Doctor still working at 91

2008-05-01 Thread Andrew Grosset
Doctor on top form at 91 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7376276.stm ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25

wow, these are some seriously smart cats

2008-05-01 Thread Robert Munn
It could be decades before they can actually make this stuff commercially, but ... wow. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/01/hp-invents-something *--- * *APRIL 30TH 2008 *might well go down in electronics history. Megaboffins at the HP Labs in Palo Alto have conjured up somethi

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Robert Munn
Took at BASIC class on a TRS-80 Model III at age 11. Got a TRS-80 CoCo I (with the silver case and chiclet keyboard) at age 12. Took CAD architecture free study senior year in high school. Never took another computer class again, but was always a geek hobbyist. Did the BBS thing for years. I had a

MPG X-Prize Contenders

2008-05-01 Thread Gruss Gott
Top 10 Early Contenders for the Automotive X Prize PM's expert car editors have watched this $10 million competition from the beginning, test driving some of the most fuel-efficient cars in the world, following the first teams to sign up—even sponsoring one. Now, as gas prices soar and the AXP entr

Re: The 29 Lakeview Terrace saga gets *very* interesting!

2008-05-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > Apparently, Brentano's good friend, Linus Pauling, fellow Xray researcher > (among other things), used to be entertained by Brentano on my old sun deck! That's pretty cool. I'm kind of a phys buff myself, but I'd just enjoy it from a historical perspective. > > all I wanted to

RE: I did not know this

2008-05-01 Thread Erika L. Walker
Hey! I read it. I waited. I groaned ... It *was* brilliantly written by the way. :) > :: -Original Message- > :: From: Adam Churvis > :: > :: > Royal with Chi was AWESOME. > :: > :: Now see, *I* think "Royal with Chi" was awesome, but apparently most > :: other > :: people didn't.

RE: I did not know this

2008-05-01 Thread Andrew Scott
Is this a joke or for real? I know Cinco de Mayo as the celebration of freedom and liberty... Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613  9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: I did not know this

2008-05-01 Thread Adam Churvis
> > Sure beats my "Royal with Chi" joke. > How's that go again? In 1815, when Napoleon returned to Paris from his exile on the island of Elba, his army ousted Louis XVIII, who himself went into exile for what is now known as "The Hundred Days." Only a few people in my family know the true story o

The 29 Lakeview Terrace saga gets *very* interesting!

2008-05-01 Thread Adam Churvis
So. I call my mother and ask her about the previous owner of our old house, who was JCM Brentano, the son of Franz Brentano, the famous philosopher. I also independently research JCM Brentano, who turns out to be this king high muckety-muck Xray physicist at Northwestern back in the day. I do

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Rick Root
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We learned in school and catechism that it was metaphorical. However, > that doesn't mean it would be considered wrong, I know contradiction. > I agree here. Inerrant doesn't mean it can't be metaphorical. And a cursory glance

Re: I did not know this

2008-05-01 Thread Casey Dougall
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Adam Churvis < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure beats my "Royal with Chi" joke. > > Much faster, too. > > Respectfully, > > Adam How's that go again? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the mo

RE: I did not know this

2008-05-01 Thread Adam Churvis
> Royal with Chi was AWESOME. Now see, *I* think "Royal with Chi" was awesome, but apparently most other people didn't. Even to the point of brandishing some rather dangerous weapons immediately after the punch line was delivered. In fact, a few groups of these people have completely redefined f

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread denstar
Ones hands? wow. ,---. ,.'-. \ ( ( ,'"-. `,X `. /` ` `._ (, ,_\ | ,---.,'o `. | / o \ ) \ ,.( ., \| \\___

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:31 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Program loaded off cassette, text files were on one floppy and the > messages were on another one. Those cassettes taught me that data can be represented /so/ many ways. Funny that punch-cards didn't do it like

Re: I did not know this

2008-05-01 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure beats my "Royal with Chi" joke. > > Much faster, too. Hahaha! I was going to say something like that. Royal with Chi was AWESOME. :-] -- oysters

Re: Jaxer anyone?

2008-05-01 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:55 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just been looking over some screencasts at the Aptana site about > their Jaxer server. It's a very interesting concept. Complete client > server ajax applications written completely in javascript. Have a > form you need to val

Anybody Else following the Collossal Squid Work?

