Re: Shrink text in OO4

[Dale Erwin]

On 7/16/2016 10:41 AM, ke...@kge.me.uk wrote:

Hi,

I need to shrink a section of text, in OpenOffice 4 writer, so it shows
very small but can still be read by the computer. Can you tell me how to
do this (if it can be done)?

Many thanks

Keith Edwards


Up to a certain point, depending on the font you are using. Highlight 
the text you want affected and then adjust the point size.  To do this, 
in the tool bar near the top of the window, there is a box with the name 
of the font (the default is Times New Roman) and next to that is a box 
with the point size in effect (12 is the default).  Click on the arrow 
to the right of this 12 and select a smaller number.  Some fonts can be 
made smaller than others.



Dale Erwin

Re: Opening docx files

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/30/2016 12:11 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi.
yes, it can open .docx files without any problem.
but saving as docx is not possible currently.


Saving as .docx was not supported by version 3 either.

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Re: can't open 2 programs at once

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/6/2016 12:59 PM, jd1008 wrote:
One way is to simply click on file -> open ... and open the text 
document in question - you do not need the 8 choice
menu all over again - however, and unfortunately, aoo does not seem to 
support multiple instances of it to be

running simultaneously.


You don't need multiple instances of the program.  The same instance of 
the program can open multiple documents at the same time.


Dale

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Re: font size changing by itself

[Dale Erwin]

On 5/14/2016 2:55 PM, Louise LMM . wrote:

Hello,

see down for the message. I never had before when I changedfrom 12 to another 
size it automatically moves to 12. What do I use to keep the page going in 16 
and when I change it  to 16 to keep it in 16 when it suddenly changes to 12 , 
sometimes I have the size on 16 , and type something while in that space it was 
16 it suddenly changes to 12 it happens over and over and i work for almost 5 
years with Open Office - please help me out , I write in 16 and suddenly the 
writing becomes 12. It is become like a struggle.


I have had that happen to me a couple of times.  What my problem was 
(and it might be yours as well) there were some spaces on the page with 
nothing in them , so could not be seen, that were set at the default 
12.  Then I would change to font size to something else where I was, but 
when I got to those other places it seemed to magically change back to 
12.  The solution I found was to highlight the entire page by holding 
down the mouse button and swiping the entire page and then change the 
font size.


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Re: so confused I have no idea who to contact!

[Dale Erwin]

On 4/26/2016 5:22 PM, FKnapp wrote:

Briana:
OK, I am no real expert on OO but if you are using MS Windows 
(assumed) this is more of an operating system function.  If you use 
the 'save' button it is saved in the last format you used. It looks 
like you save something in PDF before and the system 'remembered' that 
and uses that as the default format. Try using the 'Save As' selection 
from the FILE selection in the top toolbar. This will set the default 
for that doc, and possibly all others. If doing this shows the desired 
extension then you are good to go.

Floyd Knapp


On 4/26/2016 1:05 PM, multicatz3...@aol.com wrote:
recently, every document saves to Adobe---I do not want this and 
cannot find out how to change/get rid of it.  Also, when I try to 
print all I get is the documents save screen and am currently unable 
to print anything in open office.  HELP!!!



Briana


Floyd, I don't know which version of OO you are using, but mine is AOO 
4.1.2 and it does NOT Save to PDF.  You have to EXPORT it to PDF.  Also, 
the original poster did not say her document was being saved to PDF, but 
rather to Adobe which may or may not mean PDF.


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Re: font size changing by itself

[Dale Erwin]

On 4/21/2016 7:12 AM, Louise LMM . wrote:

Hello,
Writing type New Times in 16, but it constantly changes to 12 - is very boring 
never had that before PLEASE HELP ASAP!!


What is probably happening is:  Since 12 is the default, when you change 
to 16 you probably don't have the entire document selected which still 
leaves some parts of the document with 12 still in effect.


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Re: Windows 10 and Apache open office

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/29/2016 7:46 AM, Lucy Blake wrote:

Hi
I wonder if you can tell me if I upgrade my laptop computer to Windows 10, will 
I still be able to use the Apache open office package that is currently on my 
laptop?
Thanks for any help you can offer
Regards
LU.
Sent from my iPad


I upgraded to Windows 10 about six months ago and have had no problems 
with Open Office under it.


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Re: question

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/28/2016 12:45 AM, eli wrote:

hello,


i downloaded open office version 4.0.1. There is no icon, or anything to open. 
Just a bunch of files. do i need  certain application to open it? did it not 
download fully?


any advice on this would be appreciated.


thanks,



eli


I would strongly advise you to install the latest version which is 
4.1.2.  And be sure you download it only from www.openoffice.org .


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Re: Spanish documents

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/26/2016 8:25 PM, Tina wrote:

I use on-line dictionaries to check my work. By the way, Spanish is not an easy 
language to translate into and you have to be quite fluent in it to do a really 
good job. Linguee is a good on-line one as well as word reference. Should you 
need any help, please let me know. I a currently translating a book from 
Spanish into English, well, rather, I am doing the revision of it. Linguee is 
really good because I get several synonyms to choose from, in context even.
Tina


I'm not really translating.  I'm composing this document in Spanish.  
Most of the errors I'm talking about are writing "or" instead of "o" or 
"che" instead of  "que" and similar.  I think it's because my fingers 
type faster than my brain can keep up.


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Re: Spanish documents

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/26/2016 5:59 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Dale Erwin wrote:

I am currently composing a lengthy document in Spanish and just
discovered I do not have a Spanish dictionary.  I thought I did. So, I
downloaded and installed the Spanish language pack thinking that would
solve my problem.  However, I am still without spell check in Spanish.
Is there something else I need to do?


Language packs do not contain dictionaries. A language pack is to be 
used if you want menus in Spanish, not spell-checking in Spanish.


Download Spanish dictionaries from http://extensions.openoffice.org/

The one we bundle with the Spanish version is this one: 
http://extensions.openoffice.org/node/1657


Regards,
  Andrea.
Thank you Andrea.  Spanish spell check is now working for me.  Wow, I 
was amazed at how many times I used the right word but from the wrong 
language (some English and some Italian).


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Spanish documents

[Dale Erwin]

I am currently composing a lengthy document in Spanish and just 
discovered I do not have a Spanish dictionary.  I thought I did. So, I 
downloaded and installed the Spanish language pack thinking that would 
solve my problem.  However, I am still without spell check in Spanish.  
Is there something else I need to do?


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Graphics hijacked from[Re: Informations about developers for the convertion of MS Office macro into macro OpenOffice

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/26/2016 10:00 AM, John Caruso wrote:

  Open Office does not display embedded graphics in documents. That feature 
seems to be basic to all word processing products. I have to go through several 
machinations and only get to see them in postage stamp size. When will Open 
Office display embedded graphics correctly? Thank you


Maybe you should be a little more specific about your problem.  I am 
working on a document in AOO Writer at this moment in which I have a ton 
of graphics and have had no problems with with them.


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Re: Images with Text

[Dale Erwin]

I can't even find the email now, but the first suggestion I read was to 
put the image in the background and then type over it, and that seemed 
to work just fine.  Only problem was that the background was on every 
page.  So I undid everything, made a new page style for the page with 
the image.  Now something is happening that I have never experienced 
before.  When I put the cursor in the page where I want the image to 
appear and double-click on the page style I created, nothing happens... 
at least that's what I thought but what happened is that the first page 
of the document was set to the style and not the page where I wanted the 
image.


No matter what page in the document I select, the style gets applied to 
the first page, and since the Next style is set to the main style, it is 
the only page with the background image.  I've never seen this behavior 
before.  What am I doing wrong?  Why doesn't the page style I 
double-click get applied to the page where the cursor is?


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Images with Text

[Dale Erwin]

I would like to know if there is any way to insert images in my text 
document in such a way that I can then place text superimposed on the 
images.  So far, I have only been able to put text above or below, 
although I seem to remember having put text to the side of an image in 
the past.  But now I need to put text inside the image.  Is there any 
way to do that?


Dale Erwin



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Re: finding how to address envelopes

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/18/2016 12:35 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:14:03 -0500
Dale Erwin  wrote:



There are about 6 different sizes preprogrammed into Writer for printing
envelopes, but I don't really know what size those numbers represent

Standard International and US envelope sizes are given in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope


But I don't live in the US and those aren't readily available to me.

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Re: finding how to address envelopes

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/18/2016 11:00 AM, ted pittinaro wrote:

Hello
I have open office 4 and having difficulties finding what source of the program 
is used to address envelopes, I can find how to do labels but not addressing 
envelopes, can you help
Thank you

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

d


There are about 6 different sizes preprogrammed into Writer for printing 
envelopes, but I don't really know what size those numbers represent, so 
the way I have been printing envelopes is this:


1.  Measure the envelope I want to print
2.  Open a new text document in Writer
3.  Under Format > Page I set up a User format to the size of the 
envelope I want to print
4.  Set the margins so that there isn't too much space between the 
return address and the edge
5.  Type in return address and destination address as I want them to 
appear on the envelope

6.  Print

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Re: Open Office Writer UTTER , UTTER Rubbish (or not)

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/13/2016 8:40 AM, Darren Myers wrote:

Max
  
I am a developer in BMC / People soft  applications, 32 years and 4 months  overall experience..
  
I shouldn't have to delete a profile and re-create it and go through that pain in order to get the most basic function working.

Open office need to fix this MAJOR problem.  It was an issue for users in 4.1.1 
and still in 4.1.2
  
However it really doesn't matter now, I simply opened my MS doc up online and MICROSOFT! allows you to edit and SPELL CHECK.

Lets be honest and truthful here, Open office is inferior, and by all accounts 
the worst freeware I have ever installed or used.


Sorry to hear you're having so much of a problem with Open Office. I've 
never had any myself, so the only advice I can offer is:  Don't let the 
door hit you in the ass on the way out.




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Re: Euro Symbol...?--Euro Symbol?--"No Prob" for Windows

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/2/2016 10:41 PM, Martin Rosenfeld wrote:

If he really is running OS/2 (I think eComStation is the current
rendition) he will probably have to change his code page.  But I don't
think the eComStation (eCS) version of Open Office is handled by Apache
and he should probably ask on the eCS mailing list.


I am running eCS but am getting used to calling it OS/2 again because 
there is another distro of OS/2 about to come on line at present 
called Blue Lion. I use Adobe OpenOffice for OS/2 and can now make a 
euro symbol with alt+213 (but not with altGR+213). It's been 
interesting how you guys have been arguing about Windows and Linux and 
even Apple systems when I originally asked a question about OS/2.


Most people these days don't know what OS/2 is.  They think it is some 
past release of OSX.  I ran eCS until a year or so ago when I bought a 
new computer and it wouldn't install.  That was 2.0 and my subscription 
ran out before 2.1 was released.  I didn't renew it because I couldn't 
install it.


