Re: Block selection types (was: Auto-indent)

[Allie Martin]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:04:48 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote:

> On the top right hand side, this is what _I_ see:

>Blocks
>- Persistent blocks

This option restricts you to being able to delete selected blocks of
text only via the Edit|delete menu option. The delete key will not work.
:) I guess it's a safe-guard of sorts for those who tend to accidentally
deselect their selected text.

>- Overwrite blocks

This is the switch that when enabled, allows you to delete a selected
block of text by simply starting to type within it.

The setup that most people are used to is 'persistent blocks' disabled
and 'overwrite blocks' enabled.

>Pasting different block types
>  - skip prompt
>  - adjust automatically

I have no idea what these options are about. I have experimented and
can't seem to detect what they do.

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Re: Auto-Indent (was:Re: Newbie now on list...)

[Allie Martin]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:24:40 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote:

>   Another thing I noticed, is that when you turn auto-format off from
>   the new message menu under Utilities, it only turns auto-format off in
>   that one paragraph.

>   As soon as you start another paragraph, the auto-format option is back
>   on again. Is that the way it was meant to be?

Actually the autoformat switch via the editor window will
disable/enable auto-formatting for the entire message. This means that for
each message, you may disable/enable it and it will remain
disabled/enabled until you change the setting again it.

The Editor preferences switch is a default switch.

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[tracer]

Hello Keith Russell,
I ran today that doskick and the dates are wrongly reset...
I havent yet looked closely whats happening but  something isnt
working the way it should. How silly it may sound, I think it or
better the compiler must have been hit by the Y2K bug...
I have to check later if there is any system in the results I see but
if its the compiler, not much I can do except retire the program!

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Re[2]: Unable to read "untitled.msg" attachments (? from Novell Grpwise)

[tracer]

Hello Allie Martin,
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:34:40  -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 6:34:40 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:

Allie> On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:17:18 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote:

(snip)
Allie> I remember a problem like that which I had in my OS/2 days. I used to
Allie> run a shell enhancement app called X-it and PMMail was my e-mail client.
Allie> Whenever I had X-it running and opened PMMail, PMMail's interface would go
Allie> berserk. The interesting thing was that this did not occur with earlier
Allie> versions of PMMail. Well IMHO at the time, the logical move was to write
Allie> to the PMMail developers who told me that they knew about it and the
Allie> problem was with X-it and that I should ask the X-it developers about it.

Allie> I wrote to the X-it developers only to be told that the problem was
Allie> with PMMail. Needless to say, at this point I was pissed. I ended up being
Allie> the mediator of a technical exchange on whose fault it was (did I really
Allie> care at the time? .. NO!). The X-it developers ended up being the
Allie> one's to fix things. I'll never know if they simply were practicing what
Allie> you preach Tom, but as the software user, I didn't really care; I was only
Allie> happy. :-/
.This attitude of different suppliers has always existed from the very
first computers.
One of the reasons when building mainframes we got as much as possible
all the parts from the same place to avoid this shuffle why something
doesnt work.

However in this case it seems to me that Novel should be told they
have a bug or a secret feature.
On the other hand, arent programs reading 'field data' which can have
bugs/mistakes supposed to ignore obvious mistakes in email formats or
compensate for it.
Most of my own programs did as otherwise everytime they hit a problem
I had to go and fix it manually...
It shouldnt be that much work to let the bat ignore this error and
then one can advertise the bat as working with Novell...


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Re: Error Messages

[tracer]

Hello Lone-Wolf,
On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:47:42 +1100 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 12:47:42 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Lone-Wolf wrote:


Lone-Wolf> Hello

Lone-Wolf> Get 2 error messages:-

Lone-Wolf> SEND- Server reports error.  The response is :Bad sequence of commands
Lone-Wolf> (quite frequently - mail cannot be sent but finally gets away after a
Lone-Wolf> few tries)

Lone-Wolf> also a new one has popped up:-

Lone-Wolf> FETCH - Server reports error.  The response is: - ERR[IN USE] Failed
Lone-Wolf> to lock or parse or multiple access.
I have seen this as well a few times but considered it a fluke.
On the other hand, besides the Bat having a problem, it could mean
what it says: someone else using your mailbox and in MY case that most
certainly was the case: my expartner had hacked into mailbox.


Lone-Wolf> I am receiving from two mail servers (isp) on Bat.

Lone-Wolf> Any advice?  Can't find any error messages in the "Help" file.


Lone-Wolf> Regards,


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Re: Block selection types (was: Auto-indent)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Tom,

Sunday, January 16, 2000, 11:20:27 PM, you wrote:

> Heh, oops.  What I'm talking about is what you get when you
> right-click in a composition window, and hit "Block Type".

Ok, this is pretty cool.  I never saw that option before.  So now, is
there any way to use the Bat's editor as a stand alone product? :)

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Re: Block selection types (was: Auto-indent)

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, January 16, 2000, 11:20:27 PM, Tom Plunket wrote:

> Heh, oops.  What I'm talking about is what you get when you
> right-click in a composition window, and hit "Block Type".

Hey, I just tried that in a test reply... I like that. Thanks for
bringing that to my attention... I've never seen anything like that
before. I'm learning something new with TB... and especially the Editor,
every single day. :o)

> Ok, again I haven't tried any of these but I assume the Blocks
> selection is a radio button (exactly one of them always selected).
> What that typically means is:

> Persistent blocks: Cursor is free to move around regardless of the
> block selection (which is likely something that you're not used to,
> esp. if you've never heard of it ;).  You can type and whatever, and
> the block stays selected and unchanging.

> Overwrite blocks I would assume are the same as Windows "typical"
> behaviour.

Well thanks Tom... I'll have to digest all that info now. :o)

> Now for pasting different types, haven't tried that either, but I
> assume again that it has to do with the stuff I mentioned in the
> previous message; that if you mark something in column mode, copy it
> to the clipboard, and then change the block type, this determines what
> will happen when you go to paste it.  Does The Bat! change into the
> old mode, or does it paste without asking, or ...  ???

Haven't tried any of that as yet... will do tomorrow though. I start a
block of holidays on Wednesday, so I'll have a couple of weeks to really
get to know TB's Editor. Thanks for the replies...

BTW, you don't sound like someone who has only used TB for the past day
or so. :o)


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Re[2]: Redirect (Bounce)

[G. Cowling, SRNA]

Monday, January 17, 2000, 2:03:47 AM, Tom wrote:

TF>> I then played a bit with the redirect feature, and actually, it
TF>> does look as if the original sender had sent the message only to
TF>> him.

TP> The Bat! then seems to have the same behaviour as elm's "Bounce"
TP> function, which I really like quite honestly.