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
I'm always amazed by these things: http://blog.tepapa.govt.nz/category/colossal-squid/ I LOVE how they're basically working with what amounts to a beak, some suckers and a half-ton of snot and they're able to do SO MUCH with it. ;^) Jim Davis ~~

RE: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: sam morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:12 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: National Day of Prayer! > > As Jerry already pointed out they have nothing to do with our > government: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The early church's wrangling with gnosticism is pretty interesting if you're > into that sort of thing. Heh. That's like the "Sons of light" stuff and whatnot, right? Dead sea scrolls and whatnot... veeery interestin

Re: Anyone see my pig?

2008-05-01 Thread Larry Lyons
My friends and I went to Ann Arbor MI for the Animals concert. Blew me away. >i saw them at rfk > >speechless > >On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:59 PM, David Churvis ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>I started out as a Biology majorbut I absolutely DESPISED chemistry. The >first semester I had a 7:30 AM Chem lab. It was 3 hours of pure hell, before >most college kids were even awake. I said screw that, no way i'm getting >through all the chemistry required for this major. I actually *have

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Loathe
We learned in school and catechism that it was metaphorical. However, that doesn't mean it would be considered wrong, I know contradiction. Mind you i haven't been a practicing catholic in years. Jim Davis wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: T

RE: Hey, I used Trigonometry! (And made a frog.)

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:36 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Hey, I used Trigonometry! (And made a frog.) > > have you seen this? > http://cubo.cc/ No... I never did. At least my frog won't give anybody nightma

RE: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:54 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: National Day of Prayer! > > > -Original Message- > > From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:29 PM > > To: CF-

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread sam morris
As Jerry already pointed out they have nothing to do with our government: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Prayer The National Day of Prayer Task Force is a non-governmental organization created by the National Prayer Committee to help coordinate events for evangelical Christians o

RE: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:29 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: National Day of Prayer! > > Jesus is still considered the only path to SALVATION in the catholic > church. You can seek intercession form Saints and Mary

Re: job posting

2008-05-01 Thread denstar
Yeah, sure. Like on NCIS the other night: "this terminal is so old, they don't have protection for these protocols" Loved it. I'm pretty sure he was on a C64 too... :-P Funnily enough, it pretty much works that way-- At least with the script kiddies with access to only new exploit databases o

Re: Anybody know about Franz Brentano?

2008-05-01 Thread denstar
Ha ha... Socrates asked questions... ayup. :-) Philosophy roxors. Heh. I was reading some Nietzsche and a buddy came up to me and said, in no uncertain terms, that he feared for my soul. Thought ROCKS -d On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:52 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, everything st

Re: Hey, I used Trigonometry! (And made a frog.)

2008-05-01 Thread Paul Ihrig
have you seen this? http://cubo.cc/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Loathe
Jesus is still considered the only path to SALVATION in the catholic church. You can seek intercession form Saints and Mary but Christ is what gets you in the door. Jim Davis wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:07 PM >>

Re: BBS Memories

2008-05-01 Thread Loathe
Damn thats bringing back some damn memories. Jerry Johnson wrote: > Was your modem the standard 300 baud acoustic coupler? I had a friend who > could whistle the connect string into those. > > There were a lot of local boards, but my 2 national favorites were the Well > from SF, and Pirates Cove

Re: harpejji

2008-05-01 Thread Paul Ihrig
ok that is slick... On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Check this out: Roland MIDI Guitar pickup > http://home.epix.net/~joelc/rmc.html > > > -- > Scott Stewart > ColdFusion Developer > > SSTWebworks > 4405 Oakshyre W

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread William Bowen
> > 1981-ish TI-99/4a was my first computer. > > Learned Basic > > No, dude! You learned "Extended BASIC"! Much better than normal, > non-extended basic! True dat! -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~~

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Rick Root
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Still the statement also says "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of > God > and the only One by which > I can obtain salvation and have an ongoing relationship with God." > > Again, this was never my understanding of Cat

Re: BBS Memories

2008-05-01 Thread Rick Root
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There were a lot of local boards, but my 2 national favorites were the > Well > from SF, If you liked The Well, try telnetting to m-net.arbornet.org and log in as "newuser" =) The Well was much more commercially succes

RE: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:12 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in > brainiacs) > > > I spun this off into a new thread because it got me > thinkingw

RE: I did not know this

2008-05-01 Thread Erika L. Walker
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RE: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:07 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: National Day of Prayer! > > just curious as to why you excluded catholics. Nothing in that > statement > precludes participation by a Catholic... except that

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread William Bowen
> I spun this off into a new thread because it got me thinkingwhy did > everyone here get into programming? Was it by choice? Did it just happen > that way? Did you major in CS in college? Was it to make money? 1981-ish TI-99/4a was my first computer. Learned Basic 1986 While I was in hi

Jaxer anyone?

