On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Dennis DeSantis wrote:
I absolutely agree. The sonic art is always the most important. It's
just that in the context of a live performance it's not the only parameter.
umm well then what your saying is that its not all that important and that
showman ship is more
Yep, there is a certain magic that happens when there is genuine creative
tension with talented people. You just can't program or totally plan for
that, imho.
A couple of examples come to mind: Mathew Jonson at Yel2 during Movement -
nothing fancy, a laptop other machines setup on a table. a
I don't think the discussion is getting hostile. Folks are just sharing
their opinions, and that's why I love this list.
I know Neil - we hung out in Montreal when I was touring in the spring.
We're all cool :)
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
Gavin Daruvalla wrote:
Dennis, this
or a laptop have
the dynamics of a drumkit.
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From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 June 2004 11:40
To: Gavin Daruvalla
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
I don't think the discussion is getting hostile. Folks are just
Toby Frith wrote:
It seems there is a desperate requirement in this whole debate for authenticity. As if
the performer actually has to show the audience hey I am playing live, honest!. How can
you really do this when so much of the equipment is automated?
You're absolutely right, and what
i think what is confusing this discussion is that on one hand we're
talking about digital djs and the other digital live acts.
typically a live act has a 'set' that they perform. so a band is not
that much different to a live laptop performer in that they are both
prescriptive in the way
just play the music :)
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From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 25/06/2004 12:12
To: Toby Frith
Cc: Dennis DeSantis; Gavin Daruvalla; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
to the textural music that he makes. Any
comments?
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From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 June 2004 12:06
To: Toby Frith
Cc: Gavin Daruvalla; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Toby Frith wrote:
It seems there is a desperate
but of course we are dennis, I still hope to have a laptop head to head
wit you when I tour europe this comming fall its the folks like gavin who
take things to seriously... chill out gavin... its all about the
communication the discourse...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Dennis DeSantis wrote:
I
but of course we are dennis, I still hope to have a laptop head to head
wit you when I tour europe this comming fall its the folks like gavin who
take things to seriously... chill out gavin... its all about the
communication the discourse...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Dennis DeSantis wrote:
I
So I've been having a bit of a discussion on a local messageboard about
laptop performances.
By and large, they're really BORING. It looks like people are checking
their email. Or, if they're bopping along, it looks like they're
checking important email but really need to go to the toilet.
not again!
solution is to play so impressive musik, noone thinks about show
otherwise, bring your dancers team to the stage.
..
/z99
it was 24.06.2004 when u've been going like this -=
:: So I've been having a bit of a discussion on a local messageboard about
:: laptop performances.
it's interesting but a lot of laptop performers just don't have that
flair that the best dj's (and live performers for that matter) have.
an example of what i'm talking about is BMG's performance on the
+31/313 stage at Movement. his music was amazing but you can tell he
isn't a dj (which
Name some laptop performances you've seen that
were really good SHOWS. And say why they were. Is it really simply a
case of having stellar visuals as well, or is there a whole new paradigm
out there for this type of performance?
Richard Devine a few years ago in Glasgow. He rocked the entire
I actually thought akufen was pretty good at sonar last year till his
computer broke down.
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From: Glenn McClements [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 June 2004 10:23
To: Simon Hindle
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Name some laptop
Don't we go here every couple of months...
But if you want names...
Surgeon/Female/Regis/Guy Called Gerald/Claude Young/Paula
Temple/Kraftwerk/Throbbing Gristle/Coil and so on...
Stop looking at the DJ and focus on what comes out of the speakers and we
are all laughing at Kraftwerk being called
On 24 Jun 2004, at 10:53, Gavin Daruvalla wrote:
I use only my laptop, and as for flair, well, surely the flair comes
on the mixer not on the decks? Unless your fackin Q-Bert or summit
just see someone like DJ Bone or Derrick May for what I mean by flair.
it's having that performers
Yeah i agree, it's funny because i heard and had the same discussion years ago
when the first 'all electronics' acts went on stage. People claiming that it
just didn't look right, just some nerds pushing buttons, it just looked boring
looking at people with just synths, drumcomputers samplers
Just my personal preference here, but I don't really care what they're
doing on stage or what tools they're using. All that matters to me is the
music they create.
