[users] made her day, gave her OOo
Yesterday I met a lady visiting her parents in New York State. She has been living in Israel for the past 20 years. She loved recieving a copy of the English version of OpenOffice.org, that I carry around. She loved the fact that she could get a free Hebrew version as well. She worked in the communication and media field and I believe that she would spread the word, once she gets home and tries the English and Hebrew version of 3.0. Folks. This is why you should alwayd carry a copy of OpenOffice.org with you as you go about you life outside you home. You never know who you will meet and talk about OpenOffice.org to. The facts are, if you give someone great free software, and they like/love it, they will tell others about it, and so on, and so on. Word of mouth is how this project gets more users. Spread the word. Spread the CDs [She also loved the fact that I would not take money for the CD I gave her.]
Re: [users] [Fwd: ezmlm warning]
From: John Boyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [users] [Fwd: ezmlm warning] To the List: Is this a valid message? What gives? :-( Original Message Subject: ezmlm warning From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the users@openoffice.org mailing list. Messages to you from the users mailing list seem to have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce message I received. If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces, I will remove your address from the users mailing list, without further notice. I've kept a list of which messages from the users mailing list have bounced from your address. Copies of these messages may be in the archive. To retrieve a set of messages 123-145 (a maximum of 100 per request), send an empty message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To receive a subject and author list for the last 100 or so messages, send an empty message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here are the message numbers: 191091 191092 191093 191094 191095 191096 191097 191354 191385 --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9101 invoked for bounce); 11 Oct 2008 11:57:25 - Date: 11 Oct 2008 11:57:25 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at openoffice.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry, I couldn't find a mail exchanger or IP address. (#5.4.4) -- John Boyle I have recieved the same message a week of so ago. The bounce message. I talked to my domain and email hosting company and they put the blame on the list sender for the bounce, not the recieving server/account for the bounce. I know that the email titles that were listed by those numbers are ones that I have not seen, So I think they did bounce for me. Some come through, while others bounces. That seens to me that is is on the recieving server end, not the sender like my service people tells me. But who really knows? No help here except that I had the same message. Sorry Tim L. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Firefox-Add-on: OpenOffice.org Menu 1.2
- Original Message - From: Manfred J. Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: [users] Firefox-Add-on: OpenOffice.org Menu 1.2 Hi, this could be of interest to you - OpenOffice.org Menu 1.2 Updated October 23, 2008 — 31 KB Works with Firefox: 1.5 – 3.0.* This Firefox Extension is supposed to provide an assistance and decrease the complexity of browsing through the OpenOffice.org site infrastructure by providing a Firefox menu with the most important entry points. ... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4102 Have a good time - Manfred I have had it since I went to 2.x for both products - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] 4 Questions
- Original Message - From: Jan Beranek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [users] 4 Questions Hello, Crop? How do I crop in this version of paint ? Once the desired portion of the image is selected, I can't find crop to cut off the excess I usually find in the Image tab In my OOo (version 3.0, in writer) is it working. snip JAVA ? Is it compatible to download the java upgrades ? I think I saw notice of some kind of missing java when trying to use movie maker First - did you download OOo with JRE option? If you did not then you will need to go to Sun's Java site and download/install the latest Java. http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp In Writer go to Tools -- Options -- Java Make sure Use a Java Runtime Environment is checked. Then if there is no Java version shown, then you press ADD and check the Java version that you downloaded. If you see several versions of Java, check the latest version. Flash ? The videoemails I'm not able to view also prompt to download latest version of flash? Here is a link to www.download.com and the search for a Flash Player http://www.download.com/1770-2001_4-0.html?query=Flash+playertag=srchsearchtype=downloads If you use FireFox, you also can find Flash Players add-ons. I do not know what Email client you are using, so I do not know if it has the option to add a Flash Player as an add-on. But you can always look for one. If you are getting the Flash from YouTube link, there is software that can download it from YouTube and then convert it to a different version. I went to www.download.com and did a search and found YouTube Downloader. If you have Vista (or XP), the best video player is GOM Player. It is one of the best free video players for Vista. It is simple to use. I hope that helped a little. -- Tim L. Elmira NY USA (web at work) retired, but working (volunteering) hard for not-for-profit organizations -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] OTL files - Out Text files?
Here is a question. I have a Bible file in a OTL type of file. It is an Outline Text type of document. Using NoteTab Light, I get a frame that has the Books listed and a frame with the Book's verses. Click on the Book and it brings up its verses, not any other part of the OTL file. In OOo, I read in the OTL file and it becomes one continuous page, no outlines. Has anyone worked with an OTL file? Is there a way to read in an Outlined Text document into OOo and get the correct formated sections? At 58,307 lines in the file, it is much easier to show it in the Outline format, then one continuous page. it uses inline commands in the documents like; = V4 Outline MultiLine NoSorting TabWidth=30 H=King James Bible H= Genesis Personally, I have never see such a document. I wonder if it is a format that began it the DOS days or an early word processing DOS Text format. I can send you directly the file and an image what it looks like. Or I can send you the files plus NoteTab Light. (you can download NoteTab Light from www.downloads.com) Windows NotePad does not show it. Neither does: EmEditor, OpenOffice.org Write, and MS Word. Only NoteTab Light so far. XP does not even associate that file to NoteTab Light. I had to make the association. I always try to read unknow file formats in that text editor as my default option. I use OpenOffice.org for my Office stuff, KompoZer for my HTML stuff, NoteTab Light for my plain text stuff like Cascading Style Sheets and JavaScripts for web sites or just plain TXT files types. SO can anyone help? Anyone used OTL files before? Anyway to get OOo to have one frame show the Outline Headings and another to show the text of that outlined section? Tim L. (web at work) who lost all of my DOS books (and much more references) in my last move.
Re: [users] OTL files - Out Text files?
From: Dave Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: web at work [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:17:07 -0400 Here is a question. I have a Bible file in a OTL type of file. It is an Outline Text type of document. snip SO can anyone help? Anyone used OTL files before? Anyway to get OOo to have one frame show the Outline Headings and another to show the text of that outlined section? Tim L. (web at work) who lost all of my DOS books (and much more references) in my last move. OTL is the file extension that Eric G.V. Fookes (Fookes Software) chose to identify the OuTLine feature he built into the NoteTab software. These are just plain text, with no embedded formatting codes in the true sense. Other than the presence of the first line in an OTL file and the equal sign, used as a tag by the NoteTab software, there is nothing special about these text files. In fact if you open one in any other plain text editor (eg. Windows Notepad), remove just the first line (eg. = V4 Outline MultiLine NoSorting TabWidth=30) and save it, NoteTab will open it as it would any other plain text file, with no side panel. The side panel displaying the headings/Books is hard coded into NoteTab. So there is no reason why OOo, or any other software should display these files as anything other than plain text. Unless, for some reason, that other software is emulating NoteTab. I have a few ideas how something similar might be replicated in Writer and somebody (not me), with the necessary skills, could possibly even write an otl to odt converter. However, I don't see this as an award winning feature for OOo. Dave So I lucked out with reading them in the proper program after all. I do like the Outline Headings displayed in the left site panel. I would love to be able to use some printing software to make a PDF file that includes the Outline Headings. PDF's can have chapter outlines, etc., but I never learned how to make them. That is the feature that I like. over 1500 printed pages and they are indexed/outlined for easier use and/or viewing. Great Idea. The strange thing, since the OTL file was created for NoteTab, was the fact that that file format was not associated with NoteTab [light] and I had to make it associate with it after it was able to be opened by NoteTab. Well I have seen stranger. Thanks for the help. ALSO at least this list email got through. It seems my service is randomly bouncing some of these list-emails back to the list-server system. I get that notice once a week or more. My service puts the blame on the list-server, not their email server that is bouncing the emails back as unwanted or unable to be delivered. Thanks everyone. This is still a great place to get information. Plus Version 3.0 is a great product, and faster to load than 2.x. Slower to get its first screen up vs. Word, but then it takes 2-3 minutes before Word lets me ask it to open a file or type in new stuff. OOo/writer does not make we wait that long to start working. Tim L. retired, but working harder now than ever. plus burning 30-50 OO 3.0 cd this past week and more next week for those dialup users locally. Free of charge or a donation to the cause. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Locked addons in OOo 3.0
- Original Message - From: NoOp [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: NoOp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: [users] Re: Locked addons in OOo 3.0 On 10/17/2008 02:10 PM, Manfred J. Krause wrote: [snip] Manfred [1] see also http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=89121 Does anyone know how i can remove them? Yes. You need to run OOo as Administrator; on Vista I think that means right clicking on the OOo desktop icon selecting 'run as administrator' (or such I don't have Vista). You will then be able to remove the dictionaries. And see: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=94254 [Default Dictionaries (English, French, Spanish) cannot be disabled or removed] I saw those locks on my copy. BUT I saw the French one after I installed the same version I just downloaded and installed. Then, since I had two French (classic and reform in one) dictionaries, I just clicked on the locked copy and it was removed and the just installed one was kept. That will work if you are running as administrator in Windows. It will not work in linux _unless_ you run OOo as root. [snip] What I would like is a built in translator or something like a French to English, English to French offline lookup. plus other standard Euro and Asian languages. Yep, that would be a pretty cool extension. OK on the Admin for Windows - I have only one account on this laptop and it is the Admin, but it does not alway work as Admin for some reason. At least I could do it on my laptop. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Reference material for the user...
- Original Message - From: M Henri Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/10/17 JOE Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought a new notebook computer. I asked a friend where I could get a reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer. He highly recommended using the Open Office Suite. I went to your website and am very impressed! At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of software products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material. My question is, is there good reference material for the use of Open Office Suite software? I'm referring to books, etc... I ask this question because there are always times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is for cases when the help menu just isn't good enough. Many thanks for your help, Victor Foose from Pennsylvania ( [EMAIL PROTECTED])BRBRBR snipped There is plenty of online documentation. For instance, to to: http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html or http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html or http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manua l snipped My guess is that most new OOo 3 users will find the individual chapters and appendices available for download as pdf files via http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/userguide3/index.html a good start, until more detailed manuals can be produced. And hopefully, as Gary says, it will soon be possible to download the entire book in one fell swoop Henri I did not want to give this email the 2-3 line link directly to the search results; BUT if you go to http://www.lulu.com and search for OpenOffice there are printed books available. This company prints books on demand so the low-volume subjects are available to people that would not if you have to print 10,000 or more to go to the big book stores. I do remember seeing links to books that went to the author's web sites. Many of these books are found on LULU.com and other print-on-demand sites. I figure the quickest way to get a 3.0 version book will be at one of these sites. There is a 3.0 book at LULU.com already A Conceptual Guide to OpenOffice.org 3 $29.50 284 pages - paperback http://www.lulu.com/content/3158571 from LULU.com A Conceptual Guide to OpenOffice.org 3 is an easy-to-read, thorough, self-paced guide to using the most popular open source office productivity suite. Written by an educator who is passionate about lifelong learning, this book is based upon teaching material he has developed over four years for instructional use in the classroom. This 284-page guide provides instruction for Writer, Calc, Impress and Base through ten hands-on lessons and four quick reference guides. New topics in this edition include installation instructions for the OpenOffice.org native Mac OS X port, installation and use of OpenOffice.org extensions, an overview of the OpenDocument format and much more. Internet access is required to download the necessary lesson files and free OpenOffice.org software. So, if you want to read the docs on your computer, there are a lot of free PDF files from OOo's web site, and others. If you want printed books for ver 3.0, go to the print-on-demand sites. I buy some books at Amazon.com and BN.com that are actually print-on-demand books/titles. I have had no troubles. You might want to give it a try. I am thinking about buying the book myself and showing it to my group of people that I am getting to change to OOo. Might be another selling point to be able to order printed books. Tim L. retired but still working hard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Locked addons in OOo 3.0
- Original Message - From: NoOp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: [users] Re: Locked addons in OOo 3.0 On 10/17/2008 02:10 PM, Manfred J. Krause wrote: [snip] Manfred [1] see also http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=89121 Does anyone know how i can remove them? Yes. You need to run OOo as Administrator; on Vista I think that means right clicking on the OOo desktop icon selecting 'run as administrator' (or such I don't have Vista). You will then be able to remove the dictionaries. And see: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=94254 [Default Dictionaries (English, French, Spanish) cannot be disabled or removed] I saw those locks on my copy. BUT I saw the French one after I installed the same version I just downloaded and installed. Then, since I had two French (classic and reform in one) dictionaries, I just clicked on the locked copy and it was removed and the just installed one was kept. Could you try that? install a new copy just downloaded, then use the remove button in the extention manager to remove the locked one. Then remove the just download copy - if you do not want to have it. I want the French dict. since my wife remembers some of her college French and still speaks it to me once and a while. What I would like is a built in translator or something like a French to English, English to French offline lookup. plus other standard Euro and Asian languages. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Someone's version of OpenOffice.org is involved with a Spam Email
Twayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org colostore has been seen inthe parses of several spams here; it's obviously black hat from this end. I haven't seen them pushing OOo in my personal spam but that doesn't mean anything other than I'm not on that list. Haven't heard from them in awhile; had hoped they'd been nuked - looks like not. Twayne Well when I got that spam I called the company that hosts their web site. I basically told them that if they continue to allow this company to use their service, they are also liable for the spamming. That is how the spamming laws read to me. So I sent them the email and a copy to a company's default lawyer's email [EMAIL PROTECTED]. If every time someone who gets a spam, where the site in hosted in the US, calles the hosting company and complains, there will be a lot less spam. It will not stop hyjacked email accounts, but it will give less places for these companies to have their sites. Then we need to get the governments of Asian countries to make those same anti-spam laws. Let us take back the internet - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Access to OpenOffice.org website
Here are the three mirrors in the USA. ftp://openoffice.cs.utah.edu/pub/openoffice/stable/3.0.0/ ftp://openoffice.mirrors.tds.net/pub/openoffice/stable/3.0.0/ ftp://openofficeorg.secsup.org/pub/software/openoffice/stable/3.0.0/ - Original Message - From: James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [users] Access to OpenOffice.org website James Knott wrote: Rob Clement wrote: Is anyone else getting a problem accessing the openoffice website to get the download of openoffice 3.0? I am getting the following error on the main page the the download page Forbidden You don't have permission to access /servlets/ContentHelmNoodle on this server. Apache Server at www.openoffice.org Port 80 It seems to be an error 403 I suspect the servers are simply overloaded with all the people trying to download version 3. I was able to download it earlier this morning, but have noticed it's now very slow, if I can connect at all. Speaking of slow. Since my XP partition on my Thinkpad has limited free space available, I decided to unpack it to a USB flash drive, but forgot to use my USB 2 adapter, so that drive is operating as USB 1. Oh well, I wasn't planning on going anywhere this week. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1722 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 7:50 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: openoffice 3.0 ready?
Spiderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] web at work schrieb: Spiderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: [users] openoffice 3.0 ready? Hi, I found some downloads of openoffice 3.0 final. Strange. They just can wait till the official release. http://www.chip.de/downloads/OpenOffice_13004346.html http://www.chip.de/news/OpenOffice-3-Finale-Version-als-Download_33223066.html Too bad the OOo 3.0 final is in German. By-the-By, if you have FireFox browser and the translator 1.0.4.4 add-on, you can get the add-on to open a new tab/window with the English translation. I have the translator add-on to read some of the Europe native web sites, news articles and news papers, when there is something in them that I want to see. OpenOffice.org news, MS court action reported in Europian news feeds, and things like that. German, Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, and Chinses Simplified to English; Plus betas of Arabic, Japanese, and Korean to English. There is English to some of those listed languages as well. I do not think Microsoft has that type of add-on available for their browser. That is what's great about the opensource community. So many languages spoken, so there are translator options created to help. MS does not do that. Maybe one day OpenOffice.org will have an option to easly translate your document from one language to another. There may be one now, but I do not remember what that add-on option was or if it works with 3.0 RC or final versions. Tim L. Web at Work retired and working harder now than ever. I understand the news without a translation tool. :) Well, I seem to find sites where English is not spoken/written. Plus some idiot keeps sending me Russian text emails, thinking that I am interested in what he has to say. What little I was able to read from the online translation services, confirms to me he was an idiot, but I keep seeing Russian language emails every few weeks. There are many sites out there that are of interest to me that is not in English, so I have the translator for FireFox. Sometimes I get text/emails from them, and I could use a good translator tool to translate the various documents sent to me. I never learned any other language in school, so I need the help. Tim L. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] No Arial Narrow Font?
