Can anyone help with MSN
Hello Guys, Has anyone gotten TB to work with msn.com? I can get it to read, but I have not been able to figure out a config that works to get it to send messages. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:miked_...@verizon.net Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Any MSN users?
Hello folks, Well MSN is doing it to us again and changing their POP 3 interface Has anyone else with MSN figured out the proper way to hold your tongue so that things work? We can take this off list if you like. TIA -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.8 w/ on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Trouble with SHortcuts
Hello Roelof, Thursday, February 8, 2007, 11:57:56 AM, you wrote: RO> Create a quick template with %SetEditor="1"%- and define a shortcut RO> for that template. I'll give that a try, thanks. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.96.04 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Trouble with SHortcuts
Hello TBUDL, I was looking to assign a shortcut for 'Options', 'Message Format', 'Plain Text' (something like Ctrl-shft-T, for example). But when I go into 'View', 'Toolbar', 'Customize' on a message window, I can only go as far is Message Format. The selections that appear in the Message Format menu are not present in the shortcut display. Does anyone know if there is there a way to get to that option and assign a quick key or am I just OOL? Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AGAVA AntispamServant
Hello Gunivortus, Friday, January 12, 2007, 7:53:26 AM, you wrote: GG> Hi Code 2, >> I saw some 2005 postings in the archives regarding the AGAVA >> AntispamServant spam filter and they were generally favourable. >> Does anyone have more recent experience with it? GG> Till two weeks ago I used it for quite awhile. GG> It worked well, however, some comfortable options are GG> missing. GG> I left AGAVA, because my support requests weren't even GG> answered and so were questions for updates. GG> So I stepped over to antispamSniper, GG> http://antispamsniper.com/thebat_plugin.html GG> which provides all I want at the moment for such a GG> spamfilter. Within two weeks, it comes near to 100 % GG> of spamrecognition. I am still using it ... because, I suppose, I have not needed tech support and so have not run into that problem -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam mail
Hello A.Translator, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 5:37:31 AM, you wrote: AT> Alexander S. Kunz heeft uiteengezet op 28-11-2006 : >> I conclude that both Agava and Regula are good >> TB plugins. Personally AT> Can someone point me to an English installation guide for Regula? AT> I have downloaded three files (regula.rar, regula_dpcre.rar, regula.mgr.rar), AT> but can't get them to install the plugin. Always have a struggle with these AT> rar-files. I have not used Regula, but ... 'rar' is an 'archive' format much like 'zip' files. You have to 'unarchive' them as you would with a zip tile. That will give you the plugin as well as the other 'support' files that Regula needs. There will likely be a 'readme' or similar file that explains where those files need to do. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.07 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Spam mail
Hello Paul, Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 5:59:22 PM, you wrote: PB> Whether you use a spam filter or not, it is handy to do 2 things: PB> 1. Use positive filters in TB to move desired mail to separate PB> folders. Also add a filter to move "Known" mail to a "Welcome" folder PB> or similar name. PB> 2. This leaves any unfiltered junk in the "Inbox", where you click on PB> the Subject heading to sort alphabetically by subject. ( You do this PB> only once to set it.) This makes it very quick and easy to glance PB> through the list in case anything of value is there. The repeat PB> subjects are together and need only be read once. No argument from me there. I agree. My example was in response to the specific question of how to filter out the messages that had the ' wrote:' sequence in the subject. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.07 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam mail
Hi Peter, Monday, November 27, 2006, 9:18:10 PM, you wrote: >> lately I get a lot of spam with the subject line: wrote: As >> I hear lots of people are getting the same. >> Is there a way I can add a filter somewhere in the configuration >> that if the subject line is "wrote:" it should go to the junk mail >> folder. Click on 'Accounts' and select 'Filters' and click 'File' then 'New Filter. On the General tab give it a name, in the 'condition' box, select 'Subject Contains' and then add 'wrote:'. In the "action" section, select what you want to do ... "move to folder \\JUNK" for example. That should do it ... but only until they change the message content which will happen pretty soon. That is a very inefficient way to try and keep up with spammers. The other suggestions are helpful and more useful in the long term. I use Agava FWIW and like it. But BayesIt worked OK for me for a number of years too ... after I trained it with a **LOT** of email and I needed to 're-train' it once or twice a year for some reason. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.07 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Leif, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 1:49:20 PM, you wrote: LG> Hello MikeD, LG> Thursday, October 26, 2006, 10:48:56 AM, you wrote: >> I don't disagree with anything that you said ... in theory. >> Unfortunately in practice it seems that more and more folks are >> using things in the most simplistic, least responsible way because >> it is easier than doing it right LG> :( Agreed. Makes me want to go have a few beers... You coming? On my way! Do they have Guinness on tap? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Leif, I don't disagree with anything that you said ... in theory. Unfortunately in practice it seems that more and more folks are using things in the most simplistic, least responsible way because it is easier than doing it right We are devo :-/ -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Thursday, October 26, 2006, 10:08:17 AM, you wrote: LG> Hello MikeD, LG> Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 2:01:58 PM, you wrote: >> When you miss that important email because it was sent from someone >> that was blacklisted incorrectly, I will remind you of those 600 >> other messages and ask you which was more important, the one or the >> 600 LG> And that'd be poor use of services like Spamhaus and DNSbls. They are LG> a tool, not the end-all-be-all. If someone is using these services as LG> a pass/fail, then they're doing it wrong. The right way is to add LG> "points" to a spaminess score. i.e. if an e-mail comes from an IP LG> listed on one of the services, it get's some points added, but if it LG> meets absolutely no other spam criteria, the points it received on the LG> DNSbl listing alone *should not* be enough to classify it as spam. LG> The whole issue about a U.S. court potentially "trying" to shut down LG> the Spamhaus domain wouldn't have been quite as catastrophic as they LG> tried to lead everyone to believe. Yes, there would have been problems LG> on mail servers where the mail server admin didn't have a clue and LG> Spamhaus was a pass/fail measure, but the big mail handlers (big ISP) LG> wouldn't have gotten nailed anywhere near as badly. >> I really hate it when my ISP decides to reject some email that >> *they* think is spam but is actually real and sometimes important. I >> currently have everything they offer disabled and rely on the >> plugin. That way I get all the messages. LG> I use Gmail and allow them to run their spam filters. However, I still LG> check the messages from time to time. So far Google hasn't made any LG> mistakes with my e-mail. Unlike Comcast who castrated *all* my e-mail LG> for basically four days in a row. >> Can you tell I don't like the black list model? LG> It can work provided the e-mail admin really understands how to use LG> it. They are *not* a silver bullet. They are just one more tool in the LG> arsenal. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello MAU, Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 1:19:50 PM, you wrote: M> Hello MikeD, LG>>> Yep, they are classifying the IP listed in the error you received as a LG>>> spammer "friendly" IP address. If you're not running your own SMTP, LG>>> then this is most likely the IP address for your ISP SMTP server. >> >> And this is exactly why the 'black list' sites are a "cure" that can >> be worse than the disease ... INMO anyway >> M> Not really. I use some blacklists (mainly Spamhaus, www.spamhaus.org) at M> my server and, thanks to them, I stop/reject over 600 (yes, 600) email M> per day before they even get into the server. When you miss that important email because it was sent from someone that was blacklisted incorrectly, I will remind you of those 600 other messages and ask you which was more important, the one or the 600 I really hate it when my ISP decides to reject some email that *they* think is spam but is actually real and sometimes important. I currently have everything they offer disabled and rely on the plugin. That way I get all the messages. As a side note, those same blacklists cause me no end of headache when I get one of the dozen or so weekly support requests from folks whose newsletters have stopped because some site has blacklisted everything that is sent using Lyris ... or some fool forgot that they signed up for the newsletter (they have to submit an email to us that is reviewed and then approved, no auto-registration) and reports us and some portion of the other 999 readers are inconvenienced Can you tell I don't like the black list model? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Leif, Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 9:50:43 AM, you wrote: >> Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 2:29:36 PM, you wrote: >> I got 4 (I think), but one was purported to be out of business. Does >> that mean that those lists are classifying *me* (actually, my IP, I >> guess) as a spammer? And that the business that's all-of-a-sudden >> started to bounce my e-mails (though I still get messages *from* >> them!) is using those lists to bounce suspected spamming domains? LG> Yep, they are classifying the IP listed in the error you received as a LG> spammer "friendly" IP address. If you're not running your own SMTP, LG> then this is most likely the IP address for your ISP SMTP server. And this is exactly why the 'black list' sites are a "cure" that can be worse than the disease ... INMO anyway -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Alexander, Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 4:15:45 PM, you wrote: ASK> Yes, I am sure. Enter the IP address in the DNSRBL test client. It'll ASK> reveal that the IP is blacklisted on the SORBS and BLARS DNS blacklists. ASK> BLARS is a very aggressive list (it lists entire netblocks), but SORBS ASK> ain't listing IP address without a reason. Perhaps, but it isn't always a 'good' reason. I help support a mailing list that uses Lyris and several places like SORBS end up blacklisting anyone that would dare to use a list server -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: ZoneAlarm Internet Security Suite
