages arriving
brought her tears of joy.

I’ll keep everyone posted~




From: Gaiacita [ mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 1:41 PM

Subject: Re: hello

well, this message isn't so delightful.  i'm loosing the battle.  i
have no more good days, just tolerable and intolerable and the
intolerable is winning out.
i guess if i'd have been much more forceful at the beginning, but on
the other hand i think i put it off because of wanting to go home.
who knows.  as i said--no one gets out of here alive.

i so appreciate my brothers--Larry of course is here constantly.  Skip
is coming in tomorrow for a week.  Joey has been so good.  he never
leaves my side.
so i don't know how much longer i'll be here.  at this rate it could
be weeks but i don't want to drag it on that long.  we'll see.
i know you of all people will understand.  now i'm no longer at the
point of wanting to leave, and that i want to stay for all different
reasons, the choice has been taken from me i think.

well, too tired for more.  thinking of you always.  oh--and the sale
on the 2 acres is going through thankfully.  we should sign the papers
friday.  this means so much to me to know that joey will have some
breathing space with the finances and that Larry will be paid off
before i go.


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2011 #363

[Stephen Rose]

I think that we can all get it from Piratebay.  So, it isn't really a 
problem, is it?



On 11/27/2011 11:05 PM, Paul wrote:

I have the movie (from thepiratebay.org) and could put up a public area
for download, but I'm still considering the consequences and the
*intention* behind that action. If anyone can convince me then I'll
follow my natural leanings and post it publically, but we need to be
mindful of unintended consequences and I'm sitting on the fence.

Paul B



On 26/11/2011 23:17, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:

*From:* Sara Mandal-Joy 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:19 AM
*Subject:* CS>Thrive

Since Thrive stars (and was created by) someone who was being groomed
to run Proctor and Gamble, I was a bit hesitant to watch it or give it
any weight. However, after someone pointed me in the direction of a
free U-tube version, I decided to watch it. It is profound, and
important, and well worth watching.
I watched it for free, since I wasn't going to put out 5 bucks on
http://www.thrivemovement.com to rent it, when I wasn't sure I was
genuinely interested in seeing it. It is worth the 5 bucks. In fact,
after seeing it for free I'm buying multiple copies (at 20 bucks each)
to share with friends. The U tube freebies keep being posted and then
removed by the system, but new people keep uploading it
again, varying the name enough to get it up there. The preview is
always up, but if you search on "Thrive" you will find it appearing.
The full movie is two hours and 8 minutes - that should help you find
the right thing regardless of what it is being called to get it on the
site. Once you find one watch it soon or it will be gone. It is well
worth the money. Not discouraging anyone from renting and/or buying
it. BUT it is important to see regardless. Sara





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Re: CS>Tumor reduction

[Stephen Rose]

Because I'm not sure that I understand your question, I'll try to say 
this in a way that seems clear (to me, at least).  If you want to take 
mms at 28% sodium chlorite (really 22.4%) and dilute it to 3% sodium 
chlorite, start with one ounce of mms and add six and one half ounces of 
water.  This will result in stabilized oxygen at 3% sodium chlorite. 
Did that answer your question?


Steve


On 9/14/2010 9:31 AM, Lisa wrote:

Ok, so are we then using straight unactivated MMS at .47 oz (or close
enough) to 6 ½ ounces purified water?

OR are we using activated MMS at .47oz with 6 ½ oz of water? – I figure
the former but would really like to be informed one way or another.

Thanks.

Lisa



*From:* Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:27 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>Tumor reduction

It's called 'close enough'. I'd do 6 and a half ounces.

Because like Chuck said--it's not super critical. People have taken just
drops of straight, full strength MMS in water and gotten results. I
simply prefer to be a bit closer to actual stabilized oxygen--which can
be from between 2 and 3% sodium chlorite. The formula we have been given
will be 'close enough' to that.

Samala,

Renee

/---Original Message---/

Since we are working with chemicals, how would we measure .47 ounces?






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Re: CS>Tumor reduction

[Stephen Rose]

Just round it to one half.  The difference is negligible.  I suppose you 
could think of water as a chemical.  :-)


Steve


On 9/14/2010 9:14 AM, needling around wrote:

Since we are working with chemicals, how would we measure .47 ounces?
Thanks.
PT

- Original Message -
*From:* Lisa 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:59 AM
*Subject:* RE: CS>Tumor reduction

Would you be using “unactivated” MMS to accomplish this? WOW, that’d
be wicked cool to make as it’s so inexpensive!



*From:* Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 11:58 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Subject:* Re: CS>Tumor reduction

So you are saying add 1 ounce of MMS to the 6.47 ounces of water? It
would be best to be able to make up a good size amount, because then
you'd have it ready. I know Tom has talked about making it up per
dose, but having a bottle of it handy would save time and brain power.

Samala,

Renee






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Re: CS>Tumor reduction

[Stephen Rose]

That's it.  Of course, you could double and triple the recipe if you 
want.  The percentages would stay the same.


Steve


On 9/13/2010 10:58 PM, Renee wrote:

So you are saying add 1 ounce of MMS to the 6.47 ounces of water?  It
would be best to be able to make up a good size amount, because then
you'd have it ready. I know Tom has talked about making it up per dose,
but having a bottle of it handy would save time and brain power.
Samala,
Renee
/---Original Message---/
So, subtracting the one ounce of fluid that represents the mms to be
diluted, you would add 6.47 ounces of water to get 3% using the 22.4%
sodium chlorite figure. The 5.3% filler might affect this slightly, but
I don't think it would change it very much. It looks like even if you
used the previous numbers, you would end up with about 2% sodium
Chlorite which is still in the range of stabilized oxygen. What do you
think?





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Re: CS>Tumor reduction

[Stephen Rose]

I did wonder about that.  I think we can fix it.  Let's modify it this way:

  .224/x = .03

Solving for x,

  x = .224/.03 = 7.4

So, subtracting the one ounce of fluid that represents the mms to be 
diluted, you would add 6.47 ounces of water to get 3% using the 22.4% 
sodium chlorite figure.  The 5.3% filler might affect this slightly, but 
I don't think it would change it very much.  It looks like even if you 
used the previous numbers, you would end up with about 2% sodium 
chlorite which is still in the range of stabilized oxygen.  What do you 
think?


Steve


On 9/13/2010 10:18 PM, Renee wrote:

Ah--the rub comes in here--Jim Humble says it's 28% sodium chlorite.  It
is NOT. Since the sodium chlorite that the MMS is made from also has
some 'filler' material in the flakes, when the s chlorite is made into
MMS as per Jim's instructions, it's actually a 22.4% of Sodium Chlorite.
The other 5.3% is the filler material.
So--does this effect the number of drops used to get at a 2 to 3%
stabilized oxygen formula of sodium chlorite? Dunno. As I said--math
challenged.
Samala,
Renee
/---Original Message---/
Well, I wouldn't say that I'm a math whiz. But maybe I can help. So,
if you have an ounce of mms at 28% concentration, that ounce contains
..28 ounce of sodium chlorite.





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Re: CS>Tumor reduction

[Stephen Rose]

Well, I wouldn't say that I'm a math whiz.  But maybe I can help.  So, 
if you have an ounce of mms at 28% concentration, that ounce contains 
.28 ounce of sodium chlorite.  So the question is, how may ounces of 
total liquid would you have to have so that .28 ounce of sodium chlorite 
is only 3% of the total?  So another way of say it is this:


  .28/x = .03

Solving for x,

  x = .28/.03 = 9....

So, since the total volume needs to be 9 and 1/3 ounces, and you started 
out with an ounce of mms, add 8 and 1/3 ounces of water to get 3% sodium 
chlorite.  How does that sound?  Of course, you could use any unit of 
measurement that you want.  The numbers should still relate.  Maybe a 
real math whiz can check my logic.  :-)


Steve


On 9/13/2010 5:29 PM, Lisa wrote:

Ooh…I have a supply of MMS and would actually LOVE to know how to make
my own oxygen drops. Any math whizzes out there to help?

Lisa



*From:* Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 2:27 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>Tumor reduction

Pretty much. Only MMS is full strength at 28% while stabilized (or
activated) oxygen is between 2 and 3% of sodium chlorite. So no need to
activate it externally with acid. It activates with your stomach acid.
It does need to be diluted in water though, even at that strength. So a
person with a bottle of MMS can dilute this down to 2 to 3% to get
stabilized oxygen. Just please don't ask me how to do this--I'm math
challenged.

Samala,

Renee

/---Original Message---/

What is in the "oxygen drops?" Is that the same as MMS (sodium chlorite)?






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Re: CS>hydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!

[Alvin Rose]

Hi Ode
you posted some information on Sodium Chlorite
a while ago..Can you post it again..
I lost my copy..


- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 06:30
Subject: Re: CS>hydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!





  I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no 
immediate reaction.

  This ain't rocket surgery...
If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops.

Ode


At 05:00 PM 8/25/2010 +0100, you wrote:
I can't find it either PT but Ode posted it in illustration form so 
hopefully he will jump in here.  dee


On 25 Aug 2010, at 15:50, needling around wrote:

> Hi Dee,
> I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find
anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%.  Would you send the web 
address for the page?

>
> Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for
breaking down particle size?... or anyone else???
> Thanks.
> PT
>


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Re: CS>Turpentine

[Stephen Rose]

:-)  That's so funny.


On 7/9/2010 7:00 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 7/9/2010 4:21:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
papad...@gmail.com writes:

I always thought turpentine was NOT good for the body.
Farmers have used it as a de-wormer, I believe.
Has anyone on the list used it besides Daddybob ?

