Re: [talk-ph] Possible collaboration with OSM and DOH to locate health facilities
Hi Steeve, We have some interesting issues here... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Steeve Ebener steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org wrote: Dear Maning, Thank you very much for your email to the group and all the great work you guys are doing. Few complement of information from our side: - we need to standardize the way location are collected either using GPS devices or Google Earth/map. The attached form is therefore proposed for your review/feedback/comments. - In order to avoid duplication of work, the DOH would provide OSM with the list of facilities (including DOH codes) for which a coordinate is missing If OSM contributors will help locating health facilities by adding data to the OSM database, then our source will either be any of the following: 1. GPS device (standalone like Garmin or TomTom, or a mobile app like on Android or iOS) 2. By locating on Bing Maps. We cannot use Google Maps or Google Earth to add data to the OSM database, but we have permission from Microsoft to use Bing Maps aerial imagery to add data ONLY to the OSM database. Other people are free to obtain the same data but via OSM's database license. 3. By extrapolating from the existing OSM data. For example, given an address of a facility, it may be possible to locate the facility just by interpreting the address. - Regarding the data sharing issue. It is now clear that we will have to keep OSM and DOH geo-location DB separated which means that: - it will unfortunately not be possible to integrate DOH points in OSM data This I find interesting. According to the Intellectual property code of the Philippines (R.A. 8293), No copyright shall subsist in any work of the Government of the Philippines. If the DOH data has been collected by DOH employees in the course of their official duties, then there is no copyright. The non-profit clause has been argued to be a separate right from copyright. If that is the case, then it *may be* should be possible to include the pure DOH data into OSM. - OSM collected points will be integrated into DOH DB with a clear mention of the source. I of course can't promise this will happen for sure, but I will personally work on getting an official acknowledgement from the DOH regarding OSM contribution to this work. In addition to that, the first discussion I had seems to indicate that it will be possible for OSM to mention their contribution to filling the gaps in DOH's DB. Please bare with me on this as there is still some way to go but I will keep pushing. Have you read the ODbL, which is the open license under which OSM data is licensed? Certainly, attribution to the OSM contributors is required, but the share-alike property also needs to be followed. Regards, Eugene Looking forward hearing from the group on your email and the above (I have registered to the mailing list) and the possibility to work together on this. Best regards, Steeve Steeve Ebener, Ph.D. CEO Gaia GeoSystems P.O. Box 795 – P.C. 114, Muscat - Oman cell: +968 952 57 526 email: steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org web: www.gaia-geosystems.org Twitter: @GaiaGeosystems LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener One Planet, One System Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Thank you -Original Message- From: maning sambale [mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: vendredi 1 février 2013 15:03 To: osm-ph; Steeve Ebener; Mark Anthonie Bello Subject: Possible collaboration with OSM and DOH to locate health facilities Dear everyone, I had a meeting with Department of Health (DOH) IMS division on the possibility of collaborating with the OSM-PH community. No clear plans yet on the collaboration but I would like to put forward the discussions in this list. = Overview = Basically, DOH intends to improve their database for the location of health facilities in the country. They will use the data on several information management of the Department. At the moment, they have several database developed in various projects. Each db uses a different system but one thing they lack is a uniform geographic identifier. An example of the db is available in the Unified Health Management Information System portal [0]. This online portal lists ~21,000 health facilities all over the country. At the moment they were able to geocode ~4,000 locations [2] (~20%). = What they need from OSM = A couple of ideas that were discussed are: - Verify the location of the 4,000 geocoded facilities in the existing OSM data. Right now, there isn't any clear evaluation on the accuracy of the locations (a process of Q/A is now being developed). Some facilities are actually in Sulu Sea! Check out the southern part of Negros island [2]. - Fill in the gaps. the IMS division have limited funds to individually verify and take GPS readings of each facility. OSM data can possibly fill in the gaps. Using the Overpass turbo [3], I was
[OSM-talk-be] FOSDEM
Hi, For your information some mappers, belgian and french, were presents at FOSDEM to present OSM in a stand. We had good contacts with people at FOSDEM. This was a nice week-end ! A lot of contacts and meetings. We were thinking that some question were very accurate. The Jo's presence was helpful for those questions. We should keep that in mind for next year. Regards, Julien Fastré ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] FOSDEM
Hi, I was, as usual, also planning to visit FOSDEM but decided to go to the OSM London Hack Weekend ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_Hack_Weekend_Feb_2013) but I will be able to meet you all in Lier again. Hopefully a lot of you will join because I still haven't met a lot of the mappers on this list! My compliments to the organizers of the stand, maybe next year I will be able to join! Regards, Ben On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Peter Leemans pe...@bist2.be wrote: Hi, I payed a little visit a couple of times to the stand. First estimates are there where between 5 and 7000 visitors there on saturday. So the project should have had 'some' exposure :). It was nice to have you guys at Fosdem. Also want to say sorry to Jo. He wanted to show me some stuff he had done, but unfortunatly I didn't have the time. Hopefully I can find some time to join in Lier. Regards, Peter 'toi' Leemans On 04-02-13 09:49, Julien Fastré wrote: Hi, For your information some mappers, belgian and french, were presents at FOSDEM to present OSM in a stand. We had good contacts with people at FOSDEM. This was a nice week-end ! A lot of contacts and meetings. We were thinking that some question were very accurate. The Jo's presence was helpful for those questions. We should keep that in mind for next year. Regards, Julien Fastré __**_ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-behttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be __**_ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-behttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] FOSDEM
No worries Peter. I'm planning to show it in Lier. There is so much going on at FOSDEM, one has to find a way to divide and conquer :-) Ben, I hope the Hack weekend was productive! The first week of July there will be another event around free software and free content. The RMLL comes to Brussels this time! Usually it's somewhere in France and last year it was in Switzerland. Too far away for me. But now that it's nearby we should make sure we represent OSM there. They would like we do a mapping party on the day for 'le grand public'. I think we can do 1 or 2 presentations (introductory and more advanced) and I think it's important we'll have a stand there as well. Maybe with 3 to 5 computers, so people can get some 'hands-on' experience. And we need 'goodies', of course: T-shirts, but also anoraks/rain coats, caps, high-viz vests. Cups, pens (muts/bonnet maybe for the die hard mappers...) ? Openstreetmap.fr is working on that, but I'm not entirely sure if they will be with .fr or with .org then. The first week of August there is the festival of Esperanza in Floreffe, where OSM also has a presence, thanks to Pierre Willot. Jo 2013/2/4 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com Hi, I was, as usual, also planning to visit FOSDEM but decided to go to the OSM London Hack Weekend ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_Hack_Weekend_Feb_2013) but I will be able to meet you all in Lier again. Hopefully a lot of you will join because I still haven't met a lot of the mappers on this list! My compliments to the organizers of the stand, maybe next year I will be able to join! Regards, Ben On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Peter Leemans pe...@bist2.be wrote: Hi, I payed a little visit a couple of times to the stand. First estimates are there where between 5 and 7000 visitors there on saturday. So the project should have had 'some' exposure :). It was nice to have you guys at Fosdem. Also want to say sorry to Jo. He wanted to show me some stuff he had done, but unfortunatly I didn't have the time. Hopefully I can find some time to join in Lier. Regards, Peter 'toi' Leemans On 04-02-13 09:49, Julien Fastré wrote: Hi, For your information some mappers, belgian and french, were presents at FOSDEM to present OSM in a stand. We had good contacts with people at FOSDEM. This was a nice week-end ! A lot of contacts and meetings. We were thinking that some question were very accurate. The Jo's presence was helpful for those questions. We should keep that in mind for next year. Regards, Julien Fastré __**_ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-behttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be __**_ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-behttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Belgian cadastre
Hi, So, the French people use data from their cadastre to build OSM. I have received from a notary an official map from the Belgian cadastre. Scan of a photocopy of a photocopy of... that's the technology. It is wrong. At first sight, there's an angle in one of the field sides that is straight on land and on a geometer's map. Further more, I tried every trapezoidal warp I could and I was unable to make a fit overlay to the PICC map (every time I adjusted one side, the other one went wrong). Anyone with a cadastre experience? Why don't they send people geodesic coordinates or a GPX trace of the fields? Cheers, André. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] How_to_map_a page in Dutch/French
I was wondering whether someone would be interested to set up a How_to_map_a-page in Dutch or French. I consult the German regularly for things I tag frequently. I would be nice to have one in Dutch. see e.g. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_to_map_a http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:How_to_map_a Those pages contain simple things such as benches (probably because not everybody knows the English word), but also more complex things such as life-rings, dogschools or manages for which one have to use a combination of tags and which are more tagged by convention than by fixed rules. Before you say Good idea, do it yourself :-), Unfortunately I have no time to do this. I still have traces with data from end of 2011 ! that I have to process and input into OSM. So maybe someone is looking for a nice little project but does not have data to put into OSM ??? :-) Marc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
On 02/03/2013 10:51 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: I don't know exactly what git log you mean. OSM is a whole universe of software; a part of that is visible on https://github.com/openstreetmap/. The bit that is on https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website is but a tiny fragment of it. The number of Top Ten Tasks completed would only be suitable if you had something to compare it to (in 2011 we managed to close 4 tasks but not a single one in 2012 or so). I meant the OSM platform aka the main website aka API aka Rails Port and related services. But this would start whole another discussion is the main website relevant etc. Of course it is and we should have a lot of features there because people (and the media for example) are judging the whole project by it - but let's not discuss this further in this thread... I am glad that this thread has happened. A lot of people say it's just flamewars and it breaks the community. I think such threads serve a purpose and it's good to have them to exchange viewpoints. It's a new week, I am prepared to agree that we maybe disagree in some points and continue working on OSM. Just a last word - I am not proclaiming doom. To the contrary - I am full of energy and ideas but at the same time I am a bit afraid that if this energy does not lead anywhere then I will be burnt out in this project because of the frustration that I cannot change anything. Let's hope that we can find a way to work together in the coming months. Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Takedown notices
OK - there is an 'official procedure' for dealing with copyright infringement documented on http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure through which even 'Cease and Desist' should be handled? It is normal practice nowadays to follow the 'Digital Millennium Copyright Act' rules for all copyright and trademark disputes relating to the internet. What seems to be missing however is a documented procedure for handling those requests? With regards the recent CD notice, a statement has been made that 'we may not be able to publish the content of the document', but if the procedure simply said that these documents will be published as part of the process - as they should be - then there is not a problem. While not directly applicable, the Freedom of information act in the UK may well come into play if local authorities start using the data more formally. This is my own area of interest, and I am providing systems to locations that are covered by the act. The OSMF needs to have clear internal policies in place to cover that situation. What I would suggest is required is a section of the http://www.osmfoundation.org website that provides access to all of this information. Since the OSM project is open, it would make sense that in addition to publishing the material, the 'wiki' process was used to allow comments to be added to a request, but that would be determined by the documented procedure. United Kingdom law takes precedent over anything that the OSMF does ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
Paweł Paprota wrote: Just a last word - I am not proclaiming doom. To the contrary - I am full of energy and ideas but at the same time I am a bit afraid that if this energy does not lead anywhere then I will be burnt out in this project because of the frustration that I cannot change anything. One humble suggestion born out of bitter experience: do one thing and do it well. OSM has no shortage of barrack-room lawyers and the project will survive quite well without any more. It could possibly (whisper it) even cope with a few less. But OSM does have a shortage of smart people working on awesome code. The OWL stuff is terrific and it'll make a really big difference to the project when it's done. Don't let the dramas of talk@ distract you. They rarely achieve anything. Or in other words: be a Paweł Paprota, not a Gert Gremmen. :) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Pawe-s-q-what-can-be-done-tp5747772p5747987.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Takedown notices
Am 04.02.2013 10:21, schrieb Lester Caine: OK - there is an 'official procedure' for dealing with copyright infringement documented on http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure through which even 'Cease and Desist' should be handled? It is normal practice nowadays to follow the 'Digital Millennium Copyright Act' rules for all copyright and trademark disputes relating to the internet. The DCMA takedown process has nothing to do with trademark, or patent disputes. It concerns itself solely with copyright issues (and that in the US of A). Following the procedure provides us a safe harbour against being sued in the US (for contributory infringement and damages). This protection comes with the price of us simply complying with valid (in formal terms) requests without making a determination if the material in question is actually infringing the rights of whoever made the takedown request. The basic procedure is given by the law and for example is documented on the http://www.chillingeffects.org/ site (which unluckily seems to be experiencing a lot problems recently). I doubt that it would be wise or legally possible to publish the full text of any takedown requests we have received, and if it is just for UK data protection regulations. I do think it would be a good idea to publish something along the lines of a transparency report on a quarterly or similar base, however (DWG pls correct me) I don't believe that outside of internal disputes there have been any noticeable number of takedown or similar requests from third parties over the life of the project to date so it is not going to make very interesting reading My personal opinion only naturally. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Takedown notices
Simon Poole wrote: Am 04.02.2013 10:21, schrieb Lester Caine: OK - there is an 'official procedure' for dealing with copyright infringement documented on http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure through which even 'Cease and Desist' should be handled? It is normal practice nowadays to follow the 'Digital Millennium Copyright Act' rules for all copyright and trademark disputes relating to the internet. The DCMA takedown process has nothing to do with trademark, or patent disputes. It concerns itself solely with copyright issues (and that in the US of A). Following the procedure provides us a safe harbour against being sued in the US (for contributory infringement and damages). This protection comes with the price of us simply complying with valid (in formal terms) requests without making a determination if the material in question is actually infringing the rights of whoever made the takedown request. The basic procedure is given by the law and for example is documented on the http://www.chillingeffects.org/ site (which unluckily seems to be experiencing a lot problems recently). I doubt that it would be wise or legally possible to publish the full text of any takedown requests we have received, and if it is just for UK data protection regulations. I do think it would be a good idea to publish something along the lines of a transparency report on a quarterly or similar base, however (DWG pls correct me) I don't believe that outside of internal disputes there have been any noticeable number of takedown or similar requests from third parties over the life of the project to date so it is not going to make very interesting reading My personal opinion only naturally. Simon ... READ the Takedown procedure ... The reference to DMCA is taken 'In addition' to dealing with copyright infringements, and in the UK we treat trademark problems in the same way as copyright? What is actually wrong is that the on-line form is structured for the DMCA, but the procedure refers to all takedown requests? As it should ... The DMCA procedure does provide a consistent way of handling any request? What is missing is a statement that the information WILL be published as part of the process of handling the complaint? But I think my main thought here is that WE need to know what we are and are not allowed to use, and only the original document would document that? Which saves someone having to 'rewrite' the information and possibly misinterpret it ;) In other words there is no logical reason for not publishing the information, and the sender should expect that to be the case in all CD cases? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] Wiki documentation on GPS devices - please help answer some questions
Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com writes: I would also add that the section on PDOP is rather technical for a newbie. Perhaps this could be moved to a separate wiki page and the answer to the question changed to be more general. If your GPS has a display then this is more likely to be given as a distance. I must It's true that PDOP is perhaps too complicated, but there's good advice lurking: turn on your receiver and let it be still for several minutes with a good sky view before starting to record. In the woods, one can go for quite a long time and not acquire some satellites, and with only 4 up high get atrociius accuracy. By letting the ephemeris for all get loaded before hiking, the track accuracy is much better. For receivers without a satellite status page, the 'accuracy' number is useful. If one notices that you occasionally see a claim of '4 m', then when it says '21 m' you know you are in bad shape, and should wait. Basically, stay still with good sky view until that number gets to the lowest value you typically see. pgpJAnc9hxzB8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John I think some EU countries (and Switzerland) also have this 5 years rule. But I'm not a professional lawyer. If anybody is, then I suggest that he could offer his services to the OSMF as a volunteer (e.g. for a 2nd opinion). Yours, Stefan 2013/2/4 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Having read some more on this issue, I think the board has done the right thing. Apologies to anyone offended. Christopher Woods (IWD) writes: On 02/02/2013 21:01, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: This discussion is way out of hand. You guys screaming for publishing the C+D, didn't you see the answer from SimonPoole? They have asked lawyers about advise in publishing it, as well as releasing more information about it. It is not a sign of weak leadership to ask for legal advise in a case that can be as hairy as trademark and copyright issues. I'm extremely interested to see what in the notice specifies that the TM holder believes that they can pursue and control usage when mentioned in proximity of Google services. Again, without access to the CD, is that in spite of having allowed generic usage of geocode for the last 12 years since their trademark was granted, they now claim that geocode in the context of a Google geocoding URL is a trademark infringement. As Chris says, risible. Deleting our links to the Google URL is the correct thing to do, because there is no way to link to that service without infringing their trademark (claim). My offer to create a non-infringing gateway stands. Redacting or editing directly as a result of simply receiving a CD is not an ideal first step. Does OSM consider itself to be in breach of something discussed in the CD or that it has actually done something wrong? I unequivocally believe the opposite to be true - and that Geocode Inc. is misrepresenting the situation. The problem is that it's not OSM infringing the trademark. It's *Google*. If they have, indeed, allowed the generic use of the term geocode for 12 years without challenging it, then I believe that, under US law, the term is now legally classed as generic, and can be used by anyone. According to http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Trademark_infringement, while there is no Federal law explicitly stating a statute of limitations, one Federal court decided that such cases were subject to the general five-year limit for non-capital offenses under Title 18 of the US Code. Usually, the Federal courts follow the precedents set by the most similar state case. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Well, I should note that I am not a lawyer, either. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
The 2011/2012 board has actually done some steps in that direction, with Mikel reaching out to a number of professional strategic consultants and getting a broad idea of what (if anything) they could possibly do for OSM(F). The results were mixed and my reading (I wasn't on the board at that time) was largely that with things as they are, we're not ready for such a step yet. If Mikel himself would like to say a few bits about this? Yes, at the Board's request, I held conversations with several folks about strategic planning and OSMF. That included the group that coordinated HOT's strategic planning (http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2012-05-14_update_from_hots_strategic_planning_meeting), and a few folks involved in Wikimedia's strategic planning. Everyone was quite interested in our issues and dynamics; an open, globally distributed community is a challenge to any kind of organizational planning, an interesting one. Something like the Wikimedia process might be useful, eventually. But OSMF is not nearly as developed as Wikimedia was when they started this; in other words, OSMF is not yet ready, and recommendation was to find our way through top issues, develop things a bit more ourselves, then reassess. There is a lot we can clearly be working on. Get Management Team up and running; update the Articles of Association; draw up Terms of Reference and Codes of Conduct for those handling OSMF assets; develop Local Chapters. This is a lot of documenting work, the kind of not super exciting but super necessary work Richard was talking about within the SWG. And reviving SWG might be a good way to address some of this. So I agree with Frederik somewhat here. We're not ready for full on strategic planning, but there are very useful and clear things to do right now. The real issue remains how to build momentum, drive, interest, excitement, cooperation, in this sort of work. There's are bubbles of interest in working this out, and then some tough discussion comes up which seems to derail it. It's not clear who's leading the charge. I think it will take a few dedicated folks, with the blessing of the Board, with open communication, but a focus on timely results. If 1-3 folks took the reins, and set the pace, then the rest of us could find places to constructively contribute to a more stable organization. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done? Hi, On 03.02.2013 23:59, Clifford Snow wrote: I want to make sure we are clear. Are you signaling your belief that we need some strategic planning? I'm hesitant to say yes because your sentence can mean a lot of different things to different people. In the worst case, we need some strategic planning could be read as the OSMF should make plans for where OSM should be in ten years and the project should then follow. This is certainly not a view that I would subscribe to. I tend to avoid the word strategic planning because it always sounds so gloriously important (and attracts those who like that). Used by the wrong people, the existence of strategic plans for OSM would make every mapper but a pawn in some grand scheme thought out by the glamourous architects without whom the project would be nothing. Nothing could be further from the truth and we must avoid to give people such an idea. But of course it cannot hurt to think about the future together, try and predict the problems we might be facing in five years, and make plans to be prepared - rather than waiting for the problem to suddenly appear ;) The 2011/2012 board has actually done some steps in that direction, with Mikel reaching out to a number of professional strategic consultants and getting a broad idea of what (if anything) they could possibly do for OSM(F). The results were mixed and my reading (I wasn't on the board at that time) was largely that with things as they are, we're not ready for such a step yet. If Mikel himself would like to say a few bits about this? Having a strategy is good but trying to find one can tie up a lot of resources and personally I'm not sure if starting a committee is the right thing. I think that OSMF should first get their house in order (I mentioned several things reflected in the board minutes, like Management Team, Articles of Association etc.) and then hopefully we are in a position where the board of directors can spend more time thinking about strategic things, and then, much, much further down the line, maybe we'll even be in a position to fork out millions for a strategy consultant like Wikimedia did ;) This is all baby steps right now and IMHO not something that will yield visible results in Pawel's desired half-year time frame.
Re: [OSM-talk] Takedown notices
From: Simon Poole [mailto:si...@poole.ch] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Takedown notices I doubt that it would be wise or legally possible to publish the full text of any takedown requests we have received, and if it is just for UK data protection regulations. I do think it would be a good idea to publish something along the lines of a transparency report on a quarterly or similar base, however (DWG pls correct me) I don't believe that outside of internal disputes there have been any noticeable number of takedown or similar requests from third parties over the life of the project to date so it is not going to make very interesting reading We've had one valid DMCA takedown request, I think a couple of people asking questions via the form, and plenty of automated spam. A report would be pretty boring. I can't see anything that prevents us from publishing a DMCA takedown request - Google does this for their takedown requests - but this would something for the LWG or another working group to consider. I expect we'd want to blank out some of the contact information if we did publish. The person who the complaint is about receives a full copy of the takedown request and I know people routinely publish takedown requests they receive for sites they run. The DMCA process is very specific to copyright, but if it did cover trademark claims then the allegedly infringing material would need to remain removed until at least 10 business days after a counter-notice was received. The soonest this date would be is February 15th. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Revert ?
Hi, It seems there is a problem in this changeset. Must it be reverted ? Does somebody can do it ? -- FrViPofm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Revert ?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote: t it be reverted ? Does somebody can do it ? Can you provide a link or a changeset id? Cheers, ingalls ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Revert ?
On 02/05/2013 12:43 AM, nicholas ingalls wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com mailto:vpott...@gmail.com wrote: It seems there is a problem in this changeset. Must it be reverted ? Does somebody can do it ? Can you provide a link or a changeset id? He will - after he catches up on obviously overdue sleep instead of hacking on OSM... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Revert ?
Le 05/02/2013 00:43, nicholas ingalls a écrit : On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com mailto:vpott...@gmail.com wrote: t it be reverted ? Does somebody can do it ? Can you provide a link or a changeset id? Cheers, ingalls Oups ! Sorry ! http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10423011 Especialy http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39199782 that as been flatten. Thanks -- FrViPofm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
On 2013-02-04 07:02, Michal Migurski wrote: which concerns me no end. what position of authority does simon hold? over whom? Simon is the elected chairman of the OSMF board, and can speak on its behalf. He holds a position of authority over the Geocode Inc. issue because apparently the foundation received a CD. what significance does the osmf board hold? they speak for themselves, not anyone else. That's exactly the question at hand in this particular argument. We seem to have an OSMF that's not effective at communicating, and large parts of the community don't see the value they offer. Your takeaway is that the board is not representative of the project and should not exist at all. My feeling is that a project needs a no, my takeaway is that any time a small group attempts to represent a larger group, necessarily there will be problems, therefore we should not have a small group such as the board attempting to represent 30,000 individuals who map political structure to survive. In either case, Geocode Inc. believes when you say the project, you imply the people who contribute can be fashioned into a unity. i am fundamentally against that, it is flawed thinking. we are a multitude [1], not a singular, and thus we cannot be represented by anything less than ourselves. that the OSMF are the right people to receive a CD. Ultimately, someone needs to own the domain name and the API and the servers it runs on. That's who the Geocodes of the world are going to well, if we assume that certain resources are best centralised, and thus controlled by a single entity. i don't, again that is flawed as it gives power and control to a few. if we move away from that, and there is no representation, no centralisation, who do geocde send the notice to, all 30,000 who map? target. It would be best if that someone was answerable to the larger community through a democratic process of some sort, so in my view the OSMF is a requirement. I'm not frustrated that we *have* a board, I'm frustrated that the board we've got doesn't seem effective at communicating its purpose or much of anything else. They're bad at politics. If they were good at politics, you wouldn't be disagreeing with the idea of a board because you'd be thankful for the provision of a quality API and the decisive resolution of legal threats from trademark trolls. yes i would still be disagreeing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitude -- robin http://universitywithoutconditions.ac.nz - Auckland's Free University ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
On 2013-02-05 06:56, Simon Poole wrote: participated it has always struck me how little alignment of goals there is in the community as a whole (I'm not saying it is surprising, just that is so). Outside the very generic mission that OSM creates and distributes free geographic data for the world it is difficult to find common ground. So not only to we tend to disagree on how to get to our goal (the strategy) there are a number of different views on what those goals actually are (outside of hand wavy very generic statements). The exercise towards the end of the SWG to define core values for the project could be seen as an attempt to document some aspects of what common ground there is, however it never matured (IMHO) to a level that the result could be published as a formal document and currently molders well hidden on the foundation web site at ttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Core_Values I'm fairly sure that prior to any strategic exercise we need to take a step back and have a look at what this project wants to achieve in the end. who is we? and why do you or anyone else get to declare what we need to do? isn't that a personal decision? you're right, those who map do have different aims, methods, approaches, understandings, etc. why does that need to change? and how are you or anyone else going to form those 30,000 into one? through what authority, through what power? -- robin http://universitywithoutconditions.ac.nz - Auckland's Free University ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
On 2013-02-04 07:35, Jeff Meyer wrote: To answer your first question, I do. Others have voiced the same you're making a decision not to have a decision any more (leading implies someone making decisions on your behalf)? that's rather contradictory opinion - theyd like to see some organization, to know that their efforts are being applied for the most benefit. Your voice is noted, but there should be room for disagreement, no? not if it affects me, or anyone else who doesn't want to be affected, no. there is the faint whiff of top-down organisation happening here, which is very concerning. i didn't take part in osm in order for someone to organise me. One of the goals of a strategic exercise would be to test your thesis whether OSMs (and the OSMFs) damn good job so far, is damn good enough to continue to survive and thrive. The thesis that an organizing board reduces a community of thousands to the views of a handful seems contrary to what has gone on with many other successful OS projects. considering the problems with representative democracy in the last 300 years, and how the representatives are rarely representative of the many, i'm not sure this is possible: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/nov/23/congress-us-politics i recall that 80+% of british MPs are millionaires, while ~0.1% of their constituents are. out of touch? if someone is not being represented, then by definition we won't hear from them, so we won't know if there are any problems, such as poor representation. so whether the other successful OS projects are representing everyone or not is difficult to judge On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Robin Paulson ro...@bumblepuppy.org [4] wrote: On 2013-02-03 07:41, Jeff Meyer wrote: was: geocoding trademark thread I think Paweł has hit on a key question: does the OSMF have plans to operate and lead OSM in a more efficient, organized manner or not? what makes you think anyone wants to be lead, i certainly dont? or wants to be organised from above? were all fully functional human beings, perfectly capable of organising ourselves, and doing a damn good job so far - look at where OSM and most other digital commons projects have got through self-organising. i disagree with any idea of a board, i think its utterly wrong, it reduces a community of thousands to the views a handful of people can put across. -- robin http://universitywithoutconditions.ac.nz - Auckland's Free University ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
