Re: QUESTION: RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
For me there's a bit of a sting due to the capsicum in the eyebright formula. Tolerable for me as it goes by rather quickly. YMMV.. We are all individuals. Chuck If the shoe fits, get another one just like it. On 10/21/2009 11:12:20 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote: cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I've used it every day for several years. As Martha Stewart says It's a good thing. But, does it cause you a lot of pain? If it does you can do it anyway? LOL, sol No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.27/2452 - Release Date: 10/22/09 18:44:00
Re: QUESTION: RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Nope! You got it right. Health isn't for wimps... Chuck if it really is going to be the end of the world I hope they cover it on CNN so I can record it On 10/20/2009 7:58:31 PM, Lisa (blacksa...@comcast.net) wrote: Hi All I made Mike's recipe after receiving my Eyebright from Doc Christopher. Is it really supposed to burn so terribly bad?!?!?! I measured it exactly... 1 oz CS, 1 tsp MSM powder, 15 drops of Eyebright Tincture and a couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO -- which wound up being two dropperfuls that were about half way filled. I don't have an eyecup so I used the dropper and got maybe one or two drops in each eye...I have to say, it burnt like hell! What can I do to make it not sting so badly? Dilute with more CS (rather EIS)? And how often do I do this...once at night? THANK YOU! Lisa P.S. I did find that 5 drops in distilled water (Doc's suggestion) stung just a little bit...but the above really stung badly (so much so that I don't know if I can do it again...however, if it will improve my eyes I could talk myself into it maybe once a day). Help! cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: In order to stave off multiple requests about the eyecare formula I use, I dug out of my archives a post from last year that includes it. Mike No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.24/2449 - Release Date: 10/20/09 18:42:00
RE: QUESTION: RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Hahahaha...you ain't kidding. But -- how often can I do this? Or rather...how often *should* I do this? Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: QUESTION: RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Nope! You got it right. Health isn't for wimps... Chuck if it really is going to be the end of the world I hope they cover it on CNN so I can record it On 10/20/2009 7:58:31 PM, Lisa (blacksa...@comcast.net) wrote: Hi All I made Mike's recipe after receiving my Eyebright from Doc Christopher. Is it really supposed to burn so terribly bad?!?!?! I measured it exactly... 1 oz CS, 1 tsp MSM powder, 15 drops of Eyebright Tincture and a couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO -- which wound up being two dropperfuls that were about half way filled. I don't have an eyecup so I used the dropper and got maybe one or two drops in each eye...I have to say, it burnt like hell! What can I do to make it not sting so badly? Dilute with more CS (rather EIS)? And how often do I do this...once at night? THANK YOU! Lisa P.S. I did find that 5 drops in distilled water (Doc's suggestion) stung just a little bit...but the above really stung badly (so much so that I don't know if I can do it again...however, if it will improve my eyes I could talk myself into it maybe once a day). Help! cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: In order to stave off multiple requests about the eyecare formula I use, I dug out of my archives a post from last year that includes it. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: QUESTION: RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
I've used it every day for several years. As Martha Stewart says It's a good thing. Chuck If you lined up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try to pass them, five or six at a time, on a hill, in the fog. On 10/21/2009 3:42:59 PM, Lisa (blacksa...@comcast.net) wrote: Hahahaha...you ain't kidding. But -- how often can I do this? Or rather...how often *should* I do this? Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: QUESTION: RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Nope! You got it right. Health isn't for wimps... Chuck if it really is going to be the end of the world I hope they cover it on CNN so I can record it On 10/20/2009 7:58:31 PM, Lisa (blacksa...@comcast.net) wrote: Hi All I made Mike's recipe after receiving my Eyebright from Doc Christopher. Is it really supposed to burn so terribly bad?!?!?! I measured it exactly... 1 oz CS, 1 tsp MSM powder, 15 drops of Eyebright Tincture and a couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO -- which wound up being two dropperfuls that were about half way filled. I don't have an eyecup so I used the dropper and got maybe one or two No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.24/2449 - Release Date: 10/20/09 18:42:00
Re: QUESTION: RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
On 10/20/2009 7:58:31 PM, Lisa (blacksa...@comcast.net) wrote: Hi All I made Mike's recipe after receiving my Eyebright from Doc Christopher. Is it really supposed to burn so terribly bad?!?!?! I measured it exactly... 1 oz CS, 1 tsp MSM powder, 15 drops of Eyebright Tincture and a couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO -- which wound up being two dropperfuls that were about half way filled. I don't have an eyecup so I used the dropper and got maybe one or two drops in each eye...I have to say, it burnt like hell! What can I do to make it not sting so badly? Dilute with more CS (rather EIS)? Reduce the MSM. I just can't tolerate that much, it burns me half to death. I can tolerate a little bit, and just made up a batch with very little MSM and add more until it is just barely below where I would not be able to tolerate it. Unfortunately less MSM probably makes it less effective, but that is what I have to do to use it at all. It may possibly help to use the drops more often if you have to use less MSM. From years of reading of eye drops with MSM in here, tolerance varies, and I'm just not one of the ones who can take the pain. FWIW, I tried an eye drop with one of my rabbits that has half that much MSM (1/2 tsp in 1 ounce EIS) and he freaked and bit clear through my thumbnail. Then I tried it in my own eye, and understood why he went crazy--it caused him great pain. It doesn't hurt the eye, but if pain is too great, it is too great. The amount of DMSO in the mix didn't bother me at all once I reduced the MSM. But I did try straight DMSO ONE drop, in ONE eyethat was more than enough for me. I couldn't force myself to do the other eye. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: QUESTION: RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I've used it every day for several years. As Martha Stewart says It's a good thing. But, does it cause you a lot of pain? If it does you can do it anyway? LOL, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
QUESTION: RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Hi All I made Mike's recipe after receiving my Eyebright from Doc Christopher. Is it really supposed to burn so terribly bad?!?!?! I measured it exactly... 1 oz CS, 1 tsp MSM powder, 15 drops of Eyebright Tincture and a couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO -- which wound up being two dropperfuls that were about half way filled. I don't have an eyecup so I used the dropper and got maybe one or two drops in each eye...I have to say, it burnt like hell! What can I do to make it not sting so badly? Dilute with more CS (rather EIS)? And how often do I do this...once at night? THANK YOU! Lisa P.S. I did find that 5 drops in distilled water (Doc's suggestion) stung just a little bit...but the above really stung badly (so much so that I don't know if I can do it again...however, if it will improve my eyes I could talk myself into it maybe once a day). Help! cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: In order to stave off multiple requests about the eyecare formula I use, I dug out of my archives a post from last year that includes it. Mike was really pushing to get it right. 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO Note :Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture contains cayenne so it will sting a bit. One question: I can't tolerate anywhere near that much MSM, has anyone tried the formula with say, 1/8 to 1/4 tsp MSM and found it still effective? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
The DMSO alone will probably do what you need... On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: In order to stave off multiple requests about the eyecare formula I use, I dug out of my archives a post from last year that includes it. Mike was really pushing to get it right. 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO Note :Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture contains cayenne so it will sting a bit. One question: I can't tolerate anywhere near that much MSM, has anyone tried the formula with say, 1/8 to 1/4 tsp MSM and found it still effective? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
RE: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Will this formula help with macular degeneration (or even a macular pucker)? I plan on using it to see if it will improve my eyesight at all...but curious about the above and even cataracts (as opposed to getting cataract surgery). My mom has those issues...I am just losing my once brilliant 20/10 vision! L -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes The DMSO alone will probably do what you need... On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: In order to stave off multiple requests about the eyecare formula I use, I dug out of my archives a post from last year that includes it. Mike was really pushing to get it right. 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO Note :Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture contains cayenne so it will sting a bit. One question: I can't tolerate anywhere near that much MSM, has anyone tried the formula with say, 1/8 to 1/4 tsp MSM and found it still effective? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: (fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: In order to stave off multiple requests about the eyecare formula I use, I dug out of my archives a post from last year that includes it. Mike was really pushing to get it right. 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO Note :Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture contains cayenne so it will sting a bit. One question: I can't tolerate anywhere near that much MSM, has anyone tried the formula with say, 1/8 to 1/4 tsp MSM and found it still effective? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