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Re: Euro Symbol...?--Euro Symbol?--"No Prob" for Windows

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/1/2016 7:15 AM, James Knott wrote:

If he's running Windows (I thought the OP said OS/2), it's a simple
matter to select the U.S  International layout, to get the € symbol and
many others.  You can even enable multiple layouts and switch among them.


If he really is running OS/2 (I think eComStation is the current 
rendition) he will probably have to change his code page.  But I don't 
think the eComStation (eCS) version of Open Office is handled by Apache 
and he should probably ask on the eCS mailing list.


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Re: Euro Symbol...?--Euro Symbol?--"No Prob" for Windows

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/2/2016 7:19 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 03/02/2016 06:07 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

For anyone who's good at touch typing, that would slow them down.

FWIW: I frequently need to type the € character on a standard US
keyboard and for a long time have used the "AutoCorrect -> Replace"
option, by adding :?: (colon + question mark + colon) as my personal
auto correction replacement for the Euro character. This works for me in
both AOO & LO under Windows & Linux (presumably it would also work for
OSX & OS2). There is a minor (slightly inconvenient) difference between
AOO & LO, in that AOO requires a space or return character to
immediately follow the chosen AutoCorrect string.

So, now you're hitting 3 or 4 keys and you'd have to set up something
for each special character.  I just press right Alt & 5 to get €.

Again, it's so easy to set up the U.S. International layout on Linux &
Windows (no idea about Mac) that there's no need to use those tricks.

I have my keyboard configured to support U.S. English, U.S.
International and Greek (for electronics symbols).  I can easily switch
among them as needed.


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Even with the US International keyboard (which is what I use also), not 
all fonts have all the characters.  I use US International keyboard 
layout so that I can write documents in Spanish and Italian as well as 
English.  But you still have to make sure that the font you are using 
has the characters you want.  Otherwise, I don't think any method will 
create the characters for you.


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Re: Euro Symbol...?--Euro Symbol?--"No Prob" for Windows

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/1/2016 7:15 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 02/29/2016 11:41 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:

No need to do anything "special" to get "special" characters (like the
euro symbol) if you're using any Microsoft OS, from Windows XP up to
Windows 7. Just use the Windows "Character Map Utility" that came
installed on your computer when you bought it.

If he's running Windows (I thought the OP said OS/2), it's a simple
matter to select the U.S  International layout, to get the € symbol and
many others.  You can even enable multiple layouts and switch among them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards#/media/File:KB_US-International.svg

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What's wrong with Insert > Special Character.  It's available in writer 
and calc, but I don't know about the other components.


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Re: Open Office changing my document from word

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/21/2016 4:49 AM, David Rivers wrote:

There are many people here who are prepared to help others for free.
 Hopefully you got this software free.
It's free because it is open source software.
That means it is transparent allowing you to copy the software and 
change it.
Those of us who understand its workings enough to change it can make 
changes to suit themselves or others.
Apache hosts the software and provides updates and add-ons but because 
it is free they can provide no help desk service.
Therefore we users help each other, by politely asking for advice or 
help from the group.
It is very difficult to provide or offer help to one who demands help 
rudely  like a spoilt child, then insults another user who is rightly 
offended by this.

You might note that more flies are caught by honey than vinegar ... :-)


Of course I'm not a moderator, so I don't know for sure, but I really 
doubt that Cathy Colorado is subscribed to this list, so she probably 
will never see this.


Dale

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Re: Open Office 4 text problem

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/19/2016 3:13 PM, Don Daugherty wrote:

On 1/10/2016 12:31 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2016-01-10 16:49 GMT+01:00 Roy Noble :


I was typing up a document on your word program and suddenly without my
realization of deleting the text, it all disappeared.


It's too late now (I'm guessing) but if this sort of thing happens 
again, try pressing (and holding) Ctrl and then Z to undo whatever 
caused the problem.


That also happened to me once not too long ago.  Is Ctrl Z the keyboard 
shortcut for Undo?  If so, I doubt it will work.  When it happened to 
me, I clicked on the Edit menu and instead of Undo, it said Can't Undo 
and it was greyed out.  I had to re-key the entire document.  
Fortunately, it hasn't happened again... yet.


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Re: revolting support

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/11/2016 8:14 PM, John Hart wrote:

On 1/11/2016 5:21 PM, Richard Detwiler wrote:

On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:


Brian Barker  said:

The difference in the message you quote is that the To: field did 
*not* contain the list address.


Then asked:

Was this put into a Bcc: field by the author?

I'm not sure why he asked me that, I'm not clairvoyant,
so I responded:

How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with 
random addresses?


To which you replied.

Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".

And we've gone in a complete circle.

Mail from the list has the wrong address, but it's the user's fault
so nothing can or should be done about it according to Brian.

Usenet was a much better forum than lists, I guess that's why the 
establishment killed it.




I am subscribed to a large number of mailing lists and this list server 
is the only one that ever happens on.  None of my other mailing lists 
ever send me messages that end up in my inbox.  But this one does.   I 
think the OP has a valid point.


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Re: Please Help

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/11/2016 7:50 PM, John Hart wrote:

On 1/11/2016 2:59 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:

On Jan 11, 2016, at 16:13, Peter Koch  wrote:

I am trying to generate random numbers without duplicate numbers 
being generated.
Mathematicians will tell you that a set of numbers isn't truly random 
if duplicates are disallowed.  You seem to want a random ordering of 
the integers in the range.



Power Ball tickets don't have space for duplicate numbers


Mathematicians, Shmathematicians, I submit that no set of 
computer-generated numbers is truly random.  Pseudo-random is the best 
you can hope for.


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Re: Spreadsheets

[Dale Erwin]

On 12/23/2015 10:13 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:

You have given me the information that I was looking for. Thanks!
I am writing a chapter, Planning/Designing your Database, for 
LibreOffice. Since many people use spreadsheets and shy away from 
databases, I wanted something to compare the two. The general 
conception seems to be creating databases is difficult, and creating 
spreadsheets is easier. I wanted to show that the basic principles for 
creating a database are not very different from creating a spreadsheet.


One problem I see with your premise is that with the database, after it 
is created you have to then create some sort of application to 
manipulate/retrieve the data.


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Re: Capatible with windows 10

[Dale Erwin]

On 11/28/2015 4:47 PM, Richard Kerner wrote:

is open office Compatible with windows 10? if not do you have a similar product 
that is?
   
311 No. Robertson Blvd. # 288

Beverly Hills, CA 90211
Tel: 323.658.9180
 


I have just recently upgraded to Windwos 10 and have had no problems so far.

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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

[Dale Erwin]

Well it's difficult to confuse a link with plain text when it's a big button 
labeled "download"

On Nov 12, 2015 6:00 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Dale Erwin  
> wrote: 
>
> >   It really annoys me how sourceforge puts all those other download links 
> > on the open office download page 
>
>
> Those are most of the time not links, but advert banners. 
>
> Big difference. Web users should learn to know the difference between a 
> regular text link, a web page button and a bitmap (image) with text written 
> on it. Just hovering the mouse cursor over an banner image will usually 
> tell you (by looking at the browser's status bar) where that takes you if 
> you click. 
>
> In fact if you read the TEXT on the Sourceforge page it tells you that the 
> download is starting automatically in 5 seconds.  "Your download will start 
> shortly" followed by "Your download will start in 5 seconds". Which 
> counts down to zero when it finally starts. 
>
> I have installed an adverts blocker in my browser so I don't even see 
> whatever 3rd party advert banner the site might want to show me. 
>
> See this screenshot for what I mean: 
> http://s28.postimg.org/5v08sx5yl/adverts.png 
>
> (on the screenshot I was downloading another program, not AOO, but the 
> point is made) 
>
> FC 
>
> PS: Every time I see someone saying "you should ditch Sourceforge" I'm 
> forced to repeat the same: Sourceforge.net has one feature that IMHO all 
> other alternatrives lack, namely LOCAL MIRRORS. I'm down in Argentina and 
> the nearest SF.net mirror is in Brazil, so my download is initiated from 
> the Brazilian mirror. SF.net has local mirrors all around the world 
> Link for a list of mirrors: 
> http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Mirrors/ 
>
> ...which means users get faster downloads and ISPs do not overload 
> international pipes. 

Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

[Dale Erwin]

Just one thought, though, when you click on the download button, it will 
transfer you to the sourceforge site.  DO NOT click on any download 
button on the sourceforge site.  Just wait a few seconds and your 
download will begin.  It really annoys me how sourceforge puts all those 
other download links on the open office download page, as well as all 
the others pages they host.  I also hear that many of those other links 
are to dangerous programs including spyware.  I would be very happy if I 
heard that Apache had stopped using the sourceforge link.  Every time 
this subject comes up, someone always jumps in to defend them saying 
they no longer do that, but the problems with their site continue.


Dale Erwin


On 11/12/2015 5:16 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

That's strange because I just downloaded it from there.

On Nov 12, 2015 4:57 PM, "V. & B. Electric"  wrote:

Hello,
I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released
<http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412> from below link: "
http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; but there is no download available.
Could you tell me if it is really available or not.
Thank you for your time.
Regards,

--
*Victor Brasoveanu*



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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

[Dale Erwin]

That's strange because I just downloaded it from there.

On Nov 12, 2015 4:57 PM, "V. & B. Electric"  wrote:
>
> Hello, 
> I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released 
>  from below link: " 
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; but there is no download available. 
> Could you tell me if it is really available or not. 
> Thank you for your time. 
> Regards, 
>
> -- 
> *Victor Brasoveanu* 

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Re: The requested operation requires elevation.

[Dale Erwin]

That message "Do you want to allow this app from an unknown publisher... 
etc." should not be coming up when you open the Open Office 
application.  It should only come up when you open the Installer to 
install Open Office.


Dale Erwin

On 10/28/2015 5:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:



-Original Message-
From: Michael Crook [mailto:mick.cro...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:27
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: The requested operation requires elevation.

Hello, Still got same problem, when trying to open a saved ODF document,
opens OK when opened from the recent docs menu within the app though. I
also get User account control message when opening openoffice, "Do you
want to allow this app from an unknown publisher to make changes to your
PC? Any advice welcome.
Many Thanks.Mick Crook.Mob: 07806771881

[orcmid]

It is OK to say "yes" to that message. It is just to make certain that you
downloaded that software, are aware of it, and want to run it.  This may
also remove the difficulty launching directly from files.



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Re: Top posting

[Dale Erwin]

On 10/14/2015 12:05 AM, Marilyn Safier wrote:

Why it has become prevalent?
Because you can read it first and only need to go below if you need to
refer to something, that's why!


