Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> > This is great! but I'm likely to vote AGAINST unless we get a > > crime/infraction distinction and this becomes an infraction, i.e. not > > actually against the rules. > > Is this something that is currently being proposed, or no? I know > there's something related to blots and stuff in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 10:12 AM, ATMunn wrote: > On 6/6/2020 1:05 PM, James Cook wrote: >>> Title: Bank Robbery >>> AI: 1.0 >>> Author: ATMunn >>> Co-author(s): >>> >>> Enact a rule entitled "Heists" with the following text: >>> { >>> At any time, any player CAN, by announcement, perform a Heist. Upon >>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 10:17 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:08:48 PM CDT ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> The only other thing I'm wondering about is what class crime Robbery >> should be. I went with 3 because 2 seems too low (it is robbery after >> all), but 4 and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 1:17 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:08:48 PM CDT ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: The only other thing I'm wondering about is what class crime Robbery should be. I went with 3 because 2 seems too low (it is robbery after all), but 4 and above is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:08:48 PM CDT ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > The only other thing I'm wondering about is what class crime Robbery > should be. I went with 3 because 2 seems too low (it is robbery after > all), but 4 and above is considered "high crime" and seems to be > reserved

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 1:05 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: Title: Bank Robbery AI: 1.0 Author: ATMunn Co-author(s): Enact a rule entitled "Heists" with the following text: { At any time, any player CAN, by announcement, perform a Heist. Upon doing so, e CAN transfer up to half of the coins

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 12:52 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/6/2020 9:33 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2020 10:18:59 AM CDT ATMunn via agora-business wrote: There's absolutely no way this will pass, but I'm going to try it anyways. Aris, I don't remember

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 9:33 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Saturday, June 6, 2020 10:18:59 AM CDT ATMunn via agora-business wrote: >> There's absolutely no way this will pass, but I'm going to try it >> anyways. Aris, I don't remember exactly when the midweek distribution >> deadline is, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:53 AM ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/6/2020 11:34 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:19 AM ATMunn via agora-business > > wrote: > >> > >> There's absolutely no way this will pass, but I'm going to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 11:34 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:19 AM ATMunn via agora-business wrote: There's absolutely no way this will pass, but I'm going to try it anyways. Aris, I don't remember exactly when the midweek distribution deadline

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] DADA Soft Repeal

2020-06-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/6/20 10:20 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Due to deputisation, if the Assessor didn't resolve it it would basically > be "without objection" to not resolve it. Well that's comforting. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] DADA Soft Repeal

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/5/2020 9:39 PM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > On Friday, 5 June 2020, 19:11:36 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: >> If a proposal does get enough votes, I think this makes the Assessor >> the one who violates the rule, when e resolves it. I guess Aris's "New >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] DADA Soft Repeal

2020-06-05 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:49 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:40 PM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Friday, 5 June 2020, 19:11:36 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] DADA Soft Repeal

2020-06-05 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:40 PM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Friday, 5 June 2020, 19:11:36 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > If a proposal does get enough votes, I think this makes the Assessor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] DADA Soft Repeal

2020-06-05 Thread Alex Smith via agora-discussion
On Friday, 5 June 2020, 19:11:36 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > If a proposal does get enough votes, I think this makes the Assessor > the one who violates the rule, when e resolves it. I guess Aris's "New > Defenses" would protect em. Probably not a big deal. Gratuitous: in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Identity theft protection act v1.1 (was: Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process)

2020-06-05 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Oops, I forgot. I think it's now the H. Promotor's second distribution cutoff of 00:00 Friday, so perhaps I should leave it as is. If I'm lucky maybe I'll squeeze another coin out of it, though it was not intentional. If I'm unlucky F/A will turn out to be 3.05 or something. - Falsifian On Fri,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:40 PM nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 7:25:03 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > What do y'all think of this proto? > > > > -Aris > > --- > > Title: Certifiable Patches > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Aris > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:40 PM nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 7:25:03 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > What do y'all think of this proto? > > > > -Aris > > --- > > Title: Certifiable Patches > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Aris > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:28 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/4/20 8:25 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > Any player CAN, by announcement, certify a specified proposal (as a > > patch), > > causing it to become pended. > > > This would enable pending

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, June 4, 2020 7:25:03 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > What do y'all think of this proto? > > -Aris > --- > Title: Certifiable Patches > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: Aris > Co-author(s): nch, P.S.S. This version looks better, but to be transparent I'll likely vote

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:25 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:43 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:37 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:35 AM

