CS>Diabetes

[Bruce Anderson]

Anyone know anything about 'The Diabetes protocol 2'?   i know it's off 
topic, but i sure could use the help.

Bruce A


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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Brooks Bradley]

  Dear Melly,
   Each session will vary somewhat (usually between 20 and 30
minutes) basede upon individual cases.  If one has
plenty of time.45 minutes is excellent .   Remember, the DMSO is a
critical componentas it determines both speed and
effectiveness of EIS transfer and O2 penetration.Performing the protocol
three times each 24 hours proved most effective
especially in long-standing cases.  Otherwise, twice daily gave quie
acceptable results.  In most cases, tissue granulation became visibly
evident within 4 to 5 days.  Granulation  is quite easy to seeas the
tissue in the rim surrounding the ulsce will begin to present  a pinkish
flesh-tone color and the purple/redness classically presenting from these
surface ulcerations fades in-concert..as the new tissue generation
proceeds.  This simple protocol succeeded sometimes.when all else had
failed.  The general protocol , in a majority of cases, will be required
for the entire period necessary for complete---satisfactory, resolution.
This means, until the ulcer is completely closed and healed, requiring .
  One may obviously assume that a sufferer of peripheral; neuralgia
extremity and'or its complications would be well-served to utilize "quality"
compression stockings on a continuing (probably permanentlybasis).   I have
employed them continuously for the immediately-past  15 years---
with nothing but SPLENDID results.
   I wish you the very best in your personal, experimental, health
maintenance   program.
 Sincerely,  *B*rooks

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Melly Bag  wrote:

> Hi Brooks,
>
> Thank you so much for giving us info on remedies for diabetes
> complications.
>
> How long should each session of the EIS/DMSO/Oxygen last, and how many
> times a day?
>
> I truly appreciate all your wonderful posts. You are a God sent to us.
>
> Melly
>

CS>Diabetes

[Melly Bag]

Hi Brooks,
 
Thank you so much for giving us info on remedies for diabetes complications.
 
How long should each session of the EIS/DMSO/Oxygen last, and how many times a 
day?
 
I truly appreciate all your wonderful posts. You are a God sent to us.
 
Melly

Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[Guyot Léna]

Or, you can get Naltima (Naltrexone) from alldaychemist.com, without a  
prescription, dissolve one tablet in 50ml of distilled water and then  
use a ml. dropper to measure your DIY compounded LDN. This is actually  
superior to going to a compounding pharmacy where often unsuitable  
fillers are added as well.

Be well,
Léna
On Jun 2, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Donna M Lewis wrote:

I used to take LDN for an autoimmune disorder that I have, so I can  
give you

details of a good compounding pharmacist if needed.

Donna

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From: Del [mailto:d...@altsystem.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 12:54 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

Gladys:

According to Dr. Whitaker, LDN seems to really help with lymphedema.
http://whitakerwellness.com/our-therapies/low-dose-naltrexone/content/story/
Improvements-in-Lymphedema.html
LDN has been discussed extensively on this list.
You can also learn about it here:
http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/

Del
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Gladys Williams wrote:

Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have
Lower Limb Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This
has created a very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.
Have taken two courses of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has
two blisters. I'm really scared,
any advice??   Gladys







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RE: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[Donna M Lewis]

I used to take LDN for an autoimmune disorder that I have, so I can give you
details of a good compounding pharmacist if needed.

Donna

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From: Del [mailto:d...@altsystem.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 12:54 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

Gladys:

According to Dr. Whitaker, LDN seems to really help with lymphedema.
http://whitakerwellness.com/our-therapies/low-dose-naltrexone/content/story/
Improvements-in-Lymphedema.html
LDN has been discussed extensively on this list.
You can also learn about it here:
http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/

Del
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Gladys Williams wrote:
> Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have 
> Lower Limb Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This 
> has created a very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  
> Have taken two courses of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has 
> two blisters. I'm really scared,
> any advice??   Gladys
>
> 




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Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[Del]

Gladys:

According to Dr. Whitaker, LDN seems to really help with lymphedema.
http://whitakerwellness.com/our-therapies/low-dose-naltrexone/content/story/Improvements-in-Lymphedema.html
LDN has been discussed extensively on this list.
You can also learn about it here:
http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/

Del
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Gladys Williams wrote:
Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have Lower 
Limb

Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This has created a
very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  Have taken two 
courses
of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm really 
scared,

any advice??   Gladys







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Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[Brooks Bradley]

   Dear Gladys,
 Peripheral neuralgia is a common...and
seriouscomplication of diabetes
insults.  We have conducted extensive research on alternative
protocols for addressing
 the ancillary insults accompanying diabetes challenges.  We did, in
fact, develop several
simple, effective protocols which yielded quite helpful results.  I
will outline, briefly. a couple of the
more effective ones:   First, a brief statement of what actually is
manifesting to cause the extremities
swelling:  any for of insult which causes the return blood supply
(venous, returning to the heart) to not be fully scavenged (returned
to the heart)will allow the blood to pool  and various components
to leaking into the surrounding tissue beds (this is, generally, most
pronounced the further away from the heart that you get).
Any bodily geometry which allows the extremity to be elevated
upwards.more nearly to level with the heart---
is, generally, quite beneficial in reducing/controlling the edema
(swelling itself).  Poorly-closing or leaking valves in the veins
greatly exacerbate this condition (older persons, especially those
losing lean muscle mass more rapidly.encounter more challenging
conditions.than do others
One, quite simple protocol which has demonstrated to be of
PRONOUNCED aid for this, particular, insult is the use of compression
hose/stockings.
These are special stockings which apply constant  compression on the
foot, ankle and calf  (at a preset level).which aid measurably in
controlling/preventing a large measure of the fluid escape into the
tissues surrounding the major veins in the legs and feet.   We hae
found that Ames Hosiery
Company is one of the better suppliers of quality stockings (and MUCH
CHEAPER IN PRICE). One has to make a general determination as to what
compression level to use.  We have found that, generally, 20 hg
(actually, a measure in millimeters of pressure) compression factor is
about the minimum
effective level.  If the swelling is quite pronounced and completely
fills te normal indentures around the ankle bonethen around 30 hg
would be required.
In my own case  (I had a pronounced pre-diabetic condition which
pre3sented about 20 years ago...and the compression hose proved a
God-send in my case) I utilized 30 hg compression strength and
achieved EXCELLENT control of the swelling.  I wore the stockings
during the day and removed them at night, just before I went to bed.
I replaced them in each morning, upon arising.  We utilized this
technique on a number of our volunteersall with qujite
effective result.and some---as in my casewith total effective control.
We found that the SURGICAL WEIGHT hose were FAR more effective
and lasted MUCH  longer before wearing out  (many months).  Unless




On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Gladys Williams  wrote:
> Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have Lower
> Limb
> Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This has created a
> very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  Have taken two courses
> of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm really
> scared,
> any advice??   Gladys
>
>


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Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[sol]

Gladys Williams wrote:
Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have 
Lower Limb

Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This has created a
very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  Have taken two 
courses
of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm 
really scared,

any advice??   Gladys


I hope you are not on the ADA recommended diet for diabetics? My 
personal opinion is that unless you get blood sugars under very good 
control you may find yourself continually battling this 
condition...take a look at this website:

www.bloodsugar101.com

You may already know all this, so sorry if I am redundant.
sol




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[Jonathan B. Britten]

By the way, the treatment was administered in a hospital, and supervised by 
doctors and nurses, including the surgeon who would have done the amputations.  
  The same show demonstrated the use of the acidic water on elderly bid-ridden 
patients with (painful to see!) bedsores.   The cure was nothing more than 
cotton gauze soaked in acidic water and applied to the sores.   

The alkaline water also reportedly aided digestion and greatly reduced 
unpleasant odor in the diapers of these old people.   The hospital had 
large-scale units to make lots of this water, which also had uses in the 
kitchen -- to sanitize food.








On 2011/06/02, at 12:31, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

> A Japanese news show several years ago showed a working man whose feet were 
> badly damaged by poor circulation from diabetes.  Amputation of part of the 
> foot seemed unavoidable.   Had that come to pass he'd have been unemployable. 
>  
> 
> Soaking the feet in acidic water produced by an "alkaline water machine" 
> saved his feet.   The acidic water eliminated the gangrenous tissue and 
> normal skin tissue grew back.  Moreover, drinking large quantities of 
> alkaline water reduced his need for insulin dramatically.He was able to 
> return to work.   
> 
> The news show is a well-known and reputable program, and the video footage 
> was obviously bona fide.  It was an impressive segment.  
> 
> 
> 
> On 2011/06/02, at 9:44, Gayla Roberts wrote:
> 
>> Try Vick's Vapor Rub on your feet every night. It will help circulation.
>> Gayla
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Gladys Williams
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:54 PM
>> Subject: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM
>> 
>> Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have Lower 
>> Limb
>> Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This has created a
>> very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  Have taken two courses
>> of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm really 
>> scared,
>> any advice??   Gladys
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[Jonathan B. Britten]

A Japanese news show several years ago showed a working man whose feet were 
badly damaged by poor circulation from diabetes.  Amputation of part of the 
foot seemed unavoidable.   Had that come to pass he'd have been unemployable.  

Soaking the feet in acidic water produced by an "alkaline water machine" saved 
his feet.   The acidic water eliminated the gangrenous tissue and normal skin 
tissue grew back.  Moreover, drinking large quantities of alkaline water 
reduced his need for insulin dramatically.He was able to return to work.   

The news show is a well-known and reputable program, and the video footage was 
obviously bona fide.  It was an impressive segment.  



On 2011/06/02, at 9:44, Gayla Roberts wrote:

> Try Vick's Vapor Rub on your feet every night. It will help circulation.
> Gayla
> - Original Message -
> From: Gladys Williams
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:54 PM
> Subject: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM
> 
> Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have Lower 
> Limb
> Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This has created a
> very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  Have taken two courses
> of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm really 
> scared,
> any advice??   Gladys
> 
> 

Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[Vigilius Haufniensis]

Cayenne and acupuncture will help too.



On 6/1/2011 7:44 PM, Gayla Roberts wrote:

Try Vick's Vapor Rub on your feet every night. It will help circulation.
Gayla

- Original Message -
*From:* Gladys Williams <mailto:gwms...@optonline.net>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:54 PM
    *Subject:* CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I
have Lower Limb
Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This has
created a
very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  Have taken
two courses
of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm
really scared,
any advice??   Gladys

Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[jaxi]

If you want to improve circulation and fast regular niacin ... holy cow
batman ... hurts so good as they say ... but opens the small capillaries
close to the skin ... major circulation booster ... and the flush passes ...
you even get sorta used to it and as your circulation improves the flush is
less and lasts less long.  My feet are no longer ice blocks at night.

Jaxi

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Gayla Roberts  wrote:

>  Try Vick's Vapor Rub on your feet every night. It will help circulation.
> Gayla
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Gladys Williams 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:54 PM
> *Subject:* CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM
>
> Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have Lower
> Limb
> Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This has created a
> very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  Have taken two
> courses
> of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm really
> scared,
> any advice??   Gladys
>
>
>

Re: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[Gayla Roberts]

Try Vick's Vapor Rub on your feet every night. It will help circulation.
Gayla
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gladys Williams 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:54 PM
  Subject: CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM


  Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have Lower 
Limb
  Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This has created a 
  very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  Have taken two courses
  of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm really 
scared, 
  any advice??   Gladys

CS>DIABETES FOOT PROBLEM

[Gladys Williams]

Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  In addition I have 
Lower Limb

Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily.  This has created a
very very serious circulation problem in my big toe.  Have taken two 
courses
of antibiotics  and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm really 
scared,

any advice??   Gladys

Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[Ode Coyote]

  It has also been noted that in 100% of gastric bypass patients that had 
the upper part of the stomach removed and also had even severe Diabetes, 
didn't have it any more, at all, in about 2 days after the surgery.


Ode


At 10:39 AM 2/23/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Dear Jonathan
Thank you. I will look further into this. Blessings Karen Conrad
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes Question


I once read that MDs using adult stem cell therapy have cured diabetes, 
restoring the pancreas to normal condition.  The cells came from the 
patient's nostrils.I have not read follow-up on this report and can't 
vouch for its accuracy.


On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 04:22 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad wrote:

unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully 
this info can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad


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Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[Jonathan B. Britten]

You're very welcome.  Since this is of interest, I'll add what I  
recall:  the work was done in South America -- Brazil perhaps -- and  
claimed that after the therapy,  the Islets of Langerhans  in the  
pancreas  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islets_of_Langerhans) were  
restored, and produced insulin.


The Google search starts here:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox- 
a&hs=80R&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ei=14uES_iDFYH-7AORj- 
BL&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAcQBSgA&q=stem+cell+thera 
py+restores+islets+of+langerhans&spell=1



Good luck!NB a Japanese new program some years ago showed a working  
man with severe diabetes, about to have his foot amputated, who  
reportedly greatly reduced his insulin injection requirements by  
drinking several liters of "alkaline water" per day.   The water is  
popular in Japan, with machines available in all electronic stores.
(The acidic water these machines produce also healed his gangrenous  
foot, and he walked out of the hospital and back to the job.)













On Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010, at 00:39 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad  
wrote:



Dear Jonathan
Thank you. I will look further into this. Blessings Karen Conrad
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan B. Britten"  


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes Question


I once read that MDs using adult stem cell therapy have cured  
diabetes, restoring the pancreas to normal condition.  The cells came  
from the patient's nostrils.I have not read follow-up on this  
report and can't vouch for its accuracy.
On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 04:22 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad  
wrote:
unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully  
this info can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad

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[Karen and Jerry Conrad]

Dear Jonathan
Thank you. I will look further into this. Blessings Karen Conrad
- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes Question


I once read that MDs using adult stem cell therapy have cured diabetes, 
restoring the pancreas to normal condition.  The cells came from the 
patient's nostrils.I have not read follow-up on this report and 
can't vouch for its accuracy.




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wrote:


unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully 
this info can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad



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Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I once read that MDs using adult stem cell therapy have cured diabetes, 
restoring the pancreas to normal condition.  The cells came from the 
patient's nostrils.I have not read follow-up on this report and 
can't vouch for its accuracy.




On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 04:22 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad 
wrote:


unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully 
this info can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad



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[Karen and Jerry Conrad]

unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully this info 
can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad
  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:15 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes Question


  read these sites:

  http://www.holisticonline.com/remedies/diabetes/diabetes_herbs.htm

  http://www.ayurvediccure.com/diabetes.htm

  There are two substances that have been shown in scientific studies to cure 
type 1 diabetes if it is caught early enough. These two substances are 
niacinamide and vitamin E. Exactly how soon the diabetes has to be caught is 
not known. Generally, 80% of the beta cells are dead before the diabetes is 
caught, so anyone who has been taking insulin for less than about a year should 
try these two substances immediately.