Peter Hillier-Brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [users] No Arial Narrow Font? Jim Coffee wrote: Please help. I tried to open a PDF document today, and it told me it could not read the arial narrow font. I thought open office had that font? I checked the fonts, but it does not appear that I have it on mine. Can I get this arial narrow font? If so, how? It's a Monotype typeface and not related to OpenOffice.org. To the best of my recollection it comes bundled with a commercial package, although Googleing for it produced the following. http://fonts.appliedlanguage.com/fonts/ARIALNBI.TTF I've no idea whether this is a legitimate offering and leave it to your judgement. Peter HB Clicking on the above address will download the font BUT I tried to go to the web site listed above, and my system gave me a warning about possible trouble with the site. Jim C. - if you need any fonts, that you can not find, let me know. I may have it in my archives of fonts. I have collected well over 100,000 of them. Just email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am no longer looking for any more font, so I do not have any other sites that you could find the fonts you need from and online source. There was a German site that was the best place, but you would have to have FireFox's browser translation add-on working. Let me know Tim L. retired but working hard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] openoffice 3.0 ready?
Spiderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: [users] openoffice 3.0 ready? Hi, I found some downloads of openoffice 3.0 final. Strange. They just can wait till the official release. http://www.chip.de/downloads/OpenOffice_13004346.html http://www.chip.de/news/OpenOffice-3-Finale-Version-als-Download_33223066.html Too bad the OOo 3.0 final is in German. By-the-By, if you have FireFox browser and the translator 1.0.4.4 add-on, you can get the add-on to open a new tab/window with the English translation. I have the translator add-on to read some of the Europe native web sites, news articles and news papers, when there is something in them that I want to see. OpenOffice.org news, MS court action reported in Europian news feeds, and things like that. German, Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, and Chinses Simplified to English; Plus betas of Arabic, Japanese, and Korean to English. There is English to some of those listed languages as well. I do not think Microsoft has that type of add-on available for their browser. That is what's great about the opensource community. So many languages spoken, so there are translator options created to help. MS does not do that. Maybe one day OpenOffice.org will have an option to easly translate your document from one language to another. There may be one now, but I do not remember what that add-on option was or if it works with 3.0 RC or final versions. Tim L. Web at Work retired and working harder now than ever. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] openoffice 3.0 ready?
jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [users] openoffice 3.0 ready? On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 14:08, web at work wrote: Maybe one day OpenOffice.org will have an option to easily translate your document from one language to another. Machine language translation is useful only when one wants to get the gist of what is written. When one needs to know precisely what is written, a human is needed. There are a couple of tools that can be used in conjunction with OOo, that ease the task of translating between languages. xan jonathon What tools? I am looking for a good get the gist package. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Is OOo3 RC3 ready for use?
From: Graham Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/10/3 Rob Clement [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Graham Smith wrote: 2008/10/3 Nicholas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just tried the OOo 3.0 (ooo_300m8), downloaded the EXE file and installed on wine running on Ubuntu Linux. There seems to be some problems in commonly used features. Just curious, but is there any reason why you would expect OOo 3 to work under Wine? On the face of it, this seems a rather strange thing to do. Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have installed the deb on Ubuntu linux 8.04 and it is working well. And I have installed the windows version on Windows and it seems to be working well, hence my question on the rationale behind installing it on Wine. Graham I have not tried RC3 yet, but the Windows version of RC2 works well for me. I was hoping for the final release version of 3.0 to be out by now. Yet it is a good feeling that the people behind the decision is not saying that it is good enough by its project release date. If there is a RC4 or RC5, so be it. Get this version the best they can, then release it. Thereafter, work on the next update that would have the other things that there was not time to include in this initial version of 3.0. . . . . Keep up the good work. Get it right, then do the big release of 3.0. Too many of the big companies do not and offer many major bug patches within months after the release of their perfected new version. OOo may have problems after its release, but never as buggy as such software as MS Office and others. Tim L. retired but working hard on getting people to use the free stuff at http://www.lungstrom.com/list/index.html. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Newbie!
From: James Knott John Boyle wrote: James Knott wrote: Dave Rosselle wrote: Just downloaded Open Office - impressive. Please excuse - DUMB question #1: where's Outlook? OpenOffice does not include an email app. Many people find Thunderbird works well. To James Knott: Why not mention Seamonkey, which is a good stable browser and email program? :-) I use Seamonkey, but it currently does not have a calendar available. Thunderbird has the Lightning plugin for calendars. Have you tried Sunbird? It is the stand-alone version of the Lightning plug-in. I have it on my laptop and it is useful for people who do not want to switch to Thunderbird from Outlook Express, and want a Calendar that Outlook has. I just find the stand-alone product useful so I do not have to open an email client to view an appointment calendar. I can have it open or minimized when I am using the laptop (online or off). Tim L. - web at work. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] when will RC1 go to final 3.0.0?
I just installed 3.0 RC1 I was wondering when it is expected to see the final release version, not RC1. I have installed both Beta and DEV versions, but I will not get rid of version 2.4 until 3.0 is completely done. I also want to give it out as quickly as possible to all those who have been using 2.x--2.4.1 here in my sphere of influence. I like what I saw in all of the 3.0 version so far and want everyone to get the good stuff I have seen in 3.0. Also I was wondering how long it will take to get a self install CD image for 3.0 to come out. I usually burn 10 copies at a time for giving it out to everyone I talk into trying it instead of using their MS suites. If I wait till the 3.0 image comes out, I would need to burn at least 100 CDs to the people, companies, agencies, and non-profit organizations that I have given out over the past year or two. One CD each that is. I do not know how many PC now have OOo on them from the CDs I have given out. Hundreds? More? I am waiting with baited breath. Have been telling people how good 3.0 is. Tim L. Elmira New York USA
Re: [users] when will RC1 go to final 3.0.0?
James Knott wrote: web at work wrote: I just installed 3.0 RC1 I was wondering when it is expected to see the final release version, not RC1. I have installed both Beta and DEV versions, but I will not get rid of version 2.4 until 3.0 is completely done. I also want to give it out as quickly as possible to all those who have been using 2.x--2.4.1 here in my sphere of influence. I like what I saw in all of the 3.0 version so far and want everyone to get the good stuff I have seen in 3.0. Also I was wondering how long it will take to get a self install CD image for 3.0 to come out. I usually burn 10 copies at a time for giving it out to everyone I talk into trying it instead of using their MS suites. If I wait till the 3.0 image comes out, I would need to burn at least 100 CDs to the people, companies, agencies, and non-profit organizations that I have given out over the past year or two. One CD each that is. I do not know how many PC now have OOo on them from the CDs I have given out. Hundreds? More? Instead of CDs, why not keep copies of it on a USB flash drive, like I do. I maintain a selection of open source apps, such as OO, Firefox and others on a USB flash drive that I carry with me. That way I can install the software for them. I am waiting with baited breath. Catch anything yet? ;-) I give out CDs since I am not the one who installs the software. I give it to the people and they install it on their own computer(s). CDs are much cheaper as well. If you give out CDs to everyone you talk to about OOo, and ask them to try it, I have found that at least half will try and use it. All of these people who I got to use OOo 2.x are being told about all the stuff I have seen in 3.0 beta and many are looking forward to trying it themselves. BUT, most do not want to install beta software on their business PCs. That is why I want to know what is the projected date for the final release version of 3.0. Also many find it is easier to use the self install CD that you can get when you download the CD image. That is the one I give out. ALSO I maintain a folder on my laptop with all of the current version of the free and open source software I like. That includes Firefox 3.x, Thunderbird, Filezilla, Paint.NET, GIMP, KompoZer, Scribus, Inkscape, Winamp, AVG, and ZoneAlarm. When I have a new person to get into the open source software, I will burn a CD with all of the most up-to-date versions. I also maintain www.lungstrom.com for links to all of the web sites for the software I have used. Every once and a while, I will add more software to the list. Soon I will be redesigning it for easier use, but it works the current way. SO the question still is when can I expect 3.0 release, not a release candidate? I am running RC1 now. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: when will RC1 go to final 3.0.0?
- Original Message - From: Twayne . . . . Also I was wondering how long it will take to get a self install CD image for 3.0 to come out. I usually burn 10 copies at a time for giving it out to everyone I talk into trying it instead of using their MS suites. If I wait till the 3.0 image comes out, I would need to burn at least 100 CDs to the people, companies, agencies, and non-profit organizations that I have given out over the past year or two. One CD each that is. I do not know how many PC now have OOo on them from the CDs I have given out. Hundreds? More? Instead of CDs, why not keep copies of it on a USB flash drive, like I do. I maintain a selection of open source apps, such as OO, Firefox and others on a USB flash drive that I carry with me. That way I can install the software for them. I am waiting with baited breath. Catch anything yet? ;-) LOL!! AAaaarrrh! That's just awful! What's just awful? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: when will RC1 go to final 3.0.0?
From: Gene Heskett On Sunday 14 September 2008, web at work wrote: [...] I am waiting with baited breath. Catch anything yet? ;-) LOL!! AAaaarrrh! That's just awful! What's just awful? I think that depends on what he is using for bait. I've smelled some bait that needed carbon dated. :) -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Disclaimer: These opinions are my own, though for a small fee they be yours too. -- Dave Haynie The bait is whatever I can use to bait them. Usually it is the $. Free verses 100s of dollars per PC seems to work. I know what you mean about carbon dating. I have been around some like that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: when will RC1 go to final 3.0.0?
From: James Knott web at work wrote: - Original Message - From: Twayne . . . . Also I was wondering how long it will take to get a self install CD image for 3.0 to come out. I usually burn 10 copies at a time for giving it out to everyone I talk into trying it instead of using their MS suites. If I wait till the 3.0 image comes out, I would need to burn at least 100 CDs to the people, companies, agencies, and non-profit organizations that I have given out over the past year or two. One CD each that is. I do not know how many PC now have OOo on them from the CDs I have given out. Hundreds? More? Instead of CDs, why not keep copies of it on a USB flash drive, like I do. I maintain a selection of open source apps, such as OO, Firefox and others on a USB flash drive that I carry with me. That way I can install the software for them. I am waiting with baited breath. Catch anything yet? ;-) LOL!! AAaaarrrh! That's just awful! What's just awful? It was referring to your inappropriate choice of words. I believe you meant bated, not baited as in baiting a hook or trap. Apparently the trap worked. ;-) Never said I could spell properly. Two strokes can do that to you. I am lucky to be able to do anything. The Strokes are the reason I am now medically retired instead of working for $100+ per day. BUT I also try to hook people into trying OOo, or even set a trap for them. If I can get to them with the free CD and the info about OOo and its benefits to their company, organication, or just their personal use, I will get them to try it more than 50% of the time. If you get the people who are the bean counters to realize that OOo is just a good as MS office and you will NEVER have to pay for the newest versions of it, you get them to at least try it. The bottom line of saving money works. But, I still am waiting with bated (and baited) breath for 3.0 to come out. So is many of my OOo sucesses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: when will RC1 go to final 3.0.0?
From: James Knott Twayne wrote: I am waiting with baited breath. Catch anything yet? ;-) LOL!! AAaaarrrh! That's just awful! It appears you swallowed it hook, line and stinker! ;-) I am always fishing for new OOo converts. Hook them Pull them in and Sink MS products Caught a few big ones and very few break fee my line(s). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OOo 3 How much disk space should it need
- Original Message - From: Anthony Chilco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [users] OOo 3 How much disk space should it need TomW wrote: Graham Smith wrote: Thanks both, This seems an amazing reduction in resource use. I'm surprised it hasn't been commented on. What little I have read has assumed that 3 will be bigger than 2. Indeed I had assumed this would be the case. and one of the reasons of looking at it was getting an eeepc and I wondered how much extra room it would need. Graham 2008/9/4 Anthony Chilco [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 322meg for 2.4, 56meg for 3. Nothing in common files or application data that I can find. tc Graham Smith wrote: Out of curiosity, I could not resist having a look at the latest beta of 3, but it seems to be only taking up 50Mb of disk space, compared with 300Mb plus for 2.4 (WinXP in both cases). Does OOo 3 scatter its files around, or am I missing something obvious, or have the OOo team really got the footprint down to 50Mb. Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OOo3.0 DEV on Vista shows 335Mb in the add/remove program dialog. There are two folders in the Program Files directory. One is OOo-dev and the other is OOo-dev3, totaling 335Mb. TomW Hi Tom, I found the same thing last night when I did a new install of beta 3. Oh well... tc XP/pro Here is the Program Files directory info for space for 2.4.1 3.0 Beta and a Dev from last month Version 3-- 56.3 meg \_beta\OpenOffice.org 3 JRE \_beta\JRE and \Java -- 934meg with Java jre1.5.0_02 thru jre1.6.0_07 I do not really know why it is so low Version 2.4.1 -- 323 meg\OpenOffice.org 2.4 I have alot of addons OOo-dev -- 270 meg\_beta\OOo-devincludes \Basic 3.0 and\URE I do not know if that helps any. I still cannot figure out why Version 3 beta has so little in files space in the _beta directory I installed it in. I run 2.4.1 mostly, but I use 3.0 beta and dev sometimes to get use to its feel. I hope 3.0 comes out soon, so I can get rid of the space they use. To be honest with you. I know that every number upgrade will need much more space. Adobe Photoshop 7 uses 133 meg, plus up to 50-100 meg in other directories. Adobe Photoshop CS version took up more than 1.5 gig in file space. I went back down to version 7. Unlike Microsoft and Adobe who think we are made of money to buy their products and the extra computer resources to use them, OOo people seem to be realists. Somewhere I saw a chart with a listing of the hard drive space usage for each version and patch beginning with the very first one. The progression of hard drive space seems to be a slow one. Small jumps in needed resources over the large ones MS and Adobe needed. All in all, if you want better options and other added items, you will need to use more hard drive space. BY the BY One selling point I used yesterday to switch from Word to OOo was the fact of native export to PDF. The guy was sending out DOC files with lots of photos for his e-newsletter. I convinced him to use OOo and use the PDF export option for his newsletter. I also sent a PDF version back to him as a test of OOo's PDF exporting. Cut the file size from 3.x meg to just about 1.2 meg (lots of photos). He is not looking at some other free and opensource software that I listed at www.lungstrom.com web site. I am adding some other windows software as well, as I find them. Any suggestions? Tim L. retired, but still active - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] [moderated]
The CD image that is on the Openoffice.org site is one that will start automatically when you close you disk drive. That assumes that you did not turn that option off on you computer. The CD Image will work with Windows, Mac, and Linux, so the site tells me. (once you burn the image file to a CD yourself) Is this the CD you downloaded? Or is it from some other source? If your CD does not autorun, then got to L:\windows\setup.exe, with you subisituting L for you cdrom drive. That is for the CD image file that you can find on the OOo web site. Of course you could always download the most up-to-date file(s) from the web site. That is all I can help you with, I think. Web at Work - Original Message - From: James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [users] [moderated] Sam Maggie Snow wrote: I have downloaded all the files from the cd I just purchased but can't seem to open or get an icon on the desktop to open anything what am I doing wrong, I specificaly want to open the writer but an icon on the dektop would be helpful there was no instructions with the cd. Please help!!! I haven't installed from a CD, but generally there should be an installer file, which you double click on to start the installation process. Did you do that? When the installation is complete, there should be an OpenOffice folder icons in your Start menu. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Making a simple HTML document
- Original Message - From: Guy Voets [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/7/20 Stan Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am trying to make my first HTML document using OOo. It is to be about as simple a document as could be imagined. I am stymied. The document is to be a series of photographs, each one on its own page, with a caption under each. After inserting the first JPEG from file, I look for a way to insert an end of page mark, and find none in the menu system. Inserting a second JPEG only imposes the new image over the first. How to call for a new page? I do not find a way to insert a caption under the existing image. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel Hello Stan, Webpages do not have page breaks. You have to make separate pages, and link them one to the other. There are programs that do most of the job for you, like the freeware Galerie http://www.myriad-online.com/en/products/galerie.htm See also the free SeaMonkey (from www.mozilla.com) that includes a webpage composer. HTH -- I have never used OOo for making a HTML web site. I use it for editing the text, but not the web page. The Galerie link above states it is only for Mac OS 10.2 to 10.4. so if you have a PC, you are out of luck with that one Kompozer is the best of the easy freeware/open source HTML programs I have found. http://www.kompozer.net/ I have taught many people to use it. If you need to have a gallery of photos or a slide show of them, then you will need to find the programs to set it up for you. BUT, you should also have a HTML editor to help with the job. The following link has a list view of photos. This was created with http://aktionclub-elmira.org/events-2008-07-11.html Kompozer, but the menus are in Javascript abd was editied/created via a free version of EmEditor. The Javascript is not good script, but it was easier to show others how to add to it than it would be if it was pure Javascript, not HTML via the scripting. Still, you will need to have some sort of HTML editor. Try Kompozer. It is based on NVU, which was one of the best open source version, till the development of it stopped. Then others started up the cause and developed it into Kompozer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: PDF files
- Original Message - From: JOE Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting, as my experience is a 5-second load for a six-page pdf containing only text. I am running XP-Pro w/SP2 and AMD Athlon 64 running at 2.21GHz and 960MB RAM. I am running Beta 300/m24 Build:9329. Maybe your Beta is older than this? That could explain the radical difference in loading time. Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA The version file reads OOo-Dev_DEV300_m17_Win32Intel_instal_en-US.exe Then I installed it and the PDF reader add-on. After that I closed the program. Opened it again and tried to read the PDF file. I have the same processor and OS as you do, except my laptop runs at 2.00 GHz max. I keep the service packs up to date, and I do believe that I have the XP/pro SP3 installed. I have a 1 gig and a 256 meg ram cards inside. I have not replaced the 256 ram yet, since it requires the removal of the laptop's keyboard. I have the extra 1 gig ram, but will wait to put it in till I get time to take it to a good laptop repair person. I have downloaded OOo_3.0.0Beta2_20080707_Win32Intel_install_wJRE_en-US.exe but I have not installed it as of yet. I may look to see if there is a newer beta to download. I do not use 3.0 beta except to try it out some of the new features. I use OOo 2.4.1 and try to keep it and its add-ons up-to-date. When it is out of Beta, then I will default to version 3.x. Tim L., Elmira NY USA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: PDF files
- Original Message - From: Bob Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harold Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [..] OpenOffice in and of itself can't open PDF files. You could try the OpenOffice extension at http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport which, as you can see, is quite new. Please note that, as stated on the web site, this software is still in Beta testing. And, ...it requires the OpenOffice.org 3.0 beta 2 to work. -- Bob Long Bob and others: I loaded the latest 3.0 beta a week or so ago and had the PDF reading extention installed. Using an AMD 64 Athlon at 2 gig speed and 1.25 gig of memory; Reading a 6 page PDF document that was a list of books and their info. It took over one hour to get the file opened and usable. That was the only programming running except the normal background stuff that does not cause any problems with OOo 2.41.. The best way I know of to read/edit PDF at this time is either use an Adobe product or find a PDF reader/editor from a web site like www.download.com or other free downloading site. I do remember that there were several free version of software that would to the job. I downloaded some a few months ago and tried them. They were not as good as the Adobe products, but free is a good deal, plus there is some low costing version that the trials worked well as well. I have Adobe Reader 8.x and Adobe Acrobat 6 on my laptop, so I do not need any of the free stuff. Just for your info, I also have Acrobat 7, and tried 8, but I like Acrobat 6 over 7 and version 8 is too slow and takes over 1 gig of drive space. So I keep with the older stuff, since it works well. So if you need to read the PDF files and edit it, I would use the free stuff or try to use the Reader program and cut/paste to get the file into OpenOffice.org, then edit it and resave it in a new PDF file. It worked with earlier Reader programs, but I have not tried it with the latest Reader updates. Tim L. - aka Web at Work or should it be Web at Home Working. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE?