Indeed. I suppose if one joins a project on the assumption that there is no direction and no goals, at least you'll never be disappointed in how it turns out. On Feb 4, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Noted. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Robin Paulson ro...@bumblepuppy.org wrote: On 2013-02-04 07:35, Jeff Meyer wrote: To answer your first question, I do. Others have voiced the same you're making a decision not to have a decision any more (leading implies someone making decisions on your behalf)? that's rather contradictory opinion - theyd like to see some organization, to know that their efforts are being applied for the most benefit. Your voice is noted, but there should be room for disagreement, no? not if it affects me, or anyone else who doesn't want to be affected, no. there is the faint whiff of top-down organisation happening here, which is very concerning. i didn't take part in osm in order for someone to organise me. One of the goals of a strategic exercise would be to test your thesis whether OSMs (and the OSMFs) damn good job so far, is damn good enough to continue to survive and thrive. The thesis that an organizing board reduces a community of thousands to the views of a handful seems contrary to what has gone on with many other successful OS projects. considering the problems with representative democracy in the last 300 years, and how the representatives are rarely representative of the many, i'm not sure this is possible: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/nov/23/congress-us-politics i recall that 80+% of british MPs are millionaires, while ~0.1% of their constituents are. out of touch? if someone is not being represented, then by definition we won't hear from them, so we won't know if there are any problems, such as poor representation. so whether the other successful OS projects are representing everyone or not is difficult to judge On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Robin Paulson ro...@bumblepuppy.org [4] wrote: On 2013-02-03 07:41, Jeff Meyer wrote: was: geocoding trademark thread I think Paweł has hit on a key question: does the OSMF have plans to operate and lead OSM in a more efficient, organized manner or not? what makes you think anyone wants to be lead, i certainly dont? or wants to be organised from above? were all fully functional human beings, perfectly capable of organising ourselves, and doing a damn good job so far - look at where OSM and most other digital commons projects have got through self-organising. i disagree with any idea of a board, i think its utterly wrong, it reduces a community of thousands to the views a handful of people can put across. -- robin http://universitywithoutconditions.ac.nz - Auckland's Free University ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 osm: Historical OSM / my OSM user page t: @GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: Well, what does strategic planning even mean in the context of OSMF? OSMF currently operates under the strategy of keeping its influence pretty much as minimal as somehow possible. It mostly limits it self to operating the servers for the editing api and publishing a weekly planet dump. Everything else is kind of outside of the scope of the OSMF and to be provided by third parties. This strategy is implemented to such a degree that e.g. not even planet extracts to make the unwieldy monolithic planet file usable are provided by OSMF but by third parties. It operates under the strategy that anything that can conceivably be provided by third parties should. Third parties bring unique value to OSM. However, is it inconceivable that we might be able to offer something more than just a database? For example funded Software development has been done by companies like CloudMade, MapQuest on a company budget, or Mapbox that applied for external funding through the Knight foundation to develop OpenStreetMap software like e.g. the iD editor. This is great until these companies decide that they want us to map according to their rules. If they are building the tools then we have lost the ability to set our directions. Now from what I've seen of the iD editor it's great. The point I'm trying to stress is that we should set our own path, not let others set it for us. We could still encourage others to build tools, but with the understanding of where we are headed. PR resources have been provided to the community by yet more third party sources, like e.g. some of the offers of Geofabrik to print PR materials to use in various ways like e.g. to man booths on trade shows. Yet Google gets the press that thanks to them, North Korea has now been mapped. In an ideal world, the local community should be the lead communicator. But having a PR staff for OSM is just smart. Good press is going to help us raise money for new servers and other infrastructure we'll need. Lacking a local mapping community a PR staff could be the catalyst for the creation of new mapping communities. So again the strategy of OSMF has been to not pick winners or loosers to use a political term but let the community a free hand in anything that isn't absolutely necessary to centralize, which covers the servers necessary for the editing API, protecting the core data in the database and legal issues like the license, copy right violations and trandemark issues). Personally I am not the biggest fan of this rather libertarian approach, but it is a perfectly valid strategy for OSMF to take and which approach would ultimately lead to more success for OSM is pretty much impossible to factually determine and is thus left to personal opinion and controversial political debate. It is a valid strategy, but is it the right strategy? Under this premises what would strategic planning for the OSMF look like? Well, it would pretty much be an extremely technical discussion about the scalability of the server hardware. Although that might be a fascinating topic for some, I doubt that is what is meant by strategic planning in this debate and I don't really see any issues with that at the moment. God I hope not. You build a strategy based on what you want the future to look like. Hardware is not the issue. Getting people to come together to build the vision of what we want OpenStreetMap to look like is far more important than how big a server we've got. Or how fat our pipe is. In that light, one can also see the success and failure of the previous attempts of the SWG. As Richard pointed out, one of the successes of the SWG was to establish a policy of inclusion of third party tiles in the layer chooser. Although I think it was an important achievement, and as a member of the SWG at the time helped formulate it, I wouldn't directly call that strategic planning. Most other topics successfully handled were also pretty short sighted technical aspects if I remember correctly. But that is at least partly because there simply isn't any scope for strategic planning in the current model of the OSMF. I agree. So anyone who wants to do any strategic planning must first of all massively expand the resources, scope and responsibilities of OSMF. However, given that OSMF already even with its extremely limited scope of responsibilities suffers under a massive trust issues where far too many active members of the OSM community seem to find a huge conspiracy theory in each action OSMF takes, I don't see how a big expansion of responsibilities of the OSMF would be accepted by the community without hugely costly and probably damaging political fights. Again I agree. The C D order is a good example. I fully support their decision. I'm sure most of us would have come to the same conclusion if we in their shoes. What the OSMF Board
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
Am 05.02.2013 08:15, schrieb Clifford Snow: Third parties bring unique value to OSM. However, is it inconceivable that we might be able to offer something more than just a database? For example funded Software development has been done by companies like CloudMade, MapQuest on a company budget, or Mapbox that applied for external funding through the Knight foundation to develop OpenStreetMap software like e.g. the iD editor. This is great until these companies decide that they want us to map according to their rules. If they are building the tools then we have lost the ability to set our directions. Now from what I've seen of the iD editor it's great. The point I'm trying to stress is that we should set our own path, not let others set it for us. We could still encourage others to build tools, but with the understanding of where we are headed. But who is we here? Who should decide how to set our own path? All registered mappers? The OSMF board? Registered users? Active Mappers? What are active mappers? Coders? Active coders? Wiki editors? Every of any of the mentioned groups who is able to read, speak AND write English language? Whatever you choose as a definition for we here, it's very likely that it's not better than what we have now: Everybody who want's to decide AND DO. Sure: that may be companies, and yes, it may have a bad taste that companies influence how stuff is done in the osm universe, but on the other hand you could say the same about the JOSM or Potlatch maintainers, who influence mapping practice a lot by deciding about tagging templates and the like. I think it's good that everyone, even a company, is able to use osm data as well as to provide their users means to contribute back - by providing open-in-osm-editor-links as well as by implementing their own editing functionality (as long as it's done right). If you want us to set our own path, I have to ask, what differs a better us from the people currently setting up our path - many volunteers coding JOSM, Potlatch and iD (even sponsored by Mapbox/Knight Foundation as far as I know the iD dev people talk to and receive contributions by non-paid volunteers). regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-br] Mapping party wiki page
Ola, Na minha discussão com os organizadores do FLISSOL-BA para eventualmente fazer uma oficina OSM la, eu indiquei o link do wiki OSM dedicado às Mapping parties http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_parties, mas não tem em português. Eu poderia faze-lo, mas ficaria feio e como falta também em francês, vou ser mais eficaz là. Alguem queria contribuir ? Att. Severin ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Mapping party wiki page
Vou tentar fazer isso essa semana, que tenho um tempo livre. Julison. Enviado via iPad Em 04/02/2013, às 11:07, Severin MENARD severin.men...@gmail.com escreveu: Ola, Na minha discussão com os organizadores do FLISSOL-BA para eventualmente fazer uma oficina OSM la, eu indiquei o link do wiki OSM dedicado às Mapping parties, mas não tem em português. Eu poderia faze-lo, mas ficaria feio e como falta também em francês, vou ser mais eficaz là. Alguem queria contribuir ? Att. Severin ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Mapping party wiki page
Olá pessoal, Sou novato na lista e sou de Salvador, quando vai ser o Mapping Party aqui em Salvador? Sds, Luciano Em 4 de fevereiro de 2013 10:21, Julison juliso...@gmail.com escreveu: Vou tentar fazer isso essa semana, que tenho um tempo livre. Julison. Enviado via iPad Em 04/02/2013, às 11:07, Severin MENARD severin.men...@gmail.com escreveu: Ola, Na minha discussão com os organizadores do FLISSOL-BA para eventualmente fazer uma oficina OSM la, eu indiquei o link do wiki OSM dedicado às Mapping parties http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_parties, mas não tem em português. Eu poderia faze-lo, mas ficaria feio e como falta também em francês, vou ser mais eficaz là. Alguem queria contribuir ? Att. Severin ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Luciano Borges ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Mapping party wiki page
Estou traduzindo agora. Eu e Geaquinto estamos organizando uma série de mapping parties regulares aqui no Rio de Janeiro (a ideia é fazer uma por mês), então precisaremos da wiki traduzida =) []s 2013/2/4 Severin MENARD severin.men...@gmail.com Ola, Na minha discussão com os organizadores do FLISSOL-BA para eventualmente fazer uma oficina OSM la, eu indiquei o link do wiki OSM dedicado às Mapping parties http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_parties, mas não tem em português. Eu poderia faze-lo, mas ficaria feio e como falta também em francês, vou ser mais eficaz là. Alguem queria contribuir ? Att. Severin ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Mapping party wiki page
Tradução de 5 minutos, revisões são bem-vindas. =) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt-br:Mapping_parties []s 2013/2/4 Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com Estou traduzindo agora. Eu e Geaquinto estamos organizando uma série de mapping parties regulares aqui no Rio de Janeiro (a ideia é fazer uma por mês), então precisaremos da wiki traduzida =) []s 2013/2/4 Severin MENARD severin.men...@gmail.com Ola, Na minha discussão com os organizadores do FLISSOL-BA para eventualmente fazer uma oficina OSM la, eu indiquei o link do wiki OSM dedicado às Mapping parties http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_parties, mas não tem em português. Eu poderia faze-lo, mas ficaria feio e como falta também em francês, vou ser mais eficaz là. Alguem queria contribuir ? Att. Severin ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Palestra Técnica do CISL: Apresentando o OpenStreetMap
Pessoal, saiu o vídeo! Fiz um post no meu blog com ele e os slides: http://nighto.net/palestra-apresentando-o-openstreetmap-cisl-serpro/ Reforçando o que falo no final do vídeo, os slides estão disponibilizados em CC-BY-SA, então podem baixar (posso enviar o .odp original se alguém quiser) e remixar. []s 2013/1/30 Arlete Meneguette arletemenegue...@gmail.com Parceiro Conte conosco, mesmo à distância estaremos todos unidos. Vai dar tudo certo (como das outras vezes também deu). Em 30 de janeiro de 2013 19:03, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: A palestra foi marcada no começo de dezembro, na época parecia tão distante, mas já está chegando, é sexta-feira! =] Editei o wiki colocando a palestra no calendário de eventos: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org Aqui tem mais detalhes (basicamente o mesmo texto que a Arlete postou): http://www.softwarelivre.gov.br/eventos/palestra-tecnica-do-cisl-apresentando-o-openstreetmap E neste link será possível assistir o streaming: http://assiste.serpro.gov.br/cisl/ A palestra será disponibilizada posteriormente em http://assiste.serpro.gov.br/cisl/palestras-anteriores.html Desejem-me sorte! hehe []s Arlindo Pereira 2013/1/28 Arlete Meneguette arletemenegue...@gmail.com Aun Você pode me encontrar em: https://twitter.com/arletemeneguete https://www.facebook.com/arlete.meneguette Arlete Em 28 de janeiro de 2013 14:38, Aun Yngve Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org escreveu: Você poder manda o link para seu twitter, quero retweet este. Se eu poder ajuda o governo federal discobri as vontages com mapas livre e OSM, eu vou. Eles não me dar direito de voto, mas não poder tira meu influência Aun Johnsen On 28. jan. 2013, at 14:27, Arlete Meneguette arletemenegue...@gmail.com wrote: Luciano Boa ideia a sua. Vamos todos colaborar na divulgação e participar do evento online! Já postei no Twitter e no Facebook. Arlete Em 28 de janeiro de 2013 14:24, Luciano Santa Brígida luciano.santabrig...@gmail.com escreveu: Criei um evento para adicionar na agenda e ajudar a divulgar. https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cameccehfn66e8r4kc10gip1h7k Luciano Santa Brígida (91) 9112-8098 .: http://www.sbvirtual.com.br :. .: http://gplus.to/lucianosb :. 2013/1/28 Arlete Meneguette arletemenegue...@gmail.com O Comitê Técnico de Implementação de Software Livre do Governo Federal, convida você a participar da palestra Apresentando o OpenStreetMap, que será realizada no dia 01 de fevereiro de 2013. Resumo: Cartografia digital; licenciamento; problemas com dados em copyright; motivação de um mapa em licença livre; utilizações comerciais e governamentais e em dispositivos diversos; criação de mapas: editores, renderizadores; personalizações possíveis; modelo de dados cartográficos; comunidade brasileira e internacional. Transmissão: A atividade será transmitida via internet pelo serviço Assiste - Vídeo Streaming Livre do Serpro. Para acompanhar, acesse: assiste.serpro.gov.br/cisl/ Horário: 10h ás 12h Local: Auditório Serpro Andaraí Palestrante: Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Junior, é um especialista em cartografia colaborativa com OpenStreetMap. Colabora desde 2007 com o projeto, já tendo palestrado em diversos eventos, como FISL, Campus Party, ENECOMP e State of the Map, a conferência internacional do OSM. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação na Unirio, trabalha também com programação web na Caos Design e escreve um blog nighto.net ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Fwd: Fw: como adiciono ruas da minha cidade natal
Olá Márcio, Em primeiro lugar, copio também sua mensagem para a lista talk-br do OpenStreetMap, onde outras pessoas poderão te ajudar. Vi que a sua cidade não possui imagens de satélite em alta resolução do Bing. Neste caso, você precisará realizar o mapeamento de forma tradicional, com GPS e/ou Walking Papers. Segue aqui o link de um tutorial para iniciantes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt-br:Beginners_Guide Algumas partes ainda não estão traduzidas, então você pode preferir consultar a página do wiki em inglês. Pessoal, que links mais podemos indicar para o Márcio? []s -- Forwarded message -- From: Comite Implementacao Software Livre c...@serpro.gov.br Date: 2013/2/1 Subject: Fw: como adiciono ruas da minha cidade natal To: arlindosaraivapere...@gmail.com Oi Arlindo, tudo bom? Recebemos uma dúvida pelo e-mail, estou te encaminhando abaixo, para você responder, por favor Muito obrigada, Gabriela Fonseca Silva de Oliveira Analista CETEC - Coordenação Estratégica de Tecnologia SERPRO - Serviço Federal de Processamento de Dados A mente que se abre a uma nova ideia jamais voltará ao seu tamanho original. Albert Einstein -- Mensagem encaminhada -- Remetente: Marcio Venicios Xavier Cerqueira marcio.cerque...@serpro.gov.br Data: 01/02/2013 11:02 (09:15 horas atrás) Assunto: como adiciono ruas da minha cidade natal Para: c...@serpro.gov.br Parabéns, Excelente palestra e palestrante conhece bem o assunto. Como posso colaborar no projeto e como faço para editar ruas da minha cidade no interior da bahia. Localize aí Valença Bahia Brasil. Atenciosamente, Márcio Xavier Cerqueira --- SUPOP/OPGSM/OPPIS/OPSMD #61.2021-7784 SERPRO - Esta mensagem do SERVIÇO FEDERAL DE PROCESSAMENTO DE DADOS (SERPRO), empresa pública federal regida pelo disposto na Lei Federal nº 5.615, é enviada exclusivamente a seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional. Sua utilização desautorizada é ilegal e sujeita o infrator às penas da lei. Se você a recebeu indevidamente, queira, por gentileza, reenviá-la ao emitente, esclarecendo o equívoco. This message from SERVIÇO FEDERAL DE PROCESSAMENTO DE DADOS (SERPRO) -- a government company established under Brazilian law (5.615/70) -- is directed exclusively to its addressee and may contain confidential data, protected under professional secrecy rules. Its unauthorized use is illegal and may subject the transgressor to the law's penalties. If you're not the addressee, please send it back, elucidating the failure. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Como exibir bairros usando Leaflet.