Smitty

*In the spring it was kind of a ritual--All of us--(kids) got a tsp of
turpentine & a mix of sulphur & molasses... I'm 73 so I guess it didn't
hurt me...I think when we were very young like 3 or 4 the dose was
lower. It's been awhile so I'm not totally sure---& yes I have come to
the realization that the molasses was not really made from mole's as---
. Lois*



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Re: CS>Sonic cleaners

[maniaka rose]

Right Steve, the HF is 60 now but only has 30  day warranty.  We have
never had any luck with HF for quality.  This may be diff but it's
just been such a bust for us with HF stuff, repeatedly to the point we
said no more HF for electronics or moving parts and most tools just
cause they are not up to regular use.

The Kendal I am leaning towards on ebay is 170 watts, 2 litre, 1 year
warranty.  just that it has longer than 30 day and not from HF is
worth it to pay a bit more.  The ebay seller has near perfect rating.
Cost 30$ more including ship.

Who knows, prob all made by the same 'quality' cough cough mfg in
China but multiple burns HF wise and we have cold feet.

thanks for trying to save us a few bucks tho

xxx

rose


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Re: CS>Sonic cleaners

[maniaka rose]

>
> You can run it in CS and suck down the fog like a nebulizer as well.
>
> Ode
>
Ah, Ode, you have given me a wonderful idea which relates to CS and
keeps my thread on topic (note to Mike )  we have several rooms
downstairs partitioned off by wire...one housing 2 coons, skunk and
fennec fox, other room rats and Bush Baby (noctournal primate Africa)
and other room with pooches, kitties flirting at times with mild uri,
who go in and out at leisure.  with all the spring rains in abundance
this year the area is damp (cement floor still to be tiled, tuit in
the making), i envision mold etc. i wanted a way to clean the air on a
regular basis...something more than the hepa air cleaners.  i'll fill
the humidifyer with cs...would you recommend full strength or dilute
which would send it to all the areas, particuallary if i use a fan.
now what could be more lovely than to saturate the air  with CS? while
having this beautiful display of colored lights and bubbling bowl (the
units i bought are really quite lovely).  ambiance and restoration of
air quality all in one.

this is such a wonderful idea

smilin

xxx

rose


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Re: CS>Sonic cleaners

[maniaka rose]

THANKS SO MUCH STEVE...answers a lot of questions.  will probably go
with the Kendal.  Connie, my friend in fla who is foster for local
shelter, is also wanting to start making lip's, has been waiting till
I gave the go ahead on best purchase.  the Kendal is a nice looking
unit and with 170 watt power, realizing all will not be utilized but
still very adequate, the 200 watt units by various mfg big price jump.
 i am curious as to Ode's DIY and will certainly explore any further
information.  Ode built my first gen, then replacement, mag stirrer
etc and his ability to come up with something way cool from random
parts is always impressive to me (referring to the mag stirrer).

much appreciation for all these thoughtful responses...

xxx

rose


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Re: CS>Sonic cleaners

[maniaka rose]

Morning Ode...you have my attention.  I have 2 foggers still in box
that i bought several years ago...never used.  are you saying the unit
could be fashioned to a bowl and we would get the same results?

thanks!

rose

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
>
>
>  Get something like this for $10 [including shipping] and use your own bowl.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-CERAMIC-DISK-MIST-MAKER-MISTING-FOUNTAIN-PART-/260603414575?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cad2c882f
>
> The ultrasonic action is so strong that if you dip a finger in it, it'll
> heat up the bone inside with vibration and really hurt [did that...*once*]
>
> OUCH!!!
>
> You can run it in CS and suck down the fog like a nebulizer as well.
>
> Ode
>
>
>


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Re: CS>Sonic cleaners

[Stephen Rose]

I think you might need more than just the ceramic disk part.  This 
doesn't include the mist maker.


Steve


On 5/21/2010 6:13 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



Get something like this for $10 [including shipping] and use your own bowl.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-CERAMIC-DISK-MIST-MAKER-MISTING-FOUNTAIN-PART-/260603414575?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cad2c882f


The ultrasonic action is so strong that if you dip a finger in it, it'll
heat up the bone inside with vibration and really hurt [did that...*once*]

OUCH!!!

You can run it in CS and suck down the fog like a nebulizer as well.

Ode



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Re: CS>Lasers and thinning hair - low cost options and DIY info

[maniaka rose]

this is all great information.  my hubby is reading it as fast as i
forward.  he's not balding yet, just thinning and it's been a source
of concern for years.  he is very competent in building an array of
things and is studying all the information with great joy.

thanks so much (again)

rose


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Re: CS>Sonic cleaners

[maniaka rose]

Oh, excellent idea Steve, just excellent.  Humidifiers are in
abundance in thrift stores.

can you comment on the wattage issue?  i take it from this post on another list

<<http://www.lightinthebox.com/09-New-Edition--Digital-2-5-Liters-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-TSLR1030-CD-4820-_p71747.html
This is probably accurate as the heaters typically use much more power
than the ultrasonic transducer.

Even Brooks seems to think it's 160W (according to his comments).
Harbor Freight's current ad states: "160 watts provide more ultrasonic
cleaning action".

Many models sold to dentists and doctors for hundreds of dollars more
only use around 50 to 100 watts for the cleaning function. >>>

thanks so much Steve for your reply,

rose


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CS>Sonic cleaners

[maniaka rose]

Afternoon,

I am researching sonic cleaners.  Have found this one on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/170-WATT-2-LITER-DIGITAL-ULTRASONIC-CLEANER-HEATER-/310220644161?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item483a975f41

Unit is a Kendal which has 170 watt.  However, in reading post on
sonic cleaners the information that even the 160 watt cleaners only
utilize 50 watts for cleaning...the rest of the wattage is for
heating.  Can anyone comment on this for my clarification?

I'm passing on the Harbor Freight unit bc it has a 30 day warranty.
Frankly we have never had any success with items from HF lasting any
even brief amount of time so I want to go with a unit that has a year
warranty bc it means at least in the short term the co expects it to
last more than a few weeks.  This is also the longest warranty I have
found on any unit thus far, including the larger 160 watt unit. This
unit is 30$ more than the 2 1.2 litre from HF.  It's 2 litre which is
plenty for our use.

This unit

http://cgi.ebay.com/160-WATT-5-29-PINTS-DIGITAL-ULTRASONIC-CLEANER-HEATER-/330433239383?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cef5b1957

is the 2 1/2 litre, 160 watt that only has 6 mo warranty.  This unit
has no label that I can see so brand unknown.

We have a sanctuary for special needs beast so will be doing
experiments on beast and us.  Wish to explore creams, other minerals,
vitamins in liposome form.  Any input from your ongoing experiments is
most sincerely appreciated.  Please email me privately if this is
going to far off topic.

thanks as always for being such a wellspring of information

xxx

rose


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Re: CS>The Best Bug Spray in the World. (in my opinion)

[maniaka rose]

Steve, it occurred to me last night to make one batch with plain
distilled vinegar for premise spraying.  'lights going off' lol.  will
make the AC version for epidermal applications.

THANK YOU SO MUCH for the ah ha.

and thanks Renee for getting clarification on the fridge or not to
fridge method.  in pm Bodh said picked fridge for 'cool and dark'
place.  so closet would work just fine.  going to make two
batches...one in sunlight, other in closet.  will see if there is any
diff in effectiveness and report back.

thanks to all who responded.  thanks Steve for saving us bunches of
money in making cheaper version for premise spraying.

xxx

rose


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Re: CS>The Best Bug Spray in the World. (in my opinion)

[maniaka rose]

Usually you would use a distilled vinegar rather than one with
"mother" for tincturing and I see no value added using a vinegar with
mother.

>>>>>>>>>
thanks for your reply.  we like the 'idea' of using the mother vinegar
as an energy construct.  it's simply what is in vibrational alignment
with one's chosen belief systems  distilled would work better for you
bc it is in vibrational alignment with you.

'living' vinegar and all the aspects of it that i truly appreciate
would be in vibrational alignment with me.

xxx

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Re: CS>The Best Bug Spray in the World. (in my opinion)

[maniaka rose]

Evening...we are discussing this on my list and the question comes up
'why refrigerate'.  our naturopath in Au says her recipe is to sun the
mixture 'using the warmth of the sun to aid extraction of the active
ingredients into the vinegar.  Once made, it doesn't need to be
refrigerated either.  It keeps for years and years at room
temperature.'

there are many variations on the web...sun, dark closet, fridge,
cupboard, steep for 3 days after the original refrigeration.  head
swims :)

i wonder if you tried the sun method and found this to be more potent.

just trying to connect all the dots.  your input most appreciated.

xxx

rose


On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:25 PM, bodhisattva  wrote:

> Combine all of these ingredients in the jar, shake them up vigorously for at
> least 2-3 minutes then place in your refrigerator.  This must stay in the
> refrigerator for at last 2 weeks, and you should shake the mixture for at
> least 1 minute each day.  At the end of 2 weeks chop up enough fresh garlic
> to make 4 tablespoons and add this to the mixture. Store in the refrigerator
> for another 1-2 weeks, shaking each day as needed.
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Re: CS>Click here to read the latest newsletter from Jim Humble:

[Alvin Rose]

http://www.mareaweb.net/mms/NEWS011.htm

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Click here to read the latest newsletter from Jim Humble:


Server must be down...
Try again in the next few days.
Stuff happens...

Chuck

SEND MONEY I NEED TO GO TO CAMP !



On 4/24/2010 4:07:36 PM, Smitty (papad...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Click here to read the latest newsletter from Jim Humble:
> http://www.mmsnews.org/NEWS011.htm
>
> Couldn't get it Chuck.  dee

I suspect the site has been hacked.
If so. . . .by who ?

Smitty




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Re: CS>A whistleblower claims ,the drug industry wants to keep us sick?????

[Alvin Rose]

certainly the drug companys want to keep you sick
Healthy people don't buy drugs and do not visit doctors..
only sick people do that..Healthy people are of no value
to drug companies as their motive is PROFIT


- Original Message - 
  From: Richard Goodwin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:56 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A whistleblower claims ,the drug industry wants to keep us 
sick?