TP> Perhaps if you want to forward something to someone, you just Forward
TP> it rather than redirect it?  If I'm "bouncing" something to someone
TP> else, I would prefer that my name not be attached to it as I am not
TP> responsible for its contents.

exactly!  I like this feature a lot too - very handy with multiple
accounts...

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Re[2]: Block selection types (was: Auto-indent)

[Tom Plunket]

>> Make sense?

NA> Not really Tom... we may be talking about different things
NA> here...

Heh, oops.  What I'm talking about is what you get when you
right-click in a composition window, and hit "Block Type".

NA> not sure? What I'm referring to is the preferences accessed
NA> through the main toolbar:

NA> Options/Editor Preferences/General

NA> On the top right hand side, this is what _I_ see:

NA>Blocks
NA>- Persistent blocks
NA>- Overwrite blocks

NA>Pasting different block types
NA>- skip prompt
NA>- adjust automatically

Ok, again I haven't tried any of these but I assume the Blocks
selection is a radio button (exactly one of them always selected).
What that typically means is:

Persistent blocks: Cursor is free to move around regardless of the
block selection (which is likely something that you're not used to,
esp. if you've never heard of it ;).  You can type and whatever, and
the block stays selected and unchanging.

Overwrite blocks I would assume are the same as Windows "typical"
behaviour.


Now for pasting different types, haven't tried that either, but I
assume again that it has to do with the stuff I mentioned in the
previous message; that if you mark something in column mode, copy it
to the clipboard, and then change the block type, this determines what
will happen when you go to paste it.  Does The Bat! change into the
old mode, or does it paste without asking, or ...  ???

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Re: Redirect (Bounce)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Tom,

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:03:47 -0800GMT (17/01/2000, 15:03 +0800GMT),
Tom Plunket wrote:

TF>> I then played a bit with the redirect feature, and actually, it
TF>> does look as if the original sender had sent the message only to
TF>> him.

TP> The Bat! then seems to have the same behaviour as elm's "Bounce"
TP> function, which I really like quite honestly.

TP> Perhaps if you want to forward something to someone, you just Forward
TP> it rather than redirect it?

I used to do that, but my colleagues use Outlook. The problem with
Outlook is that it will show the name but not the email address of any
person. I want them to reply to the correct email address, and this
they can if they hit 'reply' upon receiving my redirected messages.

TP> If I'm "bouncing" something to someone else, I would prefer that
TP> my name not be attached to it as I am not responsible for its
TP> contents.

Eudora's "by way of" has exactly that purpose. And fulfills my request
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Re: Redirect (Bounce)

[Tom Plunket]

TF> I then played a bit with the redirect feature, and actually, it
TF> does look as if the original sender had sent the message only to
TF> him.

The Bat! then seems to have the same behaviour as elm's "Bounce"
function, which I really like quite honestly.

Perhaps if you want to forward something to someone, you just Forward
it rather than redirect it?  If I'm "bouncing" something to someone
else, I would prefer that my name not be attached to it as I am not
responsible for its contents.


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Re: Block selection types (was: Auto-indent)

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, January 16, 2000, 10:45:49 PM, Tom Plunket wrote:

> Make sense?

Not really Tom... we may be talking about different things here, not
sure? What I'm referring to is the preferences accessed through the main
toolbar:

Options/Editor Preferences/General

On the top right hand side, this is what _I_ see:

   Blocks
   - Persistent blocks
   - Overwrite blocks

   Pasting different block types
   - skip prompt
   - adjust automatically

I'm not sure what all that means... haven't seen any documentation on
it. What you were referring to... I've never seen any mention of that
either?



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Redirect (Bounce)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi TBUDL,

I redirected a message to a colleague, and he was supposed to be
addressed in the first place and I requried only a cc-copy, and he
sent the message back to me with the remark "he (original sender)
forgot to copy you in".

I then played a bit with the redirect feature, and actually, it does
look as if the original sender had sent the message only to him.

If redirected by Eudora, sender name will show
"[EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
Pine will leave the original recipient (the one who redirects) in the
TO: field. In both cases, the final recipient will know that the
message was sent to me first, and I redirected/bounced it. A redirect
with The Bat! will only be known if you read the "kludges", but
"normal" people won't do that (only us computer geeks ).

I would like TB to show something in the FROM or TO address, (or maybe
in the subject?) so that the recipient of a redirected mail knows who
redirected it to him/her. Any support for this?

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Block selection types (was: Auto-indent)

[Tom Plunket]

NA> The "Block" features that you find on the top/right portion of the
NA> Editor Preferences/General section are a mystery to me, as they
NA> are not very well documented.

Wow, this is one of the places where the editor shines, I think.  If I
could only map my BRIEF keys, I'd be happy as a clam.

Ok, here's the scoop.

Stream is what you're used to having in Windows.  That is, the block
start and end are marked by the cursor, and the selected text is
everything in between these when reading the text in a natural way.

Column marks a rectangle on the screen.  That is, you could make a
block selection to mark just the columns of my quote above, to delete
the 'NA' from the quotation, for example.

Line I haven't used yet, but I assume (since I use it in other
programs all of the time) that it's similar to stream except that it
gets the entire line at top and bottom.  So, if I started a line
marking with the cursor in the middle of the line, I could Shift-arrow
down and it would select the entire first, last, and middle lines.

Make sense?


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Re: Auto-Indent (was:Re: Newbie now on list...)

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, January 16, 2000, 10:13:09 PM, Allie Martin wrote:

> Yes, that's that's the auto-indent feature in action.

Thanks Allie... I sure wish there was a help section on Editor
Preferences. If there is, I've not been able to find it. The "Block"
features that you find on the top/right portion of the Editor
Preferences/General section are a mystery to me, as they are not very
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Re: Auto-Indent (was:Re: Newbie now on list...)

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, January 16, 2000, 10:13:09 PM, Allie Martin wrote:

>>  Then, when I went to type another word, the word was placed back up on
>> the top line again?

> That's the auto-formatting in action. What happened to you there is
> the most disliked behavior of the autoformat feature. :)

  Ok, I see what you mean now. I tried your little test again, but this
  time I turned the auto-format option off.

  Now I can
  do what
  you
  said
  is
  possible. :o)

  Another thing I noticed, is that when you turn auto-format off from
  the new message menu under Utilities, it only turns auto-format off in
  that one paragraph.

  As soon as you start another paragraph, the auto-format option is back
  on again. Is that the way it was meant to be?



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Re: Auto-Indent (was:Re: Newbie now on list...)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Nick,

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:30:56 -0800GMT (17/01/2000, 13:30 +0800GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

>>  To see it in action, go to a new line, hit , type a word, then
>>  hit enter to go to a new line. Look where the cursor ends up.