Boa tarde, estou usando o Leaflet para editar o estilo do OSM que estou utilizando no meu site, porém os bairros que aparecem no OSM original não são exibidos no mapa estilizado. Alguém pode me ajudar com isso? Abraço, Hugo. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Como exibir bairros usando Leaflet.
Esqueci de mencionar que estou utilizando o Leaflet juntamente com o Cloudmade. Em 4 de fevereiro de 2013 17:21, Hugo Walberto Alves hwal...@gmail.comescreveu: Boa tarde, estou usando o Leaflet para editar o estilo do OSM que estou utilizando no meu site, porém os bairros que aparecem no OSM original não são exibidos no mapa estilizado. Alguém pode me ajudar com isso? Abraço, Hugo. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] como trazer novos usuários ao talk-br
Bem vindo, Renato. Entendo que tudo que é novo, no início, pode parecer meio confuso. Mas, não se preocupe não, pois essa confusão faz parte natural do processo de aprendizagem. Dessa forma, eu aconselho que você comece por uma cidade pequena, que não tenha traçados ou poucas informações, bem como, que tenha imagens do Bing. Comece traçando todas as vias (roads), fazendo as devidas interseções entre elas e adicionado os sentidos das mãos (quando puder). Depois vá até o site do IBGE em ftp://geoftp.ibge.gov.br/mapas_estatisticos/censo_2007/mapa_urbano_estatistico/; abaixe os respectivos mapas dessa cidade para você aproveitar os nomes das vias para inserir no OSM, assim como outros POI's. Também, você pode explorar as imagens de satélite dessa cidade ao máximo, podendo inserir outros dados claramente observáveis tais como dados de: pontes, rios, vegetação, linhas férreas, lagoas, cemitérios, campos de futebol, praças, viadutos etc... Não se pode esquecer, também, que sua experiencia no tracksource é altamente válida no OSM, uma vez que você já deve está bem familiarizado com a coleta de dados no local e a geração de tracks, arquivos GPXs, aquisições de POIs, etc... Com o tempo, você entenderá quais os objetos no mapas são independentes e quais possuem interdependências com outros elementos, e, dessa forma, você se sentirá mais confiante para fazer alterações em mapas mais complexos. abraços, De: Renato machniev...@gmail.com Para: OSM talk-br talk-br@openstreetmap.org Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Janeiro de 2013 13:32 Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] como trazer novos usuários ao talk-br Eu me inscrevi na projeto, na lista, mas na hora de colaborar achei tudo muito confuso e estou parado. fui por muito tempo colaborador do tracksource, com 4 municípios. Se alguém puder ser meu tutor, poderei começas a ajudar no OSM. Att. Renato 2013/1/30 Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com Poderíamos tentar associar os membros da lista aos usuários ativos, mas não temos a relação email - usuário do osm, o que dificultaria. Fora isso acho que a melhor maneira é contatar os usuários que vão aparecendo e falar sobre a lista, incluindo o link para inscrição. Bráulio Bezerra 2013/1/30 Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com Olá estava pensando em como evitar episódios como o do Matheus Eduardo. Imagino que deve ter mais gente mapeando no Brasil, mais ou menos ativamente, mas que não está participando do talk-br. Pessoalmente acho uma falha do OSM, todo usuário deveria estar automáticamente em pelo menos uma lista regional. Mas já que é assim, vocês sabem de algum jeito prático para localizar usuários que estão mapeando mas que não estão constando do talk-br? abraço Gerald ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-de] Post u. Telefonkarte
Hallo, kennt jemand den Autor der Telefonkarte? http://post.openstreetmap.de/ Die Seite ist auf dem deutschen OSM-Server und funktioniert nicht mehr. Wenn sie nicht gefixt wird, wird sie wohl abgeschaltet. Bitte hier melden falls jemand weitere Infos hat. Viele Grüße Lars ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Post u. Telefonkarte
Moin, Am 04.02.2013 13:45, schrieb Lars Lingner: Hallo, kennt jemand den Autor der Telefonkarte? http://post.openstreetmap.de/ [...] Bitte hier melden falls jemand weitere Infos hat. Wurde dort vorgestellt: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=5726 - falls das weiterhilft. Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OpenCyclaMap als Vektordaten
Hallo zusammen, ich möchte gerne Die OpenCycleMap als Vektordatensatz haben (für das Münsterland). Es wird überall beschrieben, das die Karte auf Basis von OSM Daten gerendert wird. Also muss, nach meinem Verständnis, auch jedem Weg ein Attribut mitgegeben werden, um welchen Fahrradweg (National, bzw. Wabe) es sich handelt, so das ich die OSM Daten danach filtern kann. In OCM wird dies ja auch sauber gerendert und in der Hilfe steht auch das für eine Route die Tags * cn_ref =“Nr“ zu vergeben sind. Wenn ich mir aber nun die OSM Daten z.B. von der Geofabrik lade, finde ich diese Tags nirgendwo. Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen, bzw. einen Hinweis geben, wo ich die vollständigen Daten herkriege. Danke und Viele Grüße Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCyclaMap als Vektordaten
Hi! Ich denke, dass ein Großteil der Radrouten heute mit Relationen getaggt sind. Du findest die Tags dann in der jeweiligen Relation und zwar network=?cn sowie ref=xxx. Schau mal hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#Relations Vielleicht hilft's ja. vg, Martin Am 4. Februar 2013 14:30 schrieb ef...@gmx.de: Hallo zusammen, ich möchte gerne Die OpenCycleMap als Vektordatensatz haben (für das Münsterland). Es wird überall beschrieben, das die Karte auf Basis von OSM Daten gerendert wird. Also muss, nach meinem Verständnis, auch jedem Weg ein Attribut mitgegeben werden, um welchen Fahrradweg (National, bzw. Wabe) es sich handelt, so das ich die OSM Daten danach filtern kann. In OCM wird dies ja auch sauber gerendert und in der Hilfe steht auch das für eine Route die Tags * cn_ref =“Nr“ zu vergeben sind. Wenn ich mir aber nun die OSM Daten z.B. von der Geofabrik lade, finde ich diese Tags nirgendwo. Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen, bzw. einen Hinweis geben, wo ich die vollständigen Daten herkriege. Danke und Viele Grüße Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCyclaMap als Vektordaten
Hallo Christian, hast Du von der Geofabrik die Shape-Files zum Vergleich genommen? Marco Am Mo 04 Feb 2013 14:30:21 CET schrieb ef...@gmx.de: Hallo zusammen, ich möchte gerne Die OpenCycleMap als Vektordatensatz haben (für das Münsterland). Es wird überall beschrieben, das die Karte auf Basis von OSM Daten gerendert wird. Also muss, nach meinem Verständnis, auch jedem Weg ein Attribut mitgegeben werden, um welchen Fahrradweg (National, bzw. Wabe) es sich handelt, so das ich die OSM Daten danach filtern kann. In OCM wird dies ja auch sauber gerendert und in der Hilfe steht auch das für eine Route die Tags * cn_ref =“Nr“ zu vergeben sind. Wenn ich mir aber nun die OSM Daten z.B. von der Geofabrik lade, finde ich diese Tags nirgendwo. Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen, bzw. einen Hinweis geben, wo ich die vollständigen Daten herkriege. Danke und Viele Grüße Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de -- + FOSSGIS 2013, Die Konferenz für Open Source GIS mit OpenData und OpenStreetMap erstmals in der Schweiz! 12.-14. Juni, HSR, Rapperswil, http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2013/ + FOSSGIS e.V. die unabhängige Hilfe bei freier GIS-Software und freien Geodaten http://www.fossgis.de + ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OSM App für Blackberry Lifebook?