  There were two scientific studies on niacinamide and Type 1 diabetes. In one 
study, 90% of the newly diagnosed diabetic patients were cured of their 
diabetes with niacinamide. In another study, 50% of the newly diagnosed 
diabeted patients were cured of their diabetes with niacinamide. What was the 
difference in the studies? 

  The difference was that the newly diagnosed patients in one study (the 90% 
cure) were not allowed to partake of any dairy products. In the other study the 
patients were allowed to partake of dairy products. 

  The results of these two studies makes it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that the patient 
must stop taking every possible form of dairy products immediately.
  Read more here


  http://www.cancertutor.com/Diabetes/Diabetes_Type_I.htm

  Donna ACS


type 1 diabetes

Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[Donna]

read these sites:

http://www.holisticonline.com/remedies/diabetes/diabetes_herbs.htm

http://www.ayurvediccure.com/diabetes.htm

There are two substances that have been shown in scientific studies to 
cure type 1 diabetes if it is caught early enough. These two substances 
are niacinamide and vitamin E. Exactly how soon the diabetes has to be 
caught is not known. Generally, 80% of the beta cells are dead before 
the diabetes is caught, so anyone who has been taking insulin for less 
than about a year should try these two substances immediately.


There were two scientific studies on niacinamide and Type 1 diabetes. In 
one study, 90% of the newly diagnosed diabetic patients were cured of 
their diabetes with niacinamide. In another study, 50% of the newly 
diagnosed diabeted patients were cured of their diabetes with 
niacinamide. What was the difference in the studies?


The difference was that the newly diagnosed patients in one study (the 
90% cure) were not allowed to partake of any dairy products. In the 
other study the patients were allowed to partake of dairy products.


The results of these two studies makes it *ABSOLUTELY CLEAR* that the 
patient must stop taking every possible form of dairy products immediately.

Read more here

http://www.cancertutor.com/Diabetes/Diabetes_Type_I.htm

Donna ACS


type 1 diabetes

Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[Karen and Jerry Conrad]

Dear Sharlene
unfortunately it was pasteurized milk that caused his autoimmune diseases but I 
will try the other items, Thanks so very much, Blessings Karen Conrad


  --- Original Message - 
  From: Shar 
  To: silver-list 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:05 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes Question


  One person has mentioned to me that they had a chiropractor massage their 
child's pancreas and the practitioner heard a gush and the child has had no 
problems with sugar imbalances since.

  As Mike mentioned, CMO, also glyconutrients, Vitamin D3 and colustrum are a 
few other immune modulators.  I would consider iodine, anti viral herbs, 
probiotics

  I'd also look into thimerosol/mercury, uranium or other heavy metal toxicity. 
Benzene exposure from products like gasoline and food!  Copper deficiency along 
with capsicum (hot pepper) can aggravate at Type 1.  Avoid milk as stated by 
earlier poster and caffeine.

  My mom died of type 2 and resisted any alternative help until the end.

  Sharlene


  On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Karen and Jerry Conrad 
 wrote:

My son has type I diabetes and Graves Disease (hyperthyroidism) and he has 
been verified to have both antibodies to his thyroid and his pancreas, as I too 
have antibodies to my thyroid resulting in Hashimotos Thyroidism (hypothyroid) 
perhaps I will try what you all have recommended and see what the results are. 
Thanks so much, This is a great group. Blessings, Karen Conrad
- Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour"  

 

Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[Shar]

One person has mentioned to me that they had a chiropractor massage their
child's pancreas and the practitioner heard a gush and the child has had no
problems with sugar imbalances since.

As Mike mentioned, CMO, also glyconutrients, Vitamin D3 and colustrum are a
few other immune modulators.  I would consider iodine, anti viral herbs,
probiotics

I'd also look into thimerosol/mercury, uranium or other heavy metal
toxicity. Benzene exposure from products like gasoline and food!  Copper
deficiency along with capsicum (hot pepper) can aggravate at Type 1.  Avoid
milk as stated by earlier poster and caffeine.

My mom died of type 2 and resisted any alternative help until the end.

Sharlene

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Karen and Jerry Conrad <
micaiahspe...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> My son has type I diabetes and Graves Disease (hyperthyroidism) and he has
> been verified to have both antibodies to his thyroid and his pancreas, as I
> too have antibodies to my thyroid resulting in Hashimotos Thyroidism
> (hypothyroid) perhaps I will try what you all have recommended and see what
> the results are. Thanks so much, This is a great group. Blessings, Karen
> Conrad
> - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" 
>
>
>

Re: CS>DIABETES -Orv, MMS and Diabetes links

[LINDARAY]

Hi Orv,
 
This may assist- I have tested the links:
http://www.rexresearch.com/humble/humble.htm
 
and
 
(the following site will take a bit to load, but your patience will be rewarded with lots of info, as well as a way to contact Jim Humble toward the end) 
http://diabetesdietdialogue.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/how-to-conquer-chronic-diseases-including-diabetes-inspiration-and-the-miracle-of-mms-part-1d/
 
I hope this helps.
 
Stay well,
 
Linda
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Thank you Dave for your help.  mms you said has been shown to exert influence on diabetes.  can you point me in the direction to find out more.  the link you gave will not pull up, it says incorrect address.   if using cs with a iv might help ?  does your dog have any more symptoms ?   thank you orv

Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[Karen and Jerry Conrad]

My son has type I diabetes and Graves Disease (hyperthyroidism) and he has 
been verified to have both antibodies to his thyroid and his pancreas, as I 
too have antibodies to my thyroid resulting in Hashimotos Thyroidism 
(hypothyroid) perhaps I will try what you all have recommended and see what 
the results are. Thanks so much, This is a great group. Blessings, Karen 
Conrad
- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes Question



Would appreciate any help on the subject of type 1 diabetes and if CS
has help.  Not  type 2 which is the most common. Or any other aids
other than diet, exercise, rest , and the reg. known supplements.
Thank you for any help. My son has had this for eight years now and
his blood sugar is always exceedingly way to high.


Greetings Orv,

Doug's information is new to me and definitely looks intriguing.

I would like to inject a speculation that I have been thinking about
for a year or two... I recall somewhere reading a suggestion that there
was an autoimmune component to type 1 diabetes, wherein the islet cells
were destroyed by the body's own immune action.

Such a thing could be triggered by sensitization and protein mimicry
where alien proteins cause an immune response that does not properly
discriminate between the target antigen and proteins characteristic of
specific human cells.

In light of Doug's comments, there could even be a tie-in between these
two possible models, with the fungus providing the antigens in some
way.

IF the above speculation is valid, then a substance often discussed in
the alternative community, CMO, or Cetyl-Myrisoleate, might be of
interest. It is a natural substance that apparently acts as an immune
modulator. It was recommended to us by Brooks Bradley some years back
as a promising treatment for the *permanent* relief of arthritic
conditions, which, apparently, may also have an autoimmune response as
their root cause. It actually allows the rebuilding of joint tissues
that have been lost.

I haven't dug into this any further, but I pass it on to you in hopes
that it might be helpful and your incentives to research it more urgent
than mine.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE

[polo]

That was my problem with my dog.  I stopped too soon and she had a reoccurrence 
of her diabetic conditions. I started up again with sodium chlorite for a few 
more weeks and that seemed to do the trick. So, I think the moral to the MMS 
story is not to stop too soon like you would on traditional antibiotic therapy 
as well. Same probably holds true for CS.

Also, I think it is critical to get at diabetes at the very on start. Later on, 
it may be a harder proposition. 

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:10 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE


  The link worked okay for me.  I have diabetes and have use AMMS and when I 
was taking it felt really good.  Stopped, not sure why but only got to nine 
drops instead of the fifteen.  Think I may start the program again and see how 
things go.  
   
  Dianne
   

Re: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE

[polo]

Not much is written on MMS and diabetes. The Jim Humble video on 
www.youtube.com is the most exact and detailed account. If you cannot pull up 
the address as I list below, go directly to youtube and put in search: "Jim 
Humble diabetes"---that should pull up the video I refer too. Again the address:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbiN6zS1wk

I have never used CS for diabetic symptoms, so my ideas on it are purely 
theoretical. I think I quit too soon last summer with the sodium chlorite and 
she seemed to have a relapse, upon which I again started her on MMS for a few 
more weeks. That seemed to do the trick and, NO, it has not reoccurred.

doug



  - Original Message - 
  From: orv delany 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:40 AM
  Subject: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE


  Thank you Dave for your help.  mms you said has been shown to exert influence 
on diabetes.  can you point me in the direction to find out more.  the link you 
gave will not pull up, it says incorrect address.   if using cs with a iv might 
help ?  does your dog have any more symptoms ?   thank you orv


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Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[M. G. Devour]

> Would appreciate any help on the subject of type 1 diabetes and if CS
> has help.  Not  type 2 which is the most common. Or any other aids
> other than diet, exercise, rest , and the reg. known supplements. 
> Thank you for any help. My son has had this for eight years now and
> his blood sugar is always exceedingly way to high.

Greetings Orv,

Doug's information is new to me and definitely looks intriguing.  

I would like to inject a speculation that I have been thinking about 
for a year or two... I recall somewhere reading a suggestion that there 
was an autoimmune component to type 1 diabetes, wherein the islet cells 
were destroyed by the body's own immune action.  

Such a thing could be triggered by sensitization and protein mimicry 
where alien proteins cause an immune response that does not properly 
discriminate between the target antigen and proteins characteristic of 
specific human cells.  

In light of Doug's comments, there could even be a tie-in between these
two possible models, with the fungus providing the antigens in some 
way.

IF the above speculation is valid, then a substance often discussed in 
the alternative community, CMO, or Cetyl-Myrisoleate, might be of 
interest. It is a natural substance that apparently acts as an immune 
modulator. It was recommended to us by Brooks Bradley some years back 
as a promising treatment for the *permanent* relief of arthritic 
conditions, which, apparently, may also have an autoimmune response as 
their root cause. It actually allows the rebuilding of joint tissues 
that have been lost.

I haven't dug into this any further, but I pass it on to you in hopes 
that it might be helpful and your incentives to research it more urgent 
than mine.  

Be well,  

Mike D.  

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE

[John E. Stevens]

I think whole food chromium plays a part in reversing diabetes, too.  Check
out Chris Barr's info on diabetes at  healthtruthrevealed.com.  MMS is good,
too.

John

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:40 AM, orv delany  wrote:

>  Thank you Dave for your help.  mms you said has been shown to exert
> influence on diabetes.  can you point me in the direction to find out more.
> the link you gave will not pull up, it says incorrect address.   if using cs
> with a iv might help ?  does your dog have any more symptoms ?   thank
> you orv
>

RE: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE

[Dianne France]

The link worked okay for me.  I have diabetes and have use AMMS and when I was 
taking it felt really good.  Stopped, not sure why but only got to nine drops 
instead of the fifteen.  Think I may start the program again and see how things 
go.  

 

Dianne
 


From: orv.del...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:40:32 -0800
Subject: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE




Thank you Dave for your help.  mms you said has been shown to exert influence 
on diabetes.  can you point me in the direction to find out more.  the link you 
gave will not pull up, it says incorrect address.   if using cs with a iv might 
help ?  does your dog have any more symptoms ?   thank you orv  

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Re: CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE

[Tony Moody]

On 18 Feb 2010 at 23:40, orv delany wrote about :
Subject : CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE

> Thank you Dave for your help.  mms you said has been shown to exert
> influence on diabetes.  can you point me in the direction to find out
> more.  the link you gave will not pull up, it says incorrect address.   if
> using cs with a iv might help ?  does your dog have any more symptoms ?  
> thank you orv

Hallo orv,

[ i'm not Dave :-- ]

try :
http://jimhumble.biz/index.htm and start by going through the MMS Basic 
Information.

There are several help groups. Here is one :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/miracle_mineral_supplement/ 

OK,
Tony


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CS>DIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE

[orv delany]

Thank you Dave for your help.  mms you said has been shown to exert influence 
on diabetes.  can you point me in the direction to find out more.  the link you 
gave will not pull up, it says incorrect address.   if using cs with a iv might 
help ?  does your dog have any more symptoms ?   thank you orv

Re: CS>Diabetes Question

[polo]

o inhibit the enzyme and kill fungi 
at the same time may be the complex mechanism for statins,,,not simply a 
lowering of cholesterol. In short, Kauffman suggests that high cholesterol 
in the human may also be fungi related.

That's enough of the Kauffman theories for now. On a personal level, my 
dog seemed to be develolping canine diabetes last summer and by giving her 
MMS (sodium chlorite), the diabetic symptoms seemed to have been reversed in 
hours. Of course, 
I treated her on immediate onset of symptoms which may be optimum!  The popular 
treatment of sodium chlorite that is capturing much of the alternative medical, 
DIY internet and is basically an anti-infective, has been shown to exert 
influence on diabetes which only makes sense, if diabetes has infectious 
origins. CS should be useful too!  An interesting youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbiN6zS1wk



doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: orv delany 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:30 PM
  Subject: CS>Diabetes Question


  Would appreciate any help on the subject of type 1 diabetes and if CS has 
help.  Not  type 2 which is the most common. Or any other aids other than diet, 
exercise, rest , and the reg. known supplements.  Thank you for any help. My 
son has had this for eight years now and his blood sugar is always exceedingly 
way to high.


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CS>Diabetes Question

[orv delany]

Would appreciate any help on the subject of type 1 diabetes and if CS has help. 
 Not  type 2 which is the most common. Or any other aids other than diet, 
exercise, rest , and the reg. known supplements.  Thank you for any help. My 
son has had this for eight years now and his blood sugar is always exceedingly 
way to high.

Re: CS>diabetes help

[Marshall Dudley]

ANNICE wrote:
I have been reading a lot about cs lately. I am def. getting a 
silverpuppy.
 I have seen lots of lists of infections and other things it 
heals,wondering though if the dosage is different for each one,and if 
so where can I get that info.
 
Also a friends mother is diabetic. She stubbed her toe and they say it 
is not healing and a red line is forming, and they might have to 
amputate her leg. My question ?? is this something that can be healed 
with cs so this poor woman doesn't have to go thru this amputation.
 
