Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread George Skorup
Millennials = generation derp. Oh wait, I'm 32. Don't care, I'm not a gotdamn millennial. On 4/24/2017 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I am a Boomer. When I was young, the lazy kids were called hippies or beatniks or potheads. I was a farm kid and my dad hired hippies that were Vietnam vets.

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/24/17 14:28, Chuck McCown wrote: Very easy to make a fuse board that plugs into APC. I am looking at what it would take to add fusing to the surge protector. Not a lot of room there. I would probably have to mount the components on the back side and do a double pass through SMT placement

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread can...@believewireless.net
APC +1 Add fusing to the surge protector +100 On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Jeremy wrote: > Add fusing to the surge protector +100 > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy wrote: > >> APC form Factor +1 >> >> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:48

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Jeremy
Add fusing to the surge protector +100 On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy wrote: > APC form Factor +1 > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Nice video Gotta love the Fluke...We have to test lines, fuses, >>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Jeremy
APC form Factor +1 On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Nice video Gotta love the Fluke...We have to test lines, fuses, > relays, etc and document at office and then at site before we land wires > and afterwards..We live in the sub 2 amp world.

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
Nice video Gotta love the Fluke...We have to test lines, fuses, relays, etc and document at office and then at site before we land wires and afterwards..We live in the sub 2 amp world. Some fused terminals light up when blown, others are green when good, red when bad...Gets confusing working

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
I guess the farmers between here and Presidio are taking water for irrigation...We got irrigation on Friday Pecan, sorgum, Chile, cotton and melons mostlyDid u camp out ? Heard meteor showers were impressive... On Apr 24, 2017 4:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
OK. First I have to admit I did not read the enormous number of posts the original email elicited. Having said that and at the risk of saying exactly what someone else has already illustrated, I will boil it down to options and reasons. 1. Fire him. After two months he probably isn't going to get

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
The closest I saw was Mountain Lion poop in a shallow cavern I hiked up to. I decided it was better to leave quickly than hang around to see if I was right about what left it there. Those things are fast, jump high and far. I saw one from a boat when I was a kid. I screamed at us from a ledge

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
Yea...I think February to mid March is a much better time. The last couple of days we were there it was in the mid 80's but I think the wildflowers are more prolific a bit earlier. On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:43 PM Billy Burns wrote: > Fun trip. Went in February and did

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
Not right now it doesn't. Flood stage at the point in the river we were at was 27 feet and it was around 3 feet in some places. I saw lots of tired Kayak carriers since there wasn't enough water to paddle the whole way. On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:30 PM Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Butterfly Drop Cable

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
If you want to have them ship it in a container, ask for DDP. DDP is similar to FOB destination but FOB destination is only meaningful to Americans. DDP stands for destination duty paid. It is an “all in” amount of cost of product plus cost of shipping to your doorstep. Takes a bit less

Re: [AFMUG] Butterfly Drop Cable

2017-04-24 Thread Carl Peterson
We just got our first 10km of indoor butterfly drop fiber (not from FS) delivered and I like the feel of it and it is super easy to work with. It has blue 250um buffer which is much easier for an old guy like me to see. It works well with the cheap Chinese SOCs as well which is a plus. Air to

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I thought about having a Lissajou pattern on the oscilloscope and maybe some Theremin music playing. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:35 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection Nice lab coatYou need some of those cool props Dr. Frankenstein has in

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
Nice lab coatYou need some of those cool props Dr. Frankenstein has in background

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
Very easy to make a fuse board that plugs into APC. I am looking at what it would take to add fusing to the surge protector. Not a lot of room there. I would probably have to mount the components on the back side and do a double pass through SMT placement and reflow. It might have enough

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Carl Peterson
"Is there enough space to add some header pins to do a mezzanine/riser card kind of thing like how an Arduino does? If someone doesn't want fuses they can jumper the pins, otherwise add fuse board." I like this thinking. I can't see us hanging a cat5 fuse on every cable but would LOVE to go back

[AFMUG] Fw: POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
In line, so the cheap thing can blow and you don’t have to replace a more expensive thing. Plus not all folks will want fusing so it would drive up the cost of a surge suppressor if I added fusing. Poly switches are the problem. That POE switch actually protects all the ports with a

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Adam Moffett
I have a Traco power supply where if I short the thing I get a red LED and a squealing buzzer. It recovers if you remove the short. I have a Meanwell that clicks inside if you short it, and then resets if you unplug the AC and plug it back in. Another Meanwell model resets automatically a few

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
Hmm. Hmmm... -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection On 4/24/17 14:08, Chuck McCown wrote: I can do either or both. Will cost a tiny bit more to make it in the APC form

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/24/17 14:08, Chuck McCown wrote: I can do either or both. Will cost a tiny bit more to make it in the APC form factor. Is there enough space to add some header pins to do a mezzanine/riser card kind of thing like how an Arduino does? If someone doesn't want fuses they can jumper the

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
Yep. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection On 4/24/17 13:35, Chuck McCown wrote: It is done. Not in production but beta units are available. https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4 Neat. So

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
Thanks From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection Awesomeness Chuck! Jim Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/24/17 13:35, Chuck McCown wrote: It is done. Not in production but beta units are available. https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4 Neat. So I'm gathering the fuse is soldered on and the entire assembly should be considered the "fuse" which you replace after it blows?