Moin! Da es das BlackBerry Lifebook zu einem annehmbaren Preis gibt, hat jemand Erfahrung damit und einer OSM App dafür? Danke. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schim...@cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCyclaMap als Vektordaten
Am 04.02.2013 um 14:30 schrieb ef...@gmx.de: Hallo zusammen, ich möchte gerne Die OpenCycleMap als Vektordatensatz haben (für das Münsterland). Es wird überall beschrieben, das die Karte auf Basis von OSM Daten gerendert wird. Also muss, nach meinem Verständnis, auch jedem Weg ein Attribut mitgegeben werden, um welchen Fahrradweg (National, bzw. Wabe) es sich handelt, so das ich die OSM Daten danach filtern kann. In OCM wird dies ja auch sauber gerendert und in der Hilfe steht auch das für eine Route die Tags * cn_ref =“Nr“ zu vergeben sind. Wenn ich mir aber nun die OSM Daten z.B. von der Geofabrik lade, finde ich diese Tags nirgendwo. Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen, bzw. einen Hinweis geben, wo ich die vollständigen Daten herkriege. es gibt 2 alternative Methoden um eine Fahrradroute zu beschreiben, die ältere (und begrenzt mächtige) ist die über tags, z.B. lcn, ncn etc. (local cycling network, national cycling network), die neuere funktioniert über Routen (relations). Infos gibt's reichlich dazu im Wiki, z.B. hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Bicycle (auch mit links zu fertigen Garminkarten) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Bicycle/Fahrradroutensammlungen … Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCyclaMap als Vektordaten
Am 04.02.2013 14:30, schrieb ef...@gmx.de: Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen, bzw. einen Hinweis geben, wo ich die vollständigen Daten herkriege. Hi, hier mal ein Beispiel (Wabe 248): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/282581 Sehe gerade, die ist ziemlich reparaturbedürftig. Die Daten bekommst Du also mit den üblichen Methoden (Geofabrik Extracts, Overpass API). Musst halt nur die Relationen auflösen. Grüße Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCyclaMap als Vektordaten
Am 04.02.2013 14:30, schrieb ef...@gmx.de: Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen, bzw. einen Hinweis geben, wo ich die vollständigen Daten herkriege. Hi, hier mal ein Beispiel (Wabe 248): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/282581 Sehe gerade, die ist ziemlich reparaturbedürftig. Die Daten bekommst Du also mit den üblichen Methoden (Geofabrik Extracts, Overpass API). Musst halt nur die Relationen auflösen. Danke erstmal für die vielen Tipps und Links. Das mit den Relationen ist mir jetzt richtig klar geworden. Auch werden dies mitgeliefert, allerdings habe ich das nie bemerkt, weil ich mir in QGIS immer nur die Attributtabellen der Layer angeschaut habe und dort nichts zu sehen war. Mit dem OSM-Objektmanager wird das alles viel klarer und ich sehe auch die zugehörigen Relationen. Allerdings wäre ich dir/euch noch dankbar, wenn ihr mir die üblichen Methoden noch ein wenig genauer erläutert und auch wie ich die Relationen auflöse. Vom Gedankengang würde ich mich glaube nun in osmosis einarbeiten und versuchen alle Daten in eine PostGIS DB zu bringen oder die Wege mit den zugehörigen Relationen zu extrahieren, falls dies so funktioniert. Für Tipps, Worklfows, Programme bin ich wie gehabt dankbar und offen ;) Vielen Dank und viele Grüße Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Post u. Telefonkarte
Ich habe schon vor Ewigkeiten jemandem vom Devserver geschrieben, dass ich im moment keine Zeit dafür habe. Wundert mich, dass das immernoch da ist. Gruß Am 04.02.2013 13:45, schrieb Lars Lingner: Hallo, kennt jemand den Autor der Telefonkarte? http://post.openstreetmap.de/ Die Seite ist auf dem deutschen OSM-Server und funktioniert nicht mehr. Wenn sie nicht gefixt wird, wird sie wohl abgeschaltet. Bitte hier melden falls jemand weitere Infos hat. Viele Grüße Lars ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCyclaMap als Vektordaten
Am 4. Februar 2013 15:52 schrieb ef...@gmx.de: Am 04.02.2013 14:30, schrieb ef...@gmx.de: Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen, bzw. einen Hinweis geben, wo ich die vollständigen Daten herkriege. Hi, hier mal ein Beispiel (Wabe 248): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/282581 Sehe gerade, die ist ziemlich reparaturbedürftig. Die Daten bekommst Du also mit den üblichen Methoden (Geofabrik Extracts, Overpass API). Musst halt nur die Relationen auflösen. Danke erstmal für die vielen Tipps und Links. Das mit den Relationen ist mir jetzt richtig klar geworden. Auch werden dies mitgeliefert, allerdings habe ich das nie bemerkt, weil ich mir in QGIS immer nur die Attributtabellen der Layer angeschaut habe und dort nichts zu sehen war. Mit dem OSM-Objektmanager wird das alles viel klarer und ich sehe auch die zugehörigen Relationen. Allerdings wäre ich dir/euch noch dankbar, wenn ihr mir die üblichen Methoden noch ein wenig genauer erläutert und auch wie ich die Relationen auflöse. Vom Gedankengang würde ich mich glaube nun in osmosis einarbeiten und versuchen alle Daten in eine PostGIS DB zu bringen oder die Wege mit den zugehörigen Relationen zu extrahieren, falls dies so funktioniert. Für Tipps, Worklfows, Programme bin ich wie gehabt dankbar und offen ;) wenn Du nur die routen relationen (und Multipolygon-relationen) brauchst, kannst Du das auch mit osm2pgsql in postgres importieren, der importiert diese beiden Relationstypen mit (evtl. musst Du die standard.style anpassen, damit der die Routen importiert, erinnere ich mich nicht mehr genau). Evtl. lohnt auch ein Blick auf Imposm? Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Post u. Telefonkarte
Sebastian Hohmann m...@s-hohmann.de wrote: Ich habe schon vor Ewigkeiten jemandem vom Devserver geschrieben, dass ich im moment keine Zeit dafür habe. Pascal vermutlich. Habe den DNS Eintrag entfernt. Gruss Sven -- If we want hardware to work to its full potential, we need to claim to be a recent version of Windows. (Matthew Garrett) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCyclaMap als Vektordaten
ef...@gmx.de wrote: Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen, bzw. einen Hinweis geben, wo ich die vollständigen Daten herkriege. Alle oder nur einzelne? Sarah extrahiert die für ihre Rad- und Wanderkarten (http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/ respektive http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/). Da kann man die auch als GPX runterladen. http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/de/routebrowser/1203264/gpx wäre so ein Beispiel. Gruss Sven -- Das allgemeine Persönlichkeitsrecht (Art. 2 Abs.1 i.V.m. Art.1 Abs. 1GG) umfasst das Grundrecht auf Gewährleistung der Vertraulichkeit und Integrität informationstechnischer Systeme. (BVerfG, 1BvR 370/07) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCyclaMap als Vektordaten
Alle oder nur einzelne? Sarah extrahiert die für ihre Rad- und Wanderkarten (http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/ Grandios. Das ist eigentlich genau das was ich gesucht habe, nur halt auf das Münsterland+X begrenzt. Ich werde dort mal nachfragen. Schade, mir ist die Seite vorher noch nie aufgefallen ... ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM für die Straßenbahn in Linz
Am Donnerstag, den 31.01.2013, 09:20 + schrieb Elstermann, Mike: http://geoobserver.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/wo-bleibt-die-tram/ In der Info steht, dass es nur Fahrplandaten sind. Die Tabellen zeigen aber auch eine Real-Spalte. Habt ihr jetzt doch die Echtzeitdaten? Gruß, Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM für die Straßenbahn in Linz
On 04.02.2013 17:22, Wolfgang Hinsch wrote: In der Info steht, dass es nur Fahrplandaten sind. Die Tabellen zeigen aber auch eine Real-Spalte. Habt ihr jetzt doch die Echtzeitdaten? Die Linz AG Linien bieten auch Echtzeitdaten an (http://data.linz.gv.at/daten/LinzAGLinien/), die Animation auf http://linz.faehrt.at/ basiert aber auf Fahrplandaten: *Werden /Echtzeitdaten/ für die /Positionsberechnung/ verwendet?* Die Positionen werden anhand des offiziellen Fahrplans der Linz AG ohne Berücksichtigung von Echtzeitdaten berechnet. /al ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Podcast über nerdige Kartenanwendungen
Hoffentlich poste ich hier nicht etwas, was ihr schon lange kennt. Ein sehr interessanter Video-Podcast über nerdige Kartenanwendungen von Philip Banse, den man auch vom Deutschlandfunk und Deutschlandradio Kultur kennt: http://www.kuechenstud.io/datenschau/podcast/ds007-karten/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per rudere
building=yes + ruins=yes +1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] dubbio su corretta posizione per area pedestrian
Ciao. Ho una domanda sulle piazze. Se la piazza invece è transitabile dalle macchine (tipo un largo) o è un parcheggio, il nome va sull'area o sulla strada che eventualmente la attraversa o su entrambe? Il giorno 04 febbraio 2013 01:21, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2013/2/3 noperante nopera...@yahoo.it: e una domanda che si puo estendere a tutte le aree le aree si disegnano generalmente al loro vero limite. Nel caso di una piazza io lo vedo normalmente così: faccio coincidere il confine della piazza con le case intorno e poi disegno le strade sopra assicurandomi che siano connesse ad ogni intersezione con l'area pedestrian (nodi in comune) ed anche tra di loro. Farei diversamente se oltre la strada non ci fosse più marciapiede (tra strada e case). In questo caso farei coincidere il limite della piazza con il centro della strada (per avere la connessione tra highway=* e highway=pedestrian / routing), oppure in alternative si disegnerebbe fino al confine della piazza (prima della strada), disegnando poi connessioni virtuali tra pedestrian e strada (sempre per il routing). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rimuoviamo i tags name=fixme dalle strade?
Il giorno 02 febbraio 2013 15:34, Damjan Gerl dam...@damjan.net ha scritto: 02.02.2013 - 15:06 - Groppo O: Sulla mappa ci sono un po' di strade (~450) taggate con name=fixme o name=FIXME. ... Cosa ne facciamo? Bisognerebbe capire cosa si intendeva con questo tag: che il nome è da correggere (ma se non c'è?) oppure che la way è da correggere. Nel primo caso cancellerei il tag, nel secondo lo trasformerei in fixme=* Damjan Ciao, name=fixme era il tag usato anni fa per segnalare che ad una strada mancava il tag name=*. Voleva dire Chi sa il nome lo aggiunga. Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rimuoviamo i tags name=fixme dalle strade?
Guardando i dati ho notato che gli stessi quattro utenti avevano toccato per ultimi almeno 750 delle 859 way con name = fixme/FIXME/Fixme/FixMe (grazie Daniele F.). Quindi ho pensato di contattarli direttamente per avvertirli, nel caso stessero continuando ad usare questo tag. Ho intenzione di convertire le altre way name=fixme/FIXME/Fixme/FixMe in fixme=name, secondo l'approccio conservativo suggerito da sabas88. Sono d'accordo che anche i name=fixme qualcos'altro segnalati da Daniele F. siano da trasformare in fixme=qualcos'altro. Ciao, Groppo Il giorno 02 febbraio 2013 15:06, Groppo O grop...@gmail.com ha scritto: Sulla mappa ci sono un po' di strade (~450) taggate con name=fixme o name=FIXME. Uno a caso: Girare a destra su FIXME http://osrm.at/2fC Come già detto in lista in passato (non trovo più il thread), è sbagliato taggare così le vie prive di nome, tanto più adesso che esistono dei siti che le segnalano comodamente, come: http://qa.poole.ch/?zoom=6lat=41.70699lon=12.68095layers=TFB0 Forse risalgono ad un po' di tempo fa. Il loro numero non sembra calare, quindi non penso esistano o siano attivi bot che rimuovono automaticamente questi tag. Cosa ne facciamo? A) Niente, lasciamoli lì. Così possiamo riparlarne un'altra volta... ;-) B) Cambiamo name=fixme in fixme=name?. C) Cancelliamo name=fixme e basta, o dovremmo aggiungere nel fixme anche tutti gli altri tag potenziali (cit. Martin, nel thread che non ritrovo). +1 Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] dubbio su corretta posizione per area pedestrian
2013/2/4 Giovanni Caudullo giovanni.caudu...@gmail.com: Ciao. Ho una domanda sulle piazze. Se la piazza invece è transitabile dalle macchine (tipo un largo) o è un parcheggio, il nome va sull'area o sulla strada che eventualmente la attraversa o su entrambe? lo metto su entrambe. Spezzerei la strada alla intersezione con l'area (se il nome cambia lì). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Illuminazione rotonda
Ciao a tutti. Ho abbellito una rotonda di esempio e se va bene lo farò con le altre nella mia zona. Ho aggiunto il tag landuse=grass e fin qui tutto ok. Al centro vi è un palo di illuminazione, di segnalazione notturna della rotonda, ahimè creante un grosso inquinamento luminoso. Come lo segnalo questo palo? Highway=street_lamp oppure power=pole? Il secondo non mi sembra molto appropriato, non è il suo utilizzo. Grazie. -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Illuminazione rotonda
