could all of you please come back to the topic: Eminem :)
nah serious -
did enjoy lots of postings last days -
nice balance
and was fine to see the elitism-thing reflected
no complaints and nothing sensefull to add
just some props for the postings
best best
out again
was just thinking - ok, dance music - got this one
but what about so called: intelligent dance music ? ;)
are we supposed to be extra-intelligent while dancing ?
- and what about - house music, surf music, smurf music,
underground music, industrial music ...
ask yourself what makes us think
we should put favourite artists into any kind of hierarchy ?
reflect the routines
Ian Cheshire wrote:
Yep lets have a 313 Top DJ..
ok so where do we start and who wants to compile it?
I say, let's just have a top (whatever, 30? 50?) of DJs from
attention online-listeners -
awesome Mike Grant-shows on
http://www.Tigersushi.com
check out the last one - deep
everywhere in Europe a movement took shape, only to make way,
years later, for house, techno, MTV and mobile phones.
And judging from the
enthusiasm the kids of today are lapping up these past nuggets with, the
original, pioneering dark pop of yesteryear still transmits its true
message:
I only use Kraftwerk-Headphones
they are built into my Darth Vader Helmet
but don´t ask me about them - very very exclusive
by the way: I found out for djing in a club it´s good
to switch off the lightsabre (otherwise you might hurt yourself
also people might think you´re into some kind of
Agreed the mixmag one left something to be desired... Maybe start your work
here: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm
I learnt something from there now, I didn´t know before:
IDM means intelligent dance music ?
:O :o :/ :) ;) :D ;D ,D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
things (good not so good), but it's still seems
*the* place for wide appreciation of electronic music. Would you agree
Neontsetse?
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@Hyperreal.Org
anyone also got this one here :):
Hallo,
Ik ben met verlof tot vrijdag 20 september. Ik zal uw mailtje dus pas op
maandag 23 september kunnen lezen. Voor dringende zaken kan je wel terecht
op de jeugddienst: [EMAIL PROTECTED] of 09/381.95.20.
Groetjes,
Bart
seems like an automatic reply thing
I think he´s on holidays or something ...
(can´t understand belgian)
and it´s going on list as an automatic reply -
also interesting: some mails just came as html-letters
... techno techno techno
Yeah Ive nee getting crazy dutch/flemmish emails from this guy all week -
Ive tried
nd stop bypassing my mail filters, please! My inbox cannae cope.
also must be an error in the 313-letter-system
maybe some kind of independence day is near ?
... it all started in my inbox ... one day I was watching telly
and suddenly I hear this strange noise coming from my computer ...
too long they were everywhere! The next thing I knew, MTV
was playing Minimal Nation and the old lady next door was chased into her
garden by a holographic Blake Baxter! That was the day I knew it had all
gone wrong...
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ohem, just learned that too by some private posts
sorry for not knowing
thanks for educating
best
to my understanding there is no language called belgian, so my guess is
nobody else understands it either... :)
p.s. in belgium most people speak either dutch or french. other languages
many major artists sign contracts where they give away too much
control about their art -
they do this for money (needed or greeded ?),
for bigger possibilities in production and for fame ...
- but - they give away the control for money -
many simulate they didn´t - (the big art of
Drexciya´s work sent out so many energys
and they reached so many of us
the energys were transmitted
the music, creativity, thoughts and ideas are alive,
because they will keep working inside of us in many forms
... wonderful art by a wonderful artist
thank you Mr. James Drexciya Stinson
N's represent numbers. the print is so god-damn awful that i can't say
what numbers they are. many look like 3 8's :)
perhaps it was released two years after it was made?
however, it was way back :D
m
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ooops - Tom was faster -
but I forgot to highlight this one hot mix on Nuwaveradio.co.uk :
Techno Special by Biz-E (Recorded 02 Aug 2002):
01 R-Tyme ³Illusion²
02 Suburban Knights ³Worlds²
03 Armando ³Worlds Unknown²
04 Blake Baxter ³Brave New World²
05 Blake Baxter ³When We Used
damnit - sorry again
too early 4 me to get down
it´s Lawrence Burdon -
on Groovetech -
... and one mo that keeps our lil office bumpin:
Lenny Burdon on Groovetech.com
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why you better don´t hear to much about it:
kraftwerk - computerworld:
Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard
Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard
Business, Numbers, Money, People
Business, Numbers, Money, People
Computer World
Computer World
Interpol and Deutsche Bank,
wicked :D:
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-James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus
support requested! URGENT
(This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html)
From: James Newton
I'm not looking to stir up controversy - just want to see who makes the
list(s).