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Awesomeness Chuck! Jim Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Chuck McCown Date: 4/24/17 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection It is done. Not in production but beta units

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I can do either or both. Will cost a tiny bit more to make it in the APC form factor. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection I don't wan't a cute plastic case. I want the same slide in form factor as your surge

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
In line, so the cheap thing can blow and you don’t have to replace a more expensive thing. Plus not all folks will want fusing so it would drive up the cost of a surge suppressor if I added fusing. Poly switches are the problem. That POE switch actually protects all the ports with a

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Carl Peterson
I don't wan't a cute plastic case. I want the same slide in form factor as your surge protectors. Perhaps an all in one with the surge protector. On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > It is done. Not in production but beta units are available. > >

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Adam Moffett
I've got dumb questions: Do you picture this going in-line with a surge protector or replacing a surge protector? Have you considered a resettable fuse (aka polyswitch)? Nobody has to truck roll if it cools off and resets in a few seconds. Thanks, Adam -- Original Message --

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
Hey Lewis...Any cat warnings or sighting? We went to San Marcial NM area few weeks ago ..Lots of signs from rangers about moms with cubs We hiked near river and stayed away from hills On Apr 24, 2017 2:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > If THEY play...Not so

[AFMUG] POE Port Protection

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
It is done. Not in production but beta units are available. https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Steve Jones
I dont think is lazier by default, just coddled. Nobody is allowed to hold them accountable for anything so they never learn. Theyre taught that their feelings matter, when they actually dont, not to the degree theyre led to believe at least. Those with good work ethics have brought our

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
If THEY play...Not so smartphone corrects at wrong times. On Apr 24, 2017 2:09 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > If the pay, I play...I have some links on Marfa-Presidio side of mountains > for private hunting ranches where folks like Dancing with Stars Perry > goesWe

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
If the pay, I play...I have some links on Marfa-Presidio side of mountains for private hunting ranches where folks like Dancing with Stars Perry goesWe are supposed to install some cellphone boosters and a ptp link back to MarfaKeep u posted on that... On Apr 24, 2017 1:16 PM, "Billy

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Billy Burns
Not this trip, although the canoe livery left from Terlingua. It might have been a little early for the hipsters to be stirring…. Jaime, you need to do a link to Chisos Mtn Lodge if you can find a place to hide it. The need more than what they have. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
We did some pre WiFi links for schools down there shooting from DPS tower repeater on mountain...They actually got FCC waiver to install 1 watt amp on mountainThat was in late 90sPart of Sul Ross project... On Apr 24, 2017 12:43 PM, "Billy Burns" wrote: Fun trip.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
Did you mingle with hippies and nerdowells in Terelingua On Apr 24, 2017 12:43 PM, "Billy Burns" wrote: > Fun trip. Went in February and did almost all the trails mentioned. Cool > and green. Canoed the Rio Grande…as you said, lots of water. They’ll never > do a physical

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Billy Burns
Fun trip. Went in February and did almost all the trails mentioned. Cool and green. Canoed the Rio Grande…as you said, lots of water. They’ll never do a physical wall there. Great spot! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:31 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I probably would too, but my HUGE hands would save me. -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process. I would break an ankle if I ran on uneven ground long enough unless I had my

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I am a Boomer. When I was young, the lazy kids were called hippies or beatniks or potheads. I was a farm kid and my dad hired hippies that were Vietnam vets. Learned a bunch from them. They were hard workers. Not sure when Gen X started. But we had the “me” generation that was all about me

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Jay Weekley
I would break an ankle if I ran on uneven ground long enough unless I had my braces on. Carl Peterson wrote: I'm in the anti-run crowd. Thinking ahead is much more effective. I would try being his helper. Don't do anything unless he tells you to. You can prompt him, i.e ask him what he

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Maybe *shrug* Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > I thought it was "hire fast and fire faster" > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Josh Luthman"

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
Cool. .Nice country...Did u raft any? Rio Grande has lots of water .. On Apr 24, 2017 7:01 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > Just got back home and in cell coverage. > Mule Ears at 105 degrees on Friday. A bit of a mistake there. > Lost Mine Trail > Balance Rock > Santa

