Upgrade questions

2004-10-27 Thread Alexander Belck
I'm planing to upgrade to release 2.2 since last week.

The questions that come up while preparing my first openpkg live server to be
upgradet don't receaved any coments/answers.

Did they reached the list ?

The subject where:

Re: Upgrade procedure
I've setup chroot env and preparing to test upgrade I issued:

openpkg build -za  new.sh

looking to new.sh I found some ATTENCION I don't understand

# ATTENTION: mysql-4.0.20-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: openldap-2.2.14-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: openssl-0.9.7d-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-ldap-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-mail-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-sys-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-time-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: postgresql-7.4.3-2.1.0 is in LIMBO


What does this LIMBO means ?

Should I worry about ?


=

BIND-9.3.0-2.2.0 with_dlz=yes

I was trying to upgrade my bind-9.x-2.1 to release 2.2.
It previously was build with_dlz=yes option.
Now in release 2.2 it fails compiling just at the beginning because of patching
failure.

Executing(%prep): env -i /opkg/lib/openpkg/bash --norc --noprofile --posix -e
/opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.90028
patching file bin/Makefile.in
patching file bin/dlzbdb/Makefile.in
patching file bin/dlzbdb/dlzbdb.c
patching file bin/named/Makefile.in
Hunk #1 FAILED at 31.
Hunk #2 FAILED at 65.
Hunk #3 succeeded at 95 with fuzz 2 (offset 4 lines).
2 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file bin/named/Makefile.in.rej




Non-root build does not install

I´ve somehow the idea the packages should be compiled with non-root privileges.
I created .openpk/build wher I put -P sudo in.

This worked fine except for 2 packages I was upgrading.
The db-4.2.52.2-2.2.0 and libxslt-1.1.11-2.2.0 compiled with non-root privileges
aparently, generating binary .rpm, but when I try to install them I got:
sudo /opkg/bin/openpkg rpm --force -Uvh
/opkg/RPM/PKG/db-4.2.52.2-2.2.0.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm
error: unpacking of archive failed on file /opkg/bin/db_verify;4179a8af: cpio:
MD5 sum mismatch
exit 1

sudo /opkg/bin/openpkg rpm --force -Uvh
/opkg/RPM/PKG/libxslt-1.1.11-2.2.0.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm
error: unpacking of archive failed on file /opkg/bin/xsltproc;4179b559: cpio:
read failed - Inappropriate ioctl for device
exit 1

Both packages compiled with the same command issued by root, generated a binary
that instaled with no complains.


Any idea why that happens ?

PS. When compiling I was in an chroot environment on my production server.

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Thanks for any hint

Alex


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Re: Upgrade questions

2004-10-27 Thread Alexander Belck
Thanks for your answer.

Could you explain a bit more thise because I did not understand correctly what
happend.

1st) I do not understand the meaning of the word LIMBO, don't know if its
important

2nd) How could I have a circular dependency ?
 I do NOT use rpm --force
 I build all packages from source with something like:
   openpkg build [--define...] [package ...]  build.sh
   [less build.sh]  /* I'm curiouse whats going on :-)) */
   sh build.sh

3) I take the risk and rebuild all packages to rel-2.2 in chroot copy
   exept for some problems compiling (other issues from prev mail)
   I have no ATTENTION when runing openpkg build -Ua

Thanks,

Alex

Citando Michael van Elst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 04:35:28PM -0300, Alexander Belck wrote:

  looking to new.sh I found some ATTENCION I don't understand
 
  # ATTENTION: mysql-4.0.20-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
  # ATTENTION: openldap-2.2.14-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
  # ATTENTION: openssl-0.9.7d-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
  # ATTENTION: perl-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
  # ATTENTION: perl-ldap-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
  # ATTENTION: perl-mail-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
  # ATTENTION: perl-sys-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
  # ATTENTION: perl-time-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
  # ATTENTION: postgresql-7.4.3-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
 
  What does this LIMBO means ?

 While the build tool computes dependencies for a target it marks the
 target as in LIMBO because any reference to it is undefined
 until the target has been installed or updated.

 If you see that message then you have a circular dependency.

  Should I worry about ?

 Maybe. Circular dependencies should be avoided because there
 is no deterministic path for resolving them. The result
 might be broken too if you link with an old library that
 gets updated later.

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Non-root build does not install

2004-10-23 Thread Alexander Belck
I´ve somehow the idea the packages should be compiled with non-root privileges.
I created .openpk/build wher I put -P sudo in.

This worked fine except for 2 packages I was upgrading.
The db-4.2.52.2-2.2.0 and libxslt-1.1.11-2.2.0 compiled with non-root privileges
aparently, generating binary .rpm, but when I try to install them I got:
sudo /opkg/bin/openpkg rpm --force -Uvh
/opkg/RPM/PKG/db-4.2.52.2-2.2.0.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm
error: unpacking of archive failed on file /opkg/bin/db_verify;4179a8af: cpio:
MD5 sum mismatch
exit 1

sudo /opkg/bin/openpkg rpm --force -Uvh
/opkg/RPM/PKG/libxslt-1.1.11-2.2.0.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm
error: unpacking of archive failed on file /opkg/bin/xsltproc;4179b559: cpio:
read failed - Inappropriate ioctl for device
exit 1

Both packages compiled with the same command issued by root, generated a binary
that instaled with no complains.


Any idea why that happens ?

Alex

PS. When compiling I was in an chroot environment on my production server.


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Re: Upgrade procedure

2004-10-22 Thread Alexander Belck
I've setup chroot env and preparing to test upgrade I issued:

openpkg build -za  new.sh

looking to new.sh I found some ATTENCION I don't understand

# ATTENTION: mysql-4.0.20-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: openldap-2.2.14-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: openssl-0.9.7d-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-ldap-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-mail-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-sys-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: perl-time-5.8.4-2.1.0 is in LIMBO
# ATTENTION: postgresql-7.4.3-2.1.0 is in LIMBO


What does this LIMBO means ?

Should I worry about ?

Thanks,

Alex

Citando Ralf S. Engelschall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, Oct 21, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Could you give me some help how to prepare a chroot environment apropriate
 to
  build a separate instance of OpenPkg-2.2 with same packages and --with
 options
  to upgrade my prodution running at /opkg ?
 
  I guess I should:
a) mkdir /chrootOS
b) cd  /chrootOS
c) mkdir /proc /root /home /tmp
d) cd /; cp -axv /bin /dev /etc /lib /sbin /usr /var /opkg /chrootOS/
e) chroot /chrootOS
 
f) proceed with upgrade of chrootOS/opkg to ver 2.2

 Yes. Just step (d) is usually OS dependent. For instance, under FreeBSD
 /dev is a virtual FS you do not have to copy, etc. Just consult one of
 the dozend how-to documents on the net on how to create a clean and
 correct chroot(2) environment for a particular OS.

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SpamAssassin final

2004-10-15 Thread Alexander Belck
I'd like to know if it is possible to update to the final 3.0.0 version, as I
need  a future corrected in this version.

Thanks,

Alex

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Updating rpm should preserve /opkg/etc/rc.d/rc.server

2004-10-15 Thread Alexander Belck
Today I updated apache following security advise.
It happens that the instalation overides rc.apache that should be treated as a
configuration file, since there ara options that could be set previously (and
in this specific case, I needed to implement the graceful action).

In general form I think that the rpm install script should at least rename the
old version to .rpmsave or make the new a .rpmnew if files differ and display a
warning.

Thanks,

Alex

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Re: SpamAssassin final

2004-10-15 Thread Alexander Belck
To prepare my waries :-)) How do I upgrade a production instalation of OpenPKG
from ver 2.1 to 2.2.

Today I have allmost all (just miss freeradius-1.0.0_with-ldap and courier)
OpenPKG I need from ver 2.1 build at my host and running from an instalation at
/opkg.

How should I proceed to get the new 2.2 release with all the same build option
running ?
Is it possible to have it at the same /opkg root without an spare Host with
same underlaying OS (and same hardware??) to build the new pakages ?



Temporarly, is it possible to instruct `openpkg build package`
to get the lates package from CURRENT Release ?


Thanks,

Alex

Citando Ralf S. Engelschall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Oct 15, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:

  I'd like to know if it is possible to update to the final 3.0.0 version, as
 I
  need  a future corrected in this version.