NA> As for indenting the first line in a paragraph... no, I don't normally
NA> do that, but I see what you mean about auto-indent getting in the way of
NA> doing that. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I've since unchecked
NA> that feature in Editor options.

1.) Why is this option not available under Options in the editor's
emnue, but only in the main window?

2.) The behaviour is consistant with Word. Hit backspace once upon
entering a new line, and it'll be OK. Problem though, it forgets the
inital indent (first line of paragraph) when you hit alt-L.

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Re: Auto-Indent (was:Re: Newbie now on list...)

[Allie Martin]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:30:56 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote:

>>  To see it in action, go to a new line, hit , type a word, then
>>  hit enter to go to a new line. Look where the cursor ends up.

> Yes, I see what you mean Allie. What would be the purpose of that
> feature? You didn't really mention in your reply _what_ actually
> happened when you hit reply... but in my case, the cursor jumped
> immediately to the next line, and immediately below the top word.

Yes, that's that's the auto-indent feature in action.

>  Then, when I went to type another word, the word was placed back up on
> the top line again?

That's the auto-formatting in action. What happened to you there is
the most disliked behavior of the autoformat feature. :)

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Re: Auto-Indent (was:Re: Newbie now on list...)

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, January 16, 2000, 8:16:21 PM, Allie Martin wrote:

>  To see it in action, go to a new line, hit , type a word, then
>  hit enter to go to a new line. Look where the cursor ends up.

Yes, I see what you mean Allie. What would be the purpose of that
feature? You didn't really mention in your reply _what_ actually
happened when you hit reply... but in my case, the cursor jumped
immediately to the next line, and immediately below the top word. Then,
when I went to type another word, the word was placed back up on the top
line again?

As for indenting the first line in a paragraph... no, I don't normally
do that, but I see what you mean about auto-indent getting in the way of
doing that. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I've since unchecked
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Re: Auto-Indent (was:Re: Newbie now on list...)

[Allie Martin]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:57:49 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote:

>> Not here. But I never used auto-indent anyway. ;-)

> I've never had it disabled, but then again I've never used it. I've
> looked in the help files for a brief description, as well as the FAQ's,
> but found nothing. Seeing as I never use it, I never pursued it any
> further. Can someone please give me a quick lesson on it' use? Is it
> used to indent, say the first line of each paragraph... or to indent
> selected text for quoting... or something along those lines?

To see it in action, go to a new line, hit , type a word, then
hit enter to go to a new line. Look where the cursor ends up. Also if
you indent the initial line of a paragraph and start typing, upon
wrapping to the next line the auto-indent feature will place the
cursor at the same indented point as the first line as demonstrated
here. Of course, if you develop the habit of indenting paragraphs,
then the auto-indent feature will get in the way.

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Re: Auto-Indent (was:Re: Newbie now on list...)

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, January 16, 2000, 7:12:45 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

AM>> BTW, does anyone else who uses the editor with the auto-indent feature
AM>> disabled, finds that the auto-indenting still occurs at times? I am trying
AM>> to detect the pattern  H

> Not here. But I never used auto-indent anyway. ;-)

I've never had it disabled, but then again I've never used it. I've
looked in the help files for a brief description, as well as the FAQ's,
but found nothing. Seeing as I never use it, I never pursued it any
further. Can someone please give me a quick lesson on it' use? Is it
used to indent, say the first line of each paragraph... or to indent
selected text for quoting... or something along those lines?

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Re: Newbie now on list...

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Roel,

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:47:34 +0100GMT (17/01/2000, 04:47 +0800GMT),
Roel wrote:

R> what i do:
R> subscribe under two accounts:
R> 1 normal messages for normal reading & replying
R> 1 digest for archiving

Why don't you archive the normal messages, as you have downloaded them
anyway? Aren't you doubling the space needed?

BTW I don't archive here, because you can always look anything up on
the web site. ;-)

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Auto-Indent (was:Re: Newbie now on list...)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Allie,

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:59:41  -0500GMT (17/01/2000, 07:59 +0800GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM> BTW, does anyone else who uses the editor with the auto-indent feature
AM> disabled, finds that the auto-indenting still occurs at times? I am trying
AM> to detect the pattern  H

Not here. But I never used auto-indent anyway. ;-)

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Re: SOT: Download tools (was Re: The Bat! Registration - Strange....)

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 08:57:39 +0700, tracer wrote:

Allie>> Getright has this new feature where it will download large files by
Allie>> downloading in a user-defined number of parts from a user-defined number
Allie>> of servers ... at the same time! It finds the servers and does all the
Allie>> downloading automagically and it is indeed faster this way. Goodie,
Allie>> goodie!!

> But, how often do you download files which are present or known to be
> present on more then one server.

Often enough to appreciate the feature very much. :)

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Re: common options (was: Re: Reply-To in mailing list)

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 02:48:11 +0700, tracer wrote:

[..snip..]

Allie>> Using multiple accounts to get around global preferences not
Allie>> configurable on a per-folder basis. Never thought of that but very
Allie>> interesting indeed. :)

> I am using it, just make sure not to download mail with it (g)

Well you may easily prevent that by not specifying a pop account and
only the SMTP server. That way you wouldn't be able to download mail with
that account even if you tried to. :))

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Re[2]: common options (was: Re: Reply-To in mailing list)

[tracer]

Hello Allie Martin,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:59:25  -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 10:59:25 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:

Allie> On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:50:22 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

Allie> [..snip..]

>> Thinking about this more, there are ways of using multiple accounts to
>> get  round  that,  but then we're back to Jast's point that there is a
>> hole in making cross-account changes to preferences.

Allie> Using multiple accounts to get around global preferences not
Allie> configurable on a per-folder basis. Never thought of that but very
Allie> interesting indeed. :)

I am using it, just make sure not to download mail with it (g)

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Re: SOT clean temp

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Hello Mark Aston,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:43:36 + GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 10:43:36 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Mark Aston wrote:

Mark> Hi tracer,

Mark> Just a quick question about your autoexec.bat entry to clean
Mark> C:\Windows\Temp, I maybe completely wrong here but I understood that
Mark> some installation programs dump files in temp which are then used
Mark> after/during a W98 reboot? If so then your entry could cause a problem
Mark> by deleting these during boot up.
Well, as I mentioned in a message to Steve one time my sequence as
working now isnt what I normally used.
I tended to boot to DOS, run a utility of my own allowing me to do
things IN DOS, first boot of the day, week , month, year etc.
I then used zap (a program) to clean dirs and drives.
However after my last clean install I havent yet put it back in.
What it meant was that it would only run once.