Please keep this a fun discussion (argue off list).
damnit
waz up, mike ?
waz wron wif u ?
waz wron wif a lil controvery ? (is that from eminem ?)
r u scared ?
was just thinking of Djanes reading Ellen Alien -
did like the short set and selection of Hannah at the DEMF 2000 a lot
that was very soulfull - wind parade etc..
together with moodyman I liked this the most -
(though - I was only checking it via real-stream :()
I think it´s still out there
it´s not all about the ears -
freequenzys are also there to vibrate in your body -
that doesn´t work over the headphone -
high frequenzys land on the top of your head
lower ones will make your booty swing - etc..
this is what helps people dance -
one aspect, why it´s not only about listening
to the rest of the 313-plague-clique
- and all you detroit-techno-fans and international music lovers
shoutz
m
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dammit we've set Neontsetse off again now...
:)
robin...
it´s not all about the ears -
freequenzys are also there to vibrate in your body -
that doesn´t
thanx a lot -
(and still thankfull and greedy 4 mo infos
after hearing the coming end2end)
m
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Words from the man himself :
I never saw a piece of electronic gear that I didn't want to take
apart. That's what sparked my interest in electronic music. The music of
Kraftwerk and
good morning :)
... any biography, interviews, links bout Marty Bonds out there ?
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email for him.
Please?
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http://www.nuwaveradio.co.uk/
nu-era eclectic 80ies show comin up this friday
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- Cluster on tigersushi-records -
the man behind the big tigersushi-archive-page is Joakim - France
(he got some nice records out - cotton gun - on versatile 4 example
it sounds a lil as if he was using some simular references
as Metro Area, Luomo ... seemed to be including into their work
thanks for the info bout URB
50/50 quote is very positive to me and gives hope -
There are a lot of people who want to sit around, smoke dope, not return
phone calls and not work in the studio who think race is the reason they are
not blowing up. I do not care what color your skin is, your
what´s the problem with negativity ?
when things are neative, they are
trying to avoid it - don´t make them better
this is about culture - negativity is a part of it -
so it´s good to keep a focus on things like this one too
don´t get me wrong - I don´t need to enter the subject again now
the music debate
it needed a change in the way of talking bout it
it´s GOOD many people EXPLODED
many offending statements and many answers too
if we can use it in a productive way
I believe now MANY opinions are based on THIS FEELING:
WE DON´T WANT TO BE SEPERATED
- the main pattern
WE
I have a cheap robot-dog-toy called TEKKNO
looks ok, but you shouldn´t switch it on
the sounds are not techno they are like neo wave plastic
(quadro spacing rules :D)
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For
.. this is leading a bit somewher else
but Alex Ayuli, one of the People who did
M.A.R.R.S. pump up the volume
and part of the Duo AR.Kane has got a label called
DREAMPOP http://www.dreampop.com
and dreams are a main subject in his work
hey list.
just curious if anyone out there might
listen, would like to go easy
but I don´t know the deepest motivation,
and it ain´t the first time you did mention Juan Atkins
the way this forward goes - IS disrespectfull -too far gone
I was told to hold back with my assumptions
I will, but some things are almost getting surreal
and the vast
The fact that they don't do it for techno... *shrug*... Their loss. It
gives us the chance to do it our way. And the fact that we've succeeded
so far pretty much without them... it pisses them off to no end. I like
:)
Otto
yeah, keep em behind -
all the hard working independent labels
Ja Rule feat Ashanti is kickin
and got some those fine techno-strings-and-fx...
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...hm, don´t know how many years ago it was
when you heard mo wax - electro ? :D
some of last years electro basics 4 me were:
chaos - afrogermanic ? UR
of course Mr. Keith Tucker, Black Electric, - Puzzlebox, direct beat,
Delsin ...
and overgalactical crazy deep electro stuff by
electro-germs -
yeah I´m down with lots of Rother stuff
and I did like having sex with the machines -
- the record of course :)
then from around this area - Rhein-Main-Delta - Deltatronix -
there´s Redagain P - also done some serious stuff -
http://www.starschnitt.com
got some sounfiles
BDP - lol for black dog -
but BDP was big b4 black dog :D
(oh what about the relation between big black, äh no, meaning black flag,
Mojo and Detroit ? - did this cross with techno back in the dayz ? - and how
?
was there a deeper idea of movement and what was it, if )
anyway, I also
just -
pick up the flow
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Thers a sunglass party scene in Nottingham??? Man, I'm there :)
Seriously though, is it just me or does this guy know how to avoid any
kind of
cohesive point to his posts?