Il giorno 04 febbraio 2013 17:01, Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.itha scritto: Ciao a tutti. Ho abbellito una rotonda di esempio e se va bene lo farò con le altre nella mia zona. Ho aggiunto il tag landuse=grass e fin qui tutto ok. Al centro vi è un palo di illuminazione, di segnalazione notturna della rotonda, ahimè creante un grosso inquinamento luminoso. Come lo segnalo questo palo? Highway=street_lamp oppure power=pole? Il secondo non mi sembra molto appropriato, non è il suo utilizzo. highway=street_lamp, mettendoci eventualmente anche height=*. Metti inoltre lit=yes sulla rotonda e sulle strade adiacenti, se sono illuminate (lit=no se l'illuminazione manca). Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Illuminazione rotonda
Il 04/02/2013 17:07, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Il giorno 04 febbraio 2013 17:01, Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it mailto:gianlucabo...@alice.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti. Ho abbellito una rotonda di esempio e se va bene lo farò con le altre nella mia zona. Ho aggiunto il tag landuse=grass e fin qui tutto ok. Al centro vi è un palo di illuminazione, di segnalazione notturna della rotonda, ahimè creante un grosso inquinamento luminoso. Come lo segnalo questo palo? Highway=street_lamp oppure power=pole? Il secondo non mi sembra molto appropriato, non è il suo utilizzo. highway=street_lamp, mettendoci eventualmente anche height=*. Metti inoltre lit=yes sulla rotonda e sulle strade adiacenti, se sono illuminate (lit=no se l'illuminazione manca). Ciao, Simone height sarebbe per altezza? Si va a parametro? Non mi ricordavo del tag lit. Ma per le strade adiacenti, si intenderebbero tutte le strade. In ognuna bisogna inserire lit = yes/no ? -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Illuminazione rotonda
Il giorno 04 febbraio 2013 17:12, Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.itha scritto: Il 04/02/2013 17:07, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Il giorno 04 febbraio 2013 17:01, Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.itha scritto: Ciao a tutti. Ho abbellito una rotonda di esempio e se va bene lo farò con le altre nella mia zona. Ho aggiunto il tag landuse=grass e fin qui tutto ok. Al centro vi è un palo di illuminazione, di segnalazione notturna della rotonda, ahimè creante un grosso inquinamento luminoso. Come lo segnalo questo palo? Highway=street_lamp oppure power=pole? Il secondo non mi sembra molto appropriato, non è il suo utilizzo. highway=street_lamp, mettendoci eventualmente anche height=*. Metti inoltre lit=yes sulla rotonda e sulle strade adiacenti, se sono illuminate (lit=no se l'illuminazione manca). Ciao, Simone height sarebbe per altezza? Si va a parametro? No no, metti pure l'altezza in metri. Se ce l'hai esatta meglio, sennò stimala. Alcuni usano est_height=*, credo, ma non ne vedo l'utilità. Non mi ricordavo del tag lit. Ma per le strade adiacenti, si intenderebbero tutte le strade. In ognuna bisogna inserire lit = yes/no ? Su ogni way indica se è illuminata o no. Senza spaccare il capello: se una strada non ha i lampioni ma è parzialmente illuminata da una parte perché il lampione della rotonda è gigantesco, metti pure lit=no - non stare a spezzare la way perché non è completamente buia. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Illuminazione rotonda
2013/2/4 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: height sarebbe per altezza? Si va a parametro? No no, metti pure l'altezza in metri. Se ce l'hai esatta meglio, sennò stimala. Alcuni usano est_height=*, credo, ma non ne vedo l'utilità. si, per avere un'altezza assoluta potresti anche aggiungere il tag ele (elevazione del terreno intorno), così l'altezza diventa ele+height (altezza sopra il livello di mare/sis. di riferimento) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Illuminazione rotonda
Il 04/02/2013 17:16, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: I No no, metti pure l'altezza in metri. Se ce l'hai esatta meglio, sennò stimala. Alcuni usano est_height=*, credo, ma non ne vedo l'utilità. Non mi ricordavo del tag lit. Ma per le strade adiacenti, si intenderebbero tutte le strade. In ognuna bisogna inserire lit = yes/no ? Su ogni way indica se è illuminata o no. Senza spaccare il capello: se una strada non ha i lampioni ma è parzialmente illuminata da una parte perché il lampione della rotonda è gigantesco, metti pure lit=no - non stare a spezzare la way perché non è completamente buia. Ciao, Simone Ok...questo per le roundebout. Ma per le unclassified e altre strade, bisognerebbe disegnare fisicamente i lampioni oppure segnalare nella way il tag lit? -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
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2013/2/4 Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it: Ma per le unclassified e altre strade, bisognerebbe disegnare fisicamente i lampioni oppure segnalare nella way il tag lit? puoi fare sia uno che l'altro (anche insieme). Con il tag highway=street_lamp ci segni un palo con dei lampioni. Invece con lit segni un elemento illuminato. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] dubbio su corretta posizione per area pedestrian
vorrei essere sicuro di avere capito bene. ti faccio un esempio che conosco e si può facilmente capire grazie alle Bing. [1] è la piazza, nella parte bassa c'è la strada [2] che nella realtà finisce la piazza e inizia la strada. Diciamo che il marciapiede è integrato nella piazza. Dovrei quindi spostare i due nodi della piazza sulla strada? [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/71287879 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27941001 -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/dubbio-su-corretta-posizione-per-area-pedestrian-tp5747825p5748081.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
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2013/2/4 noperante nopera...@yahoo.it: vorrei essere sicuro di avere capito bene. ti faccio un esempio che conosco e si può facilmente capire grazie alle Bing. [1] è la piazza, nella parte bassa c'è la strada [2] che nella realtà finisce la piazza e inizia la strada. Diciamo che il marciapiede è integrato nella piazza. Dovrei quindi spostare i due nodi della piazza sulla strada? [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/71287879 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27941001 non conosco la situazione, ma credo che la piazza abbia dei nodi in comune con gli edifici (dov'è la banca) e si potrebbe anche estendere fino ai edifici all'ovest e sud (forse, se non cambia il nome). Poi ci aggiungi nodi dove la piazza taglia la strada (per avere routine). ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-co] Cómo descargar capas en openstreetmaps
Actualización: El shapefile de Geofabrik viene subdividido para 'waterways' y 'natural' http://download.geofabrik.de/openstreetmap/south-america/colombia.shp.zip El 29 de enero de 2013 13:39, Fredy Rivera fredyriv...@gmail.com escribió: 2013/1/29 hyan...@gmail.com hyan...@gmail.com Hola Carolina: Hola OSM es una fuente de datos del tipo Neogeografía [1], los elementos geográficos (nodos, vectores, polígonos y relaciones) son almacenadas en una base de datos geoespacial (Postgis) con las etiquetas [2] sobre sus características, por lo tanto no lleva implícito el concepto de capas (.shp). Para crear la capa shape de ríos de Colombia puedes hacer lo siguiente (seguro alguien puede proponer otro método): 1. Descargar los datos (.osm, un archivo serializado en xml) para Colombia desde el Planet [3], Geofabrick tiene unos extractos para el país actualizados al día de hoy; 2. Seleccionar de estos datos los elementos que se relacionen con las etiquetas 'waterway' y 'natural=water' con el osmosis; 3. Usar el conversor osm2shp [4] 4. Tedrás un archivo .shp hidrológico con los datos de OSM. Tambien se pueden hacer los pasos de conversión directamentre desde el Qgis que es un software libre para SIG que soporta OSM. salu2 Humano Recuerda la licencia de usos para los datos OSM http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright Saludos, Humberto Yances [1] http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neogeograf%C3%ADa [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features [3] http://planet.osm.org/ [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shapefiles#Create_your_own_shapefiles [5] http://qgis.org El 29 de enero de 2013 11:22, Carolina Gutierrez Antolinez cgutierre...@gmail.com escribió: Buen día Alguien sería tan amable de explicarme cómo descargar la capa de ríos para Colombia que está disponible? Gracias ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-dk] Naturstyrelsens data - nogen der har set dem?
Hej Sonny Mange tak for at have lavet research på den historie. Det virker lidt som om Miljøminister Ida Aukens embedsfolk er løbet med en halv vind, da de informerede hende vedr. frie friluftsdata. Men det kan selvfølgelig være at der kommer en webside med download af disse på et tidspunkt. vh Søren Johannessen ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-es] Normalización de Carreteras en Canarias
On Sábado, 2 de febrero de 2013 16:27:35 Ricardo Sanz wrote: No es la misma? Digo la lista de carreteras, no la tabla de clasificación http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Carreteras_del_Cabildo_de_Tenerife Saludos Noel er Envite - A: Because it breaks the logical flow of discussion. Q: Why is top posting bad? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Normalización de Carreteras en Canarias
Ah si. Hay que modificarlo también. Saludos Ricardo Sanz Moreno El 04/02/2013, a las 15:07, Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org escribió: On Sábado, 2 de febrero de 2013 16:27:35 Ricardo Sanz wrote: No es la misma? Digo la lista de carreteras, no la tabla de clasificación http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Carreteras_del_Cabildo_de_Tenerife Saludos Noel er Envite - A: Because it breaks the logical flow of discussion. Q: Why is top posting bad? ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] Rompecabezas
¿Alguien sabe de alguna utilidad que me permita montar una imagen de mapa de bits a partir de las imágenes de un WMS? Es decir como el propio servidor wms pero en un archivo de imagen en vez de en la pantalla -- Roberto Plà http://robertopla.net/ ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Rompecabezas
On Martes, 5 de febrero de 2013 00:39:09 Roberto Pla wrote: ¿Alguien sabe de alguna utilidad que me permita montar una imagen de mapa de bits a partir de las imágenes de un WMS? Es decir como el propio servidor wms pero en un archivo de imagen en vez de en la pantalla Se me ocurre descargar las imágenes en algún programa que soporte WMS (como JOSM) y luego hacer un screenshot. Así el programa se encarga de ajustarlas adecuadamente a la resolución que necesitas, etc. Saludos Noel er Envite - A: Because it breaks the logical flow of discussion. Q: Why is top posting bad? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Rompecabezas
El Tuesday 05 February 2013 01:39:09 Roberto Pla va escriure: ¿Alguien sabe de alguna utilidad que me permita montar una imagen de mapa de bits a partir de las imágenes de un WMS? Es decir como el propio servidor wms pero en un archivo de imagen en vez de en la pantalla Los WMS generan un mapa de bit en PNG, GIF, o JPEG y opcionamente ficheros vectoriales SVG segun la wikipedia o sea que un wget a la URL adecuada o esta misma en el navegador podrian servir http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/28541/returned-bbox-of-a-wms-with-varying-aspect-ratio http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wms ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-ee] Maakaart.ee WMS
Kas serveris mingi jama ? Viimasel ajal on maakaart.ee kihid gis'ist kadunud :( kasu ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
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Mis kihid täpsemalt? http://kaart.maakaart.ee/ kui selline paistab toimivat (mulle vähemalt) ? Serveris on väikeseid muudatusi tehtud ikka, aga ära ei tohiks kadunud midagi olla. Jaak On 04.02.2013, at 11:34, kasu wrote: Kas serveris mingi jama ? Viimasel ajal on maakaart.ee kihid gis'ist kadunud :( kasu ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
Re: [Talk-ee] Maakaart.ee WMS
On 02/04/2013 12:17 PM, Jaak Laineste wrote:
Mis kihid täpsemalt? http://kaart.maakaart.ee/ kui selline paistab
toimivat (mulle vähemalt) ?
Serveris on väikeseid muudatusi tehtud ikka, aga ära ei tohiks kadunud
midagi olla.
mjah mingi näpukas peab kuskil olema kaart.maakaart.ee/wms? xml ütleb
näituseks sedasi:
http://127.0.0.1/osm/service?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=mapnikSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
st. suunab kihti otsima localhosti peale ja sealt pilti loomulikult ei
leita.
kasu
Jaak
On 04.02.2013, at 11:34, kasu wrote:
Kas serveris mingi jama ?
Viimasel ajal on maakaart.ee kihid gis'ist kadunud :(
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Huvitav. Serveri konfis seda ei ole, ilmselt apache proxy ajab kiusu. Mis ajast
see katki on?
Jaak
On 04.02.2013, at 16:50, kasu wrote:
On 02/04/2013 12:17 PM, Jaak Laineste wrote:
Mis kihid täpsemalt? http://kaart.maakaart.ee/ kui selline paistab toimivat
(mulle vähemalt) ?
Serveris on väikeseid muudatusi tehtud ikka, aga ära ei tohiks kadunud
midagi olla.
mjah mingi näpukas peab kuskil olema kaart.maakaart.ee/wms? xml ütleb
näituseks sedasi:
http://127.0.0.1/osm/service?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=mapnikSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
st. suunab kihti otsima localhosti peale ja sealt pilti loomulikult ei leita.
kasu
Jaak
On 04.02.2013, at 11:34, kasu wrote:
Kas serveris mingi jama ?
