Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Mathew Howard
It's especially bad when revolting people revolt... On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > People are revolting, but they will start to revolt... > > On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard wrote: > >> are you saying that you're not

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Jason McKemie
People are revolting, but they will start to revolt... On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard wrote: > are you saying that you're not revolting now? Makes me think of the 3 > Stooges line "I resemble that remark".. > > Oh wait. Did you mean that people will start to revolt? Hmmm

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Jason McKemie
So let's test everyone and move on with business. On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Study in Iceland (which is testing a ton more people than we are) finds > about half of those who test positive were asymptomatic. > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread James Howard
are you saying that you're not revolting now? Makes me think of the 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark".. Oh wait. Did you mean that people will start to revolt? Hmmm I thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already are.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Jones
I hope people take it seriously. Not from the viral threat, but because of what happens if they dont. The next phase of parenting is the belt. This has to be the greatest global experiment that Ill ever see in my lifetime. Once its over and the politics have stopped, the nerds will start nerding

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Bill Prince
Entire state of California is now "shelter in place". Guvna says it is a moment in time, and an effort to flatten the curve. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/california-governor-issues-statewide-order-to-stay-at-home-effective-thursday-evening.html bp On 3/19/2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
Study in Iceland (which is testing a ton more people than we are) finds about half of those who test positive were asymptomatic. https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/coronavirus-testing-iceland A small town in Italy tested everyone and found the same thing. And when they isolated the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Jason McKemie
Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to have people revolting (myself included). On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince wrote: > The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month - month > and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the

Re: [AFMUG] OT from my science teacher daughter

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Jones
Truer words were never spoken. On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 4:10 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > HA! > > nice one ;-) > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:07 PM wrote: > >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] OT from my science teacher daughter

2020-03-19 Thread Sean Heskett
HA! nice one ;-) On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:07 PM wrote: > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] OT from my science teacher daughter

2020-03-19 Thread chuck
-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Jones
im watching deblasio, I do not like this guy. He seems to not have a plan for his demands. I dont think he knows he lost his bid for potus Guys like him are making things so much worse with the incessant chicken littling. Im not sure what he thinks sending everyone to NY is going to do when theres

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Lewis Bergman
Governor of Texas shuttered every bar and restaurant for a few weeks. Take it and drive through only. On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 3:33 PM wrote: > The worse it gets, the better behaved we will be. > > *From:* castarritt . > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:15 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Bill Prince
Vaccine is at least a year away. Probably longer. bp On 3/19/2020 1:41 PM, James Howard wrote: That is the “non pharmaceutical” plan.  Once a vaccine is in place and a certain

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Bill Prince
The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month - month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to actually test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread James Howard
That is the "non pharmaceutical" plan. Once a vaccine is in place and a certain percentage are vaccinated things will start going back to normal and any subsequent deaths will clearly be seasonal flu related From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread chuck
The worse it gets, the better behaved we will be. From: castarritt . Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies Here is the long term plan:

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

2020-03-19 Thread Jason Wilson
Take a look at this to get the creative juices flowing. https://www.ispsupplies.com/RF-Armor-NPM30WM I carry one in stock pretty much at all times. Consider mounting similar with ballasts to a trailer and put up 2 sections, it will get rid of the rooftop issue. Jason Wilson Remotely Located

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to find something else. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread castarritt .
Here is the long term plan: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf TLDR: Option 1: Do nothing, and 4+ million Americans die in a few months as the healthcare system collapses. Option 2: Do some

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
Try Googling “The Coronavirus Is Here to Stay, So What Happens Next?” It seems like links from Google are often exempt from paywalls. From: AF On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 3:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

2020-03-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
That sounds like an insurance claim waiting to happen. I would be more optimistic if it was a flat roof, or if you were going to use guy wires. No way to put the 25G on the side of the building? I know you said inventory on hand, but the only way I can think of to get 10 feet above a

Re: [AFMUG] Wb Surge suppressor surface contact

2020-03-19 Thread Mathew Howard
I've soldered a ground wire onto thesis a few times, but I like Steve's approach better... much easier to change it later, or to move it to a chassis. On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:01 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Looks OK to me. > > > > I assume you want to use the modules later in a chassis, but you