Thank you
 
 
Diabetes can be particularly difficult to deal with.  Often the 
inability to heal is due to an infection, and if that is the case CS 
could certainly help. However with diabetes this is nor normally the 
case, it has more to do with poor circulation and other problems that 
diabetics have.  The red line sounds like it might be an infection 
though, and if so, CS should certainly help.  Also the ability for EIS 
to cause injured cells to revert back to stem cells can promote healing 
as well.  I would personally try CS, probably even with DMSO applied 
directly, but still only give it about 50-50 chance if helping.


Marshall


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Re: CS>diabetes help [on topic]

[Ode Coyote]

  There are absolutely no dosing standards for CS that make any sense at all.
 No two people or applications are the same.

So

Dose for effect, start slow and ramp up to let side effect regulate,  it's 
nearly impossible to over dose when there are no side effects.


Then...just

 Be aware that water can be toxic.

And it's usually not a great idea to go overboard on *anything* for a long 
time.
 Everything needs exercise to stay strong, you don't really want to 
*replace* your immune system.


Take a break now and then.

NOTHING is either/or, so remember the words "and" , "if" and "when".
There is no "one way" to do anything. Drive around the speed bumps.
 The shorter the road, the quicker the trip.A screw driver isn't the 
only tool in the shop.


 Generally speaking, the closer you can apply CS to where you need it, the 
better it will do what it does.


  My skeptical sisters BF was developing blood poisoning from a small 
wound on his arm. [That red streak]

 She wrapped his arm in CS soaked gauze and wrapped that in Saran Wrap.
 The next morning the infected spot was a hard lump she just popped out 
and the blood poisoning was gone.

I know that "this" is a true story.

I've heard many similar stories related to diabetic ulcers that may also be 
true.
 The CS gel was developed by a lady in New Zealand for use on her 
bedridden husbands bed sores.  According to her, it worked when nothing 
else did.
That doesn't mean that nothing else works for someone else, or that it will 
work for youjust that it's worth a try.



Ode



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I have been reading a lot about cs lately. I am def. getting a silverpuppy.
 I have seen lots of lists of infections and other things it 
heals,wondering though if the dosage is different for each one,and if so 
where can I get that info.


Also a friends mother is diabetic. She stubbed her toe and they say it is 
not healing and a red line is forming, and they might have to amputate her 
leg. My question ?? is this something that can be healed with cs so this 
poor woman doesn't have to go thru this amputation.


Thank you





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Re: CS>diabetes help

[Smitty]

> Also a friends mother is diabetic.

You might tell her about Dr. Young's book =

The pH Miracle for Diabetes

"The Revolution Diet Plan for Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetics"
The author of the successful The pH Miracle offers a revolutionary new
diet and health program for the millions who suffer from either Type 1
or Type 2 diabetes. Diabetes has become an epidemic in the United
States with an estimated 17 million people diagnosed with the disease
and millions more at risk. With attention focused on blood sugar and
insulin levels, however, the underlying cause of all the
devastation-excess acidity of the body-has been overlooked. Dr. Robert
Young, a nationally known microbiologist and nutritionist changes all
that with this diet and lifestyle plan designed specifically for
people with Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes.
With advice on which foods to eat, which to avoid, and delicious
recipes, as well as guidance on managing stress and exercising safely,
Dr. Robert Young's program balances the body's pH, controlling acidity
and helping to reverse diabetes - or stop it before it starts.
This remarkable plan can reduce and sometimes eliminate the need for
insulin or oral medications. The pH Miracle for Diabetes empowers
readers to take control of their health, and feel better than they
ever thought possible.

The book should be at Barnes & Nobles or Border's.
Or, google for on-line purchase.

Smitty


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Re: CS>diabetes help

[dee]

CS is really good for healing any bacterial or virual infections, and 
I'm sure it will be able to help with this.  I believe it also helps 
with repairing skin also.  Apply both topically and internally.  dee the 
silverpuppy is brilliant by the way. 


ANNICE wrote:
I have been reading a lot about cs lately. I am def. getting a 
silverpuppy.
 I have seen lots of lists of infections and other things it 
heals,wondering though if the dosage is different for each one,and if 
so where can I get that info.
 
Also a friends mother is diabetic. She stubbed her toe and they say it 
is not healing and a red line is forming, and they might have to 
amputate her leg. My question ?? is this something that can be healed 
with cs so this poor woman doesn't have to go thru this amputation.
 
Thank you
 
 



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CS>diabetes help

[ANNICE]

I have been reading a lot about cs lately. I am def. getting a silverpuppy.
 I have seen lots of lists of infections and other things it heals,wondering 
though if the dosage is different for each one,and if so where can I get that 
info.

Also a friends mother is diabetic. She stubbed her toe and they say it is not 
healing and a red line is forming, and they might have to amputate her leg. My 
question ?? is this something that can be healed with cs so this poor woman 
doesn't have to go thru this amputation.

Thank you

RE: CS>CS:>Diabetes/cinnamon

[Dan Nave]

If you are taking more than about 1/4 to 1/2 tsp of cinnamon daily you
should make a water extraction of it (ie: make it into a cup of cinnamon
tea using hot water...).  The oil soluble part apparently has an
unhealthy effect if taken in too great a quantity.  Therefore, make a
water extraction and strain or decant.  Do not eat the residue.  The
water soluble portion is good and is supposed to work to regulate
insulin.

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Harold MacDonald [mailto:har...@telus.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 11:41 AM
To: Silver Post
Subject: CS>CS:>Diabetes/cinnamon

I have read from reliable sources that say cinnamon is good for
regulating Insulin levels and is one part of the protocol for helping
cure D naturally; along with diet changes.

Harold 



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CS>CS:>Diabetes/cinnamon

[Harold MacDonald]

I have read from reliable sources that say cinnamon is good for regulating 
Insulin levels and is one part of the protocol for helping cure D naturally; 
along with diet changes.


Harold 




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CS>diabetes

[Ross Craig]

Don't know if any of you have seen this info outside of canada, but this may be 
up there with the discovery of insulin.  

And I don't know what this has to do with silver  EIS/CS except maybe the 
ability to reduce inflammation?
Diabetes breakthrough
  Tom Blackwell, National Post
Published: Friday, December 15, 2006 
In a discovery that has stunned even those behind it, scientists at a Toronto 
hospital say they have proof the body's nervous system helps trigger diabetes, 
opening the door to a potential near-cure of the disease that affects millions 
of Canadians.

Diabetic mice became healthy virtually overnight after researchers injected a 
substance to counteract the effect of malfunctioning pain neurons in the 
pancreas.

"I couldn't believe it," said Dr. Michael Salter, a pain expert at the Hospital 
for Sick Children and one of the scientists. "Mice with diabetes suddenly 
didn't have diabetes any more."



http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970

CS>Diabetes natural healing with herbs, diet, borage oil, and other natural method

[Paula Perry]

A lot of information if you look through the whole site.

 http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/diabetes.htm

Diabetes natural healing with herbs, diet, borage oil, and other natural methods.url
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Re: CS>DIABETES II

[Christine Carleton]

Check out:  
http://www.mercola.com/2005/jun/23/leptin.htm
Blessings, Christine

From: "FRANK CUNS-RIAL" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:06:05 -0500
Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:06:32 -0700


Diabetes type II is a nurtured condition and easily reversible.
1/Use a glycemic diet
2/ Eat small frequent meals
3/ Eat good fat or protein with each meal
4/ drink half of your weight in ounces of clean water
5/ Support with
   1000 mg of Lipoic Acid
   500 Bilberry extract
   200-600 micrograms of Chromium Picolinate
   50-100 mg vanadium Sulfate
   25 mg Banaba ex (0.1% Corosolic acid)
   3000 mg fish body oils
   500 mg Gymmena Sikvestre
   100 mg Cinnamon ext
 
and a good multivitamin/mineral formula
 
Try also Citozyme-PAN by Biotics to repair the pancreas
 
Enzymatic Therapy has a product called Glucose Regulation which includes
most of the items above. Jarrow Labs has also a similar effectie product.
Neither will give you the entire spectrum so check carefully to complete the
above schedule.
 
Frank Cuns-Rial

Re: CS>diabetes-frank

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Note that MDs in Brazil recently claimed a complete cure of a severe 
diabetic, whose pancreas was restored to full function after the 
transplant of adult stem cells taken from the man's own nostrils.I 
do not have details as the report was very brief.More information 
would be welcome.


JBB


On Monday, Jun 13, 2005, at 04:20 Asia/Tokyo, sahmom...@aol.com wrote:

I don't think curing diabetes is out of the question, even with a 
severe, long term case. The raw vegan diet has even CURED stage four 
cancers, and on this diet, diabetes cures are almost routine! 
Obviously, there are varying viewpoints here as to HOW to cure 
diabetes, but I don't think the cure itself is in doubt. For type 1, 
the situation is more complex. Not sure of cures, but a tremendous 
reduction in insulin dependence is certainly possible, even likely. 
Marilyn

RE: CS>diabetes-frank

[Ernie Patai]

If I may give my humble opinion,
 
I have come to understand, as much doubt there is still left in this
world about what can or cannot be healed.
Whatever, has been done, can be undone. We are deliberately being made
and kept sick. So nature has provided us with all that is needed to heal
ourselves since whatever is making us sick certainly isn't from nature.
We have plenty of resources at our disposal to help ourselves. Its first
discovering what ailment we have and then taking the necessary remedy(s)
to help one heal. Disease in the body as we know just doesn't all of a
sudden show up. So the healing process shouldn't be a surprise that may
take time too. Use whatever resources you have investigate them all if
you have the time to come to your own conclusion. Don't ever count any
out. My sister is now moving towards recovery with her MS, and other
issues as a result. I myself am also improving with eradicating CFS,the
family of the herpes virus. Not just one but a few. Had I not been here
or been out of work, I probably would have never found out all that I
have from this list ( with gratitude ) and the painstaking research I
embarked on from almost day one. 
 
Thanks to everyone,
 
Ernie from Toronto, Canada.
 
-Original Message-
From: sahmom...@aol.com [mailto:sahmom...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:43 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>diabetes-frank
 
Hulda Clark may or may not be correct--I don't know. What's important, I
think, is that everything possible is given a serious try, and whatever
works needs to be maintained. Parasites are definitely a very common
problem, for sure, diabetes or not. Marilyn

Re: CS>diabetes-frank

[Sahmomof8]

Hulda Clark may or may not be correct--I don't know. What's important, I 
think, is that everything possible is given a serious try, and whatever works 
needs to be maintained. Parasites are definitely a very common problem, for 
sure, 
diabetes or not. Marilyn

Re: CS>diabetes-frank

[twllLL]

Hulda Clark says its caused from parasites
  - Original Message - 
  From: sahmom...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:20 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>diabetes-frank


  I don't think curing diabetes is out of the question, even with a severe, 
long term case. The raw vegan diet has even CURED stage four cancers, and on 
this diet, diabetes cures are almost routine! Obviously, there are varying 
viewpoints here as to HOW to cure diabetes, but I don't think the cure itself 
is in doubt. For type 1, the situation is more complex. Not sure of cures, but 
a tremendous reduction in insulin dependence is certainly possible, even 
likely. Marilyn 

Re: CS>diabetes-frank

[Sahmomof8]

I don't think curing diabetes is out of the question, even with a severe, 
long term case. The raw vegan diet has even CURED stage four cancers, and on 
this 
diet, diabetes cures are almost routine! Obviously, there are varying 
viewpoints here as to HOW to cure diabetes, but I don't think the cure itself 
is in 
doubt. For type 1, the situation is more complex. Not sure of cures, but a 
tremendous reduction in insulin dependence is certainly possible, even likely. 
Marilyn

Re: CS>DIABETES II

[Smitty]

For those of you with either Type 1 OR 2 diabetes, read:

THE PH MIRACLE FOR DIABETES  by Robert Young

He shows how in the book, you can be able to CURE diabetes
with changing the diet to be more alkaline and less acidic,
and has ph recipes.

Change your diet and change your life . . .

Smitty


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CS>DIABETES

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

I agree that a potential cause trigering diabetes could be toxic metal 
contamination. I should caution, however, that the major reason is diet, diet, 
diet, and genetics, heavy metal toxicity, etc are, in comparison, very low 
contributors. It ALWAYS makes sense to review eating habits and metabolic 
realities and correcting them before getting into these relatively rare 
"causators" 
Regards
Frank Cuns-Rial  

Re: CS>DIABETES II

[Dan Nave]

If you are mercury toxic perhaps that is what is causing you to be 
diabetic in the first place...


According to the book "Amalgam Illness" by Andrew Hall Cutler Phd.
the adverse symptoms of chelation can be minimized by taking the 
chelation at short regular intervals.  For Alpha Lipoic Acid he 
recommends every four hours day and night.  This is because the adverse 
symptoms generally occur as mercury redistributes in the body when the 
chelator concentration goes from a high to a low level.  If the 
concentration in the blood can be kept at an even level, the symptoms 
are reduced.  He recommends dosing at the correct level for 3 to 7 days 
approx. and then stopping for an equivalent time.


He also says quite a bit more, too...

I'll include a post with a quote under the subject heading "Chelation".