2008-05-01 Thread zaph0d . b33bl3br0x
I've just been looking over some screencasts at the Aptana site about their Jaxer server. It's a very interesting concept. Complete client server ajax applications written completely in javascript. Have a form you need to validate. Write one javascript function that runs on both the cli

RE: BBS Memories

2008-05-01 Thread Erika L. Walker
I've got so much to add to this whole "how I got started" and BBS memories and programming in basic ... but I'm too tired to type up the book. Just stick this hybrid, geeky girl in there with the bunch of ya that already wrote about the above. Course I took a 10 year break to play with horses and

Re: Anyone see my pig?

2008-05-01 Thread William Bowen
> i saw them at rfk Arrowhead Stadium, Delicate Sound of Thunder Tour... > speechless doesn't even begin to describe it... :-) -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~

RE: I did not know this

2008-05-01 Thread Adam Churvis
Sure beats my "Royal with Chi" joke. Much faster, too. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:59 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: I did not know th

Re: BBS Memories

2008-05-01 Thread Jerry Johnson
Was your modem the standard 300 baud acoustic coupler? I had a friend who could whistle the connect string into those. There were a lot of local boards, but my 2 national favorites were the Well from SF, and Pirates Cove (from somewhere up north, either maine, nh, or canada. And later a SF-based A

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Dana
just curious as to why you excluded catholics. Nothing in that statement precludes participation by a Catholic... except that sheer BS-ness of having a single day of prayer in the first place of course... On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apparently if you're

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-05-01 Thread Dana
I don't think most of the country does, actuallydespite being told ad nauseum that we do. On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > most of the country sees it this way at the moment. maybe that's just > because the democrats are still pounding on each other wh

I did not know this

2008-05-01 Thread zaph0d . b33bl3br0x
Most people don't know that back in 1912, Hellmann's mayonnaise was manufactured in England . In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico , which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York This would

Adobe Opens the FLV and SWF Formats

2008-05-01 Thread Jerry Johnson
Did I miss this thread when it went by, or did no one else read slashdot today? I assumed this would get _some_ attention (read argument. lol) on this list. http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/05/01/0628254.shtml I am hoping open will mean more bored college kids extending the heck out of it. ~~~

RE: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:25 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: National Day of Prayer! > > > Specifically the "inerrant" part. > > > > Perhaps I'm wrong but I see Biblical Literalism as something pretty > unique > >

Hey, I used Trigonometry! (And made a frog.)

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
I was playing with my JavaScript DHTML library - specifically the collision detection. I had a function, getDistanceFrom(), that accepted another object and returned the distance - in pixels as X and Y - between it and the primary object. But it didn't confer directionality. For example a return

Re: when to ditch a car?

2008-05-01 Thread Dana
I once lost a transmission halfway up a mountain in New York. About 10pm, some lost little town north of Albany. That really sucked as I could not put the car in park and the parking brake didn't work either; not that I would have trusted it on that steep a slope. I have become quite a believer in

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Rick Root
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think it's the primary statement, that the "Holy Bible is the inerrant > Word of The Living God" is where I feel most mainstream Christian faiths > would fail. > > Specifically the "inerrant" part. > > Perhaps I'm wrong

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Rick Root
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's been a while but in my brief Catholic education I was taught, > explicitly, that the Bible is NOT the " inerrant Word of The Living God". > > In fact I was taught just the opposite: that the bible was metaphorical.