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/4/20 8:25 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Any player CAN, by announcement, certify a specified proposal (as a patch), > causing it to become pended. This would enable pending proposals that were already voted on or are currently being voted on. Otherwise looks good to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:43 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:37 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:35 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > > agora-discussion wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/4/20 8:18 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > I retract this proposal. > > -Aris "I retract this proposal.", said Aris to the discussion forum. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:20 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/4/2020 12:09 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> On 6/4/2020 11:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > >>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:20 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/4/2020 12:09 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> On 6/4/2020 11:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 PM

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 12:09 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/4/2020 11:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 PM Aris Merchant wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:04 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/4/2020 11:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >>> On 6/4/2020 9:37 AM, Publius Scribonius

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 11:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 6/4/2020 9:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Rebecca wrote: > On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:38 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > On 6/4/2020 9:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/4/2020 9:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Rebecca wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:00 AM Kerim Aydinwrote: > >>> I think having

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 9:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Rebecca wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:00 AM Kerim Aydinwrote: >>> I think having the option of a 0 being a regular thing is just fine, given >> that the alternative is possibly taking wins away

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:36 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/4/20 12:24 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Do you know why we set it such that apologies expunge at least 3 > > blots? This has discouraged me from making lesser fines forgivable.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:00 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > On 6/4/2020 8:47 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:43 AM Rebecca

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/4/20 12:24 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > Do you know why we set it such that apologies expunge at least 3 > blots? This has discouraged me from making lesser fines forgivable. > Rule 2557: > If the > investigator does so, the perp CAN, in a timely

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:09:25 AM CDT Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > I think having the option of a 0 being a regular thing is just fine, given > > that the alternative is possibly taking wins away from people when certain > officers get pointed at for missing a report, other

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/4/2020 8:47 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:43 AM Rebecca wrote: > >> > >> Blots are about to be significantly harder to remove, and the general > >> Agoran expectation is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:00 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/4/2020 8:47 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:43 AM Rebecca wrote: > >> > >> Blots are about to be significantly harder to remove, and the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 8:47 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:43 AM Rebecca wrote: >> >> Blots are about to be significantly harder to remove, and the general >> Agoran expectation is that certain crime is pretty much constant and >> usually no big deal (mainly slightly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:37 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:35 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:02 AM nch via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:41:14 AM CDT

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:35 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:02 AM nch via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:41:14 AM CDT Aris Merchant via > agora-business > > wrote: > > > I submit the following proposal. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:34:29 AM CDT you wrote: > Could you elaborate on this? As I see it, there would be no reason for > more CFJs to occur under this rule. How is "primary function" determined? Is G's complete rewrite of the auction rule primarily a bug fix? -- nch

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Certifiable Patches

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:02 AM nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:41:14 AM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-business > wrote: > > I submit the following proposal. > > > > -Aris > > --- > > Title: Certifiable Patches > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Aris > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
> On Jun 3, 2020, at 18:46, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:40 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >>> On 6/3/2020 2:45 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:20

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:40 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/3/2020 2:45 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:20 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >> >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 2:45 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:20 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 6/3/2020 2:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> >>> Aris may have a little more difficulty with eir proposal because

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:20 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/3/2020 2:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Aris may have a little more difficulty with eir proposal because that F/A > > ratio doesn't have a clever term-of-art name defined in R955

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 2:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Aris may have a little more difficulty with eir proposal because that F/A > ratio doesn't have a clever term-of-art name defined in R955 - and I just > realized it's broken anyway, because the "greatest F/A ratio" doesn't > error trap division by 0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 2:03 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:00 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/3/2020 1:46 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: >>> On 6/3/20 4:44 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Replace the text "Rule 478" in Rule 2139, "The Registrar" with "the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 4:03:35 PM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:00 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > On 6/3/2020 1:46 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/3/20 4:44 PM, Publius Scribonius

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:04 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:00 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > > > On 6/3/2020 1:46 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/3/20 4:44 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-06-03 15:03, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:00 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/3/2020 1:46 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/3/20 4:44 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:00 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/3/2020 1:46 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/3/20 4:44 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > >> Replace the text "Rule 478" in Rule 2139, "The Registrar" with "the > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 1:46 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/3/20 4:44 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: >> Replace the text "Rule 478" in Rule 2139, "The Registrar" with "the >> rule entitled "Fora"". >> >> Replace the text "Rule 1789" in Rule 2139, "The

Re: [Proto-Contract] LoAFER (was: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3)