Dan



Re: CS>DIABETES II

* From: Debbie Mcdonald (view other messages by this author)
* Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:38:20

For me, a merc toxic with insulin resistance, I would
have huge problems with the ALA, the fish oil(any
brand) and my herb list posted an article that shows
gymnema is actually contraindicated. I think I saved
that article.
  I've not used bilberry or gymnema, and have not
heard about Banaba. Would like to know more.
  Someone on another list said fish oil affected
dopamine levels adversely in some people, I don't have
any info on that. Deb


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CS>diabetes-frank

[Betsy Coffey]

very good post on diabetes Frank. I am going to make a
copy and give it to my sister who is a diabetic.
People dont believe it when I tell them that it is
possible to control some diabetes with diet and
supplements. Of course, it depends on the severity of
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Re: CS>DIABETES II

[Debbie Mcdonald]

For me, a merc toxic with insulin resistance, I would
have huge problems with the ALA, the fish oil(any
brand) and my herb list posted an article that shows
gymnema is actually contraindicated. I think I saved
that article. 
  I've not used bilberry or gymnema, and have not
heard about Banaba. Would like to know more.
  Someone on another list said fish oil affected
dopamine levels adversely in some people, I don't have
any info on that. Deb


--- FRANK CUNS-RIAL  wrote:

> Diabetes type II is a nurtured condition and easily
> reversible.
> 1/Use a glycemic diet
> 2/ Eat small frequent meals
> 3/ Eat good fat or protein with each meal
> 4/ drink half of your weight in ounces of clean
> water
> 5/ Support with
> 1000 mg of Lipoic Acid
> 500 Bilberry extract
> 200-600 micrograms of Chromium Picolinate
> 50-100 mg vanadium Sulfate
> 25 mg Banaba ex (0.1% Corosolic acid)
> 3000 mg fish body oils
> 500 mg Gymmena Sikvestre
> 100 mg Cinnamon ext
> 
> and a good multivitamin/mineral formula
> 
> Try also Citozyme-PAN by Biotics to repair the
> pancreas
> 
> Enzymatic Therapy has a product called Glucose
> Regulation which includes most of the items above.
> Jarrow Labs has also a similar effectie product.
> Neither will give you the entire spectrum so check
> carefully to complete the above schedule.
> 
> Frank Cuns-Rial


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Re: CS>DIABETES II

[Merywolf7]

Thankyou so much
Marian

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CS>DIABETES II

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Diabetes type II is a nurtured condition and easily reversible.
1/Use a glycemic diet
2/ Eat small frequent meals
3/ Eat good fat or protein with each meal
4/ drink half of your weight in ounces of clean water
5/ Support with
1000 mg of Lipoic Acid
500 Bilberry extract
200-600 micrograms of Chromium Picolinate
50-100 mg vanadium Sulfate
25 mg Banaba ex (0.1% Corosolic acid)
3000 mg fish body oils
500 mg Gymmena Sikvestre
100 mg Cinnamon ext

and a good multivitamin/mineral formula

Try also Citozyme-PAN by Biotics to repair the pancreas

Enzymatic Therapy has a product called Glucose Regulation which includes most 
of the items above. Jarrow Labs has also a similar effectie product. Neither 
will give you the entire spectrum so check carefully to complete the above 
schedule.

Frank Cuns-Rial

Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[Brooks Bradley]

 I believe the gentlemen Dan may be referring to are Dr. Burt 
Berkson (author of "Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough", and Dr. Russell Blaylock, 
author of "Exitotoxins, The Taste That Kills".  Both of these M.D. credentialed 
allopaths have done genuinely seminal work in their respective fields.  I 
genuinely recommend the work of both.to all list members.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
- Original Message -
From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:09:08 +0900

> 
> AP reported yesterday that doctors in Brazil (?) successfully 
> implanted stem cells from a person with diabetes into the same 
> person's pancreas,  enabling that organ to produce insulin and 
> curing the patient's diabetes.  No embryonic issues involved in 
> this new method.  . .
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005, at 08:46 Asia/Tokyo, Debbie Mcdonald wrote:
> 
> > I'm mercury toxic and ALA makes me insane, it is horrific. I 
> > cannot tolerate very small doses so anyone might want to start 
> > low.
> >
> > Dan Nave  wrote:
> >
> > Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.
> >
> > Can't remember which practitioner (MD / alternative practitioner) it
> > was but he was recommending Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) for diabetic
> > neuropathy. His recommendation on dose for those with the condition was
> > 200mg three times a day.
> >
> > Don't just do this and forget about losing weight and following up on a
> > holistic approach!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
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CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[patriot2000]

Dan Nave
 wrote: 


Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

Can't remember which practitioner (MD / alternative practitioner)
it

was but he was recommending Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) for diabetic

neuropathy. His recommendation on dose for those with the condition
was

200mg three times a day.

Don't just do this and forget about losing weight and following up on
a

holistic approach!

Dan

I think I probably have missed a good deal of the conversations preceding
this last, but I will jump in anyway.  Forgive me if I am
redundant.  If you have neuropathy, especially diabetic neuropathy,
look into Anodyne Therapy.  I hunted it up on the Internet when I
read about it in one of the alternative doc's newsletters which I get by
snailmail.  I was getting desperate to get rid of the chronic
tendonitis I had in both wrists which did not yield to acupuncture or to
chiropractic.  

www.AnodyneTherapy.com gave enough information to go on, and I
located a source of the treatments with their infra-red LEDs here in my
city.  I needed a referral from my doctor to get in, and I talked
that skeptical lady into writing it for me.  A couple of treatments
gave me significant relief, and a dozen more took care of the problem
altogether.  
Now, here is the interesting part:  Anodyne is particularly
effective for diabetics, correcting neuropathy and healing chronic open
sores.  The rehab therapist I asked about it said that he recently
had a diabetic patient without any feeling up to her knees, considered
hopeless by her doctor.  The Anodyne treatments restored feeling
down to her toes!
Anodyne was paid for by my Medicare and auxiliary Tricare for Life
insurance.  I looked into purchasing a unit, and they are pretty
pricey at about $3000, but I learned from my therapist that after a
diabetes patient of Medicare age has had a course of the treatments (12)
there is a program through Medicare which will subsidize the purchase by
the patient, so that his/her cost is $500 instead of $3000, and thus the
patient can continue the treatments at home for as long or as often as
needed.  Then, I went searching around the Internet, and found that
there are other generic versions of the infra red units which are
considerably lower priced and within the grasp of most people! 
I can't speak of their comparability or effectiveness, however. 

My memory is hazy, and I am too lazy to go back to search the archives
tonight, but I think the topic of infra red LEDs has enjoyed quite a bit
of coverage on this site in the not too distant past, and if you are
reading this and were one of the contributors to the earlier discussions,
it would be nice if you spoke up again about the benefits of infra red to
amplify the current discussions about neuropathy or directed the readers
to the best sources of information in the archives. 
Marlys





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Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[Debbie Mcdonald]

Also, if you do a search on words something likehypoglycemia toxic colon
 you'll come up with some neat stuff. japanese studies link this with 
diabetes.

"Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:AP reported 
yesterday that doctors in Brazil (?) successfully implanted 
stem cells from a person with diabetes into the same person's pancreas, 
enabling that organ to produce insulin and curing the patient's 
diabetes. No embryonic issues involved in this new method. . .
> Dan Nave wrote:
>
> Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.
>
> Can't remember which practitioner (MD / alternative practitioner) it
> was but he was recommending Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) for diabetic
> neuropathy. His recommendation on dose for those with the condition was
> 200mg three times a day.
>
> Don't just do this and forget about losing weight and following up on a
> holistic approach!

Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[Jonathan B. Britten]

AP reported yesterday that doctors in Brazil (?) successfully implanted 
stem cells from a person with diabetes into the same person's pancreas, 
 enabling that organ to produce insulin and curing the patient's 
diabetes.  No embryonic issues involved in this new method.  . .




On Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005, at 08:46 Asia/Tokyo, Debbie Mcdonald wrote:

I'm mercury toxic and ALA makes me insane, it is horrific. I cannot 
tolerate very small doses so anyone might want to start low.


Dan Nave  wrote:

Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

Can't remember which practitioner (MD / alternative practitioner) it
was but he was recommending Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) for diabetic
neuropathy. His recommendation on dose for those with the condition was
200mg three times a day.

Don't just do this and forget about losing weight and following up on a
holistic approach!

Dan




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Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[Debbie Mcdonald]

I'm mercury toxic and ALA makes me insane, it is horrific. I cannot tolerate 
very small doses so anyone might want to start low.

Dan Nave  wrote:Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, 
thyroid problems, etc.

Can't remember which practitioner (MD / alternative practitioner) it
was but he was recommending Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) for diabetic
neuropathy. His recommendation on dose for those with the condition was
200mg three times a day.

Don't just do this and forget about losing weight and following up on a
holistic approach!

Dan




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Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[Dan Nave]

Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

Can't remember which practitioner (MD / alternative practitioner) it
was but he was recommending Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) for diabetic
neuropathy.  His recommendation on dose for those with the condition was
200mg three times a day.

Don't just do this and forget about losing weight and following up on a
holistic approach!

Dan




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Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "David W Kenney" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.


> Excellent Nenah
> There is so much more to all of this isn't there.
> I should have mentioned the 'parasite' theory as well as proposed by Dr.
> Clark and yourself.
> And, you are right as an allopathically trained doctor I have to really
> strain somewhat to think in the alternative linesbut I'm getting
> there...  I didn't know that CS might help with parasites...Thank you.


Hi Dave.
I may have inadvertently given the impression that colloidal silver can outright
kill parasites. CS disables one-celled organisms.

However, sometimes one-celled microbes live inside more complex organisms. Once
the complex parasites are destroyed or disabled, the one-celled organisms inside
them can be handled with CS. Sorry for any confusion.

By the way, have I mentioned sauna therapy? As simple as it sounds, heating the
body is one of the *best ways* to detoxify and get rid of infections. It's all
in my sauna therapy book.

Blessings,
Nenah

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Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Parasites is correct, is it not?

On Saturday, Jan 22, 2005, at 09:18 Asia/Tokyo, Nenah Sylver wrote:


Microbes such as flukes have been found in the pancreas, for instance;
and this upsets the insulin regulating mechanism of the body. 



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RE: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[David W Kenney]

Excellent Nenah
There is so much more to all of this isn't there.
I should have mentioned the 'parasite' theory as well as proposed by Dr.
Clark and yourself.   
And, you are right as an allopathically trained doctor I have to really
strain somewhat to think in the alternative linesbut I'm getting
there...  I didn't know that CS might help with parasites...Thank you.

===

Hello Denise.
I am not a doctor and I do not treat, diagnose or prescribe. Having said
that, here is what occurred to me when I read your post:

There is an intricate relationship between the thyroid, adrenals, pituitary,
and sex organs. When one is off balance, the others try to compensate for
the weakness or excess of the dysfunctional gland. Furthermore, other glands
and organs are also affected. It's like hitting the front domino and then
all the rest in the pile fall down.

It's important to think *systemically* rather than in terms of individual
symptoms -- because if you think only in terms of individual symptoms, you
won't get the big picture or perceive any cause-and-effect relationship.
Most medical names describe the symptoms rather than explain *why* the
symptoms have occurred. So, for example, the condition called "neuropathy"
simply indicates that there is a problem with the nervous system. It doesn't
indicate why this problem exists. And of course then there is no clue as to
how to fix the problem.

There are many reasons for a gland or organ shutting down or not working
properly. Microbes such as flukes have been found in the pancreas, for
instance; and this upsets the insulin regulating mechanism of the body.
Colloidal silver disables microbes and does a wonderful job doing it. This
is the microbial approach to ill health. Some people -- with everything from
cancer to Lyme disease to the flu -- drink as much as several quarts of
colloidal silver daily.
Properly made colloidal silver is not only highly effective, it is
completely safe.

The ability of glands and organs to function is highly dependent on being
free of microbes. However, functionality also depends on the correct
feedback loop of hormones and other biochemicals that get sent through the
nervous system as messages. If these glands and organs are impaired, the
person will experience various symptoms such as feelings of coldness,
numbness in legs, etc.

I have been to a doctor only once in the last 25 years. Allopathically
(Western medicine) trained doctors generally don't understand how the body
works as an integrated unit. They are taught to manage pathology, *after*
the system has broken down. If it were me, I'd find a homeopath, naturopath,
and/or chiropractor who understands the relationship between different body
parts.

Nutrition is key to being well. Different people have an affinity for
different diets. However, what I can say as a former diabetic myself is that
it's real important to avoid refined carbohydrates like the plague, to go
easy on complex carbs, and to eat plenty of vegetables, good fats (virgin
coconut and olive), and moderate amounts of animal protein. Just about
everything I eat is organic.

Ridding the body of contaminants is another key to being well. Twentieth
century doctor and researcher Alexis Carrel kept tissue from a chicken heart
alive for 28 years simply by changing daily the mineral bath the tissue was
immersed in.
The tissue died when Carrel discontinued changing the water. This clearly
shows that when the waste products of cellular metabolism are removed from
our cells, the cells can continue to regenerate. Translated into practical
terms, we need to get rid of the waste materials in our systems that prevent
the proper function of the body.

In my two books (excerpts of which are on my website; see below), I discuss
in depth what nourishes us, and how critical it is to detoxify. Both aspects
are vital in maintaining or restoring health.

People who are used to being patients in the allopathic medical model are
understandably nervous about switching to holistically trained
professionals.
They have been taught to view allopathic medicine as the only correct
medicine, the only right view. Western trained doctors can be great for
emergencies and for surgery, but these services constitute only a small
portion of what healing is all about. I encourage you to see other
professionals and learn what your options can be.

Regards,
Nenah

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- Original Message - 
From: "Denise Rollheiser" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: CS>


> Not sure if I've ever introduced myselfI'm Denise, from Saskatoon,
Saskatchewan Canada and I have been lurking for some months here, trying to
learn all I can about CS - and WOW!  I have learned lots!
>
> I'm needing to pick your collective bra

Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[Denise Rollheiser]

 WOW!

 First off - I guess I should apologize for not putting O/T in the subject 
linebut I can't figure out why the subject line that I had typed in my 
original post did not show up!The wonders of cyber-space!


 Secondly - and more importantly - WOW! WOW! WOW!  I am totally grateful 
and appreciative of the responses I have gotten so far.  I knew that I would 
not have to resort to 'drastic measures' (ie. removing body parts) but - 
what an education I am receiving.


 I am printing off the posts as I see them and will peruse them at great 
lengthalready I have realize that "I am just an egg" and there is sooo 
much more to learn.  (Well - I already knew that - I just didn't know what 
words to put into questions to be put on the road of knowledge!)


 Again, thank you soo much for sharing a most important thing ... the GIFT 
OF YOU!


 Blessed Be.

 Denise
 Saskatoon, SK  Canada
 neec...@sasktel.net

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 From: "Nenah Sylver" 

 
 >
 > People who are used to being patients in the allopathic medical model 
are
 > understandably nervous about switching to holistically trained 
professionals.
 > They have been taught to view allopathic medicine as the only correct 
medicine,
 > the only right view. Western trained doctors can be great for 
emergencies and
 > for surgery, but these services constitute only a small portion of what 
healing
 > is all about. I encourage you to see other professionals and learn what 
your

 > options can be.


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Re: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[Nenah Sylver]

Hello Denise.
I am not a doctor and I do not treat, diagnose or prescribe. Having said that,
here is what occurred to me when I read your post:

There is an intricate relationship between the thyroid, adrenals, pituitary, and
sex organs. When one is off balance, the others try to compensate for the
weakness or excess of the dysfunctional gland. Furthermore, other glands and
organs are also affected. It's like hitting the front domino and then all the
rest in the pile fall down.

It's important to think *systemically* rather than in terms of individual
symptoms -- because if you think only in terms of individual symptoms, you won't
get the big picture or perceive any cause-and-effect relationship. Most medical
names describe the symptoms rather than explain *why* the symptoms have
occurred. So, for example, the condition called "neuropathy" simply indicates
that there is a problem with the nervous system. It doesn't indicate why this
problem exists. And of course then there is no clue as to how to fix the
problem.

