crooner;162284 Wrote:
Right now I am getting fantastic sound out of my SB3+DAC combo. But
given the quality of the rest of my equipment, would it be worthwile to
upgrade to a transporter? If so, I would have little need to keep the
Lite Audio DAC.
I have no idea whether a TP would sound
The only way to know is to try a TP in your system. Don't they still
have the 30 day trial?
Right now I am getting fantastic sound out of my SB3+DAC combo. But
given the quality of the rest of my equipment, would it be worthwile to
upgrade to a transporter? If so, I would have little need to
Mike Anderson;162283 Wrote:
I'd bet that only the most golden ears are capable of discerning any
difference at that level (and by golden ears I mean people with very
active imaginations).
I actually find hearing the differences in my system to be quite
easy...no need for golden ears, but
And now the one thing I am sure of is how confused I am. These have been
some very excellent, informative, and occaissionally entertaining
comments. I am beginning to think the Transporter may be the more
elegant solution, BUT an SB3 with a good DAC might sound just as good,
and allow for more
They are both good options. The Squeeze Box packs a remarkable amount
of bang for the buck. $300 for a Squeeze Box, a grand for a Lavry or
Benchmark, and you will have great sound. I can't imagine wanting to
swap out either DAC.
The Transporter has other things going for it: two sets of
Thanks for the advice!
Yeah, why change it if it sounds great as it is?
However, I have a few 96 KHz files ripped from DVD-As (from my own
collection) and I believe the TP will be able to reproduce them.
In any case, can't complain about 2006, it has been good to me.
Looking forward to another
jhm731;161975 Wrote:
How many DACs have you tested with the Transporter to reach this
conclusion?
None - I don't have a TP.
PhilNYC seems to think his Dodson DAC is better than the Transporter's
DAC.
Sleestack doesn't think it's total waste to use the TP as a transport.
He uses TPs
highdudgeon;162012 Wrote:
And, hey, they're only over $10k. Lavry makes a $9k unit, if you're
looking at things like that. Before you get there, though, you'd
better make damn sure you have out-of-this-world speakers and
electronics. Out of this world.
As for the technical level thing,
opaqueice;162050 Wrote:
None - I don't have a TP.
The one thing which is totally obvious is that people's opinions of how
things sound vary tremendously, which means they are an extremely
unreliable guide. Therefore I prefer to winnow down the number of
options I consider using
simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
Then why add an external DAC to a carefully engineered product?
The wordclock method should eliminate (or at least very greatly reduce)
jitter, but it is still at best equal to the setup inside the TP. So
this DAC had better be superior to the
opaqueice;162050 Wrote:
In this case the DAC is receiving a noisy signal and has an additional
disadvantage before it can even equal the TP. Of course there may be
DACs out there that can do this, or that simply have analogue stages
that sound better to some people, but that would be the
opaqueice;162073 Wrote:
Then why add an external DAC to a carefully engineered product?
The wordclock method should eliminate (or at least very greatly reduce)
jitter, but it is still at best equal to the setup inside the TP.
This depends on the quality of the clock/oscillator being
Konig,
But, really, I defy you to tell any difference. I have a lavry and
have had up to three DACs in my place at the same time. Usually, it
takes somewhat experienced ears to tell the difference. I've heard the
Lavry Gold, which runs $9-$8k or so, and there is precious little
difference
highdudgeon;162129 Wrote:
2. First and foremost, get your room and speaker sorted out. Study your
speaker's characteristics. Learn about speaker placement (look at
articles on Allison rules). Learn about room measurement and look
into, at the very least, EQ based on measurement and,
It's called typing too quickly!
PhilNYC;162137 Wrote:
Why is First and foremost listed as #2? ;-)
But interestingly, it was prior to getting my room and speaker
placement sorted out that I found myself not hearing much difference
between things like the TP and my DAC. Getting the room
highdudgeon;162129 Wrote:
Konig,
But, really, I defy you to tell any difference. I have a lavry and
have had up to three DACs in my place at the same time. Usually, it
takes somewhat experienced ears to tell the difference. I've heard the
Lavry Gold, which runs $9-$8k or so, and there
Ah.
Time for some speakers...!
Konig;162183 Wrote:
im using stax omega 2 headphones. i had no speakers. i need a
transporter bcoz i dont even have a transport. I already have the dac.
