Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-23 Thread stephen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic CD's of the past 25-odd years, what would they be? Well that's something to contemplate because most of the important

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-21 Thread J. S. Landau
Callin Tobin DB is not a matter of taste and not saying its good(or bad) music. The question wasn't whether Tobin is drum and bass (I'd never call him that, but I've never heard Bricolage.) His work, at least the portion I've heard from Supermodified, is an amazing example of electronic

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-21 Thread maurice jenaut
Talk Techno What do u mean by truly innovative. I think that there is nothing in between something that is innovative and something that is not. Innovative is just making changes in anything established. So i cant see why Carl Craig isn't innovative, u just have to listen

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-21 Thread Nick Walsh
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 18/09/00 16:18:38 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amon Tobin's Bricolage is a work of art. It may well be, but if you are talking in terms of jungle there is no way it could be ranked above all the true masters - Roni

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-21 Thread Nick Walsh
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Callin Tobin DB is not a matter of taste and not saying its good(or bad) music. Just that it's not within that style, or to be more precise, not part of that particular musical discussion. Bricollage is not trying to be part of the style they call db, its

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-21 Thread 111
The best stuff in jungle isn't necessarily all the big names. Remarc (Don FM, Dollar Records) was the best old skool junglist I ever heard (djing and producing) but you don't hear about the guy anymore... You mean Remarc who did some slamming tunes for Suburban Base like 6 years ago? As far as I

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-21 Thread Nick Walsh
Hi Maciek You mean Remarc who did some slamming tunes for Suburban Base like 6 years ago? As far as I know, he is making speed garage (hmmm) now... That's the guy:) He's never doing speed garage!?!?!! Dammit... And first T-Power album was indeed excellent... but I find 2nd, Waveform a

Odp: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-21 Thread 111
- Original Message - From: Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno Coincidentally, I buy all this stuff. Archive Records are wicked... Nubian Mindz stuff always has

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-20 Thread darw_n
It's a good thing you're not a reviews editor! ;) LOL!!! Yes, I am sure the artists will agree... The thing is, I really think art as a whole has been nearly killed be insistent acts of symbolic reference and foggy at best reviews. So busy are both the artists and pseudo-intellects with

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-20 Thread Jochem_Peteri
Callin Tobin DB is not a matter of taste and not saying its good(or bad) music. Just that it's not within that style, or to be more precise, not part of that particular musical discussion. Bricollage is not trying to be part of the style they call db, its far too different from stuff put out by

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-20 Thread Sarah Weiss
What do u mean by truly innovative. I think that there is nothing in between something that is innovative and something that is not. Innovative is just making changes in anything established. So i cant see why Carl Craig isn't innovative, u just have to listen to Innerzone orchestra

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-19 Thread Dave Clark
y'all think? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 8:44 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Let's Talk Techno Here's something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-19 Thread M. Todd Smith
). Morrisey rocks! todd - Original Message - From: FRED MCMURRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno I must agree with Cyclone on this one. Moby is the pop poster boy of techno. He's

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-19 Thread Richard Cranston
, R -Original Message- From: M. Todd Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2000 17:05 To: FRED MCMURRY Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno Your all missing the point, who gives a F@@k about the money and the attitude we're

Re: (313) Let's Talk Techno (Responses, Act I)

2000-09-19 Thread AeOtaku
Wow! 40+ responses. That made my day. To any artists out there, I don't mean disrespect, only stating my personal ideas about my favorite records. Don't mean to offend. I’m on the clock, here are my defenses: Re: Herbie Hancock, Bob Marley, Parliament, etc. Jazz, reggae, soul. This is a

Re: [313] Re: (313) Let's Talk Techno (Responses, Act I)

2000-09-19 Thread debonair
Talk Techno (Responses, Act I) Wow! 40+ responses. That made my day. To any artists out there, I don't mean disrespect, only stating my personal ideas about my favorite records. Don't mean to offend. I'm on the clock, here are my defenses: Re: Herbie Hancock, Bob Marley, Parliament, etc. Jazz

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-19 Thread Jongsma, K.J.
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Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-19 Thread maurice jenaut
there is no discusion about influensces and other music, i think if i listen techno all the time i go crazy, i like music i live with music, but i love techno, i know much about it and moby at the end never did somethning revolutionary like some guys from detroit or berlin or london or paris.

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-19 Thread Mrwest99
If we're gonna mention Kraftwerk, then there's no way we can avoid 'Computer World'. In my book, it sparked the whole detroit thing. Miles

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-19 Thread darw_n
For the 'techno-purists' amongst us Moby will never be real. For others who aren't so purist-like really don't care that much. I was simply waiting for that to be stated, and I apologize now for the length, this field is a passion of mine, and I enjoy testing new theories in debate...

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-19 Thread Nick Walsh
blah blah blah, why do ppl have to question it anyway? Music is music. I like minimal stuff and abstract stuff and even some commercial stuff. I listen to 4Hero and Moby and John Tejada and Geatano Parisio and Titonton Duvante and The Detroit Escalator Co and Marvin Gaye and Ennio Morricone etc

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Holly.C.MacDonald-Korth
] Let's Talk Techno 08:44 PM

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Holly.C.MacDonald-Korth
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Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Sakari Karipuro
hi, I would like to add Frontline Assembly's 'Tactical Neural Implant' - yeah, i know, it's not detroit, but it is electronic music, and very excellent cd. there's tons of sound layers mixed beautifully together.. and you should really listen to it on dolby surround system since it was mixed for

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Jan Claeyssens
- From: Sakari Karipuro [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 18 september 2000 13:56 To: Detroit Subject:Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno hi, I would like to add Frontline Assembly's 'Tactical Neural Implant' - yeah, i know, it's