(fwd)Chuck's eye concoction--WAS Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
List In order to stave off multiple requests about the eyecare formula I use, I dug out of my archives a post from last year that includes it. Mike was really pushing to get it right. 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO Note :Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture contains cayenne so it will sting a bit. Chuck There can't be a crisis next week--my schedule is already full On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:01:33 -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Hi Mike, I'm actually becoming a little embarrassed at appearing to be the definitive guru on eye care in this thread. It's all been experimental. But I'm satisfied with the final formula. Yearly ophthalmologist exams verify no deterioration. The Dr. seems puzzled. As far as the DMSO is concerned, I've lurked in Garnet's DMSO list long enough to be aware that within reason, you can add it's benefits to almost anything to increase effectiveness of your concoction. I wouldn't hesitate to take it (DMSO) internally if I had a reason. I have, just to taste it. Tastes bad enough to build character, so it must be good for you... Fairly highly diluted proves to be as effective as more concentrated. High concentrated can be drying (strong affinity for water) as well as de fatting. I find with concentrated, that repeated applications to the skin results in itchy irritation. Not harmful but uncomfortable. All this can be avoided by diluting to say, 10-30%. Your observation that 99% is marketed cut to 70% is because that 70% has been found to be a comfortable maximum strength dilution for use on skin and more is not more effective. Your mileage may vary... On a tangential thought, the eye is said to be a major entry point for cold and flu infections. Using this formula daily, with the properties of almost all of it's ingredients, should be a great prophylactic against these infections. Of course the same is said of the ear, and hydrogen peroxide in the ear has proven to me, to work to banish colds and flu! But that's another thread... The proportional amounts of anything in the mix is variable to the experimenters desires. Personally, I may increase the Christophers formula as my tolerance to the slight stinging increases (it passes within seconds) The tsp MSM in 1 oz is pretty near a saturated solution. Yes that's what was effective for floaters by itself. Increase the permeability of the eye to let the junk drain was the thinking. I'm theorizing that the msm and dmso could soften the eyeball (improve flexibility) to the point that close up reading that necessitates bifocals could be relieved. It's all seat of the pants. Take what you wish. Chuck Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989. On 12/18/2006 6:58:34 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: Dear Chuck, Thanks for the reply! Okay, so we're looking like this: 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO So if I've got you right, the DMSO you are adding a couple dropperfulls of is 99%. So 2-3 milliliters of 99% pure, undiluted DMSO in an ounce of fluid, about 28 milliliters, would be only about 10% DMSO, by volume, which I certainly would think is reasonable. Around here the health food store sells the stuff in 70% and, I think, about 50% dilutions. It's a bit misleading, though, because they also state the purity in big letters at 99%, but that's before they dilute it with the water. So it's 99% DMSO, 70% in water!! Let me say that msm and cs mix would take care of MY HUGE FLOATERS by itself. The other stuff was just inspired planning for eye health. Was that what you started out with? Yeah up to 30% dmso would be good. More is not better with dmso, nor necessary. It won't hurt, but dmso can be drying at higher concentrations (irritating)at least it is on skin. If you're saying you think it could be as much as 30% without problem, I don't know that it's an issue. I don't think I'm worried about 10% concentration of DMSO being too little! I use the formula once a day, sometimes twice if I remember. I'd do more if I had a reason. I make this up about twice a year. Hmmm... if you market this, I want a cut! No plans to market, Chuck! I just want to improve our eye health here, *before* we end up with serious problems. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes/Pat
Hello Pat... Please don't take this as anything but a personal experience...what worked for me may not for others...vice versa. However...a while back..at an annual Eye Exam...I was told that I seemed to have the begining of cataracts. I did some research and found that eye drops could cause the problem. I showed the information to my primary care doc and she said the info looked plausible. So I stopped the Visine and used only my own (Silver Puppy) C.S. spray..still do. Next exam no sign of Cataracts. Also...on my last visit...just a little while ago...The Eye Doc. mentioned that my eyes were amazingly clean. I asked what did that mean...she replied that I would be surprised at how much bacteria many people have in their eyes. I told her about my using the C.S. and she seemed o.k. with it. Just thought I would mention this...V. In a message dated 12/18/2006 10:00:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattycake29...@yahoo.com writes: Today I saw my opthalmologist because of the new large floater. The retina is ok, but he wants to recheck in 3 weeks. I told him I've been reading about things to help get rid of floaters and also a way to lessen cataracts. He said there is nothing that really helps either one. He said he'll see someone with new floaters, then again in three weeks. The patient says they've gotten better, but when he looks, they're exactly the same. The brain adjusts and overlooks them. Of course, no one knows everything and if something does no harm, it's worth a try. BTW, I'm sure my vet had never heard of colloidal silver. I asked him if he knew about it and he looked blank and uninterested, so I just said it kills germs and I spray my dog's snout with it after she's been nosing around in all the poop at public places. He said that's good, but didn't care to know more. I think sometimes highly educated people think there is nothing to be learned from their average client. Pat
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Dear Chuck, Thanks for the reply! Okay, so we're looking like this: 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO So if I've got you right, the DMSO you are adding a couple dropperfulls of is 99%. So 2-3 milliliters of 99% pure, undiluted DMSO in an ounce of fluid, about 28 milliliters, would be only about 10% DMSO, by volume, which I certainly would think is reasonable. Around here the health food store sells the stuff in 70% and, I think, about 50% dilutions. It's a bit misleading, though, because they also state the purity in big letters at 99%, but that's before they dilute it with the water. So it's 99% DMSO, 70% in water!! Let me say that msm and cs mix would take care of MY HUGE FLOATERS by itself. The other stuff was just inspired planning for eye health. Was that what you started out with? Yeah up to 30% dmso would be good. More is not better with dmso, nor necessary. It won't hurt, but dmso can be drying at higher concentrations (irritating)at least it is on skin. If you're saying you think it could be as much as 30% without problem, I don't know that it's an issue. I don't think I'm worried about 10% concentration of DMSO being too little! I use the formula once a day, sometimes twice if I remember. I'd do more if I had a reason. I make this up about twice a year. Hmmm... if you market this, I want a cut! No plans to market, Chuck! I just want to improve our eye health here, *before* we end up with serious problems. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Hi Mike, I'm actually becoming a little embarrassed at appearing to be the definitive guru on eye care in this thread. It's all been experimental. But I'm satisfied with the final formula. Yearly ophthalmologist exams verify no deterioration. The Dr. seems puzzled. As far as the DMSO is concerned, I've lurked in Garnet's DMSO list long enough to be aware that within reason, you can add it's benefits to almost anything to increase effectiveness of your concoction. I wouldn't hesitate to take it (DMSO) internally if I had a reason. I have, just to taste it. Tastes bad enough to build character, so it must be good for you... Fairly highly diluted proves to be as effective as more concentrated. High concentrated can be drying (strong affinity for water) as well as de fatting. I find with concentrated, that repeated applications to the skin results in itchy irritation. Not harmful but uncomfortable. All this can be avoided by diluting to say, 10-30%. Your observation that 99% is marketed cut to 70% is because that 70% has been found to be a comfortable maximum strength dilution for use on skin and more is not more effective. Your mileage may vary... On a tangential thought, the eye is said to be a major entry point for cold and flu infections. Using this formula daily, with the properties of almost all of it's ingredients, should be a great prophylactic against these infections. Of course the same is said of the ear, and hydrogen peroxide in the ear has proven to me, to work to banish colds and flu! But that's another thread... The proportional amounts of anything in the mix is variable to the experimenters desires. Personally, I may increase the Christophers formula as my tolerance to the slight stinging increases (it passes within seconds) The tsp MSM in 1 oz is pretty