I'm beginning to think it might all be a well thought out wind-up
Jason
that sunglasses at night party was also listing - Mantronix ?
They´ve been a mix of housyness, rap, electro etc...
and hey don´t you 4-get I´ll house you - hip house
or were most of you only into ebm and new wave at that time ? :D
another question would be -
Detroit-techno influences on
race has been talked into the fuggin ground as well, because yes it is a
very essential and important subject. i'm not sure what is being argued
here. actually, i see nothing being said at all, aside from some quotes
from
mainstream hiphop.. yes there is racism inherent in all societies
You don#8217;t have to be an academic to know that the civil-rights
movement of the 1950s and #8217;60s is one of the most deeply complicated
chapters in American history. Likewise, you need only a passing knowledge
of
this chapter to know that black music provided a crucial ROLE blocked by
Tristan, thanx and respect,
but sorry again I got some more edits about it and sorry again this
is becoming another long one including my style of writing :/
- after you said the amount of race-debates would be much higher then
Theo-debates
I just made a check with 3127 of the 313-postings
Tristan, thanx and respect,
but sorry again I got some more edits about it and sorry again this
is becoming another long one including my style of writing :/
- after you said the amount of race-debates would be much higher then
Theo-debates
I just made a check with 3127 of the 313-postings
Is that the reason you mis-spelt his first name throughout your post? The
thing is, many unprincipled journalists have made a dark artform out of
taking the comments of those whom they interview provocatively twisting
their words to suit an agenda. Usually, that agenda is to stir s**t up
I'm hoping someone will invent a button that says Ignore completely
because the Delete function just doesn't quite seem to cover this drivel
what is it ? it´s no subject ? but YOU telling me about Theo Parrishs record
and you wouldn´t like to buy it - that is something that needs to be said
great 2 get 2 know you people
shoutz 2 all coming a lil closer -
serious -
but I already have another 1 coming in -
are there any of you on www.deephousepage.com ?
there is a very direct race debate in a Kenny Dixon-thread
over 260 posts and it´s paralell to some debates here -
let me
brian wilson and the beach boys, beatless, kraftwerk etc...
big music with an own signature in sound, composition, artistic meaning -
done by some special muscians and there are many more out there
yes artists of all colours - would never deny that -
but still they also live and lived in
I thought the list would mainly be about 313-techno and not techno in
general mainly,
but ok, so you complained about a missing techno-chat ? ?
guy called gerald also done so called techno-classics !
- 313-related kind also being friend of Mr.May -
the records I mentioned are some
...wouldn´t it be great to be able to see some funky pix now ?
1 video of each person dancing to their fave tracks around the kitchensink
in trainers -
and another 1 we´re everyone has to try to dance swing and sing along with
pet sounds :D
damn, this webthingculture still ain´t hi-tek enuff
dear list-people,
thanx 4 sending me many comments of-list -
some positive but many mails saying they don´t understand
my english:) or the purpose cauze of the amount of thoughts -
What I was trying to say and I said that many times be4,
that I think, it´s important to reflect the
Where was there even a hint of Drum n Bass mentioned in the post?
If you want to talk about Drum Bass ,,,maybe you should talk
about Drum Bass on a Drum bass forum not a 313 forum..
Is anyone in agreement or have I misread his email?
mentioning 4hero - them from the paralell
1 inbetween -
1 shorty - bout Identity -
the culture is a construction based on the things we got planted inside :D
and the things we choose ourself..
the idea of a nation is the most negative methaphysical construction I can
think off -
but it is a methapysical idea that became reality
and 1 mo -
'Why do UR call themselves soldiers?'
Don't know, Is it part of a marketing ploy?
I always thought they trod a fine-line between truths and stories which
help their image.
What do other people think??
What do they communicate with this ?
Even if it would be inside of a
need 2 add this -
I never wanted 2 speak with the words of others and instrumentalize them 4
my own sight
if this happens or happened I am sorry and tell me
but I do see that the way it´s treated here is also instrmentalizing
sometimes,
by not talking about the things that are there -
-
1 mo shorty as I see some crosslink 4 them not knowing the Dollis Hill
history -
claude young done some great remix for jacobs optical stairway (4hero)
- solar feelings - r+s
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I like this idea bout getting a kind of picture of you people here .
and I´ll do it 2 - though the web is very dangerous nowadays
and we even got people on the list snapping profiles 4 business !
and after some comments we surely also got some other official friends
scanning :D
but bla ---
Swayzak are typical Ewoks
sorry, but some strong vibe tells me this needs to be said :D
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Swayzak - they are not Ewoks ?
