On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>
>> On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, John Williams wrote:
>>>
Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I also like the one that goes "One has two
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
> On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, John Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>
I also like the one that goes "One has two ears and one mouth, and
should use them in that pro
On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, John Williams wrote:
>
>> Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>>> I also like the one that goes "One has two ears and one mouth, and
>>> should use them in that proportion".
>>
>> Don't forget the ten typing fingers.
>
>
On 15 Oct 2008 at 11:37, William T Goodall wrote:
> It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto.
>
> Obvious Maru
You posted a Manifesto?
AndrewC
Yes, I went there Maru
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
What will cause people to leave this list is
>> trolls who have nothing better to do than exhibit their
>> asperger's syndrome...
jon
>
>>> Just for the record, I have Asperger's, and I
>> don't act like a Troll (usually). Bad choice of
>> as
On 21 Oct 2008, at 00:04, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
What will cause people to leave this list is
>> trolls who have nothing better to do than exhibit their
>> asperger's syndrome...
jon
>
>>> Just for the record, I have Asperger's, and I
>> don't act like a Troll (usually). Bad choice of
>
> > >What will cause people to leave this list is
> trolls who have nothing better to do than exhibit their
> asperger's syndrome...
> > >jon
> > Just for the record, I have Asperger's, and I
> don't act like a Troll (usually). Bad choice of
> aspersions there.
> > Olin
sorry olin, i was general
Ditto. Grrr... is a Billy Goat Gruff walking on MY bridge?
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> Subject: Re: Monotonous posting
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:43:02 -0700
>
> >What will cause people to leave this li
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Sent: 10/20/2008 3:28 PM
Subject: Monotonous posting
>> It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto.
>&
>> It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto.
>> Obvious Maru
> what manifesto?
> oblivious maru...
> I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic
> posting, but I'm growing increasingly concerned that many of your
> postings are a distraction and offensive
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, John Williams wrote:
> Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> I also like the one that goes "One has two ears and one mouth, and
>> should use them in that proportion".
>
> Don't forget the ten typing fingers.
Vs. 2 eyes for reading. Hm
Julia
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> I also like the one that goes "One has two ears and one mouth, and
> should use them in that proportion".
Don't forget the ten typing fingers.
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On 20 Oct 2008, at 02:51, Lance A. Brown wrote:
> William T Goodall said the following on 10/19/2008 7:27 PM:
>>> First rule of dealing with trolls: Don't Feed The Troll.
>>
>> That's a very sound policy I've been following for years. Don't post
>> in a thread you don't like, especially to compl
On 20 Oct 2008, at 02:05, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:24 PM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> Or, and this is my preference, just drop it. You are completely
> wrong; the
> numbers don't lie.
Of course you prefer not be shown to be wrong. I think it's ver
William T Goodall said the following on 10/19/2008 7:27 PM:
>> First rule of dealing with trolls: Don't Feed The Troll.
>
> That's a very sound policy I've been following for years. Don't post
> in a thread you don't like, especially to complain that you don't like
> it.
Did I say I didn't l
On 20 Oct 2008, at 01:51, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
>>
>> So my posts obviously didn't contribute to that decline since I
>> stopped making them. That leaves Nick's threats of censorship as an
>> explanation.
>
>
> And
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:24 PM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> On 19 Oct 2008, at 22:48, Nick Arnett wrote:
> > During the weeks following my post, we had abnormally high activity
> > -- more
> > than two standard deviations from the mean. One of those weeks, we
> > were at
> >
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> So my posts obviously didn't contribute to that decline since I
> stopped making them. That leaves Nick's threats of censorship as an
> explanation.
And since there was no decline, but rather an extremely unusual in
On 20/10/2008, at 11:11 AM, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
>>
> I've always loved the quote from Abraham Lincoln:
>
> Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and
> remove all doubt.
If it was indeed Lincoln that penned it. It's also been attributed to
Mark Twain, Oscar Wilde an
Julia Thompson wrote:
> That's just me. And, well, I have an underdeveloped sense of tact; at
> least 2/3 of whatever might be perceived as "tact" in me is actually my
> keeping my mouth shut when in doubt. (If you do that in person, but stay
> attentive to the conversation, you may end up wit
On 20/10/2008, at 10:50 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
> Sometimes some folks have problem spotting the troll.
Yep. Sneaky at times, them trolls. And there's a subtle difference
between someone trolling purely maliciously, and someone yanking a
chain in order to hold a mirror up to someone else's
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008, Lance A. Brown wrote:
>
>
> Olin Elliott said the following on 10/19/2008 5:59 PM:
>> Or maybe it was because each one of his "monotonous posts" elicit
>> dozens of responses from people telling him how monotonous and
>> irritating he is. I find everyone's responses to Will
On 19 Oct 2008, at 22:59, Olin Elliott wrote:
>> Maybe the posts have dropped off because people got so damn sick of
>> your
>> monotonous posts.