- Original Message - From: James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [users] CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE? Fred A. Miller wrote: Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Fred A. Miller wrote: CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT MICROSOFT OFFICE? -- The latest incarnation has met with a mixed reaction and more people are opting for Macs and Linux. The time is right to see if you can survive without Microsoft Office. A new generation of alternatives is cropping up from two directions: cloud computing and open source software. Read on: http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3357163/250558731/126072/0/ I've lived without MS Office since StarOffice 5.2 So did I, but it was the first version of SO for OS/2what ever that version was. 'Course, my first was Perfect Writer and WordStar. ;) Fred My first word processor was PC-Write, at home and Wordstar 2000, at work. I had also used an editor on VAX/VMS prior to that. At least someone has used PC-Write. Did you have to write a printer file so it would be able to do the proper style controls? I had to do that at Elmira College (Elmira NY) in the mid 1980's. Plus WordStar and a few others. I even wrote a better PDP/11 editor then the other college I worked at used. For those good old days. laugh, laugh, laugh At lease MS was not as big then. We had PC Dos and other good stuff that was not from big MS%$$%# - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] WTF is this Britshcenter stuff?
I am getting a version from this center that come in Arabic. Since I am unable to read it and I will not waste my time running it through the translator, I delete it. I also get spam in Russian as well. - Original Message - From: Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: [users] WTF is this Britshcenter stuff? Its spam AFAIAC, but outwardly its coming from britishcenter, somewhat mis-spelled, but inspecting the headers shows a dozen or more references to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are they using it for a spam relay? -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is a human characteristic to love little animals, especially if they're attractive in some way. -- McCoy, The Trouble with Tribbles, stardate 4525.6 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1531 - Release Date: 7/2/2008 7:02 PM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: What's Holding OpenOffice Back?
- Original Message - From: Twayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's Holding OpenOffice Back? Why doesn't free trump expensive? Every Microsoft product has a free, open source counterpart created by dedicated programmers who loathe everything the company stands for. The free stuff is darn good. Yet companies and individuals continue to buy billions of dollars worth of Microsoft products. See the Full Story: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/63684.html Nothing new there, but the more PR OOo gets the better. I got the feeling about half way through that the authour had little comprehension of most of what he was saying/parroting. The same thing could almost be said for Linux except Linux isn't for users, it's for the more techie inclined. I'd love to make the switch and completely rid myself of MS but vendors just aren't supporting Linux with the drivers I need are the biggest current problems. But I guess that's not apples/oranges w/r to OOo. -- I would love to see some rich person buying large newsprint ads in the major markets to tell the world about OpenOffice.org. But how many people actually reads those big ads? Do anyone know of a place that tracks the market share of OpenOffice vers. MS Office? I know that with Firefox's big download world record, there has been many articles about FF's increased market share, up to over 19%, while MS's IE product is loosing more ground. I would love to see a figure like that for OpenOffice.org. I read the newsletters and see all the switching over to it by schools and governments, plus PC's that are not having OOo preinstalled. IS there any place that tracks the totals and the market shares? I saw this past week an article where it showed that AVG (free) has the least valulnerbilities over the biggest names in the business, and ZoneAlarm's (free) firewall technology is being used in over 98% of corporate America. Where are OOo's figures that can let the world know that it is being used by more and more. . . . .? The more figures and specifics I can use, the more I can convince people and businesses in my area to use OOo. Now with New York State mandating open document formats for all business documents, plus MS delaying or dropping their format, I want to get local agencies to start looking at OOo as their preferred office package. I am also working on a presentation for a local group that will go to the state capital to present ideas to help UCP (United Cerebral Palsy) workers and clients get more involved with their communities. I will be giving the group a few dozen OOo CD's to hand out, along with info sheets about OOo's stats and market share info, if found. Plus all the info about which governments, etc., are switching, if I can find a good list. This is the type of stuff we need to market OOo to the public. Let them know that there is a world wide mass exit from MS to go to OOo. Any helpers to collect the info? I would be willing to post a complete list on a web site, if I can get the info for the postings. Even buy a domain name for such a site. BUT I need correct info for the site. Plus some opinions from the users would help. Tim L. retired but still working. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: What's Holding OpenOffice Back?
- Original Message - From: Lisi Reisz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org On Tuesday 08 July 2008 22:25:18 web at work wrote: IS there any place that tracks the totals and the market shares? I don't see how anyone _can_. I download each OOo version once and give it to all my clients (and install it for many of them). I install Linux on my clients' computers when I and they deem it possible; every time I do so, I install a Distro that includes OOo and put an OOo icon on the panel for them. I always suggest that it would be nice if they were to register, since that seems a small price to pay for such a marvellous program. I have no idea whether any of them does so. I am but one of many. There are no accurate, or even vaguely accurate, records. Legitimate copies of M$ programs are bought and paid for, so there are records. There can be no realistic comparison between them. Lisi There must be ways to get some figures that are reflective to what I would like. If a program like FireFox can be downloaded free and then tracked for market share, then OOo should be able to do something like that. There can be notation about the download once - shared to many theory. I do it myself. Can we use the download figures, plus the number of PC's that are converted to OOo, plus other figures, to total a good quest on the number that are doing a free instead of buy purchase. Listing of who converts and how many downloads could be useful. These are some titles from some of the newsletters: Acer computers will preinstall OOo OpenOffice.org being distributed to Portuguese schools Polish retailer selling laptops with OpenOffice.org pre-installed French hospital migrates to OpenOffice.org Millions of copies of OpenOffice.org distributed by Asustek Sharjah school adopts OpenOffice.org MAMPU Migrates to OpenOffice.org More Open Source at the European Commission German county adopts OpenOffice.org Laptops with OpenOffice.org pre-installed becoming popular 26,000 Linux boxes in education in the Philippines About OpenOffice.org usage in India Dutch government ISV adds ODF support Government offers computer software for 2 Euro Users demand support for OpenOffice.org VeryPC pre-installs OpenOffice.org Open Source and Open Standards for Schools in Brussels Austrian Ministry of Education licenses video training for OpenOffice.org/StarOffice These facts and usage information could be useful to people to see what OOo has done. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] WIn98/OpenOffice
Version 1.x worked for me Version 2.0 worked for me as well on my older machine that still ran Win 98 until the computer died aster a very long run. - Original Message - From: John G.McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: [users] WIn98/OpenOffice From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sirs I am unable to open OpenOffice.org1 in Windows98. The opening splash appears, disappears, and that's it. Uninstall and reinstall has been tried with the same result. No file problem or lack of storage space is evident. The application is used and functions happily in a separate XP partition on the same computer. Can I expect this problem with later versions of OpenOffice? Thank you, John McKenzie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1525 - Release Date: 6/29/2008 3:09 PM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OpenOffice disc images
- Original Message - From: David Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [users] OpenOffice disc images On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:03 , James Knott wrote: I've noticed that the latest OpenOffice disk image is 2.4.0 (link below). Any idea when 2.4.1 will be available? Also, there are 3 images available. Why not combine them into a DVD image as well? I don't claim to have any inside information here, but i could guess that it hasn't happened because nobody has yet volunteered to do it. Presumably that's the same reason why i can't yet d/l 2.4.1 in English for Mac on PPC - nobody's bothered to put it together. So does this mean you're stepping up to the plate? I would do it, but who will host it? I do not think my hosting company would like me being the only source of a downloadable CD image. I may be changing host this summer, so the new one may be better. I would go from 300 GB to 1,500 GB transfer per month. I wonder how much I would need to be a mirror or such for a CD/DVD image for OOo? T. Lungstrom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Publisher
- Original Message - From: jonathon On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Sap wrote: I cannot find a counterpart to microsoft publisher. We want to make flyers and mailers and do not find a counterpart to publisher. It all depends upon what type of publishing you are trying to do. OOo can do most of the things that Word can do, and some things that are impossible to do with MSWord. OOo can do most of the things that MS Publisher can do. Since you are asking for a comparison with Microsoft Office, and/or Microsoft Publisher, OOo will probably be more than adequate for your needs. However, OOo is not a substitute for a professional quality Desktop Publishing Program. If you need a professional quality Desktop Publishing program, then Scribus is the FLOSS tool of choice. Note: MS Publisher files are incompatible with all other programs. https://www.pdfonline.com/convert_pdf.asp will convert most publisher files to PDF format. For most projects, WRITE is the OOo Component that emulates Publisher. For some projects, DRAW is the OOo Component that emulates Publisher. Which component to use depends upon what you are trying to create. Your message was sent to a public mailing list. Answers are provided by volunteers. Please send any responses you might have to the list. xan jonathon I have Publisher 2003, and 1 out of 5 times I open it and try to use it, the monster crashes. I will not use it unless I MUST. I am glad that OOo works for most/all of my needs. When OOo does not do it, I use Adobe PageMaker (I will not use their new Indesign program if they paid me). I have only one project that require PageMaker, since I still have not convinced them to switch. They use OOo's Writer and Calc, but not for their newsletters. Too bad. The Publisher joke I heard is that MS will not put out a Publisher Viewer since MS does not want people to have access to viewing the files without paying hundreds to them. People would use the viewer to cut/paste the text/images into a better program, and not use their Publisher. I do wonder why no open source group created a routine/module that would import Publisher files into Writer or another open source product. Could it be that the file format is so complex? MS will not even create a new format for their OOXML scheme. I have not worked with Scribus lately. But it was a good product when I last used it. Do you list people have any other suggestions for a Win XP person for open source type programs to list on a site as substitute for the paid ones? Openoffice.org, Firefox, Thunderbird, KompoZer, EmEditor, Notepad ++, are currently on my list. I forgot to put Scribus on it. I want easy to use programs on the list, if possible. I want to place a list on several web sites that I am the webmaster for - like http://www.lungstrom.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Quick Reference Card for OOo
Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: Adrian Try wrote: [cut] The Writer and Calc cards are still available. I believe that the impress card is around half finished. Absolutely first class! I've printed and laminated these for several of my converts and I always have a set in my briefcase. I've been crazily busy this year and last, but I should at least make the effort to finish the Impress card. I'll see what I can do in the next couple of weeks. That would be very welcome. Peter HB Where do you get these cards to print? I would love to have access to them and hand them out to all of the people I give/gave a copy of my OOo cd to. Tim L. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Quick Reference Card for OOo
John Boyle wrote: Adrian Try wrote: Hi Yuantita In My Office now using OOo, and I as IT Trainer should training all User who's using OOo I need a Quick Reference card for all User. Where can I get that reference card and free? I'm (slowly) working on OpenOffice.org quick reference cards that parallel the O'Reilly Microsoft Office quick reference cards. So far I've completed cards for Writer and Calc. You can download them from http://www.tryanotherangle.org. It's great being able to show Word users the Word quick reference card alongside the Writer card. They start to see that Writer might be a viable alternative for them. I've found the cards very helpful in training situations. I hope you do too. To Adrian Try: How far are you, now, with your quick reference card(s)? :-) I tried to download them from the above web site, but the PDF files that are there are corrupted or something. Adobe will not open them. They are exactly 1KB in size (each one). If anyone has a good copy of these files, let me know so we can arrange to have them emailed to me. Tim L. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Quick Reference Card for OOo
From: Mike -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 web at work wrote: | | I tried to download them from the above web site, but | the PDF files that are there are corrupted or something. | Adobe will not open them. They are exactly 1KB in size (each one). | | If anyone has a good copy of these files, let me know | so we can arrange to have them emailed to me. | The URL is (effectively) a link to the documents. I don't know how you tried to download them but I suspect you have just downloaded the link. The documents are at - http://www.tryanotherangle.com/org/documents/quickref/ooo20_writer_qr.pdf http://www.tryanotherangle.com/org/documents/quickref/ooo20_calc_qr.pdf - -- Regards Mike -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIWYOsujHvuf9nAVQRAvZvAKCfDCB6VFxtZB4F3lXo9t5ZOJz1rQCbBAiH UZ16QzKoVErDruRf86+9+Q0= =WYsK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Thanks for your help I was able to get them about an hour after I posted the question. Using FireFox 3.0, there was a bug in the system somewhere. I cannot use the PDF reading or downloading for some reason. Must be a bug with the add-on Even IE7 had trouble with downloading the files. I had to open the files up in IE7 and then save them using SAVE AS. something is wrong somewhere. of course, then my printer ran out of CYAN when I printed them. may be Friday the 13th is striking me on the 18th Tim L. web at work - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Newsgroup moderation
Thanks Jerry for the posting below. There is a social list created for the off topic stuff that he discribes below. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jerry Clancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: [users] Newsgroup moderation I hesitate posting this lest it become the trigger for the very thing I would like to stop. With over 45 years in data processing, mostly as a OS developer, I am finding this gmane OpenOffice newsgroup one of the most undisciplined I've run into in years. I just plowed through 159 posts of which I would say that perhaps a dozen or so were either useful or on topic. The rest were rant on this religion vs. that religion, word origins, Windows vs. Linux (or whatever), or totally off topic in regards to what I thought was the purpose of this list, namely to provide help to real or potential OpenOffice users. The volume of these off-topic posts is astounding, the result of no moderator as far as I can see. Most of the posters should have their posts dropped with warnings to the poster to keep posts on topic. What this results in is an inordinate number of posts, almost coming in faster than they can be read, that make it difficult to identify legitimate posts, and this in turn I suspect causes many folks to just drop out. I'm considering it myself. There is too much flak to work through to find the useful nuggets. The Open Office community is then the loser because many of those folks, myself included, actually are well-informed on many related subjects and happy to help. But not if I have to wade through all this baggage to do so. Seemingly lacking in self-moderation, this list is in desperate need of a heavy-handed Moderator. Posters should be warned for inappropriate postings and removed or blocked if they persist in posting inappropriately. And a little ego depression, tolerance and charity to all wouldn't hurt. Take the rants to appropriate blogs but keep them out of here. I also believe that the newsgroups should be broken into different, functional groups (e.g., Base, Writer, etc.) to further focus them and reduce the volume of reading for people only interested in one function. Jerry - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 6/16/2008 7:20 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: has any one used GO OO? / plus NYS to go Open Document