On the other hand most programs may put temp stuff there but rarely
they are needed after reboot.
You can always make a clean.bat stick the statements in there and
execute call clean.bat and if installing software, rem it out first.
You could also run theee batfile in the startup folder, it doesnt
matter anyway in most cases.


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Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...

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Hello Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:47:08 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 11:47:08 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote:

Clemens> so this means, unless I activate the compress thing in the inbox
Clemens> folder, all mails stay there and are not moved to the other folders?
Clemens> or do they stay there, and are also copied into the other folders but
Clemens> not "really" deleted out of the inbox ?
Its like removing unwanted books from the library by taking the index cards.
There seem to be less but they are still there...


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Re[2]: Send IP Adress via Macro in Mail or with external Program

[tracer]

Hello Lionel Elie Mamane,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:49:12 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 3:49:12 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:

Lionel> Hello Hans,

Lionel> Saturday, January 15, 2000, 8:00:06 PM, you wrote:

 
HWH>> Does  anybody  habe  experience with a good, free, secure, little
HWH>> Remote Program for using Win95 over IP-Internet.

Lionel> VNC, from att labs: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
recommended  but its a potential security loophole.


Lionel> Didn't try it personally, though.


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Re[2]: Warning! Check Your Temp Directories!

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Hello Christopher J. Trybowski,
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:13:29 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 7:13:29 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Christopher J. Trybowski wrote:


Christopher> How  this  only  confirms that if one has a good-configured system, he
Christopher> can omit many problems :-).
agreed (g)
I do exactly the same with my system since my 486 period.
I remember running 3.11 for at least 4 months with just 50 mb free on
the drive and it kept it nicely under control till I got my bigger
drive.
Different utility though as you are unlikely to have the one I wrote
myself...

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Re[2]: SOT clean temp

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Hello Mark Aston,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:18:54 + GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 5:18:54 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Mark Aston wrote:

Mark> Hi Roel,

Mark> Saturday, January 15, 2000, 10:07:46 PM, you wrote:

R>> yep, i sent in a bug report about it about a year ago...
R>> well, if it isn't fixed in v2, we can always write a 'clean-up'-plugin
R>> :-)

Mark> TB!  is  certainly not the only program guilty of this, LookOut leaves
Mark> loads  of  stuff  in  temp, including every attachment that is opened,
Mark> even those which were encrypted, so TB! is not so bad after all:-)
Bad?
Look what frontpage leaves behind


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Re[2]: SOT: Download tools (was Re: The Bat! Registration - Strange....)

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Hello Allie Martin,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:19:56  -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 11:19:56 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:


>> My  fave  is  one  called  NetVampire  (having used GoZilla and failed
>> miserably  with GetRight). Reasons: NV works superbly through my proxy
>> and  has  a  clean  and  easy  interface. GR an GZ (and also Syafril's
>> favourite - "JetCar") failed miserably in that minor feat. Add to that
>> NV's free-ware and that makes it a real winner for me.

Allie> Getright has this new feature where it will download large files by
Allie> downloading in a user-defined number of parts from a user-defined number
Allie> of servers ... at the same time! It finds the servers and does all the
Allie> downloading automagically and it is indeed faster this way. Goodie,
Allie> goodie!!

But, how often do you download files which are present or known to be
present on more then one server.
Reget has multithreading so 5 files or whatever can be downloading at
the same time, and while this may not increase the speed of ONE file
ending up on your system, as you are paying for time on the net, I
want throughput to be as close to my maximum as I can. So I tend to
dump things I want , web AND ftp just on the list of things to get and
it will just go and do it while I do  other things.



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Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list

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Hello Nick Andriash,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:20:02 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 2:20:02 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Nick Andriash wrote:

Nick> On Saturday, January 15, 2000, 7:57:02 AM, Allie Martin wrote:

>> Just out of curiosity, I had a look around and cannot seem to find an
>> editor that will work as well as TB!'s with respect to formatting and
>> reflowing *quoted* text. Boxer 99 comes very close and of course is
>> superior at formatting unquoted material but it's $60 a license. Better to

Nick> I'm still unclear though on the issue of using an external editor. Is TB
Nick> capable of calling up one... providing a hook, but if not, then exactly
Nick> how _do_ you use an external editor with TB?

Nick> I agree with Allie though... I think for the purposes of editing E-Mail,
Nick> you'd be hard pressed to find a better editor than the one we have, and
Nick> the price is right. :o)
You may laugh but I never started to look around what COULD be run
unmtil we had the request for the external editor.
Ok it should be an option but personally I donot mind
Nick> Nick




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Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...

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Hello Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer,
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:37:06 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 5:37:06 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote:

Clemens> Hello Marck,

Clemens> Saturday, January 15, 2000, 8:10:01 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

CGS>>> do  they  stay  there, and are also copied into the other folders
CGS>>> but not "really" deleted out of the inbox ?

>> Exactly  that.  They  stay there, marked as deleted and are never seen
>> again.  The  solution  is  to  activate  the "Compress folder on exit"
>> setting of the Folder options.

Clemens> Actually I would have to activate this in every Folder I do have some
Clemens> filters in ...
NO, you should do it in every folder AND the bat should tell you when
it reaches a certain % thats its wise to do so

Clemens> Best regards, Clemens
Clemens> written with TheBat! 1.38e
Clemens> on Windows 98, 4 10
Clemens> Build   A 
Clemens> on Sunday, January 16, 2000 at 11:36:41 AM




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Re[2]: Bug or Feature?

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Hello Nick Andriash,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:07:17 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 2:07:17 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Nick Andriash wrote:

Nick> Saturday, January 15, 2000, 1:17:33 PM, Allie Martin wrote:

>>  Use replied filters and run them manually each time you wish to
>> archive the contents of the folder. I receive and read TBUDL and TBBETA
>> messages from a single folder. When the folder gets a bit uncomfortable to
>> manage, ie, message number above 100, I just run the manual filter
>> operation which moves the read mail to their respective folders. It's a
>> lot easier than all those keystrokes you outlined up there (without even
>> including navigating the destination folder popup menu for each
>> operation).

Nick> Bingo!! That's exactly what I do as well Allie, only I have two separate
Nick> folders for TBUDL and TBBETA unread mail. I may combine the two, as the
Nick> traffic on TBBETA doesn't seem to be that heavy.

Nick> You are right though... it's a lot easier than all those keystrokes.

What it needs is a BUTTON with settings
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Re[2]: The Bat! Registration - Strange....

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:15:22 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 7:15:22 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

Thomas> Hallo Oleg,

Thomas> On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:43:40 +0400 GMT (15.01.2000, 19:43 +0800 GMT),
Thomas> Oleg Zalyalov wrote:

OZ>> There is not need to steal registration for that.

