Sheesh, you people must not have enough to do. Wish I had had the day off
today. 8^)
I wanted to thank Gautam and John for their replies and assure them that I
will answer them as soon as I find the time and energy - I worked a long
day today. And I wanted to thank Byron for stirring things u
At 07:46 PM 2/16/04, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: "Trent Shipley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist
? How can you not be a literalist and pick on
At 07:36 PM 2/16/04, William T Goodall wrote:
Well, it's that post-scarcity economics thing. Not quite Banks' Culture
but getting there. Housing, education, medicine, pensions are all wrapped
up in the basic citizens' package. Someone can not work a day in their
lives and be housed, fed, entert
>
> Interesting.
>
> Do you have any background on what appear to be survey results?
>
> The discrepancy is between 42% agreeing that the Bible is the actual Word
of
> God and responses of 60% to 64% of respondents beliving that any
*specific*
> Genesis narrative is literally true.
>
> The "face v
Dan Minette wrote:
I'm going to be doing some analysis using numbers, but I want to be sure
that there isn't an arguement on what a Christian fundamentalist is. I'd
say that a Christian fundamentalist is one who, when asked:
Which of these statements comes closest to describing your feelings abou
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Politics and Motivations
> --- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 02:17:39PM -0800, Gautam
On Monday 2004-02-16 18:46, Dan Minette wrote:
> OK, let me quote some numbers:
>
> .
>
> "I'm going to ask about a few stories in the Bible. [See below.] Do you
> think that's literally true, meaning it happened that way word-for-word; or
> do you think it's meant as a lesson, but not to be
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 06:30:06PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> No kidding. Low taxes are preferable to high taxes. That does not
> mean that zero taxes are preferable to low taxes.
Actually, by the principle of induction, it implies just that, unless
you define absolute values for "low" and
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 02:17:39PM -0800, Gautam
> Mukunda wrote:
> Not always. Some taxes provide services that
> increase freedom. For
> example, taxes that support schools that provide a
> good education
> for anyone, regardless of wealth. Without tha
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From: "Trent Shipley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist
? How can you not be a literalist and pick one over two?
> >
> > Dan M.
>
> One coul
Well, it's that post-scarcity economics thing. Not quite Banks' Culture
but getting there. Housing, education, medicine, pensions are all
wrapped up in the basic citizens' package. Someone can not work a day
in their lives and be housed, fed, entertained and cared for to a basic
package that i
On Monday 2004-02-16 18:10, Dan Minette wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "iaamoac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist
>
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > What is the proper scientific way to say that an
> >creature looks similar
> > to a Terran animal? Analogous (sp)?
> Saem
> Superfluous Analogous Evolutionary Match.
>
> ..but that's just off the top of my imagination.
I thought on
> > Most Catholics would choose the first statement.
>
> Why not the second? How can you not be a literalist
> and pick one over two?
Perhaps he's saying that many Catholics are not
self-aware enough of their religion, and therefore
take a literalist stance without actually bothering to
know wha
> Except that MiG 21s, F-5s etc are seriously
> obsolete, and no more
> threatening than a Cessna Citation (less, given the
> availability of
> parts for Cessnas). A MiG 29 is a modern, capable
> fighter designed to
> take on the current inventory of the USN and most of
> the USAF, with some
>
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From: "iaamoac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I'm going to b
Damon Agretto wrote:
It seems like if it's not on eBay, it's not worth
buying :-)
Mig 29 Fighter JET as new LOOK
People have been selling MiG 21s, F-5s, etc for years
domestically in the US, I see nothing unusual about
this. IIRC I saw a pic of an F-5 in LAPD colors!
Except that MiG 21s, F-5s etc
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From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: Federal Marraige Amendment
> At 11:46 AM 2/16/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote:
> >It also strikes me as odd for the US Consti
> It seems like if it's not on eBay, it's not worth
> buying :-)
>
> Mig 29 Fighter JET as new LOOK
People have been selling MiG 21s, F-5s, etc for years
domestically in the US, I see nothing unusual about
this. IIRC I saw a pic of an F-5 in LAPD colors!
Damon.