It's about the ears and not the eyes. If the music isn't good then no
amount of visual stimulation is going to change that. At that
On Jun 24, 2004, at 4:23 AM, Glenn McClements wrote:
Conversely Plaid were on just before and looked utterly bored behind
their laptops, which was a pretty dull experience for everyone, even
though they had fantastic visuals.
I think that visuals is part of the solution. The music needs to
.
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From: John Coleman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:02 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Just my personal preference here, but I don't really care what they're
doing on stage or what tools they're using. All that matters
f*#k man how many times is this same thread going to come up on the
list...
whats the difference between some guy looking down at this knobs on a
peice of gear or some guy djing and playing with the mixer and some guy
looking down at his knobs on a midi controller
or his screen
get over it and
, it is more of a lounge than a club,
and it is free cover, so it isn't like I'm the center of everyone's attention
per se while I'm playing.
Any suggestions on keeping it fun that you all have though, I'd be happy to
hear!
~David
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choreography. Unless you think that this music is only for the elite who don't
need visual cues, of course.
~David
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Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:01:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Hi David,
Any suggestions on keeping it fun that you all have though, I'd be
happy to hear!
I have two:
1) Drop the kick drum out and bring it back in, a lot. The kids these
days love that stuff.
2) A filter sweep ain't a filter sweep unless you make it look really
difficult. Turn
that this music is only for
the elite who don't need visual cues, of course.
~David
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Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:01:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Just my personal preference
I have two:
1) Drop the kick drum out and bring it back in, a lot. The kids these
days love that stuff.
2) A filter sweep ain't a filter sweep unless you make it look really
difficult. Turn your ENTIRE BODY into the knob, rather than just your
thumb and index finger. Knob motions should
dennis ever think about writting a for dummies volume: laptop live pa
for dummies?
Im acctually very surprised you would even half joke about what you
said...
what is this live pa in a box?
do your thing how ever you do it there is no RIGHT or WRONG
if you decide to play an mp3 rather then
Neil Wiernik wrote:
dennis ever think about writting a for dummies volume: laptop live pa
for dummies?
I suspect there'd be a limited market ;)
Im acctually very surprised you would even half joke about what you
said...
what is this live pa in a box?
No, I just meant that, for
that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes, nothing worse
then a cookie cutter live artists, electronic or other wise...
like I said befor if the music is good and can stand on its own there is
no need for gimmicks, showmanship, videos or any thing as that stuff just
takes away
3 laptops, 400 people, 1 bottle of beer - you play Tony I'll whistle mate...
Now if that isn't ENTERTAINMENT, I don't know what is...
http://www.dustclub.com/gfx/DustandSurge.JPG
Easy
Martin
www.acid-house.com
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From: Neil Wiernik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 June 2004 17:42
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes, nothing worse
then a cookie cutter live artists, electronic
:
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop
performances
06/24/04 05:38 AM
Neil Wiernik wrote:
that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes, nothing worse
then a cookie cutter live artists, electronic or other wise...
I completely agree, which is why it was offered with tounge-in-cheek. I
encourage anyone who's performing to perform their own way.
But,
You take yourself VERY seriously Neil- I hope your music and
performance lives up to your rhetoric
Jason
On 24 Jun 2004, at 17:29, Neil Wiernik wrote:
dennis ever think about writting a for dummies volume: laptop live pa
for dummies?
Im acctually very surprised you would even half joke
hahahahahahahahaha. i was thinking the same thing.
tom
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From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:58:50 +0100
You take yourself VERY seriously Neil- I hope your music and
performance lives up to your rhetoric
to the experience than just
what the peeps on the stage are doing ...
Lisa
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From: Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Neil Wiernik wrote:
that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes
, checking their email?