2020-05-24 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:05:29 PM CDT Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-05-24 18:47, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > it used to be considered somewhat rude to submit a proposal after the > > promotor had published eir draft but before the distribution > > I think we

[Proto-Contract] LoAFER (was: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3)

2020-05-24 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-05-24 18:47, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: it used to be considered somewhat rude to submit a proposal after the promotor had published eir draft but before the distribution I think we need to respect and help officers more in general. Thoughts on this fun proto-contract I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3

2020-05-24 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:06 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > > On May 24, 2020, at 20:58, nch via agora-business > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:50:27 PM CDT you wrote: > >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:42 PM nch via agora-business > >>> > >>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3

2020-05-24 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:52 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:47 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > it used to be considered somewhat rude to submit a proposal after the > > promotor had published eir draft but before the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3

2020-05-24 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:47 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > it used to be considered somewhat rude to submit a proposal after the > promotor had published eir draft but before the distribution That's true. I'd like to apologize to the Promotor for the ways in which I have contributed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:33 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 2:28 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:13:43 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> Also, you've got a bunch of zombie protections, but one thing that's not > >> obvious is that having

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The > > auction has the following lots: > > This means the Treasuror will frequently have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:51 PM nch via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:33:12 PM CDT Aris Merchant via > agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > > > > wrote: > > > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 2:42 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:23:25 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: >>> The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order the >>> lots >>> as e chooses. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:23:25 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order the > > lots > > as e chooses. The minimum bid for this auction is 1 coin. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 2:28 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:13:43 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: >>> Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The >> >>> auction has the following lots: >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > > The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order the > > lots > > as e chooses. The minimum bid for this auction is 1 coin. > > I'm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 2:21 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/20 5:18 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Not the sort of danger I prefer, it just leads to messes. >> >> Especially because, the way I'm reading it, the lots must include a single >> type of asset if at least

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:13:43 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The > > > auction has the following lots: > This means the Treasuror will

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/21/20 5:18 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Not the sort of danger I prefer, it just leads to messes. > > Especially because, the way I'm reading it, the lots must include a single > type of asset if at least one exists. > > Right now we have changed the assets rule so that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 2:12 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:02 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: >>> * all of any single type of asset currently own by the Lost and Found >>> Department, if any. >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:01:12 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > * all of any single type of asset currently own by the Lost and > > Found > > > > Department, if any. > > I'm concerned about

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:02 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > * all of any single type of asset currently own by the Lost and Found > > Department, if any. > > I'm concerned about allowing the hijacking and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:19:27 AM CDT you wrote: > Surely I can just say "CAN pay X to Y"? 2579 defines 'pay' so I think it > triggers it sufficiently clearly (and the usage is intuitive anyway). Clarification here: 2579 doesn't define 'pay' but it talks about payment. The only fee-based

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
I'm going to resubmit and fix most of the things you mentioned, but as argued below I don't overall agree that "by announcement" would break the clauses. On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:51:47 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:05 PM nch via agora-business

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0

2020-05-20 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:30:24 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > The important bit is "neither its text nor any of the aforementioned > attributes can be changed". This means the attempt to change the > coauthors is INEFFECTIVE under R2240. > > -- > Jason Cobb Thanks for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Mooting moots

2020-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:45 PM James Cook wrote: > > > I had been under the impression that the current case of CFJ 3831 is > > > sort of like that, since I don't remember people disagreeing with the > > > judgement until somewhat later. > > > > Yes the main issue was there wasn't a peep of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Mooting moots

2020-05-20 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> > I had been under the impression that the current case of CFJ 3831 is > > sort of like that, since I don't remember people disagreeing with the > > judgement until somewhat later. > > Yes the main issue was there wasn't a peep of complaint for the first > 2 weeks (at least that I saw). There

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Mooting moots

2020-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:07 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Why the third requirement? What if someone notices a problem with a > judgement 10 days after it's assigned, and there was no motion to > reconsider? The idea is a fixed progression: first you remand via a motion to give

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-20 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> > That could probably be fixed, but it does seem to change the way at > > least I was thinking of dependent actions. My understanding was: > > dependent actions are methods; R2595 says how the method works; > > R2595's implementation happens to defer to the "by announcement" > > method. > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/19/2020 2:56 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:48:20 PM CDT you wrote: >> I don't like this idea. The history of this provision is that I gave a CFJ >> judgement essentially establishing something like this. Everyone >> (especially G.) thought it was a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/19/2020 4:01 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > (There are also fee-based actions. I don't know if we have any right > now other than winning under R2483. Also, Agora currently CAN transfer > zombies to their owners, which is not done by announcement.) Also: Initiating Agoran

