[RCSE] Fw: [midwestslope] MH-32 Cobras for sale
- Original Message - From: Lee Estingoy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: [midwestslope] MH-32 Cobras for sale I have 2 Cobras that need new homes. I have a description of them here. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535436highlight=cobra Both are for sale. These would make great slope racers Don't reply to this email, I don't check the account much. Use [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call direct. Lee Estingoy 913 488 0277__._,_.___ For calendar click here:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midwestslope/cal SPONSORED LINKS Private aircraft charter Aircraft insurance Aircraft appraisal Aircraft finance Aircraft financing Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[RCSE] For sale at Soaring Masters
I'll have the following ships for sale at Muncie this weekend. I'd like to move them on to better homes.1. New Pazderka Victor F3J. Xtail. Carbon D-Tube layup. Bright green top, watermelon bottoms. Looks exactly like the one on Pazderka's page. No text on bottom of wing. Has JR DS 368s all around. Greening mounts. Love the plane, but have two. $1100 airframe only. $1475 with servos 3800 IP pack. Only flown a few times.2. Eraser MH-32 V tail. White tops, red tips. Dark blue bottoms. Curved wing tips. 9141 Airtronics all around. They are in good shape, no wobble. $6003. Cobra MH-32 V Tail. White top, red tips. Usual Cobra fuse. 9141s in wings. Something on V. Would make an excellent sloper. $4004. Cobra MH-32 V tail. Yellow with blue and red tips. Fuse rebuilt from behid wing root to the servo tray. Volz servos all around. $450 in servos in this ship. $6005. NYX F3J. X tail. white with red tips. I think there are Volz in the wing, hs 5245 on elevator. Good shape, a nick here or there. $800Please feel free to call with questions. 913 488 0277 cell.
Re: [RCSE] I was at the UAV Convention this week and you weren't
Sorry you didn't stop by the Castle Creations booth. I think. We make a lot of the UAVs go, and we displayed a UAV that we make the entire electronics suite for -- autopilot, gps, comms, and of course motor controls. Also had some of our new cool stuff to show and tell -- Berg 7, SHV, and more. Lee Estingoy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: [RCSE] "I was at the UAV Convention this week and you weren't" Got to see some really kooky stuff and some pretty cool stuff to. It ranges from incredibly low tech to very high tech. One Israeli group was also on the F3J team for a lot of years. I met up with Michael Volz there and got to spend a lot of time just walking the floor and checking out 'stuff'.There was a bunch of super micro UAV's and a bunch of foamies too. Life could be worse ;-) Next stop? ESL two day this coming weekend, Maryland. Gordy
Re: [RCSE] New Spread Spectrum Radios
JR / Spektrum put on a few discussions with one of the Spektrum's designers at the recent AMA show in Ontario, CA. I attended one, interesting stuff. Range and power are NOT the primary concerns that the Spektrum people have with using their system on larger or non-foamy ships. The issue is that the combination of frequency and antenna size make it possible for larger planes with more solid structures or components to potentially encounter an attitude where the little antennas are masked from the TX, thereby losing signal, and perhaps, the plane. This would not be an issue on park flyers, unless one were to mount a DA100 on one. Other factors that may reduce range are atmospheric, most notably humidity. Carbon fiber construction will definitely maybe possibly also have an affect on this issue of reception. So, if you flyDLGs in the rain and feel that the risk of being shot down by your good buddies at the field is larger than the risk of the carbon in your plane masking the signal, you may find the range of the Spektrum to be a problem. Otherwise, it should work fine on the manufacturer's suggested applications. He did indicate that Spektrum is working hard to roll out a version that will be suitable for larger aircraft. Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: S Meyer To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: Doug McLaren ; Bob Johnson ; Dan Ahearn Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] New Spread Spectrum Radios Thanks guys. Good link.So, is 2.4G SS approved by AMA? What happens if somebody wants to use a 2.4G SS radio at an AMA Club field or even an AMA sanctioned contest? What frequency pin do you use?Some fool is bound to try it, even though the range is less than 72 MHz. However the range seems to be sufficient for DLG, (errr... at least most of the time :-) ). Would be a comfy feeling knowing I can fly my DLG at any local park or small field and not be worried about being shot down or doing worse to someone else.Steve MeyerSOAR, LSF IVAt 10:01 PM 1/25/2006, Dan Ahearn wrote: Should be fine on the slope. I flew my buddy's in a easystar to 1500' AGL (RAM2 varified) and about 1800' down range, no glitches no worries, solid as a rock. There is a great thread worth looking at on RC groups http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452817In fact, I've had a chance to wiggle the sticks on a 6102 converted to the Spectrum, folks are running with it.On 1/25/06, Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:08:45AM -0600, Bob Johnson wrote: | As I see it, the biggest 'problem' with using one in a glider is that the | receiver has two antennae, each 3.75 inches in length that should be kept at | right angles to one-another. Apparantly each antenna is for a completely seperate RX on a different 1 MHz channel (but being spread spectrum, these channels can be shared with others), so if one gets a good signal and one doesn't, you're still good. So having them at right angles will give you a better chance of picking up at least one signal for any given orientation, but even having them both at 180 degrees (i.e. straight) wouldn't be any worse than a 72 MHz RX with a perfectly straight antenna (which is pretty common.) Bigger problems that I see are that the range is limited (though they haven't really said just how limited -- but from what I've heard it's somewhere between 1000 and 3000 feet) and that if you have a carbon fiber fuselage, getting the antenna out of the fuse might be difficult. Note that the limited range might very well exasberate any sub-optimal antenna orientations. Also, being that it's 2.4 GHz, I'd strongly suggest against putting any 2.4 GHz transmitters into your plane -- like any telemetry or video transmitter. Even if the exact frequencies used differ, I'd still expect it to desense the RX and reduce the range even more. I've never used one of the systems myself, but from what I've seen they work fine. The TX is a pretty basic computer radio, and there's only six channels to work with so using it with a full house glider will probably mean giving up some things, but I'll bet they're just the thing at the slope with simpler planes. They'd also be nice for situations where you have what looks like a great slope or site, but it's only a mile away from an established club and so you don't really dare flying there with traditional equipment. They need to hurry up and get a 8+ channel system with full range and a more featured transmitter (either that or modules for existing radios.) It would
Re: [RCSE] New Spread Spectrum Radios
Yes, but I think you are missing the point. The problem for Spektrum is large areas of solid (to RF at this freq.) material that block the antennae. Carbon tubes or strips in a foamy aren't large enough to matter. Lee - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lee Estingoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com; S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dan Ahearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] New Spread Spectrum Radios Lee Estingoy wrote: JR / Spektrum put on a few discussions with one of the Spektrum's Carbon fiber construction will definitely maybe possibly also have an affect on this issue of reception. So, if you fly DLGs in the rain and feel that the risk of being shot down by your good buddies at the field is larger than the risk of the carbon in your plane masking the signal, you may find the range of the Spektrum to be a problem. Otherwise, it should work fine on the manufacturer's suggested applications. Lots of the foamies out there that you would consider park flyers have carbon all over them to keep the cheezy foam from bending, almost Fortunately, China has really cheap labor so now you can get a woodie for under $100. But even that has carbon fiber landing gear and the battery packs are almost as long as the antenna. I don't have any extra RX for mine so I haven't taken it out to the slope yet. And the 6102 retrofit looks really tempting since the 6102 has a lot nicer program than the stock DX6... But what I really want is a 10X spektrum Yes, I really do have stuff that isn't a sailplane. There is not much thermal activity just before sunset in the middle of the winter so the electric powered thermal in the nose will have to do for flying in the back yard. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Johnny and Butch
Guys, I've made a suggestion that we consider putting tugs on freq's that end in 0, or are divisible by ten for you engineers. Then we keep the gliders off those channels. Makes it a bit easier to deal with the bigger events. Really sucks when a tug is conflicted by the glider guy. Alternatively, buy a synthesized setup... and keep the tugs on a channel divisible by 10! If you don't like that idea, please come up with another that establishes some generally acceptable tug channels that will be easy to explain and fair to all, not whatever your tug happens to be on... Lee Estingoy Counsel Castle Creations, Inc. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@Airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: [RCSE] Johnny and Butch Johnny, I will need a set og 59 and 60 JR Xtals for tugging, or is it 58 and 59??? Can you help CJ --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold
Re: [RCSE] Johnny and Butch
Dammit, you don't even tell us what the "system" is
that you guys are using for years.
It's the same old in-bred good o'd system that
keeps things static and ever so slightly dysfunctional in this end of the
hobby.
Think big picture or outside the box or long
term. Just because you guys in the Ohio Valley have a system, doesn't mean
that the guys who may be, heaven forbid, from outside that area even know what
it is. If there is a national type of rule, like I proposed or something
similar, then everybody from anywhere in the US will be able to be compliant
without having to know the secret handshake.
Yes, you do need more than 2 tugs at major
events.
Just my 2 cents.
Lee
- Original Message -
From:
Johnny Berlin
To: Lee Estingoy ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@Airage.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:20
AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Johnny and
Butch
Lee, We have used this system for as long as I
have been towing. It works for us.
