If anyone on the list does bookings for Motor or has the schedule of events
in advance.
Please contact me off the list.
Peace,
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I guess I must be speaking another language.
no one called Atkins a racist as if any black person could ever be.
no, you spoke english, but you messed it up bad. (I hope you dont mean
the above)
I keep meaning to leave this thread alone but you post something like this
and I find myself
www.motordetroit.com has an events calander.
I hope this helps.
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Non-Sequitar.
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wow is this what I reduced you to?
bravo on the brief display of education.
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Non-Sequitar.
LMAO.
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wow is this what I reduced you to?
bravo on the
I think the point that Keleigh was trying to make is that you cannot use
such crude tools as an objective reference in an argument. I think she was
fairly clear about why you should not use such an easily manipulated and
unbalanced survey to say that one person has more mindshare than another.
All the clouds turn to words
All the words float in sequence
No one knows what they mean
Everyone just ignores them...
Current Playlist 03.02.02
Hour One:
Marco Passarani-Deep Orbit(Sexy Adventures Of...) Pure Sonik
Dimension 5-Network (Alien Artform) Delsin
Splinterfaction-Doin' It With A
Never ever trust any polls. Trust me! I am yet to see one with any
credibility and I was actualy witness to one that wanted to reschuffle the
list to put someone 'big' on top when the outcome pointed to an underground
Detroit DJ as number one (the rock editor wanted and expected Fatboy Slim,
and
Hello,
It is a bit off topic, but this is an interesting web page. It is a listing
for all the national radio stations Clear Channel Communications owns
according to market and call letters.
http://www.cjr.org/owners/clearchannel.asp
Here is a list of the stations that they own in Michigan:
Anyone know if Mood II Swing has ever recorded anything with Blaze??
That'd be a killer combo!:)
Laters,
m*
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dont you fools
know that the music knows no color?
This is a lovely idealistic thought but you really can't isolate music in
some kind of poetic vacuum. The music is a product of a certain cultural,
social and economic hegemony and the circumstances determine whether it is
heard or not and
I guess I approach this from standpoint of worldside music
I just dont see a big racial element in techno.
I've seen every kind and color of person at clubs and parties and everyone
is cool with each other.
I also have limited from a production/live show standpoint, and I think the
whole scene
the music itself is about inclusivity. that's why I love it; we all can get
together.
it is the politics behind the mass dissemination of the music that's ugly.
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Part of my post got deleted by accident but I meant to say that I have
covered urban music (RB/hip-hop) AND techno/house for almost a decade and I
have some incredible stories to tell of racism in the biz -I have the
insider's advantage.
Eg - in the mid 90s I would get interviews with big names
Hi there buddy,
I wonder if u wouldn't mind answering a few simple questions:
Do you like Techno?
Do you like Detroit Techno/Music In general?
Do you like Juan Atkins?
Thanks a lot in anticipation - and have a great day.
Kind regards,
Ken
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Yes I have been reading all this bullshit about what I said or didn't say in
my interview with xlr8r. Let's keep in mind that:
1) I did not go into xlr8r and hold a gun to the editor's head and make them
interview me or put me on the cover, contrary to the haters (Poivrenoir,
Yussel, Jayson B)
Hi Juan
I am from the UK and I have been watching this back and forth quarrell
between everyone and I have to say I am amazed and a little upset.
Is everyone just into slagging everyone off on this 313? I cannot
believe the amount of people that like to put people down
and like to say who's
i dont the point being raised was 'which dj is the best' it was to do with
which was the most well known, i would agree that carl cox certainly has a
hugely higher profile than hawtin in the uk.
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every kind of music played by a black musician includes a black message
my favorite is we are going to create something they can't steal because
they can't play it monk during the evolution of bop
This list doesn´t even come to the point to reflect it in the
Is it me or has it gone a little quiet? Oh well, must be just a lull. Great
minds never rest!
By the way Jayson B, my good man, I've yet to get answers to those little
questions. Surely, no, it can't mean that if perhaps the answer is 'No' to
most or all of the questions, you might be happier
i dont the point being raised was 'which dj is the best' it was to do with
which was the most well known, i would agree that carl cox certainly has a
hugely higher profile than hawtin in the uk.
this one is gone from one way to another, from racial problems to who is
better dj, and who is
I just wanted to make a few side remarks about your view on the situation
here in Europe. I once did an interview with Jeff Mills where he explained
why he affoids spinnin' in the UK: too much trouble with racist customs
officers when entering the country. he even swore he would never spin there
give your body - random xs
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Subject: Re: [313] acid (house)
imo acid trax
prototype 909 was a classic acid group.
taylor deupree from 12k was one of the members and you maybe be able to
still order p-909 CDs and records from them.
www.12k.com
-Joe
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I love it when @tkins puts all those punk mutha f---rs in check
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It's weird it must be that time of the millenium.