=
---
It seems like if it's not on eBay, it's not worth buying :-)
Mig 29 Fighter JET as new LOOK
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In a message dated 2/16/2004 5:19:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Subj: Re: Politics and Motivations
> Date: 2/16/2004 5:19:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 02:17:39PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> Low taxes are preferable to high taxes because low taxes giving
> Americans more freedom to do as they wish. High taxes erode freedom,
> low taxes expand them.
Not always. Some taxes provide services that increase freedom. For
exa
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 02:17:39PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> Ashcroft has done any significant abrogation of the basic rights of
> citizens, and he has _never_ claimed that everyone who disagrees with
> him is un-american.
Gautam, they called their anti-rights law "Patriot Act". That certain
As it seems people have missed the last part of my post...here it is again..
please scroll right to teh bottom :)
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From: "Kevin Tarr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: Star Trek Poli
On Monday 2004-02-16 15:05, iaamoac wrote:
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > I'm going to be doing some analysis using numbers, but I want to be
>
> sure
>
> > that there isn't an arguement on what a Christian fundamentalist
>
> is. I'd
>
> > say that a C
Kevin Tarr wrote:
>
> Think about Tasha Yar's homeworld. If I recall correctly, an earth colony
> that fell into decades of chaos. The people stopped being altruistic. And
> if the government on Earth was truly communism I doubt the downfall would
> last as long as it did. It seems that the time be
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I don't see how
> permitting two adults who love each other to
> solemnize that love in a legal
> relationship can possibly "threaten" the institution
> of marriage; if anything, it
> shows just how strong the belief in marriage is. And
> besides, what's more
>
On 16 Feb 2004, at 3:22 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote:
From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:29:05 -0500 (EST)
Travis Edmunds wrote:
>Metallica fan eh? Ca
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So when Ashcroft and the administration attempt to
> abrogate basic citizens
> rights that have existed for a long time that is
> "the american way"? When
> Ashcroft accuses anyone who disagrees of being
> anti-american, this is the
> american way? Come on Ga
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I'm going to be doing some analysis using numbers, but I want to be
sure
> that there isn't an arguement on what a Christian fundamentalist
is. I'd
> say that a Christian fundamentalist is one who, when asked:
>
> Which of th
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From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: education bias
coasts?
>
> Well, I'm thinking of good schools not on the east coast or west coast,
> and Rice is certainly a
Kevin Tarr wrote:
>
> I'm hearing a radio commercial; don't know if it's local or national. The
> woman says "I want a house with good schools. Schools that will make my
> sons smart. Like Socrates...but without the toga. Smart enough to get into
> the best schools on the east or west coasts." I c
"Robert J. Chassell" wrote:
>
> but that was *nothing* compared to the discussion about sex in the
> Japanese restaurant...
>
> Please tell us about the discussion. (You can ignore the sex; some of
> us know about sex. Who were the people at the restaurant? What did
> you say? What wa
I'm going to be doing some analysis using numbers, but I want to be sure
that there isn't an arguement on what a Christian fundamentalist is. I'd
say that a Christian fundamentalist is one who, when asked:
Which of these statements comes closest to describing your feelings about
the Bible? The Bi
Michael Harney wrote:
>From: "Jim Sharkey"
>> A forum I frequent has been having a discussion of how one
>>would describe the political system of the United Federation of
>>Planets. It seems to me to combine traits of two systems I
>>generally don't think of as compatible, that is almost a sor
From: "Kevin Tarr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At 02:47 PM 2/16/2004, you wrote:
>
>
> >From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >
> > > First, the question is: "Should marriage be redefined to include
> >homosexual
> > > unions as well as heterosexual unions?" And indeed, given the
cur
At 02:47 PM 2/16/2004, you wrote:
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> First, the question is: "Should marriage be redefined to include
homosexual
> unions as well as heterosexual unions?" And indeed, given the current
> judicial environment, the question can be taken one step furth
> Assuming that democracy and communism are oposites
> is false. Democracy is a
> system of government, whereas communism is an
> economic model. The reason
> the two are usually incompatible is because the
> people of a democracy
> generally don't trust the government with un-checked
> power, a
I'm hearing a radio commercial; don't know if it's local or national. The
woman says "I want a house with good schools. Schools that will make my
sons smart. Like Socrates...but without the toga. Smart enough to get into
the best schools on the east or west coasts." I can miss the gender bias,
From: "Michael Harney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> It was definitely a solid movie. A little too much potty humour for my
> tastes though, and I thought that the beginning was a bit slow. The
> animation was a little uneven, though, especially of the human
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At 05:27 PM 2/15/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
> >> That, and the fact that Shrek is on TV tonight :-)
> >
> >Good movie, hope you don't have to watch it on network...
