Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-25 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Thomas,

on  Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:04:21 +0700GMT (25.11.2006, 01:04 +0100GMT here),
you wrote:

TF On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:06:35 +0100 GMT (25/11/2006, 03:06 +0700 GMT),
TF Peter Meyns wrote:

TF [...]
PM | RD /S /Q C:\Temp
PM | MD C:\Temp
PM `-

PM I would like to have this generalized, so that it works on any
PM computer that my Voyager is allowed to run on.

TF If you succeed, please do not run your Voyager on my machine. I
TF wouldn't want you to delete and recreate my temp directories. You
TF don't know what I have, and maybe would like to keep, in there. People
TF work differently, and even if the temp directory should be empty, it
TF isn't.

Ok, I see your point.

TF ...

TF Anyway. Do you know how to create a batch file that deletes the
TF registry entry HKCU / Software / Rit / Voyager? This I would like to
TF use.

I created a reg file named voyager_key_ex.reg with this contents:

REGEDIT4

[-HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\Voyager]

and put it in the Voyager folder. For exiting Voyager I created
voyager_exit.bat in the root of the USB drive containing this:

Voyager\voyager.exe /exit
regedit /S Voyager\voyager_key_ex.reg

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Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:04:32 +0100 GMT (25/11/2006, 20:04 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

PM and put it in the Voyager folder. For exiting Voyager I created
PM voyager_exit.bat in the root of the USB drive containing this:

PM Voyager\voyager.exe /exit

PM regedit /S Voyager\voyager_key_ex.reg

What does the /S switch do?

Peteres mail just answred my other question. Do you agree?

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Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:33:42 +0100 GMT (25/11/2006, 21:33 +0700 GMT),
Peter Hampf wrote:

TF Thanks. What's the /f switch for?

PH That's a switch to /force the removal.

Ah, and if I don't force it, the command will be ignored?

TF Do I have to add some wait command that waits until the first
TF command has been completed (i.e. voyager closed again) before the
TF reg-key deletion command is started?

PH Yes! Your line should read

PH start /wait voyager\yoyager.exe
PH ... other stuff ...
PH reg delete HKCU\Software\Rit\Voyager /f nul 21

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Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-25 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Thomas,

on  Sat, 25 Nov 2006 22:14:29 +0700GMT (25.11.2006, 16:14 +0100GMT here),
you wrote:

TF On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:04:32 +0100 GMT (25/11/2006, 20:04 +0700 GMT),
TF Peter Meyns wrote:

PM and put it in the Voyager folder. For exiting Voyager I created
PM voyager_exit.bat in the root of the USB drive containing this:

PM Voyager\voyager.exe /exit

PM regedit /S Voyager\voyager_key_ex.reg

TF What does the /S switch do?

It prevents the alert box Do you really want to edit the registry or
along that line.

TF Peteres mail just answred my other question. Do you agree?

I haven't tried his scripts, because the ones I have do their job
accurately on three computers with Win98, Win2k and WinXP. Maybe his
scripts apply to more diverse systems - I don't know.

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Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-24 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi all,

I found that Voyager sometimes leaves traces on the host machine not
only in the registry, but also in the temp file of the current user. I
have a batch file, that removes all temp data on *my* computer. Here
it is:

,- [ del_temp.bat ]
| @Echo off
| RD /S /Q C:\Documents and Settings\Peter\Local Settings\Temp
| MD C:\Documents and Settings\Peter\Local Settings\Temp
| 
| RD /S /Q C:\Windows\Temp
| MD C:\Windows\Temp
| 
| RD /S /Q C:\Temp
| MD C:\Temp
`-

I would like to have this generalized, so that it works on any
computer that my Voyager is allowed to run on.

What should I use for C:\Documents and Settings\Peter\Local
Settings? I'm sure there's something like %appdata.

Can you help me out?

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Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-24 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Peter,

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:06:35 +0100GMT (24-11-2006, 21:06 , where I
live), you wrote:

PM What should I use for C:\Documents and Settings\Peter\Local
PM Settings? I'm sure there's something like %appdata.

Just use:
cd %appdata%
or as you want to reach the temp folder, use:
cd %temp%

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Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-24 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Peter Meyns  everyone else,

on 24-Nov-2006 at 21:06 you (Peter Meyns) wrote:

 What should I use for C:\Documents and Settings\Peter\Local
 Settings? I'm sure there's something like %appdata.

Open a CMD window and type set to see all variables that are defined
on the system.

Amongst them you'll find the %USERPROFILE% variable with would point to
c:\documents and settings\peter in your example. You just have to
append the \local settings part.

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Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-24 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Peter Hampf  everyone else,

on 24-Nov-2006 at 23:40 you (Peter Hampf) wrote:

 cd %temp%
 cd ..
 if not exist temp goto skip
   {instructions to remove dir and files}
 :skip

 But even this isn't foolproof. What if there exists a FILE with the name
 temp and not a directory? In that case if exist temp will also return
 true.

If there's a file named temp you can't CD to it I'd assume... :-)

 cd /d %temp%
 cd ..

 to avoid problems.

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Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:06:35 +0100 GMT (25/11/2006, 03:06 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

[...]
PM | RD /S /Q C:\Temp
PM | MD C:\Temp
PM `-

PM I would like to have this generalized, so that it works on any
PM computer that my Voyager is allowed to run on.

If you succeed, please do not run your Voyager on my machine. I
wouldn't want you to delete and recreate my temp directories. You
don't know what I have, and maybe would like to keep, in there. People
work differently, and even if the temp directory should be empty, it
isn't.

If you tried to look for bat*.tmp files and delete them, I would have
a problem with that, too: I may be running TB! myself on this
computer, and you will therefore be deleting some of *my* bat*.tmp
files, which I might still need for testing.

If you go to the temp directory manually and take the time to view the
file list before blindly deleting the whole directory, you will be
able to tell from the time stamp which are you files.

Anyway. Do you know how to create a batch file that deletes the
registry entry HKCU / Software / Rit / Voyager? This I would like to
use.

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Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 02:20:41 +0100 GMT (25/11/2006, 08:20 +0700 GMT),
Peter Ouwehand wrote:

TF Anyway. Do you know how to create a batch file that deletes the
TF registry entry HKCU / Software / Rit / Voyager? This I would like to
TF use.

PO Surf to:
PO 
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/Windows2000serv/support/FAQW2KCP.mspx

PO Find for:
PO How can I delete a Key or Value Name using a filename.reg file?
PO Click on it to view the answer.

Interesting, thanks. While this is for Windows 2000 Server, it should
also work for other Windows systems, I hope. The key paths look the
same. I am only not sure about 'REGEDIT4'. Will it work under XP?