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Carl Peterson
My wife subscribes to the NYT, but I don't bother to log in. Just let it start to load the story then stop it before it loads the paywall. On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:59 PM wrote: > Paywall... > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:56 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] Wb Surge suppressor surface contact

2020-03-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
Looks OK to me. I assume you want to use the modules later in a chassis, but you could just surface-solder a wire to the PCB. Just don’t get crazy with the heat and delaminate the copper foil from the glass epoxy board. I’d bet you could clean the solder off later with some solder wick

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread chuck
Paywall... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:56 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies I don’t know if this will be behind a paywall or not, but it says there will be several waves until eventually enough people have immunity or

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Jones
When it passes everyone will forget, like every other time it happens, even with the historic global response. There are going to be a huge number of booming industries created. Remote workplace was on the rise, but still niche, it will become norm (its so much cheaper) we will see what comes

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
I don’t know if this will be behind a paywall or not, but it says there will be several waves until eventually enough people have immunity or there is a virus or treatment. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-social-distancing-effect.html It says “opinion” but it’s by

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Bill Prince
The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. I don't think we can keep people bottled up for

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread chuck
Well since China in the town where this started reported no new cases, it appears it has run its course there. 4 months. One would hope we can improve on that 4 month a bit. Hopefully no longer than 4 months from the first reported case. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] Wb Surge suppressor surface contact

2020-03-19 Thread chuck
That will work or you can just solder a ground wire onto that tab. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:38 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Wb Surge suppressor surface contact If I needed some gigabit surge suppressors in a pinch and all I had on hand

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Adam Moffett
Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is? We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run it's course, or so it seems to me. I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm the

[AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Jones
Working on a possible project and limiting to inventory on hand. We may want to put some EPMP clusters on a piece of 25g on some roofs. 2 of the roofs may be problematic as they are steel commercial roof with a pitch and steel ridgecap. We have a pile of 25g sections on hand and a handful of

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Jones
I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not equate hidden numbers of magnitude Heres the logic thats completely being ignored The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would have been attributed to flu There

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Adam Moffett
There's a satellite picture of a cemetery in Iran where they dug trenches and have a pile of something white nearby.  Presumed to be a burial pit and a pile of lime.  It could be a mass grave or preparation for a mass grave.  I don't know if that's assumed or if it's a fact. On 3/19/2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Mathew Howard
I don't know that Russia's numbers are terribly inaccurate... it's really just starting to spread there now, and the numbers aren't far off what other countries reported early on, and the cases they have reported are almost all in Moscow. They also have much tighter border controls than most of

Re: [AFMUG] OT..Just because

2020-03-19 Thread Mathew Howard
Is it really ever too early? On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:20 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Fridge...too early > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 12:11 PM James Howard wrote: > >> Where is the Tecate? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Bill Prince
North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, India, Mexico. I heard something on NPR this morning about mass graves in Iran. It may be years (or never) before we understand the scope of this. bp On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Adam Moffett
They also might have the the tightest borders on the planet and a regime crazy enough to do just about anything.  They might have a big problem or none at all. On 3/19/2020 2:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that they are covering up.  Especially

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe drinking vodka instead of rubbing it on your hands prevents Covid19. From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:03 PM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies As this whole COVID-19 thing evolves, there are emerging numerous anomalies WRT cases vs

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread chuck
I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that they are covering up. Especially in the labor camps. Communal sleeping barns etc. No sanitation facilities. From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies Only if

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Bill Prince
Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty of data to indicate that deaths have been incorrectly attributed, bp On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote: the death count is the death count -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Jaime Solorza
No matter if they try to hide the numbers, once the bodies start piling up, reality will rear it's ugly head. There is empirical data from a web-based thermometer company that is tracking fevers not related to flu...they have been telling CDC about it... Hey Inept Administration , fucking do

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Jason McKemie
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:03 PM Bill Prince wrote: > As this whole COVID-19 thing evolves, there are emerging numerous > anomalies WRT cases vs population vs deaths. > > At this

Re: [AFMUG] OT..Just because

2020-03-19 Thread Jaime Solorza
Fridge...too early On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 12:11 PM James Howard wrote: > Where is the Tecate? > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:06 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT..Just

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Steven Kenney
If Chinas numbers are even 50% accurate my name is Orville Reddenbocker. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "James Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:09:09 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] OT..Just because