  The point is:  It is always good to have confirmation from a drug industry 
insider.  I have always believed it too, but having it confirmed that way is 
huge!

  Also makes me think it might be the tip of the iceberg -- what else don't we 
know...???

  Dick




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  Subject: Re: CS>A whistleblower claims ,the drug industry wants to keep us 
sick?

So what is the point?
  I've known that for at least 20 years ( refering to the subject line)





  On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Sunny  wrote:

Better link to the same man, filmed by others.  Better vid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmi3ihrUHJU


sunny x
 
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Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 4:17:48 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A whistleblower claims ,the drug industry wants to keep us 
sick?



Do you know why the address will not come up for me? What do I ask for on 
you tube? Thank you Marlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: Annie B Smythe 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:07 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>A whistleblower claims ,the drug industry wants to keep 
us sick


  Yeah Dee, it's just a confirmation for me too. You 
  can find the whole talk by this same guy on you 
  tube if you put his name in a search on youtube. 
  Heck, that is if you can get youtube across the pond:/

  Annie

  Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


  Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
  > This is such an eye opener Annie, but doesn't surprise me at all I have 
to say!  dee
  > 
  > On 6 Apr 2010, at 20:00, Annie B Smythe wrote:
  > 
  >> Got this in an email this morning, thought y'all might find it 
interesting and informative.
  >>
  >> A whistleblower claims the drug industry wants to keep us sick.
  >> Video is in English
  >>
  >> 
http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/video/General/3651/%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9F,_%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%96%D7%90%D7%A7_%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%99%D7%AA%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%91%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%AA%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94.html
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  >> Annie
  >> -- 
  >> Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh
  >>
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Re: CS>3600 volts EIS

[Alvin Rose]

Hello Ode
you can make excellent colloidal silver with a Microwave oven
I have been using one for years ..There is no danger of High voltage
as the colloidal silver is made inside of the microwave and the door will
not open until the timer has stopped..The colloidal silver is made with
from 2400 to 3600 volts DC and is water clear up to about 20ppm..The 
electrodes

need to be cleaned every two minutes..You can make one and one half gallons
in about 12 minutes depending on PPM required..Particles are very small
on a  spectrometer..use 1/4 or 1/2 inch wide silver rods 6 inches long.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:39 AM
Subject: CS>3600 volts EIS





 Really high voltages gets those ions away from the electrodes really 
fast.
That's how most of the commercially sold EIS is made as *time is 
money*..but that much voltage can shorten your time on Earth even faster.

No generator maker in his right mind would sell one to a "consumer".

Ode

At 07:33 PM 2/20/2010 -0800, you wrote:
What do you think about the guy who says he makes 40 ppm in a minute or 
two using a microwave oven 3600 volts?


Or something like that.

If that really works, then I should be able to make pretty good EIS with 
the 2000v electrophoresis power supply in a very short time.  Maybe I have 
been over-cooking the stuff trying to get higher ppm...?


Dick



- Original Message 
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:17:19 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Which layer of skin for silver deposit?

Hello Dick,

uS is micro siemens, and is a measure of the conductivity of water.  Since
the electrodes are spaced 1 cm apart the results come out in uS/cm.

Some instruments are set up to display PPM.  They do this by measuring the
conductivity of a salt solution, then multiplying it by a factor number to
arrive at PPM.  If you are measuring the same salt concentration that the
meter was set up for, you will get reasonably accurate PPM results.

Unfortunately, none of the standard calibration solutions are set up for
EIS.

Trem (SilverGen) made several batches of EIS, tested them with a uS meter,
then sent them off for laboratory analysis.  He uses a Hanna PWT meter.
Since EIS is mostly ionic, and since the PWT meter mostly responds to ions
rather than particles, the theory is that the uS value should be close to
the actual PPM of silver in the solution once correction factors are
applied.

The process involves measuring the water you are starting with.  When your
batch is finished, let it sit for a day or so, then measure it and 
subtract
the initial reading you got for your water.  This should be an indicator 
of

the ions in the solution.  When Trem got the lab sample reports, he
discovered that a "typical" batch has about 85% ions and 15% particles. 
He

suggests using a 1.2 correction factor for EIS made with his generators.

While fine in theory, there is some controversy over this.  Ode has also 
had
lab samples done, and does not find the correction factor valid.  On top 
of
that, the lab people say that a conductivity measurement will only provide 
a

"ball park" estimate of the concentration of silver in solution, and the
only way to know for sure is to spend the $200/sample and have it 
analyzed.


This is why I gave my results in uS/cm rather than PPM.

The main question is to determine what ion contamination can be introduced
into the solution when you heat it up.  If there is no contamination being
introduced, then it is reasonable to believe the concentration is being
increased by removing water from it.

Tom


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Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin

[Stephen Rose]

Don't let your keyboard hold you back.  I'm pretty reasonably happy with 
the $13 Logitech keyboard from Walmart.


http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5634441

You do need to be able to hook it up to usb, though.  But since I 
compute in the dark sometimes, I had to spring for the illuminated 
keyboard.  :-)


Steve


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/*From:*/ Fuzzmom 
/*Date:*/ 10/10/2009 7:32:24 AM
/*Subject:*/ Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin
 
I am visually impaired and i also have an old comp. with keys that 
stick. i am here for informationNot to criticize. I am sorry if posts 
are hard to read. And if this is how members feel I can unsub.
 
	





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Re: FW: CS>Liposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary

[Alvin Rose]

What product do you buy in a supermarket
or health food store which provides the soy lecithin..
I have not found any to purchase..Any help
would be appreciated..
A.R

- Original Message - 
From: "Gina Moore" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: FW: CS>Liposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary


Thanks.

Is the protocol I posted right?  Do I just substitue the same amount of
sodium ascorbate and you would ascorbic acid in the original version?
Gina


From: Melly Bag [mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: FW: CS>Liposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary

Gina,

After you dissolve lecithin and ascorbate in water, run them together in
blender before pouring into ultrasonic cleaner.

Melly

--- On Wed, 9/16/09, Gina Moore  wrote:

From: Gina Moore 
Subject: RE: FW: CS>Liposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 1:02 PM
Do you use the same amount of sodium ascorbate as you do ascorbic acid?
Meaning if you use 1tbs of ascorbic acid you'd use 1tbs of sodium ascorbate?

I really want to do this because I want as much Vit C in my system as I can
get! And I need to make sure I do it right, of course.

So the protocol would be:
1. Dissolve 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water
2. Dissolve 1 level tablespoon of SODIUM ASCORBATE powder in 1/2 cup
of water.
3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned
the unit on
Etc...

Is that right?

Thanks!
Gina


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Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Stephen Rose]

Sorry, not especially.  I've just read that it has a hard time getting 
through the digestive system.


Steve


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve?  I have been taking this but 
recently read that one should only take 20,000 active units of this 
because the effects are as yet unchartered.  Can't remember what expert 
it was who said this though.  It was on one of the hundreds of web sites 
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Re: CS>Re: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Stephen Rose]

I'm beginning to think that serrapeptase might benefit from this.

Steve


cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

How fortuitous is Brooke's DIY encapsulation project!

I subscribe to Dr Whitakers newsletter and the latest issue talks
about a new delivery system for curcumin.
I wouldn't have any idea of what it was except for our recent
discussion on this list.
Here is part of it lifted by Omnipage:

"Delivery System Makes a Difference

I've recommended curcumin and turmeric to my patients and subscribers
for years and have regularly taken supplemental curcumin myself.
There's only one problem—curcumin is notoriously poorly absorbed.
That's why many supplements also contain
quercetin and/or piperine, herbal extracts that enhance its
bioavailability.
The new form of curcumin that I've been using, called Meriva, employs
a special delivery system to ensure optimal bioavailability. Meriva is
a phytosome complex, which means-that the active ingredient is bound
to phosphatidylcholine in order to make it easier for your body to
absorb. This gives you a lot more bang for your buck. Studies have
demonstrated that just 450 mg of Meriva is equivalent to 4 g of
regular curcumin in terms of increasing blood levels."
Page 6  Vol. 19, No. 9

Looks like we are in on the ground floor of a new health revolution!

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Re: CS>11th Hour TV show

[Stephen Rose]

I saw that!  They even mentioned the words "colloidal silver" by name! 
I was stunned.  :-)



G Murray wrote:

Hey all,

Did anyone see the 11th Hour tv show where they had several victims had 
flesh eating disease.  The cure was to inject silver from a needle 
intravenously and they were all miraculously cured.  Amazing

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Re: CS>email question - OT

[Stephen Rose]

When you look at the copy of the message in your sent mail folder, does
the link appear highlighted in that message?

Steve


Dee wrote:
> Can I ask if anyone has Thunderbird on the list?  If so, and I hope I'm
> not going to upset anyone by asking, but can they tell me how I can get
> hyperlinks into the email I am sending.  I can receive them, but when I
> type an email going out, the link is not highlighted.  Thanx in
> advance.  dee


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Re: CS>Re: Linux

[Stephen Rose]

There may be an easier way to get into Linux for you.  The Linux
distribution that has the most momentum right now is Ubuntu.  This is
because Mark Shuttleworth, a gentleman that made his money in the
internet boom, started a company to take Debian Linux and refine it and
support it.  It's still free, but you can buy support if you need it.
This support is mostly for business, but the Ubuntu forums are quite
active and you can find answers for issues relatively easily.  Ubuntu
releases every six months (unlike Debian) and stays much more up to date
without running the bleeding edge version.  A lot of effort is put to
making the install process simple.  Also, you can boot the install cd
and try it out without installing it.  Go to:

http://www.ubuntu.com/

and check it out.  You'll probably want to start by downloading the
image of the install cd here:

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

You'll need to burn this to a cd, then boot from that cd to check it out
and/or install it.  I would start with a spare pc.  That would let you
run it until you get used to it.  There's a learning curve with these
things just everything.  :-)  I would suggest at least a one gigahertz
machine with 512 MB of memory.  It's possible to get along with less of
a machine, but it will be more painful.  I've run free operating systems
for many years and Ubuntu for the last few.  I'm still running some
Windows, but eventually I expect to be mostly Ubuntu.