Thomas> You are right. I should have put that paragraph in  and
Thomas>  delimters. ;-)

Oleg, give me a few minutes on a fast enough machine, and the bat is
your last worry, I could have your whole drive cloned...
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Re[2]: The Bat! Registration - Strange....

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Hello Allie Martin,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:57:02  -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 7:57:02 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:

Allie> On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:36:23 +0700, tracer wrote:

Allie> [..snip..]

>> I can also recommend Reget ( I think its far superior to getright if
>> you download many files) and there is the free Firetalk, amazingly
>> good quality talking between 2 pc's...

Allie> I like you, have a problem with connection speed. It's at a premium. I
Allie> therefore use a download manager and mine is Getright. I find it to do
Allie> things just great. What's the deal with Reget why you think it's superior
Allie> to Getright?
Well, its difficult to explain.
but lets say if I want a version of getright which works like a paid
for version, it would take me 10 minutes to locate one and get it.
Including a working key.
I likely even have it somewhere...
I could get a real key.  I probably have one somewhere as well.
But whats the use as I donot like the thing.
Now thats a vague thing, I know. But I find that REGET seems to get
things Getright cannot get. Especially on some websites which donot
want you to link via other sites.
I find the controls of Reget easy. I never ONCE (ok once...) had  a
problem.
Problem I had was that I didnt see that to store pauses on files till
the next logon were in the settings...

I have tried Getright on and off since at least 2 years,
It never saved me enough time/money AND headaches to stimulate me to
buy it.
On the other hand it caused me memory leaks
Reget though managed to convince me in about a month it was worth
having so I downloaded the latest, paid for it, dumped the fake serial
and am happy. It works as I want so what can I complain about..
if its really better, who knows, its like many programs a matter of
the feeling of the thing, taste and if you are happy with it.

Like with AVP (the antivirus program) which I like BUT it doesnt like
my system...
So I use Dr Web and it does the job extreemly well.

Anyway, I would suggest you drop me a note offline what you
want to do as I likely have seen any program there is for usage in
circumstances where you get fleeced by a government etc.
I am (g).
I likely used most of them to see if they would help.
Same with ftp programs.
I have used many but what I use now to maximize throughput is
wincommander. It allows ftp bounce (oops xftp), multiple downloads but
keeping track of what goes what way is complicated.
I use Bulletftp (even paid for the thing after using it for at least a
year) for my normal downloads/uploads.

Another thing saving me loads of time is Teleport.
If a site has many pages of interest, I just take the whole site
However they STILL havent brought out their ftp update which should
have apeared more then 2 years ago...
On the other hand I can ue my shell in the USA to grab the whole thing
using Linux.. Meaning Exceed is running on my PC...


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Re: SOT: Download tools (was Re: The Bat! Registration - Strange....)

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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:24:57 + GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 10:24:57 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:



Marck> My  fave  is  one  called  NetVampire  (having used GoZilla and failed
Marck> miserably  with GetRight). Reasons: NV works superbly through my proxy
Marck> and  has  a  clean  and  easy  interface. GR an GZ (and also Syafril's
Marck> favourite - "JetCar") failed miserably in that minor feat. Add to that
Marck> NV's free-ware and that makes it a real winner for me.
As I mentioned in another mail going out, getright caused me memory
leaks, Gozilla never convinced me it was really useful.
In my case costs of internet are high enough that $20 or so for a
program I can earn back in a month or less so I will happily pay for
one I like and which works.
I tried many..

Other interesting thing one can use is Mr Cool, problem though is that
in the cases I WANT to use it, servers complain and the bat doesnt
combine the pieces of program emailed to me.. Eudora would..

Marck> Cheers,
Marck> Marck

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Re: Newbie now on list...

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:31:10 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote:

> I'm  not  saying I don't like the idea, but one arrogant question: Why
> do  you  subscribe  in  digest mode if you want the separate messages?
> (Just  out  of  real interest!) I'm in some mailing lists digest mode,
> but  that's  exactly because I _don't_ want the separate mails. I just
> browse  the contents, usually to find only two articles I'm interested
> in and then I trash the whole thing ;)

It's far nicer to have semi-interesting mail sent as a MIME digest,
because it beats the hell out of reading a text file, and it makes
replying to messages easy. It also prevents this semi-interesting mail
from animating TB!'s animation in response to new mail more than once a
day. :)

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Re: Newbie now on list...

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:34:28 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

[..snip..]

> As of now, my suggestion would be: there exist some programs already
> available that "split" complicated MIME structures into individual
> messages.  You might get one of these (or simply write a Perl script,
> it's as easy as that;- )) and make an Inbox filter (triggered by
> "Content-type: multipart/digest" in  kludges or somewhat similar) with
> action "launch external program".  Something of this sort...

Somehow, I don't think you'll win him over with that solution there
Alex. :

BTW, does anyone else who uses the editor with the auto-indent feature
disabled, finds that the auto-indenting still occurs at times? I am trying
to detect the pattern  H

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Re: Newbie now on list...

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:25:28 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote:

> 2. Is there any way to get The Bat! to burst digests into seperate
> messages?  One mailing list that I'm on gets 100 messages a day (ok,
> not so many, perhaps), and it's WAY faster to download the digests (or
> so it seems), and Agent can split the digest up into seperate messages
> so they're easy to navigate (I'd prefer not to touch the mouse at all,
> if possible).  "Next message" could work, but it doesn't go to the
> next message in a digest, so, I'm stuck.  Any help?  If there's one
> thing that will make me not register/use The Bat!, this is it.

I am just now feeling the crunch of this limitation in TB as well.
Going through a MIME digest is tedious to say the least.

> 3. Can't wait for user-configurable keys.  I'd love to hit 'r' to
> reply and  to read next.  ;)

Yes indeed.  BTW, FWIW, the spacebar *does* move you to the next
message, but unfortunately that's the next message down in the list
whether it's read or unread. I sort my messages in descending order of
date and time and I don't thread messages so it comes in handy with
navigating.

> I've got a bunch of editor enhancements that I'd like to see, actually,
> but I wanna see what's on the list already before going crazy.  ;)

I used Forte Agent for mail for about a year and half and still use it
for News. While Agent's editor introduced me to WYSIWYG editing in e-mail
and news messaging, and yes, it does have a great text wrapping/reflow
engine, it's not as flexible as TB!'s editor. TB!'s editors strength lies
in flexibility whereas Agents editors strength lies in predictability (not
much there to predict anyway). I hands down, prefer TB!'s editor. :-)

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Re: SOT: Download tools (was Re: The Bat! Registration - Strange....)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Syafril, 

On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 at 03:14:36 [GMT +0700], you wrote:
SH> Yes, my favourite is Jetcar (www.amazesoft.com), because it's
SH> small (around 700K), and having "split download utility" (up to 10
SH> split file), set maximum download speed (so I still have enough
SH> bandwith for mail, browse etc), run behind proxy ...and it's
SH> freeware.