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Adam Moffett
I'm 37. So I'm a grumpy old man only in spirit. In a younger group of employees, we can identify some who are going to be successful, and we can see some who are going to end up living with Mom. We'll be mistaken about some of them in each category, but by and large I think you'll know what

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Adam Moffett
I thought it was "hire fast and fire faster" -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Luthman" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 4/24/2017 11:55:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process. "First fast, hire slow" -Travis Johnson Josh

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

2017-04-24 Thread Mathew Howard
You definitely could get the Luminas with only copper... I'm not sure if that's still the case or not. On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I thought it was Fiber or Fiber + Copper? Can't remember for sure... > > > Josh Luthman > Office:

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

2017-04-24 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
I have an old SAF Lumina 18ghz that is single copper only. Before I knew better. Part of me wants to open it up and wire up the SFP with a fancy ODC so I have a fiber port. > On Apr 24, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > I thought it was Fiber or Fiber +

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Josh Luthman
"First fast, hire slow" -Travis Johnson Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > At my peak, I had almost exactly 100 employees with half of them > installers. We

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Ben Royer
Not really ageism, merely an observation. I consider myself young even at 33, so I’m speaking as ‘youth’, and I can tell you a majority of young kids, aged 18 to upper 20’s, don’t want to do anything, and want more money for less work, if they could get paid to sit at home, they would. Sure,

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

2017-04-24 Thread Josh Luthman
I thought it was Fiber or Fiber + Copper? Can't remember for sure... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Only if you ordered the SAF with a fiber port...

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Mathew Howard
I don't care whether or not they run, but as long as they aren't wasting time. There's a big difference between the guy that walks as slow as he can just so that he can get out of doing some work back at the office, or get some over time and the guy that's working out the best way to run the

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Adam Moffett
I'm gonna drift a bit now: I take issue with the ageism. There's a tendency to look down on the next generation and say they're all lazy bums. You can find columns from the 40's describing the young people as lazy and immoral. I know I've seen one from the 1890's decrying the horrible

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Carl Peterson
I'm in the anti-run crowd. Thinking ahead is much more effective. I would try being his helper. Don't do anything unless he tells you to. You can prompt him, i.e ask him what he needs you to do. Take all day if you need to but make him think through the install. On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:11

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
At my peak, I had almost exactly 100 employees with half of them installers. We had new guys ride along with the more seasoned veterans for two weeks. If their trainer gave us a thumbs up, they got a truck and were turned loose. If the trainer said thumbs down, we gave them two more weeks

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Ben Royer
It’s interesting reading responses, definitely two different cultures. I was raised in the midst of both really, luckily I stuck to the former, not the current, and therefor to me hustle makes sense. It’s about having a sense of pride for yourself and your work. I can definitely see the

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

2017-04-24 Thread Mathew Howard
Only if you ordered the SAF with a fiber port... I'm not sure if there's any way they can be added if you got it with copper only. I made that mistake on ours... but it was a long time ago, when I didn't know any better (it also doesn't even cause any issue, so I don't really care, but still... ).

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I never suggested not being safe. Here is a fragment of the post that started this thread: “This was a hard roof, tall and not LOS and we were done in the truck heading home in just under two hours. But that was two guys and we ran. Ok so this is getting long sorry about that but I just

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread George Skorup
Yeah, I'm an employee, and I've been here for 13 years so I've seen almost all types of techs. You can expect most satellite installers to be lazy and do shitty work. Been there several times. Never again. However, there are sub-types of sat guys. The guys that started their own

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/24/17 8:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I guess if you grow up playing video games in the basement, never stepping outside to play ball or hike. Getting a doctor's note to avoid PE classes. Never participating in sports. Never mowing lawns to make some coin. I guess you develop an attitude

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

2017-04-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Look like John Woodfield is subbed and he's the one that was compromised. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Didn’t notice it. Folder is empty now but normally

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I would expect all installers, when the weather is decent and there is a long walk between the ladder and the truck, to move faster than walking. Where is their self resepect and pride in their productivity if they are dragging their ass. But yes, how many perfect installs can you knock out

Re: [AFMUG] Windows Server 2016 NPS / RADIUS

2017-04-24 Thread Matt Mangriotis
George, Jon, et al, Give R15.1 a try. We have separated the login from the accounting/authentication in the latest version of software. We’d appreciate feedback on this feature if you give it a whirl. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Bruce Sent: Monday, April 24,

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Josh Reynolds
Am soldier, no longer enlisted. No one is dying by not having internet, but they could die in a ladder accident or cordless drill accident or by sliding on ice and bashing their head by trying to rush on the job site. Once you get shot at and blown up a few times in a third world shit hole, it