Steve


Faith Gagne wrote:
> 
> Mike, thank you, thank you, thank you for your wonderful discourse on
> Linux. It is both encouraging and discouraging.  I've been both
> interested in and afraid of Linux for years.  I try, but like so many
> other computer users,  I am definitely not a techie.
> 
> Just yesterday I enlisted the help of my isp to install Thunderbird.  We
> ran into a snag that even he couldn't deal with.  I emailed the error
> messages to him and I am still waiting to hear from him.  He told me it
> would take him awhile to get back to me, which is okay with me.  I am
> sure we'll get there.  I am patient.
> 
> I have dozens and dozens and dozens of security updates and Windows XP
> hot fixes lodged in my control panel and there are more waiting to be
> installed. I realize that many of the existing installations may be
> outdated but it is beyond me to clean them out.  One of the latest
> updates has to do with time zone changes:  "8/2008 cumulative time zone
> updates for windows operating systems".  Many updates have pages and
> pages of instructions and references to pages and pages more of reading
> and instructions.
> 
> Who on earth has the time or the expertise to do this?
> 
> You are instructed to  "learn the situations in which you should
> download and run the time zone data update tool".  Huh?
> 
> I think there are probably millions of us who would jump at the chance
> to go with Linux if only we had the ghost of a chance of understanding
> it enough to get by with it.  I'd love it.  I am going to print out your
> message and start a Linux folder.
> 
> Thanks again Mike.  Faith G.


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Re: CS>A Little Humor

[Stephen Rose]

:-)


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Re: CS>we can make a difference

[Stephen Rose]

Clayton Family wrote:
boy do I hate this- I click to see the link, and the jerk won't let me 
read it unless and until I give him my email address. Forget it and 
forget him.


Disable Javascript (temporarily probably).  :-)  But I agree with you.

Steve


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Re: CS>neti pot

[Stephen Rose]

gwms...@optonline.net wrote:
Gee Steve thanks so much for the info.  The stainless sounds much better 
than plastic
but stainless as opposed to ceramic--weren't we talking some time back 
about various
alloys in stainless steel? 
 
Gladys 


The ceramic ones seem to get broken pretty easily and they don't usually 
hold enough to do the job.  You'll have to decide if you think that 
trace material from the stainless steel is a problem.  I use a certain 
amount of stainless steel in cookware and flatware and don't really plan 
to change.  Just my opinion.


Steve


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Re: CS>neti pot

[Stephen Rose]

gwms...@optonline.net wrote:
Where's the best place to buy a neti pot???  And do you reommend plastic 
or ceramic???


Here's the one I have.  I like it a lot.  It's stainless steel and not 
welded.  There's silicone gaskets where the pot and spout meet.  Very 
well made.


http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/product/neti.html

Steve


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CS>generator questions

[maniaka rose]

evening everyone,

a local shelter is going to purchase a cs gen.  i have been assigned
the task to find out what is available and would best meet their
needs.

cs production would have to be in gallon batches minimum.

will have to have manual override capabilities.

those of you that have gen's would you share your experiences.  i have
a gallon gen that is of dinosaur vintage so would appreciate input
from those driving newer models.

thanks so much,

rose


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Re: CS>MMs hoax or cure?

[Stephen Rose]

I'm sorry, this is not a viewpoint.  It's just a bunch of 
unsubstantiated statements.  I suppose it could be the result of a 
viewpoint.  This person has obviously done no research or had any 
personal experience.  You should take it for what it's worth.


Steve


gmetrop...@aol.com wrote:

Any validity to this statement found on another fourm?


Sometimes it is good to hear a different viewpoint. Regarding MMS: many 
of the scientific and chemical claims don’t make sense or are nonsense. 
chlorine dioxide is a good disinfectant, sure, but it is no mirace cure 
for anything. And while it is less toxic than chlorine it is still toxic 
and similar to chorine in many ways — including being a powerful 
oxidizing agent. For decades now people have been touting anit-oxidants 
for curing everything. Well guess what, an oxidizing agent is excatly 
the opposite and causes damage that anit-oxidants are supposed to 
protect you from. It doens’t make any sense. Basically just another 
health hoax.
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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

[Stephen Rose]

I wish him well on his journey.

Steve


Ode Coyote wrote:
...one of my "deadbeats" [the freekin genius] was found dead last night, 
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Re: CS>Useful weighing System for Measuring Protocol Components

[Stephen Rose]

This sounds really nice.  I'd like to have one.  But after diligently 
looking on Harbor Freight's site, I can't find it.  Do you have a more 
specific pointer?  Thanks.


Steve


Brooks Bradley wrote:
The recent activity relating to Jim Humble's work with Sodium Chlorite 
having
sparked much interest, prompts me to make a suggestion. Persons 
following Jim's stated protocols
find it very useful to possess an accurate weighing systemfor 
determining the correct portions of the various 
components.especially for making the chlorite solution. 
Unfortunately, economical, accurate, scale systems are rather rare. We 
have, for a number of years, used a number of small (half the size of a 
cigar box) solid brass gram weight scales.obtained at very low 
price, from Harbor Freight. The little system is stored in a
very attractive carrying case and includes the scale and post assembly, 
together with weights as small as .25 grams. I believe we paid about 
$12.00 each for these systems. The SKU item number was 36715. These 
units were made in India, I believe.

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Re: CS>cs as food preservative

[maniaka rose]

hi john,
our animal being sanctuary gets write off from the local organic
market.  champagne grapes at the write off stage mean serve now, like
within hours, or else.  i sprayed some with cs...not only did it kill
the already formed mold but kept them for a good three weeks...unheard
of.  they went from withering to looking like they just came off the
vine.

now i'm just trying to get ahead on cs production so i can send the
gen back to ken for modification.  it is one of his first 'make a
gallon' prototypes, made for us as a matter of fact...and has no
manual override.  like, i don't think it matters if we use our
wonderful well water for cs for food...or the animal beings for that
matter...like who would care if they got a little blue lol.

i am going to spray all our produce with it...and experiment on other
foods as well...so will let you know.

the milk trick...get donated milk also...thanks leslie for the reminder.

rose


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Re: CS>MMS

[Stephen Rose]

Another option is to get the MMS kit from:

http://www.globallight.net/

It's $50 plus shipping and handling and comes with 632.8 grams of sodium 
chlorite.  It's a little more expensive, but the convenience factor is 
pretty high.  It comes with the bottles, caps, labels, and instructions 
to make thirteen plus bottles of MMS.


Steve


Marshall Dudley wrote:
Fischer Scientific.  About $54 for 2 KG.  They messed up my order, I 
ordered 2 KG from the web site and they neglected to send me an email 
invoice. They said that it was not processed because they have a minimum 
order for $75, and that they would have to resubmit the order with a 
purchase of 4KG instead (it comes in 2KG container).  Well when it 
arrived, I got both, a total of about 6 Kg, which should probably last 
me about 1,000 years.  I am in the process of trying to send back the 4 
Kg box now.


2 KG should make about 7.15 KG of MMS, which is about 250 ounces (or 
about 62 4 oz. bottles of MMS).


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Re: CS>How to make Lugols

[Stephen Rose]

Due to impending regulation, I wouldn't approach it this way.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=889840#i

If you'd really like to get a quantity of Lugol's Iodine, you can order
from Clarkson Lab.

http://www.clarksonlab.com/sales.htm

You'll have to order by phone and order a $50 minimum to start an
account.  If you're outside of California, your Lugol's order will come
from Ricca Chemical in Texas because of a California law.  Once the new
DEA regulations take effect, you'll still be able to get a 5% potassium
iodide 2% iodine version of Lugol's in quantities greater than one
ounce.  But you'll have to hurry if you want traditional Lugol's in a
larger quantity.

Steve


Leslie wrote:
Where might we buy these two individually? This would be the cheapest 
way to go and could make up enough for 3 people to last a long time! Walah!

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RE: CS>Secret health and longevity practices

[rose]

i have to agree with the common sense of the wife.  the secret to the urine 
therapy is healthy eating.  even with the best of protocols our bodies would be 
eliminating so many toxins due to our present environment. 

then again, how many have really clean eating habits anyway.

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RE: CS>Secret health and longevity practices

[rose]

plus, i have a friend who is a holistic practitioner...when testing clients he 
found the ones who used urine therapy had an unusually high toxicity rating.

not writing anything in stone...just passing along what was told to me.

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Re: CS>Root Canals

[rose]

well, i take a different approach to teeth.  teeth are batteries for organs.
removal imho should be a last resort.  years ago hubby had an ingrown wisdom
tooth that erupted into an abscess over night.  his jaw got huge.  we knew it
would be several weeks before we could even find an oral surgeon...having to
wade thru so many charlatans and pick the lesser of evils.  hubby mixed dmso and
tea tree oil and applied several times a day.  in 24 hours the area had returned
to normal.  since he doesn't like surgery he left the tooth in for almost a
year.

i have a crown some 42 years.  over time the tooth has been sensitive on
occasion...and painful.  the dmso tea tree oil is very effective.  when the
tooth flares i look for the organ associated with the tooth as an indicator the
problem behind the symptom.

presently studying rife technology.  if you know of anyone who has a rife, good
rife, i would start there.  it is also possible that a simple electronic device
(have not studied the others) may benefit.

pulling the tooth would be my last resort, and only after i had tried everything
else.

for me it becomes do i remove the tooth and deal with the permanent diminished
battery source and early warning system for the organ or do i deal with
occasional bacterial conditions that i have always been able to successfully
address.

rose

Re: CS>Bob Berger has passed away

[rose]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:56:00 -0500, Rich Adams wrote:
> All posts on the silver list(s) regarding the memory of Bob were
> requested to be forwarded to Audrey.

i was wondering how to get a message to bob's wife about what he meant to me.  i
found out about his passing just before i was to leave for town for food
donation pick ups.  it hit me like a hard wave...inside my heart i feel quiet.