JetCar is my favorite too. I've run multiple D/L tests with it against
GoZilla and Getright, with Jetcar always being faster. I love the split
download capability.



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Re: Unable to read "untitled.msg" attachments (? from Novell Grpwise)

[Allie Martin]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:17:18 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote:

[..snip..]

AVK>> This is *not* the problem of TB, it's rather the problem of
AVK>> Novell or whatever,  as I have already proved in one of my
AVK>> previous messages...

> *My* thoughts on being a software developer and developer of
> user-level utilities, is that regardless of the source of errors or
> problems, making one's own software able to deal with other peoples
> bugs is a good thing and only serves to help your users.

> It doesn't matter if the "problem" comes from GroupWise or The Bat!,
> what matters is if a user needs something to happen, and it does in a
> different piece of software, they *will* use that different piece of
> software, regardless of where the problem originates.  In other words,
> if Calypso fits this person's bill better than The Bat! does, well, I
> think they may find that The Bat! is not suited to their task.

I remember a problem like that which I had in my OS/2 days. I used to
run a shell enhancement app called X-it and PMMail was my e-mail client.
Whenever I had X-it running and opened PMMail, PMMail's interface would go
berserk. The interesting thing was that this did not occur with earlier
versions of PMMail. Well IMHO at the time, the logical move was to write
to the PMMail developers who told me that they knew about it and the
problem was with X-it and that I should ask the X-it developers about it.

I wrote to the X-it developers only to be told that the problem was
with PMMail. Needless to say, at this point I was pissed. I ended up being
the mediator of a technical exchange on whose fault it was (did I really
care at the time? .. NO!). The X-it developers ended up being the
one's to fix things. I'll never know if they simply were practicing what
you preach Tom, but as the software user, I didn't really care; I was only
happy. :-/


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Re[3]: Newbie now on list...

[Tom Plunket]

>> [ splitting digests ]

OS> I'm  not  saying I don't like the idea, but one arrogant question: Why
OS> do  you  subscribe  in  digest mode if you want the separate messages?

As it relates to The Bat!, there is no convenient way (that I've found
in 24 hours :) to browse the messages in a digest.

The primary reason I subscribe to "big" lists as digests is so I don't
get messages dropping into my mailbox all during the day; they come in
a flood when it's convenient to delete threads that are uninteresting
or whatever...  I'm somewhat neurotic, and I'm online 24/7, and I just
HAVE to hit the little flying bat when I have new messages.  So, I go,
see an uninteresting message, and delete it...  With digests, they
pile up so the threads stick together, etc...

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Re: Purge All Folders ?

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, January 16, 2000, 6:40:08 AM, Roel wrote:

> not entirely:
> It includes a compress...
>  this isn't done with the per-folder option...
>  there you'll have to select it manually...

> it's actually a 'purge & compress all folders' option...

Thanks Roel... didn't realize it compressed as well, but what I was
worried about, was the purge... what exactly did this function purge. As
I understand it now, it will purge according to your message purge
settings, set on a folder by folder basis.

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Re: Purge All Folders ?

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, January 16, 2000, 7:34:23 AM, Chuck Mattsen wrote:

> If I understand correctly what your asking, no, they're quite
> different animals ... the Folder/Purge All Folders does the compress,
> as has been mentioned, but it only deletes items that are set on a
> folder by folder basis to be purged (i.e., by age or maximum number of
> msgs in the folder) ... the "Empty Folder" does a wholesale delete of
> everything in the folder, regardless of message purging settings.

That's the one I was looking for... Thanks Chuck. The other definition
given was slightly different, but your's proved to be correct. I'm
always learning... thanks again.

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Re[2]: Newbie now on list...

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Alexander V. Kiselev,

On Sonntag, 16. Januar 2000 at 22:34:28 you wrote:

> [ splitting digests ]

> Believe it or not, but this is *my own favourite*, too;-(

I'm  not  saying I don't like the idea, but one arrogant question: Why
do  you  subscribe  in  digest mode if you want the separate messages?
(Just  out  of  real interest!) I'm in some mailing lists digest mode,
but  that's  exactly because I _don't_ want the separate mails. I just
browse  the contents, usually to find only two articles I'm interested
in and then I trash the whole thing ;)

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Re[2]: Newbie now on list...

[Tom Plunket]

TP> 2. Is there any way to get The Bat! to burst digests into seperate
TP> messages?  One mailing list that I'm on gets 100 messages a day...

AVK> Believe it or not, but this is *my own favourite*, too;-( On
AVK> numerous occasions this question has been discussed, but nothing
AVK> has changed sofar... TB developers seem to pretend "deaf and
AVK> blind" each time anybody starts to suggest MIME digests-related
AVK> improvements...

Perhaps some automation is in order.  Looking through the filtering
options, it seems like I may be able to save all of the attachments
out into a temp directory and then import them into the mailbox, maybe
something like Sorting Office->Actions->Extract Attached to put the
files out as 1.msg, 2.msg, etc. (that's how they come in on this one
list, anyway), and then Sorting Office->Actions->Run External with
The_Bat.exe /import something or other...  Problem is order of
execution of these actions, is it defined or is it ambiguous?

Anyhow, the seemingly easy thing to do for The Bat! authors would be
to do just this, using %TEMP% or \windows\temp or something, but at
the user level just have a checkbox.

AVK> (triggered by "Content-type: multipart/digest" in  kludges or...

Ack, this is another thing that burns me, that "Kludges" means "hack"
in the software industry.  I wish I knew the etymology, but I really
wish people would call them "headers."  :)

-tom!

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Re: Newbie now on list...

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 16 Jan 00, at 12:25, Tom Plunket wrote
about "Newbie now on list...":

> 2. Is there any way to get The Bat! to burst digests into seperate
> messages?  One mailing list that I'm on gets 100 messages a day (ok,
> not so many, perhaps), and it's WAY faster to download the digests (or
> so it seems), and Agent can split the digest up into seperate messages
> so they're easy to navigate (I'd prefer not to touch the mouse at all,
> if possible).  "Next message" could work, but it doesn't go to the
> next message in a digest, so, I'm stuck.  Any help?  If there's one
> thing that will make me not register/use The Bat!, this is it.