PO You may want to test this on some bogus / self created registry
PO entires before actually performing the actions you have in mind.

I will, don't worry.

PO HTH.

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Re: Delete all temp files after using Voyager

2006-11-24 Thread Rick Grunwald
Hello Peter,
 Hi all,

 I found that Voyager sometimes leaves traces on the host machine not
 only in the registry, but also in the temp file of the current user. I
 have a batch file, that removes all temp data on *my* computer. Here
 it is:

 ,- [ del_temp.bat ]

I use the following:
cd \Docume~1\Rick\Locals~1\Temp
ATTRIB -r -a -s -h /s /d
rmdir /s /q C:\docume~1\rick\locals~1\temp
CD\temp
ATTRIB -r -a -s -h /s /d
rmdir /s /q C:\temp
CD\windows\temp
ATTRIB -r -a -s -h /s /d
rmdir /s /q C:\windows\temp

Even this doesn't remove all the temp files but that is only a couple
of them
As for registry keys, EXPORT the one you want to delete, make a copy
of that file, edit it and add a - in front of it. Then double click
and add it to the registry. If done correctly it should remove the
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Re: The Bat Voyager

2006-10-22 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Raymond,

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:06:48 -0500 GMT (22/10/2006, 03:06 +0700 GMT),
Raymond Morris wrote:

RM   Since I have installed The Bat voyager 3.86.03=My folders keep
RM   getting damaged esp the inbox folder and sent mail folder. The mail
RM   filters keep dropping and/or not filtering at all. Running
RM   maintenance centre  does not repair the damaged folders. This is
RM   happening to all 4 of my mail accounts.

I had this problem constantly until I stopped putting the USB stick in
the pocket that is close to my mobile phone. Now, with the USB stick
in the shirt pocket and the phone on the belt, I have no problems any
more when using Voyager.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-21 Thread MAU
Hello Richard,

 By the way, hope your hand is better now.

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The Bat Voyager

2006-10-21 Thread Raymond Morris
Hello tbbeta,

  Since I have installed The Bat voyager 3.86.03=My folders keep
  getting damaged esp the inbox folder and sent mail folder. The mail
  filters keep dropping and/or not filtering at all. Running
  maintenance centre  does not repair the damaged folders. This is
  happening to all 4 of my mail accounts. I reinstalled
  TB-3.86.03=seemed to help but still have some damaged
  folders. The last version worked great. I installed this version
  when it was posted here by Max and it just seems to decay over time.

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Re: The Bat Voyager

2006-10-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/21/2006  4:46 PM

Hi Raymond,

On 10/21/2006 Raymond Morris wrote:

RM Hello tbbeta,

RM   Since I have installed The Bat voyager 3.86.03=My folders keep
RM   getting damaged esp the inbox folder and sent mail folder. The mail
RM   filters keep dropping and/or not filtering at all. Running
RM   maintenance centre  does not repair the damaged folders. This is
RM   happening to all 4 of my mail accounts. I reinstalled
RM   TB-3.86.03=seemed to help but still have some damaged
RM   folders. The last version worked great. I installed this version
RM   when it was posted here by Max and it just seems to decay over time.

I have been using it since it was posted and so far there has been no
problem with 3 POP accounts.