Dear Audrey,

we have an animal sanctuary for special needs animal beings.  when i began the
internet exploration many years ago the CS list was the second forum i found.  i
had tried silver over the years with mixed results, usually finding it
ineffective.  as i read i understood that the best silver i could use was the
silver i make.  Ode built us a prototype gallon gen that is still going strong
today.  I would read your husband's post and learned so much from them.  i so
appreciated his dry wit and cranky demeanor...might say we are kindred's in how
we approach the world.

i never communicated with your husband personally but i always treasured his
post.  he had an attention to detail that is impressive by any standards.
occasionally he would post about his condition and say he didn't know how much
longer he could hold out but that he would keep on going till the going stopped.

heart wise...i just felt his heart.  such a good, kind and loving heart.  even
when he would get frustrated he would always come back and give it one more go.
must have been frustrating for him because he always laid out the information so
clearly and just wanted folks to 'get it'.  he wasn't about smoke screens and
magic mirrors...'just the facts mam, just the facts'.

your husband has helped so many people...so so many.  he has also helped so many
animal beings...at our sanctuary many many hundreds.  he made this planet a
better place for his giving.

i always love reading melon-thomas benedict's story of how he was dead for at
least an hour, what he saw and how he now understands the cycle of life.  when i
read 'ole bob' had passed over i knew where he is and what he is seeing.

please know how much we all respected him and cared for him.  please know how
much we all extend our hearts to you.

with so much respect and affection,

rose

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

Re: CS>ot, need rife list

[rose]

naturally i would get more help on this list in one hour than i have received on
the other lists in 5 days.  maybe it is the CS that makes us such a reach out
and touch someone list *grin*.

am following up both leads...

thank you for being here,

rose

CS>ot, need rife list

[rose]

hi list,

last week we were gifted with a rife machine.  we are trying to figure out dials
etc.  i have joined 4 rife list (3 on yahoo and one phpbb) and only received one
comment for the top plates.  well, one 'reseacher' who did not bother to pan the
pic, did not see the rife part and said the machine was worthless.  i have been
spoiled by list such as this where newbies questions are not ignored.

does anyone here know of an active rife list that is a bit more, um, responsive?
i tried contacting nenah but her em is temp disabled.

any help most appreciated.  with our limited knowledge we have done a few
treatments on some critically ill animal beings at our sanctuary and it does
work.  we have also tried the machine and both hubby and i know it does work.
we just need to know more about it and what the dials and switches mean.

thanks so much,

rose

Re: CS>emu oil/humane farming practices

[rose]

neither site says anything about humane farming practices...doesn't anyone care
about that?

rose

Re: CS>Morgellon Type Illness

[rose]

On Mon, 29 May 2006 10:54:25 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> I've been looking at the "evidence" for chemtrails for more than 5
> years and have yet to see anything at all that stands up to
> scrutiny on those web sites.

i am stunned...just stunned.  growing up, watching planes in the sky, there was
never a tic tac toe pattern, a chemical smell, a contrail that within an hour
had erased all the billowy clouds, a contrail that expanded out and out till it
took up the sky.

then again...seeing is not believing eh?

you can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

rose

Re: CS>Using Honey for wounds

[Stephen Rose]

I'd be interested in hearing a little more about this.  Are these 
machines available in the United States?  It sounds like they have 
several uses.  Part of this may be that I'm interested in Japanese 
culture in general.  What do they use to make water alkaline?  What do 
they use to make it acid?  Thanks.


Steve Rose


Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
In Japanese hospitals, some doctors are also using highly acidic water 
made with the "alkaline water machines" popular here.  One can choose 
the pH of the water.   Very low pH is acidic and has been shown to be of 
use on bed sores and skin ulcers from diabetes.This method may be 
worth looking into also.


JBB


On Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006, at 05:41 Asia/Tokyo,  
wrote:



Thankyou Marshall,
I have been dealing with a deep ulcer on Hof's buttock for sometime.
(My partner with chronic MS.) The medical people have allowed me
to use CS and it has been very good.
I am going to fill the ulcer with Manuka Honey today.
Will keep you posted.
Marie.

Marshall Dudley  wrote:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-04/sp-hht040606.php

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Re: CS>Coconut Oil

[rose]

we just bought some coconut oil from this place

http://www.agbangakarite.com/whole_coconutoil.php

the quality is wonderful, smells heavenly, taste wonderful.  this is a fair
trade company which is in alignment with our preferences.  this is our first
shipment and we are very pleased with the company, there response staff and
their good vibes in general.  we ordered two gallons, it came packaged well and
in a timely fashion.  we did have to wait a few days for their fresh shipment to
come in.  below is a communication from them...

Thank you for your support and interest in our virgin coconut oil. All our
oils are food grade under the Togolese food regulation, but not under the
FDA. We ship your order out by Thursday as our new fresh shipment will
arrive tomorrow.
Thank you,


this site has some interesting info...

http://coconutoil.com/

we have stopped using any oil but coconut and olive...the palm oil is out of our
price range for now.  i did enjoy reading daddy bob's account of the distinct
flavors.

we were caring for a kitty with fatty liver disease...the stress of being dumped
set the condition in motion...and although he succumbed to fip, another
challenge he had, the addition of coconut oil to his food we attribute to his
lasting as long as he did in relative comfort.  we actually got the jaundice
cleared up...on the theory the coconut oil would help clean the liver and give
energy in his emaciated state.

we are exploring the oil issue in depth.  i know that i am always cold in winter
months and changing oils made for warm hands and feet...something i have never
had.  i had read some 30 years ago about rancid oils being one of the biggest
causes of all sorts of health challenges...but like all good things you
read...well, you know.  i will never go back to the garbage they sell to a
sleepy public.  coconut oil is such a minimal investment in our health and the
health of the animal beings at our special needs animal sanctuary when you
consider all the things you have to do to cope with ingesting rancid oils, or
just plain poly-unsaturated.   the oil is simply AMAZING.

rose

Re: CS>braces on teeth

[rose]

i had a gap in my front teeth that a wonderful dentist fixed for me eons ago.  
he used acrylic filling and just added a little to each tooth to fill in the 
gap.  as the acrylic fillings improve the time between sprucing the fillings 
diminishes.  

it is a very inexpensive (compared to braces) solution.  when i got older and 
had a bit more money i went to a dentist and he made a retainer, just the 
retainer, for my front teeth pulling them a bit more in alignment. he told me 
teeth move easily, which they do.  just kept going back every month for awhile 
as he reworked the retainer...in a few months i had the smile i always wanted.  
again, cost was minimal.  

you just need to find a dentist that still knows how to take care of teeth in a 
simple manner.  they are out there, you just have to look.

a rose...

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:46:18 -0700, V wrote:
>
>
> gaps in between teeth are in style these days so tell the
> ortidontists to go take a hike, and get a real job.
>
>
> Take care,
> V
>
>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>>>> My 15 year old daughter needs braces. At least, she has a gap
>>>> between
>>>>
>> her front teeth that needs closing. Of course we don't know what
>> else the orthodontist will imagine<<
>>
>
>> Dunno Mike. As a teacher of your daughter's age (a tiddy bitty
>> younger) I see loads of kids with these horrible irons on their
>> teeth, and to my opinion the teeth are not that badly placed.
>> Mind you: whether insured or not, these things cost an enormous
>> lot of money, which goes to ortodontist's pocket. How well is the
>> man based in his vocation? I am a bit afraid of the shining
>> brilliance of dee dollar, know what I mean?
>>
>
>> I (father of son + daughter, grandfather of shabby 4 year old
>> boy) would suggest to use your common sense: Have (yourself) a
>> good look a daughteree's teeth, and SEE for yourself (we are not
>> dumb laymen about matters) if an ortodontic intervention like
>> that is worth while, looking at what your daughter may have to go
>> through for a long time. What is the gap like .. does the girl
>> suffer from it? Do food remnants remain there? In short: are
>> braces really necessary?
>>
>
>> Hope to serve,
>>
>> Faith
>>
>> _
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Re: CS>CS>campylobacteriosis

[rose]

i am still having trouble with the search on the web site...anyone else having
that problem?  we had 2 dogs and 2 cats come down with campy...both dogs are
fine, lost both cats...at the time did not connect the dots or would have
started the same treatment for the cats also. the adult kitty we found collapsed
died within the hour, the kitten staggering around we thought was heat
exhaustion.  the only reason we can figure that we were not hit with an epidemic
is that temp we are hauling water so we are treating it for ecoli.  by all
rights we should have had at least 50% of the animal residents down with campy.
the ones that did get it, out of the 4, 3 were on the "good water" we hauled
from a neighbor so not treated with cs.  the campy was brought in with dogs that
were s/n on friday and by sunday we had campy.  we are trying to track down
anything we can to establish protocols that can be shared.  in other words, some
kind of documentation for the more research minded.  this could be some rather
ground breaking protocol for the rescues, kennels and others where animal beings
are gathered in numbers.  campy in dogs is referred to by various
names...mystery dog flu...mutated parvo that is resistant to vac...and other
imaginations.  parvo is a virsus, campy is a bacterial overgrowth.  campy makes
parvo look like a walk in the park.

if anyone can shed any light on this please...i have searched in online several
times and come up empty handed.

thanks

a rose...

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:13:28 -0500, rose wrote:
> hi list,
>
> i can't get the archive page to load and i need info on if silver
> will kill campylobacteriosis, and if so how much.  naturally we are
> using it anyway but would like information if possible.  two dogs
> have come down with this in two days and now i am feeling pretty
> clammy also.
>
> any help much appreciated,
>
> a rose...