I've run across the same topic on a few messageboards recently - people
in the techno scene, as well as people in the house scene discussing
Acid House. A few are organizing old school acid house parties, because
of the outcry. I'll even be
Although i have no clue where you're going with this list of pointless
questions, i'll still reply. I hate it when people dismiss my posts as
nonsense and ignore what i'm saying, so i won't do that to you, although its
still a waste of my time.
Do you like Techno?
Of course. I adore
the music debate
it needed a change in the way of talking bout it
it´s GOOD many people EXPLODED
many offending statements and many answers too
if we can use it in a productive way
I believe now MANY opinions are based on THIS FEELING:
WE DON´T WANT TO BE SEPERATED
- the main pattern
WE
i think we are getting away from acid house (phuture, etc.) and into acid
here a la old school djax stuff... when the stuff got really 303 heavy in a
different way than the beginning.
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Great to hear from you Jayson - been awaiting your reply, all day. Hope your
day is going well.
Whilst the questions are offered light-heartedly (and I hope you also noted,
with studied courtesy) there is a serious intent, from the point of view of
techno lovers on this list.
It's simply nice to
on 7/3/02 3:41 pm, Odeluga, Ken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I seem to remember that you're famous around here too, for your 'stupid
nigger' remark.
the same way lauryn is famous for her brit-faggots remark. oh, but sorry,
that was some kind of geographical communication bullshit that us
I see everyones still at it...
anyone got anything interesting to say?
Anyopne looking forwward to LOST this month?
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Subject: Re: [313] Regarding
For me, the point of this debate was never, is Juan Atkins a good artist.
The debate was what makes an artist deserving of attention on a mass media
scale.
The disappointing thing is, i don't think anyone's opinion was swayed in
either direction throughout this entire thread. no one learned a
We had the pleasure of seeing Derrick play close up in a small irish pub in
Cambridge last night. 3 hour set, the place was at capacity by 10:30. What can
I say, that guy is so in control of the music he plays it's unbelieveable. What
a talent. What a talent. What a talent.
It's so rare to see
We learnt that some folks are incapable of empathy, but I guess we knew that
already.
Why can't we just be happy Juan got a cover story - that's wonderful.
Change of topic - anyone know anything about a re-release of Inner City's
Big Fun? There is a mix CD on the current Muzik, Singapore Tribal,
aha someone talking sense!
Yep I agree , Derrick has a great way with record choice!
I am jealous and it sound as if you were spoilt. Derrick Carter in a pub!
who said it was all about playing to thousands of people, good on ya man!
you luck person!
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For me, the point of this debate was never, is Juan Atkins a good
artist.
The debate was what makes an artist deserving of attention on a
mass media
scale.
about this, a think that one of the main points is the oportunity
some people have more then others to comunicate. i'm pretty sure that
Right-said-phred!..part deux
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Pouvrenoir:
You have your opinion. But there is plenty in what you say that should
be challenged. Oakenfold may speak to
A bit of respite from my beans and toast odyssey here. Vinyl Junkies was my
Phaeacia, and this was the most notable treasure I left with:
Joakim Cotton Gun EP (FR Versatile) - Kirk DeGiorgio remix on the flip is
a techno outing a bit like the recent Nairobi, i.e. gorgeous bass probably
from his
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the same way lauryn is famous for her brit-faggots remark. oh, but sorry,
that was some kind of geographical communication bullshit that us british
faggots should really take into consideration, shouldn't we? i mean, that's
the way REAL techno lovers talk, isn't it?
give him a break
Racism is a system of insitutionalized discrimination against one group by
another.
Under this system in America white skin and whiteness is accorded certain
priveiliges.
It comes from a historical precedent set by North American chattel slavery
where whites owned so called black people.
The
imo acid trax wasnt that great of a song. it merely
opened the door to a new sub genre
I think it was all 707 and 303 too. very amenic.
I Know you can't argue about taste but when Acid Tracks was released
this was a kick-ass record. Something new, something i never heard
before. I know
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| imo acid trax wasnt that great of a song. it merely
| opened the door to a new sub genre
|
| I think it was all 707 and 303 too. very amenic.
|
| I Know you can't argue about
pick up prototype 909: acid technology and listen to track 3, entitled
prototype
16 minute analog ogry
-Joe
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man.. it really sounds strange all this talking of you guys about the
skin of people.. i dont know what that english protestant preachers
talked to you 500 years ago, but it must have been freaky.. i wish i
could help you to stop considering those kind of particularitys
betwen people. i dont know
I wish we did live in colorblind world like that. that's why I love house and
techno; it unites people on the dancefloor.