Believe it or not, but this is *my own favourite*, too;-( On numerous occasions 
this question has been discussed, but nothing has changed sofar... TB 
developers seem to pretend "deaf and blind" each time anybody starts to 
suggest MIME digests-related improvements... I *hope* TB ver.2 will fix this 
once and forever, but who knows? Anyhow, ver.2 will support the plugins, so it 
will be relatively easy to make the necessary functionality available anyway;-)

As of now, my suggestion would be: there exist some programs already 
available that "split" complicated MIME structures into individual messages. 
You might get one of these (or simply write a Perl script, it's as easy as that;-
)) and make an Inbox filter (triggered by "Content-type: multipart/digest" in 
kludges or somewhat similar) with action "launch external program". 
Something of this sort...

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Re[2]: Newbie now on list...

[Roel]

 \\\|///
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(- O o -)
--oOOo-(_)-oOOo---
Hello G.,

GCS> - I subscribe to several mailing lists, and so also deal with issue
GCS> #2.  I have found a conmpletely different approach works best for me
GCS> in the long run.  I subscribe to the list (not the digest), let each
GCS> message come in whenever it does, filter messages to mailboxes
GCS> appropriately, and have the mailbox for each list thread the messages.

what i do:
subscribe under two accounts:
1 normal messages for normal reading & replying
1 digest for archiving

GCS>  I, for one, am looking forward to being able to place
GCS>  user-definable/configurable buttons on the taskbar!

also in v2 :-)
(if i'm correct, that is...)

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Re: Newbie now on list...

[G. Cowling, SRNA]

I am new here, too, and most of my wishes have to do with
implementation of the PGP functionality.  In response to your issues,
however:

- I subscribe to several mailing lists, and so also deal with issue
#2.  I have found a conmpletely different approach works best for me
in the long run.  I subscribe to the list (not the digest), let each
message come in whenever it does, filter messages to mailboxes
appropriately, and have the mailbox for each list thread the messages.
 This is a feature that seems to work great so far for me.  I can
 easily follow the threads I want, and throw out whole threads that
 are inane.

 I can't duplicate your issue with message deleting.

 I, for one, am looking forward to being able to place
 user-definable/configurable buttons on the taskbar!

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Re: Newbie now on list...

[Roel]

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TP> 1. It seems like when I hit  on a message, sometimes I get
TP> prompted "Do you want to delete this message", and sometimes I don't.
TP> Why?  Can I turn it off, so that I never get prompted, and 
TP> always sends a message straight to the trash?

depends on where the focus is:
- focus on preview pane (where the message shows): question is asked
- focus on folder-listing (the overview of the messages within the
  folder): question isn't asked

TP> 3. Can't wait for user-configurable keys.  I'd love to hit 'r' to
TP> reply and  to read next.  ;)  I've got a bunch of editor
TP> enhancements that I'd like to see, actually, but I wanna see what's on
TP> the list already before going crazy.  ;)

user-configurable keys will be in v2... you'll have to wait a bit for
that :-)

current key-bindings:
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcuts.txt

HTH :-)

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Newbie now on list...

[Tom Plunket]

Ok, I've been reading for 24 hours and haven't seen anything come up
even resembling the questions that I have.  I can not find the info in
the FAQ, and I cannot find the alleged "frequently requested
enhancements" page.  I feel stupid, but I also feel like I've looked
all over hell and creation for this info, so...

I've managed to hack through getting The Bat! configured to my needs,
at least pretty well.  It's pretty slick, but coming from Agent I have
a few questions:

1. It seems like when I hit  on a message, sometimes I get
prompted "Do you want to delete this message", and sometimes I don't.
Why?  Can I turn it off, so that I never get prompted, and 
always sends a message straight to the trash?

2. Is there any way to get The Bat! to burst digests into seperate
messages?  One mailing list that I'm on gets 100 messages a day (ok,
not so many, perhaps), and it's WAY faster to download the digests (or
so it seems), and Agent can split the digest up into seperate messages
so they're easy to navigate (I'd prefer not to touch the mouse at all,
if possible).  "Next message" could work, but it doesn't go to the
next message in a digest, so, I'm stuck.  Any help?  If there's one
thing that will make me not register/use The Bat!, this is it.

3. Can't wait for user-configurable keys.  I'd love to hit 'r' to
reply and  to read next.  ;)  I've got a bunch of editor
enhancements that I'd like to see, actually, but I wanna see what's on
the list already before going crazy.  ;)


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Re[2]: Unable to read "untitled.msg" attachments (? from Novell Grpwise)

[Tom Plunket]

>>   >I don't think the problem is Calypso, I think it is something to
>>   >do with GroupWise. I know my Dad's secretary forwards him e-mail
>>   >messages through GroupWise, and more often than not the same
>>   >problem occurs for him.
>> 
>> I much prefer using TB!; I'd like to be able to figure out this
>> attachment issue.

AVK> This is *not* the problem of TB, it's rather the problem of
AVK> Novell or whatever,  as I have already proved in one of my
AVK> previous messages...

*My* thoughts on being a software developer and developer of
user-level utilities, is that regardless of the source of errors or
problems, making one's own software able to deal with other peoples
bugs is a good thing and only serves to help your users.

It doesn't matter if the "problem" comes from GroupWise or The Bat!,
what matters is if a user needs something to happen, and it does in a
different piece of software, they *will* use that different piece of
software, regardless of where the problem originates.  In other words,
if Calypso fits this person's bill better than The Bat! does, well, I
think they may find that The Bat! is not suited to their task.


-tom!

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Re: SOT: Download tools (was Re: The Bat! Registration - Strange....)

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,

On  Sat, 15 Jan 2000 at 15:24:57 GMT + [Saturday, January 15, 2000
22:24 GMT +0700], you told to the list:


>>> I  can  also recommend Reget ( I think its far superior to getright
>>> if  you  download  many  files)  and  there  is  the free Firetalk,
>>> amazingly good quality talking between 2 pc's...

AM>> I  like  you,  have  a  problem  with connection speed. It's at a
AM>> premium. I therefore use a download manager and mine is Getright.
AM>> I find it to do things just great. What's the deal with Reget why
AM>> you think it's superior to Getright?

MDP> My  fave is one called NetVampire (having used GoZilla and failed
MDP> miserably  with  GetRight). Reasons: NV works superbly through my
MDP> proxy  and  has  a  clean  and easy interface. GR an GZ (and also
MDP> Syafril's  favourite  -  "JetCar") failed miserably in that minor
MDP> feat.  Add to that NV's free-ware and that makes it a real winner
MDP> for me.