- Original Message - From: NoOp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: [users] Re: has any one used GO OO? / plus NYS to go Open Document On 05/27/2008 04:05 PM, Michelle Konzack wrote: [snip] Why not use Key # to break threads? -- Oops, your are using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.15pre) Gecko/20080509 NOT Firefox/2.0 SeaMonkey/1.1.10pre :-) However, - the RIGHT OperatingSystem. I forgive you. ;-) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant Sigh...is there something that you wish to contribute here? Here's a thought; how about at least trimming your posts by dropping the: Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant bit? You already add a .sig I doubt that anyone really finds the above impressive. Since this was my thread, I am using Outlook Express, for now. I would like to know if there is a comment about New York State going to an open document policy for their files. Plus since MS is not going to use OOXML for awhile, it looks like ODF will be the default, at least for awhile. Any comments on that?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: User Interface Language cannot be determined
- Original Message - From: Jim Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [users] Re: User Interface Language cannot be determined Anthony Creswell wrote: I installed OpenOffice.org 3.0 beta on Windows XP successfully, and it ran well for a few days. However it now won't start now and gives me the following message: The application cannot be started. The User Interface Language cannot be determined I have removed the program and re-installed having run CCleaner between installs. Help please, as I was impressed during the few days that OpenOffice 3 was up and running. I see no-one has yet responded, perhaps because no-one on this forum has had this problem or has heard about it happening before. I have Openoffice.org 3.0 Beta running on both Windows XP and Windows Vista with no comparable problem (and have not encountered or heard of a comparable problem with any earlier version of OpenOffice.org), You might try removing OpenOffice again after first noting down all the paths found in Tools - Options OpenOffice.org - Paths. These paths contain files which are used to retain your settings when you uninstall and reinstall again, and it is possible that one of the settings files has become corrupted. In Windows you may need to set some of the folders to be visible. Delete or rename these paths on your system and delete or rename the folder “OpenOffice 3” and the folder “Open Office” in your C:\Program Files folder. This should allow a clean reinstall without using any old files. If you still have the problem when you reinstall after this cleanup or if the problem later reoccurs, I recommend filing it as a bug on the OpenOffice.org website and sticking to OpenOffice 2.4 for the time being. As you appear not to be subscribed to this forum, I am sending a copy of this message directly to your email address. If you have any further comments or questions, please address them directly to users@openoffice.org, not to my personal email address. Jim Allan Jim is correct When I had trouble with a printing/printer problem, I found out, the hard way, that OOo does not remove the user options and the extention when you uninstall. I had to go to the C:\program.. directory and remove/rename it before I could fix my problem. Sometimes even the non-beta versions the software (any software) can hickup and change some user defined value or hardware definded value. The only recourse is to get rid of the created directories. I have had that problem with Abobe's CS2 and 3 version placing almost 1 gig of files that were left on my computer after an uninstall of Photoshop CS3 and some others. Tim L. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Microsoft and ODF
http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3832 Here is another article. I say this one first. It talked like PC World scooped MS's anouncement. I had loaded FireFox with all of the MS/ODF articles listed on this list and will be reading them. MS is planning something. That is the only reason for them to say they will support ODF, since they have pushed their format so hard as the only real choice for a ISO standard. Something is up. Maybe they figured out a way to make ODF look bad in some way, like other have said. I think they have a plan for their next office suite that would cause trouble. Maybe make a big show of trying to comply with ODF but publically state that they cannot get it to work correctly, or somehow start talking about how the old version of the ISO ODF is not keeping up with the newest things on the market and technology needs to offer. I am just thinking out loud, but MS must have something in mind that would profit them and to make other look bad. That is the only reason they would spend the money on this project. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Posts from Michelle Konzack
- Original Message - From: Jack D. Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [users] Posts from Michelle Konzack Jerry Clancy wrote the following on 5/20/2008 11:22 AM: Would somebody please tell me why virtually every post from her has an empty message with an attachment? I don't open attachments unless necessary. Jerry I haven't noticed any empty messages from her. Maybe Outlook isn't parsing messages as well as it should. -- Jack I use Outlook Express for reading this list as well. I have noticed the same thing with other downloads as well. Blame MS again. It is soon time to go to Thunderbird. I am down to 24 email address I need to monitor, so it may be time. Thanks for bringing the trouble up. I would never have asked about it. Tim L. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: opening documnet
From: Jim Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerry Clancy wrote: Oo can't even save to an old Office 2000-compatible format or read them well. I also receive an important newsletter created by the author in Word 2002 every day and Oo almost makes it unreadable because of the way it doesn't handle boxed text, spacing (adds a lot) and mixed fonts in the same paragraph. Making the adjustments to make the daily document readable just sucks up too much time. I went with Oo on my new box in lieu of handing MS yet more money but the reality is that we must deal with a world that demands we pretty seamlessly move between Oo and ALL versions of Word, like it or not. I don’t dispute what you say. However I’ve been working with OpenOffice Writer at work for about 5 years now and part of my work involves converting letter copy sent to us by clients to put into mail-merge print programs. We have a large number of clients and the letter copy often comes in Microsoft .doc format and some clients are very fussy about formatting. But the only problem I’ve encountered is the occasional graphic not appearing in exactly the correct position. In short, we are constantly converting from .doc to .odf without any difficulty. You might post a copy of this newsletter to some place we can copy it down, if this is allowable. The difficulty might be ... and I'm only guessing here ... that the editor of the newsletter is using a feature or features in Microsoft Office that most people don’t use, for example setting word spacing to WordPerfect standard (which is actually much better than default MS standard and is narrower); but OpenOffice doesn't support WordPefect character spacing. This two-way conversion should be a top priority for the Oo team, IMHO, because lacking it severely inhibits its adoption. You may not realize how often people claim that some feature that they want should be top priority for the Oo team. The trouble is that there are so many such top priority features requested. But you should be able to use MS Word Viewer to read your newsletter. That is a free product. See http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3657CE88-7CFA-457A-9AEC-F4F827F20CACDisplayLang=en for the viewer. Jim Allan Have you tried to see what the Office 2000 and 2002 files look like in a Word Viewer? This is the link for Word 2003 Viewer. I just googled for it. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=95E24C87-8732-48D5-8689-AB826E7B8FDFdisplaylang=en See if the Word files look OK through the Viewer. That will save he-said/she-said type of discussion. If it look good using the Viewer, and not good in OOo, then that answers the question. If you have an over version of Office, you may find a extention from MS to view newer version within you older version. That is what I did for viewing/importing Office 2007 files into my MS Office package. Although I use OpenOffice.org for over 98% (a guess) of my office needs. I have little trouble with what you are saying, but that is what MS Viewers are for. Tim L.
Re: [users] Posts from Michelle Konzack
- Original Message - From: Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [users] Posts from Michelle Konzack --- This email has a text attachement with the following plus a signature.asc file as well. The text of the email is empty. Is this what you are talking about? -- On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:02:18 +1200 Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2008 13:22:40 -0400 Jerry Clancy wrote: Would somebody please tell me why virtually every post from her has an empty message with an attachment? I don't open attachments unless necessary. Jerry She sends 2 part messages: *** Part 1 header *** --4bRzO86E/ozDv8r1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *** *** Part 2 header *** --4bRzO86E/ozDv8r1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.pgp Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline *** Nothing abnormal there. I would suggest your MUA (Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138) is broken. You could download Thunderbird and give that a go. Agreed. I also send pgp-signed messages. I had added gpg4win on my company provided laptop. -- -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Want Spreadhsheet Only
- Original Message - From: jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED] NoOp wrote: No. Just as you cannot just install MS Excel as a standalone program, OpenOffice.org is an office suite. Excel is available as a stand alone program. http://www.buy.com/prod/microsoft-excel-mac-2008-complete-product-1-pc-retail-mac-intel-based/q/loc/105/206165703.html http://www.pricewatch.com/software_spreadsheet/excel.htm For macintosh and windows, respectively. xan jonathon On the Office 2003 pro cd, you can setup Word, Excel, Powerpoint, etc. individually. So if you want only Word, you use setupwrd.exe. Excel - setupexl.exe There are 13 setupXXX.exe files to choose one, including the one to install the PRO part, which did not install Publisher and a couple other parts.
Re: [users] Re: opening documnet
- Original Message - From: Twayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: [users] Re: opening documnet Hi There - Even after converting my oo document to a .doc, my potential boss cannot open my resume when I email it to him. Any suggestions? Thank you for answering!! Carrie What version did you save it to? If you can't find out what version he's using, try using the older Word97 Save As. If he has Word 2007 or 2008 I don't think OOo saves a current enough file format yet - Word 7 8 won't even open for instance, Word 2003 without addins. MS seems to want everyone buying new software; bad move IMO. When I use save as Word 97/2000/XP, my MS Word 2003 read the saved as file very well. So my opinion is save your ODF document as Word 97/2000/XP. I would not save it as Word 2003 if you do not know which version of Word he is using. If her used 2007/2008, then save it as Word 2003. Yet to my opinion, Word 97/2000/XP is a very good document version to use even if he has 2007/2008. Even though MS is trying to no longer support the older document formats, they still are supporting those formats in their read/importing. You just cannot have Word 2003 save the oldest doc formats, and I am told that Word 2007 will not save the document in a Word 97 readable format. SO save it in the Word 97/2000/XP format and your potential boss should be able to read it. Of course, you also could send along a PDF version of resume as well. I did that many times when I was getting consulting jobs in the late 90's/early 2000's. Tim L. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
From: Keith N. McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Bates wrote: Sammy Njuguna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: OOo is a brilliant office application. It can do better. The way ahead is actually the way that Firefox has moved forward- plug-ins and extensions. OOo is just starting to move down that track and i think as extensions develop, many of these problems will be sorted out by third party developers working out add-ons that will meet specific needs. There is nothing in the proposal that would preclude TMP being done as an extension. A lot of people have put their two-cents in, so I will add mine. What ever happened to the term Modular programs? I am not talking about modules like C++ uses. I am talking about the idea that you have a set of programs that are put together to create a system of programs to do your tasks. Why not have a module for wordprocessing, another for spreadsheets, another for drawing, email, browser, etc.,etc.. All of these modules can share features, i.e.., email could use some of the editing features of the wordprocessor or the wordprocessor could send an email using some of the email features. If you do not like the wordprocessor module, you change it out for another one. Same goes for the email, drawing, browser modules. The connections between modules could be created, like stated above, through extensions and add-ons. How much integration or sharing of features could depend upon the module program and the extension that connects them. Firefox has an add-on that a menu add-on that goes to the OpenOffice.org web site. Why cannot such an add-on not open a OOo process when the file is not HTML. Have one that you can choose the software to use as the viewer/editor when you open/download a document from the net. There is one to decide if you want to view a PDF document within the browser, using an add-on PDF reader, or to open a different external program to view the PDF document, or thirdly, just save it for viewing later. Can the good people who writes these add-ons, etc., write one that gives you the ability to say: Documentview types with HTML- Firefox PDF- view with xyz PDF reader TXT - DOC - ODF - you get to add the document types and the default viewer/editors as you see fit. You could have another add-on in the email that allows you to choose what dictionary(s) you want to use for the spell checking, etc., thereby allowing you to choose one dictionary for all your applications. Also you can choose which email package you use to send the large document you just finished in your wordprocessor. Some of these ideas are partly covered my many different extensions and add-ons used in Firefox or OpenOffice.org. So many people want OOo to integrate with an email package, whether it is built by the OOo teams or they use someone else's package. Other people have lists of software package type they want to see on OOo. The modular/extension way is the only option I currently know of that would work. First use the extension/add-on idea to integrate the various software packages, then someday, design the software to be use as either standalone of as a module of a suite of software. Then you can choose what email that goes with what wordprocessor, that goes with what spreadsheet, that goes with what browser, etc., etc.. Tim L. retired mainframe programmer, a long winded and an avid believer in the open-source concept. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] What open source teaches publishers
I found this ZNet article. I think it has some good information about the Open Source concept of software, etc. It is a good read. What open source teaches publishers, posted by Dana Blankenhorn May 15th, 2008 http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2432tag=nl.e539
[users] Best version for Mac(s)?
Have anyone used the NeoOffice.org version of OpenOffice.org? Which one is better for a Mac PowerBookG4 PowerPC, OSX/10.3.9? How about an iMac? I have a friend that used Macs and I want to make sure I send her a CD(s) with the better version of the OpenOffice.org based software. I have the CD for Win/Linux/Mac for OpenOffice.org 2.4 but will download NeoOffice.org package if it is better for her version of Mac(s). Thanks for your help guys/gals in advance
Re: [users] [moderated]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I loaded several addons for Open Office, than decided I didn't need them. I uninstalled them through system add/remove programs. I now get the following errors when I load Open Office. I close each one the program finishes loading and I have no problems. Error loading Basic of document file ... Program/../shared/uno_packages/cache/uno_packages/32.tmp_/Pagination-1.3.1.cxt/pagination/dialog.xlb. Error loading Basic of document file ... Program/../shared/uno_packages/cache/uno_packages/32.tmp_/AltSearch.oxt/AltSearch/dialog.xlb. Error loading Basic of document file ... Program/../shared/uno_packages/cache/uno_packages/32.tmp_/DateTime2.oxt/DateTime2/dialog.xlb. Error loading Basic of document file ... Program/../shared/uno_packages/cache/uno_packages/333.tmp_/WriterTools/WiterTools/dialog.xlb. What do I need to do to remove the errors. I'm able to edit config files if that is necessary or how do I completely remove Open Office so that I can re - install it without the errors. Thank you for your time. Peace, LMRagman I had the same trouble. What I did was uninstall the Addons, then I went to the Addon/extentions section of the web site and found the latest versions of the ones that gave me trouble and downloaded them again. This worked for me. Hopefully it will work for you. I searched the extentions by latest added to site. Writers Tools and Pagination had several versions on the site. I forgot what extention it was, but is had 7 or 8 version listed there. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] What is happening to this list?