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highdudgeon
Relax. It's about the music.
You don't have a TP, and you haven't compared it's DAC to any other
DACs, but you feel qualified to give people advise. LOL.
opaqueice;162050 Wrote:
None - I don't have a TP.
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jhm731
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Oh this is normal. Many people who'd never listened to a mod often felt
qualified to trash them. LOL..
jhm731;162214 Wrote:
You don't have a TP, and you haven't compared it's DAC to any other
DACs, but you feel qualified to give people advise. LOL.
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95bcwh
highdudgeon;162188 Wrote:
Ah.
Time for some speakers...!
Time to rob a bank for a new house, new speakers and some pleasant
gifts to my mum so she doesnt complain about the noise
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jhm731;162214 Wrote:
You don't have a TP, and you haven't compared it's DAC to any other
DACs, but you feel qualified to give people advise. LOL.
I've never dunked my head into a bucket of urine, and yet I nonetheless
feel qualified to advise people it's a bad idea. While it may come as a
Okay, this has got to be the funniest retort (and sage, too) that I have
ever read on this forum!
opaqueice;162271 Wrote:
I've never dunked my head into a bucket of urine, and yet I nonetheless
feel qualified to advise people it's a bad idea. While it may come as
a shock, there are such
bluesdoc;161532 Wrote:
So what do you think? for best SOUND quality would you think Squeezebox3
plus DAC (eg. Benchmark or equivalent), vs Transporter alone, vs
Transporter plus DAC (which might be overkill? or not?) thanks in
advance. BluesDoc
Hey!!! Is that you JS? Glad to see you over
I have a pretty decent system (see signature and pic below). I am
currently using an ummodded SB3 with the Power One linear PS. The DAC
is a Lite Audio DAC60 (BB 1704 based, 6922 outputs) with upgraded
coupling caps (Sonicaps with bypass).
I am not willing to get rid of my preamp since I also do
Thanks tomjtx.
This about says it all except... if you aren't going to use the
Transporter's DAC then why buy it? You'd be better off saving your
money and buying a SB3 and using that along with an external DAC.
MC
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ModelCitizen
Now what?
Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s.
Music catalog:
tomjtx;161677 Wrote:
IMO it would be a waste of money to use the TP to feed an external DAC
since I don't think there is a DAC out there that is better.
If you want to use an external DAC you can save a lot by using it with
an SB
FWIW, I use my Transporter with an external DAC (Dodson
Unless you get your TP modded, perhaps the best sound quality would be
an analog modded SB direct to amplifier. Eliminate the external DAC.
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rajacat
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bluesdoc...what does the rest of your system look like?
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PhilNYC
Sonic Spirits Inc.
http://www.sonicspirits.com
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Phil,
I forgot.. do you have a modded SB2??? I must admit that the stock
SB2 with stock Walwart sounded flat and liveless to me.
PhilNYC;161739 Wrote:
FWIW, I use my Transporter with an external DAC (Dodson DA-218). And it
sounds far better than my SB2 + Dodson.
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95bcwh
I think Tom, who is about as stand-up a guy as you will find here, in
addition to one with an outstanding reference system and the trained
ears of a professional musician, has disproved this notion. Using a
Bolder full mods SB2 -- which incidentally works out to being
slightly more expensive
95bcwh;161822 Wrote:
Phil,
I forgot.. do you have a modded SB2??? I must admit that the stock
SB2 with stock Walwart sounded flat and liveless to me.
I have an Elpac power supply, but otherwise the SB2 is unmodded. Am
currently using my SB2 in my office system together with a modified
My fully modded (analog/digital)platinum Sonicap upgrade SB3 will be
delivered any day now. I did not go for the Bybees. Total cost = $475 +
shipping. I have a Bolder modded Power One power supply ($2.50 + $100
for mods). I built my own power cord for the SB3 using silver wire. My
total expenses
Gawd. My experience. You'd be hard pushed to find something that sounds
better than than the Trannsporter.
MC
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ModelCitizen
Now what?
Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s.
Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt
To my ears, I greatly preferred the SQ of the stock SB3/Mhdt
Constantine dac to the SQ of the stock SB3 analog outs. The stock SB3
SQ is fairly pedestrian.