If we stay with this then everone will know what
the tug freqs are and there will be no problems. And ( in my opion) we dont
need more than 2 freqs for the tugs.
Johnny and Butch
- Original Message -
From:
Lee
Estingoy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@Airage.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:46
AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Johnny and
Butch
Guys,
I've made a suggestion that we consider putting
tugs on freq's that end in 0, or are divisible by ten for you
engineers. Then we keep the gliders off those channels. Makes it
a bit easier to deal with the bigger events. Really sucks when a tug
is conflicted by the glider guy.
Alternatively, buy a synthesized setup... and
keep the tugs on a channel divisible by 10!
If you don't like that idea, please come up
with another that establishes some generally acceptable tug channels that
will be easy to explain and fair to all, not whatever your tug happens to be
on...
Lee Estingoy
Counsel
Castle Creations, Inc.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: soaring@Airage.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:16
AM
Subject: [RCSE] Johnny and
Butch
Johnny,
I will need a set og 59 and 60 JR Xtals for tugging, or is it 58 and
59???
Can you help
CJ
--Jack Strother Granger, IN
LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS
Gold
Re: [RCSE] Aerotowing
The Derstine page was a good start, although it was far from the last word on the topic. It represented his views and opinions. I think you all know the rest of that... Aerotowing is definitely enjoyable. You asked for parameters. Tugs should be large enough and powerful enough to be seen and haul the planes up. While we have successfully towed a 50 lb sailplane with a 50cc 1/4 scale Cub, we do not recommend that for all. The addition of larger engines to the tugs gives quite a bit of a safety margin to both ships. If the sailplane drags a wing tip and starts to pirouette on the ground, a larger/more powerful tug can pull through. A smaller setup would have difficulty. It is our belief here in KS, where we do a lot of aerotow, that a powerful launch is best. The goal is to get the team up high enough and with enough airspeed that, should the tow need to be aborted, the sailplane has a better chance to return to the field. Tug and glider pilot can both play a role in modulating the speed of the tow. I have ships that have easily overrun the tug. It was my fault, all I had to do was pull up on the sailplane to reduce it's speed. The tug pilot can also pull up to accomplish the same. Do not scrimp on the quality of the tow release SERVO. The release should be tested such that the line is released under significant load. The servo should have good torque, obviously digital is overkill. Use the servo arm wisely, put the release cable/wire at the shortest possible part of the arm, not the outside. You don't need much throw. It is critical that the two pilots communicate, especially when either is new or nervous. Do not hesitate to release if things get out of shape. Do not hesitate to tell the other guy to get off if things are either out of shape or too high for comfort. Interesting to note the comment about things coming full circle back to power. I'd like to offer that we have found that the tugs without mufflers, like those used at JR, are loud. It wears on you after a while. You don't notice the sound levels 'till they take a break and it is significant and unenjoyable. We have had great success in hushing our tugs using mufflers, prop choice and throttle management. Finally, smaller wheels on either the tug or the sailplane should be discouraged. If the sailplane is small, say 1/4 or less, the wheel will frequently not be tall enough for modest grass. Use a dolly. This is by far the most frequent cause of aerotow mishap. Please go to my half-developed web site. I have lots of pics and videos, and lots of self incriminating descriptions of mistakes made with aerotow ships. Please learn from them. www.kcse.us Lee Estingoy Kansas City Soaring and Electric Club and in a new twist, Consiglieri for Castle Creations, Inc. Yes, I now get paid to play with toys planes all day long. :) Off to AMA show tomorrow. - Original Message - From: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Aerotowing I find that Aerotow is easier than other types of launching. Sailplane pilot keeps the wings level and the tow pilot does the rest. Heck, Johnny Berlin took my plane straight up while he was doing rolls. My job was to let him know when I was going to release. One thing I noticed is that towing takes some special talent. There are occasions when tow pilots have a hard time keeping the right amount of speed and the right amount of climb for some of the faster sailplanes. Sometimes the sailplane can overtake the tow plane and make for some exciting releases. Or, from what I've been told, some of us less experienced sailplane pilots don't know when to use spoilers on tow. I guess there are two ways to look at it. One is to just pull the plane right up to release height the fastest way. The other is to make it more realistic like the full scale with a slower steady climb. I don't know which I like better yet. I do know that tow pilots like Johnny and others make it seem easy. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Aerotowing This probably doesn't help Bill, but I can see the full circle now. Many sailplane clubs were off shoots of power clubs and with aerotowing becoming popular I can see the migration back to the power clubs. Aerotow is very similar to an ROG winch tow, but Aerotow for sure beats lugging the winch. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Aerotowing Naturally, the Derstine page roughly titled What
Re: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank, Sounds like you are taking on a project that may be a bit beyond your experience. No problem, just make sure you are getting good advice -- make sure that person has been there and done that. When you move from the usual stuff, like TD or smaller sailplanes to larger scale ships, especially 1/3 scale, the forces involved and therefore thebuilding techniques are different. I have built several larger scale ships. I've made a lot of mistakes for you. I have articles here. www.kcse.us, look under articles section To answer your question, no, regular US Obechi is not sufficient BY ITSELF as a skin for 1/3 wings IF the skin is your sole support for the wing. If you build a foam core wing with a spar system, then YES, US thickness obechi will work IF you also use some glass or carbon fiber beneath it as part of your composite construction. I have used, and recommend Avia sport pultruded carbon strips for the spar. It is part of a box spar that has been discussed and detailed by Dr. Drela. You can scale it up easily to your model's size using the Excel spreadsheet also availble at the site above. Good luck, any more questions, do not hesitate to contact me. Lee - Original Message - From: George Voss To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting' Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed Frank, Im not familiar with this particular plane but Id agree with you. The obechi we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless you have a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the thin obechi? George From: Frank Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 PMTo: RCSE postingSubject: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed Hi, I got a good deal ona 1/3 scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher Hobby. Unfortunately there are no plans included and I need to know what thickness obechi the wing cores are cut for. I did some research but no success. The common thickness for sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what I found that seems to be too thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by Mueller in Germany in the same size which is sheeted with 1.2 mm which is roughly twice as thick. Any info would be appreciated! Frank
Re: [RCSE] LMR motor for Pike Superior
Hi Jim, Sounds like a neat project. I have recently converted an Artemis to 10 cell and it is a lot of fun. I use an Aveox F10LMR in it with 10 GP2200s. That's all that will fit! You should consider trying out the various combinations in MotoCalc. It's a great program that lets you test drive your combinations before you buy. I think you will find that the Hacker motors are lighter for the same output as the Aveox. Due to their better magnet design they can spin faster, and using the higher ratio gearboxes, spin a larger prop than the Aveox. Larger prop disc results in moving more air = more thrust. You will want to keep the setup as light as possible for best sailplane performance. The added weight will also make it more challenging to spot land the ship. It won't be the same as landing the TD ships. A landing that would be normal for a TD ship DID result in cracked fuse on the Artemis due to the added mass. All that said, I too had an F10 and an F12 hanging on the wall when I went to convert the Artemis. I found the F10 to be the better option for me. Commercial plug warning -- If you are in the market for a new speed control I'd like to suggest a Castle P-80 for this project. It is a sensorless design, as are all controllers these days. They work, and they have great support both for setup and for troubleshooting should you have any difficulties. I think they are priced comparably to the Jetis, but I'd better find out for sure... There are a number of reasons that the P80 is a good choice, but in sum, it's very flexible and options may be selected in the programming that will help you have more fun and less trouble from your ship. Yes, I do have a relationship with Castle. I also have some LMR knowledge... Good luck, any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS 2000 NATS Unlimited Electric Sailplane winner (woohooo!) - Original Message - From: Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:03 AM Subject: [RCSE] LMR motor for Pike Superior I am setting up a Pike Superior for F5J next season and am looking for some suggestions as to what drivetrain to put in it. I have in my collection a couple of Aveox motors that I have never used: An F12LMR (10-16 cells) and F7LMR (7-10 cells). So far, my experience with unlimited F5J planes is with my molded E- Graphite, which uses a Hacker B50S LMR (7-10 cell). I've been running it on 10 cell GP2200 packs and it gives the Graphite a vertical climb. I'd like the same sort of climb with this new Pike. Few questions for you F5J experts out there: 1) I want to run this plane on 10 cells so as to keep the weight down. Am I better off running the F12LMR or the F7LMR with 10 cells? What are the pros and cons? 2) Will I be better off simply putting a tried and true Hacker B50SLMR in this plane? 3) In addition to the three large wires, the Aveox motors have a five- wire connector that apparently connects only to the Aveox controllers. But all other controllers I've seen have only the three large wires. What are the 5 small wires for? And can an Aveox motor that has them be controlled by a Jeti or other brushless controller? Thanks for any suggestions and advice! --Jim Laurel Seattle Area Soaring Society RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: LMR motor for Pike Superior