I thought they would be from London - Ewokland -
I´m very sorry (Scottish people ain´t no Ewkos)
and though some friend just sent me whip the Ewoks
I´m gonna stop the joking now,
as there also was some serious thought behind this silly stuff -
let me xplain
Dear ladys,
would you mind not making this posting only look ridiculous ?
would you mind pointing out the things you don´t agree with ?
would you mind showing up your own thoughts ?
What I was doing was showing up some complicated stuff -
also including some deep feelings
It´s not easy
music is so much more -
communication and projections
much of 313-music is full of things to talk about
but it should happen a much higher level then only comments about taste -
incl. some respect 4 the musicians beeing judged by others -
so much more then any other people get
This is barely comprehensible. Sorry.
what do you mean by that ?
- the grammar and stuff ? - pffr
or you got the meaning and you complain about that ?
you could complain a bit more detailed then -
- oh and robin - about the bla-man thing
hm listen - I would love to shut up and just
if it wasn't for us trendy brits techno would've died many years ago...
hm, so you would also say that the introduction of the Ewoks in star wars 3
was important ?
and house would still be seen as a gay thing
hm - well my first house experience was in a kind of a gay club and that was
Tell him. It's bizarre when some people effectively want to close
themselves
off from all outside influences ... there lies danger - in fact of course,
we're already experiencing the consequences of that. Sad.
everybody who is checking the music history a lil bit knows that too -
and it´s
Ok, any of the Ewoks from over there, got the real story of WARP ?
How it was founded and why Robert Gordon (also Engineer 4 many important
tracks
in the beginning) did leave, or did have to leave ?
I never did see it in any Feature - I know there´s another story there
so what do you
öhem - sory - just getting quite many letters just now bout this -
and serious answers coming up later ...
in the meantime ...
thanks to all the Ewoks and the EwoksnotEwoks and the Nu-Ewoks,
the Not-Ewoks keeping it real and unreal on 313
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i'm sure if it was your home town
with details of something new, you'd
have a different perspective.
sorry,
but you don´t get me, do you ?
I´m just having a very good laugh -
look, much of the stuff in the selection is great and
no word against Nottingham - respect 4
btw, imho it seems like Mills writes his sleevenotes in German or perhaps
French and then uses Babelfish to translate them into English. anyone
else
think this is likely?
Maybe that´s the reason why I do understand it :D
but more serious also to Stephen -
(with most respect 4 your
And yes -
I could need someone correcting my mails - grammar and more :D
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Mills made some great art many people here posting on the list
would never ever !!! been able to make,.
One reason why they couldn´t make it,
is that they always do know what things should be like.
Why shouldn´t Jeff Mills write down the things he wants to be connected to
his music
in
what´s the problem ?
interesting thoughts - written in a simple understandable way -
don´t know if someone else would write down those thoughts -
language will be moving along and the advanced definitions of how people
should communicate - seperating the classes will be gone tommorow
so
shoutz out
to those who are able to speak out the bitter words
and send their scandalous thoughts without fear
into the private-mailbox-space of the sweeties on 313
hey sweeties - your getting chewed up again :D
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any chance we can stop this now?
no - here´s another one filling up your e-mail-account :D
Think about it. Keep adding -1 to 100 and before long it is zero or even
less!
yeah calculating - that´s interesting -
now, let´s say your lucky and still have all
32 teeth in your mouth -
only if they're gold teefs. that'd be even funkier than having 32 white
teeth.
should be, as long as no one wants to grab them
serious - öhem -
why should some people not say what they think here,
as long as it´s Detroit related and it´s an individual statement
built on some
As for info about Slovenia, the link Diana posted is quite good... We're
small.. we have just 2 million citizens, but we also have a HUGE techno
scene... Hey.. remember.. Umek is slovenian too! :)
It´s nice to hear and read about some not so often mentioned area
and I am interested in your
yeah -
kept wachin the list -
like very much of the latest discussions -
The only thing I may disagree with is people insulting others. We all
have
different opinions and perspectives. Let's keep it that way and try not
to
impose our beliefs on others and trying to make people feel
okay. someone asked why so many people are on rich's nut sack. i
replied with some pretty generic reasons in effort to spark a debate
(and what a debate it is!) and now i'm spewing 'dumb ideas' and being
compared to hitler.