I know this is off topic BUT As I read some of the emails I have downloaded over the past few days, it seems there are alot of really off topic stuff, including POLITICS and PEOPLE BASHING. Please stop these types of things here. There is a social group list for OOo that is for such things. More than one NewBee to OpenOffice.org in my area has questioned this list as a good way to get help, since there is so much off topic stuff listed here. PLEASE help clean up this off topic stuff from this list. Thankyou Tim L. --- aka Web At Work - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] RE: Impress: PowerPoint narration - save me from microsoft
Outlook Express does not do that problem - Original Message - From: Marshall Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jack D. Lewis' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; users@openoffice.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [users] RE: Impress: PowerPoint narration - save me from microsoft Jack, I don't know what's going wrong. The original problem was due to the fact that I'm using Outlook, and it was breaking the URL. The URL did not fit on a single line, and Outlook was inserting a newline in the address. The actual URL ends with 10641 To fix the problem, I rewrote the URL without any indentation, and this time if fit on a single line, so Outlook didn't mess with it. This time, when I received my message from users@openoffice.org, the link was intact and I had no trouble clicking on it to go to the web site. In any case, use this URL: http://discussions.blackboard.com/jive4/thread.jspa?messageID=106419#10641 If the above URL is split between two lines, make sure there are no embedded spaces, and make sure the line ends with 10641. Marsh Feldman -Original Message- From: Jack D. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:57 AM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [users] RE: Impress: PowerPoint narration - save me from microsoft Marshall Feldman wrote the following on 5/15/2008 9:41 AM: Hi, Bill pointed out that the original link in my message didn't work. (Do we need any more proof for why Outlook needs to go?) Here is the correct link. http://discussions.blackboard.com/jive4/thread.jspa?messageID=106419#1064 1. Marsh Feldman Marsh, I'm not so sure that the problem is Outlook. Your corrected link in the second email came through the same as the first. The text is correct but the link isn't. I just tried to put the correct link in with Thunderbird (WinXp, SP2, v2.0.0.14) and TBird would corrupt it the same as Outlook did no matter which method I used to enter the link. -- Jack - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1445 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:25 PM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: new user nees HELP!!!!!
From: Fred A. Miller Dotan Cohen wrote: You'd be surprised at how many systems do not have a PDF reader installed. Plus Adobe Reader 8.1.2 for Windows takes up 130MB of disk space. In this case I think it better that the OP simply save the file in Word format for her _boss_ :-) I probably would be surprised. How about HTML? GIF? :) Does the Microsoft operating system really not come with a pdf reader?!? I find that very hard to believe. What does it come with, other than Notepad and IE? NOTHING of much value. Fred Go to Download.com - Search for PDF Readers and you will find many readers that are much less in download size than Adobe 8.x. listed by date - last added first. Cool PDF Reader 2.0.0.99- 901.6K Brava Reader 3.0.0.6 - 15.21 MB Foxit PDF Reader 2.3 build 2825 - 2.55MB (5 stars) Free PDF Text Reader 1.1- 3.12 MB (2-3 stars) Look on their site and you will find many things that you may want to have. This is where I found Openoffice.org for the first time, and I have been using it ever since. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Oh my... What will MS think of next The Ultimate Steal
From: M Henri Day 2008/5/13 NoOp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh my... http://www.theultimatesteal.com/store/msshus/ContentTheme/pbPage.microsoft_office_ultimate quote Hey College Students Seize the deal! Get Microsoft(R) Office Ultimate 2007 for just $59.95. It's a total steal: save time and money with this premium offer. Office Ultimate 2007's brand new features and fresh look will help you organize and get all your work done in the blink of an eye. The Ultimate Steal is finally here and available at a special discount price for college students, so grab it now! /quote But wait... there's more! http://www.microsoft.com/education/ultimatesteal.mspx quote . . . The following conditions serve to define student eligibility for the Promotion: 1. Individual must possess a valid e-mail address at a U.S. educational institution which contains the domain suffix .edu; AND 2. Individual must be a student at a U.S. educational institution and must be actively enrolled in at least 0.5 course credit and be able to provide proof of enrollment upon request. Microsoft or an appointed vendor may contact you to verify that you are a current student. If documentation is not provided indicating that you are a current student, you will be liable to reimburse Microsoft for the full retail cost of the software ($679). Program Description: Eligible students may have free access to Microsoft(R) Office Ultimate 2007 Trial for a limited amount of time. Each trial provides (1) 25 application launches (each launch of an individual Office Ultimate application is counted as one launch) before the software goes into reduced functionality mode (at which time your software behaves similarly to a viewer, you cannot save modifications to documents or create any new documents, and additional functionality might be reduced); and (2) the opportunity to purchase the following perpetual license for the Microsoft(R) Office Ultimate 2007 software: . . . /quote Other: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/how-to-get-microsoft-office-at-91-percent-off/index.html but this is interesting: quote UPDATE: As Jude Biersdorfer pointed out, Microsoft says you have to carry at least a half-credit course load to get the deal. Microsoft's site says you have to pay the full price if they find out you are not. /quote That doesn't seem to be mentioned in the http://www.microsoft.com/education/ultimatesteal.mspx link besides, would MS then take on further big brother duties of not only monitoring your OS, but also your office suite *and* your grades/student status? http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/suites/HA101750061033.aspx I reckon that we'll start getting all sorts of queries from .edu folks after their free trial runs out. It also appears that MS are concerned about the upcoming OOo 3.0; nail down the students, staff et al at a 91% discount... It would be nice to think that OOo and other similar open-source office suites now finally have Microsoft running scared and forced to offer these huge discounts in order to lock customers in, but there is nothing new in any of this ; rather it is MS SOP. Aside from technical lock-ins to MS Office - I ran into one the other day after installing OOo 2.4 for a retiree who saw no reason to invest a great deal of money which she could use to better purpose to purchase a product key in order to activate a version of MS Office 2007 which was, unbeknown to her, pre-installed on her new Vista machine - MS uses the same methods to promote its ubiquitous OSs ; for an account of how this is done, see the aptly titled article «Windows is Free» (http://tinyurl.com/223llt) on TLUG's website. In my opinion, the worst consequences for OOo and other competitors of these marketing tactics is that they are forced to chase non-existant «standards» - to which, as has been pointed out many times on this list, latest in connexion with the OOXML debacle, not even Microsoft itself adheres - in order to have a chance to find users. In a reasonable world, it should suffice for OOo 3.0 to save documents in odt eller rtf format, etc, but in the real world, alas, that is not the case Henri Well, how about this one. I received a spam from MS the other week advertising their suite. I was offered the Trial using a button stating Buy Now. The spam's button forwarding address was listed to go to MS's site, not a spamer's site. Now you have to buy their Trials Now MS is spamming to get their product more advertisement. How low can they get. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] [moderated] PDF Editor
Some of those PDF Editors are good, but creates large files compared to Adobe. I have Adobe Pro 6 installed, but I also have 7 and 8. I like Adobe Acrobat Professional 6 over the the other versions. But, . . . . . . . cost is the thing for all of us. Just make sure you get the best of the free or low cost editors. I look into them every so often, just to see how good they are getting. AND they are getting better and better. That is why version 8 is now over 1 gig installed and can do more than just create and edit PDFs. Adobe Acrobat is getting even more bloted than MS Word and other stuff like that. Good luck with your search. - Original Message - From: Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [users] [moderated] PDF Editor That's not correct. Adobes is the most complete solution but various third party PDF editors do exist: http://www.google.com/search?q=pdf+editor On Sat, 10 May 2008 01:00:25 -0400 Jerry Clancy wrote: That's correct, though I believe there are some third-party readers and components. The RAVE reporting tool, for example, includes a PDF conversion. However, if you want to edit a PDF you will need Adobe's expensive Acrobat, the install of which can be fraught with problems. In comparison to using Word and Adobe's Distiller (part of Acrobat), the generation of the PDF file in OOo is an order of magnitude faster and does convert links (URLs). Very impressive. There does not seem to be anyway, though, in OOo to parameterize the PDF generation e.g., include links or notes, etc.). Jerry AFAIK only Adobe can really read and edit PDF. OOo can make a PDF of a Write or Calc file, you can copy parts of a PDF into an OOo file, but that's not editing a PDF file, is it? -- Guy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OOo 3 beta - Can you have 3.0 and 2.4 together?
From: Michele i just posted with the same query. I'd like to try the beta version, but unfortunately, i don't have a system i can play around with where i could simply ruin the installation. web at work wrote: I received the Beta 3.0 notice I would like to know if you can have OOo 3.0 beta and 2.4 on the same computer/laptop? I know version 2.3 and 2.4 cannot because of the 2.x numbers. But could version 3.0 and 2.x can both be installed and used??? If not, I do not know if I want to use 3.0 Beta since I need to use OOo for a lot of work that is time sensitive this month. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Check out Barclays Premier League exclusive video clips here! http://fc.sg.msn.com/index.aspx Hello WaW, Girard, I am successfully running three (!) versions of OOo on my system 2.3.1 (because 2.4 has a serious bug in Writer), 2.4 and 3.0beta Could you indicate the operating system you are using? Cheers, Michele I followed I use XP Pro on main machine and Win2000/pro on backup - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OOo 3 beta - Can you have 3.0 and 2.4 together?
From: Michele I use XP Pro on main machine and Win2000/pro on backup It just occurred to me (after Julio mentioned it :-))) ) that there should be no problem in installing OOo2.4 and OOo3.0Beta in parallel. The link to the wiki I sent earlier is for people who want to install two versions of OpenOffice.org2 or two versions that for whatever reason want to be installed in the same directory. So, I guess you can just go ahead with downloading OOo3.0Beta and install it. (don't know what happens to the files association though) If given the choice use 2.4 as default to open the odf files. Apologies for the confusion :-) Michele I just installed Beta 3.0 in Program Files\_beta\ directory so it would not be any where near the version 2.4 directory - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] OOo 3 beta - Can you have 3.0 and 2.4 together?
I received the Beta 3.0 notice I would like to know if you can have OOo 3.0 beta and 2.4 on the same computer/laptop? I know version 2.3 and 2.4 cannot because of the 2.x numbers. But could version 3.0 and 2.x can both be installed and used??? If not, I do not know if I want to use 3.0 Beta since I need to use OOo for a lot of work that is time sensitive this month. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Download time for open office
- Original Message - From: Harold Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [users] Download time for open office 2008/5/6 web at work [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Subject: [users] Download time for open office Could you please tell me how big the Open Office download is. I have been downloading 5 hours on dial up! Thanks David Morgan David, how fast is your Internet Connection? To find out, if you do not know, go to this site. http://www.speedtest.net/ Also when you download the file you should see the numbers. Many times it is slower than your max speed, due to the speed of the server and the number of people downloading at the same time. The total for the file is about 130 meg. If your speed is 56K then lets do the math. 56k = 0.056 m/sec though it could be faster line 128k = 0.128 m/sec 130 meg / 0.056 = 2322 seconds (rounded up) 2322 sec = 38.7 minutes. Errrm. Am I losing it or is this off by a factor of about 8 (more actually)? OOOPs - well I tried. So the modem was in bits and the file is always in bytes. My brain OOPs-ed But my test downloads were correct - right from the download list in Firefox. Mine is XP Pro (32 bit) on an AMD Athlon 62 using RoadRunner Broadband Cable Modem - up to 5 meg speed Please try the speed test at various locations they offer. It may help check how well your modem system is working The 56K [modem] speed is in *bits* per second. The 130meg file size is in *bytes*. The more actually comes from the fact that more than the file (packet headers trailers etc.) is transmitted. The download-time calculator at http://billbrownmusic.com/calc.htm gives just under 5hrs 25 mins for a 130MB file at 56Kb lline connection which is very close to 8 times your result. Oh, and by the way, the OP is unsubscribed and you didn't include his e-mail address in your reply ... -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1417 - Release Date: 5/6/2008 8:07 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Download time for open office
From: Joseph Bit? Bytes? Is a bit a small bit of a byte or is a byte just a small bite from a bit??? Or maybe a bit is past tense of a byte??? Technology! Gr grimace GR is more proper, and I goofed with several computer degrees. Too basic to remember. You got BITS only a 1 and or a 0 in one bit location you got BYTES 8 bits. (8 bit locations) KB 1024 byteskilobytes MB 1024 KBmegabytes GB 1024 MB gigabytes TB 1024 GB terabytes. By the way I saw - two days ago - an ad for a 1 TB hard drive for under $300 and a 5 year warranty. TigerDirect.com of course MS does not like partitions over 100 - 120 MB and it is better to have it smaller or larger. This was for FAT32, but I was told that NTFS tends to use the same rule. So a computer with The Following Drive Letters (unless you use NTFS to make a single volume out of several partitions) a 250 GB first drive - C:(100gig), F(100), H(50) a 1 TB second drive - E: (100gig),G(100), I(100), K(100),L(100) , M(100), N(100), O(100), P(100), Q(100) with a CD/DVD drive- D: - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Download time for open office
Subject: [users] Download time for open office Could you please tell me how big the Open Office download is. I have been downloading 5 hours on dial up! Thanks David Morgan David, how fast is your Internet Connection? To find out, if you do not know, go to this site. http://www.speedtest.net/ Also when you download the file you should see the numbers. Many times it is slower than your max speed, due to the speed of the server and the number of people downloading at the same time. The total for the file is about 130 meg. If your speed is 56K then lets do the math. 56k = 0.056 m/sec though it could be faster line 128k = 0.128 m/sec 130 meg / 0.056 = 2322 seconds (rounded up) 2322 sec = 38.7 minutes. But the math can be totally wrong at 90k/sec, it takes 24 min at 118k/sec it takes 18 min these figures are from test downloads at 01:24 UTC (universial time) May 6th but during the downloading, the rates change. So the answer is, it all depends. I would try downloading the file after 9pm local time Also you can try http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US or look into the mirror sites http://distribution.openoffice.org/mirrors/#archive PLEASE keep trying. It is worth it. even if you have to download it all night (which should not happen) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Extras CD
Thanks for the below email It reminded me that I had to download a new ISO set for 2.4, since I had not download a version since 2.1 or 2.2 Thanks so much - Original Message - From: Chuck Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OpenOffice users@openoffice.org Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [users] Extras CD Well, I feel kind of stupid. I didn't get an autorun when I put the disk in and simply went to examine the files on the disk. All is now fine and I thank you. Chuck Fiedler On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:37 AM, James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck Fiedler wrote: I bought the CD for OOo which includes the Extras CD. I don't see an install file on this CD. How do I make it work? TIA. The installation file will have a name something like this OOo_2.4.0_Win32Intel_install_en-US.exe (exact name depends on version), which should be on the CD. Do you have something like that? Double click on it, to start the installation. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 6:01 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Translate
Thanks for the sugestion for a free translator - Original Message - From: jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [users] Translate On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Michele wrote: There is no translation tool embedded in OpenOffice.org (at least not that I know of) There is a Babelfish translation macro for OOo. There is also an extension that functions as a translation glossary. This works best when you want to translate the same term the same way across different documents. EG: There are three different terms used for God in Chinese. Using the translation glossary macro, a quick search in each document can help one ensure that the same term is used throughout the document. but you can use OmegaT http://www.omegat.org) which If you know how to translate material, that works better than the macros. xan jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1416 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 5:11 PM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Free AVG8.0 Is Now Available
From: Jonathan Kaye Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:29 AM Subject: [users] Re: Free AVG8.0 Is Now Available JOE Conner wrote: Off topic, but of general interest, free AVG 8.0 is now available for home use: http://free.grisoft.com/ww.download?prd=afe general interest??? I don't think so. ;-) Jonathan -- That is news to me Last week they still had only the version 7.x.x for free - which I have. I will give it a look and see. Thanks -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1404 - Release Date: 4/29/2008 6:27 PM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] New version of most complete free office suite is available