Hmm, need to reply to this one too. 1. I personally think that the BEC idea for a ship this size is a bad, bad, idea. BECs generally are not designed to serve power for more than 3 or 4 servos. Less if using digitals or micros. I trust that your Pike would have more than that. Also, BECs are part of the motor controller. Should something nasty happen to the controller, you simply lose the entire ship in a spectacular and agonizing manner. I found that there was no way to adequately balance my Artemis without using the RX pack as balance weight in the tailboom (about 16 inches behind the wing!) A receiver pack is the safest way to go. Weight is important, but reliability is much more important to me. 2. LI-ION or Li-Poly are really cool. Really expensive too. Not real small in form factor. They may not fit into your ship. Not as cost effective as the GP2200 or similar. Also, they don't come out nice and warm for those cold days :) High amps are hard to come by on those things, you will likely be drawing 60 or 70 + with the Aveox. Don't want to do more if you want to use it for a while. Lee - Original Message - From: Tord Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: [RCSE] Re: LMR motor for Pike Superior On Monday 14 November 2005 12.37, Jim wrote: 1) I want to run this plane on 10 cells so as to keep the weight down. Am I better off running the F12LMR or the F7LMR with 10 cells? What are the pros and cons? The biggest boost is using Li-Ion power instead, as they weigh much less - get a high-amp-proof Li-Ion pack, a Li-Ion-approved controller (Hackers with BEC are nice) and the smaller motor :-)! Unless it is too light, then by all means the bigger motor - generally, bigger motor = slightly higher efficiency! But higher weight, lower climb, so it isn't sure you win with a bigger motor! Tord PS Aveox with Hacker, rocks :-)! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #6696: LMR motor for Pike Superior
This could go on forever. Proper cycling and observation of cells will indicate whether they are to be trusted. However, using motor cells for RX has more mechanisms of failure due to the higher amp draw/heat/Motor/Controller failure/more joints to fail/etc. Could be something as stupid as the firewall coming unglued and jamming the motor/prop/ Similarly, more in the UBEC to fail too. It's up to the user. I'd go with simplicity, the weight savings are minimal, perhaps de minimis, in perspective of the size of ship that we are talking about. Over and out. Lee - Original Message - From: glide [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #6696: LMR motor for Pike Superior But what if the rx pack goes south? Then what is left is garbage. If a cell goes bad on the motive pack with a UBEC installed, you still have power to control the servos. Aloha to all on RCSE, Al Battad - WH6VE AMA #506981 -Original Message- From: Dan Neelands [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:21 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #6696: LMR motor for Pike Superior If no one has mentioned it don't forget to look at Neu motors. I am running a 1506 2D 6.71 gearbox on 10 GP 3300s with terrific results. 80 amps with an 18x10 prop in an electric Escape. It's smoother than a Hacker and I can talk to the people who built it on the phone. I had some range issues with a UBEC too. Now that I have a little 4 cell AAA pack in there the worry of motive pack failure is gone as are the range issues. If a cell goes bad in the motive pack or something else it's still a glider! Dan Neelands -- Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:38:23 -0500 From: Frank Slaughter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tord Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #6696: LMR motor for Pike Superior Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a look at http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3D440307. It's about the crash of a Stratos SL/e, tentatively blamed on an SBEC, which is a stand-alone battery eliminator. Frank=20 -Original Message- From: Tord Eriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:16 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #6696: LMR motor for Pike Superior On Monday 14 November 2005 16.37, lee wrote: I personally think that the BEC idea for a ship this size is a bad,=20 bad, idea. Rethinking, yes, of course! But one of those gizmos that replaces a rx battery saves a lot of weight. And yes, form factors when it comes to Li-Ion packs can make them impossible to use - but check around, there are many brands! Sensorless Hacker controllers are a blessing, after having used AVeox's sensored, 'nuff said :-)! Tord -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RC Marketing questions
Hi Guys, I am looking at some marketing plans for a new company that makes electronic components for RC. They willhave a respectable budget for marketing and I am trying to help them spend it wisely. I'd liketo know your thoughts on marketing -- 1. Do your dollars follow print ads, web banners on RC Groups/RC Universe, or the advice of your flying buddies? Do you attend any of the RC sales conventions? 2. Do you find your Local Hobby Shop a valuable resource on choice of electric motors and controllers? Do you buy locally or online? 3. What are your deal makers/deal breakers for electronics such as controllers, servos, receivers -- ie, is price your main concern, quality (and how do you decide that something is quality), or perhaps made (and serviced) in the USA vs. overseas for manufacture, support and service? 4. How many electric planes do you buy/make a year? 5. Would a company's support of (your club's)events with prizes or advertising be a factor which would help you choose their product of equivalent price and capability over another manufacturer's offering? I would really appreciate your input. RC is a small community and every little bit of support helps -- helps the hobbyist, helps the events, and helps the manufacturers pay their bills so that they can develop and make cool products available at the most reasonable prices so we can all go out and fly. Thank you in advance for your time! Lee Estingoy (913) 685 8291
Re: [RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND
Agreed, but that's a hard one to solve. Mr. Beshar tries very hard, and clearly has great intentions. However, in the recent past when I tried to get help from AMA for that sort of thing, I was very sorely disappointed in the quality of the program. It (then - I don't know about now) consisted primarily of a packet of info and testimonials from lesser known astronauts that clearly linked their involvement in model planes to their success as astronauts. Great, but how the hell does that get me a flying field or ride on a rocketship for that matter? Again, this is a very noble goal, that the AMA be involved and be a TRUE resource for lobbying and securing long term solutions to flying sites in the respective areas. I don't think that the staff (or the budget) are presently up to that task. I also think that the AMA better come up with some REAL solution to the Parkflyer / renegade flier (vs. or nearby) traditional fields issue. Seems to me a long time ago the AMA could have simply huddled with the 3 or 4 RC TX manufacturers and gotten them to voluntarily put the parkie (4 channel and under) radios on a select few channels and warned the rest of us to stay clear (like driving on New Year's Eve). Bottom line for me is that the AMA has a lot of dedicated volunteers who mean well, but either aren't informed as to the AMA's goals, policies and issues, or are clueless due to time constraints, age-related technophobia (VCRs are blinking 12?), or are simply in over their heads. AMA's primary goal seems to be gaining membership. Their answer to the where's the beef? question is rather lame. The solution to all of those is LEADERSHIP. I haven't seen much of that. Yes, I have looked for it. I don't think we are talking about soaring here... Lee - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND While the Internet has changed a lot of things about clubs and getting together and etc. it can't give you land to fly on. For the next decade, this is the largest challenge our hobby faces. Even park flyers will feel the Pinch as more and more people cram onto smaller and smaller park spaces for more and more of the day's flyable hours. Already I have to forget trying to fly at most of the flyable park land in my area because team sports are using it continually for one sport or the other, and the darn games overlap each other. Yes, you can fly in a driveway or cul-de-sac, the planes getting smaller and smaller... but that's not the only kind of flying I want to do. And as glider folk, I don't think most of you do either. Access is the real problem looming, with land prices going ever-upward, and developers grabbing up farm land everywhere you look, and a more litigious and over-careful society that more and more, looks at our hobby as either an annoyance or national security threat... How much flying will you be able to get in when you will have to drive an hour each way to the field or slope? It's going to happen, just a question of time. This to my mind is the number one goal AMA should have now: getting, and keeping flying sites with a long-term view. And that's a worthy goal no matter WHAT you fly. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] ED's reply to Jim Deck
Hmm, sorta casts some doubts on the necessity of having the grand shrine to the AMA and it's competitive spirit in Muncie. If it doesn't really reflect the needs of the members, why are we supporting it? I don't mind the web only coverage. Print magazines are on the way out. Sure wish we could opt out of paying for the MA rag. Big disconnect at AMA, not all the managers are playing from the same playbook. Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: Dana Flemming To: soaring Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: [RCSE] ED's reply to Jim Deck If you will permit me a moment's insanity: this response is nothing but unadulterated, unabashed, ridiculousgarbage. And, if I weren't who I am, I'd use lots stronger language than that. What group, if it has a competition, doesn't devote substantial time/energy/space to reporting its NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP? (Go ahead, Visalia flyers, flame away.). Can you imagine the NFL downplaying the Super Bowl? Or MBL the World Series? It's rare that someone's aimless regurgitations get my ire up, but this one absolutely takesthe cake. Maybe sometime I'll let you know how I REALLY feel about it. Dana The competitor is now in the minority in AMA. In fact, less than 5 percentof our membership compete in any manner at all. We simply cannot justifydevoting all of 1/12 of our yearly editorial pages to just one meet - evenif it is the Nats.
Re: [RCSE] I got a Kennedy Composites Supra on order...you?
I remember when guys used to post the titles in their CD collections online. Relax Gordy, we love you for just being you, not for your toys. Give it a rest. Lee Overland Park, KS -- no, I didn't post my collection online -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [RCSE] "I got a Kennedy Composites Supra on order...you?" So I have Pike Superiors which I love, and I have two of the new Pike Giant wings coming for them (its the super slope racer wing, extended to 130" and is the rage for TD now)and a custom painted Volz Powered new version Sharon on the boards too. Did I mention the F5J Pulsar 2005 I am picking up on my way to Toronto this week? So I was thinking on the plane back from Florida today, I need another sailplane! So during the take off while they were announcing to turn off cell phones, I asked the flight attendant to stop the roll out so that I could call Barry to get on the list. :-) Should be here around Dec or Jan, depending on how they come thru from CZ. How about you? Do you have a Supra on order too? Gordy Louisville for two day
[RCSE] Anybody make an electric Mantis fuse?
