| -Original Message-
| From: Cyborg K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 12 February 2003 22:22
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| You have some good points, and I don't entirely disagree. I
| might want to talk about this more with you off-list.
Aaargh, no! This seems to be the only conversational strand out of all
t
d perhaps where they're headed.
Respect,
k
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>From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:31 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
>
>
>I wouldn&
tronics to this list
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From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:24:19 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a few)
i would add blaktronics to this list
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From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:24:19 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to
Cyborg K wrote:
> The song structure, as I see it, cannot
> be understood within our given historical situation outside of an
> understanding of the entire system of pop music, MTV, record labels,
stars,
> and hyper-capitalism.
Except that it's old as hell. Contemporary song structure, as a
y where it originates. But can music actually be a positive force in
the world, who knows in the end?
.dave
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From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:57 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno ra
Your "debating" tactics are all well documented here:
http://www.proft.org/tips/conv-terror.html
If you've found yourself in the situation of having to rely on something
like this to make your point, you've failed.
-- Original Message --
From: Dennis DeSantis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>First, you're advocating "innovation" and deriding "regression".
But
>then you advocate "universality" and "basic rhythm". I'd venture
to say
>that you can't have it both ways.
thats wha
Cyborg K wrote:
However, I do believe that innovation in
form is an essential aspect of all forward thinking music, whether we are
talking about a techno record, or Cecil Taylor, John Coltrane, Pierre
Boulez, Gustav Mahler, John Cage, etc. The desire to return to a
traditional song structure, t
DS> How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a few)
DS> There are lots of artists and labels that are creating wonderful
DS> evolutions of Detroit techno.
When I first joined 313 a couple years ago, most of the techno I'd
heard and collected was on the well-established,
> So, what was the last thing since Isolee that really
> shook it up for anyone?
Isolee is the man, but it baffles me somewhat why
everyone focuses on 'Beau Mot Plage' so much. He's
made loads of records that equal it, including that re-
released one 'Brazil.com'
Some other techno (broad de
l Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:04 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
"I'm talking about the techno genre whether it be Swedish
techno or Brighton techno, I'm not talking about other
On woensdag, feb 12, 2003, at 21:24 Europe/Amsterdam, Dan Sicko wrote:
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a
few) There are lots of artists and labels that are creating wonderful
evolutions of Detroit techno.
Agreed! The list is endless: Duplex, Keith Tucker, Ro
don't think I won't sing along if I hear a song I like.
I'm not any more immune to my environment than anyone else.
.dave
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From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:33 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (
313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
"I'm talking about the techno genre whether it be Swedish
techno or Brighton techno, I'm not talking about other forms
of electronic music that you would find more soulful like
Moodyman or Broken Beat."
And
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a few)
There are lots of artists and labels that are creating wonderful
evolutions of Detroit techno.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 09:04 AM, spw wrote:
you dont hear much about making techno
for the 21'st Century.
great record!
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From: "spw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
> You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
> tracks li
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From: spw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>With Innerzone Orchestra for example, I hear an older form of already
>established 20th Century music that predates techno
>incorporating live session musicians playing conventional type
acoustic
>instrum
Sorry for replying to my own post, but I had this thought:
If we could just supply decks and a mixer with each "loop" record
:P
That being said, if you are, or aspire to be a DJ, those tracks make a
lot more sense and can be quite enjoyable.
I´m starting to wonder what are these "dj-tool" labels ? or artists ?
drumcode style ? there´s quite a lot that kind of sound around but that
ain´t the only style of new techno. check for example kanzleramt.
and speaking of tool techno, me thinks Mike Ink´s Studio 1 series were
extreme tools an
Because it's far less interesting to listen to, IMHO.
The thing with Detroit techno was that you could enjoy it at the club
*and* on your own terms. I can't say the same for your so-called "DJ
Tools."
That being said, if you are, or aspire to be a DJ, those tracks make a
lot more sense and
on 2/12/03 11:32 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> This is why adult contemporary music sounds so cheesy because
> people's
>> brains go into parental mode after their sexual prime, I think
> this is what
>> you see whith artist like Carl Craig who are interested in more
> trad
that all depends on your definition of "Detroit techno," now doesn't it?