 Well, in OpenPKG 2.1 there cannot be 3.0.0 because at the time of
 OpenPKG 2.1 there existed only a 3.0.0pre2 and by policy we do not
 perform any vendor version upgrades within a release. But either use
 OpenPKG CURRENT today (which already has Spamassassin 3.0.0 final) or
 wait until next week after OpenPKG 2.2 is available (which then also
 contains Spamassassin 3.0.0).
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Re: Updating rpm should preserve /opkg/etc/rc.d/rc.server

2004-10-15 Thread Alexander Belck
Two questions

1) specificaly for apache I need the action graceful.
   Particulary I would prefer the way other distros handle apache using
   apachectl, that in some cases make extra check to avoid killing apache
   at all when reloading with a new miss-configuret apache.conf

   But at least could be the graceful action added to the standart rc.apache ?

2) My lake of knowlege.
   How should I use rc.conf ?
   I'm not used with that kind of startup, I guess its similar to debian ??

   All I found is that all the rc.xxx files from OpenPKG have a %config
   section that could change the way a server starts.
   Should I repead the configuration settings I whant to change from
   rc.xxx in rc.conf with my setting ?


Thanks,

Alex


Citando Ralf S. Engelschall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Oct 15, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:

  Today I updated apache following security advise.
  It happens that the instalation overides rc.apache that should be treated
 as a
  configuration file, since there ara options that could be set previously
 (and
  in this specific case, I needed to implement the graceful action).

 No, rc.xxx are *not* configuration files! If you want to change
 some of its settings write them to rc.conf, please.

  In general form I think that the rpm install script should at least rename
 the
  old version to .rpmsave or make the new a .rpmnew if files differ and
 display a
  warning.

 .rpmsave are only created for config files. rc.xxx are not config files,
 hence no .rpmsave files.
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Re: FreeRadius

2004-09-02 Thread Alexander Belck
As Bill's freeradius-1.0.0 is the closest ver I got to build, could someone tell
me if I can just make a symlink from install to ginstall ?

I searched google for ginstall and got only old (1999/2000) references to that
and in one it told that ginstall has been renamed to install.

Any other advice to get freeradius build will be apreciated.

Thanks,

Alex

Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Now I rebuild with:

 openpkg rpm --rebuild -D with_gdbm_passwd=no
 freeradius-1.0.0-20040812.src.rpm

 Executing(%install): env -i /opkg/lib/openpkg/bash --norc --noprofile --posix
 -e
 /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.9186
 + cd /opkg/RPM/TMP
 + cd freeradius-1.0.0
 + DESTDIR=/opkg/RPM/TMP/freeradius-1.0.0-root
 + export DESTDIR
 + GZIP=-v9nf
 + export GZIP
 + perl -e '$_=$ENV{DESTDIR}./; exit (!m:/tmp/\w\S+/:i || m:/\.\./:)'
 + rm -rf /opkg/RPM/TMP/freeradius-1.0.0-root
 + mkdir -p /opkg/RPM/TMP/freeradius-1.0.0-root
 + ginstall -d /opkg/RPM/TMP/freeradius-1.0.0-root/etc/logrotate.d
 /opkg/RPM/TMP/freeradius-1.0.0-root/etc/pam.d
 /opkg/RPM/TMP/freeradius-1.0.0-root/etc/rc.d/init.d
 /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.9186: line 39: ginstall: command not found
 error: Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.9186 (%install)


 RPM build errors:
 Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.9186 (%install)


 Should I have ginstall ??

 Citando Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  On Wed, Sep 01, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I tryed to rebuild Bill's version and got:
  Installing freeradius-1.0.0-20040812.src.rpm
  error: File /opkg/RPM/SRC/freeradius/%{Name}-%{Version}-CSYS.patch: No
 such
  file
  or directory
 
  If you install this, it provides some additional Macros that I've been
  using from the old Caldera version of RPM.
 
 

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Rebuild script

2004-09-02 Thread Alexander Belck
Can openpkg tool genaret a script that would rebuild all packages with same
options on an other platform.

To clarify my english. I have worked to get several functions work together
using OpenPKG build from source on my old RH7.3.

If I got a new server wher I could install CL10 or FC3 and would build all
OpenPKG in the same manner, could openpkg (or other tool) write a script for
me, that would download all necessary src.rpms and build them with the same
options I have done on RH7.3 ?

Thanks,

Alex

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FreeRadius

2004-09-01 Thread Alexander Belck
I'm trying to install freeradius.
I got freeradius-1.0.0-20040810.src.rpm from current, then:

openpkg rpm --rebuild freeradius-1.0.0-20040810.src.rpm
:
:

../modules/rlm_x99_token/.libs/rlm_x99_token.a(x99_mac.o)(.text+0x71): In
function `x99_mac':
: undefined reference to `DES_cbc_encrypt'
../modules/rlm_x99_token/.libs/rlm_x99_token.a(x99_pwe.o)(.text+0x3c4): In
function `x99_pw_valid':: undefined reference to `MD4'
../modules/rlm_x99_token/.libs/rlm_x99_token.a(x99_pwe.o)(.text+0x5ea): In
function `x99_pw_valid':: undefined reference to `MD4'
../modules/rlm_x99_token/.libs/rlm_x99_token.a(x99_pwe.o)(.text+0xde6): In
function `x99_pw_valid':: undefined reference to `MD5'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
rm -f .libs/radiusdS.o
gmake[4]: *** [radiusd] Error 1
gmake[3]: *** [common] Error 1
gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2
gmake[1]: *** [common] Error 1
make: *** [all] Error 2
error: Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.85465 (%build)


Why is this happining ?
I'm used to build packages with: openpkg build package
But this only works for release packages. How should I proceed with a packages
of current ?
Am I missing somthing ?  Do I need to download/build somthing from current to
mix release-21 and current packages ?

Thanks,

Alex


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Re: FreeRadius

2004-09-01 Thread Alexander Belck
I was checking my system trying to find out whats wrong.
I realy don't understand exactly where things come from, but perhaps this
information can help you to help me :-))

I search for references of DES_cbc_encrypt, where I found:
a) In /opkg/include/openssl/des.h is a definition of a function with that name
b) From RH7.3 I also have a des.h under /usr/include/openssl/des.h that do not
have that function defined.

Could it be that building freeradius it uses the wrong ver of des.h ?
I do not know if it should be using the headers from OPKG or RH, but I guess it
should be from OPKG as my servers are all from OPKG and if they need I guess
they use OPKG version of openssl.

Thanks for any tip that could bring me further.

Alex

Citando Ralf S. Engelschall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wed, Sep 01, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:

  I'm trying to install freeradius.
  I got freeradius-1.0.0-20040810.src.rpm from current, then:
 
  openpkg rpm --rebuild freeradius-1.0.0-20040810.src.rpm
  :
  ../modules/rlm_x99_token/.libs/rlm_x99_token.a(x99_mac.o)(.text+0x71): In
  function `x99_mac':
  : undefined reference to `DES_cbc_encrypt'
  ../modules/rlm_x99_token/.libs/rlm_x99_token.a(x99_pwe.o)(.text+0x3c4): In
  function `x99_pw_valid':: undefined reference to `MD4'
  ../modules/rlm_x99_token/.libs/rlm_x99_token.a(x99_pwe.o)(.text+0x5ea): In
  function `x99_pw_valid':: undefined reference to `MD4'
  ../modules/rlm_x99_token/.libs/rlm_x99_token.a(x99_pwe.o)(.text+0xde6): In
  function `x99_pw_valid':: undefined reference to `MD5'
  collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
  rm -f .libs/radiusdS.o
  gmake[4]: *** [radiusd] Error 1
  gmake[3]: *** [common] Error 1
  gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2
  gmake[1]: *** [common] Error 1
  make: *** [all] Error 2
  error: Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.85465 (%build)
 
 
  Why is this happining ?
  I'm used to build packages with: openpkg build package
  But this only works for release packages. How should I proceed with a
 packages
  of current ?
  Am I missing somthing ?  Do I need to download/build somthing from current
 to
  mix release-21 and current packages ?

 Well, the package is brand-new in OpenPKG-CURRENT and still not well
 tested. But it at least builds fine for me under FreeBSD 4. Under what
 OS are you trying to build this?

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Re: FreeRadius

2004-09-01 Thread Alexander Belck
But shouldn't openpkg use libs/headers from openpkg version ?