Hello Richard, Friday, October 20, 2006, 5:12:07 PM, you wrote: RN> Hello MikeD, RN> Friday, October 20, 2006, 3:21:43 PM, you wrote: M2>> Can you selectively install from the suite? It might be interesting to M2>> install just the FW and nothing else from the suite to see of that M2>> makes any difference. RN> Your concept was pure genius. I turned off all ISS program RN> segments and added them back one by one. I've isolated it to a RN> problem with their anti-virus segment (the reason I bought the RN> software in the first place). All works fine with anti-virus RN> turned off. Waiting to hear back from ZoneAlarm for a solution. RN> Thanks for the thought and direction. Glad to help. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ZoneAlarm Internet Security Suite
Hello Richard, Friday, October 20, 2006, 2:49:41 PM, you wrote: RN> Hi Batpeople, RN> I can't get ZoneAlarm Internet Security Suite 6.2 to allow TB to RN> receive POP3 mail. I've been working on this over the past 36 hours RN> with ZoneAlarm to no-avail. RN> TB receives POP3 mail just fine when ZoneAlarm ISS is not loaded. Both RN> Outlook Express and Mailwasher read POP3 mail just fine with ZoneAlarm RN> ISS loaded. RN> Has anyone run into this problem? Sorry, I have not run into any problems with ZA, but I have not used their suite - only the stand alone FW. Can you selectively install from the suite? It might be interesting to install just the FW and nothing else from the suite to see of that makes any difference. FWIW, I have ver 6.5.737 of the firewall. How does that compare to yours? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Alexander, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 1:00:49 PM, you wrote: ASK> Hello MikeD (2) & everyone else, ASK> on 10-Okt-2006 at 13:35 you (MikeD (2)) wrote: >> I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it >> is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being >> serviced by gmail. ASK> I have no idea what you mean with this. The email is through the google gmail service but does not have an '@gmail.com' domain. ASK> As far as I know you can specify ASK> different outgoing mailaddresses (which is problemating due to various ASK> spam filtering techniques like reverse lookups and SPF), but I wouldn't ASK> know how to process incoming email from with the gmail account (other ASK> than a forwarder - gmail has no POP3 collector service that you can use ASK> to retrieve other accounts... or at least mine hasn't). ASK> Other than that, try to use a regular connection for POP3 instead of ASK> STARTTLS. Yup gave that one a try too without luck. But thanks for the suggestion. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 2:49:24 PM, you wrote: RO> Hallo MikeD, RO> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:18:49 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 19:18 , where I RO> live), you wrote: RO>>> You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both? M>> Both. When I try to receive or send email with TB, it goes out and M>> begins the process ... after about 20 seconds I get a "could not M>> connect to the server" in the log file. RO> Could not connect to the server is an odd error. You tried this: RO> smtp.googlemail.com TLS to port 465 RO> pop.googlemail.comTLS to port 995 RO> smtp authentication enabled of course, but don't select 'secure RO> authentication' RO> Otherwise I can't think of anything. I think I tried that ... but I have tried so many variations that I am not sure :-/ RO>>> Can you access your account via gmail's web interface? M>> Yes, I can get on through gmail's web interface see messages in the M>> inbox, read them and send messages (well, one anyway ). RO> Just to make sure that had the right username/password. I checked that several times ... sort of. I suspect that the problem revolves around how to reconcile the idea that it is not a 'pure' gmail account. I will just have to keep experimenting with various combinations of things :-/ Thanks for the suggestions. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Mary, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 7:58:44 AM, you wrote: MB> Hello MikeD! MB> On Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:35 AM, you wrote: >>OK ... this is related to this thread: >>http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4&TID=2349 >>I have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect. >>I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, >>it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is >>being serviced by gmail. MB> Ah. Yes. >>I have tried variations on various combinations of 'gmail', >>'googlemail' with and without the hosted domain name without any >>joy. Has anyone gotten this particular rig to work? MB> I think mine is what you are wanting to do. However, I did not set it MB> up by myself, so I don't know the particular settings that must be MB> used. MB> Leif Gregory, a TB! lists moderator, both sent me the Gmail invitation MB> and set up the association for me. MB> Perhaps he will notice this thread and give you some advice. I can only hope I am sure that the thing that is messing TB up is that the address is not an '@gmail.com' address. It is a 'thrid party' domain that apparently google is hosting for them ... or something like that. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 8:36:41 AM, you wrote: RO> Hallo MikeD, RO> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:35:52 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 13:35 , where I RO> live), you wrote: M>>I have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect. M>>I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, M>>it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is M>>being serviced by gmail. RO> What exactly do you mean with 'serviced by gmail'? "Serviced by": in the sense that the actual email address is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' ... gmail is not mentioned in the email address. When I log in through the gmail website that is what I have to put in as the "user name" ... complete with the domain on the end ... in order to log in. Apparently it is a service that they are offering to third parties. RO> You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both? Both. When I try to receive or send email with TB, it goes out and begins the process ... after about 20 seconds I get a "could not connect to the server" in the log file. RO> Can you access your account via gmail's web interface? Yes, I can get on through gmail's web interface see messages in the inbox, read them and send messages (well, one anyway ). And yes, I enabled pop access in the settings screen and verified that it says pop enabled. RO> Without any specifics it's hard to give a solution. Sorry, I didn't notice I lost the details I thought I had cut and pasted from the letter I sent to gmail support :-/ And thanks for the help. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(no subject)
Hello all, OK ... this is related to this thread: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4&TID=2349 I have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect. I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being serviced by gmail. I have tried variations on various combinations of 'gmail', 'googlemail' with and without the hosted domain name without any joy. Has anyone gotten this particular rig to work? TIA -- MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Newsgroups to mail software
Hello John, Friday, September 29, 2006, 1:28:10 PM, you wrote: JP> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:57, MAU wrote: >> I've sent by PM. JP> Thanks greatly!. JP> Err...pardon my ignorance, but what is "PM"? Normally 'Private Message' or 'Private Mail' depending on who you ask. In the context here, it means that the message was answered "off list" so that it didn't 'clog' up the list with something that probably would not be of interest to anyone else in the list. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sanctioned bayes plugins (redux)
Hello rich, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 2:14:46 AM, you wrote: rg> Hello Bat-Folk! rg> On the RitLabs site downloads page there are 3 anti spam downloads rg> available. rg> Bayes Filter Plugin by Achim Winkler rg> BayesIt! by Alexey Vinogradov rg> Agava Antispamservant Plugin rg> Anyone care to comment on these? I have used BayesIt in the past. It worked (mostly) OK. I had no problems with it, but it was not the most effective filter around (at least the last time I used it ). On the plus side, I =never= had a false positive with it, but it only caught about 75 to 80% of the spam. I am using Agava now and it is much easier to get it to the point where it was filtering relatively well. It does a better overall job of catching spam, about 90+%, but I =do= get the occasional false positive. That is 'worrisome' since it makes it more likely that I will miss something ... nor can I just ignore the spam folder. I have not tried Bayes Filter. There are days I think about going back to BayesIt again to see if it has gotten any better. But I am mostly lazy and have not gotten around to it -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.13 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit! Confusion
MM> try AntispamSniper plugin, which is available in free version now too: MM> www.antispamsniper.com Well if we are mentioning alternatives .. agava's Bat plugin works great for me. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.07 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Spam
Hello Ben, Sunday, June 18, 2006, 4:52:21 PM, you wrote: BA> Howdy Flying Rodent fans, BA> I normally don't use an anti spam program, but I thought with this BA> latest release I would try it out. So I thought with this release I BA> would try it. So I trained it, with two thousand odd spam and forty BA> to fifty thousand ham mails. BA> So it was doing the job it was intended for, but it killed my laptop BA> everytime I downloaded any email. What I mean by that is my laptop BA> started running like a heavily laden Rhino. BA> Does anyone else experience this? I have not had that problem, but then I have not kept that many emails around. You might try trimming down your email. I never keep more than about 4 thousand messages in any folders. Archive some of the old mail and see if that doesn't help. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Does BayesIt actually work?