Viimasel ajal on maakaart.ee kihid gis'ist kadunud :(
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Re: [Talk-lv] pabeigta pilseeta
Es vēl neko nepiedāvāju, bet var mēģināt apvienot šo pasākumu http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/9_QGIS_Developer_Meeting_in_Valmiera_2013 ar Valmieras mapping party. Tuvāko 2-3 nedēļu laikā es sapratīšu vai esmu gatavs uzņemt 2 pasākumus vienlaicīgi. Priekā! 2013/2/4 Rich ric...@nakts.net skatos aktivitaates un domaaju - kura pilseeta mums ir vislabaak saziimeeta ? varbuut ir kaada, kuru var pasludinaat par pabeigtu ? ;) ja veel nav, kura buutu vistuvaak ? *** ogre izskataas labi, shaadi taadi siikumi (saiisinaats ielas nosaukums http://www.openstreetmap.org/?**lat=56.81349lon=24.62381** zoom=17layers=Mhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.81349lon=24.62381zoom=17layers=M, laikam arii maaju numuri nav veel visur - paarogre, lashupes). *** ceesis - tur laikam veel pashas eekas daudz truukst ? *** daugavpils/kraaslava - daudz eeku truukst, un lielai daljai pataalu prieksh mapping party :) *** ventspils - maaju numuri, bet kopumaa izskataas labi uz ko es teemeeju - vareetu naakamo mapping party taisiit tur, kur vismazaak truukst liidz pabeigshanai, un tad pasludinaat vienu pilseetu par 100% saziimeetu :) -- Rich __**_ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-lvhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv -- pb ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
[OSM-talk-fr] Retours FOSDEM
Salut, Quelques retours du FOSDEM pour ma part. Je laisserai les autres participants au stand compléter. Je n’étais présent que le dimanche et je note : — Le stand est un stand OpenStreetMap-FR. Pour la prochaine édition, il faudra impérativement motiver la fondation et nos amis allemands — Nous n’avions aucune doc à distribuer, aucun poster à afficher et pas le moindre goodies à vendre. Tout juste Gaël avait pensé à ramener un grand écran et un gadget technologique, appât à geek :-) — Les standistes ne sont pas des programmeurs : nous avons été régulièrement séchés par les questions très techniques et terre à terre des visiteurs. N’oublions pas que le FOSDEM est orienté dév … savoir présenter OSM fait une belle jambe à tous ces geeks qui connaissent déjà très bien le projet — Nous avons eu l’occasion d’échanger sur l’éventualité d’une association belge pour OSM Au demeurant et malgré le stand pas très attractif, nous avons eu beaucoup de visiteurs et notre présence à Bruxelles aura encore été intéressante. Philippe ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Retours FOSDEM
Je suis en plein dans les goodies pour SOTM-FR... donc ça on va bientôt avoir :) Le 4 février 2013 10:16, Philippe Pary phili...@cleo-carto.com a écrit : Salut, Quelques retours du FOSDEM pour ma part. Je laisserai les autres participants au stand compléter. Je n’étais présent que le dimanche et je note : — Le stand est un stand OpenStreetMap-FR. Pour la prochaine édition, il faudra impérativement motiver la fondation et nos amis allemands — Nous n’avions aucune doc à distribuer, aucun poster à afficher et pas le moindre goodies à vendre. Tout juste Gaël avait pensé à ramener un grand écran et un gadget technologique, appât à geek :-) — Les standistes ne sont pas des programmeurs : nous avons été régulièrement séchés par les questions très techniques et terre à terre des visiteurs. N’oublions pas que le FOSDEM est orienté dév … savoir présenter OSM fait une belle jambe à tous ces geeks qui connaissent déjà très bien le projet — Nous avons eu l’occasion d’échanger sur l’éventualité d’une association belge pour OSM Au demeurant et malgré le stand pas très attractif, nous avons eu beaucoup de visiteurs et notre présence à Bruxelles aura encore été intéressante. Philippe ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] repère de crues - zone inondables
Le 3 févr. 2013 à 21:12, DH a écrit : Le 03/02/2013 13:11, Philippe Verdy a écrit : Le 3 février 2013 12:41, ades_...@orange.fr ades_...@orange.fr a écrit : je ne vais pas défendre les Pays de la Loire, mais dans ce cas je crois que c'est l'Etat, serveur carmen (équipement, écologie, je ne sais plus comment ça s'appelle maintenant). Pour la licence, j'espérais que ça éclairerait ;-). Reste à appeler une Dréal, à moins qu'un lecteur de la liste soit dans la maison, et qu'il puisse avoir la réponse plus facilement. Je pense que ce sont des données libres puisque simplement collectées auprès des communes (obligation réglementaire) et que pour certains bassins de crue il est même fait appel à la collaboration du public (la Seine je crois). Penser que... cela ne fait pas une licence claire. Rien ne vaut une licence en bonne et due forme. Qui ne s'oppose pas non pus à l'application de la loi ou d'une décision judiciaire : si tel était le cas, on pourra encore supprimer certaines données et appliquer la loi ou la décision judiciaire, et OSM dispose publiquement de tels recours. Tu dis à la fois que cela n'est pas un licence libre mais que Bigre ! C'est quoi ce jargon incompréhensible ?. L'administration française n'est pas tenue de fournir les données sous une licence OL/LO (même si c'est plus confortable pour tous les réutilisateurs), mais est tenue à respecter la Loi française (et d'en faire un rappel -comme l'a fait en son temps la Direction Générale des Finances Publiques pour nous signifier clairement que nous avions à faire face à de l'information publique légalement réutilisable-). Comprendre la convention d'Aarhus, la directive européenne INSPIRE, la politique et la stratégie de l'État français n'est pas une tâche simple, mais nous ne sommes pas les seuls à investir ce maquis juridique. L'Open Data jette un trouble dans un monde où l'eau claire distillée par les sources officielles ne gênait personne. Les temps ont changé et il faut accepter que tous les acteurs se donnent le temps de s'adapter à cette nouvelle donne. Pour en revenir aux données environnementales, la seule tache qui pourrait empêcher une pleine réutilisation est le fait que les données produites l'aient été à partir de données IGN sans que ces services de l'État bénéficient alors de la licence étendue permettant de s'approprier (au sens droit d'auteur et droits voisins) les données dérivées. On entre ici dans le dur de la stratégie de l'État vis à vis de lui-même ou de ses émanations (s'agissant plus particulièrement de la partie de la mission de service public de l'IGN (Référentiel à Grande Échelle -RGE) théoriquement entièrement subventionné. En résumé, utiliser des données DREAL, aucun doute sur la légalité. Télécharger des données DREAL, nécessité de verrouiller la clause IGN. Denis, ex-voisin de la maison ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr +1 J'ai passé un coup de fil une DREAL il m'a été confirmé que ces données sont production exclusive des services de l'Etat. La localisation des repères, après indication par les communes ou les collectivités locales ont vu leur repérage vérifié puis cartographiés par les services de l'Etat, il n'y a pas d'intervention IGN. Confirmation écrite pourrait être demandée. Il faut précisé que la mise à dispo de données environnementales est en cours d'évoluer vers une mise à dispo nationale (wms et téléchargement des .shp ou mif .mid)sans doute, d'ici 1 an. Pour les repères de crue, ils s'orientent vers un système proche de celui mis en place sur la Seine, avec demande de contributions du public. Pour info, le statut légal des repères de crue est le même que celui des bornes géodésiques.. La première question est plutôt celle de savoir si il y a un intérêt d'intégrer ces infos dans le projet OSM. Quels sont les avis ? S'il se dégage une réponse positive comment ça marche dans osm ? Pour les tags il pourrait s'agir de : manMade=flood_marker name=# flood_max_hight=#,## m (hauteur au dessus du sol au droit du repère) Flood_max_year= (année plus haute crue connue) flood_max_date=dd/mm/ (date si présente) flod_years=;; (autres crues repéres) source=# ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] RAPPEL: AG le 23 février à Lyon et candidatures...
Petit message de rappel concernant l'AG d'OpenStreetMap France qui se tiendra à Lyon le 23 février et surtout: - le délais pour les candidatures au conseil d'administration qui doivent être envoyées à c...@listes.openstreetmap.fr au plus tard le vendredi 8 février (soit ce vendredi). - tout le CA est renouvelé, donc les membres actuels du CA qui veulent rempiler doivent aussi envoyer leur candidature. Les candidatures reçues jusqu'à maintenant sont (j'en profite pour rajouter la mienne) : - Tony Emery - Jean-Louis Zimmermann - Cyrille Giquello - Philippe Pary - Louis-Julien de la Bouëre - Christian Quest -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [osm-fr CA] RAPPEL: AG le 23 février à Lyon et candidatures...
Je me suis également déjà porté candidat. Frédéric. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [osm-fr CA] RAPPEL: AG le 23 février à Lyon et candidatures...
Oups, je t'ai oublié dans la liste (pourtant bien noté)... couché trop tard ! Le 4 février 2013 11:07, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit : Je me suis également déjà porté candidat. Frédéric. -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] data.shom.fr
Pas vu passer l'annonce ici, alors je relaie. Peut-être intéressant pour un trait de côte officiel ? Art. Le portail données publiques du SHOM est accessible au public depuis le 28 janvier 2013. Il permet à tous les usagers (services de l’État, collectivités territoriales, entreprises, citoyens…) de rechercher, de visualiser et d'accéder aux données de référence du SHOM, décrivant l’environnement physique maritime, côtier et océanique, et son évolution. Cette plate-forme de diffusion de données géographiques est conformes aux exigences de la directive Inspire. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] data.shom.fr
Pour avoir également un tracé de toute la cablasse maritime. Il faut néanmoins un accès nominatif pour avoir accès aux données attributaires donc impossible de savoir si ce sont des câbles électriques, télégraphiques ou optiques. Le 4 février 2013 13:50, Art Penteur art.pent...@gmail.com a écrit : Pas vu passer l'annonce ici, alors je relaie. Peut-être intéressant pour un trait de côte officiel ? Art. Le portail données publiques du SHOM est accessible au public depuis le 28 janvier 2013. Il permet à tous les usagers (services de l’État, collectivités territoriales, entreprises, citoyens…) de rechercher, de visualiser et d'accéder aux données de référence du SHOM, décrivant l’environnement physique maritime, côtier et océanique, et son évolution. Cette plate-forme de diffusion de données géographiques est conformes aux exigences de la directive Inspire. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] data.shom.fr
Bonjour, De : François Lacombe Pour avoir également un tracé de toute la cablasse maritime. Il faut néanmoins un accès nominatif pour avoir accès aux données attributaires donc impossible de savoir si ce sont des câbles électriques, télégraphiques ou optiques. Le 4 février 2013 13:50, Art Penteur a écrit : Pas vu passer l'annonce ici, alors je relaie. Peut-être intéressant pour un trait de côte officiel ? Art. Le portail données publiques du SHOM est accessible au public depuis le 28 janvier 2013. Il permet à tous les usagers (services de l’État, collectivités territoriales, entreprises, citoyens…) de rechercher, de visualiser et d'accéder aux données de référence du SHOM, décrivant l’environnement physique maritime, côtier et océanique, et son évolution. Cette plate-forme de diffusion de données géographiques est conformes aux exigences de la directive Inspire. Les aspects de licence sont moyennement accesibles. Il en ressort que tout ce qui est disponible sur ce site n'est pas sous une seule licence. J'ai trouvé ça : http://www.shom.fr/les-services-en-ligne/portail-datashomfr/ où la liste des couches opendata est bien courte. Et sur le trait de côte, la licence bloque, j'ai l'impression : Le fichier Trait de Côte Histolitt est librement réutilisable dans des bases de données ou services intégrés dans les conditions suivantes : - mention explicite de la source des données TCH par la mention © IGN-SHOM 2007 lors de leur visualisation, - indication claire à l'utilisateur des limites d'usage de cette donnée. - représentation sur site internet accompagnée obligatoirement des logos de l'IGN et du SHOM, munis d'un lien vers les url www.ign.fr et www.shom.fr Tout autre mode de réutilisation, en particulier dans le cadre de services commerciaux, doit être l'objet de la délivrance d'une licence particulière par l'IGN ou le SHOM. vincent Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ? Je crée ma boîte mail www.laposte.net ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] repère de crues - zone inondables
Bonjour, le 04/02/2013 10:59, ades_...@orange.fr a écrit: La première question est plutôt celle de savoir si il y a un intérêt d'intégrer ces infos dans le projet OSM. Quels sont les avis ? S'il se dégage une réponse positive comment ça marche dans osm ? Ces infos sont utiles et intéressantes pour le citoyen lambda : - intérêt historique - intérêt environnemental (un cours d'eau, ça vit et ça déborde !) - intérêt foncier, etc. C'est à mon sens plus intéressant qu'un nom de magasin mais bon... Quant aux zones inondables, je ne comprends pas qu'on soit si dubitatif sur l'intérêt d'intégrer ces vastes polygones. C'est quand même une information pertinente voire vitale pour les citoyens qui souhaitent vivre dans telle ou telle région, non ? Samy ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Activations humanitaires, Groupe HOT
Bonjour Merci pour ce post, Effectivement c'est intéressant pour voir du pays. Apres une discussion avec Jean Guilhem la semaine dernière , j’ai trouvé sont idées géniales de demander au diaspora de cartographier leur pays. Ex du Mali avec la communauté malienne de Montreuil. Et pourquoi pas organiser des Mapping Party dans ces communautés , si il y a des Mappers à côté qui peuvent tisser des liens avec ces associations . Ce serait surement un bon échange et qui sait, ils pourraient mettre les points d’eau en plein désert. A moins que ce soit secret comme en haute Savoie avec les coins aux champignons. Bon mapping a tous fred M ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Arbres du cadastre vert du CG92 [was: Ouverture de la plateforme Open Data des Hauts-de-Seine]
On 28/01/2013 15:12, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Les arbres du Cadastre Vert (http://opendata.hauts-de-seine.net/jeu-de-donnees/cadastre-vert-les-arbres) à croiser éventuellement avec les arbres d'alignement (http://opendata.hauts-de-seine.net/jeu-de-donnees/arbres-dalignement-sur-la-voirie-departementale) et les arbres remarquables (http://opendata.hauts-de-seine.net/jeu-de-donnees/arbres-remarquables-du-territoire-des-hauts-de-seine-hors-proprietes-privees). J'ai posé à http://opendata.hauts-de-seine.net/jeu-de-donnees/cadastre-vert-les-arbres#comment-1053 la question du dédoublonnage de ces jeux de données : Chaque arbre a un identifiant unique, mais c'est IDELEMENT_ pour le Cadastre Vert, ID_ARBRE pour les arbres d'alignement et MATRICULE pour les arbres remarquables... Pourriez-vous s'il vous plait indiquer s'il est possible de croiser ces sources de données ? OpenDataHautsDeSeine m'a gentiment répondu et l'élément clé de sa réponse est : chaque arbre est dans un seul jeu de données. Nous pouvons donc sans crainte de doublonnage considérer chacun de ces jeux de données comme une source d'importation entièrement indépendante. Prochaine tâche : pour chacun de ces jeux de données, créer une page de wiki et y déterminer dans quels étiquettes de natural=tree fourrer les données de chacun des champs offerts par le CG92. Si quelqu'un le fait avant moi, ce serait pratique s'il le signale ici... Y-a-t-il d'autres expériences d'importation de ce type de données ? Une recherche de cadastre vert et openstreetmap ne donne pas grand chose... C'est une première ? ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Activations humanitaires, Groupe HOT