near a saturated solution. Yes that's what was effective for floaters by itself. Increase the permeability of the eye to let the junk drain was the thinking. I'm theorizing that the msm and dmso could soften the eyeball (improve flexibility) to the point that close up reading that necessitates bifocals could be relieved. It's all seat of the pants. Take what you wish. Chuck Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989. On 12/18/2006 6:58:34 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: Dear Chuck, Thanks for the reply! Okay, so we're looking like this: 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of 99% DMSO So if I've got you right, the DMSO you are adding a couple dropperfulls of is 99%. So 2-3 milliliters of 99% pure, undiluted DMSO in an ounce of fluid, about 28 milliliters, would be only about 10% DMSO, by volume, which I certainly would think is reasonable. Around here the health food store sells the stuff in 70% and, I think, about 50% dilutions. It's a bit misleading, though, because they also state the purity in big letters at 99%, but that's before they dilute it with the water. So it's 99% DMSO, 70% in water!! Let me say that msm and cs mix would take care of MY HUGE FLOATERS by itself. The other stuff was just inspired planning for eye health. Was that what you started out with? Yeah up to 30% dmso would be good. More is not better with dmso, nor necessary. It won't hurt, but dmso can be drying at higher concentrations (irritating)at least it is on skin. If you're saying you think it could be as much as 30% without problem, I don't know that it's an issue. I don't think I'm worried about 10% concentration of DMSO being too little! I use the formula once a day, sometimes twice if I remember. I'd do more if I had a reason. I make this up about twice a year. Hmmm... if you market this, I want a cut! No plans to market, Chuck! I just want to improve our eye health here, *before* we end up with serious problems. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Today I saw my opthalmologist because of the new large floater. The retina is ok, but he wants to recheck in 3 weeks. I told him I've been reading about things to help get rid of floaters and also a way to lessen cataracts. He said there is nothing that really helps either one. He said he'll see someone with new floaters, then again in three weeks. The patient says they've gotten better, but when he looks, they're exactly the same. The brain adjusts and overlooks them. Of course, no one knows everything and if something does no harm, it's worth a try. BTW, I'm sure my vet had never heard of colloidal silver. I asked him if he knew about it and he looked blank and uninterested, so I just said it kills germs and I spray my dog's snout with it after she's been nosing around in all the poop at public places. He said that's good, but didn't care to know more. I think sometimes highly educated people think there is nothing to be learned from their average client. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
On 12/18/2006 9:59:49 PM, Pat (pattycake29...@yahoo.com) wrote: Today I saw my opthalmologist because of the new large floater. The retina is ok, but he wants to recheck in 3 weeks. I told him I've been reading about things to help get rid of floaters and also a way to lessen cataracts. He said there is nothing that really helps either one. He said he'll see someone with new floaters, then again in three weeks. The patient says they've gotten better, but when he looks, they're exactly the same. The brain adjusts and overlooks them. That's the reaction I got from my optho, too. Had to figure it out by myself. Chuck I no longer subscribe to reincarnation. The renewals were killing me! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes - 19 Dec
Thank you Chuck for this - I myself am dealing with floaters as well as a cataract in the right eye which I nearly had operated on two weeks ago until I got all of the input from the list so decided to do some further personal work before going that route - now I do not know if you were the person who mentioned flax seed oil however who ever did let me say this - thanks a million - I followed the directions and boy does this get the gunk out of the eyes I am now applying the FSO every other night as it is so good that the eyes balls are a little pink and the sunlight effects them - I now find that this works wonders, after two weeks the gunk is still flowing and I have an appointment with my eye doctor in another two weeks time we will see what he has to say when he sees my eyes - of course I have no intention of saying anything to him unless he sees a change and if so then you will all hear about it that is for sure Thanks to all who have contributed to this cause ! Let me take this opportunity of wishing all members of all lists the very warmest of Christ masses that is in cheer not global warming heat ! smileMay we all continue to share and grow from strength to strength over the coming years and may 2007 be a wonderful one for us all Thanks again for all the input from everyone over this past year you are all angels as far as this list is concerned - what happens outside of this I am not and have no wish to be any wiser :) may God Bless you All. Warmest regards Sandee Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset Home - 61893676734 cel - 61421540908 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
I find curcumin to be cited as giving yellow color to Turmeric. So it's turmuric you need to be taking, not ginger... Now I found a site listing curcumin in ginger, but there is a heck of a lot more in turmuric. Just thought it was worth a mention. BTW, I am saving your post to my remedies file, thanks. Kathryn _ Curcumin Treating eye disorders Curcumin is apparently more than your typical kitchen spice. It's the substance that gives ginger its yellowish colour, and it has been implicated in the treatment of certain eye diseases and conditions. One of those is known as chronic anterior UVEITIS (CAU), an inflammatory condition of the __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes/ OY...
I have to start reading my mail from the bottom of the list up..I just sent off a post asking about the Curcumin...and then opened this post. Lots of great info here...thanks... So...it is spelled Curcumin...is this the same as Cumin...the spice one uses in Chili Dishes? V In a message dated 12/16/2006 9:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, stars...@comcast.net writes: From: cking...@nycap.rr.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:13 PM Eh... I if have to go thru all of this everytime I mention MY floater regimen sigh grin! I keep repeating my version of your formula, Chuck, around the 'net also. I'm posting some info from my files I'm posting to see IF my post shows up on the list (at this point that event will look like a Christmas gift!) Anyway, learning from Chuck, I warm up an oz or 2 of CS, open an eyebright cap ***(Eyebright as in the Herb?) into it, making a tea, stir in the MSM,***(do you think this would work without the MSM?) let it steep, then strain. Haven't tried putting in any DMSO, but that'll be next I've only used this for the occasional appearance of tiny cysts on my eyelids. It's great for this, the darn things just detach after a few rinsings in an eyecup. Never thought about using it regularly for the floater/s I now have since the vitreous in my right eye starting detaching last year. That was a fun day that started with flashing lights and ended with the fat black floater; that's when I ended up in the ER and then an eye Dr's office. Had the exact same experience...did this really clear up the floaters??? Do you still have the lights ? Sharon/starshar And here's some info I saved to a file: Curcumin Treating eye disorders Curcumin is apparently more than your typical kitchen spice. It's the substance that gives ginger its yellowish colour, and it has been implicated in the treatment of certain eye diseases and conditions. One of those is known as chronic anterior UVEITIS (CAU), an inflammatory condition of the vascular layer of the eye, particularly the area comprising the iris. In one small study, Curcumin was given orally to 32 chronic anterior uveitis patients who were divided into two groups. The first group received Curcumin alone, whereas the second group received a combination of Curcumin and antitubercular treatment. Amazingly, all of the patients treated with Curcumin alone improved, compared to a response rate of 86% among those receiving the combination therapy. The researchers concluded that Curcumin was just as effective as corticosteroid therapy, the only available standard treatment for chronic anterior uveitis at present, adding that the lack of side effects with Curcumin is its greatest advantage compared with corticosteroids. Similar research using rats and rabbits found that Curcumin effectively inhibited chemically induced cataract formation, even at very low dietary levels. The same study also found, for the first time, that this type of induced cataract may be accompanied by apoptosis of epithelial cells in the eye and that Curcumin may lessen the apoptotic effect. In one of the earliest studies examining Curcumin as a potential cataract therapy, researchers fed two groups of rats, diets that included corn oil, or a combination of Curcumin and corn oil for 14 days Afterward, their lenses were removed and examined for the presence of lipid peroxidation. The scientists discovered that the lenses from Curcumin-treated rats were much more resistant to. induced opacification than were lenses from control animals. Awasthi S et al. Curcumin protects against 4-hydroxy-2-trans-nonenal-induced cataract formation in rat lenses. Am J Clin Nutr 1996 Nov;64 (5):761-6. Lal B et al. Efficacy of curcumin in the management of chronic anterior uveitis. Phytother Res 1999 Jun;13(4):318-22. Pandya U et al. Dietary curcumin prevents ocular toxicity of naphthalene in rats. Toxicol Lett 2000 Jun 5;115(3):195-204.
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes/Explanation for Eyebright
15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture *(o.k. heres the explanation I asked for about the Eyebright...)thanks.V
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes/ OY...