People who top post never look below the first few lines of any message 
and cannot be bothered to weed out and eliminate irrelevant content, 
such as all those footers added by so many mailing lists. A long-running 
conversation can reach hundreds of pages of nothing but endless 
repetitions of those footers overrunning mailboxes and bogging down 
transmission times, especially in places where internet connections are 
slow.  It's a very inconsiderate practice.



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Re: Top posting

[Dale Erwin]

On 10/13/2015 4:13 PM, William K Helbig Jr wrote:

A quick lesson on top posting.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

Skip H


I agree and can't understand why it has become so universally prevalent.

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Re: Open Office Issues

[Dale Erwin]

On 10/9/2015 3:50 PM, J H wrote:

John Hitchler

702-415-1967

hitchl...@msn.com


Problems;

   1) When “save as” sometimes program freezes. Have to restart computer / Have 
to recover text because of crash

   2) I have 4.1.0 … thinking maybe I need to upgrade to 4.1.1 but program 
won’t allow me to

   3) When I want to view downloads-I.E. a box appears that gives me the option 
to open or save

 * I click open, doesn’t open

 * I click save, nothing happens

   4) When “save as” to desktop, documents, or pictures the file that I have to 
save in is;

   ODF Text Doc (.odt)(*.odt)

   Adobe won’t allow me to save it … says file is corrupt or damaged

   5) When I “save” only it is saved as pdf - but I can’t open it


Can you help me?






Sent from Windows Mail


I don't understand why you are using Adobe to edit or save an .odt 
file.  You should be using Open Office Writer.  If you want to use 
Adobe, you should first use Writer to export the file to .pdf.


Dale

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Re: numbering of pages

[Dale Erwin]

On 9/20/2015 7:54 PM, jimisuz1 . wrote:

I would like to know how to set the "page" settings so I can print,, as an
example,,,  pages: 1,3,5,7,9etc. without having to print the even
numbered pages.
I have been  trying to do so.
The information I am trying to print in this manner comes as an attachment
of an e-mail.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,,
James
geminix1...@gmail.com



The option for "odd pages only" is not in the AOO Page settings, but 
rather is found in the print dialog AFTER YOU HAVE EXPORTED TO PDF.


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Re: To delete Open Office

[Dale Erwin]

On 9/19/2015 10:14 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

You can change the default application without uninstalling Apache OpenOffice.

  1. To uninstall Apache OpenOffice, use the Control Panel and the provision 
under Programs for uninstalling.
 This may or may not restore the preferences.

  2. You can change the default preferences for what application opens a file 
this way.
 Find a .doc file in your File Explorer in Windows.  Right click on the entry.  
Choose the Open With ... on the context menu that comes up.  It should give you a list of 
programs Windows expects might work.  Be sure to check the "Use this program as the 
default" and select Microsoft Word, which should be listed.
 Do this for all of .docx, .ppt, .pptx, etc., using a file of that kind.

If you do not see file extensions (.doc, .ppt, etc) on your version of Windows, 
you will need to make those visible.  If you specify which version of Microsoft 
Windows you are running, we can help you about that.

  - Dennis

Please reply to .  If I receive a reply directly 
to me, I take that as permission to forward to users@ as I see fit, where the 
community can benefit and also contribute to a solution for you.


Just wondering... can MS Office open .odt and other open document files?

Dale Erwin

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Re: OpenOffice può aprire file "docx" e "xlsx"?

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/5/2015 2:51 AM, ams5...@virgilio.it wrote:

  Salve, ho scaricato qualche giorno fa il vostro programma, molto interessante.
Ho cercato di aprire file "docx" e "xlsx", ma non riesco.
Invece, i file "doc" e "xls" si aprono.
OpenOffice può aprire file "docx" e "xlsx"?
Grazie mille e cordiali saluti,
Massimo Angeli (Italia)


Credevo che sì fosse possibile aprire i file docx e xlsx con le ultime 
versioni di OO.  Da quale sito l'hai scaricato?  Dovresti scaricarlo 
solo dal sito openoffice.org.


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Re: technical issue

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/3/2015 10:53 AM, toki wrote:

On 08/03/2015 10:36 AM, DaveMainwaring wrote:


Putting your photo on resume is considered a NO NO, bad idea

In most countries, requiring a resume to include a photograph is a
violation of local equal opportunity/affirmative action laws.

In some regions, many firms have an official policy of rejecting all
applications that include photographs, or videos of the applicant.

That said, there are fields of endeavor in which including a photograph
is the usual and standard practice. So much so, that the failure to
include a photograph is a guarantee that one will not be considered for
the position.

jonathon

 At the same time there are some countries where a photo is expected 
and everyone does it.  I happen to be living in such a country.


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Re: Number Formatting

[Dale Erwin]

On 7/28/2015 5:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

Environment: AOO 4.1.1 under Win 7.

I am using a table in Writer for as tabulation because I want some 
columns left-justified and some columns right-justified.  The 
right-justified columns contain dollars and cents.  Every time I enter 
an amount that ends in .00, it eliminates the two zeroes. For 
instance, if I enter 27.00, after I tab out of that column it changes 
to 27 (right-justified).  If I click on 'Undo Auto Format' the 27.00 
is restored, but the cursor is put back into the cell and getting out 
of the cell once again changes it to 27 (right justified).  I have 
searched the table properties, but cannot find the control for this.  
Can someone please tell me where to find it?


Dale Erwin



Never mind... I found it.

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Number Formatting

[Dale Erwin]

Environment:  AOO 4.1.1 under Win 7.

I am using a table in Writer for as tabulation because I want some 
columns left-justified and some columns right-justified.  The 
right-justified columns contain dollars and cents.  Every time I enter 
an amount that ends in .00, it eliminates the two zeroes.  For instance, 
if I enter 27.00, after I tab out of that column it changes to 27 
(right-justified).  If I click on 'Undo Auto Format' the 27.00 is 
restored, but the cursor is put back into the cell and getting out of 
the cell once again changes it to 27 (right justified).  I have searched 
the table properties, but cannot find the control for this.  Can someone 
please tell me where to find it?


Dale Erwin

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Re: Styles

[Dale Erwin]

Thank you, Dennis.  I'm glad someone understood my question.  I was 
beginning to doubt my English skills, even though it is my native 
language... but, then, I suppose it must be a second language for some 
of the responders.


Dale Erwin


On 7/2/2015 7:39 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

Dale Erwin asks whether updated templates will automatically update the 
template-defined styles in a document previously created with that template.

The short answer is "no."

Although the file name of a template used to create a document can be carried in the document 
metadata, not all implementations seem to produce it.  Also, the template with that file name 
might not be locatable when the document is opened on a different computer.  If the template 
file has been retained, it will appear in the "Template:" entry row of the File > 
Properties ... > General dialog-box tab.

There is a Load Styles ... option on the "Styles and Formatting" dialog though 
(under the rightmost button pull-down in the dialog toolbar), and it will load styles 
from a document file including from a template.  Experiment with that.

  - Dennis

-----Original Message-
From: Dale Erwin [mailto:dale.er...@casaerwin.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 15:10
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Styles

[ ... ]

So my question is:  After I do this, will documents created on this
template before the template change be automatically updated to reflect
the changes in these modified styles?

Dale Erwin



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Styles

[Dale Erwin]

All this talk about styles has reminded me of a question I have had for 
some time.


I have found no way to directly edit a template.  All I've been able to 
do is open a new document based on that new template, then without 
naming the document or adding content to the document, I modify the 
styles I need to modify and then save it again which overwrites the 
original template of the same name.


So my question is:  After I do this, will documents created on this 
template before the template change be automatically updated to reflect 
the changes in these modified styles?


Dale Erwin

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Re: basic reference for openoffice 4.1.1 use??

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/28/2015 12:19 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

Any Style, even built in styles, can usually be Modified.  Do this by /Format 
/Styles and Formatting.  Across the top of that window will be five icons which 
select (from left) different style families.  Leftmost is Paragraph styles, 
next Character Styles, Frame Styles, Page Styles and List Styles.


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that if one does modify 
one of the built-in styles, that modification will only be applicable to 
the document in which the modification was made and will not apply to 
other documents using the same built-in style.


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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote:
A style is a strait-jacket! If you should want to, say, indent 
something where the style does not allow it, you have to invoke some 
other style. Or maybe double indent it. Or lots of things that "break" 
the
style that is presently in force. This strait-jacket is something I 
encountered a few times, and decided that never again will I try to 
use this software. I just don't need the hassle!  However, if there were
to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line 
or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to 
the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment. 


You've already told us that you do not intend to learn styles. There is 
no need to give us more proof that you don't know how to use them.




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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 8:53 PM, Joe Conner wrote:

It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of
the various styles in the standard install. The names are available,
but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the
trial and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes
to choosing a style.

Blessings, Joe


If you go to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting, you can 
examine all of the styles or create new ones.  Simply right click on a 
style and select either Modify (to examine it or even change it) or New 
(to create a new one).


Dale Erwin



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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 11:58 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
What do you do if most every document you create with your word 
processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its 
"style" until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a 
lot of specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to 
creating documents & written articles in many & varied  formats.  To 
address the responder of my initial posting, let me say:  I've 
invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer 
"styles" w/o much success.  Also, I bought every reference I could 
find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce 
the documents I needed in the format I wanted.  What is more, when I 
was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found 
the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built 
into the Writer document.  I don't mind investing in computer 
programming technology that serves my needs.  (For a "selfie" 
"aside,"  I started in the computer business in 1961, & was, at 
various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I 
know what it means to "invest" one's time & effort to acquire 
proficiency w/ a particular software product.)  I decided w/ Writer 
that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I 
decided to invest my time & energy elsewhere.  In consistency w/ my 
previous experience,  I chose to invest my time & energy in the 
so-called "tried & true"--in this case MS Word.  My priority has 
always been on getting my work done efficiently, & not on learning to 
become proficient w/ any particular software product.


Best wishes,


If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know 
that.  If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the 
"default" style.  An exception to this could be if you begin a 
document by copying from an already existing document in which case it 
will inherit that existing document's styles. One document can use 
several different styles.  While it can have only one page style, it 
can have several paragraph styles, etc. In Writer, the info box just 
to the left of the one containing the name of the font appears the 
name of the current paragraph style. If you haven't assigned one, it 
should say "Default".


OK, that's not quite true.  each page of a document can have a different 
page style (though that's not likely), but each page can have multiple 
paragraph styles.  That's what I was trying to say.


You can also create a template containing any special collection of 
styles you wish.  Then, each time you create a document from that 
template it will have those styles assigned to it.   If you do not use 
a template to create a new document, then that new document will only 
have access to the system styles.  Any styles you create in one 
document will not be available in another document unless it is done 
by way of a template.