>
> Or maybe it was because each one of his "monotonous posts" elicit
> dozens of responses from people telling him how monotonous and
> irritati
On 19 Oct 2008, at 22:15, Dave Land wrote:
> William,
>
> Nick never threatened to censor you, however much you wish to
> interpret
> his email that way. He expressed concern "that your posts were a
> distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate"
>
> Seems he was right.
>
>
On 20 Oct 2008, at 00:01, Lance A. Brown wrote:
>
>
> Olin Elliott said the following on 10/19/2008 5:59 PM:
>> Or maybe it was because each one of his "monotonous posts" elicit
>> dozens of responses from people telling him how monotonous and
>> irritating he is. I find everyone's responses to
On 19 Oct 2008, at 22:48, Nick Arnett wrote:
> During the weeks following my post, we had abnormally high activity
> -- more
> than two standard deviations from the mean. One of those weeks, we
> were at
> more than five standard deviations above the mean.
Obviously controversy always causes
Olin Elliott said the following on 10/19/2008 5:59 PM:
> Or maybe it was because each one of his "monotonous posts" elicit
> dozens of responses from people telling him how monotonous and
> irritating he is. I find everyone's responses to William, and the
> energy that goes into villainizing him
n
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Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: monotonous posting
William,
Nick never threatened to censor you, however much
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:05 PM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
> Indicating that my fears that Nick's threats of censorship would
> discourage posting were fully justified.
There's a lot I'd LIKE to say in response, but I'll just let the cold, hard
facts -- the numbers -- tell
William,
Nick never threatened to censor you, however much you wish to interpret
his email that way. He expressed concern "that your posts were a
distraction and offensive to some who might otherwise participate"
Seems he was right.
Maybe the posts have dropped off because people got so damn sic
William T Goodall wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2008, at 12:04, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>
>>> It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto.
...
> On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote:
>
>> I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic
>> posting, but I'm growing incr
On 19 Oct 2008, at 12:04, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>> It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto.
>> Obvious Maru
>
> what manifesto?
> oblivious maru...
On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote:
> I don't think we've ever moderated anybody for frequent off-topic
> posting, bu
> It's been very quiet here since the thought police manifesto.
> Obvious Maru
what manifesto?
oblivious maru...
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On 15 Oct 2008, at 12:34, William T Goodall wrote:
>
> On 15 Oct 2008, at 02:04, David Hobby wrote:
>
>> William T Goodall wrote:
>>> On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote:
I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your
position on the list to intimidate
> William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> William T Goodall wrote:
> >>> I don't know who wrote:
> >>> I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your
> >>> position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you
> >>> do not agree and that this behaviou
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> At 09:18 PM Tuesday 10/14/2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
>
>
>
>> At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a
>> message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose.
>> It *does* happen sometimes.
>>
>
>
>
> I wondered if
At 09:18 PM Tuesday 10/14/2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
>
>At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a
>message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose.
>It *does* happen sometimes.
I wondered if that was what happened.
History Repeats Itself
On 15 Oct 2008, at 02:04, David Hobby wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>> On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote:
>>> I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your
>>> position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you
>>> do
>>> not agree and th
On 15 Oct 2008, at 02:04, David Hobby wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>> On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote:
>>> I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your
>>> position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you
>>> do
>>> not agree and th
Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
>
> At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a
> message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose.
> It *does* happen sometimes.
>
No, I think he means that the financial system crashed because
the USA abandoned God and became
Dan M wrote:
> Nick Wrote
>
>> Non sequitur?
>>
>
> I bet Willie will insist that it was a sequitur.
>
> Dan M.
>
At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a
message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose.
It *does* happen sometimes.
R
Nick Wrote
>
> Non sequitur?
I bet Willie will insist that it was a sequitur.
Dan M.
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William T Goodall wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote:
>> I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your
>> position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do
>> not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might
>> o
On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:10, William T Goodall wrote:
>
> I'm growing increasingly concerned that you are trying to use your
> position on the list to intimidate and silence those with whom you do
> not agree and that this behaviour could be offensive to some who might
> otherwise participate.
>
See
>I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority.
>I, for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run
amok,yawn, and hit Delete.
I second that lack of emotion.
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At 09:33 AM Thursday 8/21/2008, Lance A. Brown wrote:
>Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> > If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you?
>
>He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in
>telepathy. :-)
>
>The Amazing William Maru
>
>--[Lance]
I was being
On 21 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Olin Elliott wrote:
> The list has now been dominated by this discusion for much longer
> than seems reasonable. It is much more distracting than William's
> posts.
It does seem an enormous amount of fuss about one or two posts per
week. That's why I don't believ
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic.,monotonous posting (was
Child-killing religion))
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Lance A. Brown <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>wrote<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Ronn! Blankenship
On 21 Aug 2008, at 18:13, Max Battcher wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>> There are no 'technical or procedural' reasons for objecting to my
>> posts on the matter of religion: it's an attempt by some to silence
>> the expression of views they don't like plain and simple.
>
> Are you kidding?
William T Goodall wrote:
> There are no 'technical or procedural' reasons for objecting to my
> posts on the matter of religion: it's an attempt by some to silence
> the expression of views they don't like plain and simple.