From: vwol...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:54 PM So...it is spelled Curcumin...is this the same as Cumin...the spice one uses in Chili Dishes? V Hi V, You've probably seen other posts by now that tell you that Circumin is one of the ingredients found in the spice called Turmeric. Many supplement manufacturers have extracted the pure circumin and encapsulated it for those wishing a stronger dose. Since I can't stand the taste of turmeric, that's how I take my circumin. Vitamin Research Products is one of many who produce these capsules. Anyway, learning from Chuck, I warm up an oz or 2 of CS, open an eyebright cap ***(Eyebright as in the Herb?) into it, making a tea, stir in the MSM,***(do you think this would work without the MSM?) let it steep, then strain. Haven't tried putting in any DMSO, but that'll be next I use Dr John Christopher's formula, now made by Nature's Way and it is an herbal blend called Eyebright. The eyebright herb is the dominant one in the formula. The MSM is a good carrier for all the other ingredients, seems to potentiate the formula a bit. Never thought about using it regularly for the floater/s I now have since the vitreous in my right eye starting detaching last year. That was a fun day that started with flashing lights and ended with the fat black floater; that's when I ended up in the ER and then an eye Dr's office. Had the exact same experience...did this really clear up the floaters??? Do you still have the lights ? There is still occasional evidence of the floater, very small. I think it has parked itself in the outer corner of the eye, only to show up when I look at strong light or move my head in some way. The lights, thank God, have not shown up again. If they do, I'll have a genuine panic attack! I make sure to take Vit C every day, accompanied by a Bilberry capsule, and also pycnogenol, as that is said to be helpful with detaching eye parts. I should probably add lutein, but have not gotten around to it. There are good eye supplements on the market that have that, along with other ingredients all in one capsule. One, called Occudyne, springs to mind. HTH, Sharon/starshar -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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turmeric and ginger are in the same family of plants, there is more curcumin in the turmeric hence its more orange color whereas ginger is more yellow. zoe Sunday, December 17, 2006, 10:54:32 AM, you wrote: I find curcumin to be cited as giving yellow color to Turmeric. So it's turmuric you need to be taking, not ginger... Now I found a site listing curcumin in ginger, but there is a heck of a lot more in turmuric. Just thought it was worth a mention. BTW, I am saving your post to my remedies file, thanks. Kathryn
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Hello Mike I wish I could find a doctor or someone else who take out my floaters. My sister in law had the same and is operated in an academical hospital and became blind at one eyemaybe a mistake...so my eye specialist said nothing to do on my floaters. The last spot I 've got when my husband was on the hospital for an instant heart attacksomething went wrong in my eye...and it always stayed there...a black spot. I will ask the doctor if there is a possibillity...you hear it after 19 of december. Meanwhile I always take a little CS and going stronger with the wonderwater I wish I could tell it better in English...I am glad you wrote back and I can ask my homeopatic doctor next week ,he is also an acupuncture doctor...not with needles but with electric tools...will that be a good idea? Thanks for answering my question, Trudy - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:40 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Dear Gertrude, You wrote: ... floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. I've come a *very* long way in the last decade, and one of the things I've come to accept is that there are some unlikely sounding things that turn out to be true in alternative medicine. I don't know specifically about accupuncture and various eye problems, like floaters, but I'm a *LOT* less willing to use the word impossible now than a few years ago. smile I have floaters too and the doctor could not take them away. There are many folks here and in other alternative health forums I've visted who've proved the doctors wrong many times. We don't ignore them, but we evaluate what they say on an even basis with what we learn from our own work and that of other people we come to trust. We've learned that doctors are forced to ignore many worthwhile ideas, leaving it up to us to research and evaluate them for ourselves. There have been several suggestions offered earlier in this thread that sound promising. When I hear a success story from somebody like Chuck, who's been in the group for years, who's *not* trying to sell anything, and has given other reliable information in the past, I'm going to listen very carefully. Each of us have to define our personal standards of what to believe. When I hear an idea from people I know who don't have a commercial interest, if it is reasonably easy/cheap/simple to test, and my experience or research makes me reasonably confident that it's safe... I will try new things, even when they seem a little unlikely by conventional standards. That's what works for me. shrug Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 15-12-2006
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Dear Chuck, The Dr. Christopher tincture you're thinking of, is it his Herbal Eyebright Formula, with Bayberry Bark, Eyebright Herb, Golden Seal Root, Red Raspberry Leaves and Cayenne Pepper in a base of 36-42% pure grain alcohol? See: http://herbsfirst.com/descriptionsformulas/herbaleyebright.html Thanks! Mike D. Not a real recipe, Peter. Using CS as the liquid, I dissolve a tsp of MSM in about an ounce of CS and add about 15 drops of the tincture. Put it in one of those 1 oz dropper containers that artificial tears come in. You pry the top off. Google for online Dr Christopher formulas or visit your health food store. The number of drops depends on how lucky the punk feels today (my first batch was 8 drops of the good Dr's mix). BTW, my floaters were like heavy cargo nets used in shipping. I feared they were going to take over! Been 4 or 5 years now and all is well. Chuck I have a very rare video of houdini getting locked out of his car. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Hi, Trudy, A black spot that always stays there makes me think of an eye problem called macular degeneration. Does the spot move around. or does it stay in exactly the same place all the time? If it stays in the same place and doesn't move around, you need to see your eye doctor right away! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:53:04 +0100 Hello Mike I wish I could find a doctor or someone else who take out my floaters. My sister in law had the same and is operated in an academical hospital and became blind at one eyemaybe a mistake...so my eye specialist said nothing to do on my floaters. The last spot I 've got when my husband was on the hospital for an instant heart attacksomething went wrong in my eye...and it always stayed there...a black spot. I will ask the doctor if there is a possibillity...you hear it after 19 of december. Meanwhile I always take a little CS and going stronger with the wonderwater I wish I could tell it better in English...I am glad you wrote back and I can ask my homeopatic doctor next week ,he is also an acupuncture doctor...not with needles but with electric tools...will that be a good idea? Thanks for answering my question, Trudy - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:40 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Dear Gertrude, You wrote: ... floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. I've come a *very* long way in the last decade, and one of the things I've come to accept is that there are some unlikely sounding things that turn out to be true in alternative medicine. I don't know specifically about accupuncture and various eye problems, like floaters, but I'm a *LOT* less willing to use the word impossible now than a few years ago. smile I have floaters too and the doctor could not take them away. There are many folks here and in other alternative health forums I've visted who've proved the doctors wrong many times. We don't ignore them, but we evaluate what they say on an even basis with what we learn from our own work and that of other people we come to trust. We've learned that doctors are forced to ignore many worthwhile ideas, leaving it up to us to research and evaluate them for ourselves. There have been several suggestions offered earlier in this thread that sound promising. When I hear a success story from somebody like Chuck, who's been in the group for years, who's *not* trying to sell anything, and has given other reliable information in the past, I'm going to listen very carefully. Each of us have to define our personal standards of what to believe. When I hear an idea from people I know who don't have a commercial interest, if it is reasonably easy/cheap/simple to test, and my experience or research makes me reasonably confident that it's safe... I will try new things, even when they seem a little unlikely by conventional standards. That's what works for me. shrug Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 15-12-2006 _ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmk
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Two years ago I got tripped by my dog and fell on my face on the tile kitchen floor. It tore the retina in one eye and the bleeding caused floaters. The doctor tacked the retina back in place with laser surgery (no big deal, right then in the office). The doctor said normally those floaters would be gone within a few months, but I still have them. He said they can be removed surgically, and I said I can live with them and he said that was a wise choice. Yesterday in my other eye, I noticed a new streak of grey floating around. I'd seen some flashes of light the night before. I just called the doctor, and he said the flashes mean the retina is being tickled and that as the vitreous humor is moving away from the retina, it could cause a tear. He said I should be seen this week. Also, if a black curtain covers part of the vision, to be seen immediately. So, if you ever see flashes of light, call the doctor right away (unless you know they're caused by a migraine). I read this on the web: What Causes Eye Floaters and Spots? For most people, floaters occur as they grow older. The vitreous humor thickens and clumps as we age, and floaters result from the clumped vitreous gel. Sometimes pregnant women see spots caused by little bits of protein trapped within the eye. Eye injury or breakdown of the vitreous humor may also cause spots and floaters. When people reach middle age, the vitreous gel may start to thicken or shrink, forming clumps or strands inside the eye. The vitreous gel pulls away from the back wall of the eye, causing a posterior vitreous detachment. It is a common cause of floaters, and it is more common for people who: are nearsighted;have undergone cataract operations;have had YAG laser surgery of the eye;have had inflammation inside the eye. Treatment for Spots and Floaters Most spots and eye floaters are merely annoying but harmless when they temporarily enter the field of vision, and many fade over time. People sometimes are interested in surgery to remove floaters, but doctors are willing to perform such surgery only in rare instances. If you suddenly see new floaters, or eye floaters accompanied by flashes of light or peripheral vision loss, it could indicate serious conditions such as diabetic retinopathy; vascular abnormalities such as retinal hemorrhages or carotid artery disease, or the beginning of a retinal detachment. The retina can tear if the shrinking vitreous gel pulls away from the wall of the eye. This sometimes causes a small amount of bleeding in the eye that may appear as new floaters. You should see your eye doctor immediately. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFw: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Hi Ruth, The floaters moves aroundI was 2 times to the eye doctor I don' t like the moving spots on my eye,but I can live with them...hope no more will come. I am always afraid,my grandmother was blind...because of diabetesbut I have no diabetes at all. Everything is very strange to me,my kidney doctor said something was wrong with my kidneys...now another doctor ,this year, said ..you can live as well with only 1/3 of your kidneys,don't worry.(be happy) That was after I took a lot of silverwater some time agomaybe it cured everything...I feel better as last year. Thanks a lot for your answer. Trudy - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Hi, Trudy, A black spot that always stays there makes me think of an eye problem called macular degeneration. Does the spot move around. or does it stay in exactly the same place all the time? If it stays in the same place and doesn't move around, you need to see your eye doctor right away! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:53:04 +0100 Hello Mike I wish I could find a doctor or someone else who take out my floaters. My sister in law had the same and is operated in an academical hospital and became blind at one eyemaybe a mistake...so my eye specialist said nothing to do on my floaters. The last spot I 've got when my husband was on the hospital for an instant heart attacksomething went wrong in my eye...and it always stayed there...a black spot. I will ask the doctor if there is a possibillity...you hear it after 19 of december. Meanwhile I always take a little CS and going stronger with the wonderwater I wish I could tell it better in English...I am glad you wrote back and I can ask my homeopatic doctor next week ,he is also an acupuncture doctor...not with needles but with electric tools...will that be a good idea? Thanks for answering my question, Trudy - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:40 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Dear Gertrude, You wrote: ... floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. I've come a *very* long way in the last decade, and one of the things I've come to accept is that there are some unlikely sounding things that turn out to be true in alternative medicine. I don't know specifically about accupuncture and various eye problems, like floaters, but I'm a *LOT* less willing to use the word impossible now than a few years ago. smile I have floaters too and the doctor could not take them away. There are many folks here and in other alternative health forums I've visted who've proved the doctors wrong many times. We don't ignore them, but we evaluate what they say on an even basis with what we learn from our own work and that of other people we come to trust. We've learned that doctors are forced to ignore many worthwhile ideas, leaving it up to us to research and evaluate them for ourselves. There have been several suggestions offered earlier in this thread that sound promising. When I hear a success story from somebody like Chuck, who's been in the group for years, who's *not* trying to sell anything, and has given other reliable information in the past, I'm going to listen very carefully. Each of us have to define our personal standards of what to believe. When I hear an idea from people I know who don't have a commercial interest, if it is reasonably easy/cheap/simple to test, and my experience or research makes me reasonably confident that it's safe... I will try new things, even when they seem a little unlikely by conventional standards. That's what works for me. shrug Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 15-12-2006 _ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmk
Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
www.acufinder.com find a practitioner that also does herbs. - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Two years ago I got tripped by my dog and fell on my face on the tile kitchen floor. It tore the retina in one eye and the bleeding caused floaters. The doctor tacked the retina back in place with laser surgery (no big deal, right then in the office). The doctor said normally those floaters would be gone within a few months, but I still have them. He said they can be removed surgically, and I said I can live with them and he said that was a wise choice. Yesterday in my other eye, I noticed a new streak of grey floating around. I'd seen some flashes of light the night before. I just called the doctor, and he said the flashes mean the retina is being tickled and that as the vitreous humor is moving away from the retina, it could cause a tear. He said I should be seen this week. Also, if a black curtain covers part of the vision, to be seen immediately. So, if you ever see flashes of light, call the doctor right away (unless you know they're caused by a migraine). I read this on the web: What Causes Eye Floaters and Spots? For most people, floaters occur as they grow older. The vitreous humor thickens and clumps as we age, and floaters result from the clumped vitreous gel. Sometimes pregnant women see spots caused by little bits of protein trapped within the eye. Eye injury or breakdown of the vitreous humor may also cause spots and floaters. When people reach middle age, the vitreous gel may start to thicken or shrink, forming clumps or strands inside the eye. The vitreous gel pulls away from the back wall of the eye, causing a posterior vitreous detachment. It is a common cause of floaters, and it is more common for people who: are nearsighted;have undergone cataract operations;have had YAG laser surgery of the eye;have had inflammation inside the eye. Treatment for Spots and Floaters Most spots and eye floaters are merely annoying but harmless when they temporarily enter the field of vision, and many fade over time. People sometimes are interested in surgery to remove floaters, but doctors are willing to perform such surgery only in rare instances. If you suddenly see new floaters, or eye floaters accompanied by flashes of light or peripheral vision loss, it could indicate serious conditions such as diabetic retinopathy; vascular abnormalities such as retinal hemorrhages or carotid artery disease, or the beginning of a retinal detachment. The retina can tear if the shrinking vitreous gel pulls away from the wall of the eye. This sometimes causes a small amount of bleeding in the eye that may appear as new floaters. You should see your eye doctor immediately. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.21/589 - Release Date: 12/15/2006
Re: CSFw: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
lots of herbs to tonify kidney. in TCM, they are the batteries which supply the body with all its foundational energy. - Original Message - From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: CSFw: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Hi Ruth, The floaters moves aroundI was 2 times to the eye doctor I don' t like the moving spots on my eye,but I can live with them...hope no more will come. I am always afraid,my grandmother was blind...because of diabetesbut I have no diabetes at all. Everything is very strange to me,my kidney doctor said something was wrong with my kidneys...now another doctor ,this year, said ..you can live as well with only 1/3 of your kidneys,don't worry.(be happy) That was after I took a lot of silverwater some time agomaybe it cured everything...I feel better as last year. Thanks a lot for your answer. Trudy - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Hi, Trudy, A black spot that always stays there makes me think of an eye problem called macular degeneration. Does the spot move around. or does it stay in exactly the same place all the time? If it stays in the same place and doesn't move around, you need to see your eye doctor right away! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:53:04 +0100 Hello Mike I wish I could find a doctor or someone else who take out my floaters. My sister in law had the same and is operated in an academical hospital and became blind at one eyemaybe a mistake...so my eye specialist said nothing to do on my floaters. The last spot I 've got when my husband was on the hospital for an instant heart attacksomething went wrong in my eye...and it always stayed there...a black spot. I will ask the doctor if there is a possibillity...you hear it after 19 of december. Meanwhile I always take a little CS and going stronger with the wonderwater I wish I could tell it better in English...I am glad you wrote back and I can ask my homeopatic doctor next week ,he is also an acupuncture doctor...not with needles but with electric tools...will that be a good idea? Thanks for answering my question, Trudy - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:40 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Dear Gertrude, You wrote: ... floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. I've come a *very* long way in the last decade, and one of the things I've come to accept is that there are some unlikely sounding things that turn out to be true in alternative medicine. I don't know specifically about accupuncture and various eye problems, like floaters, but I'm a *LOT* less willing to use the word impossible now than a few years ago. smile I have floaters too and the doctor could not take them away. There are many folks here and in other alternative health forums I've visted who've proved the doctors wrong many times. We don't ignore them, but we evaluate what they say on an even basis with what we learn from our own work and that of other people we come to trust. We've learned that doctors are forced to ignore many worthwhile ideas, leaving it up to us to research and evaluate them for ourselves. There have been several suggestions offered earlier in this thread that sound promising. When I hear a success story from somebody like Chuck, who's been in the group for years, who's *not* trying to sell anything, and has given other reliable information in the past, I'm going to listen very carefully. Each of us have to define our personal standards of what to believe. When I hear an idea from people I know who don't have a commercial interest, if it is reasonably easy/cheap/simple to test, and my experience or research makes me reasonably confident that it's safe... I will try new things, even when they seem a little unlikely by conventional standards. That's what works for me. shrug Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 15-12-2006
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Okay, Chuck! It's getting *close* to being a recipe! grin 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of DMSO What concentration of DMSO is it you're adding dropperfuls of? 99%? 30%? Would you say it's about 2 or 3 ml's in your 2 droppers full? About how many times per day did/do you use them? I realize you're just going by the seat of the pants, but it'd be nice to know we're reasonably close. Thank you much! Mike D. That's correct Mike. I added 15 drops to my own concoction of MSM dissolved in CS. I failed to mention that I also used a couple of dropperfulls of DMSO to the final ounce. My thinking was MSM to increase the permeabilty of the membrane so the junk can drain. CS to keep everything sterile and long shelf life. DMSO to get the formula INTO the organ. Christophers formula for all the eye support that it offers. I've used this for several years now, along with the meds my opthamologist Rx'ed for the glaucoma that I was originally Dx'd with. (I only use 1/2 rhe Rx.) He appears to be chagrined that I haven't deteriorated since I started with my own drops too. course I didn't tell him about my concoction, as he demonstrated nonreceptivity to alternate therapies. He never offered any solution to the floaters complaint. I had to take care of THAT on my own! Works for me! Chuck If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? On 12/16/2006 7:23:21 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: Dear Chuck, The Dr. Christopher tincture you're thinking of, is it his Herbal Eyebright Formula, with Bayberry Bark, Eyebright Herb, Golden Seal Root, Red Raspberry Leaves and Cayenne Pepper in a base of 36-42% pure grain alcohol? See: http://herbsfirst.com/descriptionsformulas/herbaleyebright.html Thanks! Mike D. Not a real recipe, Peter. Using CS as the liquid, I dissolve a tsp of MSM in about an ounce of CS and add about 15 drops of the tincture. Put it in one of those% -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