To assign a particular style to a page,  give that page the focus, go 
to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting.  Usually this 
opens a dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page 
Styles at the top of the box and then double click the style you wish 
to assign.  If you wish to create a new style for your page, right 
click on any of the styles listed and select "New" and change it to 
whatever parameters you wish to set.  It will have inherited the 
parameters of the style you clicked on when you selected "New" but you 
can change them to whatever you like and give it a name.


Now that's probably all you will need to get started learning about 
styles.  As far as which parameters to set, many of them are intuitive.


Dale Erwin

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Re: Question re/ using Open Office

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 7:29 PM, Richard Fox wrote:
OK. That works. But it's kind of a back-handed approach. What I was 
trying to do was to double-click on an xlsx document itself, right 
click on "open with" and have it open with OO. It really SHOULD since 
I have both MS Office and OO installed. But for some reason, my system 
doesn't seem to recognize that OO is installed.


For the record ... I was selling mainframes to the largest 
corporations in the world and managing project management teams 
world-wide a long time ago (possibly before you were born - no slight 
intended). I really do know how to do problem determination. I have 
spent hours and I just can't figure out why this won't work without 
having to start OO first. I have at least a dozen options. It's just 
that OO isn't one of them. It's almost as though it didn't get into 
the registry properly.


I'll work on this some more when I get a chance.


Do you think that the problem might be the name of the program you're 
looking for is not openoffice.exe, but rather soffice.exe or swriter.exe 
???  The names are still the same as they were when the product was 
called Star Office.  I used Star Office under OS/2 Warp even before Sun 
had anything to do with it.  I, too, was a mainframer but I retired 15 
years ago.  Do they still make mainframes?


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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
What do you do if most every document you create with your word 
processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style" 
until you finish creating it?  For my personal use, I create a lot of 
specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating 
documents & written articles in many & varied  formats.  To address 
the responder of my initial posting, let me say:  I've invested a lot 
of time in trying to become proficient in Writer "styles" w/o much 
success.  Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but 
still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in 
the format I wanted.  What is more, when I was required to re-edit a 
Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid 
all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document.  I 
don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my 
needs.  (For a "selfie" "aside,"  I started in the computer business 
in 1961, & was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer 
languages. So I know what it means to "invest" one's time & effort to 
acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.)  I decided w/ 
Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, 
I decided to invest my time & energy elsewhere.  In consistency w/ my 
previous experience,  I chose to invest my time & energy in the 
so-called "tried & true"--in this case MS Word.  My priority has 
always been on getting my work done efficiently, & not on learning to 
become proficient w/ any particular software product.


Best wishes,


If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know 
that.  If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the 
"default" style.  An exception to this could be if you begin a document 
by copying from an already existing document in which case it will 
inherit that existing document's styles.  One document can use several 
different styles.  While it can have only one page style, it can have 
several paragraph styles, etc.  In Writer, the info box just to the left 
of the one containing the name of the font appears the name of the 
current paragraph style.  If you haven't assigned one, it should say 
"Default".


You can also create a template containing any special collection of 
styles you wish.  Then, each time you create a document from that 
template it will have those styles assigned to it.   If you do not use a 
template to create a new document, then that new document will only have 
access to the system styles.  Any styles you create in one document will 
not be available in another document unless it is done by way of a template.


To assign a particular style to a page,  give that page the focus, go to 
the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting.  Usually this opens a 
dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page Styles at 
the top of the box and then double click the style you wish to assign.  
If you wish to create a new style for your page, right click on any of 
the styles listed and select "New" and change it to whatever parameters 
you wish to set.  It will have inherited the parameters of the style you 
clicked on when you selected "New" but you can change them to whatever 
you like and give it a name.


Now that's probably all you will need to get started learning about 
styles.  As far as which parameters to set, many of them are intuitive.


Dale Erwin

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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Doug wrote:



On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:

/snip/
I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you 
would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not 
moreso.  I struggled against it for a long time before I finally 
broke down and made the time to learn how to use them.


Dale Erwin


Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word 
processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.


--doug


Well, no software will give you service if you aren't willing to take 
the time to learn how to use it.  It's only money.


Dale Erwin

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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for 
Microsoft Word.  While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the 
proverbial "free lunch," I don't expect to get one.  However, I found 
I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always.  
But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly 
diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want.  And, if I want 
something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word.  
I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer & prepare 
a document using it without constantly undoing all the things built 
into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify. 
Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep price to get a WP that served 
my needs, but my time is valuable to me too, so the ease of use & the 
reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost in the long run.


I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would 
find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso.  I 
struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and 
made the time to learn how to use them.


Dale Erwin

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Re: Open office on my Mac Air

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/18/2015 6:06 PM, Benjamin Smith wrote:

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 08:59:03 AM James Plante wrote:

Download it from SourceForge, and ONLY from sourceforge.

Dunno if you're aware of recent tech news, but SourceForge isn't exactly a
trustworthy source any longer.

Relevant news:
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=SourceForge&sort=relevance
I haven't notice anything with open office yet, but several other things 
I have downloaded from SourceForge lately, as soon as the install 
starts, I start getting popups from Malwarebytes.  I wonder how many 
Malwarebytes misses though.


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Re: Spell check

[Dale Erwin]

On 5/22/2015 9:57 PM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:



On 23-May-15 08:49, Toni Chudilowsky wrote:
I have tried every forum.  I see others have this problem but cannot 
fix.

My spellchecker underlines every word in red. Have tried to reinstall.
Tried to change my user ID but the terms are to technical for me and I'm
afraid to delete anything I'm not sure of.  PLEASE HELP!  I registered
with your forum but it said I was too new to post anything.

Most likely your user profile has been corrupted delete or rename your 
user profile.


If you are using Windows do this by:
Close OpenOffice and the Quickstarter. Open File Explorer. Copy and 
paste %appdata%\OpenOffice\4 in the File Explorer Address Bar and 
press Enter. Rename the "user" folder. Start OpenOffice.


Details for other operating systems are given in
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426


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It seems that at least once a week there arises some problem that the 
solution to which is deleting the user profile (usually spell check).  
Has it occurred to anyone that this might really be a defect that needs 
to be addressed?


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Re: Question

[Dale Erwin]

On 5/19/2015 3:26 AM, Matsini Z wrote:

As long as my english mostley is according to mechanical engineering it
make me a bit confused at your non swedish forum for support.

- What I need to find out is HOW TO PASTE A TEXT, TURNED 90 DEG at an
*.ODT-document?

I am trying to make a folded A4 into an 4-sided A5-format with last side as
an papermail adress with place for a stamp, up at right corner.
But I can't find out how to do it!
Need somehelp!

Kindley Regards



It sounds to me like you need to use the Brochure function.  Click on 
File Menu -> Print then select the Page Layout tab and select Brochure.  
But, if your software is in Swedish, these names might not mean anything 
to you.


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Re: Selling on ebay!

[Dale Erwin]

On 5/10/2015 10:50 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 05/10/2015 11:43 AM, jd1008 wrote:

It should be compiled C or C++ code that cannot be removed
without getting the full source code and removing the message and
recompiling
the whole enchilada.

As open source software, the full source code is available.  You don't
have to be much of a developer to edit it and recompile.


Besides, such a notice would be deceptive since there is nothing illegal 
about reselling the software.  Robbery, on the other hand, is illegal.


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Re: Inserting 100 small text files into doc

[Dale Erwin]

On 5/3/2015 3:24 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

Another way to do this might be to make a Master Document, and enter therein 
the names of all the text files in sequence (perhaps from a captured directory 
listing?).  The output document resulting from the expanded Master Document 
might then be edited in the usual way.  There are problems: the individual 
documents might lose their formatting, and one would need to get one's head 
around the complexities of Master Documents and their structure.  For a one-off 
task the hundred documents could have been inserted by hand using /File /Insert 
and an hour's work.


My experience with master documents has been that the expanded master 
document cannot be edited directly, only the individual component files 
may be edited.




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Re: A question

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/24/2015 3:47 PM, Molly Teti wrote:

Hi, My computer crashed and so I had to save my document but now it says it is 
locked how do I un lock my file? Please advise thanks

  ~Molly


When you open a file, the system creates a lock file so that it can't be 
opened by any other app at the same time.  Then when you close the file, 
the system deletes this lock file.  When you computer crashed, this lock 
file was more than likely left on the drive and now prevents any app 
from opening your file.  It should be located in the same directory with 
the actual file.  If you file name is FileName.odt, the the lock file 
should be named .~lock.FileName.odt# so if you delete that lock file you 
will then be able to open your file.


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Re: Office 應用 BoF @ 北京 OSTC, 2015/3/28

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/13/2015 5:35 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2015-03-13 6:31 GMT+01:00 依瑪貓 :


Dear all,

 I send the message in Chinese again.


Please do, I will reply. In Swedish…


And I will reply in Neapolitan:

I' nun pozzo jí, ma bbona sciorta.







 有沒有人今年會去北京的 OSTC (3/28) 呢？我們會在中午的用餐時間，舉行
一場 Office 應用小聚，大家可以聊一聊，互相認識，也可以討論未來
OpenOffice 的發展方向。 ASF Board 成員 Ross Gardler 也會一起來參加，我們
也在邀請微軟 OOXML 的朋友出席中。如果你會來今年的 OSTC ，關心 OpenOffice
的開發未來，都歡迎你來參加！


Jaha ja, det där var ju en massa lustiga tecken som jag inte förstår ett
skvatt av. Eller jo, det smög sig ju in några vanliga bokstäver också,
harre jävvlar vad trevligt! Oj, där blev det visst lite Göteborgska också,
hoppas det går gôrbra.



因為場地有點小（目前上限 10 人），所以想來的人請回信告知，以便事先估
計人數，視情況尋找更大的場地。謝謝！


Och här är några andra intressanta tecken: ☎☠☏☹☺𝄞


Vänliga hälsningar

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

Ja, jag vet, det där sista var Japanska, inte Kinesiska, men det skiter väl
jag i!




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Re: Problems 3.4.1 version

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/11/2015 5:34 AM, Jacqueline Montague wrote:

Hello, i am having problems with my Apache Open World word processing package. 
I have been using this product for approx 3/4 years without problems. I use  it 
for my correspondence/notes etc,  (system:  from my iPad i type a letter, send 
it to my email, copy and paste, go to Open World, open a page, paste then 
print. It has worked 100% until now)
I don't know if its something I did, the problem occurred  when I tried to cut 
and paste a document into Open World,  I was unable to paste the whole A4 data, 
just got the first 8 words, then it stuck and will not be budged. Now I cannot 
use OW at all..Since then i'm unable to copy and paste 'any' of my emails to O 
Word. i'm stuck with the last message. No matter what i do i cannot get rid of 
this page. Sorry if this message sounds a bit 'garbled'  but i don't know what 
to do, or how to sort problem...Can you PLEASE help me?