CS>CS>campylobacteriosis

[rose]

hi list,

i can't get the archive page to load and i need info on if silver will kill
campylobacteriosis, and if so how much.  naturally we are using it anyway but
would like information if possible.  two dogs have come down with this in two
days and now i am feeling pretty clammy also.

any help much appreciated,

a rose...

Re: CS>ecoli water treatment sorta emergency

[rose]

thank you all for your valuable contributions.  we settled on one tablespoon per
gallon and wait at least 30 min but more towards an hour...just cause we are
moving so slow in this heat *grin*.

once again i am so profoundly grateful for our silver, our generator from ode
that time and time again makes wonderful silver even tho we have the older
prototype for a gallon that he designed for us...knowing he has made many
improvements since then but ours is like a timex...takes a  lickin and keeps on
tickin.

drill a new well...arg and hooray.  our well has never been the same since they
blasted a mile long tunnel three miles from here (for a new bypass) several
years ago.  when it rains heavy our water is almost mud...and increasingly more
of a sulfur smell.  hopefully with the new well we will have water improvement
quality.  in the process of reading about wells last night learned much valuable
info on collecting ground water...for the eventual time when electricity may be
absent.  there are more ways to collect it than on the roof...so an exploration
in progress.

now to check out the first well driller coming in a few...and already i don't
like him...as he is pushing for a well 200 feet more than we need...the good ole
boy sales pitch.  boy will he be surprised when he comes and all that i have
learned terms wise...gotta love the info highway of the internet.  this evening
the other fellow will call and these brothers come the most highly recommended
and only 50 cents more a foot.  from what i hear they don't push to over drill
and are very lovely to work with.  keeping fingers crossed.  i just have a real
aversion for the slick good ole boys...as i have dealt with them many times over
the years...they play on your ignorance.

again, thank you everyone...on both silver list...which i will cross post this
to the other list also.

a rose...

CS>ecoli water treatment sorta emergency

[rose]

hi list...just found out we will have to have another well drilled and will be
without water for 2 weeks...the fun never stops.  the water we are hauling is
from a local spring where everyone hauls water.  the fellow there tonight said
to treat for ecoli.  i searched the archives but cannot come up with the info i
need...the animal beings are very thirsty and am hoping for a quick answer on
how much per gallon to treat.  we have one of ode's generators...the ole bob
that is modified to make a gallon.

any help most appreciated...

a rose...

Re: CS>immigration laws

[rose]

sorry, previous post should have included subject...somehow i screwed that up by
not putting CS first.

a rose...

CS>

[rose]

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/07/18/opinion/commentary/71705195445.txt

CAFTA undermines immigration laws


By: TOM TANCREDO - Commentary

Congress will soon take up the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA),
which many see as an extension of NAFTA and a precursor to the Free Trade
Agreement of the Americas that would convert all of North and South America into
one integrated market.

Opinions about CAFTA's impact on the regional economy vary widely among members
of Congress based largely on what the agreement will do for their constituents.
But in the rush to highlight who wins and who loses when these trade barriers
come down, almost everyone has overlooked the troubling non-trade provisions
that are tucked into the voluminous document.

CAFTA would do more than just phase out tariffs and open new markets  a lot
more. For example, buried among its nearly 1,000 pages, the agreement contains
an expansive definition of "cross-border trade in services." This definition
would give people in Central American nations a de facto right to work in the
United States. CAFTA is more than a trade agreement about sugar and bananas. It
is a thinly disguised immigration accord.

The immigration provisions are cloaked as "service agreements" in the document
that have become standard fare in most trade agreements.

One article of CAFTA reads, "Cross-border trade in services or cross-border
supply of services means the supply of a service ... by a national of a party in
the territory of another party." CAFTA goes on to stipulate that member nations
take care to ensure that local and national "measures relating to qualification
requirements and procedures, technical standards and licensing requirements do
not constitute unnecessary barriers to trade in services," and to guarantee that
our domestic laws are "not in themselves a restriction on the supply of the
service."

What those provisions mean is that a foreign company would be empowered under
CAFTA to challenge the validity of our immigration laws. If an international
tribunal rules against us, Congress would then be forced to change our
immigration laws or face international trade sanctions. These tribunals have the
authority to rule that U.S. immigration limits, visa requirements, or even
licensing requirements and zoning rules are "unnecessary burdens to trade" that
act as "restrictions on the supply of a service."

This hidden legislation to open the U.S. border is only the beginning.

The chairman of the House Committee on Ways and Means, which oversees most
international trade matters, believes that these kinds of immigration provisions
are fair game for future trade deals as well.

If CAFTA were really just about trade, the agreement would be little more than a
few pages long, declaring that tariff treatment for U.S. and Central American
goods will be on a reciprocal basis. But it isn't. In reality, CAFTA is about
expanding a growing body of international law that supersedes our own.

If CAFTA is approved, Congress' "exclusive" authority to regulate immigration
policy will be subjugated to the whim of international tribunals and trade
panels  in much the same way that Congress' once supreme constitutional
authority to "regulate commerce with foreign nations," has already been largely
ceded to the WTO.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., is a member of the House International Relations
Committee.

CS>codex again

[rose]

well, i hear conflicting stories...on this list a member says he has been in the
supplement field for years and none of the big makers are really concerned. 
then yesterday a man from a bio-tech company locally told a different story.
his company processes raw ingredients and even has 3 prescription products.  he
said the big companies in the industry are very concerned and already some of
the manufactures are branching into other fields in anticipation of codex.  this
man is firmly entrenched enough in the field to be considered very
knowledgeable.  he said at the conventions he has attended, lunches he has been
at etc the talk is not one of lack of concern.  apparently there is A LOT of
concern...stress...a lot.

i think we need to keep our eyes and ears open.

a rose...

Re: CS>off topic

[rose]

i think it just depends on how google archives it...if you google brooks bradley
silver list it will take you right to his post...or any of the other members.
apparently the web crawler for the ot list has done the archiving just a little
differently.

a rose...

CS>codex question

[rose]

hi list,

when i posted my codex question forgot to do the subject line...i made it
yesterday.  would anyone in the know please comment on the states rights thing
in relation to codex...

i look to the insight of this list to collect opinions on if that would work to
keep our supplements.  i have a friend in calif who is not worried about codex
at all.  she would mention states laws but did not go into the detail of this
post i found elsewhere...

comments PLEASE.

a rose...

ps...i googled hilary...pretty damming stuff on reincarnation...jk.  don't worry
about it hilary...on the same page mike is talking about conspiracies and free
energy...i think they will come for him first *wink*.

CS>

[rose]

> hope maybe? comments?  i would love to believe we have some recourse.
>
>
> http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=74121
>
>
> CODEX? HA! THROW THE FEDS OUT OF YOUR STATE NOW!
> Posted By: Esclarmonde 
> Date: Monday, 4 July 2005, 10:38 p.m.
> THE COURTS HAVE SPOKEN! "Any legislation including the Patriot Acts
> which attempts to compel State Officers to execute Federal Law is
> unconstitutional. Further, any federal investigational liberties
> can be forbidden by the States’ highest law enforcement officer.
> Finally, any attempts by a federal agency to coerce compliance to
> such liberties can be grounds for arrest of any of their agents who
> do not comply with the directions of that officer."
> THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION (COURT CASES) WAS REQUESTED BY A STATE
> CONGRESSMAN FROM A NORTHERN STATE. IT IS THE SAME BASIC INFORMATION
> SENT TO THE GROUP FIGHTING THE FEDS OVER THE WATER IN THE KLAMATH
> RESERVOIR SEVERAL YEARS AGO. IT WAS USED TO TELL THE FEDS TO LEAVE.
> THEY APPARENTLY WEREN'T HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT THEY LEFT NONETHELESS.
> LINK TO THE KLAMATH DEBAUCLE:
> http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-
> bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=10183 THIS WOULD SEEM TO APPLY TO THE
> ENFORCEMENT OF THE PATRIOT ACTS, MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND ALL OTHER
> FEDERAL PROGRAMS/LAWS/ENACTMENTS. EVEN CODEX! STAND UP AND TELL THE
> FEDS TO GET OUT! THINK ABOUT IT! IS IT TIME? MAYBE YOU NEED TO SEND
> THIS TO YOUR STATE LEGISLATORS AND GOVERNOR...? [A quote from the
> Supreme Court Case below: "‘[T]he powers not delegated to the
> United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the
> States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the
> people.’"] Case Numbers, links and important 'snippets' are all
> below. Thanks to Adam Selene for his research and for recreating
> this for us in this most important time:
> 
> Attached as appendix “A” is a copy of one of the many newspaper
> reports citing the case law from the Federal District Court for
> Wyoming stating that the States top law enforcement officers
> (Sheriffs) there hold the authority to disallow Federal agents to
> operate in their counties. The Sovereign right and the top law
> enforcement officers of any of the other 49 Sovereign States, hold
> the same authority. This has never been challenged in any higher
> court, because no grounds will ever be found whereby a challenge by
> the Federal government can be made. One issue should be taken into
> account when using this case as precedent. In this case the State
> of Wyoming had specific wording in their State Constitution about
> who was the supreme law enforcement officer of the districts known
> as “Counties”, that of course being the “Sheriff”. In some states
> their State Constitution may appoint a different person, and it is
> necessary to identify who it is. Such a shift of authority to that
> person does not alleviate the Federal government from the
> requirement to obey them, should they use their authority. It also
> does nothing to change or negate any State’s standing as Sovereign
> in any manner. (Note: I would have quoted specific excerpts from
> the ruling I consider appropriate, but the Wyoming state law
> library database of Wyoming cases was offline for the Independence
> day weekend.
> The link is:
> http://wyomcases.courts.state.wy.us/applications/oscn/index.asp )
> Also attached as appendix “B” are excerpts from Printz ruling of
> Printz/Mack vs. US (BRADY BILL) Supreme Court of the United States,
> Case numbers 95-1503 and 95-1478, June 27, 1997. This case was
> filed by two Sheriffs, one from Wyoming and one from Montana, when
> Federal authorities tried to require Sovereign State employees
> (including County Sheriffs) to uphold federal legislation, under
> the Brady Bill. Through this challenge the Supremes ruled it
> unlawful and reminded the Federal government that previous rulings
> by the high court had previously forbidden this practice. The
> attached excerpts are most appropriate to this matter, because a
> concentrated program of awarding County Sheriffs either active or
> honorary U.S. Marshall positions is currently underway, in an
> attempt to make them subject to federal direction. This is clearly
> forbidden in the cited ruling excerpts. What this all boils down to
> is this: Any legislation including the Patriot Acts which attempts
> to compel State Officers to execute Federal Law is
> unconstitutional. Further, any federal investigational liberties
> can be forbidden by the States’ highest law enforcement officer.
> Finally, any attempts by a federal agency to coerce compliance to
> such liberties can be grounds for arrest of any of their agents who
> do not comply with the directions of that officer. Respectfully
> submitted, Adam Selene Freelance Legislative Researcher
> ***
> Appendix “A” Sheriff boots Feds from his county By Phil