Tamara Harris
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:) A little humbling lesson to everyone :)
Thank you, Juan
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Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:46 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
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Yes I have been reading all this bullshit about what I said or
i dont know what that english protestant preachers
talked to you 500 years ago,
English? Where? Just kidding ;)
If this isn't an attempt to bring RELIGION as well as RACE into the debate, I
don't know what is...
TJ
www.wireframerecords.com
www.mp313.com
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|
| imo acid trax wasnt that great of a song. it merely
| opened the door to a new sub genre
|
| I think it was all 707 and 303 too. very amenic.
|
| I Know you can't argue about
*I have been a fan of Detroit Techno since I heard
Cosmic Car as a kid listening to the radio and Mojo.*
WHOA!
I reckon it's not quite as boastworthy as scoring some rareass 12 for 50
cents, but I finally hunter-gathered a copy of Mojo's book, The Mental Machine.
Haven't really jumped into it
jenn without the -ifer will do an electronic ska intro at a show at the attic
in hamtramck on monday march 11.
lineup for show
boys night out (ex-grade, from canada)
first grade crush (emo ish ska from chicago)
fordirelifesake (screamy hardcore from detroit)
rhinoplast (detroit funky ska)
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Ms Harris speaking on institutionalized oppression, liking juan atkins and
listening to mojo on the radio...how spooky is this?
*freaked*
-k
Racism is a system of insitutionalized discrimination against one group by
another.
Under this system in America white skin and whiteness is accorded
I'm going to change the subject now to suit my needs :)
in case anyone cares, I have a track up at from a recent show (pardon my
lack of webpage for the record company site, I dont have time right now with
school and all.)
its a little rough but let me know what you think
link doesn't work??
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I'm going to change the subject now to suit my needs :)
in case anyone cares, I have a track up at from a
Yeah but we'd run all the red lights :)
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grr
the damn email client split the link up.
I renamed the track for downloads sake:
http://www.emmrecords.com/teh_fux/truncate%20my%20link%20baby.mp3
Thanks for listening!
-Joe
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www.makeashorterlink.com
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, :P wrote:
grr
the damn email client split the link up.
I renamed the track for downloads sake:
http://www.emmrecords.com/teh_fux/truncate%20my%20link%20baby.mp3
Thanks for listening!
-Joe
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you rock.
thanks
-Joe
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www.makeashorterlink.com
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, :P wrote:
Does this exist? If not, I now have a complete Daniel Wang collection :)
Thanks to Hedonzim for supplying the represses...
Cheers,
Tom
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| emot 007 - future beat alliance - head ways (march 2002)
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It's simply nice to hear you say you actually like Detroit techno and for
that matter, techno after your unfavourable comments on the same.
I_have_never_once_made_negative_comments_about_techno. Not one single time.
I have made comments about people who find themselves to be techno elite,
Further, I'd say they're inexcusable really. However, I wondered how those
offensive remarks of Ms Gavoor, invalidated the other stuff Laura Gavoor
said. Still have yet to get a cogent non-insulting, non inflammatory
response that actually answers that question.
Hi ken! i'm so very glad
Why not take this stuff off the list, do I need to read this?
That's a rhetorical question.
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I think its time for a group hug.
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Sorry if you got this twice.
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The disappointing thing is, i don't think
Can you all say back-pedal.
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Yes I have been reading all this bullshit about what I said or didn't say
in my interview with xlr8r
I'm glad to see that you're reading all this. it amazes me sometimes how
many high profile people are on this list and actively reading it.
I'll still continue to speak my mind on you or
You have the ability to pracically walk into any club in the world and
tell THEM that you're spinning that night, for the mere fact that you are
juan atkins.
That's assuming a lot. I do hope you were exaggerating.
MEK
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PLEASE MAKE IT STOP. PLEASE.
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Cc:
3)Since when did a coupla new jack playa haters (Poivrenoir,Yussel,
Jayson B,etc.) become the authority on this list as to who is in or out
of touch with Detroit ?
I wonder if Juan really get's all these 313 posts or if someone just tells him
when people are talking about him? It
Well...his points ARE valid onesbut to a much smaller degree than most
European promoters would have you believe.