Kind regards

Jacqueline Montague


What the heck is Open World?

Dale Erwin

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Re: Open office writer

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/4/2015 5:53 AM, ArbolOne wrote:
Anyone might scold you for being so rude in your reply,Dale, specially 
me, since I agree with Steve, but I am not that kind of person. 
However, who in their right mind would presents a business proposal or 
write a business letter double spaced? Dale! one might say, but that 
is because Dale is in High School and HS students double space their 
homework so that teachers can write correction notes. We, in the 
professional world, do not double space our business letters.


If he would learn how to operate the software, he would not have double 
spaced letters where he did not want them, but he did not want to be 
bothered by that.  He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that he didn't want to 
know why it did what it did and he didn't want to know how to get around 
it and it should just be changed to work the way he wanted it to work.  
To me that is rude and does not deserve any less in return.


I graduated from high school in 1951... probably before you were born.

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Re: Open office writer

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/3/2015 12:52 AM, S F wrote:

1)  It is quite hard to just 'drop an email to' open office. I don't really
want to sign up, log it, make an account etc. So there is a huge
disincentive to provide feedback to open office about stuff that people
think should be changed.

Assuming open office is trying to satisfy as many people as possible, then
if we don't like it, open office should change it.

Here's the thing:
It is very frustrating to simply type part of a line, then go to the next
line, and type part of a line without open office writer double spacing. So:

Want this:

Blah blah blah
Blah blah blah.

Get this:

Blah blah blah

Blah blah blah.

I can single space partial lines by carriage return without causing double
space on every app except open office writer; it automatically seems to
double space. I don't really care why it does this, or how to get around
it. Just change it, please!

It is very very frustrating, making it impossible to create a
professional-looking piece of writing.

Thanks,
Steve



Sounds like you want a piece of software that's engineered to your 
specifications and screw the rest of the world and what they prefer.  
Right?  Well, Open Office is open source which means you can modify it 
to do whatever you want it to.  But you probably want someone else to do 
it for you and for free, Right?.
How can you ever get a professional-looking piece of writing when you 
can't be bothered to learn how to operate the software?



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Spreadsheet

[Dale Erwin]

Believe it or not, I have never felt the need to use a spreadsheet for 
anything, so I have never made one.  I now find that I have a need for 
one and don't have the slightest idea where to begin.  Is there a 
tutorial which covers the very basics of building a spreadsheet?


Dale Erwin

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Re: ABC Spelling does not work

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/30/2015 6:52 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
  
   -- replying below to --

From: Don Daugherty [mailto:ddaughe...@sunflower.com]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 13:35
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Spam (8):Re: ABC Spelling does not work

On 1/30/2015 10:31 AM, John Jay wrote:
I'm a year short of 80 myself.  What is "ABC  Spelling & Grammar"?  i/s
/that something you're seeing in Apache Open Office Writer?  Where?  I
don't find it under Tools, and I don't find it in Help.



   On the (default?) Writer toolbar, there are two buttons with ABC on them.  
One has a check mark (for checking grammar and spelling), and the other has a 
red sqiggle under the letters and it is for auto-spellcheck.  Under Tools - 
Spelling and Grammar ... you will see that F7 is the accelerator for that 
function.
   I don't know if our releases are so clever as to use alternatives to ABC 
that fit the language version of the product.
   I'm still a kid myself, but when my new driving license expires in 2021, I 
will be solidly in my 80s.

Whaddaya know... there they are and I never noticed them before. Shows 
to go you, you're never too old to learn something new.


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Re: ABC Spelling does not work

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/30/2015 11:31 AM, John Jay wrote:

"HELP PLEASE"  My ABC Spelling and Grammer "DOES NOT WORK".  I have been 
repeatedly trying to get help to correct the problem to no avail.  I have 4.1.0.last updated 
1/29/15. It did not work before the update and does not work after, F7 shows F7 next to the 
mis-spelled word.  ABC auto spelling check does not work either, all it does in under line the 
whole page.

I am in my 80's, and not a computer guru so  PLEASE simple and understandable 
directions.

This is not my first request for this ABC help - to date no one seems to know 
what to do in simple terms. All I ever get is an answer a computer guru would 
not understand.

John Jay


Hey John,

I just turned 80 today (yea for me, never thought I'd make it).

What do you mean by "ABC"?  is that some sort or an app?  The only thing 
I'm aware of on AOO is under Options -> Check Spelling. When all the 
words are underlined in red, it can mean a mismatch in your dictionary, 
but usually it means that you need to delete or rename your user 
profile.  If I recall correctly, you need to do this with AOO closed, 
otherwise it will recreate it in its current form as it closes.  If you 
delete it while AOO is closed, when you reopen AOO it will recreate the 
file from scratch.  You will then need to re-enter some basic 
information, but your dictionary should then function properly.


Dale Erwin


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Re: I Need Help

[Dale Erwin]

On 12/8/2014 12:07 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 22:56 06/12/2014 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 12/06/2014 03:20 PM, Phillip Smith wrote:
I have updated open Office to the current 4.1 version and now all 
words in a document are underlined as spelt wrong, alternatives are 
not offered. What is wrong.


What's wrong apparently is that there must be bug in the software. 
This complaint seems to surface about once a week or so. Why don't 
you file a bug report with OpenOffice. Then send another one to 
LibreOffice. LO must have copied it when they forked.


We can do better than just say just "there must be a bug". Clearly 
something has gone wrong and it may be considered a bug in the 
application that this happens. But it is well understood that this 
situation occurs when the OpenOffice user profile becomes corrupt - 
for whatever reason - and there are simple ways to correct the problem.


By all means submit bug reports, but in order to be of any help you 
would probably need to determine what documents or what specific 
actions in OpenOffice were likely to cause profile corruption. When 
you do so, and can explain this in your bug reports, I'm sure many 
people will be delighted. Good luck!


Oh - unless you are planning to write just "It doesn't work."

Brian Barker 


It seems to me that this seems to only happen when someone upgrades to a 
new version.  At least that's the only cases I've seen reported and it 
has never happened to me personally.


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Re: Legal open ofifce being sold?

[Dale Erwin]

On 11/26/2014 3:43 PM, Clearsight Publishing Co., 
www.cleareyesight-batesmethod.info wrote:

Is this open office?

Is this open office? http://www.ebay.com/itm/251723894087

If it is your product, why should I buy on e-bay?



Mary



That is NOT OpenOffice.  It is an ad for a Microsoft Office Suite. You 
should never have to buy Open Office.


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Re: ASF Code of Conduct

[Dale Erwin]

On 11/21/2014 2:11 PM, Maggie Butler wrote:

Would the user forum consider adding an "Ignore" feature so abusive posters
could be isolated?


Most email clients have a mechanism to filter out messages from unwanted 
sources.  Of course, so many times, people are tempted to "feed the 
troll" and reply to the undesirable individual.  Then you get the 
unwanted messages repeated in the replies.  I know it is difficult to 
resist, but if no one replies to the troll's messages, the effect they 
are seeking is not realized and they just go away.


Dale Erwin



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Re: Problème clavier

[Dale Erwin]

On 11/21/2014 12:26 PM, Doug wrote:
I would doubt that Chinese will ever become a world-wide language 
unless and until it converts to a Latin alphabet.


--doug 


Maybe unlikely, but it could happen.  It happened in Vietnam although 
many years ago.  Like most far east languages, Vietnamese used to be 
written in its own character set, but now it is written in a Latin 
alphabet, but uses many diacritical marks since it is a tonal language, 
as is Chinese.


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Re: ASF Code of Conduct

[Dale Erwin]

On 11/21/2014 10:21 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

Recently, this contribution was being celebrated on the ASF Community dev list.  I 
think it is very useful to keep in mind when supporting users: 
.

I find Rory's approach to be entirely within the spirit and I commend his 
gentility for emulation by others who want to support and encourage the users 
of Apache OpenOffice.

  - Dennis


I agree, Dennis, but I think that foreign language speakers should also 
be directed to the list in his own language (if one exists) because 
there are bound to be few speakers of that language on an 
English-speaking list such as this.  I, for example, do not speak 
French, but would not hesitate to help someone in a language I do 
speak... if, of course, I know the solution.  On a list in the poster's 
own language, one is always more likely to find an answer to their problem.


Of course, it should not be done in such a rude manner as was witnessed 
in this case.


Dale

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Re: Openoffice is terrible

[Dale Erwin]

On 10/18/2014 1:08 AM, michael sintros wrote:

Your software is so terrible that I lack the appropriate words to describe it.  
I have used version 4.0 for a long time now.  It functions... barely.  Using 
the side scroll bar in large documents, once you scroll to the bottom, it will 
not let you scroll back up.  This is incredibly mindbogglingly annoying.  The 
software also hijacks my middle mouse button and regardless of the application, 
will not function at all if the software is installed at all.  This is not only 
annoying but creepy.  Why if Openoffice is installed but not even open does it 
affect the behavior of other programs.  Ridiculous.


Now I see that 4.1 has been released.  With hope that some of these issues would be fixed 
I installed it on my computer.  It took several minutes for the program to not even open 
at all, giving me "not responding" messages, hijacking my computer so that I 
couldn't even do things in other applications and finally I had to force quit it.


If all of that weren't bad enough, I went on your "support" forum to talk about 
this but I can't even register.  Why?  Who the fuck knows.  It keeps telling me that I 
need a valid email address even though I've entered my email address about 800 times.


Not only are you people incapable of writing a fully functional program, but 
you can't even properly create a functional support forum for that 
malfunctioning garbage software.  Yes, it's free and I don't have to use it.  
Congratulations, you have created a piece of software that is not only not 
worth using for free but wouldn't be worth using if someone paid me to do so.

I, too, have been using  OpenOffice for a long time and I don't have any 
of the symptoms you describe.  I think there must be something else on 
your computer that is causing these problems.


Dale Erwin

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Re: please help me. I am trying to get a Microsoft wps email open in open office in English instead of the gibbage it is in now. am not computer smart and need all thehelp I can get.thanks marcy

[Dale Erwin]

On 9/3/2014 12:51 AM, marcu...@yahoo.com.INVALID wrote:
Microsoft Works is not the same as Microsoft Office.  In fact it has 
been discontinued.  However, there is a file converter which might be 
able to convert your file to a Microsoft Office file and then you can 
open it.  If you want to try that, I saw it here:


http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=12

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Re: Non-subscriber questions

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/27/2014 12:00 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:

On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:04, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:


This is exactly the spirit of this list. We very much prefer that users 
subscribe, and you'll hardly find a link to this list on our site that comes 
without the recommendation to subscribe. Still, it seems many users prefer to 
send a quick mail rather than using the forum, and this is why we currently 
allow non-subscribed members to post.