Why does it seams to be mixing the underlaying OS-stuff with the OPKG ones ?

From RH7.3 I have openssl-0.9.6b-35.7 and
from OPKG2.1 I have openssl-0.9.7d-2.1.0

It seams to me that when building it takes the headers from OpenPKG (thus
refering to DES_cbc_encrypt), but when linking it use the lib from RH7.3 where
it could not find this function.

Can I be interpreting this write ?
Any sugestion how to fix it ?

Thanks,

Alex

Citando Michael van Elst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 02:59:22PM -0300, Alexander Belck wrote:

  Could it be that building freeradius it uses the wrong ver of des.h ?

 It is either using the wrong des.h or the wrong crypto library.

 The names of the crypto API changed between openssl 0.9.6 and 0.9.7.

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OpenPKG servic status

2004-08-19 Thread Alexander Belck
When I run:

openpkg rc openldap status

I Got:

openldap_usable=unknown


As I understand the rc.openldap script, there is nothing changing the usability
status in the script.

So is it intended to by change by hand because this service doesn't provide a
eficient way to tell if it is usable or should ther be something like

openldap_usable=`slapd -t  /dev/null  echo Yes || echo No`

Thanks,

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Postfix

2004-08-17 Thread Alexander Belck
I compiled,configured and started OpenPKG postfix with aparently no errors, but
I Can't get positive connection nor any error.

When I : telnet localhost smtp I got:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# telnet localhost smtp
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.


but no, 220 myhost ESMTP response

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Apache and graceful

2004-08-12 Thread Alexander Belck
I'm using a project that whants to issue a apache graceful command.
In RH apache seams to be started/stoped/reloaded with apachectl comand

In OpenPKG rc.apache this actions seams to me be done by sending specific kill
signals to apache.

Can I still use apachectl graceful ?
Is there a better o equivalent way to dio this in OpenPKG ver of Apache ?

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OpenPKG perl and CPAN

2004-08-10 Thread Alexander Belck
I'm realy anewby with perl.
The install instruction of the project I whant to run I'm asked to update perl
with CPAN. The sequence I should do was:

perl -MCPAN -eshell
CPAN install MD5
CPAN install Bundle::CPAN

While trying to do this with OpenPKG version of perl I got a recursive error:

:
:
Writing /opkg/lib/perl/5.8.4/i686-linux/auto/Cwd/.packlist
Appending installation info to /opkg/lib/perl/5.8.4/i686-linux/perllocal.pod
  /opkg/bin/make install  -- OK

Recursive dependency detected:
Cwd
 = K/KW/KWILLIAMS/Cwd-2.20.tar.gz
 = File::Spec
 = K/KW/KWILLIAMS/File-Spec-0.88.tar.gz
 = Cwd.
Cannot continue.


Is this a perl::CPAN error or does I configured thanthing wrong in the 'perl
-MCPAN -eshell` configuration that leads to this error ?

At one step it asked for prefix I'm unshure how to set (used defaulte).

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Confused with static apache X IfModule

2004-08-10 Thread Alexander Belck
Again, I was using distros configuration files without knowing exactly whats
going on ;-(

Now I'm trying to get apache to run, and got to some problems.

The testpage refers to DocumentRoot that links to:
 /manual/mod/core.html#documentroot
Under the /manual/mod/ I found the Language versions of core.html, but my
browser gots a Not Found for core.html

So I checked for Language negotiation and found in apache.base:

IfModule mod_mime.c
TypesConfig   /opkg/etc/apache/mime.types
AddType   application/x-tar  .tgz
AddEncoding   x-compress   Z
AddEncoding   x-gzip   gz tgz
AddLanguage   da   .dk
AddLanguage   nl   .nl
:
:
/IfModule
IfModule mod_negotiation.c
LanguagePriority en da nl et fr de el it ja kr no pl pt pt-br ru ltz ca es
sv tw
/IfModule


My missunderstanding
In OpenPKG every thing is static and for apache I used --with_module to
staticaly compile a module in (So I thought), but I couldn't find any compiling
option for mod_mime or mod_negotiation eaven they should be there as I found
reference to them in opk version of apache.base.

Where am I thinking wrong ? Or what am I missing ?
Why doesn't apache returned some of the core.html.LANGUAGE file to me ?

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duplicated log

2004-08-10 Thread Alexander Belck
OpenPKG apache.base directs to do changes in apache.conf and overaid default
settings.

I tryed to change the default access.log and error.log destination including:
CustomLog  /isp/var/log/apache/access.log common env=!ignore_global_access
ErrorLog   /isp/var/log/apache/error.log

but know I got access.log written twice (one at the directory I told in
apache.conf and one in default /opkg/var/apache/log directory) and error.log
still in default directory

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Re: Perl

2004-08-06 Thread Alexander Belck
 I thought that being able to use the most up to date version of perl should
 avoid bug or security problems corrected in newer versions (while correct
 scripts should further run as the language syntax and standarts should not
 change).

 Yes, but it can also break existing scripts that depend on older versions
 of perl.  You're far better off to leave the original perl alone, letting
 existing scripts use the version they expect.  New things like ISPman can
 be built under the OpenPKG system where they will use the most current
 versions built in a consistent environment (not of of Red Hat's strong
 suits :-).


So how should I make ISPman use the OpenPKG perl ?
ISPman has about 100 perl scripts, constantly updating over cvs, and all start
with:

#!/usr/bin/perl

Can you suggest me what to do ?

Also, Ralf Engelschall replied to my environment saying thats OK just to run a
OpenPKG binary giving the full path, so coult I just use #!/opkg/bin/perl ?

I realy don't understant what is all done by /opkg/etc/rc --eval all env.
I see that the PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, MANPATH and INFOPATH are prepend with
/opkg_paths, but don't know if other things are changed.

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FreeRadius

2004-08-05 Thread Alexander Belck
Is there any plan to include FreeRadius in OpenPKG ?
It has manny new features, I guess its the only Open Source handling wireless
802.1x authentication and also supports many external authentications like
LDAP, MySQL, PgSQL, ...

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Re: FreeRadius

2004-08-05 Thread Alexander Belck
Where can I find this OpenPKG vers of FreeRadius ?

Can it easyly by upgradet to 1.0.0 and does it provide  --with-ldap ?

Thanks,

Alex

Citando Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, Aug 05, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:
 Is there any plan to include FreeRadius in OpenPKG ?
 It has manny new features, I guess its the only Open Source handling
 wireless
 802.1x authentication and also supports many external authentications like
 LDAP, MySQL, PgSQL, ...

 I've built freeradius-0.9.3 under OpenPKG, but haven't had any particular
 reason to update it as it's been Just Working(tm).

 The version I've done has been hacked to use a gdbm hash for password
 lookups from a private file to allow it to do *nix style authentication
 independent of the underlying system's password files.  I've also modified
 it to work with Annex 8000 RACs that have a broken checksum, and no easy
 way to get fixed software from Nortel.  These changes are selectable using
 normal package options, with_annex_md5_kludge and with_gdbm_passwd
 (although I haven't tested builds with these turned off).

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OpenPKG bind in chroot ?

2004-08-05 Thread Alexander Belck
I used to install bind in chroot mode running with a bind exclusive user.

1st) Is OpenPKG ver of bind chroot enabled (-t chrootdir) ?

2nd) opkg_bind uses opkg[-r] user.
 Does I gain more security using an distinct user and chrooting opkg_bind ?

3rd) What does option with_dlz enables ?

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Re: Perl

2004-08-05 Thread Alexander Belck
I don´t understand your point (or expirience).

For me, perl is just a interpretated programing languagues that is developed
independent of RH, Suse,Conectiva...

I whant to run ISPman, that use LDAP to hold ISP data and perl to mantain that
information. This project doesn´t presume that perl comes from distr A, B or C
(and I think that noone should do a propram in any language presuming that the
interpreter/compiler has been bundled by A, B or C).

I thought that being able to use the most up to date version of perl should
avoid bug or security problems corrected in newer versions (while correct
scripts should further run as the language syntax and standarts should not
change).

If I understand right you worries that some tasks of RH7.3 depends specificaly
on his perl distribution and changing /usr/bin/perl could render to problems.
Eaven I could not think where this can happen (I thought also I could upgrade
perl from the developers site independent if RH upgrades), presuming this
problems can happen with som script from RH, could I at least make the scripts
from ISPman use OpenPKG perl ?
If this sounds resonable could you point me out how to change the execution of
the main ISPman script (that invokes all other) to corretly prepare the
environment for OpenPKG ?