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Dear Trudy,, I'm glad to hear that the spots do move around. The macular degeneration thing does end in near-blindness. You can't see out of the center of your eyes, only around the edges. I have floaters, too and they move around, also light flashes when I go from a dark area to a light area, or is it the other way around. I don't really notice either one very much any more unless I am thinking about it. A Blessed Holiday to you and yours. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Vigilius Haufniensis thehatefuln...@comcast.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFw: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:28:13 -0600 lots of herbs to tonify kidney. in TCM, they are the batteries which supply the body with all its foundational energy. - Original Message - From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: CSFw: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Hi Ruth, The floaters moves aroundI was 2 times to the eye doctor I don' t like the moving spots on my eye,but I can live with them...hope no more will come. I am always afraid,my grandmother was blind...because of diabetesbut I have no diabetes at all. Everything is very strange to me,my kidney doctor said something was wrong with my kidneys...now another doctor ,this year, said ..you can live as well with only 1/3 of your kidneys,don't worry.(be happy) That was after I took a lot of silverwater some time agomaybe it cured everything...I feel better as last year. Thanks a lot for your answer. Trudy - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Hi, Trudy, A black spot that always stays there makes me think of an eye problem called macular degeneration. Does the spot move around. or does it stay in exactly the same place all the time? If it stays in the same place and doesn't move around, you need to see your eye doctor right away! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:53:04 +0100 Hello Mike I wish I could find a doctor or someone else who take out my floaters. My sister in law had the same and is operated in an academical hospital and became blind at one eyemaybe a mistake...so my eye specialist said nothing to do on my floaters. The last spot I 've got when my husband was on the hospital for an instant heart attacksomething went wrong in my eye...and it always stayed there...a black spot. I will ask the doctor if there is a possibillity...you hear it after 19 of december. Meanwhile I always take a little CS and going stronger with the wonderwater I wish I could tell it better in English...I am glad you wrote back and I can ask my homeopatic doctor next week ,he is also an acupuncture doctor...not with needles but with electric tools...will that be a good idea? Thanks for answering my question, Trudy - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:40 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Dear Gertrude, You wrote: ... floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. I've come a *very* long way in the last decade, and one of the things I've come to accept is that there are some unlikely sounding things that turn out to be true in alternative medicine. I don't know specifically about accupuncture and various eye problems, like floaters, but I'm a *LOT* less willing to use the word impossible now than a few years ago. smile I have floaters too and the doctor could not take them away. There are many folks here and in other alternative health forums I've visted who've proved the doctors wrong many times. We don't ignore them, but we evaluate what they say on an even basis with what we learn from our own work and that of other people we come to trust. We've learned that doctors are forced to ignore many worthwhile ideas, leaving it up to us to research and evaluate them for ourselves. There have been several suggestions offered earlier in this thread that sound promising. When I hear a success story from somebody like Chuck, who's been in the group for years, who's *not* trying to sell anything, and has given other reliable information in the past, I'm going to listen very carefully. Each of us have to define our personal standards of what to believe. When I hear an idea from people I know who don't have a commercial interest, if it is reasonably easy/cheap/simple to test, and my experience or research makes me reasonably confident that it's safe... I will try new things, even when they seem a little unlikely by conventional standards. That's what works for me. shrug Be well
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That's correct Mike. I added 15 drops to my own concoction of MSM dissolved in CS. I failed to mention that I also used a couple of dropperfulls of DMSO to the final ounce. My thinking was MSM to increase the permeabilty of the membrane so the junk can drain. CS to keep everything sterile and long shelf life. DMSO to get the formula INTO the organ. Christophers formula for all the eye support that it offers. I've used this for several years now, along with the meds my opthamologist Rx'ed for the glaucoma that I was originally Dx'd with. (I only use 1/2 rhe Rx.) He appears to be chagrined that I haven't deteriorated since I started with my own drops too. course I didn't tell him about my concoction, as he demonstrated nonreceptivity to alternate therapies. He never offered any solution to the floaters complaint. I had to take care of THAT on my own! Works for me! Chuck If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? On 12/16/2006 7:23:21 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: Dear Chuck, The Dr. Christopher tincture you're thinking of, is it his Herbal Eyebright Formula, with Bayberry Bark, Eyebright Herb, Golden Seal Root, Red Raspberry Leaves and Cayenne Pepper in a base of 36-42% pure grain alcohol? See: http://herbsfirst.com/descriptionsformulas/herbaleyebright.html Thanks! Mike D. Not a real recipe, Peter. Using CS as the liquid, I dissolve a tsp of MSM in about an ounce of CS and add about 15 drops of the tincture. Put it in one of those% -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes Ruth exactly what you prescribed : floaters and flasheswe have new year in our eyes...already...haha I'm looking for the herbal eye products of dr.Christoffer...I saw the name often in Germany. A Blessed Holiday to you and yours too and every one of this nice forum. I - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: Re: CSFw: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Dear Trudy,, I'm glad to hear that the spots do move around. The macular degeneration thing does end in near-blindness. You can't see out of the center of your eyes, only around the edges. I have floaters, too and they move around, also light flashes when I go from a dark area to a light area, or is it the other way around. I don't really notice either one very much any more unless I am thinking about it. A Blessed Holiday to you and yours. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Vigilius Haufniensis thehatefuln...@comcast.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFw: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:28:13 -0600 lots of herbs to tonify kidney. in TCM, they are the batteries which supply the body with all its foundational energy. - Original Message - From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: CSFw: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Hi Ruth, The floaters moves aroundI was 2 times to the eye doctor I don' t like the moving spots on my eye,but I can live with them...hope no more will come. I am always afraid,my grandmother was blind...because of diabetesbut I have no diabetes at all. Everything is very strange to me,my kidney doctor said something was wrong with my kidneys...now another doctor ,this year, said ..you can live as well with only 1/3 of your kidneys,don't worry.(be happy) That was after I took a lot of silverwater some time agomaybe it cured everything...I feel better as last year. Thanks a lot for your answer. Trudy - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Hi, Trudy, A black spot that always stays there makes me think of an eye problem called macular degeneration. Does the spot move around. or does it stay in exactly the same place all the time? If it stays in the same place and doesn't move around, you need to see your eye doctor right away! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:53:04 +0100 Hello Mike I wish I could find a doctor or someone else who take out my floaters. My sister in law had the same and is operated in an academical hospital and became blind at one eyemaybe a mistake...so my eye specialist said nothing to do on my floaters. The last spot I 've got when my husband was on the hospital for an instant heart attacksomething went wrong in my eye...and it always stayed there...a black spot. I will ask the doctor if there is a possibillity...you hear it after 19 of december. Meanwhile I always take a little CS and going stronger with the wonderwater I wish I could tell it better in English...I am glad you wrote back and I can ask my homeopatic doctor next week ,he is also an acupuncture doctor...not with needles but with electric tools...will that be a good idea? Thanks for answering my question, Trudy - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:40 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Dear Gertrude, You wrote: ... floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. I've come a *very* long way in the last decade, and one of the things I've come to accept is that there are some unlikely sounding things that turn out to be true in alternative medicine. I don't know specifically about accupuncture and various eye problems, like floaters, but I'm a *LOT* less willing to use the word impossible now than a few years ago. smile I have floaters too and the doctor could not take them away. There are many folks here and in other alternative health forums I've visted who've proved the doctors wrong many times. We don't ignore them, but we evaluate what they say on an even basis with what we learn from our own work and that of other people we come to trust. We've learned that doctors are forced to ignore many worthwhile ideas, leaving it up to us to research and evaluate them for ourselves. There have been several suggestions offered earlier in this thread that sound promising. When I hear a success story from somebody like Chuck, who's been in the group for years, who's *not* trying to sell anything