I am not KAMI but: I had to uninstall OpenOffice.org to get OxygenOffice installed buy I was back to OOo within the month. that is my two cents worth of help - Original Message - From: John Boyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [users] New version of most complete free office suite is available To KAMI: For some reason I cannot install your OxygenOffice professional 2.4 over the official version, all I get is cannot install the same version over itself! How do I get your extended version to install, Please? :-( KAMI wrote: OxygenOffice Professional 2.4.0 is ready for Download! (Always BETA*) OxygenOffice Professional 2.4.0 - Extended, open and free (formerly known as OpenOffice.org Premium) Get more. Do more. About OxygenOffice Professional OxygenOffice Professional is a free and open source enhancement of official OpenOffice.org. The OxygenOffice Professional Team has modified the source of OpenOffice.org and bundled lot of extras with it. Here are just a few of the extras you get with OxygenOffice Professional: More than 3,400 graphics are included, both clip art and photos. These pictures are integrated into the gallery and can easily be placed into any OxygenOffice document. Several templates and sample documents are included, as well as over 90 fonts. The extras are integrated by default in the installation of OxygenOffice Professional, but they are optional, so the user can decide what parts to include and what parts to leave out. These extra templates, fonts, and graphics are free for both personal and professional use. Additional tools like OOoWikipedia, which can search the free on-line encyclopedia Wikipedia, are also included. An enhanced help menu, additional User's Manual, and the enabled extended tips are great to help beginners get started using OxygenOffice Professional. Moreover you can use more predefined gradients, colors and other useful element. The current version is able to run VBA (Visual Basic for Applications) from Excel documents in Calc (under development) and also you can import Office Open XML (Microsoft Office 2007), Works, WordPerfect files and T602 documents also you can import WordPerfect Graphics graphical files too. Also many cool features: * Enhanced SVG inport capabilities * Improved EMF rendering * Enhanced performance * Calc solver * Gstreamer multimedia integration for Linux operating systems * 3D Impress effects for Linux (Windows support arrives in 3.0) * And many more smaller improvments More information about OxygenOffice Professional: http://ooop.sf.net/ OxygenOffice Professional is based on OpenOffice.org 2.4.0 This latest and greatest version has new functions like enhanced PDF management and direct export to LaTex and MediWiki. The OxygenOffice Professional team of international developers changed the name of the project , (which was formerly known as OpenOffice.org Premium), to simplify things and point out that this project is independent from the OpenOffice.org project. Our team loves and supports the OpenOffice.org project, and did not want to cause any potential confusion. More information about OpenOffice.org: http://www.openoffice.org/ Changes in the recent version: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Testing_2.4 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/New_Features_2.4 http://www.oooninja.com/2008/03/new-features-openofficeorg-240.html You can download OxygenOffice Professional 2.4.0 from here: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170021 ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/oxygenoffice/ Available language versions: Hungarian (HU), English (en-US), German (DE), Italian (IT), French (FR), Turkish (TR), Georgian (KA), Finnish (FI), Spanish (ES), Portugal (Brazilian) (pt-BR), Dutch (NL) and Polish (PL), Swedish (SV), Japanese (JP), Chinese (zh-CN), Czech (cs) Supported platforms: Linux 32 bit (RPM and DEB), Linux 64 bit (DEB and RPM) and Windows 32 bit The modified source code can be downloaded here via SVN: https://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=170021 We are looking for supporters! Please contribute to our project in these areas: templates, cliparts, fonts, music, effects, documentation, wiki pages, bugfixing, developing, file mirroring, etc. Also you can donate our project with money: http://sourceforge.net/project/project_donations.php?group_id=170021 * - It is Always BETA: However OxygenOffice Professional based on source code of OpenOffice.org it may be not so stable and robust as OpenOffice.org. If you found problem please check it also on Openoffice.org. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL
Re: [users] New version of most complete free office suite is available
Be honest, I do not know, EXCEPT that since Oxygen is based on OOo then the computer thinks that you are either trying to install an older version of the software or the same version. My opinion is that the computer cannot figure what you need to keep and what you need to install, if the files are too similar. The true reason(s) involve how the Registry sees the incoming software and finds that there is the same software installed, but there is enough differences to confuse the install process for the Registry system. If the Registry cannot tell if the new software is the same or different, or there is some Registry option that is not turned on/off, then you cannot reinstall even software that is exactually the same. If it was a different value, then you could do a repair install over the current version. The only way to make sure ALL of the Registry options and values are wiped clean and then remade with the newest values. There are whole volumes of books about how the Registry works. Some counterdict the others. confused? Why could Oxygen just make an add-on to OOo instead of creating a whole new version. Just add the add-on, and you got it. Well they did not, so you have to get to do it the hard way. From: Harold Fuchs On 30/04/2008 22:37, web at work wrote: I am not KAMI but: I had to uninstall OpenOffice.org to get OxygenOffice installed buy I was back to OOo within the month. Why, please? snip -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Starting OpenOffice
good, easy one. Still have not found one that was not a dummy book. In the end, all anyone can say is download OpenOffice.org 2.4 and download Office 2007 trial edition. See which one you like best. That goes for Windows, Mac, or Linux(if MS had one). Try it and see. I did when OOo was in its early years, and have been using it ever since. I keep Office 2003/pro around with the 2007 filters so I can download the 2007 templates and save them in DOC format. This fall when version 3.0 comes out, I may not need any MS Office product. As always, I am a bit long winded, blame the stroke. But, I hope I gave you some more to think about. TL, Elmira NY, USA or Web at Work (at home working actually since the stroke) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: 4/29/2008 7:26 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Office 2007 and OOXML
Ganesha Bhaskara wrote: web at work wrote: Everyone has their own opinions. Everyone sees the same facts and have their own take on what they actually mean. So. It is up to the user to decide. That is where it counts in the end. It is not as simple ... here is the reason (from one of my previous emails) The ubiquity of MS office products has created a network effect which is extremely had to break. Moving from .doc to .docx is a simple drop-in upgrade for Microsoft. I am FORCED to use MS word because a majority of the people I send/receive documents to/from use MS Office. Being compatible with this majority is a necessity for me. Further, there is little good reason for others to switch from MS word to OpenOffice as the ROI for such a switch is some pain WITHOUT significant immediate gains. Unless Openoffice and ODF provides a value proposition that exceeds the net value proposition of MS Office and its network of users, I believe ODF and Openoffice will find it hard to make a dent in the Office space. One can't tear down a monopoly by simply being better at the same game. However, the following things make me feel more optimistic. 1) Govts. waking up to long term digital data storage problem associated with proprietary solutions 2) OO supporting plugins . OO can move to a new space that MS does not have a foot hold. 3) Uncertainty about of hidden balance sheet liability to third parties who choose to implement OOXML -G I do understand about the network effect, BUT with the unsung heros, OOo programmers, are making OOo work with all of the current formats, including OOXML. MS does not do that. So when you are asked to upgrade you Office Suite AGAIN, you can look into OpenOffice.org and wonder if you should buy MS's product or get OOo for free. OOo v3.0 should have OOXML included. While MS will not include ODF's ISO MS has lost ground in both the Office Suite catagory and the OS catagory. More and more individuals and businesses are replacing Vista to Linux. Some are even downgrading from Vista to XP, since Vista is not working well for those companies. Then we come to the Office Suite issue. How many downloads has versions of 2.x seen? How many individuals, businesses, and governments have switched from MS Office products to OpenOffice or clone like versons such as OxygenOffice or the Mac versions. That is why I said it is up to the user to decide. Even many MS Office users are saying they have problems with MS's OOXML and the way 2007 is setup. Then the MS own reports of their new file format in the works. If MS want everyone to get Office 2007 so they can use OOXML formats, then why are there reports of a newer, better formats in the works? Then the reports of the next OS coming out years early that will be a total rewrite to make it more effecient than Vista. If Vista is so great, why the rush? Like other people, I must have MS products to support either my employer or my clients. Yet, more and more of my clients are agreeing with me that OpenOffice.org is the way to go. With Linux becoming an easier to use OS, and starting to get people to stop thinking it is a computer geek OS, more individuals are goint to switch. Plus the fact that with the use of WINE, most of the MS OS software will run on Linux. Why bother with XP, Vista, or the next one. When I get my next laptop, this one will be converted to Linux so I can start the process of using Linux with Windows. Then, when I have replaced all my Windows software with Linux ones that do the same, I will have all my computers converted. MS will, in the end, listen to their users in deciding what is needed in their products. With todays markets and the dissatifaction with software products, ALL companies will need to listen to their users, or will be doomed to fail in the future market places. The users will decide what they want and need. If Open Source products do it better and cheaper, then it makes business sense to choose Open Source. In the end, that is the way things will go. Who ever has what the user wants at the lower cost wins. For me it is Open Source products. And for more and more individuals, businesses, and governments it is the same. It is the user that will, in the end, choose. Sorry again for the long winded ranting. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 12:00 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Will openoffice work on the windows 98 operating system?
Richard wrote: Hi, I am on a student tech team for Messalonskee High School. One of the projects that the tech team is taking on is giving away computers to the people who don't have/cant afford a computer. We are trying to decide weather or not we should use Linux or Windows 98. I am looking for some freeware and I was wondering if openoffie works on windows 98? Thanks, Richard C I know version 1.x works with Win98, since I used it with my old Win98 computer. I have version 2.4 installed on Win 2000 pro, which is my current slowest machine, but I did have version 2.0 installed on a Win98 machine once. The system requirement section of the we site shows the following info: ___ Microsoft Windows a.. Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2 or higher), Windows XP, Windows 2003, Windows Vista (enhanced Vista integration from version 2.2) b.. 128 Mbytes RAM c.. At least 800 Mbytes available disk space for a default install (including a JRE) via download. After installation and deletion of temporary installation files, OpenOffice.org will use approximately 440 Mbytes disk space. d.. 800 x 600 or higher resolution with at least 256 colours ___ I hope that helps -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOXML
James wrote: Urbane Tiger wrote: $179 is a good price for a 500GB Western Digital external hard disk, and being available at the post office means it is widely available (unlike lots of cheap stuff, just ask anyone outside of metro areas). One would prefer it come with the far superior Firewire interface, but it comes with the vastly inferior USB interface. I would guess fewer than 10% of new desktop systems have a Firewire (IEEE1394) socket whereas 99.5% have several USB sockets. This was illustration of the best is not necessarily the winner. It was also a way of letting folks know that the Aussie post office is a place where bargains are often to be had. Define best. USB has the advantage that it can be used with so many other devices. I don't recall ever seeing a firewire mouse, printer or keyboard. Did anyone think about adding the Firewire card to the desktop? That is where desktop makers get their's. If the desktop makers to not want to pay the high price from the Firewire card makers, then there is no Firewire on the desktop. Firewire still may be owned my the original makers and do not want to sell the rights to make it unless you pay their high prices. You can get a Firewire and USB combo card really cheap these days. I have Firewire in my HP laptop, but not in an IBM server, or a Compaq (pre merger) desktop. Most of the external devices I have only use USB, since that is the most popular. If there was a push to make more than 50% of external devices (other than digital video devices) to have a Firewire port, then the computer makers will take notice and have a Firewore port on every computer they make. that is my opinion, what is yours? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOXML
Lindsay wrote: From: Urbane Tiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:21 PM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: [users] Re: OOXML On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:33:52 -0400, James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Urbane Tiger wrote: Now that OOXML has been accepted by the ISO as a standard can we expect OOo will adopt it its the preferred format. Please no rants - there are plenty of soapboxes that are very much more visble to the world at large than is this mailing list. This is no rant, but anyone who knows anything about OOXML would never suggest such a thing. From a technical perspective, it's an absolute disaster, the sole purpose of which, is to further MS lockin. Same goes for USB v Firewire. Can you buy a 500G WD Firewire hard disk at the Post Office for $AU179 -- no. Can you buy a 500G WD USB hard disk at the Post Office for $AU179 -- yes. Can someone help me understand this comment? What is the significance of one, and not the other, being available at the Post Office? There's obviously something here that I do not know, but probably ought to, so be kind to me vbg. -- Lindsay Graham Canberra, Australia Hello to everyone in Australia, from someone in USA There is a problem with people's ideas that if a giant business or government organization, then the software/ file format/ hardware must be the best out there. That is not always the case. These organizations use these things because of the best bids or deals these companies or businesses got for the products. There are some who think OOXML is better than the ISO based on ODF formats that OpenOffice.org uses. I for one have used both and I prefer ODF and OOo over OOXML and MS Office 2003/2007. Firewire and USB argument is based on the fact that Firewire has a faster data rate and can be daisy-chained instead of the need for a hub-device. SCSI was a daisy-chained hard drive technology and IDE/EIDE won that battle since it had higher capacity per cost of the device. If you have Firewire on your computer and you can get an external device with both Firewire and USB for the same cost as an USB only device, buy the combo version. Never buy Firewire only devices if you will one day need to use it on a computer with USB only - like a friend's computer or a company's computer. OOXML as an ISO standard - well that is not yet done. There is no final ISO standard as of yet for the OOXML formats. There are too many problems that need to be worked out before it will be finished as final ISO standard, like some other company successfully using it. AND MS has already moved away from their own proposed ISO standard and it seems that MS will not support their own proposed ISO standard. They are not willing to support the ODF based ISO, so why do people think they will support the OOXML based ISO. ODF was being used by many products before it was made an ISO, when OOXML is currently used by only one product (MS's) at the date of the proposal and preliminary acceptance by the ISO committee to work up a final version for the standard. a bit long winded, so to speak. Everyone has their preferences. I have mine, that person has his/hers, and you have yours. All you can do is look into the products you want to buy and ask around and choose the best one for you. I choose Open Source for the most part. I have to use MS XP or Vista for an operating, currently. When all of my XP/Vista products can be run on Linux or have a Linux version, then I will gladly convert all my computers to Linux. That is my opinion. It may not be yours or even the best one, but I have found it works for me and my friends and the companies/organizations that I support part time. TL, New York State, USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component
NoOp wrote: On 04/16/2008 03:09 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: Many people ask for an email client from OpenOffice.org, and these people have either never heard of Thunderbird or have rejected it for some reason. Thus, I suggest a different email client for OOo. See this OOo bug: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=88366 And how long do you figure that it would take David Harris to port to Linux Mac OS X? That is of course once the proprietary third-party core editor issue is resolved... Thunderbird currently supports Windows, Linux Mac OS X, is opensource (with Mozilla restrictions that are already acknowledged and used in OOo - see the OOo THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME.html), and localised for many languages: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/all.html Further, Thunderbird already has several million users, a vast support network, and a considerable amount of add-in's/extensions (to include Calendar/PIM). Sorry, but I'd not vote for 88366. I wonder why people rejects Thunderbird?? I have installed it on, I do not know how many, computers along with the latest version of OpenOffice.org . Also the people at Mozilla are working on an open source version of Eudora. That was a good email client, when I used it, before I tried the first versions of Thunderbird. Also, I wonder why people want OOo to have an intergrated email client? The volunteer programmers have enough to do making OOo the best Office Suite out there. Let people like the volunteers at Mozilla make the best browsers and email clients. They have years doing it. OOo volunteers have years doing their thing. Each doing the best in their field. Why would people want OOo do what Mozilla does best? That is my opinion, what's yours? T.L. in Elmira NY, USA. ie. web at work -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1381 - Release Date: 4/16/2008 9:34 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Can I Keep Microsoft Office?