>
> Yes, it was on NBC last night.
>
> It was definitely a solid movie. A
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> First, the question is: "Should marriage be redefined to include
homosexual
> unions as well as heterosexual unions?" And indeed, given the current
> judicial environment, the question can be taken one step further "Does our
> civilization have a
From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> A forum I frequent has been having a discussion of how one would
> describe the political system of the United Federation of Planets.
> It seems to me to combine traits of two systems I generally don't
> think of as compatible, that is almost a sort of
At 09:58 AM 2/16/2004, you wrote:
From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Star Trek Politics
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:22:10 -0500 (EST)
A forum I frequent has been having a discussion of how one would
describe the
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> As I have hinted earlier, if I were forced to cast a vote, I would vote in
> favor of the "Federal Marriage Amendment." This is despite the fact, as
> noted earlier, that I don't particularly buy into the argument that gay
> marriage is this immine
At 01:12 AM 2/16/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
> This week Tenat said
>that "analysts never said there was an imminent threat" yet prior to the
>war, Administration officials including the President repeatedly made the
>case that there was (quotes available upon request.)
That's funny bec
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Politics and Motivations
> --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I respect your opinion, and understand that t
At 11:46 AM 2/16/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote:
>It also strikes me as odd for the US Constitution to be delegrating how
>state constitutions
>and laws are to be interpreted. Isn't there supposed to be some firm
>separation between
>state and government powers? This seems to be trying to cross a
I tend to agree with you guys here on this one however after i thought about
it for a few more minutes I realised that i was making a top post..
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From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:28 AM
Subject:
In a message dated 2/16/2004 11:19:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If they honestly
> believe that tax cuts (for example) are good for most
> Americans, then using American values to justify them
> is an honest (and effective) rhetorical argument.
> Again, the problem yo
In a message dated 2/16/2004 10:26:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'm not comfortable with amending the Constitution willy-nilly. And I
> find it ironic that the group pushing hardest for amendments lately (at
> least in my perception) are titled "conservatives".
>
but that was *nothing* compared to the discussion about sex in the
Japanese restaurant...
Please tell us about the discussion. (You can ignore the sex; some of
us know about sex. Who were the people at the restaurant? What did
you say? What was mortifying? {think `were I writing a nove
At 09:51 AM 2/16/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>So we were wrong. We were wrong in Libya too, but in
>the exact opposite direction. We had _no idea_ that
>their WMD program was advanced as it was.
And in Iran.
And in the DPRK.
And in Pakistan.
And in India.
And in Iraq in 1991.
Shall I
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I respect your opinion, and understand that this is
> the way you understand
> the situation. I hope that you can read the
> following and try to
> understand the reasons I disagree with you and
> perhaps try to convince me
> that I'm wrong in a m
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From: "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?
> (In its fundamentals, science is a form of transcultural communication
> in which you use forms of argument that c
Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked
Is there a difference between marketing and debate?
Yes. Debate occurs when both want to discover a truth. Marketing
implies that the marketer knows more than the consumer.
I too prefer being on the recieving end of an "I-message" ...
until I
Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
And sometimes there is just no way a mind will be changed on a
particular subject if you keep arguing with that person; when that
happens, the best thing to do is move on and try not to discuss
that subject.
Interestingly, the mainstre
Travis Edmunds wrote:
>Ever hear any Niccolo Paganini?
Heard of, yes. Heard, I don't think so, though if memory serves,
Malmsteen used to fancy himself Paganini's musical descendant. I
saw him open for Maiden at the Philadelphia Spectrum back
in...late '86 or early '87. Pretty good stuff, t
From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:33:37 -0500 (EST)
Travis Edmunds wrote:
>Just to name a few that I'm into though, how about:
I dug a lot of the
http://www.thisiscinerama.com/comics/20040216.html
--
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/
"A bad thing done for a good cause is still a bad thing. It's why so
few people slap their political opponents.