Is there any way that [without a lot of effort] a post from a nonsubscriber 
could trigger an email warning that he/she will not see the response unless 
subscribed?

-- -- --
jt   http://jt-mj.net

Silence is evidence of a superb command of the language


I think there is a limit as to how much "hand-holding" or "baby-sitting" 
should be expected.  There are thousands of mailing lists that offer 
tech support or rather community support for a multitude of products.  
Those that allow non subscribers to post and ask questions (knowing that 
a very large percentage of those will never see the answers) can be 
counted on one's fingers.  There must be a web page somewhere pointing 
to this mailing list (otherwise none of of us would have found it).  
Explain it there that only registered users can post to the list because 
that is the only way they can receive responses.  The moderators have 
plenty to do without having to verify that everyone who posts is registered.


Of course, with that comes the endless chain of complaints "why can't I 
unsubscribe" or "stop sending me these messages" which also come from 
users wanting someone else to do everything for them and can't be 
bothered to read the unsubscribe instructions at the bottom of every 
email they receive from the list.  As far as hiding these comments as 
part of the signatures, I've never seen an email client that hides 
signatures on an original email.  That would be foolish. They only hide 
them on the responses to those emails because the original senders don't 
need to see their own signatures.  Those who say otherwise are unwilling 
to admit that they are too lazy or too stupid to find and follow the 
instructions.


Either way, there will be some whiners.  I say "let them whine!!!" To 
someone who claims to be a newbie and doesn't understand the jargon, 
which really can be confusing to those unfamiliar with it, I would take 
the time to explain in non-technical terms ONE TIME. After that, their 
complaints would be relegated to an email filter. I don't know of any 
email client which doesn't provide such filters.


Just my not-so-humble opinion.

Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657 (Int. 3)
Magdalena del Mar
Lima 17, PERU

If there are users who still can't cope with these methods, my opinion 
is that they should find alternative methods to perform their tasks.


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Re: Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/1/2014 10:48 AM, jonathon wrote:


On 7/31/2014 11:51 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

I realize that Spanish and Catalan are very similar languages, but I don't have 
Catalan installed and I do have Spanish installed.

My guess is that the language detection scheme does not recognize
"Spanish" as a language. Rather, it recognizes the four or five
languages that comprise Spanish. (That issue erupted around the time the
language detection code was inserted into OOo.)
No.  If that were the case there would have to be an entry for 
Castellano, and there isn't.

Unless you either a professional translator, or use write for an Western
Hemisphere (Canada, USA, Mexico, Caribbean, Central America, South
America) audience, it doesn't matter. If you are writing for a Western
Hemisphere audience, then switch language packs so that the Catalan
Effect is less pronounced.


I finally found the one I need.  I need Spanish (Peru) because I live in 
Peru.  I am not Peruvian, but my wife is and I do need it even though 
I'm not a professional translato.


Dale Erwin

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Re: Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/1/2014 8:18 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 01:26 01/08/2014 -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:
OK, just now, to test what you are telling me, I opened a new 
document and entered some text in Spanish (nothing else in the 
document) then I highlighted it, clicked on Tools -> Language -> 
Selection and the only two languages offered are English (which is 
checked I presume because English is set as the default language) and 
Catalan.  So I clicked on More, as you suggest, and I get a dialog 
box named "character" with tabs for Font, Font Effects, Position, 
Hyperlink and Background.


Exactly. And on the Font tab you see the Language drop-down menu of 
all the languages. The previous menu is just a quick way - if one of 
the offered languages happens to be appropriate - of making the same 
character setting as is available here.


Brian Barker


WOW, it worked.  Thanks.

Dale Erwin

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Re: Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/1/2014 2:19 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hello Dale,

On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 01:51:45AM -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 8/1/2014 1:26 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:

It really doesn't matter what languages happen to be offered here,
as you can easily select More... at the bottom of the list,
whereupon you can choose from the full set of languages. Spelling
checking will be available in only those languages for which you
have spelling dictionaries installed.

This method of selecting language sets the local character property.
Remember that you may prefer to do this through character styles or
paragraph styles.


OK, just now, to test what you are telling me, I opened a new
document and entered some text in Spanish (nothing else in the
document) then I highlighted it, clicked on Tools -> Language ->
Selection and the only two languages offered are English (which is
checked I presume because English is set as the default language) and
Catalan.  So I clicked on More, as you suggest, and I get a dialog
box named "character" with tabs for Font, Font Effects, Position,
Hyperlink and Background.

That's probably all moot, because I just found a web page:
<https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Languagepack> and it says: "A
Language pack is a type of add-on for OpenOffice.org to get more
languages integrated without to install more than one Office set. It
contains only files to display, e.g., menus and dialogs in a specific
language incl. the spell checking libraries (since OOo 3.2). If
available the help content is also translated."

So evidently you are mistaken about the language packs not including
the spell checking LIBRARIES (not dictionaries), and now I am back at
square one.  I realize that Spanish and Catalan are very similar
languages, but I don't have Catalan installed and I do have Spanish
installed.

Language packs do not include dictionaries, only the full install sets
include them; this is a known issue tracked under
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124473

Dictionaries are extensions, so you have to search for a dictionary in
the extension's site: http://extensions.openoffice.org/

Concerning the list of languages offered on the "Tools"
- "Language"-"For Selection|Paragraph|all text" (you can access
a similar menu from the status bar control that displays the current
language), this list is built from a feature called "language guessing",
and does not depend on the installed dictionaries. "Language guessing"
is just a guess, as its name says, so don't expect it to be 100%
reliable.

Concerning the "Character" dialog that you can open from the menu
"Tools" - "Language" - "For Selection" - "More..." (or from the context
menu: right-click on the selected text and select "Character..."), the
"Language" is an attribute of the "Font", so you will find it on the
"Font" tab, in a list box. This location of the "Language" attribute is
rather misleading, ideally there should be a toolbar item to set the
language - something like
http://aoo-ui-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/git.wiki/LanguageBox_dropdown.png

Also note the original suggestion made by Brian: instead of this way of
settings the language attribute (known as "hard formatting"), it is
better to use styles.


Regards


Yes, I searched the extensions site and all I found were what looked 
like 3rd party dictionaries and none for the two languages I need: 
Spanish and Italian.


I understand what you're saying that styles would be the better way to 
handle the language settings, but at this point what difference would it 
make if I don't have the dictionaries.  However, are not the "spelling 
LIBRARIES" (not dictionaries) mentioned above sufficient?  I don't know 
what the difference might be between a dictionary and a library.


I'm beginning to think that the split of OpenOffice/LibreOffice is going 
to be the death of this product.


Dale Erwin

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Re: Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/1/2014 1:26 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:


It really doesn't matter what languages happen to be offered here, as 
you can easily select More... at the bottom of the list, whereupon 
you can choose from the full set of languages. Spelling checking will 
be available in only those languages for which you have spelling 
dictionaries installed.


This method of selecting language sets the local character property. 
Remember that you may prefer to do this through character styles or 
paragraph styles.



OK, just now, to test what you are telling me, I opened a new document 
and entered some text in Spanish (nothing else in the document) then I 
highlighted it, clicked on Tools -> Language -> Selection and the only 
two languages offered are English (which is checked I presume because 
English is set as the default language) and Catalan.  So I clicked on 
More, as you suggest, and I get a dialog box named "character" with 
tabs for Font, Font Effects, Position, Hyperlink and Background.


That's probably all moot, because I just found a web page: 
<https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Languagepack> and it says: "A Language 
pack is a type of add-on for OpenOffice.org to get more languages 
integrated without to install more than one Office set. It contains only 
files to display, e.g., menus and dialogs in a specific language incl. 
the spell checking libraries (since OOo 3.2). If available the help 
content is also translated."


So evidently you are mistaken about the language packs not including the 
spell checking LIBRARIES (not dictionaries), and now I am back at square 
one.  I realize that Spanish and Catalan are very similar languages, but 
I don't have Catalan installed and I do have Spanish installed.


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Re: Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

It really doesn't matter what languages happen to be offered here, as 
you can easily select More... at the bottom of the list, whereupon you 
can choose from the full set of languages. Spelling checking will be 
available in only those languages for which you have spelling 
dictionaries installed.


This method of selecting language sets the local character property. 
Remember that you may prefer to do this through character styles or 
paragraph styles.



OK, just now, to test what you are telling me, I opened a new document 
and entered some text in Spanish (nothing else in the document) then I 
highlighted it, clicked on Tools -> Language -> Selection and the only 
two languages offered are English (which is checked I presume because 
English is set as the default language) and Catalan.  So I clicked on 
More, as you suggest, and I get a dialog box named "character" with tabs 
for Font, Font Effects, Position, Hyperlink and Background.


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Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

I have just recently installed AOO 4.1.0 in English plus language packs 
for Spanish and Italian under Win 7 Home Premium.  In Options, I 
selected English USA as my default language.


Earlier today, while editing a document in Writer, I selected Tools -> 
Languages -> Selection and the only language offered was English.  Later 
today, while editing a different document in English, I entered some 
text in Italian.  Then I highlighted it and went to Tools -> Languages 
-> Selection and found both English and Italian offered so I selected 
Italian.  Obviously it recognized the Italian text.  A while later, I 
entered some Spanish text, highlighted it and went to Tools -> Languages 
-> Selection and the only languages offered were English and Italian, 
with Italian checked even though I had not selected it.  Still later I 
entered some more Spanish text, highlighted it, went to Tools -> 
Languages -> Selection and it now offered me English, Italian and Catalan.


What gives?  Anyone have any idea?

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Re: open office vers 4

[Dale Erwin]

On 9/2/2013 11:50 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 9/2/2013 3:59 AM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi Dale,

On 30.08.2013 17:56, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 8/30/2013 3:32 AM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi Dale,

On 29.08.2013 21:14, Dale Erwin wrote:
I've never had it crash on me either, but it has other 
shortcomings. For me, the deal-breaker was some sort of bug in pdf 
export.  On second thought, I guess what happens during pdf export 
is indeed a "crash".  Every time I try to export my document with 
"PDF/A-1a" selected, I get a message from Windows (Win 7) saying 
that Open Office has stopped working.


This is an important thing. Do we have a bug report for this? Is it 
repeatable?
It will not be fixed when it's not properly reported. Developers 
eventually read in this user group, but better let them use their 
time to fix tasks. Thus, your very welcome and important donation 
to the project would be to write a bug report, maybe with examples. 
Please check before if there already is one. If yes, please mention 
the BugID when talking about it (as here).


Thanks in advance!


I have never made a bug report before.  How do I do it?


First, thanks for keeping us informed. You can register for Bugzilla: 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ and then write a task there.
If you have or can create a reduced example I can also do that for 
you, when I can reproduce it here, see below.