However, many US artists have reputations or streaks in their careers for
not showing, from Joey Beltram to Armand Van Helden, to Felix da Housecat,
to Paul Johnson, to the
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/01/50/cover-mathis.shtml
You can make your own inferences.
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I'm sure everyone feels your pain Giles. As it seems that there only about
5-10 people debating this issue it would be nice if they argued with each
other privately. All of us are aware that this is distribution list, but is
there really a need for us to be spectators to this verbal accident of
This gave me the chuckles for awhile:
(quoting Juan):
I'd have to say that I'm affected by it (trance) and somewhat disappointed.
I don't play much trance music. Fact is, trance -- it has no life, no soul.
It's almost like marching music. There's nothing to it.
Dennis
To me this reads exactly like the XLR8R article only with the questions
changed...
I just re-read the XLR8R article and the quotes are the same...
Maybe that's because they were written by the same person... Duh
At 01:42 PM 3/7/2002 -0600, Vince Woolums wrote:
Please do take it off the list... It was interesting to read for the first
couple of days but now it's just clogging up my mail.
At 02:43 PM 3/7/2002 -0500, Alexandres Lugo wrote:
I'm sure everyone feels your pain Giles. As it seems that there only about
5-10 people debating this issue it
I'm sure everyone feels your pain Giles. As it seems that there only about
5-10 people debating this issue it would be nice if they argued with
each other privately.
you're totally right. the next time 5-10 discuss a track id for a week
please remind yourselves to respond privately.
track IDs are on topic
race relations and how atkins wipes his ass is not.
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Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:05 PM
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I'm sure everyone feels your pain Giles. As it seems
why are you whining to the list?
oh poor me, I am black or poor me Im a woman or poor me, Im white (im sure
the order in which I listed those will have some of you all excited. go
ahead and hit reply to all and let me have it.)
how about getting away from the computer and DOING SOMETHING ABOUT
Derrick played in los angeles for both halloween and new years.. His set
halloween was good but another derrick (may) stole the show new years eve.
:)
on 3/7/02 8:01 AM, Ian Cheshire at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
aha someone talking sense!
Yep I agree , Derrick has a great way with record
Wholeheartedly Agreed!
My personal apologies/thanks for everyone's patience in enduring my flagrant
bandwidth filibusters and any offensive language. You were right to
check... However...it is ONLY through debate that one can really ever know
another (or something like that...famous quote)
track IDs are on topic
race relations and how atkins wipes his ass is not.
and as i'm sure other people will point out, race relations IN techno and
juan atkins are more on topic than discussing aril's latest release.
but i guess that's a matter of opinion then yes? If some people on
how come 313 doesnt throw a party?
I'm sure a few of us would play (for free)
and what better way to drool about tracks than to spin them and absorb?
I would do a live PA of coarse, not being a DJ
-Joe
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and as i'm sure other people will point out, race relations IN techno and
actually, I'm pretty sure everyone would point out that they are sick of
hearing from you and I.
I'm on their side. I digress
-Joe
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I think we simply need a VERY good party so's we can ALL shut up and dance!
Yeeeayy!!!
But wait ,who would Dj? -another long winded debate forms... :)
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I think that's a great idea of this years DEMF. Wish I could be there.
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we should do it.
anyone else motivated to work it out?
-Joe
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how come 313
I could. Gotta convince my wife that doing a free show would be a good
thing, though.
:)
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we
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I wish we did live in colorblind world like that.
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Yeah but we'd run all the red lights :)
So I guess you're saying Detroit is colorblind! ;-)
(love those signs downtown that say The Light is RED for a reason!)
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why the artists cant be payed? u mean that a detroit techno in
Detroit wouldnt work out?
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2. I'll offer free graphic design services ( have a look at my fliers at
http://www.redlightproductions.com )
3. Make sure to plan it on a day that doesn't for example, cross over the same
timeframe as say, Kenny Dixon and Larry Heard playing at the Trackmode party,
or the 7th city
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who's setting this party up ?
please contact me privately
Thanks !
Nelson Fernandez
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*** this week's specials
- Sven Vaeth (cocoon) tonight at Tresor
- Chris Korda (gigolo rec.) Saturday night at Ostgut
- Detroit Special Sat night at WMF (last week in this location!)
Todd Sines (Planet E/7Th City/Perlon/Force Tracks, Detroit)
Charles Noel (Good Lookin', Creation
we had a pre-demf party in windsor for 313ers and mp313ers last year at
amsterdam and everyone had a great time. i can look into this venue again
this this. let me know what everyone thinks and i'll see if the venue is
available.
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