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Re: The Bat Voyager

2006-10-21 Thread Nick Danger
Reply to message sent 10/21/2006, @ 15:06:48 (3:06 PM Locally)
~~~

Hello Raymond,

 I installed this version
   when it was posted here by Max and it just seems to decay over time.

As I stated in am earlier post I had to bail on it also as it seemed
to lock up or at the very least grab way too much CPU time after a
couple hours of running.

I know that was it as whenever my machine started slowing to a crawl
if I went in and manually killed voyager.exe everything was back up to
speed immediately.

Have never seen that problem with 3.85.03

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Steven,

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

SPV The other three weeks I'm out of town and would love to use
SPV something like Voyager if it could contain a complete copy of what
SPV was in TB when I left, and then update TB to what's in Voyager when
SPV I return.

Just do a backup of what you want to copy across and then restore that
backup onto Voyager. Do the reverse when you get home.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Richard,

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:24:07 +0200 GMT (20/10/2006, 16:24 +0700 GMT),
Richard Wakeford wrote:

SPV The other three weeks I'm out of town and would love to use
SPV something like Voyager if it could contain a complete copy of what
SPV was in TB when I left, and then update TB to what's in Voyager when
SPV I return.

RW Just do a backup of what you want to copy across and then restore that
RW backup onto Voyager.

ACK.

RW Do the reverse when you get home.

Or: When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the messages on the
server. When you get back home, just download the messages as usual.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas,

 Or: When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the messages on the
 server. When you get back home, just download the messages as usual.

Nothing personal to you or anyone but, don't you guys think this thread
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello MAU,

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

M Nothing personal to you or anyone but, don't you guys think this thread
M belong in TBUDL and not in TBBeta?

That's a debatable one as Maxim asked folks to test 3.86.03 only 3 days
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas,

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

TF When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the messages on the
TF server. When you get back home, just download the messages as usual.

That's my preferred method. I do the same with TB! because it saves on
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Richard,

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:33:38 +0200 GMT (20/10/2006, 23:33 +0700 GMT),
Richard Wakeford wrote:

TF When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the messages on the
TF server. When you get back home, just download the messages as usual.

RW That's my preferred method. I do the same with TB! because it saves on
RW writing sent filters :-)

That's the case here too. But a wish is in the list:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas,

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

TF That's the case here too. But a wish is in the list:

Missed that one so have now added my support.

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Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Steven P Vallière
Thomas,

Friday, October 20, 2006, 11:20:15 AM, you wrote:

RW Do the reverse when you get home.

TF Or: When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the
TF messages on the server. When you get back home, just
TF download the messages as usual.

That's often three to four hundred messages PER DAY.
Not sure I want to download two to three THOUSAND
messages a second time -- especially since most are
SPAM.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Steven,

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

SPV especially since most are SPAM.

Try AntispamSniper. It deletes spam on the server and has a very high
accuracy rate for me. It also is designed to run with both TB! and
voyager.

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Easier administration tasks (was: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager)

2006-10-20 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Thomas,

on Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:47:48 +0700GMT, you wrote:

TF ... a wish is in the list:

TF https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319

This wish has somehow escaped my attention. Thanks for the reminder.
It belongs in the same category as
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6023, which asks for one
account properties manager for all accounts. Both would make
administration work with The Bat! much less cumbersome.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread MAU
Hello Richard,

M Nothing personal to you or anyone but, don't you guys think this thread
M belong in TBUDL and not in TBBeta?

 That's a debatable one as Maxim asked folks to test 3.86.03 only 3 days
 ago!

Everything is debatable my friend, even if beer is good or not ;)

But the message starting this thread was sent some 7 hours before Maxim
asked to test Voyayer 3.86.03 and provided a link to it. And the
'Activation limit' being discussed does not refer to something
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello MAU,

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

M But the message starting this thread was sent some 7 hours before Maxim
M asked to test Voyayer 3.86.03 and provided a link to it. And the
M 'Activation limit' being discussed does not refer to something
M introduced or changed in this beta.

Oh heck, should have known not to argue with you, you're always too much
on the ball :-)

In that case you are right, I think, on both counts. By the way, hope
your hand is better now.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Richard,

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:01:53 +0200 GMT (21/10/2006, 00:01 +0700 GMT),
Richard Wakeford wrote:

TF That's the case here too. But a wish is in the list:

RW Missed that one so have now added my support.

Thanks.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-19 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:12:35 +0700 GMT (18/10/2006, 08:12 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

So do I - but in those situations (Internet cafe) it's often the
only solution, simply because you are not allowed to run any
program file.

 That would be pretty boring. Sitting in an Internet Cafe, not
 being able to run any program file. ;-)

TF LOL! You can always enjoy a cup of coffee.

FWIW: I was out of town for two days. The internet cafe where I
checked my mail allowed running voyager.exe from the USB stick. They
have one of those systems that reinstall themselves after each user,
so that no files (including malware) are left on the computer after
the user logged off. I like that. It also guarantees that no personal
files can be viewed by a subsequent user, if I forget to delete them.

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Re[3]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-19 Thread Steven P Vallière
Vili,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 1:43:55 PM, you wrote:

 I agree, I myself wasn't aware of this limitation until
 it came up in this thread.

V I agree with Krzysztof also. Online users should be warned
V PRIOR the sale.

That only sounds fair, or at a minimum something in the
install procedure that tells you

   You have X activations remaining

I now know that I've used up two of mine just trying to
figure out what Voyager is and how to use it (a feat I've
yet to accomplish).  That's because I've found no manual
or documentation of any kind, except for the implication
that it is similar to TheBat! but with fewer features so
that it can be portable.  47 weeks a year I run TB on
my desktop at work 24x7.  The other three weeks I'm out
of town and would love to use something like Voyager if
it could contain a complete copy of what was in TB when
I left, and then update TB to what's in Voyager when I
return.  If there are docs for this, I'd love to find
them!  Sorry, not really on topic.  I'll be quiet now.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-18 Thread Krzysztof Kudlacik
On 06-10-17 (17:46), you wrote:
 I think that is enough.

IMVHO it is not enough.

 b.  RITs  sould  provide  some  explicit  and  user-friendy  procedure  of
 extending limitation in question.

 I can't see why one should need mor than 5 activations.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-17 Thread Raymund Tump
Hi Krzysztof!

 a.  users  of  Voyager  should  be warned about the limitation before they
 download software;

Ah, I got informed that I have 4 of my 5 activations left, when I
installed my Voyager. I think that is enough.

 b.  RITs  sould  provide  some  explicit  and  user-friendy  procedure  of
 extending limitation in question.

I can't see why one should need mor than 5 activations. Are you really
carrying your Bat on five different sticks around? How do you manage
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:19:06 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 14:19 +0700 GMT),
Peter Hampf wrote:

PH nothing to say against your arguments. For sure.

Thanks. As I know you know a lot about computers, this is an
appreciated compliment.

TF In what situations and on whose computers to you use Voyager?

PH On my laptop, on my office machine and on the machine of my mother-in-law,
PH where I have admin rights. ;)

LOL! Your mother-in-law trusts you that much? ;-)

PH But Truecrypt for example does not require admin rights, if it has been
PH installed once by an admin on the machine. You can mount drives even in user
PH mode.

That's interesting.

PH That does not solve the situation in internet cafes, though.