Hello Marten, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 1:58:32 PM, you wrote: MG> I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc. MG> I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters MG> installed, I have imported a blacklist. MG> Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving. MG> Are tohers more successful with theior installations? I used to use it. I moved to Agvara ant think it (mostly) works better. I found that it took a **LOT** of mail to train it. I kept at least 1,000 spam and 1,000 ham messages around just to train it. I got it to better than 80% without using a white or black list and I *NEVER* got a false positive with it. Agvara gets about 95% of my spam but I do have to go through the spam because I get the occasional false positive with it. So the end result is that it works, but is a more 'finiky'. But it is also free -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antispam software
Hello Peter, Sunday, March 12, 2006, 5:00:52 PM, you wrote: LW> I've used Bayesit with some success after training. While I found it LW> did filter some, it wasn't what I was used to (K9). I've also used LW> Bayes Filter but had to change because of problems with TB being LW> default email. When clicking on a mailto TB would open several Edit LW> windows. Never could get that fixed. LW> I'm using AntispamSniper on my notebook and trialing on my desktop. It LW> has a better success rate after some training. It's not free but but LW> seems to be doing a better job. I used BayesIt and it worked well enough considering the price I am using Agava now and at $12 is a value that mostly works better than BayesIt. I have not used any of the intermediate programs like K9, so cannot compare with those. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.72.01 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Friday, January 13, 2006, 4:02:24 AM, you wrote: B> What settings are you currently using? B> I have set it up as follows: B> Out of 100 score: Average B> Delete a message: No B> Move a message to Junk: Yes, with score greater than 50 B> Move messages marked as junk to the Junk Folder: Yes B> Use the common junk folder: No The only difference I have is my junk score is currently up to 15. I had it down into the single digits for BayesIt I have been sneaking it up, but slowly. Just one or two points a week. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Darrin, Thursday, January 12, 2006, 9:34:29 AM, you wrote: D> Hello Barry, D> Thursday, January 12, 2006, 12:58:48 AM, you wrote: B>> Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I B>> have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up B>> with my batch of spam emails and its working very well. D> Ive been using it for almost the full 30 days. I like it as well. D> After training a few emails its working well. Ill probably end up D> purchasing it. Yes, I just registered my copy a couple of days ago. In most ways it works better than BayesIt, but I still get more false positives with it than with BayesIt. But I am still tweeking the settings -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 12:16:23 PM, you wrote: B> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:33:56 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: B> >> Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like >> those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual >> filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. B> B> Mike, I think we may be at crossed purposes here. :) I wasn't sure ... when you said no spam I thought maybe you meant it wasn't catching any B> My filtering is working very well. I use whitelist and blacklist B> extensively and this seems to be the best approach. B> I just sometimes look at the stats for interest and was surprised to see B> that Bayesit was reporting 'nil' spam! This got me thinking and that's when B> digging deeper I noticed the apparent issue with the 'stat.bin' file? Ahh, I get it now. My explanation of the behavior of the '~' file is, I think, still correct. As to why you are not seeing any spam filtering, if you your black and white lists are doing was much as you say, I think that means that not much mail is getting to the actual BayesIt filter to be counted. Having said that, would have expected some info there. I can send you a copy of my stat.bin if you think that might help. Or uninstall / reinstall the plug in might help. My stat.bin is a binary file, so there may be a required structure for it to be recognized as a valid stat file. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 10:09:55 AM, you wrote: B> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:02:25 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: >> But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was >> more interested in the results B> Well, for sure, but I've been running 'FileMon' and it seems to me that B> BayesIt isn't working quite right. It seems as if it tries to open B> ~stat.bin as well as stat.bin. Unfortunately ~stat.bin doesn't exist. I B> tried making a copy of stat.bin and renaming it to ~stat.bin but BayesIt B> just deletes it at the end of the session. B> If I remove both files then BayesIt doesn't recreate either, which I would B> have expected it to do. Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. As to the '~' file, that is a common practice for naming temp files that are temp backups for open files. For example word does that as well. The '~' files are deleted when they are no longer needed ... usually -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 6:43:22 AM, you wrote: B> Hi B> I've noticed that BayesIt doesn't seem to be saving any stats. B> Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix? I can't look at the moment 'cuz I am currently testing out AGAVA. But I seem to recall seeing stats when I did use it. There were 4 that I remember looking at ... correctly filtered spam and ham, mis-filtered for both as well. My goal was to keep ham classified as spam as close to zero as possible. I think BayesIt was better than any of the other filters I have tried in terms of not putting ham in the spam folder. But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was more interested in the results -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayes filter stop working/re-filter
Hello Scott, Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 2:05:15 PM, you wrote: S> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Original message text=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= S> Monday, December 19, 2005, 7:51:09 AM, you wrote: S> set a key stroke for the "Mark as Spam" S> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Original message text=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= S> or customized your tool bar to include the junk/not junk buttons... Yes, you can certainly do that, but I am an old command line kind of guy and so think key strokes before I think buttons. Besides, there are already more buttons than I can see at one time. But, yes. If you prefer buttons, that is certainly a suitable answer too. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.15 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayes filter stop working/re-filter
Hello Jorge, Monday, December 19, 2005, 7:20:18 AM, you wrote: JAB> Hi all. JAB> I´ve the Achim´s Bayes plugin working fine until today, when it doesn't JAB> filtered any mail. I've have two questions now: JAB> 1) How can I fix plugin to start working again? JAB> 2) How can I re-run the filtering process to send all those spam mails JAB> to the spam folder? I have not used Achim, but when I had this problem with a different bayes filter, I uninstlled it, deleted the "word list" data, re-installed it and then retrained it and it would be fine (until the next time ) Once you get it working again, set a key stroke for the "Mark as Spam" (and probably the "mark as not spam" as well). I used Ctrl-Shft-J (for junk ). Then you just highlight the spam messages and use the key code you set up. Other wise you can right click on the selected messages, select specials and then click on 'mark as spam' option. This will send the data to the bayes filter for training and move them to the designated spam destination. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.14 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Configuring MSN e-mail accounts in The Bat
Hello Anthony, Monday, October 10, 2005, 12:26:45 PM, you wrote: AGA> I want him to move from MSN to TB because he doesn't understand how to AGA> make PGP work with MSN's interface. TB has this all built in so it AGA> might make it all easier for him to use. TB has a lot of other useful AGA> features, too, so he wouldn't necessarily be sacrificing anything. SO far I have not seen if you mentioned this. Is his email a free '@hotmail.com' or is it a real '@msn.com' account? For Hotmail, you are stuck with the 'web-to-pop' interface. For an actual 'msn' account, you can use TB natively. Just follow the notes I mentioned in the earlier message. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.10 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring MSN e-mail accounts in The Bat
Hello Anthony, Monday, October 10, 2005, 3:26:10 AM, you wrote: AGA> Can anyone point me to detailed information on how to configure The AGA> Bat for an MSN e-mail account? All I had to do was to select 'MSN (NTLM) in the Read Mail authentication section of the account properties. If you need more specific details, let me know. I have not had any problems. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.10 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Plug-in
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, August 30, 2005, 9:23:09 AM, you wrote: RO> Extract them to a random directory (doesn't matter much which). Let's RO> take \Program Files\Tbe Bat!\BayesIt\ (just because that's what I'm RO> using.) RO> Now via TB's menu: RO> Options -> Preferences -> Protection\Anti SPAM -> Add RO> Browse to the location where you stored BayesIt RO> Configure BayesIt with the matching button and you're about done. RO> When you've already installed a previous version for BayesIt, just RO> close TB and copy the archive contents over the older version. That gets it installed. You still have to train it with as much spam and ham (i.e. good messages) as you can before it will start helping you by classifying with any reliability. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.05 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and build 30?
Hello Barry, Friday, July 8, 2005, 2:36:40 AM, you wrote: B> Hi B> I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my B> copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1 B> For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace B> it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and B> when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to B> set up the Bayesit plug in. B> I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal. B> Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build B> 30? It wasn't a problem here for any of the versions I tried in that sequence, but that seems to be the way with these sorts of things. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you other than to try either: 1.) running through one or more of the intervening updates and see if there is something that needed to be 'tweeked' between 25 and 30 to make it work right. 2.) try one of the later builds to see if it was just a quirk of the 30 build. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
Hello Jeff, Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 7:04:30 PM, you wrote: JG> Hello Group JG> I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1). JG> It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've JG> managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item JG> on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my JG> inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting JG> stuff that isn't junk :-( JG> Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less JG> aggressive? Did you give it any "non-spam" messages when you trained it? I made that mistake when I first tried BayesIt. If you only give it spam, then it had no idea what a "Good" message looks like, so everything will look like spam to it. It needs at least as much "ham" as "spam" for training. Beyond that, go to OPtion, Preferences, Anti-spam and select Baysit Try adjusting the Move message "threshold" to a higher number. You might also play with the "Avg/Max/Min" scoring, although I am not sure exactly how that is used (I use Avg, FWIW) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering issue