Thre are many reasons for a gland or organ shutting down or not working
properly. Microbes such as flukes have been found in the pancreas, for instance;
and this upsets the insulin regulating mechanism of the body. Colloidal silver
disables microbes and does a wonderful job doing it. This is the microbial
approach to ill health. Some people -- with everything from cancer to Lyme
disease to the flu -- drink as much as several quarts of colloidal silver daily.
Properly made colloidal silver is not only highly effective, it is completely
safe.

The ability of glands and organs to function is highly dependent on being free
of microbes. However, functionality also depends on the correct feedback loop of
hormones and other biochemicals that get sent through the nervous system as
messages. If these glands and organs are impaired, the person will experience
various symptoms such as feelings of coldness, numbness in legs, etc.

I have been to a doctor only once in the last 25 years. Allopathically (Western
medicine) trained doctors generally don't understand how the body works as an
integrated unit. They are taught to manage pathology, *after* the system has
broken down. If it were me, I'd find a homeopath, naturopath, and/or
chiropractor who understands the relationship between different body parts.

Nutrition is key to being well. Different people have an affinity for different
diets. However, what I can say as a former diabetic myself is that it's real
important to avoid refined carbohydrates like the plague, to go easy on complex
carbs, and to eat plenty of vegetables, good fats (virgin coconut and olive),
and moderate amounts of animal protein. Just about everything I eat is organic.

Ridding the body of contaminants is another key to being well. Twentieth century
doctor and researcher Alexis Carrel kept tissue from a chicken heart alive for
28 years simply by changing daily the mineral bath the tissue was immersed in.
The tissue died when Carrel discontinued changing the water. This clearly shows
that when the waste products of cellular metabolism are removed from our cells,
the cells can continue to regenerate. Translated into practical terms, we need
to get rid of the waste materials in our systems that prevent the proper
function of the body.

In my two books (excerpts of which are on my website; see below), I discuss in
depth what nourishes us, and how critical it is to detoxify. Both aspects are
vital in maintaining or restoring health.

People who are used to being patients in the allopathic medical model are
understandably nervous about switching to holistically trained professionals.
They have been taught to view allopathic medicine as the only correct medicine,
the only right view. Western trained doctors can be great for emergencies and
for surgery, but these services constitute only a small portion of what healing
is all about. I encourage you to see other professionals and learn what your
options can be.

Regards,
Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing
and The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
http://www.nenahsylver.com
Holistic health products, supplements and services




- Original Message - 
From: "Denise Rollheiser" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: CS>


> Not sure if I've ever introduced myselfI'm Denise, from Saskatoon,
Saskatchewan Canada and I have been lurking for some months here, trying to
learn all I can about CS - and WOW!  I have learned lots!
>
> I'm needing to pick your collective brains, please..I apologize for this
being a tad lengthy but I am hoping that someone might possibly be able to
provide a light at the end of the tunnel for me!
>
> A bit of 'background' infoI have a number of auto-immune disorders - type
II diabetes (since resolved following biliopancreatic diversion/duodenal switch
in April 04), chronic obstructive sleep apnea (resolved as a result of BPD/DS
surgery and a subsequen

Re: CS>Diabetes

[colloidal . silver]

Just toss a table spoon of baking soda in a glass of distilled water, hold
your nose and drink... You'll Be alkaline in no time...


- Original Message -
From: "Robb Allen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


> This is what I said...this is a copy/paste.
> I have heard some people say that the Atkins diet makes people
> > prime candidates for cancer
>  then I said .
> The argument is that it lowers your ph
>
> lowering the ph because of all the meat and cheese would mosts likely
lower
> your ph making you more suceptable to cancerthat is what I
> saidRobb
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
>
>
> > Well this is the exchange:
> >
> > I wrote:
> > I have never heard that before.  Why would anyone think that
carbohydrates
> would
> > decrease the risk of cancer?
> >
> > Your answer was:
> > The argument is that it lowers your ph.which may be true..?
> >
> > So I totally confused.  If you say that sugar lowers ph, and that
prevents
> > cancer, I would read that as saying that low ph is good.
> >
> > How are you interpreting it?
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> >
> >
> > Robb Allen wrote:
> >
> > > ummmnoI didn'tI have been saying all along that a
ph
> > > decrease is bad..I'm well aware of how ph works...Robb
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> > >
> > > > You said that sugars lower your pH. That means they make you more
> acid.
> > > >
> > > > I say that acid makes you more likely to get cancer.
> > > >
> > > > You said that more sugars make you less likely to get cancer. Thus
> that is
> > > > opposite of what I am saying.
> > > >
> > > > We have a disconnect here somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > Marshall
> > > >
> > > > Robb Allen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thats what I just said.Robb
> > > > >
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> > > > >
> > > > > > Everything I have read indicates that low pH increases the
cancer
> > > risk,
> > > > > not
> > > > > > reduces it. And that in some cases simply raising pH will
> eliminate
> > > some
> > > > > > cancers.  That is why everyone wants to alkalinize the body.
Acid
> not
> > > > > only
> > > > > > increases cancer, but give lots of other problems such as
brittle
> > > bones,
> > > > > > arthritis and kidney stones.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marshall
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robb Allen wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The argument is that it lowers your ph.which may be
> > > > > > > true..?I can't seem to stay on it so I can't
> > > say.besides
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > ph is already low anywayRobb
> > > > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:31 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have never heard that before.  Why would anyone think that
> > > > > carbohydrates
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > decrease the risk of cancer?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Marshall
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Robb Allen wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have heard some people say that the Atkins diet makes
> people
> > > prime
> > > > > > > > > candidates for cancer..any comments on
> > &

Re: CS>Diabetes

[colloidal . silver]

Try making very spicey indian meat dishes, that use honey, not refined sugar, I 
think thats easier on you...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


  It was about 2 months on Atkins before my wife was able to completely get off 
her pills.  She went from the doctor saying that he was going to have to 
increase her gluberide again, to taking none at all. 
  Marshall 

  Charles Sutton wrote: 

Only if you stay on it!  I have always had an uncontrollable addiction to 
ice cream.  Sometimes eating a half gallon per day.  Since I have been on 
it 
now for a while the sugar cravings have dissapeared.  I hope they stay 
gone. 
I think the urgency of the condition this time, instead of just being 
overweight, is keeping me going.   I have to get the sugar levels down in 
30 
days or the Dr. is going to put me on meds.. 
   . 
- Original Message - 
From: "mamapug"  
To:  
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:55 PM 
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes 
  
> > That's the first thing that I did.   Been on almost zero carbs for 
about 
2 
> > weeks now.   I have used the Atkins diet to lose weight since 1968. 
Have 
> > lost 11 lbs in 12 days, but blood sugar still in 140 to 170 range.   I 
> have 
> > always heard that the Atkins diet would "cure" diabetes, and I'm going 
to 
> > cure it.. 
> 
> Since 1968??? Doesn`t work, then, does it? 
> Marshalee

Re: CS>Diabetes

[Robert Berger]

Attention ALL,

when are you going to drop this diabetes stuff!!

you have run it into the ground.

"Ole Bob"




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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Jannette Abel]

Heidrun,
Please do some reading on thismy comments have put in a few sentences
the theory and conclusions of entire BOOKS.  The blood Type Theory is now
also being proven by studies on lectinology.   It is far more in-depth than
my words here.

Jannette


 From: "Heidrun Beer" 


> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:31:59 -0500, Jannette Abel wrote in
> <00e401c3ac70$78064fa0$28f5c...@computer>:
>
> >Then the "A"s..these tend to be the HEALTHY
> >vegetarians and vegans!  They thrive on little animal protein, get very
> >unhealthy with lots of red meat and thrive on high complex carb diets
etc.
> >They account for 35 - 40% of the human population, and many of the
official
> >heart and cancer friendly diets are truly good for them.
>
>
> Hm, I must read more about these things then. I am an A type
> and love the veggie-rich and complex carbohydrate stuff.
>
> I used to consider my meat intake an unnecessary luxury,
> but I always would use eggs. I am 49 with 20 year old bones
> (scanned this summer)...
>
> But it seems that it is not so simple if the blood genes
> and the digestion genes are neighbours and have created
> different strands of digestive types.



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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Heidrun Beer]

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:31:59 -0500, Jannette Abel wrote in
<00e401c3ac70$78064fa0$28f5c...@computer>:

>Then the "A"s..these tend to be the HEALTHY
>vegetarians and vegans!  They thrive on little animal protein, get very
>unhealthy with lots of red meat and thrive on high complex carb diets etc.
>They account for 35 - 40% of the human population, and many of the official
>heart and cancer friendly diets are truly good for them.  


Hm, I must read more about these things then. I am an A type
and love the veggie-rich and complex carbohydrate stuff. 

I used to consider my meat intake an unnecessary luxury,
but I always would use eggs. I am 49 with 20 year old bones
(scanned this summer)...

But it seems that it is not so simple if the blood genes
and the digestion genes are neighbours and have created
different strands of digestive types.





Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Jannette Abel]

Stuff,
You are on right track.  The majority of vegetarians are not in very good
health;  the others tend to be in excellent health!  Reason?  The majority
of vegetarians are blood type "O" and "B".  Read "Eat Right 4 Your Blood
Type" by Dr. Peter D'Adamo.  Blood type "O" people NEED red meat, almost no
grain for optimal health, and comprise 40 -45% of the human population.
Blood type "B", under the right circumstances can be successful vegetarians,
but do better with read meat and moderate carbohydrate consumption;  they
are 4 - 11% of the human population, and tend to be dispersed in specific
geographic groups.  Blood type "AB" is the rarest, 0 - 2% of the human
population, and in general have a lot of nutrition-based problems; digestion
is the killer for them!  Then the "A"s..these tend to be the HEALTHY
vegetarians and vegans!  They thrive on little animal protein, get very
unhealthy with lots of red meat and thrive on high complex carb diets etc.
They account for 35 - 40% of the human population, and many of the official
heart and cancer friendly diets are truly good for them.  The problem comes
in when a blood type O is fed a blood type A friendly diet...it is
disastrous!   This anomaly may be the key to why we respond SO differently
to various diets.
Note:  the reason why blood type plays such an important role in digestion
is because the genes that control blood type are placed with the genes that
affect/determine digestion on the human DNA strand.  This placement varies
between species, e.g., horses have 8 different blood types, resulting in 16
different combinations, however, on their DNA strand, the genes are placed
among the genes affecting coat, and therefore affect coat color, textures,
etc.

Jannette

 From: "Stuff" 
 Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


>
> I'll stick with my wide variety of meats, potatoes, salads,
> veggies and little fruit and nuts and beer...bread in a bottle.
>
> Power food. Big boy food. Food for thinking.
>
> Every vegetarian I've ever known looked like they were
> walking northbound on the tracks and never saw the
> southbound express hit 'em dead on.
>
> I'll bet ur gonna tell me now that all those vegetarians weren't
> eating the right veggies.
>



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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Kimberly Sharples]

My naturopathic doctor said that she didn't feel the Atkins Diet was healthy 
diet...
Interesting.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sara Mandal-Joy 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:21 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


  As far as getting sick at the beginning, that is a natural part of the 
"getting well" detoxification process of getting the carb overload out of your 
body, and some of the worst of what processed foods weigh you down with.  
Everyone that starts Atkins, or everyone that I know, goes through about three 
days of hell, feeling sicker than a dog.  For some it lasts a little longer, 
especially if they are stopping coffee/caffeine at the same time - encouraged 
on atkins.  THEN, once the worst of the detox is over, suddenly you start 
feeling better than you've ever felt.  Ever.  Energy out the wazoo.
  The only ones I know who don't have this high energy experience are those 
trying to do their own version of atkins, - such as doing zero carbs.  Everyone 
I know who follows the book, feels great after the first initial detox period.  
There are more "downs" later as you deal with emotional issues around food 
triggers you are missing, and such.  But physically, there is this huge 
improvement.

  As to the doctors.  That is simply misinformation.  Yes, 5 years ago your 
statement would have been correct.  Today most heart doctors are highly 
recommending Atkins to their patients.  A vast majority of doctors today are 
encouraging patients to try Atkins - because the independent research is 
finally being done and published, that backs up what Dr. Atkins was saying all 
along.  It doesn't hurt.  It helps.  Joy
but when I become more sick than I was simply by starting a diet...that 
should be a clue for me to stop the diet99% of the doctors of the world 
say that most of these diets are dangerous anyway.I tend to agree in 
some ways...Robb

Re: CS>Diabetes

[Kimberly Sharples]

wonder how much the blood type plays in to this..
I am 0 negative..tried a veggie diet..didn't lose any weight, didn't feel good, 
but then also tried the atkins diet...same thing, only I had diarrhea all the 
timeI do think that maybe we need to get organic meat and foods... the 
other meats usually have  a lot of antibiotics, pesticides, hormones, 
etcand the carbs again are probably better for you if you don't eat the 
"refined" carbs... white sugar, flour, etc
Kim


- Original Message - 
  From: Dean Miller 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


  On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:22:46 GMT, Heidrun Beer 
  wrote:

  >Genetically, judging by his teeth and the length 
  >of his intestine, the human body is a fruit-nut-grain 
  >eater. 

  NO!  The human being is completely a carnivore -- almost a
  super-carnivore.  The human digestive tract is even shorter (compared
  to body length) than a wolf/dog or cat.  That means it's even more
  highly adapted to meat than any other food type than other carnivores.

  From: <http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/carn_herb_comparison.html>

  There's a lot of detail (and a table) between the two quotes, below.

  "  Many people today aver that we are a vegetarian species, or at the
  very least, that we are able to live healthily on a diet composed
  almost entirely of foods of vegetable origin. This falsehood, for such
  it is, must be scotched from the start if the present unhealthy trends
  are to be reversed."

  "The gorilla is a herbivorous animal with a simple stomach. Robert
  Yerkes found that, in the wild, this vegetarian animal had many
  protozoa in its stomach which digested plant proteins and synthesised
  animal proteins.  In captivity, however, Yerkes noted that these
  protozoa gradually disappeared from the gorilla's stomach. In this
  state, the gorilla was unable to synthesise its own animal protein,
  and had to be fed meat, milk, or other animal proteins to remain
  healthy. "

  >Meat is an emergency food in the first place!
  >A high protein diet leads to an over-acidic body
  >with all its problems, to name only osteoporosis.