Anybody make an electric Mantis fuse? Thanks, Lee RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: [Scale-Soaring] What Battery Size for 1/3 scale Salto
Weight shouldn't be a concern, your battery will replace lead. My feeling is that simplicity is best. A regulator just adds expense and another failure point. 4.8 volts will work just fine. We have experienced some wacky behavior with6 volts and some servos. There is a feeling, unconfirmed, though empirically driven,that 6+ volts is perhaps more likely to toast/wear out servos prematurely. You may consider having 2 4.8 packs, just wire them both into separate switches and then into the wiring harness at 2 different point/lines such that a failure of any connector along the way will not lead to a dark ship. We fly lots of 1/3 scale ships here, that's what works for us. Lee Estingoy Kansas Soaring and Electric Club (KCSE) www.kcse.us - Original Message - From: Craig Telleson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: [Scale-Soaring] What Battery Size for 1/3 scale Salto Dear Group, I am soon to be flying an aerobatic1/3 scale Salto (v-tail) with 8 servos( 4 working all the time). I will be using old airtronics vision with PCM receiver on 4.8 volt. Question is what is a good receiver battery set up? A six volt 3600 mAh (5 cell)with a 5.0 voltage regulator, or a 5000 mAh (4 cell 4.8v)? What is a safer way to go? What are you in this group using. Good Lift to All, Craig Torrey PinesSan Diego, CA (858) 274 - 4321 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Scale-Soaring" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/117 - Release Date: 10/3/2005
[RCSE] Kansas Aerotow next weekend
Hi Guys, Reminder that the KCSE club's Fall Aerotow will be held next Friday, Saturday and Sunday. We will have a number of large tugs and the field looks great. We need to get an idea of who is planning to attend so that we can prepare adequate lunches. Please email or call LEE ESTINGOY to let me know that you are coming. Info and details are here www.kcse.us Thanks, Lee Estingoy Kansas City Soaring and Electric Club, Inc. Overland Park, KS
Re: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ?
Your analysis is just wrong. Wrong to be on the list, and wrong otherwise. As with ANY political fiasco, there are many facets to the story. Unless you know most, you are simply not qualified to comment. Simply sitting your ___ in front of FOX does not make you qulified in the least to comment, although it might make you slightly more informed than the morons you are rooting for. 1. Undoubtedly everybody screwed up. 2. This was actually a successful evacuation. You should go back and research the recent efforts for the near-miss events of the past 3 or 4 years. 3. I doubt you know anything about the legal responsibilities of the the levee districts and their co-ordination with the US A Corps of Engineers. Stifle your comments unless you know the truth. Your knowledge of the the casino is wrong. 4. The Bush administration has been exposed for it's incompetence and willingness to appoint Nothingburgers to office. I offer Chertoff, Brown, as well as Rice, maintaining Tenet, etc. For more, see the articles in the papers today about their appointment for the head of the morph that used to be Immigration. A 36 year old lawyer woman who hasn't held a single job for more than 24 months... See also unfunded mandates such as no child left behind, and perhaps even that little reported event - IRAQ as examples of foresight and leadership. 5. Regardless of how the locals screwed up, the feds are part of the plan to get relief in after the storm. The locals had supplies for what was planned for, the feds and likely the state, dropped the plan. 6. Compare with the Bush administration's masterful handling of the looting in Baghdad in the hours and days after the victorious conqueration(?) of Iraq. 7. The only thing that was missing from that idiot's speeches in and around New Orleans in the aftermath was a declaration that he was waiting for the people of New Orleans to draft a new constitution. 8. You fail to mention what part of the country you call home. Thank your lucky stars and hug your baby, say a prayer that YOU aren't reliant on the FEDS for relief from a catastrophy. You simply have no idea of the scope of the disaster down there. 9. Once the US military was finally tasked to deal with things, amazing stuff started to happen. 10. Leadership DOES NOT EXIST in the EXECUTIVE branch. BTW, I was a resident of New Orleans for 35 of the past 39 years. My family made it out OK, they lost 6 of 9 houses. Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: Lighthorse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring @ airage.com soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ? I just ran across this and thought it interesting WHO IS RESPONSIBLE In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is: 1. The Mayor 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor) 3. The Governor 4. The Head of Homeland Security 5. The President What did each do? 1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much! for political appointees) 3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit. 4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them 5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it. Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The levee board had extra money so they bought a casino and a jet airplane to travel around in. The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe
[RCSE] KCSE Fall Aerotow Reminder
Hi Guys, Just a quick reminder that the KCSE Fall Aerotow is just a few weeks away. We look forward to flying on Friday, September 30, and Sat/Sun Oct. 1 2. The site is about 20 miles southwest of Metro Kansas City area. Location and details are at www.kcse.us We would like to reserve channels 19, 30 and 40 for tugs. Kindly make crystal changes as necessary to keep those channels clear. We will again provide lunch on Friday and make arrangements for dinner Friday night. I need to get a ballpark number of those who will be attending to make final plans. Please email me directly to let me know that you plan to attend. Castle Creations is again providing a nice bonus for all who attend - a 50% off coupon for ANY Castle product. Look forward to seeing you in KS! Lee
Re: [RCSE] Wetting Carbon Tow ....
There may be a better way. I use precured carbon strips. Available from Avia Sport Composites. Their material is FAR superior to anything that you can make with tow, they are significantly stronger/stiffer/lighter for their relative size. I have several relevant articles on my club web site, under articles www.kcse.us Lee Estingoy Kansas Soaring and Electric Club - Original Message - From: Eddie Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Wetting Carbon Tow At 06:51 AM 9/7/05, you wrote: Eddie, I asked Mike Lachowski how they were getting their molded models so light. He did a very in depth write up for me about how he is building them starting with the method of wetting out the tow. Please see below: D Thanks guys, It might be helpful to describe what I had intended to do to make the spars for the model. The wing is foam cored that has been routed out to insert the spar. The spar is going to be pre-made and then inserted into the slot in the core. The spar is tapered from 17mm wide at the root to 8mm at the tip. I am going to make spar caps in a jig that I've constructed and then assemble them with the joiner box and shear webbing in another jig. This will ensure that the depth of the spar is correct to fit the wing. I was intending to make the spar caps with various lengths of tow so that the cap thickness also tapers to the tip. To try to get the tows as straight as possible in the spar cap I intend to use a steel roller to roll the tows into the jig all in one direction after they are laid into the jig. I was intending to wet out the carbon tows with a roller system that will hopefully wet the carbon and leave the carbon both straight and with the correct amount of resin in it. When the cap is all laid up I was going to use peel ply and vacuum bag it in the jig to get any excess resin out of it. It is this roller system that I was trying to find on the net. This is for the Majali model that the Club group is constructing and because we have to make a total of 22 spars we need to have a system of building the spars that will ensure some consistency in size and strength. I would appreciate any comments on both the construction method proposed and any ideas of how to make a carbon tow wetting system. I still can't find the photo that I saw on the net. Eddie the Eagle in sunny South Australia RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] One of our own, underwater in New Orleans
At least that damned subdivision that displaced our flying field in Slidell won't be in the way anymore... then again, that field may not be there anymore either :( Lee Estingoy formerly of New Orleans - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: [RCSE] One of our own, underwater in New Orleans Most of you know Paul Perret, he was recently see at the MidSouth Soaring Champs in Atlanta, but is a past electric soaring Nats Champ and creator of the LASOAR TD ship years back. His place is under water, he managed to get away with a couple of suitcases and family and is hunkered down with his son in Ft Worth area. In the least he could use a plane to fly weekends out your way, and lets keep our wallets ready in case he needs more than that to get his families lives back going. Here's Paul's email address, but don't be sending condolences, the last thing he needs right now is a mail box of well wishes. Let's keep it to the rule of when everything is posted and done, that you have done more than emailed...:-) You can bet he gets the part that we all feel bad for him, and wish him a better future...instead get his butt out for some soaring...and send money if you got it. He's a proud man who's been an excellent provider for his family, so likely not all that interested in 'help', but that's his problem not ours! :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] So if someone out there has a TD ship to spare and some time to take him flying, contact him and let him know. Gordy I'm in Atlantic City NJ and you're not. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR Aerotow Photos
Deal. Can you make our aerotow? BTW - All the pictures of me look like I'm participating in some bizarre Sailplane Stations of the Cross tableau. Lee - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] JR Aerotow Photos OK Lee, you better watch out when I have a camera in hand... (I don't know why, but they asked Jimbo and I to take our hats off while getting photographed, I see no one else got asked to do it that way. It might be some sort of initiation thing or something...) 8-) Thanks to all the JR people that put this disk together, wonderful memories. At 03:25 PM 8/24/2005, Lee Estingoy wrote: JR may wish to implement a dress code for those wearing JR Red; hats should be mandatory. :) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] JR Aerotow Photos
Just got the JR photo collection for this year's aerotow. A great collection that shows many of the pilots and planes. Lots of Miss Kym too. This is another of the nice little touches that the JR people have brought to this event. Well Done! JR may wish to implement a dress code for those wearing JR Red; hats should be mandatory. :) I'd like to remind all that the Kansas City Aerotow is coming up, Friday, September 30 and Sat / Sun the 12 of October. Details are here. www.kcse.us. KCSE Aerotow Hear the Difference Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Estate planning