Hello Paul, Wednesday, May 4, 2005, 9:51:36 PM, you wrote: PB> I rely mainly on positive filters in the bat, like "known", and can PB> live with that. That is the issue. These spam messages were ending up in my 'known' folder even though they did not come from a known sender. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering issue
Hello MAU, Tuesday, May 3, 2005, 1:41:56 PM, you wrote: M> Hello MikeD, >> Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 M> You are using a beta version, you should post this in the TBBeta list. Ooops ... sorry. Grabbed the wrong email -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering issue
Hello All, Just as of today I have been hammered by a significant increase in spam. I can deal with that. But one thing did confuse me. One of the spam messages ended up in my "known" folder and I checked my address book three times to be sure and neither the From nor the To address appear in my address book. So can someone offer a suggestion as to why this email would have gotten sent to the "Known" folder? (I have included the message header bewlow in case that will help) TIA -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 w/BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 - X-Message-Status: n X-SID-PRA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-SID-Result: SoftFail X-Message-Info: uX4bQusXWiIzi0ZCsMSSmm/43RoEh/jMZuc8WoGd7Q4= Received: from qbtycafov.com ([65.8.201.164]) by MC8-F35.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 3 May 2005 05:02:58 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:41:52 GMT Subject: Re: Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="==ca130e9759003f" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2005 12:02:58.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C4584E0:01C54FD8] X-ISafe-Status: V Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Friday, April 1, 2005, 1:27:21 PM, you wrote: SF> Hello MikeD, SF> Thursday, March 31, 2005, 10:29:35 AM, you wrote: M3>> [...] When I first started having this problem, I not only M3>> 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the training M3>> data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from M3>> reoccurring either. SF> I did this and it worked. I uninstalled the plugin, deleted all SF> BayesIt files, and then downloaded and installed the latest SF> version (not the one that comes with 2.12.00). SF> I didn't realise that there is a different procedure for installing SF> the plugin now, Through Options-Preferences-Protection-Antispam SF> rather than Options-Preferences-Plugins as before. SF> I had to retrain but this was not a problem as I have a fairly SF> large mailbase to work with. SF> It remains to be seen how well it works now but at least it works. SF> Thanks for the help. Hope it works better for you now. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Thursday, March 31, 2005, 1:00:23 PM, you wrote: SF> Hello MikeD, SF> Thursday, March 31, 2005, 3:53:54 AM, you wrote: M3>> Hmm ... I have nothing else to suggest at this point. But you M3>> might want to look at the "Doesn't download Mail" thread and M3>> see if that has any applicability. SF> I tried that. There are no new messages with malformed headers. SF> The problem lies elsewhere. Oh well ... SF> I tried transferring most of my BayesIt installation from the old SF> machine in order to preserve the training so perhaps there is SF> something amiss with one of the configuration files. You can try experimenting with that, but I don't think that is the problem ... at least not directly. When I first started having this problem, I not only 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the training data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from reoccurring either. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 1:35:59 PM, you wrote: SF> Hello MikeD, SF> Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 5:08:46 AM, you wrote: M3>> I would be interested in hearing what (if anything) you find out. SF> It seems to be 2 accounts (rest OK) and the problem is SF> consistent, ie the mail is blocked every time. Also the Connection SF> Center locks up evry time so I have to use the 3 finger salute to SF> kill The Bat! and restart. SF> This started after a clean system and program re-install. My SF> previous installation was WIN98SE. Hmm ... I have nothing else to suggest at this point. But you might want to look at the "Doesn't download Mail" thread and see if that has any applicability. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 4:02:02 AM, you wrote: SF> Hello MikeD, SF> Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 11:49:39 AM, you wrote: M3>> I am not sure if the problem is triggered by a certain email M3>> message format or not. But my *guess* is that it has M3>> something to do with a miss-formed message header of some M3>> sort. SF> I am not sure about that because it seems to be a constant SF> problem on a couple of accounts. Well I am not sure either It just seemed that since it seems to work well for varying periods of time ... some times long, sometimes short ... my guess was that it was being triggered by something it was receiving But it is just a guess SF> I will monitor this for a while. I would be interested in hearing what (if anything) you find out. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:02:41 PM, you wrote: SF> Hello TBUDL, SF> I just clean installed everything, and imported my installation SF> from a backup, but now BayesIt is giving me trouble. SF> Sometimes all my messages will download but not be imported, SF> then the connection centre just hangs. If I remove the plugin SF> everything works fine (except for the spam). SF> I keep my Mail directory on a different drive from the SF> installation directory and I have tried running the plugin from SF> both locations but there was no difference. SF> I am running AVG Free v7. SF> Any ideas? I have this problem (at least it sounds like the problem I have) about once a week or so. It is not you Anti-virus, I use eTrust ... and have Zone Alarm Pro FWIW. If I delete the BayesIt plug-in (from options/preferences/add-ins only ... I don't delete the files or the trained data), close TB, start TB again, add BayesIt back in ... that usually fixes it for me, I can then download again and things work normally. Occasionally, that won't work and I have to do one extra step. After I have deleted BayesIt, I have to connect and get mail once. After that I can re-add BayesIt and it will work fine for a while again. I am not sure if the problem is triggered by a certain email message format or not. But my *guess* is that it has something to do with a miss-formed message header of some sort. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Plugin
Hello John, Friday, November 19, 2004, 4:02:30 PM, you wrote: JM> Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well? JM> It will pick up an occasional spam but misses most. JM> It will still fall for the same messages even after I mark them as JM> spam. JM> Spammers have gotten "hip" to how Bayesian filtering works and have devised ways to get around it by filling the message with random words and the like, so that no two messages are the same ... just as they were able to get around "name" filtering by creating fictitious addresses that were always different. It is a constant struggle. We find a new "tool", then "they" find a way around it Bayesian filtering still works, just not as effectively against the rabbid spammer who only seems to care about getting a nonsense message into your inbox ... as opposed to the commercial spammer who does want you to buy something (what are they thinking? ) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayesit
Hello Dave, Wednesday, November 3, 2004, 9:42:05 AM, you wrote: DT> Thanks Mike Always happy to be able to give back in some small way for all the help I have gotten -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
Hello Dave, Wednesday, November 3, 2004, 5:24:51 AM, you wrote: DT> How do you install this Bayesit filter? First unarchive the TBP file someplace in either the TB executable tree or the data tree. I put mine in Prg_files/TheBat/Bayesit Go to Options / PLugins. Click add and then point at the bayesit.tbp file, click OK and you are basically done. It will then be set up with some defaults. You will then need to train it before it will be any good at recognizing spam. There are two ways to do that. First, just continue to receive mail as you do now and for each spam you find, use the menu Specials - Mark as Spam (I have assigned that to Alt-J (for junk) on my system). It will have assumed everything is "ham" (i.e. non-spam) until you mark it as such, so you don't have to do anything about those. Or, if you have saved some spam and some "ham" messages saved on your system, you can save some time by training it on those messages using the specials 'mark as junk' and 'mark as not junk' to "get a leg up" as it were. Just be sure to get at least as much ham as spam in your training so that it has a good idea what it good stuff or you will end up with a lot of false positives. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit
Hello Dan, Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 8:46:34 AM, you wrote: DG> Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:31:10 +0200 (6:31 AM EST here) Dave Thomas wrote: >> Where do I find the link to the latest [Bayesit] version DG> You might want to try DG> www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.lng . I believe that is just the "language" file. The actual *plugin* file name is "bayesit073.rar" so try this for that: www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit073.rar -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
Hello Dave, Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 6:31:10 AM, you wrote: DT> Where do I find the link to the latest version Sorry, I no longer have that link handy and I cannot read the site well enough to find the link Hopefully someone else will be able to post a copy of the link for you. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Leaving a copy on server question
Hello Roelof, Friday, October 29, 2004, 6:18:42 AM, you wrote: RO> Hallo Admin, RO> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:06:09 +0100GMT (29-10-2004, 13:06 +0200, where RO> I live), you wrote: MG>> If I set one copy of The Bat to leave mail on the server will it keep MG>> downloading it every time it check or does it know it's got it once MG>> and leave it there? RO> TB will know that it has downloaded it and will leave it alone next RO> time it starts downloading mail. RO> This is because the server will give it a unique ID to enable RO> identification. Note that some servers have the tendency to reissue RO> these ID's when the mailbox has been accessed by IMAP or webmail. MG>> So that, the other copy of The Bat on a different machine (set to MG>> delete) will then get its one copy and delete the email. RO> That's risky. That might mean that the second machine deletes messages RO> that the first PC has not downloaded yet. RO> When you're using both PC's at least once a day, you'd best set both RO> copies of TB to leave on server for two days. Not necessarily. If the installation that "leaves a copy on the server" (aux) is there merely to test new versions ... or is there to check on mail during the day, but is not your "main system", it would not be a problem to delete from the "main" system. The only problem that I see in this case is that you lose access to your replies made from the "aux" machine ... unless you CC or BCC yourself on all replies made from that machine. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Boycott then purchase of V3
