Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-05 Thread Youness Alaoui
Alright, you might be right on that one, you keep it up this way, but could you at least wait a little for more input before coding it ? like Harry's proposition for example (if you want to wait no more than 2 days, then say so in the mail) Anyways, I leave all matters to you, I'm sure you'll

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-05 Thread Vivia Nikolaidou
I'm with you Karel. You are doing a good job and you are closely following the HIG. I'm sure that, if you had suggested these changes in here, we'd end up discussing and never coding, get messed in a homemade bureaucracy, and menus would end up being a huge mess, following contrasting opinions

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-05 Thread Karel Demeyer
Op do, 04-05-2006 te 13:50 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: > On Thu, 04 May 2006 05:45:55 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 12:46 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: > >> On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:25:00 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> >

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-05 Thread Karel Demeyer
I personally think this doesn't really work for this kind of project. It was shown before that if you propose something but not trn it into code it keeps being discussedd all over again and after all nothing happens or the one with the original idea and motivation loses interest. Also, when you don

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-05 Thread Karel Demeyer
What about having some ordened UI that can be reviewed later on by them ? It will take less time for those ppl and make us have less negative response too imo. If you wanna sound somewhat "professional" this wouldn't hurt and they'd might take you more serious. I found out a KDE HIG is in teh wo

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-05 Thread Lee Olson
On 5/5/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: wow, cool, that would be just perfect! I think someone will need to help them get exactly what we need, who wants to work with them ? are we going to use openusability ? I think we should register our project with OpenUsability. It's a good

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-05 Thread Youness Alaoui
wow, cool, that would be just perfect! I think someone will need to help them get exactly what we need, who wants to work with them ? are we going to use openusability ? KKRT On Thu, 04 May 2006 21:38:43 -0400, Karol Krizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 04 May 2006 10:51, Youness

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-04 Thread Karol Krizka
On Thursday 04 May 2006 10:51, Youness Alaoui wrote: > Not sure about what to think about all that, but I just want to comment on > the fact that those 'professionals' wrote that as a guideline for generic > apps, they didn't do it having amsn in mind, so you shouldn't think of > their *guidelines*

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-04 Thread Youness Alaoui
ok, now my head hurts.. I agree with you too.. but I already said, with my zero UI design skills, I can't really decide, you should decide both of you, and write that specs... I only have one comment though, Karel, I saw you put your changes in CVS, and as I already said, it's a great thing t

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-04 Thread Youness Alaoui
Not sure about what to think about all that, but I just want to comment on the fact that those 'professionals' wrote that as a guideline for generic apps, they didn't do it having amsn in mind, so you shouldn't think of their *guidelines* as being true at 100%, keep an open mind... KKRT O

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-04 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Thu, 04 May 2006 05:45:55 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 12:46 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:25:00 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Op di, 02-05-2006 te 20:32 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: >> Clear should be i

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-04 Thread Karel Demeyer
Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 12:46 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: > On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:25:00 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Op di, 02-05-2006 te 20:32 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: > >> Clear should be in edit, not chat... > > I doubed this as this action clears the chat.

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-04 Thread Karel Demeyer
OK, here I go again; In our Chatwindow, nor in any window of aMSN that needs menus, we'reworking on files. The first menu should be about the "object" you work on in that particular window. In a word-processor/filemanager, you are working on (a) file(s), so this menu is called "File". In a chat

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-04 Thread Karel Demeyer
I'm ok with removing the "webcam setup" item. I also didn't feel like having it in there but didn't want to remove functionality you might be used to. Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 12:46 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: > On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:25:00 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-03 Thread Harry Vennik
Ok, chatwindow menu's are far from perfect now, so I do support Karel's proposal to make them better, but I do not like the menu's he proposed either. Instead of a lengthy mail with all kinds of arguments, I'd like to make my own proposal how I'd do it. I'll add a few remarks at the end. Okay,

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-03 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:37:35 -0400, Ismael Asensio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2006/5/3, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have just one comment. How about moving > View Chat history > view Webcam History > Into the view part? A view menu is the menu where the visual appereance of the d

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-03 Thread Youness Alaoui
On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:25:00 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Op di, 02-05-2006 te 20:32 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: Clear should be in edit, not chat... I doubed this as this action clears the chat. it's like in a word-processor, if you want a new fresh file to start with

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-03 Thread Ismael Asensio
2006/5/3, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have just one comment. How about moving > View Chat history > view Webcam History > Into the view part? A view menu is the menu where the visual appereance of the document you're working on and the surrounding UI can be changed. It's mostly mist

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-03 Thread Karel Demeyer
Op di, 02-05-2006 te 20:32 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: > Clear should be in edit, not chat... I doubed this as this action clears the chat. it's like in a word-processor, if you want a new fresh file to start with, this command is in "file". Also it's more like "close chat" to start over so i

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-02 Thread Karel Demeyer
Op di, 02-05-2006 te 18:17 -0700, schreef Karol Krizka: > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:13, Karel Demeyer wrote: > > Hereby I present you my idea for a reorganisation of the chatwindow > > menus; Please check this and discuss what you dislike. As my proposal > > for the cl-context menus, it follows t

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-02 Thread Youness Alaoui
I also think view menu.. but yes, it is ambiguous... try opening a multi convo (use me as dummy), and click any 'single user' thing... like properties, view profile, etc... KKRT On Tue, 02 May 2006 21:17:36 -0400, Karol Krizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:13, Karel D

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-02 Thread Karol Krizka
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:13, Karel Demeyer wrote: > Hereby I present you my idea for a reorganisation of the chatwindow > menus; Please check this and discuss what you dislike. As my proposal > for the cl-context menus, it follows the Gnome HIG. If you like these > proposals, I'll do more of 'm

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-02 Thread Youness Alaoui
Clear should be in edit, not chat... I don't understand "New chat ..." what should it do ? same as "Send message" from actions menu in CL ? webcam setup doesn't have its place in edit menu... some stuff should be more explicit, like 'add to list' could become 'add all participants to my contac

Re: [Amsn-devel] chatwindow menus

2006-05-02 Thread Karel Demeyer
Hmm .. this one misses "open saved files and fotos" which I should place underneath "view webcam history". Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 01:13 +0200, schreef Karel Demeyer: > Hereby I present you my idea for a reorganisation of the chatwindow > menus; Please check this and discuss what you dislike. As m