Yes, very worthwhile. Very off topic. Perhaps a bit more valuable than others... Our RC stuff is very valuable to us personally, and it may have cost us a few tens of thousands. Bigger issues to worry about are the property, business, accounts, and equities that we may have acquired over the lifetime. Congress is still screwing around with the estate tax, so it's hard to say for sure what the picture looks like. Right now it's not really an issue if you have total assets of $1.5 million per person, or if married $1.5 million x 2 = 3 million. No federal taxes. That's a lot, but many have attained that and more. I'm not sure if Harley's contract is a trust, but I would assume it is. Trusts are an accepted means of avoiding the fees associated with probate and can serve to allow better and more efficient management and distribution of the assets. I can't stress enough how simple it is to get some planning and measures put in place. It's also a very smart idea to do the planning as early as possible, preferably before the money is made. Please also consider finding a good tax attorney to help with the planning. No offense, but insurance agents, investment brokers, etc. while probably good intentioned, are specialists in the products that they sell and their solution may be rather heavily weighted in that direction. The self-help books have merit too, but they are generally drafted to scare the hell out of the readers and generally seem to portray lawyers as very evil people. (Some are, but so are some of every profession) Interview several, audition them. Check to see if they are prompt with their written proposals, look for the little things. (Did they spell your wife's name properly). It may cost a few bucks, but the amount of BS and $$ it will save from the Federal Dumpster will be very worthwhile. In the end, you will likely find one that you are comfortable with. While we are on this tangent. Those of you with businesses would also do well to consider tax planning at the earliest. It is much easier to generate wealth outside your estate than it is to get it out of your estate after it's made. How many have purchased a building in the name of the corporation? Don't want to do that either... OK, enough. Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS Lawyer with a Master's Degree in Taxation... No flame necessary, let's keep this civil. Besides, who do you hate more, lawyers or the IRS? :) - Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring-airage.com Soaring@airage.com; Loren Blinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Estate planning This is a very worthwhile thread. I'll be interested in what's said on the subject. As to me, the matter has been given considerable thought. Before retiring 20 years ago, I had a 40 year career in the life insurance business. Much of the training was estate planning related. I also have a personal attorney who has been very helpful in accomplishing what I have in mind. Getting to the modeling stuff, I have an understanding with relatives named in my will. They don't have a clue about its worth, know what much of it's for (except common tools), or who might be a prospect for buying any of it. The understanding consists of having a trusted modeling friend haul off what they can't use, keep what he wants as a reward for the friendship long provided and offer what can't use over the RCSE or otherwise. I don't care what comes of it, other than wanting it in good hands who can use it. The idea of it being offered up at a yard sale is nauseating. I leave it to sthe friend to decide what the net amount to hand over would be, with no accounting required. I figure whatever that amounts to would be more than woefully uniformed relatives could possibly get trying to handle disposition of the stuff. My heirs otherwise come into piles of loot, mostly passing by contract outside of a will, and what might come out of the modeling stuff is quite incidental. I buy it for my use and pleasure without thought about what might ultimately become of it. It's a simple plan, but having no spouse, no debts or unpaid taxes that would prompt creditors or taxing entities to look for probate protection under the will and with Durable Power of Attorney in the hands of relatives named in the will, the will can just be filed for public record in case anyone wants to know if they were named in it. I leave $1 to several named people who may have notions they have something coming. - Original Message - From: Loren Blinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring-airage.com Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: [RCSE] Estate planning Let's say that tomorrow, due to circumstances beyond your control, you either go to heaven, ascend to a higher reality or become worm-food, RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News
Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly
There's room for all in this little community. It's not a zero sum game. Having won an event at NATS, I kind of support the idea. (OK, it was only electric sailplane.) I do think if there is to be a discussion regarding the future of NATS/AMA flying site usage, there ought to be a motion to consider more than one AMA event site. Muncie is not exactly an appealing destination, while it may be closer to the population center of the US it is by no means close to most. It's a huge trip for anybody on either coast. Consider the Scale Masters event. It travels around the nation. More people get to see it, more get to participate, it doesn't need to own a damned thing. The site itself is OK, but really how much do we need? Surely arrangements can be made with a few sod farmers around the nation to create a symbiotic arrangement for AMA or another modeler's group to have a big open field that can be used for RC events too. The museum at Muncie is nice, but it is surely not enough to make me want to drive any distance out of my way. Perhaps leadership of LSF could comment on this? Openly? Regards, Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Steve Meyer' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'TJB' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly Then as I said originally, why pretend it is a national championship? Call it what it is (your words not mine) or revise it to reflect the current trends. Hey if everyone is happy the way it is, then me too, but apparently there are a lot of people who would like to see a change, either exclude this or include that, or have two days of this not that. There is a trend to utilize the site for less competitive competitions ie, Scale aerotow XC, and Woodcrafters, and the April DARTS aerotow, why not embrace the larger agenda, which is to get more people to the NATS, and the National flying site. As I also said, the diehards who think hard edge competition is the only way to have fun are increasingly in the minority. Think about it, how many competitors attend the soaring NATS? 80? And on any given day there are maybe 20-40 pilots flying at a huge flying site at any one time. How many R/C non competitive types exist? hundreds? Thousands? The math does not support the current site usage, if the point is to get more people to Muncie, then you will most likely see more less competitive events at the Muncie site. The reason is that competitions are labor intensive and time intensive, Semi competitions and true Fun fly events, not saying we need to completely replace competition, which is not my thrust here, but the fact remains that by mixing the two you might get more people getting a chance to fly per event week, draw more attendees, both flying and spectators to the NATS. Vendors and industry exhibitors might be more incline to display and participate because of the increased product placement exposure. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:59 AM To: TJB; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly Don't you think that the pilots that landed out in Unlimited on the 1st day treated the second day as a fun fly? It was for me. (There is no dropout round.) When your not competing in the top 20 it's just a fun fly. If you would take a poll, most pilots would say, I'm here to have fun. Don't understand why a fun fly would gather more people. You either want to fly with other people or you don't. Some pilots are just introverts that fly their own air. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 05:23 PM 8/2/2005, TJB wrote: In the majority of flying clubs in our area, only a very few are seriously interested in competition. Out of 20 club members, last year, I was the only one who showed up for our ESL contest on the second day. Lancaster has the same problem. I would venture to say, if there was a National Fun Fly for a week, there might be a good turn out. It doesn't even have to be on the same schedule as the NATS. T TG 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fax 943-4178 - Original Message - From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'TJB' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Soaring List' soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] One full day of RES -- XC/Scale every year Now there is an idea, basically what I was getting at, contests and fun every year. De-emphasize the contest aspect as the die hards know who they are, and will always show up, we need to attract the rest, the guys who don't always come, who care less about rigorous competition, who will support the National Flying site with their presence if it is relevant to their interests, not the minority of top level competition pilots. JD Endless
Re: [RCSE] Crimping tool for servo plugs
You need the proper tools, like Simon sez. Once you know what the proper tool is, try EBAY. A buddy of mine is an avionics tech., he lent me his crimper for the Molex stuff. Whoa., sooo easy and reliable. A few days later he called to suggest I take a look at EBAY 'cause one of the crimpers was up there. Got it for 1/4 the normal price. Trick is to get the exact tool that you need. You'll never go back to solder and needle nose pliers once you've seen it done right. Good Luck, Lee Estingoy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Crimping tool for servo plugs If you look close, you will see that the pin and spring contact assemblies are slightly different between all the marques. Add to this that the aftermarket arena has their own suppliers and configurations and you start to understand that no single crimping tool will do all..more like do one type. At best what is offered by the aftermarket groups is adequate. Every single spring contact configuration will have it's proper crimping tool out there in the industry. Proper hand crimping tools are relatively expensive, too much for the average modeler ($100 to $1000). The electro-mechanical performance of crimping is superior to soldering IF the proper tool has been used AND it has been set up properly. If you buy the aftermarket assemblies, buy the tool they recommend. Substituting with something else is hit-and-miss, and could generate the same results of a failed solder joint. Quoting George Gillburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Soldering and then crimping with needlenose pliers is getting a bit tiresome. Where can I find a tool that'll do this job? If you are using the connector kits sold by various vendors, you can buy the proper crimping tool at Radio Shack for much less than the connector vendors usually sell the same tool for. After that, its just a matter of crimping and assembling the connectors. Good luck with that. I can do a JR type connector that works well but for the life of me, I can't get an old style Airtronics connector to assemble properly. George Gillburg Bakersfield, California RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: [RCSE] Had a chance to do some range tests with the Freq Checker ..today!'