Thanks,

Alex


Citando Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, Aug 05, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm using linux too (but relative old RH 7.3) and I thought using OpenPKG
 wersions of softwares would give me a longer updated live. If my thinking is
 correct, I would like to use OpenPKG version of perl and not the RH73 one.

 That's probably a Bad Idea(tm) as RH 7.3 may well have things that depend
 on their particular version of perl and its associated modules.  One of the
 major advantages of OpenPKG is that the OpenPKG instance(s) are independent
 of the vendor's underlying packaging system and other installed software.
 I have systems running OpenPKG Release 2.0 under Caldera eDesktop 2.4 which
 is about the same vintage as RH 7.3 with good results.

 Leave the RH stuff alone, and use OpenPKG for everthing else.  Typically I
 set systems up so that root logins don't have the OpenPKG environment set
 by default to avoid problems with the vendor's maintenance scripts and
 updates.  I have to manually execute a command that invokes the OpenPKG
 eval when logged in as root.  This is less of a problem since OpenPKG
 Release 2.0 removed ``rpm'' from the PATH, but there are still potential
 problems if one has the OpenPKG executables in the PATH before the default
 system directories.

 Could I write a small script that I name /usr/bin/perl  with something like:
 
 #/bin/sh
 
 if [ OPKG-ENV_NOT_SET ]; then
/opkg/etc/rc --eval all env
 fi
 
 /opkg/bin/perl $*
 
 
 
 Also I don't know how to check if OPKG_ENV_NOT_SET. Should grabing opkg in
 $PATH
 be enouth ?
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alex
 
 Citando Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  On Thu, Aug 05, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:
  Some perl scripts use #!/usr/bin/perl
  
  Could I just symlink ln -s /opkg/bin/perl /usr/bin/ ?
 
  I've done this with links to /usr/local/bin/perl with reasonable
  success.  Most of the systems we use already have /usr/bin/perl
  (e.g. they're Linux).
 
  If the perl script is executed by a user that DO NOT have previosly run
  
  /opkg/etc/rc --evall all env
 
  This depends on whether the perl scripts make system() calls that depend
 on
  the PATH that's set (and spelling --eval correctly :-).  Most of the
  scripts I write check to see if the OpenPKG environment has been set, and
  if it hasn't, they set it explicitly.
 
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GCC problems

2004-08-04 Thread Alexander Belck
A few days ago I removed gcc from the underlying OS.

Today I tryed to rebuild apache in openpkg-2.1 and got following error:



./configure:Error: Building of 'patch' tool failed:
-
patch/rename.c
patch/util.c
patch/util.h
patch/version.c
patch/version.h
creating cache ./config.cache
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot
create executables.
make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
-
Hint: Either try to build 'patch' under etc/patch/
Hint: manually and re-run this 'configure' script
Hint: or provide us the path to your vendor 'patch'
Hint: program via the --with-patch=FILE option (but
Hint: expect perhaps failures when applying patches!)
+ exit 1
error: Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.66317 (%build)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] PKG]# openpkg rpm -q gcc
gcc-3.4.1-2.1.0


Does openpkg-gcc needs the underlaying OS-gcc ?

Or is ther some error in the apdated apache ?

What should I check ?

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Re: GCC problems

2004-08-04 Thread Alexander Belck
Looking for crt1.o (found in config.log from m4 --rebuild) I notice that it
realy was missing. Comparing with other RedHat instalation I found that this
comes from glibc-devel, that I also de-installed ;-(

So, after reinstalling glibc-devel I could rebuild m4 and my conclusion is that
I need to mantain glibc-devel from the underlaying OS (RedHat-7.3 for me).

Will try apachae now, so far its compiling :-)).

Thanks,

Alex

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 On Wed, Aug 04, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I don't understand why I need 2 compilers. If I have gcc in openpkg
  (to compile it the 1st time I used the RH gcc), isn't this gcc used
  for further compilations ?
 
 You don't need two compilers, and OpenPKG will indeed use the GCC in
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Courier IMAP

2004-08-04 Thread Alexander Belck
Is there any chance to have courier-imap for openpkg ?

The developers source comes with a .spec.

I tryed to convert it to a openpkg-1.3.spec last year with no success due my
poor understanding of all the options in a .spec file.

I would realy prefer a imap mailserver with mailbox comatible recipients that
I'm used to work with and lots of utilits to manage them.
Fiel afraid to migrate to cyrus (eaven it seams that lots of people use/like it)
and have to convert (don't know how) my existing mailboxes from +- 50 domains.

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Re: Courier IMAP

2004-08-04 Thread Alexander Belck
Citando Michael Schloh von Bennewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wed, Aug 04, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:
  Is there any chance to have courier-imap for openpkg ?
 
 Bill CAMPBELL graciously offered you the Courier IMAP package before,
 and you'll even find a OpenPKG 2.1 version if you look around a little.

Yes, but at that time it allready was a bit outdated and I couldn't
reuse/convert his .spec to a recent version of courier.src
I searched under ftp://ftp.openpkg.org/release/2.1/SRC/[PLUS] and couldn't
identify a package for courier. Is it renamed ?
Is there an other place to search ?


 I believe that the reason before that we didn't integrate this version is
 that it didn't meet all the OpenPKG package standards. I'll check to see
 if this is still the case.

I don't remember issues about this, but I hope if there where problems that they
could be resolved yet.


  I tryed to convert it to a openpkg-1.3.spec last year with no success due
 my
  poor understanding of all the options in a .spec file.
 
 If you really want it integrated into the OpenPKG package repository,
 then consider beginning with Bill's package (which just might need very
 few changes).

I realy couldn't do it before. His .spec was realy smaler than the one provided
by courier and I couldn't decide what could be taken out of the developers
.spec ;-(


  I would realy prefer a imap mailserver with mailbox comatible recipients
  that I'm used to work with and lots of utilits to manage them. Fiel afraid
  to migrate to cyrus (eaven it seams that lots of people use/like it) and
  have to convert (don't know how) my existing mailboxes from +- 50 domains.
 
 Good reason to stick with courier, although I can't speak from experience as
 to which brand more efficient is.

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Re: Courier IMAP

2004-08-04 Thread Alexander Belck
What is lint-*.pl ?
Is it a tool to automate a convertion of developers .spec to OpenPKG convention
.spec ?

If there is a way to convert the developer .spec to a OpenPKG .spec without real
understanding of all concepts and options of a .spec file I could try again to
convert the .spec

Thanks

Alex

Citando Michael Schloh von Bennewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wed, Aug 04, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:
  Citando Michael Schloh von Bennewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Bill CAMPBELL graciously offered you the Courier IMAP package before,
  and you'll even find a OpenPKG 2.1 version if you look around a little.
 
  Yes, but at that time it allready was a bit outdated and I couldn't
  reuse/convert his .spec to a recent version of courier.src
  I searched under ftp://ftp.openpkg.org/release/2.1/SRC/[PLUS] and couldn't
  identify a package for courier. Is it renamed ?
  Is there an other place to search ?
 
 There is no courier IMAP at all on the OpenPKG FTP server, so no that is not
 what I meant. I was referring to Bill's server, although I don't know just
 how public he wishes it to be.

  I believe that the reason before that we didn't integrate this version is
  that it didn't meet all the OpenPKG package standards. I'll check to see
  if this is still the case.
 
  I don't remember issues about this, but I hope if there where problems that
 they
  could be resolved yet.
 
 After looking at his .spec file again, I see that the 2.1 courier IMAP
 package heavily diverges from OpenPKG packaging standards.

 Although these standards are not yet well documented, the following
 can give an eager packager an early start.

   1  Install the openpkg-tools package
   2a Examine what you get (pay attention to lint-*.pl programs)
   2b [EMAIL PROTECTED] /opkg/bin/openpkg rpm -ql openpkg-tools
   3  Do something with it

 Just what to do with it? Maybe something like:

   [EMAIL PROTECTED] OPENPKG_PREFIX=/opkg OPENPKG_TOOLS_CMDPROG=/opkg/bin/openpkg \
   /opkg/bin/perl -I/opkg/lib/openpkg-tools/ \
   /opkg/libexec/openpkg-tools/cmd/lint-spec.pl \
   %_sourcedir/nmap/nmap.spec

 There is an easier way to do this, and it will be developed, tested, and
 documented in the near future. We are developing a contributor environment.