I have tried it at least a half dozen times always with the same 
results.  If I deselect "PDF/A-1a" it exports without crashing. If I 
select "PDF/A-1a" it crashes during export.


As far as attaching the offending document, it is a master document 
with 44 sub documents, a total of 566 pages when fully expanded. 
Seems that would be a lot of files to attach.


This is of course too much for a task in bugzilla. Often it is 
possible to reduce examples for tasks to relevant parts, in this case 
to the part which causes the crash. Do you have a hint which part 
crashes? Does that pasr alone crash? Maybe you have a simple example 
for the crash? Maybe someone else has one (many people are reading 
here). If yes, please, speak up!
You may isolate the problematic part retalively quick if it's 
possible to split your example always in two halfs, thus getting to a 
small example relatively quickly.




Earlier, someone posted a link to a bug report concerning PDF export 
from Print Preview.  I have no idea if this is the same bug or not.




To ensure this or to find out we will need your reduced example, too, 
no way around ;-)


OK, I copied all the files to a test folder (btw, I was mistaken, 
there are 49 sub files).  If I open the master document without 
expanding the sub files, it will export successfully.  Any one of the 
sub files will export successfully (well, I didn't try every one of 
them, but several).  I deleted all the sub files from the navigator 
except for two which are only 2 pages each, so there are a total of 
only 6 pages, and it crashes just as before.  Is that sufficiently 
abbreviated?


Unless I don't  understand the process, it seems to me that it is only 
possible to attach one file to the bug report.  Therefore I did not 
submit the bug.  I need to submit three files.  I imagine I could also  
do it with only two files, but that is still more than one.


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Re: open office vers 4

[Dale Erwin]

On 9/2/2013 3:59 AM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi Dale,

On 30.08.2013 17:56, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 8/30/2013 3:32 AM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi Dale,

On 29.08.2013 21:14, Dale Erwin wrote:
I've never had it crash on me either, but it has other 
shortcomings. For me, the deal-breaker was some sort of bug in pdf 
export.  On second thought, I guess what happens during pdf export 
is indeed a "crash".  Every time I try to export my document with 
"PDF/A-1a" selected, I get a message from Windows (Win 7) saying 
that Open Office has stopped working.


This is an important thing. Do we have a bug report for this? Is it 
repeatable?
It will not be fixed when it's not properly reported. Developers 
eventually read in this user group, but better let them use their 
time to fix tasks. Thus, your very welcome and important donation to 
the project would be to write a bug report, maybe with examples. 
Please check before if there already is one. If yes, please mention 
the BugID when talking about it (as here).


Thanks in advance!


I have never made a bug report before.  How do I do it?


First, thanks for keeping us informed. You can register for Bugzilla: 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ and then write a task there.
If you have or can create a reduced example I can also do that for 
you, when I can reproduce it here, see below.




I have tried it at least a half dozen times always with the same 
results.  If I deselect "PDF/A-1a" it exports without crashing. If I 
select "PDF/A-1a" it crashes during export.


As far as attaching the offending document, it is a master document 
with 44 sub documents, a total of 566 pages when fully expanded. 
Seems that would be a lot of files to attach.


This is of course too much for a task in bugzilla. Often it is 
possible to reduce examples for tasks to relevant parts, in this case 
to the part which causes the crash. Do you have a hint which part 
crashes? Does that pasr alone crash? Maybe you have a simple example 
for the crash? Maybe someone else has one (many people are reading 
here). If yes, please, speak up!
You may isolate the problematic part retalively quick if it's possible 
to split your example always in two halfs, thus getting to a small 
example relatively quickly.




Earlier, someone posted a link to a bug report concerning PDF export 
from Print Preview.  I have no idea if this is the same bug or not.




To ensure this or to find out we will need your reduced example, too, 
no way around ;-)


OK, I copied all the files to a test folder (btw, I was mistaken, there 
are 49 sub files).  If I open the master document without expanding the 
sub files, it will export successfully.  Any one of the sub files will 
export successfully (well, I didn't try every one of them, but 
several).  I deleted all the sub files from the navigator except for two 
which are only 2 pages each, so there are a total of only 6 pages, and 
it crashes just as before.  Is that sufficiently abbreviated?


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Re: open office vers 4

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/30/2013 3:32 AM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi Dale,

On 29.08.2013 21:14, Dale Erwin wrote:
I've never had it crash on me either, but it has other shortcomings. 
For me, the deal-breaker was some sort of bug in pdf export.  On 
second thought, I guess what happens during pdf export is indeed a 
"crash".  Every time I try to export my document with "PDF/A-1a" 
selected, I get a message from Windows (Win 7) saying that Open 
Office has stopped working.


This is an important thing. Do we have a bug report for this? Is it 
repeatable?
It will not be fixed when it's not properly reported. Developers 
eventually read in this user group, but better let them use their time 
to fix tasks. Thus, your very welcome and important donation to the 
project would be to write a bug report, maybe with examples. Please 
check before if there already is one. If yes, please mention the BugID 
when talking about it (as here).


Thanks in advance!


I have never made a bug report before.  How do I do it?

I have tried it at least a half dozen times always with the same 
results.  If I deselect "PDF/A-1a" it exports without crashing.  If I 
select "PDF/A-1a" it crashes during export.


As far as attaching the offending document, it is a master document with 
44 sub documents, a total of 566 pages when fully expanded. Seems that 
would be a lot of files to attach.


Earlier, someone posted a link to a bug report concerning PDF export 
from Print Preview.  I have no idea if this is the same bug or not.


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Re: open office vers 4

[Dale Erwin]

I've never had it crash on me either, but it has other shortcomings.  
For me, the deal-breaker was some sort of bug in pdf export.  On second 
thought, I guess what happens during pdf export is indeed a "crash".  
Every time I try to export my document with "PDF/A-1a" selected, I get a 
message from Windows (Win 7) saying that Open Office has stopped working.


My publisher says I need this option because that is the way to get all 
fonts embedded into the document.  They will not accept a PDF file that 
does not have all fonts embedded.


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On 8/29/2013 12:28 PM, TN Patriot wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:07:28 -0400
"Dave.Mainwaring"  wrote:


It does crash to often !!


   That's relative. I've had it and been using it since the day it was 
announced that
   it was available for download. I've not had it crash on me once in all this 
time.






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Re: Delete document

[Dale Erwin]

I normally use OS services to do that.

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On 8/22/2013 4:05 AM, Brian Allen wrote:

Hello,



Can anyone inform me how you delete a document or letter in Open Office Apache 
please?



brian



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Re: Exporting PDF from Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

While it very well might be the same bug, I'm not really sure.  I am not 
exporting from page preview. However, some further testing shows me that 
the reason for the crash was not that I had selected "Print 
automatically inserted blank pages" but  because on the Export dialog 
itself I had selected "PDF/A-1a" which my publisher advised me to select 
in order to get all fonts imbedded.


When I deselected "PDF/A-1a" it exported just fine including the 
generation of all automatically inserted blank pages.  But with 
"PDF/A-1a" selected, it crashes with and without "Print automatically 
inserted blank pages" selected.


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On 8/14/2013 4:12 AM, Oliver Brinzing wrote:

Hi,


I'm not really sure if that worked or not.   When I tried exporting to
PDF this time, I got a message from Windows saying:  "OpenOffice 4.0.0
has stopped working.  A problem caused the program to stop working
correctly.  Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution

maybe this is bug:

writer crash on pdf export from page preview
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122868

Regards

Oliver



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Re: Exporting PDF from Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

There is only one user defined on this computer and it does have 
administrator authority.


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On 8/19/2013 7:32 AM, Denis J Navas wrote:
Try running with elevated rights.  That is, as administrator.  I have 
found that his solve some problems.



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Re: pop-up help I don't understand the problem

[Dale Erwin]

Even this is no good for 1 sheet (4 pages) per signature.  For the 
so-called "perfect" binding method, if there is more than one sheet per 
signature, then the sheets of each signature must be sewn together.  
More than one sheet per signature also results in uneven edges when the 
book is closed.


The only way I have been able to do this, after exporting to pdf and 
using the booklet function,  is to print pages 1 to 4, then pages 5 to 
8, then pages 9 to 12, etc.  This means that for a book of 200 pages, I 
have to run 200/4=50 print jobs.  I have one book which is a dictionary 
consisting of 566 pages which means I have to run 142 print jobs.  Of 
course, these figures only apply to printing on a printer with duplex 
capability.  Otherwise, these figures are doubled.


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On 8/14/2013 1:49 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:03:15 -0500
Dale Erwin  wrote:


Unfortunately, this doesn't work too well for large documents, but it's
fine for documents of 2 to 4 sheets.  The larger documnts need to be
divided into smaller units.  I prefer one sheet per unit so that I can
fold them and bind them at home.  There is no easy way I have found to
do this.

The easiest way to do this is to Export as PDF. Then use a suitable PDF reader, 
such as Adobe Reader, to Print Booklet on a duplex printer. This will shrink 
the pages to the half size of the sheet and reorder the pages to the sheets in 
the correct order, permitting one to print binding signatures (groups) of 16, 
24 or 32 pages.




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AOO 4.0.0 unusable

[Dale Erwin]

For my current needs, AOO 4.0.0 is unusable.  Unfortunately, the 
installation program removed my prior version.  Is there any way I can 
get a copy of the previous version to install?  Will the two co-exist?


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Re: pop-up help I don't understand the problem

[Dale Erwin]

Unfortunately, this doesn't work too well for large documents, but it's 
fine for documents of 2 to 4 sheets.  The larger documnts need to be 
divided into smaller units.  I prefer one sheet per unit so that I can 
fold them and bind them at home.  There is no easy way I have found to 
do this.


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On 8/14/2013 10:53 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 14:57 14/08/2013 +0200, Lillemor Munter wrote:
Using Open Office, working with a document, use "tabeller", text and 
pictures.  The document will not hold my design, Al is all over when 
I do something new.  And this pop-up will come up now and then.  What 
is it?


...\Programblad 2013.odt\content.xml finns inte.  Vad betyder denna? 
Kommer fram när jag arbetar i Open Office.


I'm not sure how you are reaching this message.  Any .odt text 
document file is a zipped archive of a number of components, one of 
which is always content.xml.  If this component is genuinely missing 
from your .odt file, then the file is corrupt.  But it may be that, 
instead of opening the .odt file itself (as you should be), you are 
unzipping the .odt file and trying to open the content.xml file 
inside.  Open the .odt file directly instead. (Have you perhaps 
associated .odt with your zip utility, so that double-clicking an .odt 
file unzips it instead of opening it in OpenOffice?  If so, the quick 
workaround is to open the document file from inside OpenOffice using 
File | Open... .)