What happens if you put your tongue in the damned thing? Lee - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: [RCSE] "Had a chance to do some range tests with the Freq Checker ..today!' I was soaring at the Denver sod farm sight and took some time to pace off distances. What I found was 130' with out an external antenna, BUT 50' max if I put my body between it and the TX. That was with the TX on the ground standing straight up right , antenna full extended. I did try shoving things in the extermal antenna port but it didn't affect range one way or the other. I had a walkman head set and plug it in. I undid the antenna in my cell phone and plugged it in also with no added range. So...don't buy one if you expect to scan the heavens, but do buy one if you want to check your own Tx for the channel you last used, or to check in the general pit area. Definitely interested in seeing what it's own external antenna will add! Gordy
[RCSE] Kansas Aerotow Reminder
Hi Guys, Just a reminder that the Kansas Soaring and Electric Club will be hosting an aerotow this Friday-Sunday. Details are on our website, www.kcse.us. Click on the aerotow ad banner for the page with the details. Have about 15 commitments from flyers. Club members will have their sailplanes and a number of tugs ready to go. Baby back ribs for dinner on Friday. Should be a good time. We will be flying about 15 miles west of Overland Park, KS, between Baldwin and Edgerton. Map is on the web site. Any questions, please do not hesitate to call me, Lee Estingoy at 913 488 0277 cell, or 913 685 8291 home. Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS
Re: [RCSE] New Orleans and EAGLE CO flying ??
There's not a whole lot of slope options in New Orleans. There is only one die hard glider flyer in New Orleans. You should be able to amuse yourself very easily with Mardi Gras celebrations which should be getting underway on those dates. Here is a parade schedule. http://www.mardigrasneworleans.com/schedule.html You would likely be interested in those on the traditional UPTOWN route. Check in with the front desk of the hotel to locate a decent place to watch the parades. A nice place to catch the afternoon/daylight parades is along St. Charles Ave. Never underestimate the importance of safety and common sense in New Orleans. Enjoy, Lee Estingoy formerly of New Orleans, actually going there this weekend. Now in Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: Austinswill2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: [RCSE] New Orleans and EAGLE CO flying ?? Ill be in New orleans the 12 - 15th and in EAGLE CO the 15th-20t. I would love to come out and watch any flying that might be happening. Any advice on were to go? Ill probably take a slope plane with me (electron 60) . Thanks a TON! Austin WIlliams RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Ferrite Beads
Identify why they are buzzing. Disconnect the pushrods or clevis from the control surface, do they still buzz? I'm flying 4, 5.33 and 6.7 meter span gliders with up to 13 servos in a plane and there is no buzzing. No beads, nor rings, nor any other kinky stuff. I do use twisted wire, lots of it. I try to also use 5 cell packs on the larger ships. PPM too, not PCM. Even use a plain ol' Hitec superslim RX, no fancy names. We flew that sucker out 50% further than you would ever dream of flying a TD ship this afternoon no problem My guess is that there is something binding... something a half a turn on the pushrod threads might resolve. Spending more isn't always the answer. Good luck, Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: Bob Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ferrite Beads Ben Diss wrote: I've got a couple of wing servos buzzing is a big 4M scale glider. I thought I'd try ferrite beads to see if that might help. I found where Horizon sells them for $9/ea. Is there a cheaper source? -Ben RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Ben why bother? 10 feet out of your hand you don't hear them anymore. My buzz too but, always have. Never a glitch problem. Beads your adding weight for noise reduction, (here come the flames to tell me im tempting faith.) BP RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Prism V tail angle?
Guys, Just came across a great deal on an old Prism V tail. I flew one a while back; it was actually my first TD ship. Sorry if my nostalgia doesn't include monokote Anyway, the instructions from my first one indicate a V angle of 95 degrees. The one in my basement looks to be about that, but it just doesn't look right. Most V tails today seem to be a bit flatter. My trimming skills were non-existent with the first one. Anybody out there remember any set up tips for these things, maybe save me some trial and error? TIA Lee E. Overland Park, KS
Re: [RCSE] Hitec 225 strikes again Lessons/Solutions...
OK, a few questions to direct the conversation a bit. 1. How do we detect defective gear, such as servos, before we trust our expensive toys to them? Would it help to get a servo driver and burn them in by cycling them for some set period ?- this will prove the initial durability of the electronics and motor/brushes, but it won't do much for the gear sets 2. Do we need to evaluate the sanity of tossing such expensive equipment into the air knowing that there are any number of possible weak links in the system, including but not limited to, every solder joint on every wire, servo amp, receiver, battery pack and transmitter every gear in every servo every pin in every servo frequency safety - ie, is some bozo with a parkflyer in the parking lot down the road flying on my frequency? or, is some nationally known TOC guru who definitely knows better flying without a pin. IT ALL HAPPENS. Maybe we need to stop trying to spend more money for more reliability, leading to an ever more expensive hobby, leading to an ever more devastating financial loss when the plane does crash. I recently lost my 1/3 scale Duo Discus in a very public crash in St. Louis. I fluttered the elevator. I was flying too fast. I also had a JR 8411 (that's a $100.00 servo, friends) driving that elevator. The flutter caused the gears to slip in that servo. Seems that there is a history of that servo failing under vibration loads, such as my fluttering elevator or large helis I built that plane from scratch. Total materials cost maybe $200.00. It has become an organ donor; most of the radio gear has been serviced for small expense. Lots of lessons learned for that 200.00 An acceptable loss. Now, what if I had paid 3,500 for that ship? Different story. I believe it would start with my having to look for a new home as my wife would have RC aircraft go in harm's way. Maybe instead of building them more expensively in hopes of achieving some failsafe status, we ought to build them more affordably, such that the INEVITABLE loss of the plane won't be as traumatic. Think of the other advantages. Time to get back to building the second Duo. Hmm, what servos should I use? Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: Jeff Nibler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec 225 strikes again I WAS LUCKY I hope this doesn't turn into a complete Hitec bashing thread. The bottom line is that Hitec servos DO offer a good value for their cost. As Fred put it, they allow exposure to our hobby (exposure... isn't that something we were just discussing??), and save us valuable dollars. I run Hitec servos in all but two of my sailplanes, and have never had an issue with any of them (I don't run 225s though). I chose brands of higher quality and greater reliability to run in my contest planes. To me, this only makes sense. Would you put Costco tires on your Porsche then take it out to the track? Costco carries decent tires, but nothing I'd put on a Porsche. I trust what Jack has said about the 225s; he isn't the kind of guy that would make something like that up and it has also been previously discussed on the exchange. That specific type of failure, and failure rate isn't what I'd call acceptable. One exchange member made the comment that if even one product suffers repeated failures like this, then the entire product line won't be trusted by the masses. I agree with this and hope that Hitec will do something about this specific issue, and quickly. Given their customer service track record (that we ALL have either heard of, or had personal experience with), I would like to think they will. I think the moral of the story is simple: don't use the 225s ;) ESPECIALLY don't use them in a $1000 glass slipper. Jeff Will this rain EVER stop??? I want to fly! _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Knew this was coming
This is a sad turn of events. I can't find the story from today's news, but the Palestinians are using RC toys as bombers. Here's an intro to it, written more than a month ago. http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=239 Bet the Israelis have quickly slapped together some "Dial A Crash" devices. I think that is what happened today, as the plane/bomb blew up in the lab. Lee
[RCSE] Difference between JR 331, 341, 351
Gentlemen, 1. This will be a servo question, so I must begin by commending Gordy on the effort he is putting into Volz support. Can't wait to fly the ship carrying the 6 Volz's that I had serviced. 2. I was digging amongst my collection of servos on the wall and came across a number of JR 331 servos. Two were stripped. The replacement gearset is also indicated for the 341. What's the difference between the 331 and 341? I have 'em, where's a good place to use 'em? Thanks, Lee Estingoy
[RCSE] Multiplex gearsets needed
Gentlemen, Even with the recent Hitec/Multiplex issues notwithstanding, I have been unable to get replacement gear sets for my Multiplex Royal servos from the US distributor of record. I have tried several times over the past months to get them. Anybody able to tell me where to go? :0 Lee Overland Park, KS
[RCSE] Calendar?