  I tryed to convert it to a openpkg-1.3.spec last year with no success due
 my
  poor understanding of all the options in a .spec file.
 
  If you really want it integrated into the OpenPKG package repository,
  then consider beginning with Bill's package (which just might need very
  few changes).
 
  I realy couldn't do it before. His .spec was realy smaler than the one
 provided
  by courier and I couldn't decide what could be taken out of the developers
  .spec ;-(
 
 A typical OpenPKG .spec is one or two hundred lines long with the longest at
 about four hundred lines. Just judging from the courier-imap.spec at almost
 six hundred lines indicates to me that it's a hefty package, probably hard
 to meet OpenPKG standards.

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Apache and PEAR

2004-07-27 Thread Alexander Belck
I'm still confused in using apache --with_php and having php installed.

I whant to be able to install HORDE in sites handled by APACHE.
HORDE needs PHP  PEAR.

In openpkg-2.0 I could compile apache --with_php_pear, but not simultaneosly php
--with_pear.

Now, in openpkg-2.1 apache does not accept --with_php_pear, but I can install
simultaneosly to apcahe, php compiled --with_pear.

Will the apache php module be able to use the PEAR compiled thru PHP ?

(Off-topic, but perhaps somebody can explain it to me). Why do I need to
versions for aparently the same code 1-apache_mod_php, the other is php itself.

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[leaf-user] Need advice to shoose solution

2004-07-27 Thread Alexander Belck
I need to connect several smal health offices to the center office in a secure
conection over the Internet.
I intend to use uBering as the firewall on each unit, but do not know what to
shoose to securely conect them.

There is stunel, pptp, IPSec, OpenVPN 

At the center office is a squid-proxy, the mail server and the database of the
administration software.
I think that only the access to the administration stuff must realy be secured,
as web and e-mail travels anyway over the unsecure internet.

I realy dont't know how to decide between them. Any guideline would be
apreciated.

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Re: Whoson patch not applaying on postfix

2004-07-26 Thread Alexander Belck
It still not apply correctly to me. From command:

/opkg/bin/openpkg rpm --define 'with_fdsetsize yes' --define 'with_ldap yes'
--define 'with_mysql yes' --define 'with_sasl yes' --define 'with_ssl yes'
--define 'with_whoson yes' --rebuild
ftp://ftp.openpkg.org/release/2.1/UPD/postfix-2.1.4-2.1.1.src.rpm

I got:


patching file src/util/sdbm.h
+ echo 'Patch #0 (postfix.patch):'
Patch #0 (postfix.patch):
+ /opkg/lib/openpkg/patch -p0 -s -b
+ cd pflogsumm-1.1.0
+ /opkg/lib/openpkg/patch -p0
patching file pflogsumm.pl
+ echo 'Patch #2 (postfix-2.1.4-whoson.patch):'
Patch #2 (postfix-2.1.4-whoson.patch):
+ /opkg/lib/openpkg/patch -p0 -s -b
3 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/util/Makefile.in.rej
error: Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.3 (%prep)


RPM build errors:
Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.3 (%prep)



And src/util/Makefile.in.rej contains:
***
*** 28,34 
vstream_popen.c vstring.c vstring_vstream.c watchdog.c writable.c \
write_buf.c write_wait.c auto_clnt.c attr_clnt.c attr_scan_plain.c \
attr_print_plain.c sane_connect.c neuter.c name_code.c \
-   uppercase.c
  OBJS  = alldig.o argv.o argv_split.o attr_print0.o attr_print64.o \
attr_scan0.o attr_scan64.o base64_code.o basename.o binhash.o \
chroot_uid.o clean_env.o close_on_exec.o concatenate.o ctable.o \
--- 28,34 
vstream_popen.c vstring.c vstring_vstream.c watchdog.c writable.c \
write_buf.c write_wait.c auto_clnt.c attr_clnt.c attr_scan_plain.c \
attr_print_plain.c sane_connect.c neuter.c name_code.c \
+   uppercase.c dict_whoson.c
  OBJS  = alldig.o argv.o argv_split.o attr_print0.o attr_print64.o \
attr_scan0.o attr_scan64.o base64_code.o basename.o binhash.o \
chroot_uid.o clean_env.o close_on_exec.o concatenate.o ctable.o \
***
*** 58,64 
vstream_popen.o vstring.o vstring_vstream.o watchdog.o writable.o \
write_buf.o write_wait.o auto_clnt.o attr_clnt.o attr_scan_plain.o \
attr_print_plain.o sane_connect.o $(STRCASE) neuter.o name_code.o \
-   uppercase.o
  HDRS  = argv.h attr.h base64_code.h binhash.h chroot_uid.h clean_env.h \
connect.h ctable.h dict.h dict_db.h dict_dbm.h dict_env.h \
dict_cidr.h dict_ht.h dict_ni.h dict_nis.h \
--- 58,64 
vstream_popen.o vstring.o vstring_vstream.o watchdog.o writable.o \
write_buf.o write_wait.o auto_clnt.o attr_clnt.o attr_scan_plain.o \
attr_print_plain.o sane_connect.o $(STRCASE) neuter.o name_code.o \
+   uppercase.o dict_whoson.o
  HDRS  = argv.h attr.h base64_code.h binhash.h chroot_uid.h clean_env.h \
connect.h ctable.h dict.h dict_db.h dict_dbm.h dict_env.h \
dict_cidr.h dict_ht.h dict_ni.h dict_nis.h \
***
*** 77,83 
split_at.h stat_as.h stringops.h sys_defs.h timed_connect.h \
timed_wait.h trigger.h username.h valid_hostname.h vbuf.h \
vbuf_print.h vstream.h vstring.h vstring_vstream.h watchdog.h \
-   auto_clnt.h attr_clnt.h sane_connect.h name_code.h
  TESTSRC   = fifo_open.c fifo_rdwr_bug.c fifo_rdonly_bug.c select_bug.c \
stream_test.c dup2_pass_on_exec.c
  DEFS  = -I. -D$(SYSTYPE)
--- 77,83 
split_at.h stat_as.h stringops.h sys_defs.h timed_connect.h \
timed_wait.h trigger.h username.h valid_hostname.h vbuf.h \
vbuf_print.h vstream.h vstring.h vstring_vstream.h watchdog.h \
+   auto_clnt.h attr_clnt.h sane_connect.h name_code.h dict_whoson.h
  TESTSRC   = fifo_open.c fifo_rdwr_bug.c fifo_rdonly_bug.c select_bug.c \
stream_test.c dup2_pass_on_exec.c
  DEFS  = -I. -D$(SYSTYPE)



Citando Thomas Lotterer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Sun, Jul 25, 2004, Bill Campbell wrote:
  On Sun, Jul 25, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:
  
  When compiling postfix with[_whoson yes ... patch does not apply]
  
  I posted a replacement patch for this yesterday or the day before. I
  think there's a new version of postfix in the CURRENT tree that fixes
  this.
 
 Yes, Ralf took Bill's patch and not only created a CURRENT package but
 did a MFC [1], too, resulting in a UPD package [2].

 [1] http://cvs.openpkg.org/chngview?cn=18269
 [2] ftp://ftp.openpkg.org/release/2.1/UPD/postfix-2.1.4-2.1.1.src.rpm

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Whoson patch not applaying on postfix

2004-07-25 Thread Alexander Belck
When compiling postfix with:

/opkg/bin/openpkg rpm --define 'with_fdsetsize yes' --define 'with_ldap yes'
--define 'with_mysql yes' --define 'with_sasl yes' --define 'with_ssl yes'
--define 'with_whoson yes' --rebuild
ftp://ftp.openpkg.org/release/2.1/SRC/postfix-2.1.4-2.1.0.src.rpm || exit $?

I got:

patching file pflogsumm.pl
+ echo 'Patch #2 (postfix-2.0.0.2-whoson.patch):'
Patch #2 (postfix-2.0.0.2-whoson.patch):
+ /opkg/lib/openpkg/patch -p0 -s -b
3 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/util/Makefile.in.rej
2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/util/dict_open.c.rej
error: Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.3254 (%prep)


RPM build errors:
Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.3254 (%prep)

Any idea whats wrong ?
Is this the right patch (postfix-2.0.0.2-whoson.patch) refered in the src.rpm ?