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 09:04 AM, spw wrote:
still creating
"Detroit techno"
> I would only add that AO notes that since the DEMF, Detroit won't pay
> to see the music. But it's not like it was much different before the DEMF.
I gave up on trying to see the music live. Anytime there is a big (or even
little)
techno show you end up waiting hours to get in, or you show u
-- Original Message --
From: spw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I can understand why some people mature out of techno not
>that the music is immature it's that people become more
>conservative at an old age.
i dont see why you think people become more conservative. w
From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 12 February 2003 16:09
| To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
|
|
| If you showed toady's techno to someone in the mid 90's it
| would sound more advanced, they might not like what they
|
I agree, a whole night of banging loop techno is monotonous
but the techno genre has a distinctive sound, mechanical and
futuristic in nature like Juan and D. May intended with the
early Transmat records.
I can understand why some people mature out of techno not
that the music is immature it's that
o:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 12 February 2003 15:46
| To: 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
|
|
| You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
| tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist like Dave
| Clarke who's Red series was very influential on 90's
techno.
|
|
|
interest, what is *your* definition of techno?
Brendan
| -Original Message-
| From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 12 February 2003 16:07
| To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
|
|
| on 2/12/03 10:39 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot
February 12, 2003 4:07 PM
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
on 2/12/03 10:39 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Beau Mot Plage
That's not techno, that's tech-house/ micro-house, kind of reminds me of
that old Moog record Popcorn
> > Beau Mot Plage
>
> That's not techno, that's tech-house/ micro-house, kind of reminds me of
> that old Moog record Popcorn sounds very European.
>
h ha ha hah hah hah aha ha hah aha ha haha ah a ha ah aha ahha
sorry
I'm glad this is on topic, I love talking about this kind of thing.
orative evidence but alas, I lack the musical knowledge
most of you here have.
I hope I wasn't too confusing
fab
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From: "spw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Klaas Jan Jongsma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Andrew" <[EMAIL PROTEC
If you showed toady's techno to someone in the mid 90's it
would sound more advanced, they might not like what they
hear though.
I think this was T1000's point about not enough quality
techno being released although there are other good forms of
electronic music.
on 2/12/03 10:36 AM, Brendan Nelso
on 2/12/03 10:39 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Beau Mot Plage
That's not techno, that's tech-house/ micro-house, kind of reminds me of
that old Moog record Popcorn sounds very European.
ng what it does best.
| -Original Message-
| From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 12 February 2003 16:40
| To: 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
|
|
| Yes, I agree. I'm always looking for the next Beau Mot Plage,
| or indeed Axis
| 11.
|
> Oh c'mon I'm talking about UR - Punisher ri... ri... rirrr...
> rirrr... ri... it's very repetitive techno.
the point being made here is that techno _contains_ some tracks that are
just loops, but techno also contains tunes that are dripping in feelings
other than raw energy.
techn
;313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
But the thing with good techno is that it shouldn't really endeavour to
sound a hell of a lot like music that was being made ten or fifteen
years ago, surely? Obviously a lot o
at was there in the
early days of tracks like Funky Funk Funk.
Brendan
| -Original Message-
| From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 12 February 2003 15:46
| To: 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
|
|
| You also hear the influence of repetitive Detr
> You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
> tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist like Dave
> Clarke who's Red series was very influential on 90's techno.
no shti...but what does that prove?
robin...
Oh c'mon I'm talking about UR - Punisher ri... ri... rirrr...
rirrr... ri... it's very repetitive techno.
on 2/12/03 10:30 AM, Klaas Jan Jongsma at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This is actually the most crap reply i have seen in months! Almost
> every piece of modern dance music has a m
You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist like Dave
Clarke who's Red series was very influential on 90's techno.
On woensdag, feb 12, 2003, at 16:34 Europe/Amsterdam, spw wrote:
UR Punisher was just one agressive bar looped but it sounded brilliant
on a
loud system with Jeff Mills behind the decks, this is my point about
tracky
or loop based techno being DJ Tools.