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Robert
I wouldn't expect someone to run. But hustling is not running to me. Hustling is thinking ahead, being prepared, _being efficient_. I am horrible about keeping my vehicle clean, but I know where everything is and go right to where what I need is. I don't clean the truck in the field in

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I guess if you grow up playing video games in the basement, never stepping outside to play ball or hike. Getting a doctor's note to avoid PE classes. Never participating in sports. Never mowing lawns to make some coin. I guess you develop an attitude that employers only get whatever you

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/24/17 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I could be here all day listing jobs that require you to jog/hustle/run. I do not think it is in any way unreasonable to ask an installer to have some spring in their step. It's just the new attitude. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

2017-04-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Should have a "fiber port" with their badass connector on it. Or an SFP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > do i drill a hole in the saf and push the

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Adam Moffett
"Fast Food worker during lunch" I can make a Whopper like a boss. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 4/24/2017 10:46:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process. Can you imagine telling your employer to fuck off (when

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
Can you imagine telling your employer to fuck off (when asked to hustle) in the following jobs? Soldier Life Guard Fireman EMT Cop Airline baggage loader, unloader Airline fuel line operator Personal Trainer Flat Rate Roofer Athlete ER Nurse Fast Food worker during lunch Package sorter/truck

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
Not saying to rush for the sake of rushing, saying to go fast. Do things perfectly in the least amount of time possible. That means hustle. Why would you chose to slowly drag your ass between the truck and the house? There is absolutely no justification for not jogging back and forth. Not

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Josh Reynolds
To tell the truth, I'd be telling you to fuck off as well. Having an employee run is a liability for several reasons. Rushing leads to forgotten things and shoddy work, and tying installs to pay with cause you to end up with the install quality that DirecTV subcontractors do, as they get paid per

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I just don’t like wasting time. When I was an installer I ran every step, it was fun. I liked to prove to the boss I was the fastest and best installer they had, and I was. To me it was always a fun competition to blow away the older dudes. We used to have a work order coded of 232 (the

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Adam Moffett
I'm not an owner, I'm an employee. I hustle because I never want someone to look at what I'm doing and say, "That Adam guy, he sure does suck." I don't tolerate poor performance in myself, and I have a really hard time tolerating it from others. I'm not a genius or a football star, I just

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
Well then you would not be working for me. Or UPS or FedEX or Les Schwab or Tunex or .. Treating someone like crap is a far different thing than treating them like an adult. You own their work output when they are on the clock and they need to work efficiently. It is not unreasonable

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Timothy Steele
If you treat your employees like crap like that there going to start looking for a new boss I know if I was walking to the house and you told me to run I would quit on the spot if that's what you want then go for it On Mon, Apr 24, 2017, 9:43 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > You cannot

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
Didn’t notice it. Folder is empty now but normally any afmug tagged stuff that gets there gets looked at. Seems like 1 or 2 a week end up there. From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 7:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked its in your spam folder On

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

2017-04-24 Thread Steve Jones
its in your spam folder On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I never saw any of this so gmail must have tossed it for me. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:07 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked > > >

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
You cannot expect a younger person to run for any reason until they decide that it might benefit them, and even them real hustle will be rare. I would put them on piece rate or daily rate and tell them they have to do at least 3 per day to keep their job. Once they are doing 3, then up it to 4

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I never saw any of this so gmail must have tossed it for me. From: Steve Jones Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked From: "af@afmug.com" On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

2017-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
We are suspicious From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 7:50 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread PE R
Have you done the Davis Mt. area for hiking?  Native Texan here, but, most of my hikes and climbs have been in Colorado, Montana, Alberta and I've heard west TX is a great visit Nov - Feb? From: Lewis Bergman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:00

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mad cow

2017-04-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
Just got back home and in cell coverage. Mule Ears at 105 degrees on Friday. A bit of a mistake there. Lost Mine Trail Balance Rock Santa Elena Canyon Pine valley (slightly misleading name) Got pictures on me phone. By the way Jamie, Mexicans beat Trump on building the wall! The Mexican side down

Re: [AFMUG] Windows Server 2016 NPS / RADIUS

2017-04-24 Thread Jon Bruce
+1 That's exactly what we're doing. It'll make things easier for when they fire me, just need to change the AD password. On 4/23/2017 6:02 PM, George Skorup wrote: That's precisely why I asked Cambium to allow us to split up AAA. Off-net/cloud hosted billing for SM auth & acct. On-net

[AFMUG] OT: Lengthy read

2017-04-24 Thread Jason McKemie
This article is pretty long-winded, but interesting / frightening (frinteresting?). http://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html