  No, vegetables are the emergency food supply for humans.  Our teeth
  allow a slightly wider range of nuts, etc. than is available to cats
  and dogs, but humans get sick on any diet than doesn't include a
  goodly amount of meat -- especially animal fat.

  >Vegetarian diet, on the other hand, can be eaten forever
  >without any negative consequences.

  Absolutely not!  The human gets sicker and weaker with every passing
  year on a vegetarian diet (I'm assuming that no eggs are eaten with
  this diet, as daily consumption of eggs, by themselves, will be able
  to mostly counteract the vegetarian diet).

  > The person needs only
  >to make sure that vitamin B12 (which is produced by 
  >bacteria in lactic fermentation of vegetables) is eaten
  >in sufficient quantities. 

  In addition to B12, the body needs a large amount of mineral
  supplements that are human-assimilable, because plants can't supply
  these nutrients (which are mainly found in animal fat).  Vegetarians
  are highly susceptible to calcium/magnesium loss, for example.  I'm
  not saying the minerals aren't in the plants, it's just that humans
  can't use them.

  >Also the food must be organic, or certain minerals (iron etc.) 
  >will have to be added. And basic reading about food must
  >have been done (for instance, to combine the right fruits
  >to make a complete protein, etc.)

  To get enough minerals from veggies, an enormous amount of food must
  be eaten.  Unfortunately, the human digestive system can't absorb most
  veggie nutrients in the upper digestive tract (because the veggies are
  digested enough) and the human lower digestive tract doesn't absorb
  anything except pure water -- so no minerals are absorbed there.

  Geeze, this has been known for a long time.

  -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

As far as getting sick at the beginning, that is a natural part of the "getting 
well" detoxification process of getting the carb overload out of your body, and 
some of the worst of what processed foods weigh you down with.  Everyone that 
starts Atkins, or everyone that I know, goes through about three days of hell, 
feeling sicker than a dog.  For some it lasts a little longer, especially if 
they are stopping coffee/caffeine at the same time - encouraged on atkins.  
THEN, once the worst of the detox is over, suddenly you start feeling better 
than you've ever felt.  Ever.  Energy out the wazoo.
The only ones I know who don't have this high energy experience are those 
trying to do their own version of atkins, - such as doing zero carbs.  Everyone 
I know who follows the book, feels great after the first initial detox period.  
There are more "downs" later as you deal with emotional issues around food 
triggers you are missing, and such.  But physically, there is this huge 
improvement.

As to the doctors.  That is simply misinformation.  Yes, 5 years ago your 
statement would have been correct.  Today most heart doctors are highly 
recommending Atkins to their patients.  A vast majority of doctors today are 
encouraging patients to try Atkins - because the independent research is 
finally being done and published, that backs up what Dr. Atkins was saying all 
along.  It doesn't hurt.  It helps.  Joy
  but when I become more sick than I was simply by starting a diet...that 
should be a clue for me to stop the diet99% of the doctors of the world 
say that most of these diets are dangerous anyway.I tend to agree in 
some ways...Robb

Re: CS>Diabetes

[Stuff]

I'll stick with my wide variety of meats, potatoes, salads,
veggies and little fruit and nuts and beer...bread in a bottle.

Power food. Big boy food. Food for thinking.

Every vegetarian I've ever known looked like they were
walking northbound on the tracks and never saw the
southbound express hit 'em dead on.

I'll bet ur gonna tell me now that all those vegetarians weren't
eating the right veggies.


At 05:22 PM 11/15/2003 +, you wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:37:16 -0600, Dan Nave wrote in
<000501c3ab96$bb58a9e0$48af7...@comcast.net>:

>It was my understanding that eating only muscle meat
>would not be healthy. A person would have to eat organ
>meats also.  (And fats, I suppose.)


Genetically, judging by his teeth and the length
of his intestine, the human body is a fruit-nut-grain
eater.

Meat is an emergency food in the first place!
A high protein diet leads to an over-acidic body
with all its problems, to name only osteoporosis.

Vegetarian diet, on the other hand, can be eaten forever
without any negative consequences. The person needs only
to make sure that vitamin B12 (which is produced by
bacteria in lactic fermentation of vegetables) is eaten
in sufficient quantities.

Also the food must be organic, or certain minerals (iron etc.)
will have to be added. And basic reading about food must
have been done (for instance, to combine the right fruits
to make a complete protein, etc.)





Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
http://www.sgmt.at


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RE: CS>Diabetes

[Robb Allen]

> Hi Robb,
>
Hi.I wasn't aware that I was arguing with anyoneof course I 
enjoy living..my diet isn't my problem..pathogens [probably lyme and 
yeast and certainly mycoplasma] are my problem..I'm actually doing much 
better than I was...I have quit all my bad habits right after I got 
sick.I am certainly open to any and all suggestionsit is a fact 
that I don't do well on a low carb diet..someone said it was mind over 
matterwell..I don't have a problem with willpower at all...but 
when I become more sick than I was simply by starting a diet...that should 
be a clue for me to stop the diet99% of the doctors of the world say 
that most of these diets are dangerous anyway.I tend to agree in some 
ways...Robb

> IF you enjoy living, and IF you want to correct any problems that 
> confront
> you, YOU have to be willing to LEARN some change and follow these changes 
> in
> order to regain your good health. Many that I share the good news about 
> CS
> with, like the Biblical expression,"They have eyes and will not see; they
> have ears and will not hear". At one time that really tore me up; Now I 
> have
> resigned to share good advice & CS with them and if they will not hear, 
> then
> I pray for them and usually attend their funeral.
>
> Please stop your arguing and correct your diet and habits to improve and
> prolong your life.
> If I can be of help, please let me know.
> Best regards,
> Richard Harris, 56 FL Pharmacist

Re: CS>Diabetes

[Stuff]

At 07:42 AM 11/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Seal and bear meat is similar to people meat and should therefore supply
all needed nutrients.
 It's said that pork is most like people.  A 'properly' fed and cared for,
or wild pig should be good meat.
 Rabbit and to a lesser extent deer, is too lean.  Plenty of protein,
minerals and vitamins but few carbs from fat.
 "Rabbit starvation"  A term that comes from pioneers and explorers who ate
nothing but rabbit and starved to death.


That's what I was looking for.


[add a few fat grubs...wood
shrimp. Vitamin C, D and A from inner pine bark and needles, violets,
"creeses salit" and other winter plants. Fish is good and easily trapped. ]

Ode

  At 12:21 PM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>There is a book, no doubt out of print, called; "The Book of the 7 Seas" by
>Peter Freuchen.  He was an Antarctic explorer who was marooned on an ice
>floe 2miles x 7 miles.  He wasn't rescued for seven years (7 years).  He
>lived on nothing but seal and polar bear meat for the whole time, and when
>he finally got back to civilization, his health was proclaimed to be
>perfect.
>Interesting what?
>
>- Original Message -----
>From: "Stuff" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:47 AM
>Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
>
>
>> The folks I've talked to who tried the Adkins diet had much good to say
>> about it.
>>
>> But my understanding, is that u can eat all the protein u can get in
>> u and die of starvation if u don't eat some carbs.
>>
>> Pure protein will eat u alive, so to speak. Only good in moderation.
>>
>> At 07:09 PM 11/13/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>> >Eating almost zero carbs for two weeks is NOT doing Atkins.  Atkins, even
>> >during induction, stresses a healthful variety of food, and stresses not
>> >going under 20 grams.
>> >Atkins is not a "diet" but a way of life, and involves eating a very
>> >balanced diet, with lots of fresh veggies and even some fruit, neither of
>> >which you can be eating if you are
>> >doing zero carbs.  People have strange ideas about Atkins.  Even in his
>> >older books he stressed balance and moderation.  In the older books he
>> >allowed for VERY brief introduction/induction period with largely no
>carbs.
>> >But research and understanding led him to modify that in all his later
>> >books.  Zero carbs is not healthy.Joy
>> >
>> >
>> > > That's the first thing that I did.   Been on almost zero carbs for
>about 2
>> > > weeks now.   I have used the Atkins diet to lose weight since 1968.
>Have
>> > > lost 11 lbs in 12 days, but blood sugar still in 140 to 170 range.   I
>> >have
>> > > always heard that the Atkins diet would "cure" diabetes, and I'm going
>to
>> > > cure it..
>> >
>> >
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RE: CS>Diabetes

[Richard Harris]

Hi Robb,

Your body is a portable chemical laboratory--the pasta, refined sugar and
carbs are broken down to sugar & fat which your body burns, then stores the
excess--meanwhile playing havoc with your Insulin supply and destroying your
health.

Please add the good things that you named (followed by . . .NO) and leave
off the pasta & potatoes and grains. There are many GOOD things in the
remaining food supply for you to enjoy.

Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Phamracist

-Original Message-
From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube211...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:31 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


fruits?no.vegatables?.no..eggs?..no...salads?...
.if I have to..I don't eat sweets much.never have eaten much  of
that...I like meat potatoes...grains.I have probably eaten more
pasta in my life than anything...I can eat
peanutscashews.Robb

- Original Message -
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


> Robb Allen wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what good advice you are talking about.I can't go
on
> > the atkins diet anywayI WON"T live on meat and cheese.and
there
> > is NOTHING else on the diet that I like
>
> You don't like nuts, vegetables, fruits, eggs or salads?  What do you like
then,
> only meats, sweets and breads?
>
> Marshall
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RE: CS>Diabetes

[Richard Harris]

Hi Robb,

IF you enjoy living, and IF you want to correct any problems that confront
you, YOU have to be willing to LEARN some change and follow these changes in
order to regain your good health. Many that I share the good news about CS
with, like the Biblical expression,"They have eyes and will not see; they
have ears and will not hear". At one time that really tore me up; Now I have
resigned to share good advice & CS with them and if they will not hear, then
I pray for them and usually attend their funeral.

Please stop your arguing and correct your diet and habits to improve and
prolong your life.
If I can be of help, please let me know.
Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube211...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


I'm not sure what good advice you are talking about.I can't go on
the atkins diet anywayI WON"T live on meat and cheese.and there
is NOTHING else on the diet that I likeAtkins would finish ruining
my health...There is a similar discussion on another group..about
the Hallalujah diet.which by the way is the most hideous diet I have
ever seenI'm sure there aren't many that could stick to that
diet...and if they did it wouldn't be living ...it would be
hellRobb

- Original Message -
From: "Richard Harris" 
To: 
Cc: "Richard Harris" 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Diabetes


> Hi Robb,
> Some people would "KICK" even if not playing football.
> Please hear the ezcellent advice Marshall, Dean & others have shared. As
for
> the cancer, CS & the Beck Protocol have cured many people that followed
it.
> Step up your CS intake together with the other good things & "fear not"!
> Best regards,
> Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube211...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:34 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
>
>
> I have heard some people say that the Atkins diet makes people prime
> candidates for cancer..any comments on this?.Robb
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
>
>
> > My wife use to have type II diabetes.  She no longer takes any medicine
> after
> > going on the Atkins diet.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Charles Sutton wrote:
> >
> > > I was diagnosed with type II diabetes last week.   I guess CS doesn't
> > > prevent it.   I hear the feds say there is no cure, so I know there is
> one
> > > somewhere.  any clues..??
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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Dean Miller]

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:22:46 GMT, Heidrun Beer 
wrote:

>Genetically, judging by his teeth and the length 
>of his intestine, the human body is a fruit-nut-grain 
>eater. 

NO!  The human being is completely a carnivore -- almost a
super-carnivore.  The human digestive tract is even shorter (compared
to body length) than a wolf/dog or cat.  That means it's even more
highly adapted to meat than any other food type than other carnivores.

From: 

There's a lot of detail (and a table) between the two quotes, below.

"  Many people today aver that we are a vegetarian species, or at the
very least, that we are able to live healthily on a diet composed
almost entirely of foods of vegetable origin. This falsehood, for such
it is, must be scotched from the start if the present unhealthy trends
are to be reversed."

"The gorilla is a herbivorous animal with a simple stomach. Robert
Yerkes found that, in the wild, this vegetarian animal had many
protozoa in its stomach which digested plant proteins and synthesised
animal proteins.  In captivity, however, Yerkes noted that these
protozoa gradually disappeared from the gorilla's stomach. In this
state, the gorilla was unable to synthesise its own animal protein,
and had to be fed meat, milk, or other animal proteins to remain
healthy. "

>Meat is an emergency food in the first place!
>A high protein diet leads to an over-acidic body
>with all its problems, to name only osteoporosis.

No, vegetables are the emergency food supply for humans.  Our teeth
allow a slightly wider range of nuts, etc. than is available to cats
and dogs, but humans get sick on any diet than doesn't include a
goodly amount of meat -- especially animal fat.

>Vegetarian diet, on the other hand, can be eaten forever
>without any negative consequences.

Absolutely not!  The human gets sicker and weaker with every passing
year on a vegetarian diet (I'm assuming that no eggs are eaten with
this diet, as daily consumption of eggs, by themselves, will be able
to mostly counteract the vegetarian diet).

> The person needs only
>to make sure that vitamin B12 (which is produced by 
>bacteria in lactic fermentation of vegetables) is eaten
>in sufficient quantities. 

In addition to B12, the body needs a large amount of mineral
supplements that are human-assimilable, because plants can't supply
these nutrients (which are mainly found in animal fat).  Vegetarians
are highly susceptible to calcium/magnesium loss, for example.  I'm
not saying the minerals aren't in the plants, it's just that humans
can't use them.

>Also the food must be organic, or certain minerals (iron etc.) 
>will have to be added. And basic reading about food must
>have been done (for instance, to combine the right fruits
>to make a complete protein, etc.)

To get enough minerals from veggies, an enormous amount of food must
be eaten.  Unfortunately, the human digestive system can't absorb most
veggie nutrients in the upper digestive tract (because the veggies are
digested enough) and the human lower digestive tract doesn't absorb
anything except pure water -- so no minerals are absorbed there.

Geeze, this has been known for a long time.