Are you kidding? This is entirely about technical/procedural
objecti
On Aug 21, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Bruce Bostwick
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> William's objection
>>
>> seems to be that the decision to moderate him
>
>
> There has been no such decision. We remain extremely reluctant to
> moderate
> anybod
On 21 Aug 2008, at 16:19, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
> I haven't weighed in on this yet because I'm sort of a newbie on this
> list, and there's probably history to this that I'm missing, but I'm
> very familiar with lists where I'm not especailly interested in (or
> necessarily agree with) every pos
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Bruce Bostwick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
William's objection
>
> seems to be that the decision to moderate him
There has been no such decision. We remain extremely reluctant to moderate
anybody, for the very reasons you cite.
There is discussion, which is nec
I haven't weighed in on this yet because I'm sort of a newbie on this
list, and there's probably history to this that I'm missing, but I'm
very familiar with lists where I'm not especailly interested in (or
necessarily agree with) every post I get on every list. Some are
offensive, some a
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Lance A. Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> > If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you?
>
> He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in
> telepathy. :-)
>
> The Amazing William Maru
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> If they are indeed _silent_, what makes you think they agree with you?
He's a mind reader. Doesn't believe in religion, but does believe in
telepathy. :-)
The Amazing William Maru
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Pat Mathews wrote:
> I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I, for
> one, see another news article on some cult or its members run
> amok,yawn, and hit Delete.
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At 08:38 AM Thursday 8/21/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
>On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:07, Pat Mathews wrote:
>
> >
> > I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I,
> > for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run
> > amok,yawn, and hit Delete.
> >
> > Just though
On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:07, Pat Mathews wrote:
>
> I can't speak for other members of the list's silent majority. I,
> for one, see another news article on some cult or its members run
> amok,yawn, and hit Delete.
>
> Just thought you'd want to know.
>
What makes you think you're part of the l
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> Subject: Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was
> Child-killing religion))
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:55:55 +0100
>
>
> On 21 Aug 2008, at 11:04, Charlie Bell wrote:
>
> >
> > On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wro
On 21 Aug 2008, at 00:47, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>> On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote:
>>
>>
>>> By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> And I'm not even the most frequent poster!
>>
> You are, however, the most monotonous an
On 21 Aug 2008, at 11:04, Charlie Bell wrote:
>
> On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
>>
>> Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are
>> quite old but still not settled.
>
> But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that
> reinforce
William T Goodall wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote:
>
>
>> By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic.
>>
>>
>
>
> And I'm not even the most frequent poster!
>
You are, however, the most monotonous and boring.
--
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[EMAI
On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
>
> Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are
> quite old but still not settled.
But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that
reinforce your worldview.
>
> The silent majority on the list love
On 20 Aug 2008, at 21:04, Dave Land wrote:
> William,
>
> If you have something new to contribute to the discussion, I, for one,
> welcome it.
Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are
quite old but still not settled.
>
>
> If you have more of the same with which to
William,
If you have something new to contribute to the discussion, I, for one,
welcome it.
If you have more of the same with which to spam the list, then I, for
one, do not.
I know that I can simply skip or delete your messages, but where is
the spirit of IAAMOAC, forcing your fellow list
William T Goodall wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote:
>
>> William,
>> This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've
>> ever
>> moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing
>> increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a dist
William T Goodall wrote:
>
> I think it's clear than Nick's behaviour here is quite inappropriate
> and deserves censure in the strongest terms. What happened to IAAMOAC?
>
> It's clear Nick doesn't like my opinions. It's even clearer that
> he's abusing his position in the most egregious ma
Nick Arnett wrote:
> Your anti-religious postings are trivial. That's the problem. Science
> versus religion is a perfectly reasonable topic here. That's not what
> you're offering us.
>
I think I am seeing both sides to some degree. I have unsubbed from
other lists because of people who cou
On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote:
> William,
> This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've
> ever
> moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing
> increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction
> and
> offensive to so
On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Olin Elliott wrote:
> By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic.
>
And I'm not even the most frequent poster!
Agenda Maru
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product
of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourabl
On 20 Aug 2008, at 16:22, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:10 AM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>>
>>
>> Don't read it then. I certainly don't read every post to this list.
>
>
> Bzzzt. As you know, I am one of the list managers and as a group,
> we do and
> we
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:10 AM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
> Don't read it then. I certainly don't read every post to this list.
Bzzzt. As you know, I am one of the list managers and as a group, we do and
we will read all the messages.
>
> I'm growing increasingly concerne
By that description, 99% of the postings are off topic.
Olin
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:12 AM
Subject: Off-topic.
On 20 Aug 2008, at 15:12, Nick Arnett wrote:
> William,
> This is not a discussion list about religion
"All is Brin".
> . I don't think we've ever
> moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing
> increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction
> and
William,
This is not a discussion list about religion. I don't think we've ever
moderated anybody for frequent off-topic posting, but I'm growing
increasingly concerned that many of your postings are a distraction and
offensive to some who might otherwise participate. Others,including me, are
jus
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