The same applies to Relief records, whe
On woensdag, feb 12, 2003, at 15:57 Europe/Amsterdam, spw wrote:
Here we go with the "soul" cliché and the accusation of
trolling.
You make it seem like all the pumping loop based techno is
crap, (try telling that to Jemm Mills, Robert Hood) I was just noting
the
similarities in early Detroit
UR Punisher was just one agressive bar looped but it sounded brilliant on a
loud system with Jeff Mills behind the decks, this is my point about tracky
or loop based techno being DJ Tools.
The same applies to Relief records, when you hear a good DJ
spinning that stuff it all makes sense.
on 2/12/0
s well. If that sound is bastardizing
techno, I think you're at fault as well...
D
-Original Message-
From: Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List;
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Subject: Re: (313) t-1000
> Hmmm. Steady on there,
> i can't believe you are comparing Derrick Mays - Wiggin
/ nude photo to
> the over produced blandness of Adam Beyer's drum code
series.
>
> or am i wrong?
The early Drumcode records were cool, and to be honest I'm
not a huge fan of Sweed techno but a lot of it has a fu
; of interest to the popularity of house and trance and the
>> older
>> (elitist) generation maturing away from techno to other
>> forms
>> of electronic music. (i.e., IDM, Larry Heard, Broken Beat,
>> Moodyman, "soulful" house, electro, ect..)
>> One of
"I'm talking about the techno genre whether it be Swedish
techno or Brighton techno, I'm not talking about other forms
of electronic music that you would find more soulful like
Moodyman or Broken Beat."
And neither am I - I'm talking about techno. Not Moodymann or whatever.
Maybe you just mentione
Nude Photo or Wiggin are much more than just "DJ Tools". You can put these
records on at home, in your lounge and listen to them as complete pieces of
music.
That's the difference IMHO.
> How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday, Wiggin
> (one of the first techno records) or Nude Photo?
not everyone looks to techno for "soul" in the way that you
mean it. the fact that it lacks this "soul" is refreshing
to a great number of people. this list is pretty
unrealistic however, and reknowned for exactly that.
> "How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday,
Wiggin
> (one of t
From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:58 PM
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
Here we go with the "soul" cliché and the accusation of
trolling.
You make it seem like all the pumping loop based techno is
crap,
What about the "tracky" Pro-Jex sound Rob???
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From: Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 February 2003 15:37
To: Toby Frith; 313 Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
Hmmm. Steady o
hahaha...
on 2/12/03 8:57 AM, spw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jemm Mills
Here we go with the "soul" cliché and the accusation of
trolling.
You make it seem like all the pumping loop based techno is
crap, (try telling that to Jemm Mills, Robert Hood) I was just noting the
similarities in early Detroit techno
like Wiggin and the techno you hear today, you even
hear the re
; of interest to the popularity of house and trance and the
>> older
>> (elitist) generation maturing away from techno to other
>> forms
>> of electronic music. (i.e., IDM, Larry Heard, Broken Beat,
>> Moodyman, "soulful" house, electro, ect..)
>> One of
> "How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday, Wiggin
> (one of the first techno records) or Nude Photo?"
>
> That's a big can of worms you're opening there.
Too right - I thought this might even be a bit of trolling. There is a TOTAL
F*CKING DIFFERENCE between the majority of identikit '
age -
From: "spw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: 12 February 2003 14:04
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
> It's sad how a lot of people have turned their backs on
> techno.
> It really is one of the most misunderstood and hate
It's sad how a lot of people have turned their backs on
techno.
It really is one of the most misunderstood and hated
electronic music genres out there, I would attribute the lack
of interest to the popularity of house and trance and the
older
(elitist) generation maturing away from techno to other
"I dont need more toys, I need more good records to play out," Alan declares.
Word. (I'm still gonna get a FS setup soon to play around with it.)
I would only add that AO notes that since the DEMF, Detroit won't pay
to see the music. But it's not like it was much different before the DEMF.
fr
http://www.gothamgrooves.com/newsletter/feb-03/T-1000Intvw.html
Not sure if this has been posted already
www.bleep43.com
ll
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Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:33 PM
Subject: [313] T-1000 Interview.
> somehow i knew that he wasn't going to retire at the end of the year
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