2020-03-19 Thread James Howard
Where is the Tecate? From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:06 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT..Just because Buen dia raza Total Control Panel

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread James Howard
Italy passed China today. The current death count in Italy is now 3405 vs 3245 in China. Italy also has 33,190 active cases vs 7263 currently active in China. The US is probably under count as far as active and resolved cases but the death count is the death count. If there were more deaths

[AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

2020-03-19 Thread Bill Prince
As this whole COVID-19 thing evolves, there are emerging numerous anomalies WRT cases vs population vs deaths. At this point, it looks like Italy (population 60 million) has the highest per capita cases and deaths (35,713 cases, 2,978 deaths). In a few days, their

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-19 Thread Adam Moffett
Come on Bill, a mechanical engineer designed this jet turbine. He must have been a real idiot.  Can't even put his plumbing in straight lines. Image result for jet turbine On 3/19/2020 1:49 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I'm a mechanical engineer, and I'm offended by that statement. bp On

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-19 Thread Bill Prince
I'm a mechanical engineer, and I'm offended by that statement. bp On 3/19/2020 10:45 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Ken's an Engineer.  He would know.  And not some dumbass mechanical engineer either, he's an electrical engineer.

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-19 Thread Adam Moffett
Ken's an Engineer.  He would know.  And not some dumbass mechanical engineer either, he's an /electrical/ engineer. On 3/19/2020 12:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote: See, I told her. She keeps blaming me for this. I'm gonna forward Ken's answer to her so she believes me. On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 8:07

Re: [AFMUG] my new source of coronavirus advice

2020-03-19 Thread Caleb Knauer
His tiny donkey is making a lot more sense now than the other braying jackass currently on TV. On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Jones
See, I told her. She keeps blaming me for this. I'm gonna forward Ken's answer to her so she believes me. On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 8:07 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Storks. The stork brings them. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:10 PM > *To:*

[AFMUG] my new source of coronavirus advice

2020-03-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
Some of the tickets we are getting I think are just longstanding WiFi issues. People are stupid and lazy and the latest situation is just shining a light on their home network deficiencies, possibly due to higher usage or more people and devices in the house. All the time I see people with

[AFMUG] OT having fun

2020-03-19 Thread chuck
Liquidated the index fund (at least I have a pending order to sell at market). Moving it all to TSLA issuming TSLA is still low once the cash settles. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
lol On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:25 AM Craig House wrote: > We haven’t seen an ANUS. (Average network usage statistics) this bad in 10 > years. To quote an old friends episode > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 19, 2020, at 09:18, Christopher Tyler > wrote: > > > > We're seeing traffic at

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks Animal Farm Session

2020-03-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Thanks! Had to take calls during some of this so I missed bits and pieces. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:37 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > Thank you > On 3/18/2020 4:29 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote: > >

Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-19 Thread Craig House
We haven’t seen an ANUS. (Average network usage statistics) this bad in 10 years. To quote an old friends episode Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2020, at 09:18, Christopher Tyler wrote: > > We're seeing traffic at about 9-10am go up considerably and then stay there > until the evening

Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-19 Thread Christopher Tyler
We're seeing traffic at about 9-10am go up considerably and then stay there until the evening rush starts, but the overall nightly peak is about the same as before. -- Christopher Tyler Senior Network Engineer MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Solutions 1091 W. Kathryn Street

Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Looks like winter break to me. [image: image.png] [image: image.png] Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:01 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Businesses with no people at the office but “the server” and “the shared >

Re: [AFMUG] dumb DFS questions

2020-03-19 Thread dave
Gotta love those guys popping up trying to out sell the 10yr veteran LOL! Been there done it twice in 15 yrs On 11/21/19 10:31 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: We mostly avoid DFS frequencies on APs because of the impact if we get false radar detects.  Also we are mostly a Cambium shop.  So I’m a bit

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
Storks. The stork brings them. From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:10 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona I'd love to hear your explanation Ken. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On

Re: [AFMUG] dumb DFS questions

2020-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Thanks. Due to it being a fairly manual process to enter the commercial weather stations into the map due to ULS complexities, the commercial weather stations are very incomplete. I've only added them as I've needed to. I'd assume that ULS is correct, but maybe not. - Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] dumb DFS questions

2020-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Yes, Military radar is the primary reason for DFS complexities. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Robert Andrews" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 2:30:05 PM