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Gwendal Cobert
Shouldn't all electronic styles be represented here ? I do not see much in jungle/drum'n bass, not much in dubby stuff such as Pole ? The Plug and BC surely do not represent the whole spectrum, D'n B wise I would have put Tally Ho! rather than Plug, added Third Eye Foundation's Ghosts and Amon

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread mee-thod
Holly wrote: tapes of dr. eich have provoked years of thought in me. the music makes me think and feel and move and groove. if that is the purpose, it has been acheived with me . what exactly is your 'cause'? ahhh don't think this is the forum for MY manifesto actually ;) it's a lil too

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Jochem_Peteri
I´m completely lost here,...moby? Amon Tobin? ehhh.. and the swap, interstellar instead of of revolution for chance? very strange 154

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno + UR

2000-09-18 Thread Jochem_Peteri
essential db should b people like mark and dego, goldie, groove, or doc essential release---golden age/parallel universe/terminator not amon tobin, prob great stuff but not db. db more than just choppin up breaks...rob swift no db either UR means revolution for change b4 anything else, its

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Holly.C.MacDonald-Korth
] Let's Talk Techno AM

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Jochem_Peteri
try hidden agenda´s rmx 4 some tru uk style amen rinse out 154

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Benjamin Cuthbert (Merch)
, September 15, 2000 8:44 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Let's Talk Techno Here's something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic CD's of the past 25-odd years, what would they be? Here are my picks. I've been

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread debonair
closer to home, geographically, and mentally, try 'evil ' 12 by robbers / manshanden..guy!out.bond. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:22 AM Subject: RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno try hidden agenda´s rmx 4 some

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Gwendal Cobert
Oups, you're right, though I'd rather put his Consumed Gwendal -Original Message- From: Benjamin Cuthbert (Merch) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 5:48 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno I can't believe

Let's talk techno

2000-09-18 Thread john holmes
i think that it would be a good idea to add Richie Hawtin's Decks, EFX, 909 to that list...and probably some of his Plastikman material, and maybe even his minimal techno releases, Concept 1. Jeff Mills-Puposemaker series would also be a good candidate. just a thought, troy

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread M. Todd Smith
AM Subject: RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno I can't believe that nobody has mentioned Richie's Sheet One! Am I the only one who believe's that this should not only make the top 50, but at least the top 10 of the most important electronic albums? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread darw_n
Richie's Sheet One! Am I the only one who believe's that this should not only make the top 50, but at least the top 10 of the most important electronic albums? yeah... IMHO, consumed is a very important work, but sheet one is simply a good album, not much more... my opinion of coarse...

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Cyclone Wehner
I also agree with Gwendal, Moby's last album Play is very enlightening, not unlike Garnier's last one, it plays with a whole range of electronic styles, and reminds me of some early St. Germain. I just don't get the Moby is a pioneer argument myself. You know the story of that album, don't you?

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread FRED MCMURRY
Subject: Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:24:38 +1000 I also agree with Gwendal, Moby's last album Play is very enlightening, not unlike Garnier's last one, it plays with a whole range of electronic styles, and reminds me of some early St. Germain. I just don't get the Moby

RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-18 Thread Ryan Heard
and the your 100 top records list sucks! business and try to be more constructive. Ryan Heard -Original Message- From: FRED MCMURRY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno I must

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-17 Thread jurren baars
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innovation? Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-17 Thread Chrome3
What do u mean by truly innovative. I think that there is nothing in between something that is innovative and something that is not. Innovative is just making changes in anything established. So i cant see why Carl Craig isn't innovative, u just have to listen to Innerzone orchestra

Re: [313] innovation? Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-17 Thread Fiveorange
when you say the African-American musical tradition, what do you mean specifically?? like elements of this tradition are you referring to Surely there is nothing new under the sun and we could never pinpoint who truly innovated stuff; maybe someone else emphasized rhythm like James Brown

Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread AeOtaku
Here’s something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic CD’s of the past 25-odd years, what would they be? Here are my picks. I’ve been working on this for a while; believe me, I have considered most albums people

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread Cyclone Wehner
And yes, I do know Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson... are not on here, and I think I can defend my decisions. I certainly hope so! :)

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread Cyclone Wehner
I would also include techno artists like Missy Elliott and Timbaland - both underrated in some circles (though many an electronic producer appreciates them), and The RZA - there are tracks on Wu-Tang Forever that are so close to 'techno' it's not funny and I am amazed no producer has picked up on

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread Fiveorange
I say yes The Quest must be included :-) but I don't know Moodymann's Forevernevermore??? I want to check it out. Peace, Five

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread debonair
barriers. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: [313] Let's Talk Techno Here's something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread debonair
] Let's Talk Techno Here's something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic CD's of the past 25-odd years, what would they be? Here are my picks. I've been working on this for a while; believe me, I have considered most

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread debonair
you mentioned klf,...they who think that nailing 1 million pounds currency ] to a canvas, is art.out, bond. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: [313] Let's Talk Techno Here's something to spark

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread mee-thod
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, I do know Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Black Dog, and some others are not on here, and I think Ok, your time starts now :) I'd really like to know how you can contemplate omitting Juan Atkins from your list. I don't think people like Carl

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread Sam Karmel
--- mee-thod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I was talking abut this the other day. And it was decided that as marvellous as Carl Craig is , his music is not truly innovative. That's if we decide innovative is music that breaks boundaires, provokes thought and advances the 'cause'.

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread Cyclone Wehner
What do u mean by truly innovative. I think that there is nothing in between something that is innovative and something that is not. Innovative is just making changes in anything established. So i cant see why Carl Craig isn't innovative, u just have to listen to Innerzone orchestra

Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno

2000-09-16 Thread Stewart Fernandez
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 1:44 AM Subject: [313] Let's Talk Techno Here's something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic CD's of the past