No, it won't. My back-up is the webmail, which I hate.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-17 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:47:53 +0200, Peter Hampf wrote:

My back-up is the webmail, which I hate.

So do I - but in those situations (Internet cafe) it's often the
only solution, simply because you are not allowed to run any
program file.

That would be pretty boring. Sitting in an Internet Cafe, not
being able to run any program file. ;-)

Anyway, for what it's worth: Forte Agent is the perfect portable
solution for mailing in an Internet Cafe. No problems with
registry settings or activation limitations whatsoever. The only
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-17 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:01:30 +0200, Peter Hampf wrote:

 Anyway, for what it's worth: Forte Agent is the perfect
 portable solution for mailing in an Internet Cafe.

 Have you ever tried it in cafes with the above mentioned
 restrictions? Good luck!

That's one of the two reasons why I wrote: for what it's worth.


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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Arjan,

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:42:00 +0200 GMT (18/10/2006, 01:42 +0700 GMT),
Arjan de Groot wrote:

So do I - but in those situations (Internet cafe) it's often the
only solution, simply because you are not allowed to run any
program file.

 That would be pretty boring. Sitting in an Internet Cafe, not
 being able to run any program file. ;-)

LOL! You can always enjoy a cup of coffee.

AdG Anyway, for what it's worth: Forte Agent is the perfect portable
AdG solution for mailing in an Internet Cafe. No problems with
AdG registry settings or activation limitations whatsoever. The only
AdG thing needed is an agent.ini file with a valid registration key
AdG in it.

If they allow you to run Forte from a stick, then Voyager will also
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Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Vili
Hello Krzysztof,

 That  means  that  the  same  key  was  used  to activate Voyager 5(?)
 Yes.
 times... It can be an _indication_ of software piracy.
 I know It's probably reason to make this limitation.
 Contact Ritlabs and explain the situation asking to extend the
 activation number...
 Hmmm  ...  that's  right,  but  it  takes  time  and  depands  on  manual
 intervention of RITs... very uncomfortable.

What  is  uncomfortable  in  it?  If you should go and mine rock, that
would be uncomfortable, I think :)))

You have used up your 5 chances. It is also uncomfortable for Ritlabs.
But  if  you  know  a better way to handle users who activates Voyager
more  than  5 times, please explain that. I dont...

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Krzysztof Kudlacik
On 2006-10-15 (19:57), you wrote:
 What  is  uncomfortable  in  it? 

Necessity  to make a plenty of manual intervetions - first: user must send
a  message  with description, next RITs must evaluate this, next RITs must
reset  'counter'  per  user to offer next activation. More: RITs must have
very  detailed  database  per every sold Voyager. More: user BEFORE buying
should  be  warned  about  this  very  crucial limitation etc. More: let's
suppose failure of RITs database with counters. More: let's suppose - some
lazy guy in RITs who refuse to reset counter for days... etc.

Should be enough, don't you think?

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krzysztof,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:38:48 +0200 GMT (16/10/2006, 22:38 +0700 GMT),
Krzysztof Kudlacik wrote:

 What  is  uncomfortable  in  it? 

KK Necessity  to make a plenty of manual intervetions - first: user must send
[...]

I think I'm with Vili on this one. A limitation makes sense. The
question is whether 5 is enough. A registered user of TB Pro can use
Voyager on five USB sticks. I don't know the market out there - Do
people usually need more? Or is it the exception, so that manually
resetting is a once-in-a-blue-moon requirement?

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Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Vili
Hello Krzysztof,

 What  is  uncomfortable  in  it?
 Necessity to make a plenty of manual intervetions - first: user must
 send  a message with description, next RITs must evaluate this, next
 RITs  must  reset 'counter' per user to offer next activation. More:
 RITs  must have very detailed database per every sold Voyager. More:
 user  BEFORE  buying  should  be  warned  about  this  very  crucial
 limitation  etc.  More:  let's suppose failure of RITs database with
 counters.  More: let's suppose - some lazy guy in RITs who refuse to
 reset counter for days... etc. Should be enough, don't you think?

If Ritlabs saves with it on software piracy, it is worth doing it. The
Bat!  codes  came  up on the internet, I am glad they start to protect
their intellectual property.

Before  anybody  reminds  me  that  I am a TB dealer: it does not have
anything to do with it. It does not make any change in our income.

It does have more with my (professional) hobby, software writing. Many
people  forgets  that it is a job. E.g. plumber came, I had to pay for
him  fixing  the  sink. Ah, you are a programmer It took me more
time  to  fix  his PC than to fix my sink, and he was surprised when I
gave  him  a bill, and not working free... (Same amount he has charged
to  repair  the  sink..)  Show me another job nowadays that gives that
many free stuff away than programming...

Sorry, if you feel it is OT, I just wanted to protect Ritlabs point of
view.  However,  I have to agree with you and I do it myself: I remind
TB! Prof buyers that Voyager has a limited activation number.

PS.:  If you use up your 5 chances, I think RL can ask you without any
prejudgment, to give them the explanation about the 5 licenses. (Other
software companies draw the line at 3 license normally... or 1.)

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Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Vili
Hello Thomas,

 What  is  uncomfortable  in  it?
KK Necessity  to make a plenty of manual intervetions - first: user must send
 [...]
 I think I'm with Vili on this one. A limitation makes sense. The
 question is whether 5 is enough. A registered user of TB Pro can use
 Voyager on five USB sticks. I don't know the market out there - Do
 people usually need more?

See from another viewpont: 1 USB stick at a time, and you can ask 5
licenses because:
- deinstalled, reinstalled
- FLASH broke down, reinstall on another one
- dog ate FLASH, reinstall on another one
- FLASH fall into fish tank, reinstall on another one
etc.

The
- Mom use it
- Dad use it
- Sis use it
- Bro use it
- I use it
and now the dog would like to use it... ehhh... this would not be a
good excuse for me to give the user a 6th license :))

If  it  adds  something  to  the  statistics:  no  Hungarian user ever
reported  to  me  that  they  used up the 5 licenses... Not even small
companies with 1-user license purchased...

Believe me, Ritlabs has a very liberal licensing scheme.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Vili,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:43:26 -0400 GMT (16/10/2006, 23:43 +0700 GMT),
Vili wrote:

V If  it  adds  something  to  the  statistics:  no  Hungarian user ever
V reported  to  me  that  they  used up the 5 licenses... Not even small
V companies with 1-user license purchased...

That's what I was thinking. No dog or fish tank over here. (English is
weired: I don't have a dog tank either.)

V Believe me, Ritlabs has a very liberal licensing scheme.

I'm planning to upgrade to a 2GB stick. That would be number two. It
will take me a few years to get to number five. But I am only one user
out of many, so only Ritlabs can tell whether they receive many
requests for extension. I am sure they will extend the standard number
of licences if they get too many requests. Nothing to worry about,
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Krzysztof Kudlacik
On 2006-10-16 (17:51), you wrote:
  A limitation makes sense.

No doubt, it makes sens. I don't deny it. I only suggest two ponits:
a.  users  of  Voyager  should  be warned about the limitation before they
download software;
b.  RITs  sould  provide  some  explicit  and  user-friendy  procedure  of
extending limitation in question.

None of above is satisfied now.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krzysztof,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:23:10 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 00:23 +0700 GMT),
Krzysztof Kudlacik wrote:

  A limitation makes sense.

KK No doubt, it makes sens. I don't deny it. I only suggest two ponits:
KK a.  users  of  Voyager  should  be warned about the limitation before they
KK download software;

I agree, I myself wasn't aware of this limitation until it came up in
this thread.

KK b.  RITs  sould  provide  some  explicit  and  user-friendy  procedure  of
KK extending limitation in question.

That's a problem. If it is too easy, piracy would be rampant.

KK None of above is satisfied now.

It's always a compromise.

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Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Vili
Hello Thomas,

  A limitation makes sense.
KK No doubt, it makes sens. I don't deny it. I only suggest two ponits:
KK a.  users  of  Voyager  should  be warned about the limitation before they
KK download software;
 I agree, I myself wasn't aware of this limitation until it came up in
 this thread.

I agree with Krzysztof also. Online users should be warned PRIOR the sale.

KK b.  RITs  sould  provide  some  explicit  and  user-friendy  procedure  of
KK extending limitation in question.
 That's a problem. If it is too easy, piracy would be rampant.
KK None of above is satisfied now.
 It's always a compromise.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Peter,

on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:03:29 +0200GMT, you wrote:

PH This is not a solution for Ritlabs, but a solution for the user:

PH I use Voyager on a virtual drive. Software that provides encrypted virtual
PH discs are for example Ritlabs Thebat Private Disk or Truecrypt.

PH Now I'm going to make a backup copy of the virtual discs image. And whenever
PH I change my USB stick, I simply copy this backup to it and am ready to go,
PH whithout the neccessity of a new activation.

Have you ever actually *tried* this? AFAIK, Voyager depends on the
volume-ID of the particular drive. If it's different from the previous
one, a new activation is required.

A little workaround was presented here on TBBeta in the thread
starting with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Peter,

on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:03:47 +0200GMT, you wrote:

PM AFAIK, Voyager depends on the volume-ID of the particular drive. If it's
PM different from the previous one, a new activation is required.

PH Correct. But the VolId does not change when mounting the virtual disc, no
PH matter which stick, HD, DVD ... etc. holds it.

OIC. This is indeed the most elegant solution! :)

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Re[4]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Vili
Hello Peter,

V You have used up your 5 chances. It is also uncomfortable for Ritlabs.
V But  if  you  know  a better way to handle users who activates Voyager
V more  than  5 times, please explain that. I dont...
 This is not a solution for Ritlabs, but a solution for the user:
 I use Voyager on a virtual drive. Software that provides encrypted virtual
 discs are for example Ritlabs Thebat Private Disk or Truecrypt.
 Now I'm going to make a backup copy of the virtual discs image. And whenever
 I change my USB stick, I simply copy this backup to it and am ready to go,
 whithout the neccessity of a new activation.

I  dont  get  it...  If  it  is  a  virtual  drive, a software must be
installed  on  the  host PC, right? But then you have to carry/install
the  VD  software  into  all  PCs  you  are  using,  and install prior
Voyager... right?

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Vili,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 1:22:23 PM, you wrote:
 I dont get it... If it is a virtual drive, a software must be
 installed on the host PC, right? But then you have to carry/install
 the VD software into all PCs you are using, and install prior
 Voyager... right?

Portable Freeware yumminess! Bookmark this site, grab the RSS feed
etc.. You're gonna want to remember this place. I love these guys. The
only problem is that you have to keep buying bigger USB sticks to fit
all the greats apps reviewed here.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:39:38 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 04:39 +0700 GMT),
Peter Hampf wrote:

PH You can carry the VD software on the USB stick as well as the image. You
PH call it from there and mount the virtual drive. That's it.

PH The only drawback is that you usually need admin rights to mount the
PH virtual drive.

So you can only use it on insecure computers? - I use Voyager when
travelling (that's the whole purpose of it, I think). In internet
cafes, often enough they won't let me run an .exe file from the stick,
let alone mount a drive. On other people's office computers, I am
often enough allowed to run the .exe, but I don't think they'd be two
happy if I tried mounting drives etc. If they let external people have
admit rights, the sysad should, well, change his job. Become the
paperboy or so.

In what situations and on whose computers to you use Voyager?

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Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-15 Thread Krzysztof Kudlacik

'Activation  Limit  Exceeded' error during activation of Voyager... How to
deal with this situation?

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-15 Thread Vili
Hello Krzysztof,

 'Activation  Limit  Exceeded' error during activation of Voyager... How to
 deal with this situation?

That  means  that  the  same  key  was  used  to activate Voyager 5(?)
times... It can be an _indication_ of software piracy. Contact Ritlabs
and explain the situation asking to extend the activation number...

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-15 Thread Krzysztof Kudlacik
On 2006-10-15 (16:47), you wrote:
 That  means  that  the  same  key  was  used  to activate Voyager 5(?)

Yes.

 times... It can be an _indication_ of software piracy.

I know It's probably reason to make this limitation.

 Contact Ritlabs and explain the situation asking to extend the
 activation number...

Hmmm  ...  that's  right,  but  it  takes  time  and  depands  on  manual
intervention of RITs... very uncomfortable.

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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager

2006-10-15 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Ian A. White  everyone else,

on 15-Okt-2006 at 23:04 you (Ian A. White) wrote:

 When was activation introduced?

IIRC it was part of the Voyager installation right from the start,
because Voyager doesn't write to the registry of the local machine (or
at least it shouldn't:-) it cannot store its registration data there.

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3.86.03 ALPHA: Wish: Voyager

2006-10-14 Thread Vili
Could we get a Voyager built with the new Delphi version, also?

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Re: Voyager: Connection problem

2006-09-26 Thread Paul Meathrel
Hi Vili,

Tuesday, September 26, 2006, 3:13:09 AM, you wrote:
 If connection is lost, it is impossible to
 Delete a task
 Abort
 the whole mail download process. The CC just hang on, no task is
 deleted from the queque.

I can report that I've experience similar problems from time to time
with various builds of TB, however this is with TB Pro rather than
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Voyager: Connection problem

2006-09-25 Thread Vili
Hello tbbeta,

If connection is lost, it is impossible to
Delete a task
Abort
the whole mail download process. The CC just hang on, no task is
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Re: Any updates for Voyager?

2006-09-13 Thread Miroslav Florensen
Hello Martin,
 
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/voyager_install-3-85-03.exe

Voyager writes further registry entries ...
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Re: Any updates for Voyager?

2006-09-13 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Miroslav,

on  Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:04:08 +0200GMT (13.09.2006, 17:04 +0200GMT here),
Miroslav Florensen wrote:

MF http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/voyager_install-3-85-03.exe

Hey, thanks for finding it.

MF Voyager writes further registry entries ...
MF http://thebat.zetema.de/download_voyager.html

Yes it does. :-( http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5515

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Re: Any updates for Voyager?

2006-09-10 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Martin,

on  Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:04:05 +0200GMT (10.09.2006, 10:04 +0200GMT here),
you, Martin Schoch, wrote:

MS Is there also any updated Voyager? On the download page of Ritlabs the
MS version information about Voyager says v.3.80.04 - but as you see
MS the version I am using seems to be newer...

AFAIK, 3.81.14 is the latest version. It is not on the download page,
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Re[3]: Voyager wish...

2006-08-29 Thread Paul Van Noord
8/29/2006  6:18 AM

Hi Vili,

On 8/24/2006 Vili wrote:

V Extra:  I  am  a  keyboard person. I start V and I DONT have to
V focus on that password field... I have to click on that field first to
V enter the password. Confirmations?

The focus is there. A flashing cursor is not there. I like it like
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Re[4]: Voyager wish...

2006-08-29 Thread Vili
Hello Paul,

V Extra:  I  am  a  keyboard person. I start V and I DONT have to
V focus on that password field... I have to click on that field first to
V enter the password. Confirmations?
 The focus is there. A flashing cursor is not there. I like it like
 that.

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Re: Voyager wish...

2006-08-29 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Paul,

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:19:40 -0400 GMT (29/08/2006, 17:19 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

V Extra:  I  am  a  keyboard person. I start V and I DONT have to
V focus on that password field... I have to click on that field first to
V enter the password. Confirmations?

PVN The focus is there. A flashing cursor is not there. I like it like
PVN that.

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Re: View Modes in Voyager Broken (was Re: Pre-defined View modes do not work!)

2006-08-27 Thread Peter Meyns
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on Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:45:00 +0100GMT, you wrote:

S I am finding that the 'View Modes' function seems completely broken.

S Applying a new VM makes no difference to the folder.  Saving
S changes to a view mode, although prompted for, makes no difference.

S The VM applied seems to be the 'Generic' across every folder,
S regardless of what you tell it to do.  Therefore I have adjusted
S this 'View' to something a little more useable.

Set the Global View Mode to none. Now your custom view modes should
work for their folders. This applies here for The Bat! as well as
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Re: View Modes in Voyager Broken (was Re: Pre-defined View modes do not work!)

2006-08-27 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Simon,

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

S When I look at my TB set-up the Global View is set to None, I didn't
S change it when installing Voyager.

I don't think Voyager takes any of your TB! settings as it's totally
independent and doesn't use the registry at all (apart from one spurious