NO - I wasn´t saying that at all - (and I didn´t name
I found the notes on his webpage particularly amusing. It is funny how
someone can denounce the event, while at the same time have a vending
booth
at the event raking in the $$$.
I ´m not really into Mr Hawtins sound (from what I´ve heard)
I still would like to say that this point is
DEMF-NEWS - THEY DON`T MOVE YOU ?
I´m really horrified by the missing reactions
and actions by many of you people on this list !
how slow - how weak - how passive can you go ?
YOU ARE LIVING DEAD - COCKY SPEAKERS
CYNICAL CONSUMERS - IGNORANT RECORD DEALERS
ELITIST WRITERS - ARROGANT
good luck stopping a million and a half people from coming
would only need you and some artists to say NO - in case
but what if those who had planet E Tshirts wore them
say on Saturday or Sunday..
I think wearing t-shirts is too harmless to impress anyone
just an idea-it's not meant to
Well, that's all good in theory, but the problem with
turning something popular, is that they don't need us
anymore.
private
this is not about religionz
but - don´t you stop believing
even if we can´t move nothing in the end
to try it is the only thing we always can do
believing -
totally disagree with you on this front. this song is about the opression
of african americans over the centuries and the ability to change the
future
by changing yourself.
I know it´s not mainly about nature -
though it´s about the nature of change
I know the source ayers/kuti as well
as long as the artist is down with Mercedes
get down with Mercedes ? f+++ off
If Mercedes Benz comes to me and wants to license a track for
$10,000;
wow 10:000 $ for being a funky chicken in the world-wide-WAR-business
stop denying the responsability, it´s your´s
Mercedes doesn´t
so, in respect to on topic (and others on the
list...back to the music please.
good trick ;)
talking like a babysitter
diana potts for planet1 ...
... but music can be political and much of detroit-music is political.
It´s interesting you now call your headline no more political crap
a
and personal attacks should be made private.
Yes, you´re right ... sorry diana
yes much of detroit's music IS
politically oriented, but what tracks can you name that are totally
parallel
to the nature of the discussion? i can't name any.
BUSH - FORD - OIL - quick xamples - here we go:
Dear people
would like to laugh with you - but why is that one so funny ?
this joke is comparing black culture with farmer culture -
- is that the joke about it ?
- thanks,
it ´s based on an old kind of joke-structure,
creating a scurrile situation mixed with situations in real
Someone once said good artists borrow, great artists steal.
this statement about stealing ...
whoever made and used it ...
it´s a dirty business world´s slogan...
good to have subversive people
bringing some fresh ideas like this on the list -
-
the list - isn´t it called 313 for a certain
RE: White boy stole gospel samples and makes mockery of oppression. This
is
a load of crap, with all the makings of bad religous overtones and racism
galore.
white boy is a white man
-
stop denying the problems of racism on this planet,
calling the statement racism galore -
It´s a
Suburban Knight - There's No Way Out (Of The Groove) - Techno City
Records 1989
Stephen.
yeah it´s one of my alltime-faves ...
BUT AGAIN: Let´s also talk about some of the other contents beside
label-numbers transported with the music...
politix, words, moods, artwork ..
I believe ;)
view about the group as a whole...meaning, you (figuratively or course)
make
distinctions and exceptions for those you consider having some extra worth
because they make good music, then you proceed to extract the parts of the
music that do it for you...
...
you're killing us! i mean hey if
Moby was the subject for some time now:
I wrote a message, which wouldn´t get on the list,
maybe cauze I was using some radical statements without explanation ?
I wrote that he was stealing from black music,
being white making weak music...
and I blamed myself for beeing white .
Well I didn´t
A forwarded message includinf reasons to leave mp3.com
(also 313-artists ;)) written by the www.tokydawn.org:
mp3.com changed their policies some days ago.
Membership in the 'premium artist service' is now required to
be able to take part in the 'payback for playback' (p4p) program.
The
CHANGE (again;))
some people got it already - now rearranged for 313:
I know it´s including some personal s***...
still - think about it or even better talk/mail about it ...
... break it apart, or hook up on this for some collective moves...
life and music-life can be more then
Dear Fixer,
don´t know what other people on this list do think,
but for me his charts do make sense in this List...
as many people here post their advertising-stuff
new mp3´s etc..
Some do write fanmails about people
who take it fake it and break it.
What they do play at nortroute does make
hello,
could someone tell me, where I can order or buy the
black electric 12 - puzzlebox 05 ?
It ain´t available in shops around here !
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