Thanks,

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Re: openpkg build -Ua question

2004-07-23 Thread Alexander Belck
I allready needed to reenter twice the openpkg build -Ua  upgrad.sh after
execution exited with error from previos upgrad.sh version.

Each time I generate a new upgrad.sh script, the sequence is altered.

Could it be that openpkg is unable to decide the apropriate order to upgrade all
packages from an instalation ?

Thanks again,

Alex


Citando Michael van Elst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 05:55:22PM -0300, Alexander Belck wrote:

  Is this constant use of --force normal ?

 The build tool will always use --force if it updates a package. This
 asks rpm to do two things:

 - to ignore if the package or a more recent version is already installed,
   the build tool already takes care of this issue and may make
   different decisisions.

 - to overwrite files that may belong to different packages. Here it is
   the OpenPKG developers who need to be careful that this is safe,
   usually by ensuring that there are no such file conflicts between
   packages.

  My poor expirience with rpm got to unstable rpm instalations when using
 --force.

 The second point can lead to instabilities if the packages aren't
 created carefully, but avoiding --force doesn't solve the problem
 of broken packages :)


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Ever rebuilding openpkg-2.1.0

2004-07-23 Thread Alexander Belck
After I build all packages (except postfix that doesn't compile), but shurly
twice the openpkg-2.1.0, if I run openpkg build -Ua it always whants to rebuild
openpkg-2.1.0.

Why is this happining ? openpkg-2.1.0 is already installed

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Re: static apache + mem question

2004-06-25 Thread Alexander Belck
Citando Michael van Elst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 07:29:30PM -0300, Alexander Belck wrote:

  There is realy a huge difference in size. The modular apche is about 300K,
 while
  the one I build in OpenPkg is about 6M. Normaly I see several instances of
  apache running (about 10 as setup in httpd.conf).
  I was wundering if using OpenPkg static version of apache will consume
 about 60M
  of my ram, or will it be smart enouth to share the common code and consume
  juste a bit more than 1 copy of apache ?

 It will share the common code but it won't share the data which
 also grows with the number of modules.

How can I avaliate the amount of memory efectivly used ?
I think that frequenly apache processes are just waiting for a connection and
will hope that in this situation the data reserved for all modules are relativly
small. They should only grow when some module is realy being used by an
webapplication and released again when the site/page is leaved.



  I'm afraid that OpenPkg static aproch isn't a good aproach for an (eaven
 small)
  ISP, where several instances of apache with lots of possible modules will
 be
  needed.

 Two observations:

 If your modular apache is about 300K then it doesn't load or use
 all the modules. So why build them into the static binary ?

I just looked at the size of /usr/sbin/httpd, I do not know how to check the
efective memmory used when running, where the necessary modules will be loaded
and obviosly much more ram will be used from the system.
Most modules are enabled, and also most time they are not used, but they are
avaible if someone whants to use them. As an ISP I could not say that I support
PHP, but do not offer lots of functions availble thru PHP.


 Building apache with all modules is a bad idea anyway. Most things
 served will be static pages, but the process serving static
 pages has to carry the weight of all the modules. You should think
 about a more flexible approach and use several apache instances
 together, each tailored for a specific purpose. With OpenPKG you
 can do this easily by creating several OpenPKG instances.

I agree that most pages will be static. But administrate lots of sites and
change them to diferent apache instances if/when some cliente tryes to use a new
functionality in his sites is, for me, unhandable.
To be able to compeet with hosting services offerd at prices as low as $3/month
I need to transfer all possible administration to the client. Thats why I'm
trying to use ISPMAN and for his requirments it seams apropriate to use OpenPKG
as the softwares are mostly uptodate, and on a normal distribution I offen got
problems to get the apropriate pre-requisits for the servers with
authentication and ldap requirements ISPMAN needs.



 N.B. Yes, this approach wastes disk space, but it helps a lot
 maintaining such an installation which is more important even
 for a small ISP.

Disk space I'm not warried about. But RAM is more expensive and sometimes
dificult to expand.

I whant to think that with static apache the response should be better as all
code is already loaded when some webapplications request there use (in modular
apache I think that the code will be loade just when the webapplication trys to
use it). I just need to know how this will impact my memmory needs.


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Apache + PHP + PEAR

2004-06-25 Thread Alexander Belck
As I'm unable to build apache --with=mod_php_pear I was wondering if I could do
something similar as done with modular apache.

In my previus instalations, I installed apache, then I downloaded a updated
version of PEAR from HORDE (since I couldn't upgrade enouth the pear package
from the distro) where I could use pear's setup utility to download and install
other new functions. To make this work from apache I just needed to add in
httpd.conf for the HORDE site

  php_value include_path '/usr/share/php:/usr/share/php/pear:.'

QUESTION:

Should it work if I just build OpenPkg --with=mod_php and than download HORDEs
PEAR into /opkg/lib/php/pear and add a

  php_value include_path '/opkg/include/php:/opkg/lib/php/pear:.'


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Re: static apache + mem question

2004-06-25 Thread Alexander Belck
Citando Michael van Elst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 08:51:45AM -0300, Alexander Belck wrote:


 As an ISP you should not run a single Apache with mod_php for more than
 one customer. PHP safe mode is a myth :-)

Do I need a hole new OpenPkg instalation with a diferent opkg_root to have
distingt apache builds (one with_mod_php, one without) and processes ?
How many client connections can a single apache process handle (simultaneos
browsing of one site) ?
I thoght that multiple apache processes could be activated if the number of
request require it and shuted down if to many are idle.

About security problems with php, are they just there for acessing sites where
php is enabled, or only to the persons with write publishing access to the
sites tree directory (that will mean that the ISP client has bad intensions to
exploit the php security flaus, not any unknown guy at the web) ?




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Apache + HORDE

2004-06-25 Thread Alexander Belck
I run the test script from horde over the apache I build with OpenPkg and it
complains of modules that I could not find in the apache.spec. Is there some
diferent name or can I install aditional php_modules ?

Horde_complains:
# MCAL Support: No
# Mcrypt Support: No

PEAR  *** That I expected, as I could not compile apache with=mod_php_pear

* PEAR - No
* Check your PHP include_path setting to make sure it has the PEAR library
directory.
* Recent PEAR - No
* Mail - No
* Log - No
* DB - No
* Net_Socket - No
* Date - No
* HTML_Common/HTML_Select - No

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Re: Apache + HORDE

2004-06-25 Thread Alexander Belck
I can't understand why your rpm -qi apache doesn't refer to mod_php_pear.
I build php with_pear support and apache with the modules except pear and
horde test page still complains for the absence of PEAR.

I saw that your apche has an php_mcrypt option, so I added it to my apache.spec
that compiled without complaining, but horde still does not recognize mcrypt
support

Alex

Citando Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Jun 25, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:
 I run the test script from horde over the apache I build with OpenPkg and it
 complains of modules that I could not find in the apache.spec. Is there some
 diferent name or can I install aditional php_modules ?

 I've built horde and imp SRPMS for OpenPkg Release 2.0 with the apache from
 current.  I can make these available if people are interested.

 First off, you need to build the current version of php with pear support.
 Next you need to build current apache with appropriate modules.  I've
 attached ``openpkg rpm -i apache'' output from one of our machines.

 Finally, you need to do a ``pear install Log'' on the installed system as
 that module isn't in the php with_pear module (I haven't taken the time to
 figure out php and pear enough to build OpenPKG rpms to add pear modules).

 At that point you should be ready to configure mysql, horde, and imp.

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apache mod_php_pear X php

2004-06-25 Thread Alexander Belck
Why does a static build of apache with_mod_php_pear conflicts with the static
build of php in OpenPkg 2.0 ?
I supose this is resolved in some way in the current branch, as Bill Campbell
was able to install php with_pear and apache in a way to satisfy HORDEs
requirement of pear.
Should this be downgraded to 2.0 breanch ?