entry of which a great deal has been talked in the last few days).

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Re: View Modes in Voyager Broken (was Re: Pre-defined View modes do not work!)

2006-08-27 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Richard,

on Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:05:57 +0200GMT, you wrote:

S When I look at my TB set-up the Global View is set to None, I didn't
S change it when installing Voyager.

RW I don't think Voyager takes any of your TB! settings...

It certainly does - and should - when you install Voyager with a
backup of TB!. Here it did, and very fine at that. :)

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Re: View Modes in Voyager Broken (was Re: Pre-defined View modes do not work!)

2006-08-27 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Peter,

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

PM It certainly does - and should - when you install Voyager with a
PM backup of TB!.

Agreed, it's the way I keep my two versions in sync too, but the OP made
no mention of backup so I presumed he was installing and expecting the
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Re: View Modes in Voyager Broken (was Re: Pre-defined View modes do not work!)

2006-08-27 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Simon,

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

S Oh no it wasn't that; I didn't use a backup and didn't expect
S settings to be carried over

OK, I misunderstood you meaning of When I look at my TB set-up the
Global View is set to None, I didn't change it when installing
Voyager.

Glad it's all working fine now. I've just lost my 2Gbyte USB drive. Came
home from my Dad's with it last week and can't find it anywhere now so
have had to temporarily (I hope) install Voyager on my spare 1Gbyte USB.

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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-25 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Thomas,

on Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:15:28 +0700GMT, you wrote:

TF Guys, can you post the complete batch file here again? There are
TF fragments all over the thread, it's a bit confusing.

TF The batch file would then be on the stick and I'd click on it instead
TF of the voyager.exe when I want to start working on other people's
TF computers, right?

Not quite. I start Voyager normally, but for exiting I run
voyager_exit.bat to close Voyager and delete the registry entry.

voyager_exit.bat

path\to\voyager.exe /exit
regedit /S path\to\voyager_key_ex.reg

The following file must be present for the removal of the registry
key:

voyager_key_ex.reg

REGEDIT4

[-HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\Voyager]

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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:23:38 +0200 GMT (25/08/2006, 14:23 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

TF The batch file would then be on the stick and I'd click on it instead
TF of the voyager.exe when I want to start working on other people's
TF computers, right?

PM Not quite. I start Voyager normally, but for exiting I run
PM voyager_exit.bat to close Voyager and delete the registry entry.

You mean you start this batch file after you have closed Voyager, or
will it start automtically? I am not familiar with the switch /exit.

PM voyager_exit.bat

PM path\to\voyager.exe /exit
PM regedit /S path\to\voyager_key_ex.reg

The drive letter for the USB changes, depending on how many drives are
defined on the host computer. Voyager is by default located at
usb_drive:\voyager\voyager.exe. But usb_drive: can be d: on some
computers, g: on others, etc. Therefore, the path is not clearly
defined.

PM The following file must be present for the removal of the registry
PM key:

PM voyager_key_ex.reg

Where? In the Voyager directory of the USB stick?

PM REGEDIT4

PM [-HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\Voyager]

PM That's all. :)

Not yet. :-) What I would like is a batch file in the root directory
of the USB stick. I click on this file, Voyager starts, and upon exit
the reg-key is removed. Is that possible?

The reason I suggest it to be in the root directory of the USB stick
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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-25 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Thomas,

on Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:39:57 +0700GMT, you wrote:

[confused]

I'll try to be more precise. You can have a BAT file in your root
directory to start Voyager. It needs only one line:

Voyager\voyager.exe

(I assume voyager.exe sits in a directory named Voyager, as it does
here. It is important for the relative path. The drive letter doesn't
matter.) Save the text as voyager_start.bat. You can now start
Voyager by double clicking this file. For exiting and deleting the
registry key you need another batch file and a REG file. The REG file
contains this:

REGEDIT4

[-HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\Voyager]

Save it as voyager_delkey.reg. In order not to clutter my root
directory unnecessarily, I saved it in the Voyager directory. My
batch file for exiting will contain the relative path.

It has two lines:

Voyager\voyager.exe /exit
regedit /S Voyager\voyager_delkey.reg

Save this as voyager_exit.bat and double click it for exiting
Voyager.

I hope this was more comprehensible.

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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Vili,

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:03:13 -0400 GMT (24/08/2006, 00:03 +0700 GMT),
Vili wrote:

V Hello Peter,

 since Voyager adds a registry entry to the host machine every time the
 spell checker is involved (see

Voyager shouldn't do that; agreed. But it does, and you offer a
workaround:

V Create a .bat file, content:
V regedit /s voyager_key_ex.reg

V The .bat file should be in the same directory where your
V voyager_key_ex.reg . Run the .bat file.

This will probably work (not tested). But if it is too troublesome for
Ritlabs to look through all the code to prevent registry entries,
could Voyager just delete them upon closing? That would be an
easy-to-implement (not to say dirty, but hey) way to prevent Voyager
from at least leaving those tell-tale entries on other people's
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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Peter Meyns
This is my third attempt at sending this message. The last two
bounced...

Hi Leif,

on  Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:58:51 -0600GMT (23.08.2006, 18:58 +0200GMT here),
Leif Gregory wrote:

LG Create a batch file with the following (minus the lines):
LG ---
LG regedit /S del_voyager.reg
LG ---

LG Where del_voyager.reg is your registry thing you did.

Thank you and Vili and Raymund. This works pretty well. :)

LG Then when you are ready to do it, just type in the name of the .bat
LG file and it will do it silently. The key is the /S. You could even
LG launch TB from the USB key via a .bat file where that line above is
LG the last line of the batch file, so it's a one-stop-shop.

I already use a batch file for starting Voyager, because for whatever
reason, the MyGate plugin doesn't start MyGate on some machines, so I
start it along with Voyager. However, using the REG file here, only
cleans the registry on startup, which usually isn't necessary. I need
it when Voyager is closed.

BTW, is there a way to close Voyager with a batch file? I searched
quite a lot, but the only suggestion that came near to it, was to use
taskkill.exe - only available on WinXP, so it is not an option.

The best solution would be that Ritlabs implemented the cleaning of
the registry on exiting Voyager, if it is not possible to avoid the
use of the registry altogether.

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Re[2]: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Vili
Hello Thomas,

V Create a .bat file, content:
V regedit /s voyager_key_ex.reg
V The .bat file should be in the same directory where your
V voyager_key_ex.reg . Run the .bat file.
 This will probably work (not tested).

It DOES work :) I dont sent untested stuff here, to professionals :))

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Re[3]: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Vili
Hello Peter,

 ,- [ voyager_key_ex.reg ]
 | REGEDIT4
 | 
 | [-HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\Voyager]
 `-
 /.../
V Create a .bat file, content:
V regedit /s voyager_key_ex.reg
 Why not simply create ONE file (v_del.bat) with this content:
 reg delete HKCU\Software\Rit\Voyager /f nul 21
 There is no need for a .reg file to be imported by regedit.

If you says so... :)


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Voyager wish...

2006-08-24 Thread Vili
Hello tbbeta,

I try to carefully address my wish... :)) I know, it is against the
security implemented in Voyager, but if I want to kill myself, maybe
I should be let to do that: it would be convenient for me to start up
Voyager with a command line parameter like:
... voyager.exe /p:masterpassword
so, I should not type in my master password every time...

I know, if I lose my flash, my data would be accessible... I know
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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Vili,

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:00:16 -0400 GMT (24/08/2006, 20:00 +0700 GMT),
Vili wrote:

 This will probably work (not tested).

V It DOES work :) I dont sent untested stuff here, to professionals :))

I didn't doubt that! :-)

But my point was that Voyager should do that, without the necessity of
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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Peter,

Thursday, August 24, 2006, 7:10:52 AM, you wrote:
 Why not simply create ONE file (v_del.bat) with this content:
 reg delete HKCU\Software\Rit\Voyager /f nul 21
 There is no need for a .reg file to be imported by regedit.