Hello WilWilWil, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 4:58:36 PM, you wrote: M3>> There is *NO* bug free software that is as complicated as an email M3>> client. OE has bugs, Eudora has bugs, Agent Mail has bugs, pegusus M3>> has bugs ... see a pattern here? W> I agree with you but you don't have to pay for all this W> softwares... My opinion is that it's more easy to ignore bugs when W> the soft is free. And imagine you accept idea of bugs, you don't W> accept idea of not having support for a soft you've paid. Perhaps, but in terms of "bugs per buck" there are programs like ... Microsoft windows, Office, outlook express, internet explorer and others that I had to spend **LOTS** more money to acquire that have as many or more bugs than TB did for me. But of course, based on the message traffic here and in the beta site, there were people that had a lot more problems than I did. So the number and severity of the problems that you had could certainly affect your perception of the issue -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Boycott then purchase of V3
Hello z5worg, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 10:20:45 PM, you wrote: zzc> Wednesday, October 27, 2004, WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zzc> I bought v2 last January; but haven't really used it yet. I just zzc> installed it on a new computer last week. I am still using v1.62. What zzc> kinds of bugs are there in v2? Serious bugs? zzc> I just send and receive emails, filtering into different folders, very zzc> elementary macros. Should I just stayed with v.162 and forget about zzc> v2.12? I had great performance with 2.12. It worked fine, never gave me any problems ... well during the beta testing of various BayesIt beta versions I did have an occasional error and a couple of crashes, but TB was stable as a rock otherwise. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Boycott then purchase of V3
Hello WilWilWil, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 5:33:35 PM, you wrote: M>> You fared better than I did. I emailed Ritlabs on 4th September, having M>> purchased my version 2 licence on 20th August. They only took two M>> days to reply to me with:- RL >>> You are not obliged to upgrade to the 3.xx version. W> Wrong : bugs are debug only in V3 now, and user of V2 are alone with their problems... Well FWIW, I have to say that ver 2.12 was pretty damned stable for me and most users. There were features that were never added and a few problems with some of the less commonly used features (IMAP & PGP, for example). But I could have (and considered) used it for the foreseeable future. RL >> The Bat! version that you purchased is fully functional and has no time RL >>> limit in using. W> Fully functional ? Wrong again ! I prefer understood "fully W> bugged functional". And what about support ? There is *NO* bug free software that is as complicated as an email client. OE has bugs, Eudora has bugs, Agent Mail has bugs, pegusus has bugs ... see a pattern here? In the 3 or 4 years that I have been using TB, I have never had to contact Support on a technical issue. So I was not worried about the lack of support. RL >>> limit in using. Upgrading is optional. W> Such a strangely advice from a commercial company ! W> So good developers team with so pitiful sales service... Yeah ... but consider the opposite ... great marketing / lousy developers. I have run into too many of those. I prefer the RIT formula ... even if it does make me mad some times W> My latest boss always says "It's no necessary to have the best W> product : in 3rd millennium, customer want just a correct product W> but with maximum of powerful services and support. W> I prefer driving a little car and having the good garage for W> services. What is utility of having a Formula One if nobody can do W> the MAINTENANCE ? W> Problem : with The Bat, I have tasted Formula One and can't W> imagine go back to my moped ! :-) :-) :-) You can stay on 2.12. If you don't need the things that they never got working reliably, it works remarkably well and is stable as all get out. I considered that, but in the end (just this week, in fact) I decided that the cost was so minimal for the improvements that I decided to go ahead and upgrage. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt
Hello MikeD, Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 10:08:07 AM, you wrote: M3> Hello G., M3> Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 9:24:45 AM, you wrote: GM>> I'm sure this is a FAQ but I haven't been paying attention... GM>> Just upgraded to TB 3.01, no problems, but BayesIt has GM>> stopped spotting ANY spam - not that it ever was any good at it GM>> (about 1 in 3 with 2.x). Do I have to retrain the new version? M3> Unfortunately, Yes. The new install added a newer version of BayesIt M3> (unless you have been keeping up through the Beta list). If you were M3> on the older version of Bayesit (0.5.x or before) you will want to go M3> out and delete the data files and retrain. Hmmm and I should also mention that the newest version is 0.7.3 and since you are going to have to go through all that anyway, you might want to get this version before you go through all that. It is much improved over the version that was shipping with TB (unless they have caught up ) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt
Hello G., Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 9:24:45 AM, you wrote: GM> I'm sure this is a FAQ but I haven't been paying attention... GM> Just upgraded to TB 3.01, no problems, but BayesIt has GM> stopped spotting ANY spam - not that it ever was any good at it GM> (about 1 in 3 with 2.x). Do I have to retrain the new version? Unfortunately, Yes. The new install added a newer version of BayesIt (unless you have been keeping up through the Beta list). If you were on the older version of Bayesit (0.5.x or before) you will want to go out and delete the data files and retrain. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: BayesIT! and filters
Hello Stuart, Saturday, October 16, 2004, 9:06:23 AM, you wrote: SC> Michael is using Version 3 which does not have the "alternative" tab. I guess I will have to bite the bullet soon and move up to 3 -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT! and filters
Hello Michael, Friday, October 15, 2004, 11:49:11 PM, you wrote: MLW> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MLW> Hash: SHA1 MLW> Hi, MLW> I get some pretty rude email spam. I have setup a filter to delete MLW> from the server anything with certain words in the subject. Many of MLW> these still get processed by BayesIT! and not deleted from the server. MLW> I am using a series of OR statements in the filter, and it looks like MLW> the ones that get through have more than one of my special words. MLW> So, how can I make a filter that will delete from the serve any email MLW> that has one or more of these ten special words? Are you doing all 10 words in one "filter string set"? Have you tried using the "alternative" tab to create a separate "filer string set" for each of your 10 words? I have had better luck with that method over trying to build one comprehensive test string -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit Filter - How do you configure it?
Hello Greg, Sunday, October 10, 2004, 8:21:19 PM, you wrote: GS> Hello MikeD, GS> Thursday, October 7, 2004, 10:11:36 AM, MikeD (3) wrote: >> Click Add and then point it at the 'bayesit' folder and select the >> 'bayesit.tbp' GS> Done. >> That will get things started. Next you have to start showing it what >> is good email (i.e. 'ham') and what is spam (that is train it). You >> can do that in several different ways. You can just start using TB as >> before. Without anything to go on it *should* treat everything as >> ham. You then tell it what is spam. Eventually it will start to >> figure things out. GS> Ok I can do nothing and let learn on the fly, but I have about 500 GS> spam messages that I would like to use to train. >> If you have saves a lot of spam and ham samples, you can train it on >> those saved letters. That will speed up the training process. GS> How do you do this? Select all the spam messages the way you would select any messages and once you have them all selected, click on Specials and select "Mark as Spam" from that drop down menu. That is all there is to it. However, a word of caution: with only spam (and no "ham") in the training base, you are likely to get a lot of false positives because there will be lots of "spam" indicators from the spam messages you trained it with, but no (or almost no) offsetting "ham" indicators. You would be better served to wait until you have processed some "ham" mail so that the system will have some indication of what a good message will look like. One idea that someone else suggested was to use your "sent mail" for "ham" training. That might work unless you are like me and get a lot of "news letters", "news items" and the like that are nothing like what I send out Hope that helps. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Filter - How do you configure it?
Hello Dave, Thursday, October 7, 2004, 8:53:29 AM, you wrote: DT> Hi there, how do I configure the filter in version 3? You have to unarchive it and it's support files. I keep mine in a folder called (big surprise) 'bayesit' that is in the 'TheBat' program tree. Next you start TB and go to Option, Prefernces and select Plugins at the bottom of the list. Click Add and then point it at the 'bayesit' folder and select the 'bayesit.tbp' That will get things started. Next you have to start showing it what is good email (i.e. 'ham') and what is spam (that is train it). You can do that in several different ways. You can just start using TB as before. Without anything to go on it *should* treat everything as ham. You then tell it what is spam. Eventually it will start to figure things out. If you have saves a lot of spam and ham samples, you can train it on those saved letters. That will speed up the training process. That should get you started. Ask if you have any other questions. Someone will chime in -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do I know BayesIT is learning anything?
Hello Neal, Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 5:58:14 PM, you wrote: NL> One way is to look at the statistics BayesIt generates. The would be NL> found here: Options >> Preferences > Plug-ins > BayesIt > Information NL> Highlight the BayesIt plugin and click the info button and you will NL> see a large amount of data pertaining to BayesIt's actions. This is NL> were I would start anyhow. That is definitely the place to go to see what it is doing in a fairly understandable way. Another thing to do is look in Bayesit's log file. There you can see what it did with every message in the last message get. Mine is in C:\My Documents\BatMail\bayesit. But be warned, it is pretty obtuse stuff in there -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt web english web page
Hello Steve, Saturday, September 25, 2004, 7:10:59 PM, you wrote: SMK> Neal, SMK> I'm, using 06.6, which I thought was the latest version. BayesIt hasn't SMK> worked well for me since the version that came with The Bat 2.12; I don't SMK> remember its version number. That would 0.5.11. It is what I continue to return to when I have problems with a new version of the 0.6 tree. Last time I looked, it was still available. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: bayesit063.rar bayesit064.rar bayesit065.rar ?
Hello admin, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 3:35:34 PM, you wrote: >> Hello WilWilWil, >> Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 6:21:30 AM, you wrote: W>>> Io, W>>> How do you catch the information that a new release of bayesit exists ? >> Well since it is still a "work in progress", the most current release >> notices are posted to the Beta Test list. aacu> I have been trying BayesIt butafter it was installed The Bat kept aacu> crashing out with the MS 'Send Now' error report. aacu> I have unistalled it and The Bat has returned to being stable. aacu> In case I did something wring with the installation could someone tell aacu> me the right version to use, which files to put exactly where and aacu> where I can get the rar of BayesIt and which Unrar utilitry to use to aacu> unrar it? aacu> I want to be sure I re-isntall completely correctly to see if the aacu> proboem repeats itself. That has been an ongoing problem with recent versions. And while not everyone has had problems like this, many others have. I have had mixed results (as to the 'crashing' thing) myself and I went back to an earlier version. If you have version 0.5.11, that one seems to be pretty stable and works "well enough". If you want to keep "up to date" you will want to join the beta group. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit063.rar bayesit064.rar bayesit065.rar ?