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man
and a woman. Neither this Constitution or the Constitution of any State,
nor state or Federal Law, shall be construed to require that marital status
or the legal incidents thereof b
Travis Edmunds wrote:
>Just to name a few that I'm into though, how about:
I dug a lot of the bands on your list, though I feel Nirvana is
overrated, a couple of your bands I'd never heard of, and I can't
get into Silverchair, White Lion or Papa Roach. I liked that
Manowar made your list; I r
At 10:57 AM 2/16/2004, you wrote:
My firewall has noted a lot of requests by sites I don't recognize to
connect during the past few minutes. Is there something new out there, or
is it possible someone just now got around to opening his
M-y-D-o-o-m-infected mail and it is responsible. Anyone e
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I think you aren't looking closely enough. As I
> said, the conservative uses
> different language so lack of respect will come out
> in different ways. Use of
> buzz words that convey an allegiance to "american
> values" to obscure actions
> that are harmful to ma
My firewall has noted a lot of requests by sites I don't recognize to
connect during the past few minutes. Is there something new out there, or
is it possible someone just now got around to opening his
M-y-D-o-o-m-infected mail and it is responsible. Anyone else seeing
anything like this on t
At 09:24 AM 2/16/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
>I'm not comfortable with amending the Constitution willy-nilly. And I
>find it ironic that the group pushing hardest for amendments lately (at
>least in my perception) are titled "conservatives".
I would ordinarily agree with you. Unfortuantely
From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:29:05 -0500 (EST)
Travis Edmunds wrote:
>Metallica fan eh? Care to divulge any other bands you like?
Sure. I'd
"John D. Giorgis" wrote:
> Nevertheless, I think that we also need to come to grips, however, with the
> fact that as recent court decisions have sparked debates on these laws and
> Constitutional amendments that the pro-homosexual marriage side of the
> debate has been losing these debates quite
From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FOOLish
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:10:11 -0600
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From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Star Trek Politics
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:22:10 -0500 (EST)
A forum I frequent has been having a discussion of how one would
describe the political system of the United Fede
As I have hinted earlier, if I were forced to cast a vote, I would vote in
favor of the "Federal Marriage Amendment." This is despite the fact, as
noted earlier, that I don't particularly buy into the argument that gay
marriage is this imminent threat to heterosexual marriages.
Anyhow, for th
In a message dated 2/16/2004 1:54:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, ulyss
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Suppose I was arguing about motives from results in
the same way? Let's look at welfare.
I agree with much of your analysis on welfare but I believe that the debate
was colored on both sides by selfish
A forum I frequent has been having a discussion of how one would
describe the political system of the United Federation of Planets.
It seems to me to combine traits of two systems I generally don't
think of as compatible, that is almost a sort of democratic
communism. I'd be interested in se
At 05:27 PM 2/15/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>> That, and the fact that Shrek is on TV tonight :-)
>
>Good movie, hope you don't have to watch it on network...
Yes, it was on NBC last night.
It was definitely a solid movie. A little too much potty humour for my
tastes though, and I tho
At 02:21 AM 2/15/2004 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>My problem with that is, it enshrines discrimination in the very founding
>document of a country that supposedly believes in and celebrates liberty.
That is your *only* problem with it?Seriously?
This after all, is the same Constitution th
At 01:52 AM 2/15/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote:
>That said, while the MA SJC ruling is an amazing breakthrough, I wonder if
>it will in some ways harm the gay marriage cause almost as much as help it.
>The effect that the ruling is having is that it is having a polarizing
>effect and getting gay-
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From: "Bryon Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?
> >From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 04:32:36PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
> > > From: "Erik
Bryon Daly wrote:
>I'm betting odds that John's reply will target judicial
>activism. :-)
Hehe, that's certainly against traditional conservative thought,
yes. I don't think I'll take that bet, though it is possible that
John's strong Catholic background also influences his opinion.
*Grabs
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:31:46AM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote:
> Pardon me if I'm prying here, but are you rejecting intimate
> relationships in general, or just dismissing his argument? It seems
> the former, but
No, argument was o
Gautam wrote:
Similarly with the WMD thing. I don't think the Bush
Administration relied upon WMDs because they were
contemptuous of the American public. They did because
they provided a clear and unmistakeable justification
_in front of the UN_. And they were forced to go to
the UN by people w
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