Raja
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tomjtx;161677 Wrote:
I agree with MC but I don't mean this to answer for him.
The TP has a great DAC . I haven't heard better. i've compared it to
the Lavry DAC
(which many like better than the Benchmark).
I like the TP better than the Lavry. I think the 2 are so close it may
just be a
Which is what makes the Benchmark and Lavry such great values. Again,
if they're good enough for top mastering studios...they're probably
good enough for home use. You owe it to yourself to try one, if
possible.
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highdudgeon
Relax. It's about the music.
rajacat;161863 Wrote:
To my ears, I greatly preferred the SQ of the stock SB3/Mhdt
Constantine dac to the SQ of the stock SB3 analog outs. The stock SB3
SQ is fairly pedestrian.
Raja
I'm with rajacat on this one also, the Constantine is in a class of its
own. Rajacat, how did you connect
NewBuyer;161931 Wrote:
I'm with rajacat on this one also, the Constantine is in a class of its
own. Rajacat, how did you connect the two - with coax or optical?
Coax. If you read this forum regularly, it would seem that the Lavry,
Benchmark and the Dodson are the only dacs on the market.
bluesdoc;161532 Wrote:
So what do you think? for best SOUND quality would you think Squeezebox3
plus DAC (eg. Benchmark or equivalent), vs Transporter alone, vs
Transporter plus DAC (which might be overkill? or not?) thanks in
advance. BluesDoc
To answer part of your question, on a
I am pretty interested in Bluesdoc's question
I have SB3 + Perpetual Technology P1/P3 it sounds very good.
Now purely on aesthetics, the transporter appeals -looks great to me
love idea of dual display. but £1300 is hard for me to justify.
...but if it sounded better I could persuade
I think it really comes down to personal taste and the type of sound you
prefer.
In my system the Transporter sounds distinctly different to SB3 plus
lavry, benchmark or Belcanto DAC2. Out of these 3 combos I would say
the SB3 plus the Belcanto DAC2 sounds the closest to the Transporter
tone
opaqueice;161971 Wrote:
To answer part of your question, on a technical level it's almost
certainly a bad idea to connect the transporter to an external DAC.
The reason is that any S/PDIF connection will induce jitter into the
digital signal, so the external DAC will be receiving a much
And, hey, they're only over $10k. Lavry makes a $9k unit, if you're
looking at things like that. Before you get there, though, you'd
better make damn sure you have out-of-this-world speakers and
electronics. Out of this world.
As for the technical level thing, how about getting technical and
LOLI am so glad I asked this question (my first posting!) and so
happy to see there is total unanimity G. It reassures me that I was
not missing something obvious to all. And that there is still room for
subjective experience. Once my head stops spinning from the excellent
comments, I'll have
These things are subjective, as you see, despite underlying technical
issues that are objective indeed.
Here's my take on it: a SB3 is good. From what I understand, modded
SB3s are equal or somewhat better. According to Tom, some mods
approach the Transporter. Anyway, the Transporter is a lot
highdudgeon;162016 Wrote:
These things are subjective, as you see, despite underlying technical
issues that are objective indeed.
Here's my take on it: a SB3 is good. From what I understand, modded
SB3s are equal or somewhat better. According to Tom, some mods
approach the Transporter.
As for the aesthetics, that is a personal choice. I personally prefer
elegant looking components. As for sound, that is personal, too. I
prefer not to void warranties, if possible, and I, along with others,
strongly doubt any mod is going to match the output of a lavry,
benchmark, or mytek.
bluesdoc;161532 Wrote:
So what do you think? for best SOUND quality would you think Squeezebox3
plus DAC (eg. Benchmark or equivalent), vs Transporter alone, vs
Transporter plus DAC (which might be overkill? or not?) thanks in
advance. BluesDoc
Personally I far prefer the sound of the
WellI'm not suggesting you're wrong, and I certainly don;t know
differently, and please only take this in the best interest of
objectivity, but how do you know this for certain? thanks
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bluesdoc;161672 Wrote:
WellI'm not suggesting you're wrong, and I certainly don;t know
differently, and please only take this in the best interest of
objectivity, but how do you know this for certain? thanks
I agree with MC but I don't mean this to answer for him.
The TP has a great DAC
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