- jobot
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From: Glenn McClements [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:23 am
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Name some laptop performances you've seen that
were really good SHOWS. And say why they were. Is it really
Just to clarify - the most important thing for me is the music, always.
I hope I didn't suggest otherwise.
But if I'm going to be on stage, in front of people, then I try to take
it into consideration that there is, by default, also a visual parameter
to the experience that is an addition
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Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:58 am
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
it's interesting but a lot of laptop performers just don't have
that
flair that the best dj's (and live performers for that matter) have.
an example of what i'm talking about is BMG's performance on the
+31
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From: Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:27 am
Subject: (313) Laptop performances
So I've been having a bit of a discussion on a local messageboard
aboutlaptop performances.
By and large, they're really BORING. It looks like people are checking
their email
i like lisa's take on it. it's really no big deal. if the music is good
people will enjoy themselves, unless they are a crappy audience who will
stand around staring regardless of what you do.
so if you have great music, be at least somewhat satisifed, don't take it
too seriously, not
-
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:01:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Just my personal preference here, but I don't really care what they're
doing on stage or what tools they're using. All that matters to me
Placid
www.acid-house.com
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From: Neil Wiernik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 June 2004 17:42
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes, nothing worse
then a cookie cutter live
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From: Neil Wiernik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 June 2004 17:42
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes, nothing worse
then a cookie cutter live artists, electronic or other wise
@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
f*#k man how many times is this same thread going to come up on the
list...
whats the difference between some guy looking down at this knobs on a
peice of gear or some guy djing and playing with the mixer and some guy
looking down at his knobs
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop
performances
06/24/04 12:19 PM
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From: Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Neil Wiernik wrote:
that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes,
nothing worse
then a cookie cutter live artists
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From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
snip
that said, acts like ultradyne, who have the sickest music, and
have a
really great stage presence, dope costumes...they do present
something
else's loops into Ableton and sequencing everything
a week before the show. wtf are they doing up there anyway, checking their
email?
- jobot
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From: Glenn McClements [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:23 am
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
ok denis what ever you say... but honestly I would think a fellow former
20th cent music student would see how important the sonic art is over the
flashy showmanship is...
Im acctually surprised... have you lost touch with your roots?
its the sound that is to act as a representation of what the
Dennis, if I had a club-wattage PA system in my basement I would never leave my
house - meaning I'd definitely be out of work!!! ;) I'd spend more time making
music though...
~David
Dennis DeSantis wrote:
A person with a club-wattage PA system in
their basement could have an identical
next time I play out in your neck of the woods you should try what I do on
for size... or pick up a record or 2 of mine... I never put my mouth where
my money is unless I can stand behind it...
:)
how ever if your not into the kind of music I do
(basic channel/din/kompakt influnced stuff) you
well then denis from what I can tell in what your saying is that your need
for a show of flash and glamor has to do with your feeling of isolation on
stage... why dont you try to connect with your audience through yout music
try different things change up the track, add new sounds, eq things
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Neil Wiernik wrote:
well then denis from what I can tell in what your saying is that your need
for a show of flash and glamor has to do with your feeling of isolation on
stage... why dont you try to connect with your audience through yout music
try different things
under the
aliases 1-Speed Bike and Bottleskup Flenkenkenmike.
www.cstrecords.com/html/godspeed.html - www.discogs.com/artist/1-Speed_Bike
- jobot
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
for anyone
agreed, Phoenecia is definitely the most boring of the lot to watch. still
great music though...
- j
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From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
I dont know when i played a show wioth
Neil Wiernik wrote:
ok denis what ever you say... but honestly I would think a fellow former
20th cent music student would see how important the sonic art is over the
flashy showmanship is...
I absolutely agree. The sonic art is always the most important. It's
just that in the context of a
Neil Wiernik wrote:
well then denis from what I can tell in what your saying is that your need
for a show of flash and glamor has to do with your feeling of isolation on
stage... why dont you try to connect with your audience through yout music
try different things change up the track, add new
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