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Re: static apache + mem question

2004-06-25 Thread Alexander Belck
From my running httpd using top I got:

  PID USER PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
 9169 nobody14   0 14504 9,9M  7936 S 1,7  8,2   0:14 httpd
 8773 nobody 9   0 14164 9976  6004 S 0,0  8,1   0:11 httpd
 9155 nobody 9   0 13992 9828  9220 S 0,0  7,9   0:10 httpd


What does this means ?
Is the size in Kb, so that my biggest httpd process is using 14Mb ?
What means RSS (it seams confusing to me since the first says 9,9M and the
second only 9976 about 1000 times smaler)

Thanks,

Alex

Citando Michael van Elst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 08:51:45AM -0300, Alexander Belck wrote:

 Hi,

  How can I avaliate the amount of memory efectivly used ?
  I think that frequenly apache processes are just waiting for a connection
 and
  will hope that in this situation the data reserved for all modules are
 relativly
  small. They should only grow when some module is realy being used by an
  webapplication and released again when the site/page is leaved.

 The memory is allocated once it is used and stays there until the
 apache process ends. You can configure the number of queries a
 single apache process should answer before it terminates. By default
 that is a few ten thousand requests.


   If your modular apache is about 300K then it doesn't load or use
   all the modules. So why build them into the static binary ?
 
  I just looked at the size of /usr/sbin/httpd, I do not know how to check
 the
  efective memmory used when running, where the necessary modules will be
 loaded
  and obviosly much more ram will be used from the system.

 This however is the important number. Check with 'ps' or 'top'.


  Most modules are enabled, and also most time they are not used, but they
 are
  avaible if someone whants to use them. As an ISP I could not say that I
 support
  PHP, but do not offer lots of functions availble thru PHP.

 As an ISP you should not run a single Apache with mod_php for more than
 one customer. PHP safe mode is a myth :-)


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Re: Apache and PHP

2004-06-24 Thread Alexander Belck
As I thought I need to enable all php options from apache and it gots a to long
line to type, I changed the options in apache.spec. Runing
openpkg rpm -qip apache-1.3.29-2.0.3.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm it shows:

apache::with_suexec = yes
apache::with_suexec_caller = opkg-n
apache::with_suexec_userdir = public_html
apache::with_suphp = yes
apache::with_suphp_caller = opkg-n
apache::with_suphp_phpcgi = /opkg/cgi/php
apache::with_mod_ssl = yes
apache::with_mod_perl = yes
apache::with_mod_php = yes
apache::with_mod_dav = yes
apache::with_mod_layout = yes
apache::with_mod_macro = yes
apache::with_mod_auth_ldap = yes
apache::with_mod_auth_mysql = yes
apache::with_mod_auth_pam = yes
apache::with_mod_gzip = yes
apache::with_mod_fastcgi = yes
apache::with_mod_throttle = yes
apache::with_mod_access_referer = yes
apache::with_mod_roaming = no
apache::with_mod_relocate = no
apache::with_mod_security = no
apache::with_mod_dosevasive = no
apache::with_mod_php_calendar = yes
apache::with_mod_php_mysql = yes
apache::with_mod_php_pgsql = yes
apache::with_mod_php_gd = yes
apache::with_mod_php_bdb = yes
apache::with_mod_php_debug = yes
apache::with_mod_php_pdflib = yes
apache::with_mod_php_zlib = yes
apache::with_mod_php_bzip2 = yes
apache::with_mod_php_ssl = yes
apache::with_mod_php_openldap = no
apache::with_mod_php_openldapsasl = yes
apache::with_mod_php_mm = yes
apache::with_mod_php_pcre = yes
apache::with_mod_php_ftp = yes
apache::with_mod_php_java = no
apache::with_mod_php_oci7 = no
apache::with_mod_php_oci8 = no
apache::with_mod_php_freetype = yes
apache::with_mod_php_gettext = yes
apache::with_mod_php_imap = yes
apache::with_mod_php_xml = yes
apache::with_mod_php_dom = yes
apache::with_mod_php_bc = yes
apache::with_mod_php_transsid = yes
apache::with_mod_php_curl = yes
apache::with_mod_php_mhash = yes
apache::with_mod_php_wddx = yes
apache::with_mod_php_gdbm = yes
apache::with_mod_php_versioning = yes
apache::with_mod_php_snmp = yes
apache::with_mod_php_odbc = yes
apache::with_mod_php_mbregex = yes
apache::with_mod_php_mbstring = yes
apache::with_mod_php_pear = yes
apache::with_mod_php_exif = yes
apache::with_mod_php_iconv = yes
apache::with_mod_php_sendmail = yes
apache::with_gdbm_ndbm = yes
apache::with_shared_core = no
apache::with_shared_chain = no
apache::with_debug = no
apache = 1.3.29-2.0.3

I hope this helps you to help me ;-(

Alex


Citando Thomas Lotterer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wed, Jun 23, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:

 Alex,

  To build apache with php it requires php, so I build and installed php
 first.
 
 only the with_suphp requires the php package. Even mod_php uses the php
 that is embedded into the apache package and does not require the php
 package.

   openpkg rpm -Uhv /opkg/RPM/PKG/apache-1.3.29-2.0.3.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm
  Preparing...###
 [100%]
  file /opkg/bin/php from install of apache-1.3.29-2.0.3 conflicts
 with
  file from package php-4.3.4-2.0.0
 
  What am I doing wrong ?
 
 I tried to reproduce the problem but failed. Building
 apache-1.3.29-2.0.3 with_suphp, with_mod_php or both does not produce a
 $PREFIX/bin/php file. Which options are you using? Please send me the
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Re: Apache and PHP

2004-06-24 Thread Alexander Belck
Finaly I know how to reproduce the conflict between apache and php reporting:

/opkg/RPM/PKG/apache-1.3.29-2.0.3.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm
Preparing...### [100%]
file /opkg/bin/php from install of apache-1.3.29-2.0.3 conflicts with
file from package php-4.3.4-2.0.0

This come up after building apache --with=mod_php_pear


I realy don't know how to proceed. I need to (at least) be able to install
HORDE, so I presum I need the php_modules allowing database access (mysql,
pgsql), imap access, , and specificaly I know that HORDE checks for some
modules of pear (So far I know, pear is growing fast and have his own module
instalation process).

I realy don't know witch pear_modules are build when compiling apache
--with=mod_php_pear and if I will be able to install new modules from pear when
they become avaible/needed.

For now I just whant to be able to have an apache+php capable tu run HORDE.

Thanks,

Alex



Citando Alexander Belck [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 As I thought I need to enable all php options from apache and it gots a to
 long
 line to type, I changed the options in apache.spec. Runing
 openpkg rpm -qip apache-1.3.29-2.0.3.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm it shows:

 apache::with_suexec = yes
 apache::with_suexec_caller = opkg-n
 apache::with_suexec_userdir = public_html
 apache::with_suphp = yes
 apache::with_suphp_caller = opkg-n
 apache::with_suphp_phpcgi = /opkg/cgi/php
 apache::with_mod_ssl = yes
 apache::with_mod_perl = yes
 apache::with_mod_php = yes
 apache::with_mod_dav = yes
 apache::with_mod_layout = yes
 apache::with_mod_macro = yes
 apache::with_mod_auth_ldap = yes
 apache::with_mod_auth_mysql = yes
 apache::with_mod_auth_pam = yes
 apache::with_mod_gzip = yes
 apache::with_mod_fastcgi = yes
 apache::with_mod_throttle = yes
 apache::with_mod_access_referer = yes
 apache::with_mod_roaming = no
 apache::with_mod_relocate = no
 apache::with_mod_security = no
 apache::with_mod_dosevasive = no
 apache::with_mod_php_calendar = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_mysql = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_pgsql = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_gd = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_bdb = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_debug = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_pdflib = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_zlib = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_bzip2 = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_ssl = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_openldap = no
 apache::with_mod_php_openldapsasl = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_mm = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_pcre = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_ftp = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_java = no
 apache::with_mod_php_oci7 = no
 apache::with_mod_php_oci8 = no
 apache::with_mod_php_freetype = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_gettext = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_imap = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_xml = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_dom = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_bc = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_transsid = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_curl = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_mhash = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_wddx = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_gdbm = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_versioning = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_snmp = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_odbc = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_mbregex = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_mbstring = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_pear = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_exif = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_iconv = yes
 apache::with_mod_php_sendmail = yes
 apache::with_gdbm_ndbm = yes
 apache::with_shared_core = no
 apache::with_shared_chain = no
 apache::with_debug = no
 apache = 1.3.29-2.0.3

 I hope this helps you to help me ;-(

 Alex


 Citando Thomas Lotterer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  On Wed, Jun 23, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:
 
  Alex,
 
   To build apache with php it requires php, so I build and installed php
  first.
  
  only the with_suphp requires the php package. Even mod_php uses the php
  that is embedded into the apache package and does not require the php
  package.
 
openpkg rpm -Uhv /opkg/RPM/PKG/apache-1.3.29-2.0.3.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm
   Preparing...###
  [100%]
   file /opkg/bin/php from install of apache-1.3.29-2.0.3 conflicts
  with
   file from package php-4.3.4-2.0.0
  
   What am I doing wrong ?
  