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-19 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:01:39 PM CDT James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > I suppose that's true, but with the change you proposed, I think it's > a little unclear how to interpret current rules that describe things > you can do with dependent actions. > > For example, R2465: "A player CAN

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-19 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 22:15, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 5:07:51 PM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: > > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 5:56 PM nch via agora-discussion > > > > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:48:20 PM CDT you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-19 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 5:07:51 PM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 5:56 PM nch via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:48:20 PM CDT you wrote: > > > I don't like this idea. The history of this provision is that I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'

2020-05-19 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 5:56 PM nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:48:20 PM CDT you wrote: > > I don't like this idea. The history of this provision is that I gave a CFJ > > judgement essentially establishing something like this. Everyone > > (especially G.) thought it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Prior violations

2020-05-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/17/20 1:30 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Since this just came up, does this address the fencepost issue; i.e., what > if the Assessor does something illegal as part of the act that changes the > rule so it's no longer illegal? (pledges are a better example I think, > the rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] They sought it with thimbles...

2020-05-03 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/3/20 2:47 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2020-05-03 at 11:38 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: >> I submit the following proposal, "with smiles and soap", AI 1: >> -- >> >> Create a power-1 Rule,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Wooden Gavel for twg

2020-04-26 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 11:23, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Actually, rereading it this morning, could the proposal be a bit less > "whereas" ish and a bit more explaining why that particular judgement > deserves it enough to override twg's failure

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Wooden Gavel for twg

2020-04-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/25/2020 11:51 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:11 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:43, Aris Merchant wrote: >> >>> [I'm attempting to replicate, as nearly as possible, the 2 Agoran >>> Consent requirement for awarding the patent title. Unless there is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Wooden Gavel for twg

2020-04-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/25/2020 11:51 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Rereading the rule, it seems the Arbitor CAN make an intent for > whoever e wants; the restriction on doing it for the judge of the CFJ > is a should. So I guess maybe we should go that route? I'm tired and > can't think ATM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Wooden Gavel for twg

2020-04-26 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:11 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:43, Aris Merchant via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > [I'm attempting to replicate, as nearly as possible, the 2 Agoran > > Consent requirement for awarding the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Less Democracy Means More Fun

2020-03-09 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:58 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > you want more than 3.0 rather than less than 3.0. this is the opposite to > intended effect! > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 1:30 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business < >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] solving double proposal effects

2020-03-04 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/4/20 8:48 PM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > Is this needed? What's an example of a circumstance in which this would > prevent something bad from happening? > > —Warrigal A little less than a month ago, we made some large changes to voting strength; specifically, we added

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons

2020-02-20 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Wed., Feb. 19, 2020, 21:41 Jason Cobb via agora-discussion, < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 2/19/20 9:38 PM, James Cook wrote: > > I have the same question here as in another thread [0]: since awarding > > a ribbon is a regulated action, does this rule need to explicitly > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons

2020-02-19 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/19/20 9:38 PM, James Cook wrote: > I have the same question here as in another thread [0]: since awarding > a ribbon is a regulated action, does this rule need to explicitly > specify a mechanism that it's using to award the ribbon (or explicitly > override R2125)? > > [0] >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons

2020-02-19 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 21:32, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 2/18/20 3:30 PM, AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 15:24 -0500, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > >> I submit the following proposal: > >> > >> Title: De-secure Black Ribbons > >> > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Blots here! Come get your Blots!

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 19:40, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/18/20 2:27 PM, James Cook wrote: > > You can use the word "grant" as defined by rule 2577. E.g. "A person > > CAN grant emself a specified number of blots by announcement.". > > > Sure, but I don't think that's worth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Let's deal with the temporary rules.

2020-02-06 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
Falsifian wrote: > Sigh. I repeal Blink test v1.1 and submit: > > Title: Blink test v1.2 > AI: 1 > Chamber: Legislation > Co-authors: Jason > Text: { > > Amend Rule 2601 to read in full: > > If this is the only paragraph in this rule, and it has been at > least one week since this rule was last

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Help with Forgotten Announcements, Support Improvements

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> My apologies for the delayed reply here, but this was intentional and > I would ask that everyone who voted against it for this reason > consider voting in favour. This is done to match up with the way that > proposals work: an AI=1 proposal requires a strict majority, but an > AI=2 proposal can

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