Re: CS>fleas and ticks OT

[rose]

their ant bed is our roof...they have invaded under the shingles...we live in
the woods and everyone around here is having more ants then they have ever
seen...even in town.

can we say screwed up environment anyone?

ps...but we did try the grits hoping they would carry it back to the colony.
they take everything we offer and thrive...

we even tried putting sugar under the house so they will eat there instead of
our kitchen...it has helped a little...

h202 has been the most effective for repelling them from the counters...not a
total fix but has helped...dunno why tho.



On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:57:21 -0400, twllLL wrote:
> Put 2 or 3 cups of dry instant grits on the ant bed.It draws out
> their moisture when they eat it.
> It works most the time.
>

RE: CS>fleas and ticks OT

[rose]

as for ants: I use Aspartame
>

we tried that here...i think they liked it...as they have only grown in numbers.
 ha, and we spent so much time in inconspicuously (i hope) pocketing packets of
the junk from restaurants.

a rose...

but this from another list i am on just came in...

ants...

<<<<<

as for ANTS i heard this old guy on the sat morning garden show say that
the best thing for ants was human urine.  well i am not up to dealing
with buckets, so i invited a freiend with three small sons over and told
her to give them lots to drink. i think here would be no greater joy for
a small boy than for peedin against an outside wall to be a good thing.

<<<<<

i need to ask her if it worked...

Re: CS>fleas and ticks OT

[rose]

young living essential oils...a multilevel extravaganza...the usual bs...ours
are the only oils that wear white hats because...

when in truth they buy on the open market and there are wholesalers, i know one,
that won't sell to them because they are such cons.

a rose...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:12:29 EDT, marmar...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 6/14/05 4:27:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
> a_r...@centurytel.net writes:
>
>
>> yl is about money and greed, pure and simple.
>>
>
> OK -- does *yl* stand for young living?  And if so, what is that?
>  MA

Re: CS>fleas and ticks OT

[rose]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:23:36 -0400, Bonnie wrote:
> As a caution:  Do Not spray anything with essential oils in it on a
> cat or where they can get into it. Dogs are better, but I wouldn't
> go crazy with it.
>
> Bonnie


many years ago a young living rep, who was a long time friend (no longer) had us
use eo's on a sick kitty, with fatal results.  i learned quite by accident about
eo's and kitties...and tried to get yl, and the reps to change promoting that
policy, to no avail.  yl is about money and greed, pure and simple.

a rose...

Re: CS>fleas and ticks OT

[rose]

Owith a couple drops of a couple different kinds of
> essential oils.


next obvious question...would you per chance know the e oils?  keeping fingers
crossed *grin*

Re: CS>fleas and ticks OT

[rose]

no jim, i just read this today from a newsletter i sub to.  as soon as i can get
to town tho you can bet i am going to get some...and will report back.

a rose...

Re: CS>fleas and ticks OT

[rose]

oh geez, had not even thought to try it on ants...of which we are besieged.  the
little black ones are so bad this year they even used a tree limb to make a
convoy to my husbands truck and started a nest in his headliner...

a rose...

Re: CS>fleas and ticks OT

[rose]

hi list,

i know this is OT, but since the season is upon us...just ran across this bit of
info on a newsletter.  if it works we have a eureka!

<<>>


a rose...

Re: CS>The Unfortunate Incident

[a rose...]

cool...welcome back.

a rose...


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave

[a rose...]

At 11:24 AM 3/9/2005 +0900, you wrote:
Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy,  but I have one 
comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about 
health issues:  be sure that any "attacks" do not invite or advocate violence.


hum, then you might want to make this suggestion to our government.


I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur posted 
on the the Matrixcide web site.


well, pasture did a lot of harm to a lot of folks...so maybe some folks get 
a bit steamed.


  The author of this sometimes highly intemperate essay at times clearly 
advocates physical violence against MD's involved in vaccination 
programs.The author unambiguously advocates shooting them.   This is 
not a mere rhetorical device or hyperbolic outburst;  the author 
evidently is quite sincere in advocating the deaths of those who would 
impose vaccination.   He makes this statement several times in the essay.


i have not read the essay, but there are folks that take strong issue with 
forced vaccination feeling that the vaccination will harm them and their 
children with lifelong illness if not death.



I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web 
site.   Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such advocacy 
without taking the trouble to distance himself from such comments runs the 
risk of being seen as a potential source of violence himself.


so, that would be personal choice, right?

  Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely worried 
about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and worry 
about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to follow 
epidemiological guidelines might imperil others.


ah, the "necessary" measures...and i just wonder who will start the 
epidemic/pandemic?


This whole issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the 
best people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the 
proper course of action in an emergency.


again, hum, and who will "manufacture" the emergency.


The point here is simple, though:
if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors would 
make me very worried indeed.   I would want law enforcement people to keep 
an eye on those advocating such actions.


homeland "insecurity" is recruiting ordinary folks to do just that, keep an 
eye on your neighbors.  let's all join.



In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and anyone 
doing wrong need to be exposed.   However, those who advocate violence are 
very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to bring unwanted 
attention to themselves and others associated with them.


again, might want to offer that suggestion to our government.  as it is the 
US now has unwanted attention and we are all at risk by being associated 
with them.



I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that has 
brought about the controversy.


i think mike is full aware of most all that goes on.  hum, what should he 
do, slap someone on the wrist?


but if i don't stop i might get slapped on the wrist...sorry mike.  i am 
zipping it up.  sometimes you just can't refuse tho, ya know?


a rose...






On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:


Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents...

"... an anti-establishment political philosophy..."

"... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System..."



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Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave

[a rose...]

everything i read in the open letter to the list was mean spirited and had 
nothing to do with helping anyone, anywhere.


"This act of controlled folly is my gesture to you, the Silver List."

why make a gesture to the Silver List...what has the list done to you?  in 
any list there will be a diversity of visions, beliefs and behaviors.  yet 
we come together to try and form a cohesive unit to accomplish something 
more than living in our own little boxes, making our imaginary wars with 
each other.  you drive thru neighborhoods knowing that most folks don't 
even know their neighbors...maybe the ones on either side, maybe even 
across the street...but neighbor-hood? not really.  how can we ever expect 
to make a change on a world scale when we lie in wait to ambush someone or 
some list...


in this sandbox i want my way or no way.  love the grandstanding...i will 
just leave.


fine...apply for a job in politics...seems to be the norm there...my way or 
the highway.


i find this so saddening...and even more so by the "me too", and "me three"...

i have said it for years, and sigh, years...humans, think like a herd and 
act like a pack.


very big sigh,

a rose...


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Re: CS>Codex -- 1000 mg Vit."C" into STORE!?

[a rose...]

ha, thought i sent this to the list but it sent to a private email...i have 
to watch that.


don't forget that there are other plants that are excellent sources of vit 
c, like homegrown bell peppers and tomatoes...while waiting for the roses 
to take hold consider growing some high octane plants and juicing...totally 
assimilative.


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Re: CS>Help for Wilma?

[a rose...]

virus, fungi, yeast, bacterial infections all have one common 
component...they must have a food to survive.  to have a system under such 
assault is to say there is an abundance of food (waste) in her system to 
support these situations.  nothing less than a full liver detox and kidney 
detox will have any  real desired effect.  remedies will only treat the 
symptoms.


actually the virus, fungi, yeast, bacteria are the body's way of 
maintaining homeostasis...as these agents act as the garbage men of the 
system.


nothing less than a full understanding of the liver, kidney and lymphatic 
systems and cleaning and restoring them will bring any relief. to that end, 
a through web search for all the different modalities to cleanse would be 
advised.  there are products you can buy, but you can also make your 
own.  she can look up liver cleanse (olive oil, lemons, garlic) or Epsom 
salts just to name two.


also to look up parasite cleanses.no doubt she has a parcel.

also dehydration is an issue for her...

http://www.grandtimes.com/Water_Cure.html
http://www.watercure2.org/index.htm

a rose... 



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CS>test

[a rose...]

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[a rose...]

moving to dsl...back soon.


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Re: CS>Rejoining List. Brooks.

[a rose...]

oh Brooks, i am so happy to see you back.  We have had so much going on 
here it is all i can do to save the list to file and get around 
"tuit".  tonight i have a few brief moments so pulled up the list.  the 
very first thing i looked for was signs of you.  I hit subject, it went 
alphabetical, then i scanned for you.  I have thought of you so very often 
since your life altering events of last year.  I have so many of your wise 
post saved in a Brooks folder and always look to your wisdom when i am 
trying to solve a problem.  You are one of the very dearest human beings i 
have had the good fortune to learn from.  I am very sorry about your friend 
and know it must be very hard to bid a temporary adieu.  I am 55 now and i 
tell my younger friends that i am grateful to be closer to the exit than i 
am to the entrance.  there is a peace in having passed the line from coming 
in to going home.  i would not trade the beauty of youth for the wisdom 
that increases with each year.  a very dear friend sent me this last 
week.  it came at the perfect time as i had been crying, sobbing, over the 
increased Patriot act signed on dec 10th, or was it the 11th? ( i am also 
behind on the news) it all seems so crazy.  when i read this link a peace 
filled my being.