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Eh... I if have to go thru all of this everytime I mention MY floater regimen sigh What concentration of DMSO is it you're adding dropperfuls of? 99%? Yeah! 30%? Would you say it's about 2 or 3 ml's in your 2 droppers full? Let me say that msm and cs mix would take care of MY HUGE FLOATERS by itself. The other stuff was just inspired planning for eye health. Yeah up to 30% dmso would be good. More is not better with dmso, nor necessary. It won't hurt, but dmso can be drying at higher concentrations (irritating)at least it is on skin. I use the formula once a day, sometimes twice if I remember. I'd do more if I had a reason. I make this up about twice a year. Hmmm... if you market this, I want a cut! Chuck Why do we wash bath towels? Aren't we clean when we use them? On 12/16/2006 11:38:24 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: Okay, Chuck! It's getting *close* to being a recipe! grin 1 oz CS 1 tsp MSM powder 15 drops Dr. Christopher's Eyebright Formula Tincture A couple dropperfulls of DMSO What concentration of DMSO is it you're adding dropperfuls of? 99%? 30%? Would you say it's about 2 or 3 ml's in your 2 droppers full? About how many times per day did/do you use them? I realize you're just going by the seat of the pants, but it'd be nice to know we're reasonably close. Thank you much! Mike D. That's correct Mike. I added 15 drops to my own concoction of MSM dissolved in CS. I failed to mention that I also used a couple of dropperfulls of DMSO to the final ounce. My thinking was MSM to increase the permeabilty of the membrane so the junk can drain. CS to keep everything sterile and long shelf life. DMSO to get the formula INTO the organ. Christophers formula for all the eye support that it offers. I've used this for several years now, along with the meds my op -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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From: cking...@nycap.rr.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:13 PM Eh... I if have to go thru all of this everytime I mention MY floater regimen sigh grin! I keep repeating my version of your formula, Chuck, around the 'net also. I'm posting some info from my files I'm posting to see IF my post shows up on the list (at this point that event will look like a Christmas gift!) Anyway, learning from Chuck, I warm up an oz or 2 of CS, open an eyebright cap into it, making a tea, stir in the MSM, let it steep, then strain. Haven't tried putting in any DMSO, but that'll be next I've only used this for the occasional appearance of tiny cysts on my eyelids. It's great for this, the darn things just detach after a few rinsings in an eyecup. Never thought about using it regularly for the floater/s I now have since the vitreous in my right eye starting detaching last year. That was a fun day that started with flashing lights and ended with the fat black floater; that's when I ended up in the ER and then an eye Dr's office. Sharon/starshar And here's some info I saved to a file: Curcumin Treating eye disorders Curcumin is apparently more than your typical kitchen spice. It's the substance that gives ginger its yellowish colour, and it has been implicated in the treatment of certain eye diseases and conditions. One of those is known as chronic anterior UVEITIS (CAU), an inflammatory condition of the vascular layer of the eye, particularly the area comprising the iris. In one small study, Curcumin was given orally to 32 chronic anterior uveitis patients who were divided into two groups. The first group received Curcumin alone, whereas the second group received a combination of Curcumin and antitubercular treatment. Amazingly, all of the patients treated with Curcumin alone improved, compared to a response rate of 86% among those receiving the combination therapy. The researchers concluded that Curcumin was just as effective as corticosteroid therapy, the only available standard treatment for chronic anterior uveitis at present, adding that the lack of side effects with Curcumin is its greatest advantage compared with corticosteroids. Similar research using rats and rabbits found that Curcumin effectively inhibited chemically induced cataract formation, even at very low dietary levels. The same study also found, for the first time, that this type of induced cataract may be accompanied by apoptosis of epithelial cells in the eye and that Curcumin may lessen the apoptotic effect. In one of the earliest studies examining Curcumin as a potential cataract therapy, researchers fed two groups of rats, diets that included corn oil, or a combination of Curcumin and corn oil for 14 days. Afterward, their lenses were removed and examined for the presence of lipid peroxidation. The scientists discovered that the lenses from Curcumin-treated rats were much more resistant to. induced opacification than were lenses from control animals. Awasthi S et al. Curcumin protects against 4-hydroxy-2-trans-nonenal-induced cataract formation in rat lenses. Am J Clin Nutr 1996 Nov;64 (5):761-6. Lal B et al. Efficacy of curcumin in the management of chronic anterior uveitis. Phytother Res 1999 Jun;13(4):318-22. Pandya U et al. Dietary curcumin prevents ocular toxicity of naphthalene in rats. Toxicol Lett 2000 Jun 5;115(3):195-204. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yeah, Curcumin is on my supplement list, too. I use it for heart healthy stuff, supposed to reduce blood pressure, and of course inflammation. Funny, I've always been a supplement freak, but the list is always in flux as I learn more over the years. Chuck My memory's not as sharp as it used to be. Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be. On 12/16/2006 9:31:03 PM, starshar (stars...@comcast.net) wrote: From: cking...@nycap.rr.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:13 PM Eh... I if have to go thru all of this everytime I mention MY floater regimen sigh grin! I keep repeating my version of your formula, Chuck, around the 'net also. I'm posting some info from my files I'm posting to see IF my post shows up on the list (at this point that event will look like a Christmas gift!) Anyway, learning from Chuck, I warm up an oz or 2 of CS, open an eyebright cap into it, making a tea, stir in the MSM, let it steep, then strain. Haven't tried putting in any DMSO, but that'll be next I've only used this for the occasional appearance of tiny cysts on my eyelids. It's great for this, the darn things just detach after a few rinsings in an eyecup. Never thought about using it regularly for the floater/s I now have since the vitreous in my right eye starting detaching last year. That was a fun day that started with flashing lights and ended with the fat black floater; that's when I ended up in the ER and then an eye Dr's office. Sharon/starsha -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Floater in the eyes have been permanently removed with the Model 304 of PMT Research for the past several years. This device is, in some ways, similar to the Hulda Clark Zapper, For more information, you can call me at 843-664-9908 from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM EST Dr. Bill
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Vigilus, I do appreciate your information to my questions, and I don't doubt that herbal treatment has good results. After all, alternative therapy is concerned with natural substances instead of man-made ones. I have difficulty seeing how acupuncture would affect floaters which, to my understanding, are detached pieces of some inner part of the eye. VMANN: activation of qi. While the electrochemical activity of herbal substances may cause these loose flaps to dissolve, I cannot see how acupuncture would result in the same thing, but that is obviously my problem, since I do not care to get involved in the whole philosophy of ying versus yang. But thanks again for your information. Peter VMANN: not sure what youre talking about. vigilius haufniensis -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I think the floaters in the eye are bloodspotsthey stay in your eye.Older people often have suchs floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. I have floaters too and the doctor could not take them away. I ' ve got them from the high bloodpressure..hypertention...(((STRESS)) Now I take magnesium and calcium...see www.dr.rath.com At the moment my bloodpressure is good ,I take Relavit and Vitacor (not chemical)maybe in your country other names? Trudy (66) - Original Message - From: Vigilius Haufniensis thehatefuln...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Vigilus, I do appreciate your information to my questions, and I don't doubt that herbal treatment has good results. After all, alternative therapy is concerned with natural substances instead of man-made ones. I have difficulty seeing how acupuncture would affect floaters which, to my understanding, are detached pieces of some inner part of the eye. VMANN: activation of qi. While the electrochemical activity of herbal substances may cause these loose flaps to dissolve, I cannot see how acupuncture would result in the same thing, but that is obviously my problem, since I do not care to get involved in the whole philosophy of ying versus yang. But thanks again for your information. Peter VMANN: not sure what youre talking about. vigilius haufniensis -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 15-12-2006
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I think the floaters in the eye are bloodspotsthey stay in your eye.Older people often have suchs floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. heheheh. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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www.drrath.com see the mail before. - Original Message - From: Vigilius Haufniensis thehatefuln...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes I think the floaters in the eye are bloodspotsthey stay in your eye.Older people often have suchs floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. heheheh. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 15-12-2006
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Dear Gertrude, You wrote: ... floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. I've come a *very* long way in the last decade, and one of the things I've come to accept is that there are some unlikely sounding things that turn out to be true in alternative medicine. I don't know specifically about accupuncture and various eye problems, like floaters, but I'm a *LOT* less willing to use the word impossible now than a few years ago. smile I have floaters too and the doctor could not take them away. There are many folks here and in other alternative health forums I've visted who've proved the doctors wrong many times. We don't ignore them, but we evaluate what they say on an even basis with what we learn from our own work and that of other people we come to trust. We've learned that doctors are forced to ignore many worthwhile ideas, leaving it up to us to research and evaluate them for ourselves. There have been several suggestions offered earlier in this thread that sound promising. When I hear a success story from somebody like Chuck, who's been in the group for years, who's *not* trying to sell anything, and has given other reliable information in the past, I'm going to listen very carefully. Each of us have to define our personal standards of what to believe. When I hear an idea from people I know who don't have a commercial interest, if it is reasonably easy/cheap/simple to test, and my experience or research makes me reasonably confident that it's safe... I will try new things, even when they seem a little unlikely by conventional standards. That's what works for me. shrug Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I agree Mike the majority of the whole health machine would not agree of much of anything we discuss and use here...deb M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Dear Gertrude, You wrote: ... floatersthey don' t go away..with acupuncture,impossible. I've come a *very* long way in the last decade, and one of the things I've come to accept is that there are some unlikely sounding things that turn out to be true in alternative medicine. I don't know specifically about accupuncture and various eye problems, like floaters, but I'm a *LOT* less willing to use the word impossible now than a few years ago. I have floaters too and the doctor could not take them away. There are many folks here and in other alternative health forums I've visted who've proved the doctors wrong many times. We don't ignore them, but we evaluate what they say on an even basis with what we learn from our own work and that of other people we come to trust. We've learned that doctors are forced to ignore many worthwhile ideas, leaving it up to us to research and evaluate them for ourselves. There have been several suggestions offered earlier in this thread that sound promising. When I hear a success story from somebody like Chuck, who's been in the group for years, who's *not* trying to sell anything, and has given other reliable information in the past, I'm going to listen very carefully. Each of us have to define our personal standards of what to believe. When I hear an idea from people I know who don't have a commercial interest, if it is reasonably easy/cheap/simple to test, and my experience or research makes me reasonably confident that it's safe... I will try new things, even when they seem a little unlikely by conventional standards. That's what works for me. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I can't say that I have had any more vexation or anger than the next person, nor have I had liver problems. All in all, I have been very healthy and will be 70 years old in April, although most people don't put me past 50. So how does that relate to floaters? Peter VMANN: in traditional chinese medicine, the liver is said to open into the eyes. if youre 70, it could be a yin deficiency. hard to say, without being able to diagnose you in person. what's your blood like? vigilius haufniensis www.acufinder.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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lol, yeah, im a second year TCM student. they can treat that. - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes One more thing. I am not looking for acupuncturists or Ayurvedic medicine, just a solution for the floaters in my eyes. One fellow claims that he has found it. That is all I want. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: 12/13/2006