Yes,  my  favourite  is Jetcar (www.amazesoft.com), because it's small
(around  700K),  and  having  "split download utility" (up to 10 split
file), set maximum download speed (so I still have enough bandwith for
mail, browse etc), run behind proxy ...and it's freeware.

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Re[2]: Unable to read "untitled.msg" attachments (? from Novell Grpwise)

[mharlos]

Hi Alexander,

> In short: why complain to RIT labs about Novells' bugs? Wouldn't it
> be more logical to complain to *Novell* instead?

Certainly, if I knew it was a Novell bug when I asked.

Without the expertise that you have related to these issues, I can
only follow the course of action dictated by logic with the
information available to me...

1. I've not experienced similar problems with the only other client
that I use (Calypso).

2. With TB!, I can't view some attachments from Novell Groupwise.
These same attachments, when re-forwarded back to me and viewed with
Calypso, are fine.

3. I like The Bat!, so in order to sort out this problem, I asked
advice from those of you who know more about this than I do. No
complaining going on here...just asking for help. Until your
explanation, it appeared to me as a TB! problem.

I appreciate your response and accept it. I suspect it will be a
challenge to have this addressed now at the level of our computer
support people in the hospital (who want me to be like everyone else
and have a workstation using only their software), or at the level of
Novell. Still, I'll never know unless I try.

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Re: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Keith Russell,

On  Fri, 14 Jan 2000 at 20:27:59 GMT -0700 [Saturday, January 15, 2000
10:27 GMT +0700], you told to the list:

[ ... ]

>> Check out *.tmp file on your Harddisk, delete it, try again.

KR> Yes,  it's  been  working  great for a couple of days now. Sorry I
KR> didn't get to you in time to save you all the frustration.

No problem.

KR> I  had been intending to post to the list, but wanted to make sure
KR> it really was fixed and do a little more testing first.

KR> See my other message, which I will post later tonight.

Yes, I see it and all all discussion about it just now.

You all very productive, I got 1080 messages in my TBUDL-TBBETA folder
(I  merge  both  UDL  in one folder at my home PC), takes time to read
them all :-) (even BIND/WINNT-L/EXCHANGE maillist not have such amount
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Re: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello tracer,

On  Sat, 15 Jan 2000 at 09:02:56 GMT +0700 [Saturday, January 15, 2000
09:02 GMT +0700], you told to the list:

[ ... ]

Syafril>> Check out *.tmp file on your Harddisk, delete it, try again.
Syafril>> HTH

t> But, they shouldnt be created.
t> I  remember  seening those things ages ago, all going to my c:\temp
t> directory which I also use as temp for unarchiving things so it was
t> spotted as soon as it happened from way back.
t> As however I autoclean that directory and all *.tmp files daily, I
t> would never hit a problem with it.

I rare to use this computer (at home), my kids and my wife occupy this
PC all the time...for games, so I forgot to check it up.
Just making *.tmp autodeletion on autoexec.bat.
Thanks.


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Error Messages

[Lone-Wolf]

Hello

Get 2 error messages:-

SEND- Server reports error.  The response is :Bad sequence of commands
(quite frequently - mail cannot be sent but finally gets away after a
few tries)

also a new one has popped up:-

FETCH - Server reports error.  The response is: - ERR[IN USE] Failed
to lock or parse or multiple access.


I am receiving from two mail servers (isp) on Bat.

Any advice?  Can't find any error messages in the "Help" file.


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Re: Unable to read "untitled.msg" attachments (? from Novell Grpwise)

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 14 Jan 00, at 20:32, mharlos wrote
about "Re[2]: Unable to read "untitled.msg":

>   > I don't think the problem is Calypso, I think it is 
>   > something to do with GroupWise. I know my Dad's secretary 
>   > forwards him e-mail messages through GroupWise, and more 
>   > often than not the same problem occurs for him. 
> 
> This is my impression as well. This has happened with several 
> messages, and the only common thread is GroupWise.
> 
> When I receive my forwarded messages with Calypso, there is  never a
> problem with such attachments. I forwarded the same "untitled.msg"
> back to myself, and re-downloaded it with Calypso. I viewed the
> attachment without a problem.
> 
> I much prefer using TB!; I'd like to be able to figure out this
> attachment issue.

This is *not* the problem of TB, it's rather the problem of Novell or whatever, 
as I have already proved in one of my previous messages to you. It's Novell 
that breaks RFCs, not TB. Hence there is no sense in fixing it on TB's side. If 
TB developers were to fix the problems of others, they would have had no time 
for their own work... and BTW for fixing their _own_ bugs;-)

As for Calypso, they apparently have followed the different logic. However this 
does not necessarily imply that TB developers should follow this. 

In short: why complain to RIT labs about Novells' bugs? Wouldn't it be more 
logical to complain to *Novell* instead?

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Re: Purge All Folders ?

[Chuck Mattsen]

NA> Is Folder/Purge All Folders... the same as "Empty Folder" which is
NA> available on a folder by folder basis by right clicking a folder?
NA> Nick

If I understand correctly what your asking, no, they're quite
different animals ... the Folder/Purge All Folders does the compress,
as has been mentioned, but it only deletes items that are set on a
folder by folder basis to be purged (i.e., by age or maximum number of
msgs in the folder) ... the "Empty Folder" does a wholesale delete of
everything in the folder, regardless of message purging settings.


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Re: Purge All Folders ?

[Roel]

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NA> Hello Batters,

NA> Is Folder/Purge All Folders... the same as "Empty Folder" which is
NA> available on a folder by folder basis by right clicking a folder?

not entirely:
It includes a compress...
 this isn't done with the per-folder option...
 there you'll have to select it manually...

it's actually a 'purge & compress all folders' option...
 
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Purge All Folders ?

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Batters,

Is Folder/Purge All Folders... the same as "Empty Folder" which is
available on a folder by folder basis by right clicking a folder?


Nick

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Re: ERROR ... please help ...

[Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer]

Hello Marck,

Saturday, January 15, 2000, 8:10:01 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

CGS>> do  they  stay  there, and are also copied into the other folders
CGS>> but not "really" deleted out of the inbox ?

> Exactly  that.  They  stay there, marked as deleted and are never seen
> again.  The  solution  is  to  activate  the "Compress folder on exit"
> setting of the Folder options.

Actually I would have to activate this in every Folder I do have some
filters in ...

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External Editor (was:Re: suggestion- / wish-list)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Nick,

On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:20:02 -0800 GMT (16.01.2000, 15:20 +0800 GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

NA> I'm still unclear though on the issue of using an external editor. Is TB
NA> capable of calling up one... providing a hook, but if not, then exactly
NA> how _do_ you use an external editor with TB?

It's not possible, and we are discussing whether it should be. ;-)

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