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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Peter,

on  Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:10:52 +0200GMT (24.08.2006, 15:10 +0200GMT here),
Peter Hampf wrote:

 ,- [ voyager_key_ex.reg ]
 | REGEDIT4
 | 
 | [-HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\Voyager]
 `-
PH /.../
V Create a .bat file, content:
V regedit /s voyager_key_ex.reg

PH Why not simply create ONE file (v_del.bat) with this content:

PH reg delete HKCU\Software\Rit\Voyager /f nul 21

PH There is no need for a .reg file to be imported by regedit.

I tried this, but it doesn't work. I also tried HKEY_CURRENT_USER
instead of HCKU, but to no avail. What are the parameters supposed to
do?

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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Peter,

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:49:31 +0200GMT (24-8-2006, 14:49 , where I
live), you wrote:

PM BTW, is there a way to close Voyager with a batch file?

As you can close TB by running the executable with the /exit
parameter, I tried that with voyager and afterwards in a batch file
and it works just fine.
I used a batch file with only
voyager /exit
and started that from voyager's programdir.

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Re: Voyager wish...

2006-08-24 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Vili,

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:17:57 -0400GMT (24-8-2006, 15:17 , where I
live), you wrote:

V Voyager with a command line parameter like:
V ... voyager.exe /p:masterpassword
V so, I should not type in my master password every time...

In that case why don't you use an empty password, I've never tried
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Re[2]: Voyager wish...

2006-08-24 Thread Vili
Hello Roelof,

V Voyager with a command line parameter like:
V ... voyager.exe /p:masterpassword
V so, I should not type in my master password every time...
 In that case why don't you use an empty password, I've never tried
 that, but I heard that it worked.

1. That would be an extra hit on the Enter :)

2. Not a safe method :))) (Yeah, then why is that wish for?).
So, I would like to put shortcuts ONLY on the PCs, I use with V. That
would have the extra /p switch. So, if the password is nothing and I
lose the key, data can be accessed. But if I have the shortcut only on
my PCs, then someone needs the USB key AND one of the PCs (shortcut)
to access my mails...

Extra:  I  am  a  keyboard person. I start V and I DONT have to
focus on that password field... I have to click on that field first to
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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Roelof,

on Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:55:45 +0200GMT, you wrote:

PM BTW, is there a way to close Voyager with a batch file?

RO As you can close TB by running the executable with the /exit
RO parameter, I tried that with voyager and afterwards in a batch file
RO and it works just fine.
RO I used a batch file with only
RO voyager /exit
RO and started that from voyager's programdir.

That's what I was looking for! I combined it with the registry
cleaning and it works perfectly. Thanks a lot Roelof! :)

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Re: Voyager wish...

2006-08-24 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Vili,

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

V I have to click on that field first to enter the password.
V Confirmations?

Not here. I'm just back from using Voyager at my Dad's house and, when
the password box comes up, just type straight away without having to
select it. In fact I've just done it here now to verify it and it's
probably the fact that there's no flashing cursor that makes you think
you have to select the box.

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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Peter,

on Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:38:24 +0200GMT, you wrote:

PM I tried this, but it doesn't work.
PH /.../
PM OS: Windows 2000, v.5.0,Build 2195

PH Oh ... maybe reg.exe is not part of Windows 2000?!

PH At least since Win XP it is located in %windir%\system32. If it is missing
PH at your system, you can think about using the suggested method with two
PH files, or simply install JPSOFTs 4NT as a replacement for cmd.exe an use the
PH internal function @REGDELKEY[HKEY...\key].

Ok. Since my query was for Voyager, which should run on as many platforms as
possible, this is not an option. Thank you all the same. I'll check it
out on my home computer running WinXP, when I'll be back from a 2
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Re[2]: Voyager wish...

2006-08-24 Thread Vili
Hello Richard,

V I have to click on that field first to enter the password.
V Confirmations?
 Not here. I'm just back from using Voyager at my Dad's house and, when
 the password box comes up, just type straight away without having to
 select it. In fact I've just done it here now to verify it and it's
 probably the fact that there's no flashing cursor that makes you think
 you have to select the box.

True... My mistake :(((

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Re: Voyager wish...

2006-08-24 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Vili  everyone else,

on 24-Aug-2006 at 19:27 you (Vili) wrote:

 True... My mistake :(((

voice of Nelson Muntz HA-HA /voice of Nelson Muntz

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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:16:32 +0200 GMT (24/08/2006, 23:16 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

RO voyager /exit
RO and started that from voyager's programdir.

PM That's what I was looking for! I combined it with the registry
PM cleaning and it works perfectly. Thanks a lot Roelof! :)

Guys, can you post the complete batch file here again? There are
fragments all over the thread, it's a bit confusing.

The batch file would then be on the stick and I'd click on it instead
of the voyager.exe when I want to start working on other people's
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Re: Voyager bugfix for SmartPad

2006-08-23 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Maxim,

on  Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:13:21 +0300GMT (23.08.2006, 00:13 +0200GMT here),
Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM If you did use Voyager and had bugs with SmartPad, please try the
MM bugfixed version
MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/voyager_beta14.rar
MM which is actually 3.81.14 BETA

I don't use SmartPad, but I appreciate the new version anyway, as the
maintenance center's scrollbar bug is also fixed. Thank you! :)

Too bad, Voyager still writes to the registry... :(

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Voyager and the registry

2006-08-23 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi all,

since Voyager adds a registry entry to the host machine every time the
spell checker is involved (see
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5515 ), I decided to create a
REG file that deletes the entry, because I don't want to leave any
traces on a friend's machine. This was easy and it works:

,- [ voyager_key_ex.reg ]
| REGEDIT4
| 
| [-HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\Voyager]
`-

However, is there a way to get rid of the two pop up boxes, one to
confirm that I want the registry change and the other to say the
change has been made?

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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-23 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Peter,

Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 10:03:18 AM, you wrote:
 However, is there a way to get rid of the two pop up boxes, one to
 confirm that I want the registry change and the other to say the
 change has been made?

Yep..

Create a batch file with the following (minus the lines):
---
regedit /S del_voyager.reg
---

Where del_voyager.reg is your registry thing you did.

Then when you are ready to do it, just type in the name of the .bat
file and it will do it silently. The key is the /S. You could even
launch TB from the USB key via a .bat file where that line above is
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Re: Voyager and the registry

2006-08-23 Thread Vili
Hello Peter,

 since Voyager adds a registry entry to the host machine every time the
 spell checker is involved (see
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5515 ), I decided to create a
 REG file that deletes the entry, because I don't want to leave any
 traces on a friend's machine. This was easy and it works:
 ,- [ voyager_key_ex.reg ]
 | REGEDIT4
 | 
 | [-HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\Voyager]
 `-
 However, is there a way to get rid of the two pop up boxes, one to
 confirm that I want the registry change and the other to say the
 change has been made?

Create a .bat file, content:
regedit /s voyager_key_ex.reg

The .bat file should be in the same directory where your
voyager_key_ex.reg . Run the .bat file.

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Voyager bugfix for SmartPad

2006-08-22 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Tbbeta,

  If you did use Voyager and had bugs with SmartPad, please try the bugfixed 
version http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/voyager_beta14.rar 
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Voyager: 3.80.04 version, SmartBat

2006-08-16 Thread Vili
Hello tbbeta,

I have the public version, and I have two annoying things in SmartBat.
(Is there a Voyager Beta out there?)

1.  Sometimes I cannot change between tabs. I click on the name of the
next Tab, nothing happens...

2. I write something in it, and press Esc. Data was not saved. Would
you like to abandon changes?. If I hit Yes, that actually saves the
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Re: Voyager: 3.80.04 version, SmartBat

2006-08-16 Thread Nick Danger
Reply to message sent 08/16/2006, @ 11:01:39 (10:01 AM Locally)
~~~