<http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html>http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

welcome back dear man, welcome back.

love,

a rose... 

Re: CS>Ol Bob revealed!

[a rose...]

This is great, THANK YOU...

 a rose...


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Politics on the Silver List...

[a rose...]

At 10:17 PM 9/19/2004 +0005, you wrote:

Politics don't play well here, folks. Y'all done been warned now,
y'hear?



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CS>vac question

[a rose...]

Hi everyone,

On another list, holistic pet, a Dalmatian has been rescued from a local 
shelter, but will be vac as it is standard policy before release.  I 
vaguely remember from this list to apply, here is where I get foggy, either 
dmso, silver or is it dmso and silver mixed, to the site to neutralize the 
vac.  Did an archive search but can't find the info.  It was when we were 
all discussing the smallpox vac.


Your help is always so appreciated,

a rose...


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CS>vac question

[a rose...]

Hi everyone,

On another list, holistic pet, a Dalmatian has been rescued from a local 
shelter, but will be vac as it is standard policy before release.  I 
vaguely remember from this list to apply, here is where I get foggy, either 
dmso, silver or is it dmso and silver mixed, to the site to neutralize the 
vac.  Did an archive search but can't find the info.  It was when we were 
all discussing the smallpox vac.


Your help is always so appreciated,

a rose...


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Re: CS>quick riches

[Alvin Rose]

Hi Terry
If you want to find out about this type of scam coming
from the U.K go to Google and enter scams U.K
Also beware of the Nigerian Scams as they are very active.
They are looking for your Bank Information and can clean
out your account..with the promise of quick money.
A.Rose

Terry Chamberlin wrote:


I’ve been through an interesting experience during the
last 2 weeks. I got an email about 2 weeks ago asking
me to be an agent for a company in the UK that needed
me to process payment checks for them. In return, I
would get to keep 10% of what I processed. I didn’t
believe it was legitimate, but went along with it to
see what would happen, when they would ask me for
money. I kept getting phone calls telling me that a
check was coming to me, and to deposit it into my
account. They would tell me who to write a check to
afterwards. I still thought I would never see any
check, but would be asked for money. But, last Friday,
a courier truck came up my driveway and handed me a
big envelope. Inside it was a check made out to me for
$34,000!

I wasn’t sure what I should do. On the one hand,
$3,400 (my commission) would have paid for most of my
daughter’s braces. On the other hand, I was afraid of
the attention depositing such a big check could draw
to me. Plus, how would I convince the gov't I didn't
owe income tax on the whole amount? Besides, I
fingured it was just some kind of money laundering
thing. I finally emailed the man on Sunday and told
him to send me an address to send him back his check.
I haven’t heard from him, and don’t really expect to.
So I will keep the check as a souvenir. A $34,000
check! I know it’s worthless, but it looks kool.


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Re: CS>Skin Cancer

[Alvin Rose]

Hi Listers
You don't have to buy Cansema as you can make it
yourself and it works quite well.
http://www.zetatalk.com/health/theax020.htm
Follow the instructions
A.R

Acmeair wrote:


try this.  got it from a google search "can-x black salve"

http://www.canxproducts.com/

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:43 PM
Subject: CS>Skin Cancer


 


Hi Jim,

Is Can-X the same thing as Cansema?  If so, where can it be bought?

My sister tried Cansema on the bridge of her nose on what looked like a
black freckle.  What a reaction this was!  Clear and gone now!  Another
   


spot
 


didn't react at all so this says it wasn't cancer.

The FDOA is responsible for more deaths than all the inmates on death row!
We need a special place to put these devils.  I suggest something like the
middle of the desert without water.

Thank you,

Jean Baugh

***

   


try can-x or cansema. cansema might not be available anymore because of
 


our
 


friendly FDA,  and i have personally witnessed can-x taking out a skin
cancer. 14 days and it was gone.

jim


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Re: CS>Copper and algae

[a rose...]

We heard that too...but then found out it was some kind of algae that 
would not be growing in the water dishes...wish I could remember, it was 
so long ago.  When I first moved here the pond was, and still is, an algae 
haven.  I had an old dog with skin problems who immediately went to the 
pond and sat in the algae water, drank it on a regular basis 
also.  Figured he knew best what he needed.  Guess need to research it 
again so I know more about what I can't remember lol...


a rose...



I used to think algae was good too but then someone told me algae can be
deadly to the animals.  Not sure why but if someone tells me this, I sure
don't want to take any chances when I know clean, clear water won't hurt
them.

Jean Baugh





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Re: CS>Copper and algae

[a rose...]

Interesting, we encourage algae growth here, believing in the healing 
properties of the algae...


a rose...


I don't know the answer to this question but I can say I use copper 
tubing, just coiled up and dropped in my large animal watering tub to keep 
algae from forming.





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RE: CS>Magnetic pulser group

[a rose...]

Can you tell me why this happened?

thanks,

a rose...

At 08:35 AM 3/14/2004, you wrote:

The "new" group called the power-pulser list was started but went out of
business for good immediately after it started.





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Re: CS>Magnetic pulser group

[a rose...]

I am still getting mail from the original list, but the new one formed 
seems to not be formed yet, if ever...I had just signed on to the original 
list and then got the we are splitting into two list notices...signed up 
for both by hitting reply but never got subbed...so went to the link on 
yahoo and resubbed for magpulser...like I said, the other list that was 
supposed to form apparently did not.


will be most interested to know what experience you have with the pulser if 
you would be so kind to keep us updated...


thanks,
a rose...

   * 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Magpulser/>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Magpulser/ 


At 03:53 PM 3/13/2004, you wrote:

Hi Terry:
--- Terry Chamberlin  wrote:
> I was a member of the magnetic-pulser list, which
> became the power-pulser list. Yahoo says there is no
> such thing as either group now.
>
> Does anyone know what is going on? I am building a
> large magnetic pulser and have all the parts, but
> need
> some info. There were photos, etc., I wanted to
> reference, but no groups to access. Help.
>
> Terry Chamberlin
>
>
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Re: CS>Off Topic But Confusing

[a rose...]

I am getting mail from the yahoo groups subbed to...however on cs cats/dogs 
got a too many emails bounced thing friday...which was not the case, and 
upon resetting the account got a worm block error...it was the only group 
that I got that message from, and apparently the only one in the group that 
got that message...


perhaps multiple issues at yahoo...

hope this helps,

a rose...

At 11:08 AM 3/13/2004, you wrote:

Yahoo and Hotmail servers are down, cause unknown.

- Original Message -
From: "Grant" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: CS>Off Topic But Confusing


> I am on about 10 other groups.. (Yahoo Groups)..
> I have not recieved email from any of them past 2 days.
> Just checked my settings at Yahoo.. All seem ok.
> Any one else having this problem?
>
Grant..
>
>
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Re: CS>[List Owner] WARNING!!! VIRUS...

[a rose...]

Darn, the virus never made it to my list collection...feel left out 

Just in case you need this info to see what filters are working where...

a rose...



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Re: CS>: unsolicited attachment?

[a rose...]

It is called virus...
I never open any attachment, and god forbid any exe. file, unless I know 
the person and have been told it was coming, not just from a familiar email 
account.  Had one friend that a virus got in her computer and it sent out 
the virus to everyone on her address list, common.  On some of the yahoo 
groups this morning there was a virus link being sent out...follow this 
link to check on your email account for security...worded a bit more 
discrete tho in hopes some will follow and open...and sigh, some will.  But 
at least the list community is becoming more savvy.  Apparently with the 
yahoo thing this morning some ones are targeting list to send viruses 
to.  Must be a slow day for them...



a rose...

a rose...At 12:06 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote:

i have recieved a .exe attachment thru silverlist from the address below.
whassa deal?

On Mar 4, 2004, at 12:25 PM, gvagraph...@adelphia.net wrote:






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CS>test

[a rose...]

test, checking posting glitch...



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CS>double post

[a rose...]

sorry everyone, don't know why my post are doubling...first the silver 
robot tells me I am not subscribed, then it double sends my messages...


will check with mike...

a rose...




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Re: CS>Re: Colloidal Silver ppm reading in Oz

[a rose...]

Well, probably several post then from various sources, as I posted recently 
about cs and acrylic fillings...having been warned that silver turns 
plastic gray, then said it was at the time I was buying oz silver, at 150 
ppm.  I remember the woman who wrote to the list about her argyria, had a 
few pms with her.  Since she felt she got nowhere with oz, I called the rep 
I always dealt with and sent her copies of the information.  Shortly after 
that the ppm was reduced to 100 ppm...when I inquired as to why got a big 
"dunno" and the label was changed to take only for limited time, instead of 
take every day and this will never hurt you sort of thing.  That was the 
beginning of my disillusionment with oz...they originally told me I could 
take tons of silver with no ill effects, just to be aware that it turns 
plastic, formica etc, gray.  So naturally  I never used it as a hold in 
your mouth wash.  After lots of research, and discussion on the list, and 
Frank's test results, came to the understanding the silver I make is the 
best for me.  That is why I now want to try it for a mouth wash...but had 
still wondered if anyone got gray teeth...
According to the oz site I checked tonight it is still being sold at 100 
ppm.  They also sell a concentrate (one quart = a gallon) that is 400 ppm. 
Curious as to where you got the 15 ppm?


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Re: CS>teeth-need help-cs

[a rose...]

Hi Sandee...

Begging  yours...or did you mean because it is silver citrate?

http://www.wateroz.com/minerals/Silver.htmAt

tested by Frank Key...results, silver citrate...

a rose...





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