Hello WilWilWil, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 6:21:30 AM, you wrote: W> Io, W> How do you catch the information that a new release of bayesit exists ? Well since it is still a "work in progress", the most current release notices are posted to the Beta Test list. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt! upgrade
Hello aceman, Monday, September 20, 2004, 3:26:43 PM, you wrote: >> Keep in mind that 0.6.6 is not a complete bayesit install. It is >> designed to replace a couple of files in the 0.6.5 install. I am not >> sure it will work correctly over top of 0.6.4 or earlier versions. abc> Yes, that is true. I only realised that when I actually *looked* in the .rar file :) That's why I also hang out in the beta forum abc> Thanks for the correction. My pleasure. We are all here to help each other! -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt! upgrade
Hello aceman, Monday, September 20, 2004, 10:35:18 AM, you wrote: abc> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit066.rar abc> or if you *really* want 0.6.4 abc> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit064.rar Keep in mind that 0.6.6 is not a complete bayesit install. It is designed to replace a couple of files in the 0.6.5 install. I am not sure it will work correctly over top of 0.6.4 or earlier versions. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! upgrade
Hello Joe, Monday, September 20, 2004, 9:37:45 AM, you wrote: J> Hello, J> I am having a crash about twice a day and was told the problem is with BayesIt! 0.6.00. J> I was also told that the problem is fixed in 0.6.4. Where/how J> can I get the upgrade to BayesIt? Actually look for ver 0.6.5 at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit065.rar -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love BayesIT!
Hello Bill, Ahhh, thanks, that makes sense. Don't know why I couldn't just figure that out Must be getting old -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 9:17:58 PM, you wrote: BM> On Tue 7-Sep-04 1:58pm -0400, MikeD (3) wrote: >> Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 12:38:31 PM, you wrote: BM>>> On Mon 6-Sep-04 7:56pm -0400, Michael L. Wilson wrote: >>>> Since the 5.10 or so, I have added the discussion and newsletter >>>> groups to the whitelist, which has sped up mail collection even more. >>>> This list generates a hundred or more email a day, and those are just >>>> passed through BayesIT, and not counted in the totals. BM>>> This appears to be a great idea for training BayesIt! BM>>> However, for actual operation after a bit of this training, BM>>> wouldn't it be better to delete those white list entries and BM>>> place them in the ignore list? >> You seem to know more about this than I do. What is the difference >> between the white list and the ignore list? I have never used the >> latter. BM> Whitelist learns and assigns a zero value (not spam). BM> Ignorelist doesn't learn and returns "not processed" to TB! BM> You can see the learning going on by examing the log and the BM> base. BM> After training for a day with my Whitelist, I simply did a BM> rename to convert that list to an Ignorelist: BM> ren whitelist.txt ignorelist.txt Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love BayesIT!
Hello Bill, Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 12:38:31 PM, you wrote: BM> On Mon 6-Sep-04 7:56pm -0400, Michael L. Wilson wrote: >> Since the 5.10 or so, I have added the discussion and newsletter >> groups to the whitelist, which has sped up mail collection even more. >> This list generates a hundred or more email a day, and those are just >> passed through BayesIT, and not counted in the totals. BM> This appears to be a great idea for training BayesIt! BM> However, for actual operation after a bit of this training, BM> wouldn't it be better to delete those white list entries and BM> place them in the ignore list? You seem to know more about this than I do. What is the difference between the white list and the ignore list? I have never used the latter. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Hello Paul, Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 8:07:07 AM, you wrote: PJ> Do you keep a folder of spam to train it with then? I delete all mine PJ> every week or so. Right, I have both a ham and a spam folder with messages for training. I empty all my junk folders into the Spam folder and all my Trash folders go to Ham. I keep both 'trimmed' to between 1500 and 2000 messages. That ends up being about 4 to 6 weeks for me. That means that I always have a relatively current set of messages to train from ... as opposed to a static copus that is months out of date. The spammers seem to come up with new ways to 'beat the system' every week or two. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT! Doesn't filter the spam as junk
Hello Terrance, Monday, September 6, 2004, 11:50:53 PM, you wrote: TH> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- TH> Hash: SHA1 TH> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- TH> Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) TH> iD8DBQFBPT4PD9yJdiuqiRERAsxtAJsGTU1Ij+G6b6vV9O+vEEqbIKz3cgCfU9wy TH> VZQabA+io6pmZOlPp2WGFfA= TH> =eei6 TH> -END PGP SIGNATURE- TH> I've fed the bayesIT lots of spam and ham: TH> Spam frequency dictionary: TH> ° C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application TH> Data\The Bat!\bayesit\base\spamdict.bye TH> ° Size: 1373 letters. TH> ° Capacity: 84 words. TH> Non-spam frequency dictionary: TH> ° C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application TH> Data\The Bat!\bayesit\base\nspamdict.bye TH> ° Size: 964 letters. TH> ° Capacity: 83507 words. TH> Current active base: TH> ° Active current base contains 28815 words. TH> ° Status: OK TH> Yet when I get mail it doesn't move it to the junk folder. TH> Anyone know why? Look at Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam. What 'threshold' is set on your system for the "Move to folder if score is greater than"? Mine is down in the single digits. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love BayesIT!
Hello Allister, Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 1:09:33 AM, you wrote: AJ> Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 12:56:34 PM, Michael wrote: MLW>> No Bayes based filter will ever be 100% perfect. I believe, however, MLW>> that BayesIT is a very good implementation of the Bayes calculations. AJ> It is such a shame, then, that it stuffs up many peoples' systems, AJ> including mine. Yes it is a shame that some people have a problem. I have too at various times. But that is something that we put up with to support something that is *very affordable* (i.e. free) and that works on many more systems than it doesn't ... we try it, identify errors and help the author get them fixed. And every version does get better and bugs that can be identified are fixed. AJ> If anyone would care to actually investigate why it does this and fix AJ> it, You do realize that the Alexi is developing this on his own just for our benefit, right? He gets no payment for this. But he cannot do it in a vacuum. It is not easy for an **individual** without the resources of someone like Microsoft to be able to test on all possible hardware-software configurations out there. He relies on us to give him useful feedback about how things fail. I am sure he would welcome your help identifying bugs. Have you written to him to see if, between the two of you, you can figure out what is not working so he can fix it? I know that, at least in the past, he has worked with others that have had problems and took the time to contact him about working through the problem. I was one of them AJ> I would seriously consider switching back. POPFile *is* slow, but AJ> it works. Also, all those folks looking at abandoning TB! can AJ> switch to whichever mail client and not lose all the training. Hmmm ... You don't seem to like the other free alternatives much either. Maybe you should invest the requisite thousands of dollars in one of the "main stream" solutions. They work (mostly) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love BayesIT!
Hello Michael, Monday, September 6, 2004, 7:56:34 PM, you wrote: MLW> Since the 5.10 or so, I have added the discussion and newsletter MLW> groups to the whitelist, which has sped up mail collection even more. MLW> This list generates a hundred or more email a day, and those are just MLW> passed through BayesIT, and not counted in the totals. Doh what a great idea. I had not thought to put stuff like that in there I have about a dozen lists that account for probably 80% or more of my email. Thanks for that suggestion. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Hello Paul, Monday, September 6, 2004, 5:23:19 PM, you wrote: >> The key there >> seems to be to completely remove all traces of the old one before >> installing and trying to train the new one. PJ> So I have to retrain each time I upgrade the BayesIT plugin. That PJ> seems rather painful. I think I'll try the Bayes Filter for a while PJ> and see how that goes. Well I don't *know* that you have to do it *every* time. But when I first went from 0.4 something to 0.5 something, I had all sorts of problems until I did the uninstall/wipe things. That may not be required to go from 0.6.0 to 0.6.1, but since it only takes an extra ... maybe 5 minutes to do the cleanup, install and retrain, it seems a small price for a good install. I loose a lot more time if I don't and then have to go back -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Hello Paul, Monday, September 6, 2004, 2:13:39 PM, you wrote: PJ>>> Can anyone point me to info regarding BayesIT and BayesFilter. PJ>>> What is the difference between them? >> BayesIT will actually work if you can get it installed. I've never >> been able to get the other one to do anything except grab program >> focus for a couple of seconds and then give me a OK dialog that needs >> to be dismissed saying, "One messages processed". PJ> Thanks; any tips on how to successfully get BayesIT installed? Mostly it is a YMMV sort of thing at the moment. You install it and it works well or it does not. I have it (BayesIt 0.6.1) working on my system. I had some early problems because I installed it over an older version. The key there seems to be to completely remove all traces of the old one before installing and trying to train the new one. If you have never installed it, you may not have any problems. But as others have said, they did. It is it is a problem for you, it is easy enough to remove it and wait to see if the next release helps you. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt! and userrights
Hello Lars, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 6:26:04 PM, you wrote: >> Besides "adjusting" access for the plugin, you may need to 'fiddle' >> some other tb file rights as well. LS> I have tried to give the users write rights to the LS> installation folder of The Bat!. But that seems not to be the LS> problem. They may need execute permissions as well. If you open the directory for the Bat and select 'properties', go the 'security' tab and select 'everyone'. Now look for 'read and execute' and check the allow box there. Also check the allow box for 'write' as you may need that as well. If you still have problems, you can select 'Full Control'. If you still have problems, then it is something else that is getting in the way. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt! and userrights
Hello Lars, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 12:41:16 PM, you wrote: >> It is also possible that it is just a permissions problem on the plug >> in file itself that needs to be changed. LS> Could be. Has no one else this problem, or are all people out LS> there working with admin rights for their accounts? I suspect that most win 2k users are set up with admin privledges, so they probably do not have that problem. Besides "adjusting" access for the plugin, you may need to 'fiddle' some other tb file rights as well. While I use win 2k regularly, I am not running TB on a win 2k system. Sorry I can't be more specific. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
Hello Lars, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 7:43:12 AM, you wrote: LS> Hello, LS> when I try to add the BayesIt! filter to the list of anti LS> spam plugings (by selecting it in the installation folder of The LS> Bat!), I get an error message, as long as the user has no LS> administrator rights (which is no option at all). What can I do LS> about this? LS> The The Bat! version, the promblem occured with, was 2.12. There must be a login on the system that has admin privledges. You can't delete them all. You will need to log in with one of those accounts and either grant your regular account permission to add the plugin or add it from that account. It is also possible that it is just a permissions problem on the plug in file itself that needs to be changed. Hope that helps. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and IMAP
Hello Sean, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 10:19:58 AM, you wrote: SH> Is the new version of Bayesit (bundled with TB3.0) supposed to work SH> with IMAP, or is it POP only? It *SHOULDN'T* matter. But, as with all things, YMMV. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Will BayesIt 0.6.0 work with TheBat! 2.12.00?