James Knott wrote: Brian Lavoie wrote: I want to download Open Office, but will I have to remove Microsoft Office 2003? _ No, you can have both on the same computer. The only thing you'll have to watch for, is during the installation you'll be asked if you want to make OpenOffice the default application for Microsoft Office files. This is entirely your personal choice and can be easily changed later. Yes, you can have MS Office 2003 on your computer with OpenOffice.org. I have MS Office 2003 pro and OOo 2.4 on my laptop, but I use OOo for most of my work. At times, you may be required to have MS to do support something or someone, but for me, that does not happen more that once a month or so. If you do not NEED MS Office 2003 on the computer, uninstall it. Then save the MS CDs or DVD in a save place with the install codes. I have uninstalled it once or twice to make more room on the laptop to work on some very large projects. With everything I have on it, my laptop has only bout 16 gig out of the 80 gig free. If you run out of space - less that 10% free - I would look into adding a second drive. Easier to do on a desktop. If you have a laptop, look into the cost of a larger drive. I just have not had the time to do it lately. Remember, it is up to you. Keep MS or not. I do, but I must support a few who will not switch. The only real reason to uninstall MS Office is for the space on the drive. T.L. in New York State, USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Refund $11.95
From: jonathon On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM, James Carroll wrote: would like my refund of $11.95. For starters, ask the company that you paid the US$11.95 for a refund. All sending a request to this list does, is tell the world that you are oblivious to your financial affairs, and who you deal with. As such, you make an excellent target for financial crimes. What must I do? I'd suggest contacting Discover, and requesting a new card. Tell them that thru your own stupidity, your Discover credit card number and pin are available on the world wide web. xan jonathon -- Do not beat yourself up to much Even when you buy from the big international companies, you do not know if your information will still be safe. I received a letter from one after December and was told that their online store was hacked and ALL of their customer records were stolen. Everyone of the people I knew who had ordered from that company, including me, had to get a new card number. That is why, if I do not know the company, I use PayPal to pay the bill. Most online ordering places can use it. Don't you hate it when some company sells you something that was not their in the first place? When I sell a version of OOo, the buyers know that the purchase price goes to a local charity as a fund raiser. The info about where the money goes in listed one the disk and on a file in the disk itself. I am sorry for your troubles. I have been there, changing card numbers, any I know many people who were taken without any way to get your money back like Discovery Cards have. Hope you have good luck. Then sick the Attorney General on them plus Better Business as well. Also contact their hosting company using Whois.org or Whois.net for the DNS and get someone to track it. They will loose the hosting, and maybe their domain plus the government could rip them up as well. I do not want you to take this lying down fight back with all your might, or hand it over to your scrappiest friend. That is the only way to stop such companies from cheating. Also give you some education on what you can do and should never let done to you. Stay scrappy untill . . . . . they are gone for good. I helped drive 2 bad companies under over the years. do your best. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1373 - Release Date: 4/11/2008 9:17 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: PowerPoint text problem - shadowed text - more info
Subject: [users] Re: PowerPoint text problem - shadowed text - more info On 04/08/2008 06:29 PM, web at work wrote: additional info about this problem. Please start a new thread. ? ? ? ? ? ? This was my thread to start with. Why should I start a new thread? I am the one who needed the information. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.10/1367 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 7:10 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] PowerPoint text problem - word-art shadowed text
I was given a PowerPoint presentation that has a colored text that has a built in shadow. No built in the font, but in the presentation. When I view it in MS PP, then the shadowed text looks correct. Whe I view it in Impress, then there is no shadowed text and the text is just plain bad looking. The text that is the problem was created using the MS/P.P.'s Word Art options. Rainbowed Text with a Shadow. I am to add to this presentation and use it for a auto repeating information presentation. I got the repeating working ok, BUT it is the shadowed text that was created in PP that needs to be kept. I will run it in PP for the display, but since Impress is faster to load and run, I would rather convert it to Impress. So the decorated text that the original presentation, written by one of the heads of the organization that the display is for. So the original visuals need to be saved. .. ... . Impress seems not to like word art text. Can any one help? Can we save the shadowed text? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.10/1367 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 7:10 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Why I am unsubscribing from this list.
From: Lisi Reisz On Wednesday 09 April 2008 19:51:02 John Boyle wrote: I am unsubscribing from this list because of the arrogant attitude of those who, before making the decision to hold the alleged OOo conference in Beijing, did not bother to ask others for their opinion on where to hold that meeting! They did ask. All OOo members could vote. Beijing won by a large margin. (All the other proposed sites were in Europe.) Lisi If we were to get into politics, we all would have much to say about many countries. EU nation members may bash USA, while USA members bash other nations. Beijing and its policies towards its controlled countries has never been good. Now with the Olympics this summer and other stuff making China more in the spotlight, people are voicing their opinions more. BUT, this is a list of email users and helping hands that serve the English speaking user world wide. Other languages have other lists. This list should be above politics. Someone from one country could have a question, while someone from another country may have an answer to it. If I refuse to help out a person from Russia or the Middle East because I do not like some politics of that country, then I am no better than what I think that person could be. This list is here to help everyone. No matter which country the person is emailing from. The Open Source Community should be above worrying about a politics, ethnic origin, religion, or disability. With that said, I do not like to see the conference held in China, just like I do not want a certain party to be voted in as the President of the USA. But, I am not the sole voter on that subject. I do not remember how many emails I received about the voting for where the conference was to be held, or the process to choose the list of possible locations to vote on. I am just one vote among many. My vote counts equally as any one else. The votes were counted and the conference is in Beijing China this time. I may not like it. You many not like it. Yet the majority of voters chose that location. Next year you/me could organize a proposal for the conference to be in a city near you/me. Please, Please, keep politics out of this email list service. We all have our opinions and each are necessary for a community to function properly. This is not the place for politics to get in the way with helping others. Now let us all get on with the helping part of this email list. OK? Please? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.10/1367 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 7:10 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] [moderated] YOU MUST GIVE A SUMMARY HERE- PROBLEMS DOWNLOADING
I have been trying to dowload Open Office for more than four hours now and it still is not complete. I am on XP Home and would like to know how long this should take Depending on the server or mirror you are downloading from AND the Internet traffic between there and you AND how far away you are from that server AND the type of connection and speed you have you see my point there are a lot of factors I have Broadband with 5 meg max download speed and sometimes it takes 15 to 20 minutes, while others can take 2-4 hours. It all depends on how many people are trying to download files from the same server/connection, plus the Internet traffic. To be honest. At 5 meg speed for download, I have 5 times the bandwidth than many businesses in my area with 50 or more people, plus two colleges in my area. Try a bandwidth test site to see what you are actually getting for download speeds, and do it for several big cities across you part of the country or the world. There are a lot of factors. Just try again plus use a download manager if you have dialup and sometimes even if you use broadband. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.10/1367 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 7:10 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Compatability Issues with Office 2007 Documents
I have tired Oxygen. . . a few months ago and it did not read/write them well. Also when you try to read the resulting word document into the Word 2007 trial, it caused an error. I hope it is fixed now. It would be great if you could have both installed at the same time. I switched back from Oxygen. . . to OpenOffice.org If you have kept up with the MS ISO stuff, you may have read something about MS may not support their own creation of their ISO standard format. The same with the .docx format with other programs. 6000+ pages of format definitions are really hard to comply to. 600+ for the ODF standard is much better. It will be great to get .docx and the x formats to be read/written by Oxygen and OOo. OOo should have that done for version 3.0, but I do not know how well OxygenOffice is doing it currently. Next year, MS may have some other format(s) as their defaults. It was announced that Microsoft 7 OS will be out several years early - NEXT YEAR. So Vista (MS 6) is being replaced next year. Here we go again. . . . .. . - Original Message - From: jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [users] Compatability Issues with Office 2007 Documents Larry wrote: and OpenOffice does not appear to recognize the extentions created OxygenOffice Professional can open text documents created with MSO 2007. You can download it from Sourceforge. xan jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 4/7/2008 8:56 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OpenOffice issues with MS Office on same machine
From: Dave Caudle Subject: [users] OpenOffice issues with MS Office on same machine Is anyone aware of any major issues or drawbacks with using OpenOffice on a computer that already has a version of MS Office running? MS Office 2003 to be precise with Word, Excel and Outlook. I'd like to take a look at some of the other parts of OpenOffice - Impress and Draw in particular - for which I don't have a comparable MS Office component installed. Thank you. Dave Caudle I need to have MS Office 2003/Pro on my laptop for some of the people I deal with, since they will not switch to OOo. I also have OOo 2.4 installed on the same laptop. There are not real issues with having both on the same computer. The only problem I have found is when you have the MS update run on the computer, if it involved with Office, then it may try to change the file assignments. I have .doc and such defaulted to OpenOffice.org, but after the MS updates, the software tries to switch it back. I have WinPatrol (Scotty dog icon) on my laptop so it warns me of the wanted change, and I refuse the changes. That works well as to stop the problem. SO having Office 2003 Pro and OpenOffice.org on the same computer. Works well. I use OOo 96% to 99% of the time. The only thing I see is MS Office 2003 takes a lot of drive space on a 80 gig laptop drive. Oh Well. . . . . long winded . . . . . .but true-ish? TL in New York, USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] PowerPoint text problem - shadowed text
I was given a PowerPoint presentation that has a colored text that has a built in shadow. No built in the font, but in the presentation. When I view it in MS PP, then the shadowed text looks correct. Whe I view it in Impress, then there is no shadowed text and the text is just plain bad looking. I am to add to this presentation and use it for a auto repeating information presentation. I got the repeating working ok, BUT it is the shadowed text that was created in PP that needs to be kept. I will run it in PP for the display, but since Impress is faster to load and run, I would rather convert it to Impress. So the decorated text that the original presentation, written by one of the heads of the organization that the display is for. So the original visuals need to be saved. .. ... . Can any one help? Can we save the shadowed text? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OpenOffice issues with MS Office on same machine
From: James Knott web at work wrote: I need to have MS Office 2003/Pro on my laptop for some of the people I deal with, since they will not switch to OOo. I also have OOo 2.4 installed on the same laptop. There are not real issues with having both on the same computer. The only problem I have found is when you have the MS update run on the computer, if it involved with Office, then it may try to change the file assignments. I have .doc and such defaulted to OpenOffice.org, but after the MS updates, the software tries to switch it back. I have WinPatrol (Scotty dog icon) on my laptop so it warns me of the wanted change, and I refuse the changes. That works well as to stop the problem. SO having Office 2003 Pro and OpenOffice.org on the same computer. Works well. I use OOo 96% to 99% of the time. It's easy enough to change the default back to OO, by following these directions. Changing file associations Right click on file icon Select Open With Choose Program... Check Always use the selected program to open this kind of file and choose the desired application. If that method is not available, follow the directions listed here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307859 I have had so much trouble with what MS states is so simple. The last time I fell for it, I had to reformat the drive fix the major ^##%%*((* error. I like it when a non-MS software will stop MS from changing things to their own way. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OpenOffice issues with MS Office on same machine
On 08/04/2008 18:51, web at work wrote: From: James Knott web at work wrote: I need to have MS Office 2003/Pro on my laptop for some of the people I deal with, since they will not switch to OOo. I also have OOo 2.4 installed on the same laptop. There are not real issues with having both on the same computer. The only problem I have found is when you have the MS update run on the computer, if it involved with Office, then it may try to change the file assignments. I have .doc and such defaulted to OpenOffice.org, but after the MS updates, the software tries to switch it back. I have WinPatrol (Scotty dog icon) on my laptop so it warns me of the wanted change, and I refuse the changes. That works well as to stop the problem. SO having Office 2003 Pro and OpenOffice.org on the same computer. Works well. I use OOo 96% to 99% of the time. It's easy enough to change the default back to OO, by following these directions. Changing file associations Right click on file icon Select Open With Choose Program... Check Always use the selected program to open this kind of file and choose the desired application. If that method is not available, follow the directions listed here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307859 I have had so much trouble with what MS states is so simple. The last time I fell for it, I had to reformat the drive fix the major ^##%%*((* error. I like it when a non-MS software will stop MS from changing things to their own way. Ah, but this isn't MS stating it's so simple. This is an illustrious member of the OOo users' support group stating it. So ... ;-) -- Harold Fuchs London, England I know what is what, but anything that involves MS's OS is not simple Harold is a great help on this list. MS tends to make everything complex that should be simple. I wonder how simple MS's newest OS, Microsoft 7 is? They are taking a lot of underlying code out of Vista to make #7. Well that is another fine mess that MS has/will get us into. Thanks Harold. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Mail merge - started from another thread
Web said I wonder how simple MS's newest OS, Microsoft 7 is? They are taking a lot of underlying code out of Vista to make #7. Well that is another fine mess that MS has/will get us into. Jim Said.. Please! It is not only Microsoft who on occasion overcomplicates. Try the mail merge wizard in OpenOffice.org that does nothing useful and actually complicates the task of mail merging by sticking in an intermediate layer which corresponds to almost no-one’s actual address specifications. Fortunately you can mail merge excellently in OpenOffice.org Writer without every using it. It is one of the most worthless things I’ve seen in any application. Unfortuanately newbies wiil assume, wrongly, that the Wizard will make things easier and will try using it. Try the Mule on Emacs, an attempt to use old, out-of-date code pages instead of using Unicode; and it did a far worse job than Microsoft Word did back when Microsoft Word was using multiple code pages. I am tired of both Nix weenies and MS weenies who both seem to have missed hearing about the pot calling the kettle black. Jim Allan I have always hated mail merge, since Word 95 days. I do not remember how to do it, and one day will need to re-learn how to do it. I know it is bad of me but I have forgot almost everything that is not part of what I do on a monthly basis. Some people know that I had a stroke last year, so I just do what I need to do, spelling/grammar errors and all. One day I will have the ambition to re-learn how to do all of the stuff I use to do in the past. Oh well . . . . Just like the PowerPoint/Impress conversion problem in the thread I started for it. from:: Web at Work. . . . although I do not work for pay anymore. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Compatability Issues with Office 2007 Documents
Thanks for the added info to my statement MS is not . . . . and will not . . . . lets hope we will not be forced to . . . . . bleep - Original Message - From: jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [users] Compatability Issues with Office 2007 Documents On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:43 PM, web at work wrote: If you have kept up with the MS ISO stuff, you may have read something about MS may not support their own creation of their ISO standard format. May not? How about will not? One factor that the ISO seems to be overlooking, is that there is no referemnce implementation of OOXML, as currently defined in the 7,500 page specifications that are the proposed standard. (When going thru ECMA, roughly 1,500 pages were added, to address various technical failures and issues in the original 6.000 page specification. ) The same with the .docx format Didn't they already announce that they were dropping that for the release of MSO on Apple? And the release after that for windows would be compatible with what was released for Apple. xan jonathon -- OOo can not correct for incompetence in creating documents from MSO. Furthermore,OOo can not compensate for the defective and flawed security measures used by Microsoft. As such, before using this product for exams that require faulty and defective software, ensure that you will not be unjustly penalized for the incompetence of the organization that requires the use of software that is known to be flawed, defective, bug-ridden, and fails to meet ISO file format standards. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] PowerPoint text problem - shadowed text - more info
additional info about this problem. The text that is the problem was created using the PP's word art options. Impress seems not to like word art text. Any help? - Original Message - From: web at work To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: [users] PowerPoint text problem - shadowed text I was given a PowerPoint presentation that has a colored text that has a built in shadow. No built in the font, but in the presentation. When I view it in MS PP, then the shadowed text looks correct. Whe I view it in Impress, then there is no shadowed text and the text is just plain bad looking. I am to add to this presentation and use it for a auto repeating information presentation. I got the repeating working ok, BUT it is the shadowed text that was created in PP that needs to be kept. I will run it in PP for the display, but since Impress is faster to load and run, I would rather convert it to Impress. So the decorated text that the original presentation, written by one of the heads of the organization that the display is for. So the original visuals need to be saved. .. ... . Can any one help? Can we save the shadowed text? -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OT: ebay rules for digital listing changed (no more selling OOo downloads)
I wonder how much it would cost to do what is stated below? The only time I sell a CD with OOo on it, is when I have it full of software and must cover the CD costs, plus any profit going to a local charity - stated so on CD. Selling OOo for $49 for just a prepacked CD, with no support to speak of, is not proper. It use to be a policy that eBay would not sell repackaged free software. This was a few years ago. So now OOo is now listed as a free-type software? Good. Was it not long ago someone did that and listed this email list as their official support solution? - Original Message - From: mike scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [users] OT: ebay rules for digital listing changed (no more selling OOo downloads) On 3 Apr 2008 at 16:07, Dotan Cohen wrote: I won't elaborate, read it here: http://www.ebaychatter.com/the_chatter/2008/03/digital-downloa.html I think your subject is over-optimistic - afaics this just restricts the way it would be sold to be Classified Ads format (http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200803241300132.html) Do I misunderstand? I've wondered lately about keeping an ad on ebay for an OOo cd - not to sell it particularly (although useful to some perhaps), but rather to say explicitly that it can be obtained for nothing from the website. -- Permission for this mail to be processed by any third party in connection with marketing or advertising purposes is hereby explicitly denied. http://www.scottsonline.org.uk lists incoming sites blocked because of spam [EMAIL PROTECTED]Mike Scott, Harlow, Essex, England - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1357 - Release Date: 4/3/2008 10:48 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1357 - Release Date: 4/3/2008 10:48 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Scrolling
Never heard of the throw or a two-way icon BUT I have a laptop with a touchpad and there is a section on the right that has an up arrow. Then below it small lines cut into the pad down the site. Then a down arrow. that is my scroll system instead of using a wheel on a mouse. I have not bought a mouse for the laptop, yet. Maybe later. From: Robert Goulding have laptop w/touchpad, don't understand throw. right hand side of touchpad just haas cursor like anywhere else. I have a tiny wheel mouse I bought and can try but to make the touchpad work would be the trick. thank you. - Original Message - From: Harold Fuchs On 03/04/2008, Harold Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/04/2008 17:14, Robert Goulding wrote: hands off auto-scroll, so Ican read my e-books without having to advance by clicking Sorry I wasn't clearer Hmmm. On my Windows XP Pro tower system with OOo 2.3 auto-scroll works just like with any other program; press the mouse wheel to bring up the symbol of the 2-way icon* and then move the cursor down a bit. Auto-scrolling starts. The further the cursor is below the 2-way icon the faster the scroll. Substitute up and above for down and below to auto-scroll in the opposite direction. Click the left mouse button to stop the scroll; move the cursor up/down to change the speed of the scroll. I can't achieve this effect on my laptop because the touch pad doesn't support it [or I haven't found out how :-( ] * I don't know what the 2-way icon is called officially. What I mean is a circle with a dot in the middle; above the dot is an upward-pointing arrowhead and below it is a downward-pointing arrowhead. What happens when you press the mouse wheel? snip Apologies for replying to my own post but I just remembered how to auto-scroll on a [properly configured] touchpad: throw pressure down the extreme right edge of the pad with a finger that's touching both the pad and the surrounding frame; the harder you throw the faster the auto-scroll. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1357 - Release Date: 4/3/2008 10:48 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1357 - Release Date: 4/3/2008 10:48 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] About Microsoft: OOXML wins ISO approval, and other thoughts...