  I tried to reproduce the problem but failed. Building
  apache-1.3.29-2.0.3 with_suphp, with_mod_php or both does not produce a
  $PREFIX/bin/php file. Which options are you using? Please send me the
  full command line.
 
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static apache + mem question

2004-06-24 Thread Alexander Belck
Now that I'm geting near to have apache build, I did some comparision with
previus instalations (using distros modular apache).

There is realy a huge difference in size. The modular apche is about 300K, while
the one I build in OpenPkg is about 6M. Normaly I see several instances of
apache running (about 10 as setup in httpd.conf).
I was wundering if using OpenPkg static version of apache will consume about 60M
of my ram, or will it be smart enouth to share the common code and consume
juste a bit more than 1 copy of apache ?

I'm afraid that OpenPkg static aproch isn't a good aproach for an (eaven small)
ISP, where several instances of apache with lots of possible modules will be
needed.

I apreciate any comments.

Thanks,

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Re: Package dependency missing ?

2004-06-23 Thread Alexander Belck
I looked at the link, but couldn't figure out what I need to install as RH7.3
isn't installed. From Fedora it seams to need XFree86-* packages (that I
thought to be servers), and I have already the following XFree86 packeges
installed:


Xaw3d-1.5-12
XFree86-4.2.1-13.73.23
XFree86-xfs-4.2.1-13.73.23
xdelta-1.1.3-5
xinetd-2.3.11-1.7x
XFree86-libs-4.2.1-13.73.23
XFree86-base-fonts-4.2.1-13.73.23
XFree86-font-utils-4.2.1-13.73.23



Can you give me further direction what I should install ? Do I need -devel
packeges too ?

I'm still confiused about which part of X is the client and wich is the server

Thanks,

Alex


Citando Thomas Lotterer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Tue, Jun 22, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:

 Re Alex!

  Due to build perl-* I tryed to build x11 with
  openpkg build x11 | sh
 
  where I got a lot of errors starting with:
 
  
  **  ERROR: SOME X11 INFORMATION COULD NOT BE DETERMINED!!
  [...]
  **  Unfortunately, some information is missing here.
  [...]
 
 Currently OpenPKG does not have it's own X11 libraries, neither client
 nor server. Therefore the OpenPKG x11 package searches the OS for X11
 client libraries and tells other packages requiring that information
 where to find it.

  What should I do ? What have I missed ?
 
 You need to install the X11 client libraries provided by your OS
 vendor. Our release engineering maintains a list of Operating
 System Prerequisites which logs what we installed in both a human
 readable format and a machine generated package list. Find it at
 http://cvs.openpkg.org/getfile/openpkg-re/osprereq.txt

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Apache questions

2004-06-23 Thread Alexander Belck
I'm trying to build apache for a small ISP. Previosly I relayed on distribution
pre-build/choosen modules (seams to be preety all) and have no complains of
clients.
With OpenPkg I must choose by my one, where I am afraid to let something out
that someone could be using.
I tried to build with common options plus nearly all php options, where apache
requires j2se.

But who provides j2se ?

Can someone help me to select apropriate apache options ?

Also most distros now come with apache-2.x.y.
Why does OpenPkg doesn't provide an new release of apache ?

Can I have php, postfix, perl, etc... from OpenPkg and still use apache from the
underlaying OS ?

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More problems with apache

2004-06-23 Thread Alexander Belck
1) php-imap requires imap but I whant to use cyrus (as courier isn't avaible in
OpenPkg)

   As I pretend to use horde, that access an imap-server using php, I think I
   need php-imap, but I do not pretend to use Whashingtons imap implementation.
   Is this just a compile prerequisit ?

2) openldap - sasl - apache  chicken-and-egg problem

   As I pretend to use ISPman, that administrats most ISP stuff in LDAP, I
   need all athentications agains ldap. So sasl needs the ldap module to allow
   servers authenticat (finaly) to ldap using sasl.
   I also whant that apache be able to authenticate to ldap, but OpenPkg
   requires openldap::with_sasl. I can not build openldap with_sasl as I need
   to build sasl with_ldap ??

Thanks,

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More from apache

2004-06-23 Thread Alexander Belck
To overcome sasl x openldap I removed php_ldap and at least it trys to build
apache, but I got the following Warning:

!!*** APXS was not found, so mod_suphp will not be built! ***!!

at the end apache was build and a rpm -qip apache-...rpm includes:
  apache::with_suphp = yes

Does I miss some prerequisit again ?
Is mod_suphp build eaven with the above  messages ?

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Apache and PHP

2004-06-23 Thread Alexander Belck
To build apache with php it requires php, so I build and installed php first.

After compiling apache, when I try to install it I got:

 openpkg rpm -Uhv /opkg/RPM/PKG/apache-1.3.29-2.0.3.ix86-rhl7.3-opk.rpm
Preparing...### [100%]
file /opkg/bin/php from install of apache-1.3.29-2.0.3 conflicts with
file from package php-4.3.4-2.0.0


What am I doing wrong ?

Sorry so many questions about apache, but I've never compiled it and realy got
this huges number of questions while trying ;-(

Thanks again

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Re: What happens to openpkg-tools in 2.0 ?

2004-06-22 Thread Alexander Belck
I couldn't find the openpkg-tools source in any of the 2.0 ftp directories.

I do found a package in the CURRENT branche with this name.
Should I use this one ?
Is it intencionaly not in the 2.0 branch ?

I'm not upgrading, I'm installing 2.0 from scratch, so how should I proceed if
the sources for 2.0 do not provide the openpkg-tools. Is there an other
sugested way to get the packages and all there dependencies for building ?

Thanks,

Alex

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 On Mon, Jun 21, 2004, Alexander Belck wrote:

  To build the packages I used openpkg-tools in ver 1.3 that could check
  dependencies and build them first if needed.
 
 OpenPKG 1.x had openpkg-tool and OpenPKG CURRENT (to be used for
 2.0, too) has openpkg-tools (note the 's'). Find more details
 searching http://cvs.openpkg.org/openpkg-re/upgrade.txt for
 openpkg-tool. I just updated that document to reflect the
 change from openpkg-tool to openpkg-tools where appropriate.
 See http://cvs.openpkg.org/chngview?cn=17592.

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RH7.3 and OpenPKG 2.0

2004-06-22 Thread Alexander Belck
Should I expect any known problem using OpenPKG over RH-7.3 ?

I have a lot done to build a HA cluster between two RH-7.3 and whant use the
servers like OpenLdap, Apache, Postfix from OpenPkg-2.0.

So far I build tha basic openpkg-2.0.3 rom source, openpkg-tools and gcc with no
problems, but whant to know what kind of problems I should expect going on with
this configuration.

Thanks,

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Howto build with_option

2004-06-22 Thread Alexander Belck
What is the sintax for `openpkg build foo` and have it use something like:
  -define with_zlib yes or if possible a short way like -D with_zlib

Is it possible to get the same options used when upgrading a package ? How ?

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Package dependency missing ?

2004-06-22 Thread Alexander Belck
Due to build perl-* I tryed to build x11 with
openpkg build x11 | sh

where I got a lot of errors starting with:


**  ERROR: SOME X11 INFORMATION COULD NOT BE DETERMINED!!
**  ERROR: SOME X11 INFORMATION COULD NOT BE DETERMINED!!
**
**  We found out:
**X11 Binary  Directory:
**X11 Include Directory:
**X11 Library Directory:
**
**  Unfortunately, some information is missing here.
**
**  ERROR: SOME X11 INFORMATION COULD NOT BE DETERMINED!!
**  ERROR: SOME X11 INFORMATION COULD NOT BE DETERMINED!!

+ exit 1
error: Bad exit status from /opkg/RPM/TMP/rpm-tmp.36899 (%install)


What should I do ? What have I missed ?

Thanks,
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