Vill ha 10st A4-sidor som sedan viks ihop till ett A5-häfte. Måste 
man göra varje sida för sig? Ej testat om formaten håller sig då - 
kanske. Men tungt jobba i typ 10-20 olika dokument för att få fram 
ett häfte.


This part is easy: OpenOffice does this well and calls this a "brochure".
o Set your single document to have A5 pages in portrait orientation.
o Create the document normally.
o Go to File | Printer Settings... | Properties... and set your 
printer to use A4 paper in landscape orientation.
o Go to Tools | Options... | OpenOffice Writer | Print | Pages and 
tick Brochure.  (Alternatively you can tick this in the print dialogue 
at File | Print... | Options... | Pages | Brochure.)


OpenOffice will rearrange the various (double-sided) pages so that you 
can simply fold the resulting stack of printed sheets into a brochure



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Re: Exporting PDF from Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

I'm not really sure if that worked or not.   When I tried exporting to 
PDF this time, I got a message from Windows saying:  "OpenOffice 4.0.0 
has stopped working.  A problem caused the program to stop working 
correctly.  Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution 
is available."


Windows did close the program, but I have received no notification.
  :-)
Like I was expecting one.

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On 8/13/2013 4:17 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:00:27 -0500
Dale Erwin  wrote:


I am trying to export a printable PDF document from a master document in
Writer (AOO 4.0.0 Win7) and cannot find the option to generate
automatically inserted blank pages.  I also was unable to find this
option when printing the document directly from Writer.

As best as I can remember, the last time I did this, this option was
prominent, but it may have been pre Apache OOo.


/Tools /Options /OpenOffice Writer : Print -under Other: Print automatically 
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Exporting PDF from Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

I am trying to export a printable PDF document from a master document in 
Writer (AOO 4.0.0 Win7) and cannot find the option to generate 
automatically inserted blank pages.  I also was unable to find this 
option when printing the document directly from Writer.


As best as I can remember, the last time I did this, this option was 
prominent, but it may have been pre Apache OOo.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

[Dale Erwin]

This is especially true with the advent of the newer wide screen 
monitors.  Thee's lots of space on the sides that would give more room 
at the top and bottom so that visualization of an entire document 
wouldn't make the text so small it can't be seen by my tired old eyes.


And it gets compounded in the browser with the number of software 
packages out there that try to add another toolbar to your browser 
whether you want it or not.


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On 8/4/2013 2:35 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet?

I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick 
go.  I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones 
we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of 
those buttons.  However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely 
smoothly!  lol

I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster.  At the moment 
all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit 
with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the 
top&bottom.

It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time.
Regards from
Tom :)









From: Virgil Arrington 
To: Tom Davies ; users@openoffice.apache.org; 
us...@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?


Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course.

Virgil

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From: Tom Davies
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM
To: Virgil Arrington ; users@openoffice.apache.org ;
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

Hi :)
I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or
any 2 versions of AOO or OOo.  Basically avoid having both open at the same
time.  That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them.

This link might help
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Virgil Arrington 
To: users@openoffice.apache.org; us...@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?


Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on
the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile)
search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which
better meets my techno-needs.

Virgil
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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.0 is now available

[Dale Erwin]

BTW, did I read that is necessary to uninstall 3.4 before installing 4.0?

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On 7/30/2013 6:18 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

Ciao Andrea,

At "Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice.org -> Online Update" I find that 
"Check for updates automatically" is selected as is "Every Week" and 
it also reports "Last checked: 07/29/13, 05:08:00PM" which was several 
hours before I sent that email. This must be the default, because I 
have never seen this page before.


However, if I manually click on the Check Now  button, it does find 
that 4.0.0 is available, but I did not download it yet. Wonder why I 
never received the notice.


I have now enabled "Download updates automatically" and I will not 
manually download 4.0 for a while longer just to see if this works.  
I'm also going to change it to check Every Day for a while so that I 
don't have to wait another week.


Dale Erwin
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On 7/30/2013 2:12 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Dale Erwin wrote:

I have deliberately delayed installing version 4.0 because I wanted to
test the notification process. It has been stated that AOO checks 
once a

week for available new versions.


This depends on your configuration. You may have update checks turned 
off or set to a different period. Tools - Options - OpenOffice[.org] 
- Online Updates.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.0 is now available

[Dale Erwin]

Ciao Andrea,

At "Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice.org -> Online Update" I find that 
"Check for updates automatically" is selected as is "Every Week" and it 
also reports "Last checked: 07/29/13, 05:08:00PM" which was several 
hours before I sent that email. This must be the default, because I have 
never seen this page before.


However, if I manually click on the Check Now  button, it does find that 
4.0.0 is available, but I did not download it yet. Wonder why I never 
received the notice.


I have now enabled "Download updates automatically" and I will not 
manually download 4.0 for a while longer just to see if this works.  I'm 
also going to change it to check Every Day for a while so that I don't 
have to wait another week.


Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org

On 7/30/2013 2:12 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Dale Erwin wrote:

I have deliberately delayed installing version 4.0 because I wanted to
test the notification process. It has been stated that AOO checks once a
week for available new versions.


This depends on your configuration. You may have update checks turned 
off or set to a different period. Tools - Options - OpenOffice[.org] - 
Online Updates.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.0 is now available

[Dale Erwin]

I  have deliberately delayed installing version 4.0 because I wanted to 
test the notification process.  It has been stated that AOO checks once 
a week for available new versions.


This notice was dated 7/23 at 4: 29 AM.  In just a few hours, a week 
will have passed and I have not seen any notice from my 3.4.1 
installation that a new version is available.


Dale Erwin
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On 7/23/2013 4:29 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

The Apache OpenOffice project is pleased to announce the immediate
availability of OpenOffice 4.0.  You can download it from our website
[1].

Details of new features and enhancements in this release are described
in the Release Notes [2].

Those interested in the source code can download this via the links on
this page [3].

Regards,

Rob Weir, Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee



[1]http://www.openoffice.org/download/

[2]http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes

[3]https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html

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Re: AOO-Members dont forget voting

[Dale Erwin]

I am using 3.4.1 and have never seen a notice that there was an update 
available.  The only time I've heard of 4.0 is seeing someone on this 
list ask questions about it.  I thought they were mistaken about the 
version.


Dale Erwin
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On 7/20/2013 5:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

In OpenOffice you should be able to do a Help/Check for Updates via
the menu.  Also, OpenOffice 3.4.1 checks for updates every week (by
default) and notifies the user if there is an update available.



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Header Text

[Dale Erwin]

If I want to display sometthing Header and change it to new value every 
time a new chapter begins, does that mean I have to have a different set 
of page styles for each chapter?


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Re: Navigator

[Dale Erwin]

Whoops, I found it.  After pressing F5 I had to pull it out from the 
edge of the window frame.  Before it used to open in a separate little 
windowlet, and that is what I was expecting.


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On 7/18/2013 9:05 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:
That doesn't work.  The only thing that happens when I hit F5 is the 
document inside the window frame shifts to the right about 1/8 of an 
inch.  Then if I press F5 again, it shifts back to its original 
position.  But no Navigator.


Dale Erwin
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On 7/18/2013 7:49 PM, Graham Lauder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:50:24 +1200, Dale Erwin  
wrote:


This is frustrating.  I have a master document with 50 sub documents 
under Win 7 / OOo 3.4.1 which I've been working on for nearly 3 
years now.  I don't remember at this point just what version of OOo 
I was using when I created the documents, but I've been on this 
version for quite a while now.  Every time I used to open the master 
document it used to automatically open the Navigator alongside it 
(including under my current system), and it was a little annoying 
because it was always on top of what I wanted.  Now, I NEED the 
navigator and it doesn't open.  I have no idea what I might have 
done to suppress it.


Can someone please tell me how to open the Navigator?




With a document open, press F5

Cheers
GL

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Re: Navigator

[Dale Erwin]

That doesn't work.  The only thing that happens when I hit F5 is the 
document inside the window frame shifts to the right about 1/8 of an 
inch.  Then if I press F5 again, it shifts back to its original 
position.  But no Navigator.


Dale Erwin
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Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org

On 7/18/2013 7:49 PM, Graham Lauder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:50:24 +1200, Dale Erwin  
wrote:


This is frustrating.  I have a master document with 50 sub documents 
under Win 7 / OOo 3.4.1 which I've been working on for nearly 3 years 
now.  I don't remember at this point just what version of OOo I was 
using when I created the documents, but I've been on this version for 
quite a while now.  Every time I used to open the master document it 
used to automatically open the Navigator alongside it (including 
under my current system), and it was a little annoying because it was 
always on top of what I wanted.  Now, I NEED the navigator and it 
doesn't open.  I have no idea what I might have done to suppress it.


Can someone please tell me how to open the Navigator?




With a document open, press F5

Cheers
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Navigator

[Dale Erwin]

This is frustrating.  I have a master document with 50 sub documents 
under Win 7 / OOo 3.4.1 which I've been working on for nearly 3 years 
now.  I don't remember at this point just what version of OOo I was 
using when I created the documents, but I've been on this version for 
quite a while now.  Every time I used to open the master document it 
used to automatically open the Navigator alongside it (including under 
my current system), and it was a little annoying because it was always 
on top of what I wanted.  Now, I NEED the navigator and it doesn't 
open.  I have no idea what I might have done to suppress it.


Can someone please tell me how to open the Navigator?

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Re: [Save and Undo]

[Dale Erwin]

I haven't actually tested this explicitly yet, but I certainly will do 
so very soon.  I just never thought it would be possible so I never 
tried it.  I do know, however, that no many how many times the file has 
been autosaved, if I close the document without an explicit save, it 
will revert back to the same state it was in before it was opened.


Dale Erwin
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On 6/23/2013 6:40 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 18:12 23/06/2013 -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:
Are you saying that if, while editing a document, I do an explicit 
save, I can still use the undo feature for anything I have changed 
during the current session?


Yes.  (Up to the maximum number of Undos, of course - is that 30 by 
default?)


What happened when you tested this yourself?

Brian Barker


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Re: [DISCUSS] ODF file formats vs Zip

[Dale Erwin]

Are you saying that if, while editing a document, I do an explicit save, 
I can still use the undo feature for anything I have changed during the 
current session?


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On 6/23/2013 5:37 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:

Le 10/06/2013 02:16, Richard Detwiler a écrit :
Also, I don't know if this is the case with auto-save, but when 
manually saving, I'm pretty sure that things can not be "undone" 
prior to the save. If this is indeed the case with auto-save, this is 
another very good reason not to use it. You may have done something 
you really want to undo, but if the auto-save happens, you can't. 
(Again, I'm not positive whether this is the case with auto-save like 
with manual save, but I'm guessing it may be.)


No. The auto-save operation does not reset the undo history (same with 
standard save).



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