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Robb Allen]

This is the whole problem I have with all the health protocol/diet internet
sites..you can read something and get all fired up about it...and
make one click and end up with the exact oposite.it all seems to
coincide with whatever that particular website it trying to sell you
just like the Hacres.com web site and their stupid green
drink..Robb

- Original Message -
From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


> Actually, I have read the exact opposite, and seen chart comparisons
> with gut length and body mass, etc, to prove it. I can't judge the
> truth of the intestine length, but humans do NOT have herbivore teeth,
> nor quite carnivore teeth, but something in between. And unlike
> herbivores which have GI bacteria dependent digestive processes and
> fermentive organs (chambered stomachs like cows and sheep, or large
> cecums in hind gut fermenters like horses and rabbits, a human's
> digestive processes are entirely dependent on acids and enzymes, the
> "good" gut bacteria are way too far down in the lower bowel to have
> any role in digestion.
> paula
> - Original Message -
> From: "Heidrun Beer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
>
>
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:37:16 -0600, Dan Nave wrote in
> > <000501c3ab96$bb58a9e0$48af7...@comcast.net>:
> >
> > >It was my understanding that eating only muscle meat
> > >would not be healthy. A person would have to eat organ
> > >meats also.  (And fats, I suppose.)
> >
> >
> > Genetically, judging by his teeth and the length
> > of his intestine, the human body is a fruit-nut-grain
> > eater.
> >
> > Meat is an emergency food in the first place!
> > A high protein diet leads to an over-acidic body
> > with all its problems, to name only osteoporosis.
> >
> > Vegetarian diet, on the other hand, can be eaten forever
> > without any negative consequences. The person needs only
> > to make sure that vitamin B12 (which is produced by
> > bacteria in lactic fermentation of vegetables) is eaten
> > in sufficient quantities.
> >
> > Also the food must be organic, or certain minerals (iron etc.)
> > will have to be added. And basic reading about food must
> > have been done (for instance, to combine the right fruits
> > to make a complete protein, etc.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Heidrun Beer
> >
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Re: CS>Diabetes

[sol]

Actually, I have read the exact opposite, and seen chart comparisons
with gut length and body mass, etc, to prove it. I can't judge the
truth of the intestine length, but humans do NOT have herbivore teeth,
nor quite carnivore teeth, but something in between. And unlike
herbivores which have GI bacteria dependent digestive processes and
fermentive organs (chambered stomachs like cows and sheep, or large
cecums in hind gut fermenters like horses and rabbits, a human's
digestive processes are entirely dependent on acids and enzymes, the
"good" gut bacteria are way too far down in the lower bowel to have
any role in digestion.
paula
- Original Message - 
From: "Heidrun Beer" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:37:16 -0600, Dan Nave wrote in
> <000501c3ab96$bb58a9e0$48af7...@comcast.net>:
>
> >It was my understanding that eating only muscle meat
> >would not be healthy. A person would have to eat organ
> >meats also.  (And fats, I suppose.)
>
>
> Genetically, judging by his teeth and the length
> of his intestine, the human body is a fruit-nut-grain
> eater.
>
> Meat is an emergency food in the first place!
> A high protein diet leads to an over-acidic body
> with all its problems, to name only osteoporosis.
>
> Vegetarian diet, on the other hand, can be eaten forever
> without any negative consequences. The person needs only
> to make sure that vitamin B12 (which is produced by
> bacteria in lactic fermentation of vegetables) is eaten
> in sufficient quantities.
>
> Also the food must be organic, or certain minerals (iron etc.)
> will have to be added. And basic reading about food must
> have been done (for instance, to combine the right fruits
> to make a complete protein, etc.)
>
>
>
>
>
> Heidrun Beer
>
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> http://www.sgmt.at
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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Jannette Abel]

This is one of the reasons given why immunics can work.
www.immunics.org

 Jannette


 From: "Ode Coyote" 
 >
>   The brain has an almost absolute power to form the body according to
what
> the mind thinks.
>  Variences in treatments have to do with the fact that no one knows what
> 99.99% of their mind is doing or why.
>  Spontaneous remissions and the successes of the Witchdoctor are rooted
> there as well. Both cures and diseases can be instantaneously achieved.
>  Circumstances are but plausable excuses.[Justifications]
>   Huge tumors have been known to vanish over night and come back just as
> big the next week.
>  Some people can live in the midst of the most virulant plague and never
> get sick...not just "not sick" because their immune system is really good
> at fighting, but not sick because they never even had to fight.  The
> disease was irrelevent to their purpose.
>
>   It can even be said that the scientific successes [and failures] are a
> matter of accepted symbology...that all medicine is magic.
>  Any given symbol never means exactly the same thing to any other person
as
> we each live in an entirely different, but similar in appearance,
universe.
>  "Mind" transcends the limits of this body and this lifetime. Every event,
> be it the fight or the surrender..or the 'non event',  serves the larger
> purpose of your 'root' beings desire to experience.
>
>   For the sake of clarity and perspective, 'mind' contains the brain...not
> the other way around.
> Brain is the translator and executor, a computer, so to speak.  It doesn't
> think, it sorts thought into and out of awareness according to relevance
to
> the program it's running. [This is why there's no talking to a "believer"]
>
>  The program can be altered.
>  Faith healing, prayer, hypnosis and so on [yes, even hospitals and drugs]
> are methods of altering programs.
>  Often these things are temporary because the old program has merely been
> suspended by permission and a new one run 'on approval'. [Failure is by
the
> same reason]
>  No will can conquer another. Each is as equally powerful as the next. [No
> one can change anothers mind, they can only persuade it to change
> itself...IF...it will listen in the first place.]
>
>  Look at the symbology of silver.
> Rare and valued but not unobtainable. [available to those who seek it]
> True Mirror. [reflection]
> Communication and trade. [of thought?]
> Conductivity...making connection [best electrical and thermal conductor of
> all the metals]
>  Easily alloyed with or bonded to almost any other metal. [Interfaces]
> Noble metal.
>  Moon metal [Mother...creation.   Gold is sun metal..Father...influence]
>
>  Ode



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Re: CS>Diabetes / Meat cancer link

[mamapug]

> Tryptophan is an amino acid, or so I've always thought?
> paula

You are right, Paula, that`s the word I was looking for!
Marshalee


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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Heidrun Beer]

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:37:16 -0600, Dan Nave wrote in
<000501c3ab96$bb58a9e0$48af7...@comcast.net>:

>It was my understanding that eating only muscle meat 
>would not be healthy. A person would have to eat organ 
>meats also.  (And fats, I suppose.)


Genetically, judging by his teeth and the length 
of his intestine, the human body is a fruit-nut-grain 
eater. 

Meat is an emergency food in the first place!
A high protein diet leads to an over-acidic body
with all its problems, to name only osteoporosis.

Vegetarian diet, on the other hand, can be eaten forever
without any negative consequences. The person needs only
to make sure that vitamin B12 (which is produced by 
bacteria in lactic fermentation of vegetables) is eaten
in sufficient quantities. 

Also the food must be organic, or certain minerals (iron etc.) 
will have to be added. And basic reading about food must
have been done (for instance, to combine the right fruits
to make a complete protein, etc.)





Heidrun Beer

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Re: CS>Diabetes / Meat cancer link

[sol]

Tryptophan is an amino acid, or so I've always thought?
paula
- Original Message - 
From: "mamapug" 
> >
> >  Turkey meat has high levels of tryptofan [sp?]..a powerful drug
possibly
> > similar to non stimulant anti depressants.
>
> Tryptophane isn`t a drug, it is a natural hormone, and a precursor
to
> Serotonin, the brain neurotransmitter that makes one calm and sleepy
and
> undepressed.
> The one that Prozac tries to keep in the brain.
> (Been there, used that.)
> Marshalee



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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Dan Nave]

It was my understanding that eating only muscle meat would not be healthy.  
A person would have to eat organ meats also.  (And fats, I suppose.)

Dan

Re: CS>Diabetes

* From: Dean Miller (view other messages by this author)
* Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:52:17

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:47:42 -0600, Stuff  wrote:

>But my understanding, is that u can eat all the protein u can get in
>u and die of starvation if u don't eat some carbs.
>
>Pure protein will eat u alive, so to speak. Only good in moderation.

That's absolutely incorrect!   Well, half incorrect.  Nobody can live
on pure protein (where do you get it?).  Fats have to be a major part
of your diet (and protein usually comes along for the ride).  

There are people who eat only animal fats and protein all their life
-- NO carbs.  They're considered the healthiest people in the world
(no diabetes, no heart or circulatory problems, no cancers, no
obesity).  Also, some time ago, two NYC MDs decided to run a test on
themselves by eating only meat for a year.  They were carefully
monitored (one lived in Bellevue hospital during the year), and both
were more healthy at the end of the year than when they started.

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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Re: CS>Diabetes / Meat cancer link

[mamapug]

>
>  Turkey meat has high levels of tryptofan [sp?]..a powerful drug possibly
> similar to non stimulant anti depressants.

Tryptophane isn`t a drug, it is a natural hormone, and a precursor to
Serotonin, the brain neurotransmitter that makes one calm and sleepy and
undepressed.
The one that Prozac tries to keep in the brain.
(Been there, used that.)
Marshalee


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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Ode Coyote]

Seal and bear meat is similar to people meat and should therefore supply
all needed nutrients.
 It's said that pork is most like people.  A 'properly' fed and cared for,
or wild pig should be good meat.
 Rabbit and to a lesser extent deer, is too lean.  Plenty of protein,
minerals and vitamins but few carbs from fat.
 "Rabbit starvation"  A term that comes from pioneers and explorers who ate
nothing but rabbit and starved to death. [add a few fat grubs...wood
shrimp. Vitamin C, D and A from inner pine bark and needles, violets,
"creeses salit" and other winter plants. Fish is good and easily trapped. ]

Ode

  At 12:21 PM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>There is a book, no doubt out of print, called; "The Book of the 7 Seas" by
>Peter Freuchen.  He was an Antarctic explorer who was marooned on an ice
>floe 2miles x 7 miles.  He wasn't rescued for seven years (7 years).  He
>lived on nothing but seal and polar bear meat for the whole time, and when
>he finally got back to civilization, his health was proclaimed to be
>perfect.
>Interesting what?
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Stuff" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:47 AM
>Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
>
>
>> The folks I've talked to who tried the Adkins diet had much good to say
>> about it.
>>
>> But my understanding, is that u can eat all the protein u can get in
>> u and die of starvation if u don't eat some carbs.
>>
>> Pure protein will eat u alive, so to speak. Only good in moderation.
>>
>> At 07:09 PM 11/13/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>> >Eating almost zero carbs for two weeks is NOT doing Atkins.  Atkins, even
>> >during induction, stresses a healthful variety of food, and stresses not
>> >going under 20 grams.
>> >Atkins is not a "diet" but a way of life, and involves eating a very
>> >balanced diet, with lots of fresh veggies and even some fruit, neither of
>> >which you can be eating if you are
>> >doing zero carbs.  People have strange ideas about Atkins.  Even in his
>> >older books he stressed balance and moderation.  In the older books he
>> >allowed for VERY brief introduction/induction period with largely no
>carbs.
>> >But research and understanding led him to modify that in all his later
>> >books.  Zero carbs is not healthy.Joy
>> >
>> >
>> > > That's the first thing that I did.   Been on almost zero carbs for
>about 2
>> > > weeks now.   I have used the Atkins diet to lose weight since 1968.
>Have
>> > > lost 11 lbs in 12 days, but blood sugar still in 140 to 170 range.   I
>> >have
>> > > always heard that the Atkins diet would "cure" diabetes, and I'm going
>to
>> > > cure it..
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: CS>Diabetes / Meat cancer link

[Ode Coyote]

  Symbolgy of 'turkey'
 Stupid
unthinking [But wild ones are quite crafty]

 Turkey meat has high levels of tryptofan [sp?]..a powerful drug possibly
similar to non stimulant anti depressants.
 Most often eaten at times when people don't have to, like, work and have
time to relax.

Turkey.  A feathered chill pill.
...could be curative on many levels.
 Eat and sleep well.
 Pheasant dreams?

Ode

 Most people are like chickens. [very much awake, yet unaware,
opportunistic...and gossipy]
Pecking order...civilization...scratching out a living.



At 10:59 AM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Sara Mandal-Joy wrote:
>
>> doing Atkins does not require eating red meat, or portk, or for that matter
>> any meat.
>
>That is true, neither my wife nor I have eaten any beef in several years now.
>We cut that out when the mad cow thing got scary.  Just bought two turkeys
for
>49 cents a pound. that is less expensive than vegetables, breads and almost
>anything else.
>
>Marshall
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RE: CS>Diabetes

[Ode Coyote]

  The brain has an almost absolute power to form the body according to what
the mind thinks.
 Variences in treatments have to do with the fact that no one knows what
99.99% of their mind is doing or why.
 Spontaneous remissions and the successes of the Witchdoctor are rooted
there as well. Both cures and diseases can be instantaneously achieved.
 Circumstances are but plausable excuses.[Justifications]
  Huge tumors have been known to vanish over night and come back just as
big the next week.
 Some people can live in the midst of the most virulant plague and never
get sick...not just "not sick" because their immune system is really good
at fighting, but not sick because they never even had to fight.  The
disease was irrelevent to their purpose.

  It can even be said that the scientific successes [and failures] are a
matter of accepted symbology...that all medicine is magic.
 Any given symbol never means exactly the same thing to any other person as
we each live in an entirely different, but similar in appearance, universe.
 "Mind" transcends the limits of this body and this lifetime. Every event,
be it the fight or the surrender..or the 'non event',  serves the larger
purpose of your 'root' beings desire to experience.

  For the sake of clarity and perspective, 'mind' contains the brain...not
the other way around. 
Brain is the translator and executor, a computer, so to speak.  It doesn't
think, it sorts thought into and out of awareness according to relevance to
the program it's running. [This is why there's no talking to a "believer"]

 The program can be altered.
 Faith healing, prayer, hypnosis and so on [yes, even hospitals and drugs]
are methods of altering programs.
 Often these things are temporary because the old program has merely been
suspended by permission and a new one run 'on approval'. [Failure is by the
same reason]
 No will can conquer another. Each is as equally powerful as the next. [No
one can change anothers mind, they can only persuade it to change
itself...IF...it will listen in the first place.]