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What is TCM, and what is it that they can treat? Perhaps a more complete sentence will make the message more understandable. Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes lol, yeah, im a second year TCM student. they can treat that. - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes One more thing. I am not looking for acupuncturists or Ayurvedic medicine, just a solution for the floaters in my eyes. One fellow claims that he has found it. That is all I want. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: 12/13/2006
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I have no idea what my blood is like, except that it is type O. I also know that I have hypertension because I am not as active as I need to be. Nothing seems to ail me except trying to read through floaters. If they can be eliminated through flax seed oil, or though the other concoctions that have been mentioned here, I would like to look into that, particularly flax seed oil that is absolutely harmless, as well as CS. Chinese medicine and philosophy are outside the scope of my interests, at this stage of my life. After all , we are all going to leave this body behind, sooner or later. But thanks for the information thus far. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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traditional chinese medicine. floaters in the eyes. - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes What is TCM, and what is it that they can treat? Perhaps a more complete sentence will make the message more understandable. Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes lol, yeah, im a second year TCM student. they can treat that. - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes One more thing. I am not looking for acupuncturists or Ayurvedic medicine, just a solution for the floaters in my eyes. One fellow claims that he has found it. That is all I want. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: 12/13/2006
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So how does TCM eliminate floaters from the eyes, without acupuncture? Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes traditional chinese medicine. floaters in the eyes. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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dont know all the particulars, but they use herbs for treatment. herbs and acupuncture. can also treat hypertension. - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes So how does TCM eliminate floaters from the eyes, without acupuncture? Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes traditional chinese medicine. floaters in the eyes. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: 12/13/2006
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Hi Peter, Tonite, with a few beers under the belt, I cannot help but reply to your post in detail, as I do understand what it is like, at this stage of life, which is code for, I am old and have no time to waste learning about new things. Just tell me what will fix these damm floaters in my eyes. You want a concoction to fix the floaters. But only harmless ones. And Chinese medicine or philosophy don't interest you, and we are all going to die anyway. If you were joking I could accept that, but i didn't see any smileys there. If you do realize, if it's true, that you have hypertension cause you are not as active as you should be, then what is your question? You are dying, We all are. Only you can control how fast that is happening. Continue seeking, maybe that will help. probably gonna regret this post. Ross - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes I have no idea what my blood is like, except that it is type O. I also know that I have hypertension because I am not as active as I need to be. Nothing seems to ail me except trying to read through floaters. If they can be eliminated through flax seed oil, or though the other concoctions that have been mentioned here, I would like to look into that, particularly flax seed oil that is absolutely harmless, as well as CS. Chinese medicine and philosophy are outside the scope of my interests, at this stage of my life. After all , we are all going to leave this body behind, sooner or later. But thanks for the information thus far. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 6:13 PM
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Ross, I certainly can thank you for a response, even though the beer under your belt seems to have rendered it worthless, in terms of constructive suggestion. Getting old does not mean giving up, nor does lack of interest in Chinese medicine, (inter-related with Chinese philosophy) mean lack of interest in learning new things. There are some on various websites who advocate recycling their own urine as a therapeutic means, and I hope they enjoy it and benefit from it. But I don't have to espouse that to be a well balanced individual. Lack of exercise is largely due to a full time job, a house remodel effort, and an attempt to start a new business. Lack of interest in someone's pet philosophical bent is not a lack of interest for life or knowledge, just a lack of conforming to the latest craze that happens to be sweeping America. There may be a lot of good to it, and a lot of old world superstition as well. If a simple and tried method is available, which some have suggested here, then it is sufficient for the need at hand without my having to adopt a whole knew philosophy, and this is true at any and every age. I hope that you don't limit your intellectual input only to occasions when you have had a few beers under your belt. I would also like to hear the unaffected you speaking. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Vigilus, I do appreciate your information to my questions, and I don't doubt that herbal treatment has good results. After all, alternative therapy is concerned with natural substances instead of man-made ones. I have difficulty seeing how acupuncture would affect floaters which, to my understanding, are detached pieces of some inner part of the eye. While the electrochemical activity of herbal substances may cause these loose flaps to dissolve, I cannot see how acupuncture would result in the same thing, but that is obviously my problem, since I do not care to get involved in the whole philosophy of ying versus yang. But thanks again for your information. Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes dont know all the particulars, but they use herbs for treatment. herbs and acupuncture. can also treat hypertension. - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes So how does TCM eliminate floaters from the eyes, without acupuncture? Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes traditional chinese medicine. floaters in the eyes. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: 12/13/2006
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Chuck, Your post caught my interest because I am also bothered by heavy floaters. Please give me a detailed description of the eye formula you have used, meaning, the exact proportions of the mixture and where you get Dr. Christopher's eye drops. Peter -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSEye cataracts options with MSM, NAC, etc. Carlos I currently uses eyedrops using Dr Christophers eyedrop tincture that contains eyebright, billberry, etc. and includes Cayenne also. I created my own formula by using CS ,MSM, and 15 drops of Christopher's extract in an ounce container. My problem was heavy floaters. Not a problem anymore. Stings a little, no big deal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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www.acufinder.com have you had issues with your liver? feelings of vexation, or anger? headaches? - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Chuck, Your post caught my interest because I am also bothered by heavy floaters. Please give me a detailed description of the eye formula you have used, meaning, the exact proportions of the mixture and where you get Dr. Christopher's eye drops. Peter -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSEye cataracts options with MSM, NAC, etc. Carlos I currently uses eyedrops using Dr Christophers eyedrop tincture that contains eyebright, billberry, etc. and includes Cayenne also. I created my own formula by using CS ,MSM, and 15 drops of Christopher's extract in an ounce container. My problem was heavy floaters. Not a problem anymore. Stings a little, no big deal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006
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Not a real recipe, Peter. Using CS as the liquid, I dissolve a tsp of MSM in about an ounce of CS and add about 15 drops of the tincture. Put it in one of those 1 oz dropper containers that artificial tears come in. You pry the top off. Google for online Dr Christopher formulas or visit your health food store. The number of drops depends on how lucky the punk feels today (my first batch was 8 drops of the good Dr's mix). BTW, my floaters were like heavy cargo nets used in shipping. I feared they were going to take over! Been 4 or 5 years now and all is well. Chuck I have a very rare video of houdini getting locked out of his car. On 12/13/2006 10:02:36 PM, Peter M. Stellas (stel...@foxinternet.net) wrote: Chuck, Your post caught my interest because I am also bothered by heavy floaters. Please give me a detailed description of the eye formula you have used, meaning, the exact proportions of the mixture and where you get Dr. Christopher's eye drops. Peter -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSEye cataracts options with MSM, NAC, etc. Carlos I currently uses eyedrops using Dr Christophers eyedrop tincture that contains eyebright, billberry, etc. and includes Cayenne also. I created my own formula by using CS ,MSM, and 15 drops of Christopher's extract in an ounce container. My problem was heavy floaters. Not a problem anymore. Stings a little, no big deal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I can't say that I have had any more vexation or anger than the next person, nor have I had liver problems. All in all, I have been very healthy and will be 70 years old in April, although most people don't put me past 50. So how does that relate to floaters? Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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One more thing. I am not looking for acupuncturists or Ayurvedic medicine, just a solution for the floaters in my eyes. One fellow claims that he has found it. That is all I want. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks for that reply, Chuck. The formula does not contain any ingredients that I would fear putting in my eyes, and if you got good results it is worth a try. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