Hello Vili,

 I have the public version, and I have two annoying things in SmartBat.
 (Is there a Voyager Beta out there?)

Not that I've been privy to.

 1.  Sometimes I cannot change between tabs. I click on the name of the
 next Tab, nothing happens...

Yep, if you make any changes to a file you will not be able to tab
away from it.

 2. I write something in it, and press Esc. Data was not saved. Would
 you like to abandon changes?. If I hit Yes, that actually saves the
 data...

Also confirmed. When I first mentioned this months ago I was told it
was being taken care of but there has not been Voyager release since
then so I have no confirmation of that.

Not a show stopper, but annoying as heck. Especially since I use that
wacky little thing (Smartbat) quite a bit.

-- 
ò.ó Nick
 Danger

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[OS: Windows XP 5 1]





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Re[2]: Voyager: 3.80.04 version, SmartBat

2006-08-16 Thread Vili
Hello Nick,

 1.  Sometimes I cannot change between tabs. I click on the name of the
 next Tab, nothing happens...
 Yep, if you make any changes to a file you will not be able to tab
 away from it.
 2. I write something in it, and press Esc. Data was not saved. Would
 you like to abandon changes?. If I hit Yes, that actually saves the
 data...
 Also confirmed. When I first mentioned this months ago I was told it
 was being taken care of but there has not been Voyager release since
 then so I have no confirmation of that.
 Not a show stopper, but annoying as heck. Especially since I use that
 wacky little thing (Smartbat) quite a bit.

I use it a lot, too... I ask for a beta as it is annoying.

-- 
Vili



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Re: Quite OT: Voyager activation

2006-08-13 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Jernej,

on  Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:59:32 +0200GMT (12.08.2006, 17:59 +0200GMT here),
you, Jernej Simončič, wrote:

JS Volume serial number is stored in the boot sector, and it's usually written
JS when the disk is formatted.

Thanks a lot Jernej! But before changing the volume ID, I'd like to
know the existing one. Where can I find it? I tried and searched on
Win XP and on Kanotix, but to no avail.

-- 
Cheers
Peter

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Re: Quite OT: Voyager activation

2006-08-13 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Sunday, August 13, 2006, 15:30:34, Peter Meyns wrote:

 Thanks a lot Jernej! But before changing the volume ID, I'd like to
 know the existing one. Where can I find it? I tried and searched on
 Win XP and on Kanotix, but to no avail.

Just type VOL drive: in command prompt.

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Re: Quite OT: Voyager activation

2006-08-13 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Jernej,

on  Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:44:44 +0200GMT (13.08.2006, 16:44 +0200GMT here),
you, Jernej Simončič, wrote:

JS On Sunday, August 13, 2006, 15:30:34, Peter Meyns wrote:

 Thanks a lot Jernej! But before changing the volume ID, I'd like to
 know the existing one. Where can I find it? I tried and searched on
 Win XP and on Kanotix, but to no avail.

JS Just type VOL drive: in command prompt.

Thank you! I got it at the third try! :)

,- [ commandline ]
| Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
| (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
| 
| C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\PeterVOL drive
| 
| Das System kann das angegebene Laufwerk nicht finden.
| 
| C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Petervol drive e:
| 
| Das System kann das angegebene Laufwerk nicht finden.
| Folgender Fehler trat auf: drive.
|  Datenträger in Laufwerk E: ist USB 128MB
|  Volumeseriennummer: -
| 
| C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Petervol e:
|  Datenträger in Laufwerk E: ist USB 128MB
|  Volumeseriennummer: -
| 
| C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Peter
`-

That's a volume number I can remember... :rofl:

-- 
Cheers
Peter

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