 Look at the symbology of silver.
Rare and valued but not unobtainable. [available to those who seek it]
True Mirror. [reflection]
Communication and trade. [of thought?]
Conductivity...making connection [best electrical and thermal conductor of
all the metals]
 Easily alloyed with or bonded to almost any other metal. [Interfaces]
Noble metal.
 Moon metal [Mother...creation.   Gold is sun metal..Father...influence]

 Ode


At 09:40 AM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Kimberly-
>I think it has to do with our bodies resistance.  It is like why can some
people smoke for 50 years and not get lung cancer.  If you eat a lot of
refined (processed) sugars your body will become suceptible to a wide
variety of conditions, including diabetes.  This is not to say that you
will get them.  But you will put your body at a higher risk.  There are
more factors other than diet such as exercise, mental health, stress
levels, genes, etc...These also play a huge part.  I think that if you have
a high carb, high refined sugar diet you are putting yourself at risk and
when you get older you are way more likely to develop conditions like
diabetes.  Like I said before there are other factors...but I think the
bottom line is to avoid refined, processed sugars.  Eating fresh, raw
fruits and vegetables can correct a lot of problems..
>Rob
>
>   -Original Message- 
>   From: Kimberly Sharples [mailto:wksharp...@msn.com] 
>       Sent: Fri 11/14/2003 3:21 AM 
>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>   Cc: 
>   Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
>   
>   
>   so why do you think it is that some people can eat tons of carbs and
sugars and never get diabetes??? and then others do
>   I think it contributes, but I don't think it causes it, or everyone who
ate lots of carbs and sugars would have diabetes
>
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Rob Combis <mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com>  
>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:32 PM
>   Subject: RE: CS>Diabetes
>
>   I could not agree more.  This is definitely a condition not a 
> disease.
It is very easily reverseable.  There is an herbal remedies group on yahoo
where you can learn a lot from asking questions about this.  I have learned
a ton there.  Your diet is vital in reversing this.  Stay away from carbs
and especially refined sugars.  As you body gets bombarded with sugar in
order for it to burn off the sugar it excretes insulin.  After a while your
body develops a resistance to insulin and must produce more and more to
burn off the sugar.  This resistance to insulin is called, diabetes.  Here
is a post from the herbal remedies group that talks a little

Re: CS>Diabetes

[Dean Miller]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:35:18 -0600, Stuff  wrote:

>At 01:50 PM 11/14/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:47:42 -0600, Stuff  wrote:
>>
>> >But my understanding, is that u can eat all the protein u can get in
>> >u and die of starvation if u don't eat some carbs.
>> >
>> >Pure protein will eat u alive, so to speak. Only good in moderation.
>>
>>That's absolutely incorrect!   Well, half incorrect.  Nobody can live
>>on pure protein (where do you get it?).  Fats have to be a major part
>>of your diet (and protein usually comes along for the ride).
>
>Then what is the mechanism in a high protein low carb diet
>that brings on weight loss? And what might be the limits if
>there are any?

I'd look it up if I had the time.  The best explanation I've found is
in the book "Life Without Bread" by doctors Allan and Lutz.
Basically, the body produces special cells that process the extra
carbohydrates (with the use of insulin) into fat to be stored.  As
more fat (not protein) and much fewer carbs are ingested, these
special cells, that are associated with the excess body fat, are
"burned off" along with the fat.  This could take a few weeks or
months (or years, I suppose, for some people) until the excess fat is
gone.

Please look at:  


>The leaner the meat, the less the fats along with no carbs?

I buy meat with more fat.  I don't get 90% lean hamburger, but 75%
lean, for example.  Much better taste besides being cheaper and
healthier.

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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Re: CS>Diabetes

[sol]

Because everybody is not the same. That's the problem with "one size fits all" 
diet advice, whether for weight loss, or health maintenance, what makes one 
person healthy makes another sick. I really like "The Metabolic Typing Diet" it 
helped me understand why I got so sick on a vegetarian and near vegan diet.
paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kimberly Sharples 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 1:21 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


  so why do you think it is that some people can eat tons of carbs and sugars 
and never get diabetes??? and then others do
  I think it contributes, but I don't think it causes it, or everyone who ate 
lots of carbs and sugars would have diabetes

Re: CS>Diabetes

[Charles Sutton]

Wow~!  Thanks ..

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


> Wayne Fugitt wrote:
>
> > Evening Charles,
> >
> >  Try eating 5 to 10 almonds per hour, by the clock.
>
> I might add, if you start getting headaches, drop back on the almonds.
Some
> people do not handle the cyanide as well as others.
>
> Marshall
>
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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Stuff]

At 01:50 PM 11/14/2003 -0600, you wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:47:42 -0600, Stuff  wrote:

>But my understanding, is that u can eat all the protein u can get in
>u and die of starvation if u don't eat some carbs.
>
>Pure protein will eat u alive, so to speak. Only good in moderation.

That's absolutely incorrect!   Well, half incorrect.  Nobody can live
on pure protein (where do you get it?).  Fats have to be a major part
of your diet (and protein usually comes along for the ride).


Then what is the mechanism in a high protein low carb diet
that brings on weight loss? And what might be the limits if
there are any?

The leaner the meat, the less the fats along with no carbs?

Don't think I wanna go there.

That's my point.


There are people who eat only animal fats and protein all their life
-- NO carbs.  They're considered the healthiest people in the world
(no diabetes, no heart or circulatory problems, no cancers, no
obesity).  Also, some time ago, two NYC MDs decided to run a test on
themselves by eating only meat for a year.  They were carefully
monitored (one lived in Bellevue hospital during the year), and both
were more healthy at the end of the year than when they started.


stuff


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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Robb Allen]

This is what I said...this is a copy/paste.
I have heard some people say that the Atkins diet makes people
> prime candidates for cancer
 then I said .
The argument is that it lowers your ph

lowering the ph because of all the meat and cheese would mosts likely lower
your ph making you more suceptable to cancerthat is what I
saidRobb

- Original Message -
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes


> Well this is the exchange:
>
> I wrote:
> I have never heard that before.  Why would anyone think that carbohydrates
would
> decrease the risk of cancer?
>
> Your answer was:
> The argument is that it lowers your ph.which may be true..?
>
> So I totally confused.  If you say that sugar lowers ph, and that prevents
> cancer, I would read that as saying that low ph is good.
>
> How are you interpreting it?
>
> Marshall
>
>
>
> Robb Allen wrote:
>
> > ummmnoI didn'tI have been saying all along that a ph
> > decrease is bad..I'm well aware of how ph works...Robb
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> >
> > > You said that sugars lower your pH. That means they make you more
acid.
> > >
> > > I say that acid makes you more likely to get cancer.
> > >
> > > You said that more sugars make you less likely to get cancer. Thus
that is
> > > opposite of what I am saying.
> > >
> > > We have a disconnect here somewhere.
> > >
> > > Marshall
> > >
> > > Robb Allen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thats what I just said.Robb
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:26 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> > > >
> > > > > Everything I have read indicates that low pH increases the cancer
> > risk,
> > > > not
> > > > > reduces it. And that in some cases simply raising pH will
eliminate
> > some
> > > > > cancers.  That is why everyone wants to alkalinize the body.  Acid
not
> > > > only
> > > > > increases cancer, but give lots of other problems such as brittle
> > bones,
> > > > > arthritis and kidney stones.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marshall
> > > > >
> > > > > Robb Allen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The argument is that it lowers your ph.which may be
> > > > > > true..?I can't seem to stay on it so I can't
> > say.besides
> > > > my
> > > > > > ph is already low anywayRobb
> > > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:31 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have never heard that before.  Why would anyone think that
> > > > carbohydrates
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > decrease the risk of cancer?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Marshall
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robb Allen wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have heard some people say that the Atkins diet makes
people
> > prime
> > > > > > > > candidates for cancer..any comments on
> > this?.Robb
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > > > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:51 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My wife use to have type II diabetes.  She no longer takes
any
> > > > > > medicine
> > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > going on the Atkins diet.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Marshall
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Charles Sutton wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I was diagnosed with type II diabetes last week.   I
guess
> > CS
> > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > > prevent it.   I hear the feds say there is no cure, so I
> > know
> > > > there
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > somewhere.  any clues..??
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Re: CS>Diabetes

[Marshall Dudley]

Well this is the exchange:

I wrote:
I have never heard that before.  Why would anyone think that carbohydrates would
decrease the risk of cancer?

Your answer was:
The argument is that it lowers your ph.which may be true..?

So I totally confused.  If you say that sugar lowers ph, and that prevents
cancer, I would read that as saying that low ph is good.

How are you interpreting it?

Marshall



Robb Allen wrote:

> ummmnoI didn'tI have been saying all along that a ph
> decrease is bad..I'm well aware of how ph works...Robb
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
>
> > You said that sugars lower your pH. That means they make you more acid.
> >
> > I say that acid makes you more likely to get cancer.
> >
> > You said that more sugars make you less likely to get cancer. Thus that is
> > opposite of what I am saying.
> >
> > We have a disconnect here somewhere.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Robb Allen wrote:
> >
> > > Thats what I just said.Robb
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:26 AM
> > > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> > >
> > > > Everything I have read indicates that low pH increases the cancer
> risk,
> > > not
> > > > reduces it. And that in some cases simply raising pH will eliminate
> some
> > > > cancers.  That is why everyone wants to alkalinize the body.  Acid not
> > > only
> > > > increases cancer, but give lots of other problems such as brittle
> bones,
> > > > arthritis and kidney stones.
> > > >
> > > > Marshall
> > > >
> > > > Robb Allen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The argument is that it lowers your ph.which may be
> > > > > true..?I can't seem to stay on it so I can't
> say.besides
> > > my
> > > > > ph is already low anywayRobb
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:31 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have never heard that before.  Why would anyone think that
> > > carbohydrates
> > > > > would
> > > > > > decrease the risk of cancer?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marshall
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robb Allen wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have heard some people say that the Atkins diet makes people
> prime
> > > > > > > candidates for cancer..any comments on
> this?.Robb
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:51 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: CS>Diabetes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My wife use to have type II diabetes.  She no longer takes any
> > > > > medicine
> > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > going on the Atkins diet.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Marshall
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Charles Sutton wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was diagnosed with type II diabetes last week.   I guess
> CS
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > prevent it.   I hear the feds say there is no cure, so I
> know
> > > there
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > somewhere.  any clues..??
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Re: CS>Diabetes /diet

[kittykat]

Has anyone heard of the Dash Diet?  My doctor told me about it because I
have high blood pressure, but I wondered if it would do my diabetes any
good.  I will be researching it, but wondered if anyone has been on it or
heard of it?

Debbie


- Original Message - 
From: "silversurfer1952 ." 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 1:59 PM
Subject: CS>Diabetes / Low carb diet


> Hi Robb,
>
> There are other diets besides Atkins one could follow that would help
> stabalize diabetes.  Example: Years back when I was at the Hippocrates
> Institute in Boston (now in Florida), I met a married couple who were
there
> on account of the husband's cancer.  As they were following the diet, the
> wife who had diabetes found that she had to steadily decrease the amount
of
> insulin she was taking.  Without a high carb diet, the insulin wasn't
needed
> as much.   The Hippocrates diet is a raw vegetarian one.
>
> I have an excellent low carb diet book by Diana Schwarzbein, MD.  The two
> diets she outlines (one meat-based, one vegetarian) are balanced and easy
to
> follow.  It takes a little "carb counting" at first to get used to things,
> but it only took me one week of counting before I was able to eye-ball
> things and know how many carbs I was getting.
>
> A friend of mine of over 30 years developed diabetes a few years ago.  She
> is following some sort of low carb diet but I don't know which one (I
could
> find out though).  She actually started the diet in order to lose weight
and
> lower her high blood pressure, both of which she has suceeded in doing.
> Almost as a by-product of the diet she found her diabetes stabalizing.  I
> don't know the particulars of her "disease" as we no longer live in the
same
> city and write only infrequently, but I know she's doing much, much
better.
>
> Btw, it's not uncommon for kibble-fed housecats to develop diabetes.  In a
> newly diagnosed cat, it *is* possible to turn around the condition by
> supporting the pancreas and other organs with "glandulars" from Standard
> Process for example, and by feeding a meat-based low-carb diet.  Cats are,
> after all, obligate carnivores.  In fact, if I were diabetic I too would
> take these glandulars (eg: Pancreatrophin), and follow a low carb diet of
> course.  Seek out a good naturopath in your area.
>
> all the best,
> Elle
>
> From: Robb Allen (view other messages by this author)
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:25:35
> --
--
>
> I'm not sure what good advice you are talking about.I can't go on
> the atkins diet anywayI WON"T live on meat and cheese.and
there
> is NOTHING else on the diet that I likeAtkins would finish ruining
> my health...There is a similar discussion on another group..about
> the Hallalujah diet.which by the way is the most hideous diet I have
> ever seenI'm sure there aren't many that could stick to that
> diet...and if they did it wouldn't be living ...it would be
> hellRobb
>
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Re: CS>Diabetes / Low carb diet

[Robb Allen]

I DON"T HAVE DIABETES

- Original Message -
From: "silversurfer1952 ." 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: CS>Diabetes / Low carb diet


> Hi Robb,
>
> There are other diets besides Atkins one could follow that would help
> stabalize diabetes.  Example: Years back when I was at the Hippocrates
> Institute in Boston (now in Florida), I met a married couple who were
there
> on account of the husband's cancer.  As they were following the diet, the
> wife who had diabetes found that she had to steadily decrease the amount
of
> insulin she was taking.  Without a high carb diet, the insulin wasn't
needed
> as much.   The Hippocrates diet is a raw vegetarian one.
>
> I have an excellent low carb diet book by Diana Schwarzbein, MD.  The two
> diets she outlines (one meat-based, one vegetarian) are balanced and easy
to
> follow.  It takes a little "carb counting" at first to get used to things,
> but it only took me one week of counting before I was able to eye-ball
> things and know how many carbs I was getting.
>
> A friend of mine of over 30 years developed diabetes a few years ago.  She
> is following some sort of low carb diet but I don't know which one (I
could
> find out though).  She actually started the diet in order to lose weight
and
> lower her high blood pressure, both of which she has suceeded in doing.
> Almost as a by-product of the diet she found her diabetes stabalizing.  I
> don't know the particulars of her "disease" as we no longer live in the
same
> city and write only infrequently, but I know she's doing much, much
better.
>
> Btw, it's not uncommon for kibble-fed housecats to develop diabetes.  In a
> newly diagnosed cat, it *is* possible to turn around the condition by
> supporting the pancreas and other organs with "glandulars" from Standard
> Process for example, and by feeding a meat-based low-carb diet.  Cats are,
> after all, obligate carnivores.  In fact, if I were diabetic I too would
> take these glandulars (eg: Pancreatrophin), and follow a low carb diet of
> course.  Seek out a good naturopath in your area.
>
> all the best,
> Elle
>
> From: Robb Allen (view other messages by this author)
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:25:35
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> I'm not sure what good advice you are talking about.I can't go on
> the atkins diet anywayI WON"T live on meat and cheese.and
there
> is NOTHING else on the diet that I likeAtkins would finish ruining
> my health...There is a similar discussion on another group..about
> the Hallalujah diet.which by the way is the most hideous diet I have
> ever seenI'm sure there aren't many that could stick to that
> diet...and if they did it wouldn't be living ...it would be
> hellRobb
>
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