Hello Andre, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 10:08:58 AM, you wrote: AW> Hello Dan, AW> On 2 Sep 2004 at 18:35:40 -0400 GMT [00:35 CEST] you wrote: DG>> BayesIt's history.txt says: DG>> Is anyone successfully using BayesIt 0.6.0 with TheBat! 2.12.00? AW> Yes. FWIW, I see on the beta list that 0.6.1 is now out. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Will BayesIt 0.6.0 work with TheBat! 2.12.00?
Hello Dan, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:35:40 PM, you wrote: DG> BayesIt's history.txt says: DG> "Version 0.6.0 - this version is written to be included in DG> The Bat! 3.0 distribution" DG> Is anyone successfully using BayesIt 0.6.0 with TheBat! 2.12.00? I have not tried it. I just got 5.11 working days before 6 was announced and I am not ready to take that one on again ... yet But, IIRC, it *should* work just fine. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Dennis, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 10:46:13 PM, you wrote: DWG> Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! I think we are in the minority, thought -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Problems With Spam Filters and Filters
Hello Scott, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 6:53:44 PM, you wrote: SS> Howdy, SS> I deleted all traces of old filters in the sorting office, as well as SS> all traces of any anti-spam plugin. (Including the new version) SS> I then noticed that my filters started working again. SS> That one problem fixed. SS> Now when I reinstalled the SPAM filter and retaught it using 1591 SPAM SS> messages and around 2000 NON-SPAM messages, it still does not filter SS> my inbox (Which contains around 2500 SPAM and NON-SPAM messages). SS> It is also not catching any SPAM as it downloads. SS> Is there something else I can try? Well first off, I don't think bayesIt can "refilter the inbox" after the fact the way a filter can. AFAIK, it only works on incoming mail. As to why nothing seems to be getting filtered on the new mail DL, now you need to look at the settings on the Options/Preferences/Anti-Spam page. I have my "move message if score is greater than" set in the single digits. But that depends to some extent on the actual message base that you have ... how different your Ham is from Spam. There are a couple of other 'flags' you can play with, but I am less clear on how they affect things. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The msi installer is giving me a problem under Xandros
Hello Anne, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 11:17:24 AM, you wrote: A> I've been using TB! under Xandros Linux (via Crossover Office) A> for the better part of 6 months and it has worked fine for me. A> Now I have a major problem with the upgrade to v3... I cannot A> install it onto my Linux box. CO only allows installation of .exe A> files and hasn't a clue what to do with the .msi one, so it looks A> like I'm stuck at v2.12.0 :( A> Does anyone know of a way around this at all please? BTW suggesting A> going back to using Windows is *not* an option! ;) Can you fire up a version of windows long enough to get the install to work? Then you can just 'migrate' the results to your linux box. I keep a small Windows partition on most of my linux boxes for just that purpose. It is still possible to do that via a second box, but not as easy. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello WilWilWil, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:48:26 AM, you wrote: W> ==Original message text=== W> From: MikeD (3) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> W> To: Graham Dodd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> W> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 3:55:46 PM W> Subject: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1 M3>> Hello Graham, M3>> Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:13:28 AM, you wrote: GD>>> Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? M3>> The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with 2.12. It works M3>> well enough for me (but I don't need IMAP ... which was promised for 2 M3>> ... wasn't it? :-/ ) W> ===End of original message text=== W> Stay to 2.12. OK ! And how to take advantage of the new releases with corrected bugs ? W> Only persons who have paid V.3 will have the released for free ! Great operation for Ritlabs ! The announcement I received said the discount was good until Dec 1st. That should be plenty of time to see if they get enough of the bugs out and features in to justify the cost. At the moment, 2.12 works well enough that I can wait without problem -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt download?
Hello Eddie, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:32:22 AM, you wrote: EC> Dear MikeD, EC>-->> Mittwoch, 1. September 2004, 16:08:19: PC>>> [http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit053.rar] >> That is a bit out of date. 0.5.5 is the one that is included in the >> 2.12 TB distribution and the latest I have seen is 0.5.11. EC> I need to download v0.5.9 and don't know the exact link. Can someone EC> post it please? Thanks ... I don't know if old versions are kept 'live', but if they are ... the name *should* be http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit059.rar I just got 0.5.11 a couple of weeks ago and it was bayesit0511.rar. See the pattern there? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems With Spam Filters and Filters
Hello Scott, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:05:41 AM, you wrote: SS> Howdy, SS> Due to my desktop crashing completly (Motherboard, HD all fried, power SS> surge) I was not using The Bat to download my email and was instead SS> using web based for 2.5 months. In that period, I only used web based SS> and had ammassed around 4000 emails that I had not downloaded from SS> POP3. SS> Upon restoring my computer and The Batk Backup, I had 2.5 months worth SS> of email to sort. Approx 1500 would be SPAM. I managed to manually SS> click on 898 SPAM messages and move them to the junk folder. Here lies SS> one problem. The rest of the SPAM in my inbox would be the pretty much SS> the same, yet when I go to re-filter the messages, The Bat does not SS> pick up anymore SPAM (After learning from 898) which is annoying. SS> Also, my other filters no longer work, and when I create new filters SS> refiltering does not work for them either...When the refilter box SS> comes up it shows that "all" messages are being filtered which it SS> weird, as this does nor occur afterwards... SS> I am using The Bat v3 with the new SPAM plugin. SS> Is there any clues"? A couple of things ... 1.) did you train it with lots of *not* spam? It is at least as important to show it what is not spam as it is to show it spam. 2.) You mentioned restoring TB from a back up and later that you are using ver 3. Did you have an anti spam that you were using in that old "back up" version? You need to be meticulous in removing all traces of the old plug-in. Un-install it, clear out all the data files and directories that it created (there was data in the program tree as well as in the data tree on my 'Bayesit' anti-spam plug-in), re-add in the plug-in and now go retrain it. Not sure what problem you are having with filters ... are you sure that they are set correctly? I have ... at various times ... made mistakes on what I was filtering, where I was filtering, what action I was taking, etc. If they are 'hold overs' from the earlier version, you might try deleting all the filters and then putting them back in one at a time to see if maybe something was corrupted in the conversion/upgrade. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's the diff....
Hello Marck, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 8:26:42 AM, you wrote: MP>> The way I read it is that Home Edition is The Bat! and MP>> Professional Edition is SecureBat. Yes? MDP> Pretty much, yes! Except from what I am reading on the beta list, the 'seccureBat' Stuff isn't all there yet. You have to buy it now and hope that they will get that all integrated and released ... before they change the number again and make you buy an upgrade ... just like they are doing now with features that were originally promised for ver 2 that you now have to buy ver 3 to get -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs *is* a business...
Hello Nick, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 7:29:31 AM, you wrote: ND> Hello, ND> I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this, but: ND> I wonder what Ritlabs' revenues are, and how they break down? New vs. ND> repeat business. ND> I suspect that v3 will result in a wave fresh positive reviews in the ND> press. Probably praising the new "up-to-date" look and feel (not that ND> I've seen it yet) and perhaps comparing it favourably to v1.62. This ND> will trigger another generation of dissatisfied MS users to pay up, ND> and be pleasantly surprised and impressed with TB! (After all, it's ND> still uniquely powerful tool). This must sound familiar to most people ND> here - it's what happened to me: "PC Pro" 2001 I think. Well considering what has happened ... a single beta release of 3 just days ago, and the problems I see on the beta list, I don't think you are going to see any "glowing reports" from any reviewers. :-/ ND> I'd bet that this is where their real money comes from, not in keeping ND> a (vocal) few of the faithful happy. They are a business after all. If they were a *savvy* business they would have done something different. Up until this point they had a seriously devoted group of users. They would have been better off on so many different levels if they had done something along the lines of what Mandrake did when it was having cash flow problems. they harnessed their loyal user base by offering them special things ... mandrake club being the most successful of those. The users were willing to pay varying amounts of money annually to belong and get varying access to the perks that it offered. Something like that would have worked here, I think. Instead they disrespected the beta testers (they got now more advance warning than any one else), went back on promises to implement features, continued to ignore well documented bugs that have existed since version 1.x, to name just a few of the gripes I have heard. ND> Perhaps we'll all be slagging off *another* client, in another forum, ND> in a few years time? I had been a very happy TB user since ver 1.5 something. I was quite happy to pay for 2 when it came out. I would recommend it to people that mentioned they were unhappy with their current mail program or were actively looking for something new. Well ... as it stands now, at least ... I will continue to be a user of the current version (2.12) for the foreseeable future. When it no longer meets my needs I will begin to look around again. For all intents and purpose, unless something changes, I would not recommend it to anyone. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt download?