Guys, Is there a central web site with a calendar of soaring events for the year? I just went to the LSF site and other than the OVSS events and a big picture of Jim Bacus it isn't much help. Sorry Jim. Seems like this is easy enough to do and would be a big help for planning future contests and fly-ins. I know this is technical writing of sorts, but a little bit of HTML sure goes a long way Thanks, Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS
Re: [RCSE] Source for wire harness mtls
Try Dymond out of Oshkosh. He has pigtails, raw connectors and extensions. The extensions seem to be the better deal, cut 'em in half = 2 pigtails. Much easier to solder the wire sections than to diddle around with the connector pins. They are on the net at http://rc-dymond.com/ Be careful with the solder. If this is for a sailplane or electric it won't matter much, but too much solder will cause solder to flow in the strands past the connector. This will make it brittle and much more likely to fatigue at that point. Absolutely a disaster in waiting for a power plane. I know what you mean about controlling costs, but it seems to work in a negative fashion, sorta like Sam's. Yeah it's x% cheaper but you have to buy 20x to get the price. I like having a stash ready and waiting, so bulk isn't a problem. Good luck, Lee - Original Message - From: Martin Cleary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: [RCSE] Source for wire harness mtls I'm a bit frustrated with the cost of wiring components via the local dealer. I can appreciate the cost involved in a slow moving inventory...but $6 for a 6 inch servo extension... I'd like to make my own wiring harnesses. Is there a good source for bulk connectors and the proper wire? Also, does it require a special crimper or can they be effectively soldered? Thanks Martin btw-I do try to patronize local people for obvious reasons. As self indulgent as this hobby is, I need to make best efforts to control the costs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Contest Participation
Hmm, Here we have a case of the organizers of the status quo, the same status quo that seems to be lacking in attendance, telling me that the problem is mine, not theirs, that I must have a problem So far the responses that I have gotten, aside from the guy who thinks I am unpatriotic, indicate that I am not alone. Yes, you are right. Asher is great guy. So is Rusty. Pete too. There should be an Asher or a Pete or a Paul in every community. I'll bet if you look, wherever there is an active soaring community you will find guys like that, they are the reason for the community. But they are in the minority. There is only so much they can do. We need more like them. The question seems to be, how do we increase attendance at contests? My answer is that we need to make the contests more enjoyable such that guys will be willing to go. If something isn't working, simply repeating it over and over generally won't produce different results. The mere fact that I am speaking honestly about what I see and offering suggestions for change, and I am being told that I must be the one with the problem and that my agenda is simply to complain should be further proof of my point. Yeah that's it, kill the messenger. So, I offer and introduce into evidence, EXHIBIT B! Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lee Estingoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:22 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Contest Participation Well apparently you don't seem to fit in anywhere Lee. I am sorry for that. I have not found any of what you have stated at any aerotow events.(I have been to more than a few) If your agenda is to complain then so be it. I can't help that. You tend to take away what you bring to an event. If you are not willing to bring safe equipment, and follow basic flite line safety, and courtesy procedures, then I gues you might be better off staying home. Public gatherings are not for everyone. No argument that all of model aviation is an increasingly older group, we are basically the baby boomers, with few demographics to support new people entering the hobby in significant numbers to counteract that age curve. I have never been involved with a group (as in sale soaring), where there is a more helpful attitude towards newcomers wanting to learn. I have seen veteran pilots turn over their transmitters to new guy with a $4000.00 sailplane at the other end. There are not two friendlier and nicer guys than Asher Carmicael and Rusty Rood, who run the Pensacola event. Pete George at St. Louis, is one of the most forthright and pro active supporters of aerotowing sailplanes, always willing to support new pilots at events. Your comments tell me the problem is yours. John Derstine -Original Message- From: Lee Estingoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:13 PM To: John Derstine; Daryl Perkins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Contest Participation John, Good ideas, but I don't see that bearing out here. The aerotow events bring out even older and crankier guys. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Paint information. Safety cautions!
Jason, Guys, Thanks for the great info. This is a great resource, I love starting these things, maybe I can start the 7037 has a nasty stall thread again:) Seriously, I checked the MSDS for PPG Concept and it looks like wonderful stuff, ought to mix it in my coffee. Are they hiding the nasties in the MSDSs for the hardener/reducer? TIA, Lee - Original Message - From: Jason Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Paint information. Safety cautions! Some information can be found at: http://www.dhs.cahwnet.gov/ohb/HESIS/iso.htm or http://www.stc-law.com/wcasthma.html To sum it up. Cancer is unproven in humans as of yet. Though there have been court cases. Asthma seems to be the biggest thing. Death seems rather long term :) There are nervous system issues as well, though mainly they revolve around the reducer agent not the paint/isocyanide itself. Jason - Original Message - From: Rick Van Clief [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Paint information. Safety cautions! Interesting stuff here Jason - thanks. Many years ago I was an automotive painter, sometimes using Imron and occasionally a respirator. If they had suits to wear I never heard of them. Maybe that explains why I only made it to structural engineer and not to aeronautical. Have you any idea what long term symptoms may be for unfiltered Imron use? RVC RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Airfoil alignment on a scratchbuilt fuse
Gentlemen, Scratchbuilding a large scale glider. I've gotten to the point of making the wing root fillets. I've got my balsa cut in the shape of the root, complete with the center lines courtesy of Compufoil. My question is simply: Do I align the center line of the airoil as provided by Compufoil with the fore/aft centerline of the fuselage? The obvious concern is that I would like the fuselage to be slightly nose down in most aspects of the gliding flight. The airfoil is Eppler 67at the root. The glider is an SZD-19 Zefir 4. Not a lot of info out there on this ship, but I like the looks. Sorta like an X-1 with some growth issues. Not a lot of complex curves. Info on the full size here - http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dszd31.htm. Info on a polish model here - hope you can read Polish... http://www.piotrp.de/MODELE/zefir4.htm TIA Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS
Re: [RCSE] Mixing Digiital Servos
Dunno the physics behind it, but I have the mother of all servo mixers, and she flies fine. 1 Singing JR 8411 on elevator Digital 8 (EIGHT) Multiplex MCV2 Royals on flaps and ailerons - they don't sing. Digital 1 Multiplex Jumbo on rudder - he doesn't sing either Digital 1 Hitec 705 monster servo on retract analog 1 Hitec 805 monster servo on tow release analog 2 JR 517 analogs on landing gear doors RX is a simple little Hitec 8 slim. Note this is in a 1/3 scale Duo Discus. Fuse is 9 feet long. Wing span is 22+ feet. Lots of servo wire. Long, no really long, wire runs. All wire is twisted, running on a 5 cell pack. Oh yeah, lots of carbon fiber everywhere. I can say without fear of contradiction that these servos do not antagonize one another. They are a happy little family. We flew this thing to a range that may best be described as ABVR (Almost Beyond Visual Range) two weeks ago, and that says a lot. At least 3/4 of a mile out and specked, no range or radio issues. For pics, go here - www.courtforms.com/personal/ I have no doubt that some setups have experienced odd behaviors, but let's please take note of other factors, most notably suspect TX/RX, poor wiring, loose connections at any point in the harness, metal on metal contact in anything near the plane, high or low battery voltage (5 cell jitters?) even wacky RF at the site, that are far more likely than a Hatfields vs. McCoys or Red v. Blue on board the plane. Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS BTW - finally got my hands on some of the Hitec 125 and 5245 servos. The little Hitecs seem really slick. Very tight gearing, smooth and QUIET. Don't seem to have the extreme torque of the WingMaxx, but for 37.00 they are pretty damned nice. Noticeably thinner than the 81s. Equal to or very close to the thickness (thinness) of the Volz. The 5245 is a nice piece of kit as well. 45.00 for a 60 oz, mini. Again really smooth gearing, no slop. It does whine a little under load. Can't speak as to how the gearing will hold out. The older HS85 and 81s with metal gears would pop their little plastic gear pretty quickly. These are supposed to be better With the jump in value of the Euro we may do well to cultivate non-euro based products in this little addiction of ours. Hmm, maybe a TD ship from Mexico - Back to the books. - Original Message - From: Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Mixing Digiital Servos The following information was sent to me by a fellow modeler and this is the first I had heard anything about it. Has anyone experienced any problems of this kind? I personally have only owned one model that mixed digital servos with analog and had absolutely no problems at all, but maybe I was lucky. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. Also, does anyone have George Steiner's email address. I would like to contact him directly about this as well. Pat, I'm flying a Graphite using the following servo combination: Ruddervators - HiTech HS 85 Flaps - HiTech HS 5125 (the 'singing' digitals) :) Ailerons - Dymond Modelsport D-200 Tiperons - Dymond Modelsport D-60 I've only got about 20 flights on the model, but so far have experienced no problems with this combination. Regards, Bob Johnson Fond du Lac, WI RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] New Hitec Wing servos (and Volz Wing Maxx)