Below is an interesting comment. I would like to ask this question; who will pay for the marketing plan that is suggested? The Open Source concept is not geared to make money. Who will start collecting money to pay for a mass marketing plan that could get the message out there like MS does. Do you know how much a typical multimedia ad campaign costs? Do you know how much MS spends to get people to use their products, even if it does not do what is needed? Do you know how much money MS put into the campaign to get people to upgrade their out of date Office 2003/etc. to Office 2007? OpenOffice.org is free, so who is going to collect money for it and use it for paying for the advertisements and other things MS uses to get their message across? The OOo web site states that version 1 had over 49 million downloads in two years. Version 2 came out in October 2005. How many downloads has version 2 racked up since then? Then tell me how many dollars did OOo spend to get people to download version 1? Zero, since it is Open Source and it is free. How many people would have bought a paid version of an Office suite in those two years if there was no paid advertisements? Not 49 million, most likely not even one million. If you get so many people to download an Office suite without money spent to get them to do so, THEN there must be something good about the suite. OOo does not have the money that MS has, or even the other top 100 software companies. It has no money at all, yet the message is getting across and more and more people/governments/countries are using this no advertisement Office suite. We all can speculate what if OOo had the money to buy the market share for its software, but it is only a dream. OOo is free and MS is doing everything (legal and illegal) they can to get their customers to keep buying their products and not to switch to pen source software. Yet more and more copies of OOo are being used. OOo user number is growing without paying for a single advertisement. I think that is one of the big things that scare MS's marketing people. Word of mouth for OOo is all that is needed for it to grow. Not counting the people on this list helping support the product FOR FREE. Try getting free support from MS. That is my - long winded - opinion. - Original Message - From: Per [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: [users] About Microsoft: OOXML wins ISO approval, and other thoughts... Congrats to Microsoft who got there suite ISO-certified If the vote was dirty, well it´s not up to me to investigate but there are a lot of voices on this mail-list against OOXML, and Microsoft ad there products in common.. the reasons ?? a big hate to Microsoft, and Windows, an IE, and Ballmer, and Gates, that the OS is costing money, the Office-suite is costing money, /(as an example, Adobes products cost a whole lot of money to, but I don´t hear any comment about that fact)/ and. etc, etc I asume that all of these voices never had there fingers on a machine with Windows or MS-DOS, that they never wrote a letter in the BAD Microsoft Word, or made a spreadsheet in Excel.. or maybe they have done this... ;-) I´m on Win XP, running OO.o, MS Office XP, I have used MS Office since -93. I think it´s a good suite (for my needs) AND so are OO.o. I´m looking at Ubuntu, but so far it´s only looks I giving that OS... If Linux is so much better than Windows, why isn´t everybody switching? If OO.o is so much better than MS Office suite, why isn´t everybody switshing?? I mean, zero bucks, to a lot of bucks for MS products.. So it can´t be the price.. so what is it then ??? I thing the answer is marketing, marketing and marketing Most common citizens on the planet, plain people, runs a machine with a version of Windows, legal or not... they run perhaps, MS Works, any MS Office-suite, legal or not. If the goal is to get many users that is running OO.o, there must be a massive marketing, ads and so on. Lift up the good stuff about OO.o, not that it is ISO-certified etc, and ALL that other techical-mumbojumbo.. it´s only scares the regular user, ´cause there are a lot of users out there with just a little bit of a knowledge about computers, trying to learn more about to handle a computer, and burping up techical crap... Nah, they don´t get impressed... they don´t give a s**t about that fact.. Why you should use OpenOffice.org ??? Try to find som many answers to that question to the person you trying to convince that OO.o is a good substitute to Microsofts product. And please, do it without the tinfoilhat-look in your face... :-D And don´t forget... if anyone has paid for his/hers Windows and MS Office... why should they switch?? ´Cause it´s only suckers that run MS-products?? Let them run there paid-for products, but point out the good stuff about OO.o. Trying to getting in to the business-world is harder...
Re: [users] YOUR PROGRAM IS LOUSY AND USELESS -- Oh Really????
- Original Message - From: Steven P. Ulrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [users] YOUR PROGRAM IS LOUSY AND USELESS -- Oh Really On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:35:10 -0400 web at work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. DOWNLOAD TIME TAKES 10 MINUTES 2. FAILURE AFTER LONG DOWNLOAD TO START 3. LOSE A FUTURE CUROMER DUE TO EXTREMELY DISIPOINTING LACK OF PERFORMANCE AND EXECUTION BY YOUR INEPT PRODUCT!! 4. NIM RECOMMENDING TO ALL MY FRIENDS TO STAY AWAY FROM YOUR FLAWED PRODUCT Hello, This is the user's list so the program does not belong to any of the people here. But anyway, thanks for sharing your views... can you remind me when you were asked to do it and tell us what exactly we are supposed to do with your precious piece of advice? If you don't like OOo you are by no means forced to use it. Cheers, Michele Took over 1 hour when I downloaded it last week, but the system was slow since everyone was getting 2.4 then. 10 minutes for that size of file is great, and I would bet you could not get is downloaded from any place else for less time. Hello, Everyone :) I just downloaded all 159.9MB of OOo_DEV300_m5_LinuxX86_install_en-US_rpm.tar.gz in about 3 minutes and 33 seconds: Mon Mar 31 19:01:41 CDT 2008 Mon Mar 31 18:58:08 CDT 2008 I have caught the ftp site that I use at even speedier times. The download fluctuated from about 400K/s to about 1.2M/s. I do remember days gone by when it would take all night for me to download OpenOffice.org on dialup. Steven P. Ulrick Web here: When I downloaded the Windows version the other day, I think everyone was doing the same. I use Broadband (5 meg or more), so I will get the best speeds if the site is not being hit too hard. I was not agreeing with the lousy complaint, but just stating that there could be come other trouble in the speeds of the download. I may not have said it clearly. I remember the dialup days - 14.4 modems back then and 1.2 meg files. I rejoiced when I got the new 56k versions. Now I will be hard put to go back to dialup for all of the large files I download each month - and no not youtube or other videos. I still have to use Windows, since I must support people who use programs that have not/will not be ported to Linux. Even in retirement due to a stroke, I can never retire to these people. They need help and count on me. When I do get my next laptop (Vista - %$^^%%), I will convert my old one to Linux and be happy. I am an avid supporter of OpenOffice.org's software and the Open Source movement. I cannot support a business practice that used strong-arm policies against their own customers. That is what Microsoft seems to be doing these days. Open Source is a people/users firat movement. If the people do not like what the software is doing, there is a way for it to be changed, even if you are not a programmer. MS and other big companies are known to feel that their product is perfect and it is the people who are wrong. MS would not be fighting so hard to make ODF and OOo look as bad as possible and do everything they can to discredit anyone and everyone who think that ODF and software like OOo is the way to go in the industry. If we are so bad, why are they fighting so hard? If we are so bad, why are they doing things in Europe with the standard process that could/will get the in trouble with the EU governments? As the news gets out about all that is being done and people compare their proposial and the current ISO side by side, who do you think will look bad? Not OOo and ODF. Read the two articles below. The step by step memo from MS is real interesting in both content and their wording. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2008032913190768 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071023002351958 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:38 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] YOUR PROGRAM IS LOUSY AND USELESS
- Original Message - From: Pat Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [users] YOUR PROGRAM IS LOUSY AND USELESS -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A 10 minute download is long?? Aside from whether OO is a good product or not, this person needs a spell checker. This is why I will never do customer support. You guys are saints. - -- if the above comment was from Web...me I suffer from a stroke, so my grammer may be not up to everyones standards, not even mine. Those who I support knows that my speach is effected and still want my help. I may be alittle sensitive on this subject, since I was told I could no longer work after the stroke. Now I work with a large local organization that supports adults with disabilities, since they cannot afford to pay anyone. They are much worse off than I am, but they keep trying to function in a society that sees them or hears them, and calls them RETARDS and worthless. Since not one of them are that word, and several have college degrees, including one with a master's degree, this is not proper. Of course - spell checker is not a grammer checker. If it is spelled correctly . . . . . -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:38 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] YOUR PROGRAM IS LOUSY AND USELESS -- Oh Really????
1. DOWNLOAD TIME TAKES 10 MINUTES 2. FAILURE AFTER LONG DOWNLOAD TO START 3. LOSE A FUTURE CUROMER DUE TO EXTREMELY DISIPOINTING LACK OF PERFORMANCE AND EXECUTION BY YOUR INEPT PRODUCT!! 4. NIM RECOMMENDING TO ALL MY FRIENDS TO STAY AWAY FROM YOUR FLAWED PRODUCT Hello, This is the user's list so the program does not belong to any of the people here. But anyway, thanks for sharing your views... can you remind me when you were asked to do it and tell us what exactly we are supposed to do with your precious piece of advice? If you don't like OOo you are by no means forced to use it. Cheers, Michele Took over 1 hour when I downloaded it last week, but the system was slow since everyone was getting 2.4 then. 10 minutes for that size of file is great, and I would bet you could not get is downloaded from any place else for less time. Future customer - - Is he/she selling the software? Or did he/she recomend it site un seen? I have never done that. And never will. I wonder what he/she wanted in a product if OOo have a lack of performance? It is not bloated as MS's office stuff with computer resources and it is much easier to use and find the needed options that MS as well. Execution? I can load a Word Document faster in OOo than in Word, plus edit and save. NIM? I wonder if he/she, Nim, would say that if he/she actually used OOo. === NOW for me, I have used OOo since it was in its early versions, when it did not use ODF and was much less featured. I have always told friends, co-workers, and clients, to try OOo instead of paying for the next version of MS Office. Does it seem to you that there are some interesting spellings in the complaint? English not first language? That is OK. Or is it a person who is not acting their age, or maybe they are. No disrespect to anyone, but there is something really wrong with that complaint. And that is my opinion -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1352 - Release Date: 3/31/2008 10:13 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] When did OOo 2.4 come out?-- PLUS online extention system failing
From: Cameron Smith Well the New OOo website is now a day old and the OOo release of 2.4 is a shorter than that. A new Web site hand in hand with a new OOo version. There the absolute latest and your one of the first to use both in mint condition. Cameron On 28/03/2008, web at work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at the new OOo web site, and lo and behold, there was a version 2.4 listed for OpenOffice.org. I have been using 2.3.1 since it came out, but for some reason I never saw listed on this list the fact that 2.4 was out. As I write this, I am downloading 2.4 and am eager to install the newest version. Well my brain never connected the fact that there were questions about version 2.4, when my version was 2.3.1. Silly me. I downloaded yeterday before I was off to the hospital for day surgery. I am back now and I will install it today. By the way Do anyone know why I kept getting time out errors when I try accessing the individual extentions pages from the menu pages? I could not load any of the pades so I could download an try the ones I did not have. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Publishing from Open Office
Hello Writer of books OpenOffice.org can save your files in Word, but that is the end process. You wanted to use OOo for writing books, etc. Ever hear of Piers Anthony? He writes 4-5 books a year and he used OpenOffice.org on Linux to write them. He gave up Word a long time ago and has been using OOo since it came out, so his Author's notes and e-newsletter states. I do not know about other authors who use OOo, but he does and he is very picky on what he uses. He has even writen many macos to help do specific things that make his creativity and editing flow better. Being over 70 and writer of over 100 books (so I have been told), he know his stuff. He would not use it if it was not the best software for him. It has been years since I heard anything about Quark and I do not know who owns that software any more. Give OOo a try. Look into the Macos that have been listed online. ALWAYS us the Autorecovery options in the Load/Save Options section. Find and contact the many Print on Demand companies and see what they want. DO NOT sign up with any of them untill you have read Piers Anthony's articles about these companies (publishing on the web at hipiers.com ) Good luck with your efforts. - Original Message - From: Linda Camp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: [users] Publishing from Open Office Hello... I am a writer and I'd like to know if Open Office is right for me. I send my books in manuscript (document) form to publishers for editing and publishing. If you're familiar with the publishing world, then you know that editors must be able to make changes to the documents they receive before they are published as books. Does Open Office do everything that, for instance. Microsoft Word does? A lot of editors use Word or Quark and require that authors use a specified software when sending their work in for publication. I would like to use Open Office if editors and publishing houses can work with the result. Thank you,Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] save pdf file as a wordfile
From: James Knott M. de Haas wrote: Hello, Is there a possibility to save a pdf file as a word file so you can make changes in the file? No. no not in OpenOffice.org I discussed this in another thread, but you can do only one thing easly. Cut/Paste the document in a PDF Reader and then use OOo to edited and reformat it. Then export it out to a PDF. I think I remember that version 3.0 may have some importing abilities for PDF, but that does not help now. Of course if you have any money to throw at the problem, you could always buy a version of Acrobat Pro. I have version 6.0 of that. The latest version is very slow on my AMD Athlon with 1.5 gig RAM and 2.0+ gig cpu speed. Plus it requires over 1 gig of drive space and most of the stuff most people will never need. I hope you have some luck. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] version 2.4
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following on 3/27/2008 4:19 AM: I should like to download the new version, but find I am unable to do so without tangling with p2p technology, which my computer does not appear to run and I do not wish to tangle with. I can do without a new load of technical and security problems. Is there anywhere I can download the software in the usual way, which has never caused me any problem atall?? Tom Tom, You don't need p2p if you download from here: http://download.openoffice.org/index.html -- Jack Yesterday the site ran slow, since everyone wanted to download it at the same time. If you continue to have trouble, contact me off list and I could upload it to my default domains and you could download it from there. AND for those who say only download it from OOo's web site or its mirrors, I would have loved to download it from a mirror, but that page is either buried somewhere or it was lost in the move to the new web site. I do have an older version online for co-workers to access, but not the latest one as of yet. As I said, if all of the normal ways fail you, you could try my site. So contact me off this list and we will see. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] save pdf file as a wordfile
Sexy Lena? well that is a strange name for a web site for help with PDF stuff. to each his/her own. . . . . http://sexy-lena.com/EN/?id=371424 On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could probably find a pdf to word converter on the inet. Here`s one http://www.investintech.com/prod_a2d.htm And another http://www.verypdf.com/pdf2word/index.html - Original Message - From: James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@openoffice.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [users] save pdf file as a wordfile M. de Haas wrote: Hello, Is there a possibility to save a pdf file as a word file so you can make changes in the file? No. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] version 2.4
web at work wrote the following on 3/28/2008 10:11 AM: AND for those who say only download it from OOo's web site or its mirrors, I would have loved to download it from a mirror, but that page is either buried somewhere or it was lost in the move to the new web site. Since I was CC'd on this, I assume you must have been referring to me. I don't believe I said to ONLY download it from OOo's website. I merely pointed out that he wouldn't need p2p if he downloaded from there. I do not remember CC'ing you, but it could have happened. . . . . -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] When did OOo 2.4 come out?
I was looking at the new OOo web site, and lo and behold, there was a version 2.4 listed for OpenOffice.org. I have been using 2.3.1 since it came out, but for some reason I never saw listed on this list the fact that 2.4 was out. As I write this, I am downloading 2.4 and am eager to install the newest version. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1346 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 10:03 AM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