Fred, c'est effectivement une idée excellente. La connaissance du pays, c'est un élément essentiel de ces activations humanitaires et souvent nos cartes manquent de descriptions une fois que nous avons terminé de cartographier à distance. Les expatriés peuvent jouer un rôle très utile à cet égard. Ils ont aussi une connaissance du pays qui peut nous éclairer lors de nos interventions. Il serait intéressant si vous organisez de tels carto-parties, de pouvoir échanger par Skype par exemple et ainsi montrer la dimension internationale du groupe humanitaire HOT. Pierre De : Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com À : talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 février 2013 8h22 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Activations humanitaires, Groupe HOT Bonjour Merci pour ce post, Effectivement c'est intéressant pour voir du pays. Apres une discussion avec Jean Guilhem la semaine dernière , j’ai trouvé sont idées géniales de demander au diaspora de cartographier leur pays. Ex du Mali avec la communauté malienne de Montreuil. Et pourquoi pas organiser des Mapping Party dans ces communautés , si il y a des Mappers à côté qui peuvent tisser des liens avec ces associations . Ce serait surement un bon échange et qui sait, ils pourraient mettre les points d’eau en plein désert. A moins que ce soit secret comme en haute Savoie avec les coins aux champignons. Bon mapping a tous fred M ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] data.shom.fr
C'est pourtant en contradiction directe avec ce qui est écrit dans le gros tableau des jeux de données: *Couches* *Réutilisation* MNT littoral Litto3D®http://www.shom.fr/les-produits/bases-de-donnees-numeriques/bathymetrie/litto3d/ opendata Références altimétriques maritimeshttp://www.shom.fr/les-produits/bases-de-donnees-numeriques/maree-et-courant/references-altimetriques/ opendata Trait de côte Histolitt®http://www.shom.fr/les-services-en-ligne/donnees-en-telechargement/trait-de-cote/ opendata La réutilisation des données des produits numériques *opendata est gratuite pour tous les usages, y compris commerciaux* selon les termes de la licence ouverte version 1.0 publiée par la mission Etalab : www.etalab.gouv.fr. Peut-être s'agit-il d'une ancienne licence et le site web n'a pas été mis à jour ? ça mérite de les contacter pour éclaircissement. Le 4 février 2013 14:08, Vincent de Chateau-Thierry v...@laposte.net a écrit : Bonjour, De : François Lacombe Pour avoir également un tracé de toute la cablasse maritime. Il faut néanmoins un accès nominatif pour avoir accès aux données attributaires donc impossible de savoir si ce sont des câbles électriques, télégraphiques ou optiques. Le 4 février 2013 13:50, Art Penteur a écrit : Pas vu passer l'annonce ici, alors je relaie. Peut-être intéressant pour un trait de côte officiel ? Art. Le portail données publiques du SHOM est accessible au public depuis le 28 janvier 2013. Il permet à tous les usagers (services de l’État, collectivités territoriales, entreprises, citoyens…) de rechercher, de visualiser et d'accéder aux données de référence du SHOM, décrivant l’environnement physique maritime, côtier et océanique, et son évolution. Cette plate-forme de diffusion de données géographiques est conformes aux exigences de la directive Inspire. Les aspects de licence sont moyennement accesibles. Il en ressort que tout ce qui est disponible sur ce site n'est pas sous une seule licence. J'ai trouvé ça : http://www.shom.fr/les-services-en-ligne/portail-datashomfr/ où la liste des couches opendata est bien courte. Et sur le trait de côte, la licence bloque, j'ai l'impression : Le fichier Trait de Côte Histolitt est librement réutilisable dans des bases de données ou services intégrés dans les conditions suivantes : - mention explicite de la source des données TCH par la mention © IGN-SHOM 2007 lors de leur visualisation, - indication claire à l'utilisateur des limites d'usage de cette donnée. - représentation sur site internet accompagnée obligatoirement des logos de l'IGN et du SHOM, munis d'un lien vers les url www.ign.fr et www.shom.fr Tout autre mode de réutilisation, en particulier dans le cadre de services commerciaux, doit être l'objet de la délivrance d'une licence particulière par l'IGN ou le SHOM. vincent Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ? Je crée ma boîte mail www.laposte.net ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] repère de crues - zone inondables
2013/2/4 Samy Mezani samy.mez...@wanadoo.fr: Quant aux zones inondables, je ne comprends pas qu'on soit si dubitatif sur l'intérêt d'intégrer ces vastes polygones. C'est quand même une information pertinente voire vitale pour les citoyens qui souhaitent vivre dans telle ou telle région, non ? Les zones inondées sont déterminées à partir de modèles 3D (ou de relevés photos sur des événements marquants). De plus, leur ampleur est très variable suivant l'intensité des crus. Ce qui gêne donc le plus, c'est la difficulté de représenter du 3D dans le système 2D d'OSM (on a déjà beaucoup de mal avec les marées ou même les lits mineurs/majeurs des rivières), l'impossibilité de pouvoir les vérifier et aussi le caractère transitoire de ces événements. Des questions qu'on se pose régulièrement sur d'autres sujets du même type. (l'exposition aux risques en général, comme l'exposition aux pollutions de l'air, sonores, électromagnétiques, chimiques, radioactives, etc). Par contre, il y a en général aucune réticence à mettre des objets physiques (antennes, usines, zones de stockages, marqueurs de crus) qui sont plus permanents et vérifiables. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Activations humanitaires, Groupe HOT
On 04/02/2013 14:22, Fred Moine wrote: Apres une discussion avec Jean Guilhem la semaine dernière , j’ai trouvé sont idées géniales de demander au diaspora de cartographier leur pays. Ex du Mali avec la communauté malienne de Montreuil. Et pourquoi pas organiser des Mapping Party dans ces communautés , si il y a des Mappers à côté qui peuvent tisser des liens avec ces associations. J'ai essayé anecdotiquement avec des Sénégalais et des Burkinabés, mais j'ai rencontré des obstacles qui, quoiqu'analogues à ceux rencontrés avec des utilisateurs Français, n'en sont pas moins nettement renforcés: - L'interprétation de sources orbitales nous semble aujourd'hui innée parce que nous la pratiquons régulièrement, mais elle est encore impénétrable pour beaucoup d'utilisateurs. Pour leur soutirer l'information il faut les faire parler en leur décrivant l'image. - La représentation cartographique est également une abstraction peu accessible à ceux qui n'ont pas l'occasion de la pratiquer régulièrement : spontanément l'utilisateur décrira un chemin du genre et sur la grande route goudronnée je tourne à gauche avant le carrefour de l'aéroport qu'il faudra projeter pour lui sur la carte. La vision globale offerte par la cartographie en générale et l'imagerie orbitale en particulier est donc souvent un choc pour celui qui n'a toujours eu que sa vision subjective au niveau du sol, représentée mentalement sous forme d'itinéraires ignorant le contexte. Tout ça n'a rien de spécifiquement Africain comme en témoigne la popularité de la navigation pas à pas dans les routeurs portatifs, mais le problème est souligné et c'est encore une mise en perspective du luxe d'information dans lequel nous baignons aujourd'hui et dont il faut tenir compte pour approcher ces utilisateurs vivant dans des environnements où l'accès à l'information est souvent moins pervasif que celui auquel nous sommes habitués. Si je devais produire un support de formation spécifique, je l'introduirait avec des triptyques mettant côté à côté : - Vue subjective au niveau du sol - Vue d'orbite - Carte La démarche n'a rien de fondamentalement différent de ce que je fais pour présenter OSM à mes parents, mais elle nécessite d'autant plus de pédagogie élémentaire pour commencer que les utilisateurs viennent d'un environnement pauvre en information écrite et cartographique. Ensuite arrive le problème de la translittération de toponymes rarement manipulés sous forme écrite... Préparez-vous à régulièrement utiliser alt_name J'imagine que les intervenants locaux HOT en général et d'Eurosha en particulier auront beaucoup à dire autour de ces sujets et avec un nombre d'expériences nettement plus représentatif que mes anecdotes. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] data.shom.fr
2013/2/4 Vincent Privat vincent.pri...@gmail.com Peut-être s'agit-il d'une ancienne licence et le site web n'a pas été mis à jour ? ça mérite de les contacter pour éclaircissement. Je penche aussi pour cette explicaation. Sinon, il n'y aurait aucun changement et l'annonce n'aurait aucun sens. Voir aussi le tableau couches de données disponibles ici: http://www.shom.fr/les-services-en-ligne/portail-datashomfr/ Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] repère de crues - zone inondables
Le 4 févr. 2013 à 15:09, Pieren a écrit : 2013/2/4 Samy Mezani samy.mez...@wanadoo.fr: Quant aux zones inondables, je ne comprends pas qu'on soit si dubitatif sur l'intérêt d'intégrer ces vastes polygones. C'est quand même une information pertinente voire vitale pour les citoyens qui souhaitent vivre dans telle ou telle région, non ? Les zones inondées sont déterminées à partir de modèles 3D (ou de relevés photos sur des événements marquants). De plus, leur ampleur est très variable suivant l'intensité des crus. Ce qui gêne donc le plus, c'est la difficulté de représenter du 3D dans le système 2D d'OSM (on a déjà beaucoup de mal avec les marées ou même les lits mineurs/majeurs des rivières), l'impossibilité de pouvoir les vérifier et aussi le caractère transitoire de ces événements. Des questions qu'on se pose régulièrement sur d'autres sujets du même type. (l'exposition aux risques en général, comme l'exposition aux pollutions de l'air, sonores, électromagnétiques, chimiques, radioactives, etc). +1 Il s'agit de constructions, ou même d'interprétations, à partir de données physiques ça doit effectivement échapper à la capacité de modélisation d'OSM. ;-) Ces zones de crues (mais c'est effectivement pareil pour les risques industriels, les risques d'avalanche ou d'éboulement…) sont par ailleurs l'objet de Plan de prévention des risques d'où découlent des données réglementaires. Je vois mal comment on pourrait dans OSM, pourrait intégrer toutes ces données en garantissant leur pertinence. OSM permet à tous de modifier les informations portées sur la carte. En plus ces informations sont facilement dispo sur les serveurs des services de l'Etat (un peu long à trouver pour l'instant, il y a de multiples serveurs, mais ça semble s'arranger), je ne suis pas sûr que le projet d'OSM soit de faire le porter à connaissance de l'Etat. Par contre, il y a en général aucune réticence à mettre des objets physiques (antennes, usines, zones de stockages, marqueurs de crus) qui sont plus permanents et vérifiables. je ne connais pas trop bien le fonctionnement d'OSM pour ce faire, il faudrait créer de nouveaux tags, informer sur le but etc. . Comment ça se passe pratiquement ? Je veux bien faire de l'import sur un ou deux départements (encore qu'avec josm ça ne va pas forcement être si simple que ça), mais ensuite ? ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Retours FOSDEM
Le samedi c'était Gaël et moi qui ont tenu le stand. C'est vrai, c'était fort minimaliste. L'année dernière on avait au moins une carte format poster qui venait de Geofabrik pour décorer un petit peu. Pour moi, le plus important, c'est que nous étions là pour repondre aux questions. Et des questions il y en avait. Pour moi c'était donc assez bien réussi. Mais il y a certainement de quoi améliorer. Le samedi prochain j'ai organisé un rencontre OSM à Lier (en Flandre, alentours d'Anvers). La première semaine de juillet il y a le RMLL qui sera organisé à Bruxelles cette année. Les organisateurs aimeraient que nous organisons une cartopartie au jour du grand public. Moi, je pense que nous pourrons également faire aux moins 2 présentations. 1 pour présenter le projet en général et une pour les sujets plus avancés. En outre il serait intéressant d'avoir 3-5 machines au stand pour que les gens puissent faire une expérience directe. Et on peut même organiser un atelier pratique avec des démos. Et le matériel 'goodies' bien sûr! De préférence avec openstreetmap.org. Les RMLL à Bruxelles seront bien plus internationales et multilingues que les autres, il me semble. J'achèterai directement un T shirt, une 'veste' pour la pluie, une veste haute visibilité moi même! :-) Jo 2013/2/4 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr Je suis en plein dans les goodies pour SOTM-FR... donc ça on va bientôt avoir :) Le 4 février 2013 10:16, Philippe Pary phili...@cleo-carto.com a écrit : Salut, Quelques retours du FOSDEM pour ma part. Je laisserai les autres participants au stand compléter. Je n’étais présent que le dimanche et je note : — Le stand est un stand OpenStreetMap-FR. Pour la prochaine édition, il faudra impérativement motiver la fondation et nos amis allemands — Nous n’avions aucune doc à distribuer, aucun poster à afficher et pas le moindre goodies à vendre. Tout juste Gaël avait pensé à ramener un grand écran et un gadget technologique, appât à geek :-) — Les standistes ne sont pas des programmeurs : nous avons été régulièrement séchés par les questions très techniques et terre à terre des visiteurs. N’oublions pas que le FOSDEM est orienté dév … savoir présenter OSM fait une belle jambe à tous ces geeks qui connaissent déjà très bien le projet — Nous avons eu l’occasion d’échanger sur l’éventualité d’une association belge pour OSM Au demeurant et malgré le stand pas très attractif, nous avons eu beaucoup de visiteurs et notre présence à Bruxelles aura encore été intéressante. Philippe ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Activations humanitaires, Groupe HOT
Le 04/02/2013 15:11, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit : J'ai essayé anecdotiquement avec des Sénégalais et des Burkinabés, mais j'ai rencontré des obstacles qui, quoiqu'analogues à ceux rencontrés avec des utilisateurs Français, n'en sont pas moins nettement renforcés: - L'interprétation de sources orbitales nous semble aujourd'hui innée parce que nous la pratiquons régulièrement, mais elle est encore impénétrable pour beaucoup d'utilisateurs. Pour leur soutirer l'information il faut les faire parler en leur décrivant l'image. - La représentation cartographique est également une abstraction peu accessible à ceux qui n'ont pas l'occasion de la pratiquer régulièrement : spontanément l'utilisateur décrira un chemin du genre et sur la grande route goudronnée je tourne à gauche avant le carrefour de l'aéroport qu'il faudra projeter pour lui sur la carte. Tout à fait ! Aussi, cartographier l'Afrique, c'est bien. Mais fournir des cartes à l'Afrique, c'est pas mal du tout ! Il y a une jeune de Besançon qui est partie pour Sarh (Tchad) pour un an. Je lui ai fourni (outre un GPS Garmin avec carte OSM) tout un jeu de tirages walking-paper de sa zone pour noter ce qu'elle peut avec les gens du coin. Il y a deux jeunes de Besançon qui ont le projet d’aller à Douroula (Burkina) cet été. Ils y sont déjà allé une fois et ont rapporté de la donnée. Dans le projet, ils font imprimer une carte de Douroula sur bâche pour le collège là-bas, l'idée est de faire payer le tirage par Besançon, jumelé avec Douroula. Les jeunes apprendront à lire une carte s'il en ont une de leur coin ! Même le préfet n'a pas de carte de son département ! Il est intéressé par OpenStreetMap, solution à pas cher. -- FrViPofm ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Arbres du cadastre vert du CG92 [was: Ouverture de la plateforme Open Data des Hauts-de-Seine]
On 04/02/2013 14:29, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Prochaine tâche : pour chacun de ces jeux de données, créer une page de wiki et y déterminer dans quels étiquettes de natural=tree fourrer les données de chacun des champs offerts par le CG92. Voilà pour la création de la page : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Open_Data_Hauts-de-Seine_Arbres Une proposition de correspondance des champs avec les étiquettes de natural=tree est donc la prochaîne tâche sur ma liste. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