Gotta jump in on this one. Last year I flew my brand new 1/3 scale Duo Discus for the first time at the Triple Tree Aerotow, in Greenville SC. Nothing like doing the first flight in front of a crowd. Well this crowd included Peter Goldsmith (I think he even towed me up), who is a muckey muck with Horizon. They are the good people who bring JR products to us. Very quickly after release from the tug, I figured something was really wrong with the plane. I had vague control. I managed to get it back along a path over the runway with the hope of landing out at the top end of the sloping runway. As it went by at about 40 feet over our heads we could all see the elevator waggling to beat the band. That was a very pricey JR 8411 servo in there. I eventually got it down in a rather abrupt manner near the crest of the sloping runway. Abrupt is a kind description for the belly flop that occurred. Upon arrival at the site, I had already decided that the JR product was my point of failure and I was letting it be known to all. Once I got to the plane, the gears in that servo were clearly goners. As I carried the plane back along the line I really made an ass of myself by shouting at Peter to come figure out what had failed. He was waaay cool. He asked, Did you range check this before you flew it? No, was about the best I could do. Why don't we check that out was Peter's suggestion. I only got about 10 paces away from the ship with my transmitter before the plane started that sickly jittering. I had simply grabbed a RX off the workbench and stuck it in the plane in my haste to finish the project. I really to this day can't say if it was on the workbench because it had been removed for cause from it's prior home. Even after my behavior, Peter was incredibly kind to replace the stripped 8411 so that I could fly again the next day. I can't say enough about Peter's representation of his product. Same applies to the people at Hitec to whom I have returned lots of fried out, stripped, or otherwise mangled gear and from whom I get repaired/replaced items in no time. No questions asked. After a crash, I am always disappointed. It is very easy to blame the products that seem to have gotten in the way. But most of the time, the company will be very professional and back their product, whether or not it was at fault. JR and Hitec certainly do. Now those blue things are another story. Cottage industry stuff with a cottage industry support system (in the past, don't know what they have set up today) is an invitation to disappointment. Yeah, they sent me the shafts after mine failed. Would have been really nice to have gotten the word before I committed a $750 plane to them. I seem to be saying this a lot lately, but here goes again. The truth may often be stranger than fiction, but it will never hurt your reputation like a cover up. If quality is the true mantra of the blue guys, like their web site and evangelists say it is, why don't they indicate a recall or safety directive on these servos? Will my servos be swapped out for new if I send them back? Or will I be told that the problems just couldn't be, like I was told, in person, when I presented the problem to the factory rep? I feel better now. :) Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Adam Kenneth Till' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Ben Diss' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'plenard' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'RCSE' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] New Hitec Wing servos (and Volz Wing Maxx) Hello Everyone, May I start by thanking Adam Till for his subsequent messages explaining in more detail the reported failure of the 5125. We at Hitec (and I suspect the whole soaring community) will be watching for any failure trend that develops concerning this product. As for the 5125 in question, can we have sent back to our service department for evaluation? I will see that a new one is forwarded to the owner. We do track all the failure points of every returned product, so we can spot any chronic flaws. Glen Merritt Marketing Director Hitec USA Phone # 858-748-6948 x310 Fax # 858-748-1767 -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:12 AM To: Adam Kenneth Till Cc: Glen; 'Ben Diss'; 'plenard'; 'RCSE' Subject: Re: [RCSE] New Hitec Wing servos (and Volz Wing Maxx) HITEC Indeed a 5125 did start to melt the servo cover this last weekend, but to say that the servo in question caused the crash would be erroneous and misleading. In fact, a crash had occurred that caused enough of a bind on this particular servo's control surface to cause it to overheat. Given the digital electronics and associated update-rate, and low (thermal) mass of the servo itself, and the fact it was running on two 5-cell packs (redundancy), it's no wonder it complained (loudly). Under normal
[RCSE] Artemis KC for sale
Time to sell my Artemis KC White with blue points. Blue bottom. Kevlar/Carbon fuse, w. V tail. 2 Multiplex digital MCV2 on flaps, 2 Volz Wing Maxx on ailerons, 2 Airtronics 9141s for the tail. Plane has never been crashed. Fuse failed in a bad landing, cracked in half under the wing. I have repaired this with carbon fabric and carbon fabric sheet. The repair is basically invisible. Plane has been launched hard since repairs and all is well. Fuse is better than new for strength purposes. No scratches or dents on wing. I simply have too many of these things. Price = $800 Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS
Re: [RCSE] Wing to fuselage connection.
Erik, I have used the Multiplex wing snaps on several of my recent projects. This inlcudes a 1/3 Duo Discus, a 1/3 scale Salto, and a tug based on a 1/3 Salto. These are very cheap, hold well and will release in event of something catastrophic. They are basically little nylon connectors, one part in the fuse, the other in the root. Doesn't get any simpler. No bolts, no nuts Pictures of the ships are here - www.courtforms.com/personal Good luck, Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: ewikran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:25 AM Subject: [RCSE] Wing to fuselage connection. I am working on a 1/3.5 scale DG600 and need some advise on wing bolts and connection to the fuselage. I am having trouble deciding on the wing bolt. Should I choose a circular or rectangular bolt? And what materials is best suitable, steel or carbon (as the F3x type planes use). Anyone have any pros - cons they would like to share? I have also the option of making the wing bolt floating trough the fuse or to make it firm into a tube trough the fuse. I am most familiar with the firm connection from the F3x planes, but I know many scale ships use the floating bolt, and also many full-scale planes. What are the pros and cons? I hope that a discussion on this topic can help me decide upon the arrangement so I can go on building. - Regards Erik Wikran Tromso, Norway --- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Kansas City contacts needed
Hi Guys, Leaving the swamps of New Orleans for the suburbs of Johnson County. I'd appreciate any info regarding any fellow travelers in the area. I fly TD, Stupid Scale Sailplanes (very large), electric competition and fun stuff and 35% aerobatic planes. TIA Lee Estingoy New Orleans / Overland Park RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] My most popular moldie?
Schpot-Dorker not withstanding, the Europeans sure aren't very good at coming up with cool names...unless you don't mind flying a plane named after a tree, or a fish. No, those are just the ones sold by NSP - Sal, what the hell is a FLOH? In the me-too vein that we have going here, I have an El Camino, AKA Eraser, from Tom Copp/ICARE. Made by the same bunch that make the Artemis/Heras. Have an Artemis too. Beatiful work, and they fly great. The El Camino is not that much more $$ than a standard NSP carbon bagged job, especially when you consider it is truly ARF. I have tried to buy my way onto the podium. I offer the above as exhibits A and B. They definitely make me look a lot better than I would otherwise look, but they don't get you to the medal rounds. That is simply experience and practice with your contest ship. This sport is a Pas De Deux friends, so get up and dance with the girl you've already brought to the prom! OK, so the El Camino got me a 1st and a 2nd Sportsman class at the 2000 Mid South . :) Lee Estingoy New Orleans Tom Watson wrote: Atrium...? Are you trying to say "Artemis"? - Original Message - From: Karlton Spindle To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] My most popular moldie? Atriums (sp?) looked good too.. too bad some JERK THIEF broke Jack's. The other one I saw at the event also looked great. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Antares Sailplane; Darn You SEM
Guys, I've been looking for an answer to this problem for a while as well. I am presently flying a 5 meter Duo Discus planformed electric on 16 cells. Climbs well, weighs about 10 pounds. I'm getting about 1000 watts out of the Aveox system. That's all you can safely pull for any period of time before melting things. I don't think Aveox has any solutions for more wattage over a long period. You would need at least a 60 second motor run to get to a decent height. I have called EMS. He wasn't willing to sell it separately, maybe in early 2001. He wouldn't define the motor he was using. Astro has some motors that would seem to handle a bit more wattage for a longer period, based on gearing/belting. I have spent a lot of time with Tom Hunt trying to come up with a belt solution for this. He advises against going with a large system/prop due to gyroscopic issues amongst others. From what I can tell, you should be able to build and fly a large sailplane, say under 12 pounds, with a span of under 200 inches just fine with electrics. Going larger will get expensive. Typical Euro scale kits are already a bit heavy, so Electrics guys usually figure the wattage needed by multiplying weight times watts desired. 100 per lb. for aerobatic. 40-50 per pound will let you stagger into the air, but that would be difficult to ROG with and it would take a long time to climb. You would really want nothing less than 70 to 90 watts to make it impressive. Figure the big scale jobs weigh 25-35 pounds. You can gang astro motors on a belt system and with a big enough controller to get this sort of power. Don't try it with the Aveox. You can't run multiple Aveox controllers off the same battery pack, and you wouldn't want to run them seperately as you will invariably have one out of "synch" with the other. This will lead to a melted motor from overamping it. I came across a cool servo controller. Allows you to program up to 8 discrete steps each for 4 servos operated off one radio channel. I don't have the link here, but it would serve well to operate the mechanisms needed for the up and go type mast off of the throttle stick, much like the Antares does. I can get it for anyone that needed it. The device is about $65, and the programmer device is about the same. Enough of my ranting. I would encourage anyone interested to pursue this, if you find a reliable method to do so, please let me know! Lee Estingoy New Orleans - Original Message - From: "John Derstine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Adam Till" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Antares Sailplane; Darn You SEM EMS in Germany markets 1/5 to 1/3 size up and go sailplane electric system. The engineering is done for such a system. I don't know if he will sell it separatly from his plane packages or not. See the scale soaring page for a link to EMS on the index page, and a hot link to the Antares site. John Derstine E-mail; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scale Soaring: http://www.Geocities.com/~scalesoar -Original Message- From: Adam Till [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Antares Sailplane; Darn You SEM 1450"^2 of wing area 215" span 27.2:1 aspect ratio. 21.5" scale prop diameter (max) Has anyone done anything like this that might be able to give me some pointers? Or, failing that, could someone disprove the whole concept and save me thinking about it anymore... Thanks as always, Adam Till _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Kevlar fabric for sale - CHEAP
Deal of the month. 5 oz kevlar - 39" inches (meter) wide. I came across a close out roll. Here's how I'm going to price it out. I don't want to deal with 1/2 yards, 2/5 yards etc. (you know who you are). $12.00 per yard for 3 yards minimum $11.00 per yard for 5 yards minimum. $10.00 per yard for 10 yards or more. If you want a lot (I've got a load!) and you want special pricing, e-mail and we can work something out. Shipping charges will be purchaser's responsibility. I can be reached via e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone - home 504 899 8084 office 504 734-0006