Hello Paul, Tuesday, August 31, 2004, 8:14:04 PM, you wrote: PC> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:59:29 +0200, Andre Wichartz wrote: >> Hello Peter, >> >> On 24 Aug 2004 at 16:58:43 -0400 GMT [22:58 CEST] you wrote: >> >> PK> Where can I find the latest version of BayesIt for download? >> >> PK> The site given in Plugin-BayesIt is a Russian language page of Ritlab. >> >> PK> TIA >> >> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit0511.rar PC> I have downloaded 053 from the ritlabs site: PC> Version 0.5.3 PC> [http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit053.rar] PC> (20.04.2004) That is a bit out of date. 0.5.5 is the one that is included in the 2.12 TB distribution and the latest I have seen is 0.5.11. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Graham, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:13:28 AM, you wrote: GD> Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with 2.12. It works well enough for me (but I don't need IMAP ... which was promised for 2 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Retraining BayesIT from scratch
Hello Thomas, Sunday, August 29, 2004, 4:00:54 AM, you wrote: TA> Hi fladdermöss, TA> I've recently installed the latest version of BayesIT (0.5.11). Since TA> then I've experienced sudden crashes with The Bat! I would like to TA> retrain BayesIT from scratch since I think that's the problem. TA> Can anyone tell me what files to delete? Should I delete everything TA> under BayesIT/Base/* ? I found files in two places. One place is in the "executable" tree ... that is "c:/program files/TheBat" in a generic install (but it could be somewhere else). The other place is the "data" tree. For me that is "c:\my documents\TheBat". Down (or is it up? ) from there, in each of those 'trees' there was a 'bayesit' directory with files and subdirectories. After un-loading (or deleting) Beyesit from the plugins menu, I had to delete *ALL* of those files and directories in both locations before I could get bayesit to work after training. Hope that helps. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hello Christopher, Friday, August 27, 2004, 12:32:48 PM, you wrote: CB> Hi List, CB> I installed bayesit 0.5.5 about a week ago. I trained it up CB> on the folder of junk mail I had collected, and on the non-junk. CB> Then every morning, I do a manual 'mark as junk'. To date, my junk CB> folder contains 1667 messages. The total from my non-junk folders CB> is about 3000. One thing the others did not mention ... Did you upgrade from an earlier version of Beyesit? I had some real problems until I uninstalled Bayesit, ruthlessly deleted every reference to it and it's data on my hard drive (I found files in the 'Programs' tree where the bat executables are located *AND* more data files in the Data store area). Once I re-added the plug in and trained it (yes you will want *LOTS* of Non-Spam to train it!) it has been working well. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HELP -- all incoming messages are being junked!!
Hello Terry, Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:19:40 AM, you wrote: TGM> Hello Pete, TGM> Thursday, August 26, 2004, 8:56:54 AM, you wrote: >> That did the trick. >> Is there another SPAM plugin available? TGM> Did you happen to upgrade TB! or BayesIt! lately? TGM> I had this problem when I upgraded TB! and had to "retrain" BayesIt! Not just retrain it. You will want to remove all traces of the old Beyesit (directories, files, etc.) before you install the new plug-in and try to train it. At least that is what I had to do before I could get it to start recognizing spam. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit 0.5.11
Hello, Just installed Bayesit 0.5.11 and had a couple of problems that I thought I would share. I have managed to work around them, but hopefully it is something that can get fixed in the future. After I deleted all traces of the old version, I installed the new one, then started TB and added the plugin. everything *seemed* to be fine. Next I wanted to start training it with my saved spam, so I highlighted the 2232 spam messages I had saved for training. I watched the little 'status window' count through all those messages and *try* to close the status window. That was as far as things got. The TB and my system hung to the point where C-A-Del was needed to restart the system. End Task did not even work. OK ... so re-boot, remove bayes it and all traces of data, re-install and do the same thing using the 2545 *NON* spam messages and this worked just fine. Go figure. Everything seemed to be fine, so I went back to Spam training. But this time I processed it in blocks of between 300 and 450 messages and everything seemed to work fine. I think this has something to do with trying to move the processed messages from my "holding" folder to the Junk folder. When I did the spam training in those smaller blocks, the processed messages were moved from my "spam archive" folder to the "junk" folder. But when I had tried to process the whole batch at once, nothing was moved. In any event, I now seem to have a working Bayesit -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello George, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 11:35:29 AM, you wrote: GM> DZ-Jay wrote: DJ>> Some time around 08/15/2004 11:13:49, I think I heard Stuart Cuddy say: >>>What is Graham? >>>What is Spam-grade? DJ>> AFAIK, spam-grade would be the probability of it being spam, and DJ>> Graham, I suppose, means the probability of it being not-spam (I DJ>> suppose, non-spam-grade > ham-grade > graham ?) GM> It might be coincidence, but Paul Graham has written much about GM> Bayesian filtering. I'd guess it has something to do with his GM> methodology. Even if I'm wrong, there's some interesting reading at: GM> http://www.paulgraham.com/antispam.html Yes, Paul uses a slightly modified algorithm from the original Bayes. So does that mean it is calculating using both algorithms to create two values? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 10:20:52 AM, you wrote: DJ> Some time around 08/15/2004 09:24:56, I think I heard MikeD (3) say: DJ>>> I was too. I just upgraded yesterday to 0.5.9 and I haven't DJ>>> noticed a difference. It does provide a white/black list, which I DJ>>> don't care to use because it defeats the purpose of a Bayesian DJ>>> filter (there's huge discussion -- more like religious wars -- DJ>>> about this on the POPFile list hehe). Also, the kludges.txt file DJ>>> doesn't seem to be implemented either (ignore list for headers). >> That's too bad DJ> I just learned (by re-reading a babelfished translation of DJ> the russian BayesIt page) that the "kludges" file (whitelist of DJ> kludges) does seem to work, except I misunderstood it. I thought DJ> it worked like POPFile's "ignore" list, which ignores the DJ> specified tokens when computing the probability of a message. But DJ> it is not a list of just "tokens", it is a list of header names DJ> that will be ignored, for example, if you put in the list: DJ> message-id DJ> x-mailer DJ> subject DJ> If will ignore the values of headers that start with those DJ> strings. This is very useful, though. DJ> I wonder, is the "ignore" list in the black/white list rules DJ> window what I confused the kludges list for? i.e. is it akin to DJ> the POPFile ignore list? Anybody know? Hmmm ... does it just ignore those 'lines' in the header? If so, I don't think that will be a problem for me. My Kludges contains: x-spam-checker-version x-spam-level x-spam-report x-spam-status x-uidl And I don't think any of those are causing a problem. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello Pete, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 9:52:14 AM, you wrote: PH> Sunday, August 15, 2004, 7:44:17 AM, you wrote: AW>> Hello MikeD, AW>> On 14 Aug 2004 at 14:47:24 -0500 GMT [21:47 CEST] you wrote: AW>> Have you deleted you spam and non-spam dictionary files when you AW>> upgraded? PH> What are their names and where are they? Originally I had two sets of dictionaries. One (I assume for the old version were in c:\Program Files\TheBat\bayesit\base. The current version is creating the following files here ... c:\My Documents\BatMail\bayesit\base transact spamdict.idx nspamdict.idx spamdict.lst spamdict.bye nspamdict.lst selective.txt nspamdict.bye -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 9:31:38 AM, you wrote: DJ> Some time around 08/15/2004 09:23:46, I think I heard MikeD (3) say: >> Hello Andre, >> Sunday, August 15, 2004, 6:44:17 AM, you wrote: AW>>> Have you deleted you spam and non-spam dictionary files when you AW>>> upgraded? >> Funny, that. When I first upgraded I did not and it seemed to work >> fine ... until I rebooted. DJ> Strange... rebooting shouldn't affect anything... Well I am guessing that because I had been running the old version of Bayesit earlier in the day, that it continued to use that until I rebooted. It is the only thing that I can think of that makes sense. >> After that, yes, I deleted all the dict files I could find. >> Apparently there were two sets, one from the old version and one set >> from the new. DJ> I had to do the same thing when upgrading from v0.4gm to DJ> v0.5.4 because I was having problems. >> I then re-trained it on the accumulated spam and ham folders I have >> with about 2,000 messages each. BTW, If I give Bayesit all 2,000 >> messages at once to "chew on", it would hang. If I gave it in >> "chunks" it seemed to work OK DJ> Hum... after deleting the dict files, I trained normally with DJ> lots of spam/non-spam messages (I'm pretty sure it was more than DJ> 2,000) without a problem. So I don't know what could have DJ> happened in your case (?) DJ> I personally find BayesIt extremely powerful, accurate, and DJ> fast (I come from POPFile, with an accuracy of 99.6 % which DJ> required a LOT of manual tuning, had quite some false positives, DJ> and was VERY slow...), but what it misses it *really* misses (0%, DJ> as opposed to some mid-way value). I have used several 0.4 versions and they worked great, so I am guessing that I just need to 'fix' a setting somewhere ... or at least I hope that is it -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