Re: BBSing (was Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs))

2008-05-01 Thread Rick Root
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BBS Memories

2008-05-01 Thread Rick Root
Okay the BBS talk got me going. I loved BBSing and to be honest, what is cf-community but a email based bbs without door games? =) I got my first 300 baud modem in 1985 from my Uncle, a VIC Modem that I hooked up to my Commodore 64. I lived in Saline, a small town just south of Ann Arbor. The o

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Casey Dougall
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:14 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I spun this off into a new thread because it got me thinkingwhy > did > everyone here get into programming? Was it by choice? Did it just happen > that way? Did you major in CS in college? Was it to make money? > Just ha

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Based on the clients logic and a LOT of questions on test cases, yes. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:00 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you have to derive any of the equations yourself...? > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
Did you have to derive any of the equations yourself...? On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Michael Dinowitz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Think of an auction. It's multiple people bidding for a single item. Each > person it bidding against a single person, the one with the highest bid. > Now >

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Tony
i had 2 years of basic classes in college, and left. the allure of good beer, great pot, hot chicks and fun was much better than classes... i also found that if there was a hot chick in the class i was much likelier to show up. tw On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Think of an auction. It's multiple people bidding for a single item. Each person it bidding against a single person, the one with the highest bid. Now think about an auction for multiple items. Each item can be bid on individually OR as a single "lot". The fight is now between you and one other per

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread David Churvis
Gnosticism is a specific belief system that says in essence that the "real truth" about Jesus was hidden and that his message was changed very early on into something it was never meant to be. Gnostic beliefs typically are much less exclusive than any kind of fundamentalist belief. In a way, Gnos

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Michael Dinowitz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've done math for pay (multi-tier auction logic) That intrigues mewhat is "multi-tier auction logic" ?? I ended up with a second major in math mostly because it interested me, and I knew that it would be a skil

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Billy Cox
The gospel of John does not say that you cannot know God prior to death. I'd be happy to chat about that off-list if you want. The (gnostic) gospel of Thomas is indeed a scary gospel especially to people who see themselves as the sole gatekeepers to God and all truth. While gnosticism IS about ha

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I got into programming for all the hot chicks. :) Actually, I knew the future and it was all about information. I think that True Names and Neuromancer had the most effect on me when it came to this regard when I was younger. Everything was going to be about information and computers would be in th

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:36 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism? > > On May 1, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Jim Davis wrote: > > > Acknowledging that there is a God (

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> What I find interesting about this thread is that how few actually started out > in CS and in this industry. Most it would seem came in from elsewhere. It > suggest to me that part of the very interesting nature of this community is > its diversity of interests and backgrounds. I went into the N

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > Dunno why you are stuck on Thomas..the intriguing question to me is not > WHERE God is to be known, but WHETHER God can be known. > Cause I like him! But, either way, it's 'whether, when, and how' that are the questions. John says not until you die and only if you do the

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Larry Lyons
What I find interesting about this thread is that how few actually started out in CS and in this industry. Most it would seem came in from elsewhere. It suggest to me that part of the very interesting nature of this community is its diversity of interests and backgrounds. ~

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, I would say that, for example, Thomas ("doubting Thomas") was the > first Gnostic; meaning "truth". > > Thomas believed that God existed within each person and so to find and > know God, one had to find and know oneself.

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread zaph0d . b33bl3br0x
On May 1, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Jim Davis wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:54 AM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism? >> >> Wellin the third book they

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jim wrote: > Acknowledging that there is a God (regardless of whether he can be killed or > not) is a completely non-atheistic viewpoint. > Zackly. The books are anti-religion at best and anti-catholic at worst. The reason atheism gets tossed in is because there's only one word more offensiv

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > Gnosticor Agnostic? > > The Gnostics were just an early form of modern day fundies. No, I would say that, for example, Thomas ("doubting Thomas") was the first Gnostic; meaning "truth". Thomas believed that God existed within each person and so to find and know God, one had

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:54 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism? > > Wellin the third book they did kill "God". Granted "God" was just > the first angel

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
Gnosticor Agnostic? The Gnostics were just an early form of modern day fundies.who claim to "know" God, to an extent. Agnosticism seems to make the most sense to me, actuallywe most certainly cannot know about God, at least in our limited human capacity. I just happen to believe in a

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread David Churvis
Really, the books don't have an atheistic viewpoint - they have a Gnostic viewpoint. But most fundies don't have enough of a nuanced view of other peoples' belief systems to differentiate between the two. David -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday,

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread zaph0d . b33bl3br0x
Wellin the third book they did kill "God". Granted "God" was just the first angel. I could see how people can interpret that as "promoting atheism" On May 1, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Jim Davis wrote: > Here be Spoilers (come to think of to both "The Golden Compass" and > "The > Bible"). > >

Re: BBSing (was Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs))

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
Let me fire up my Procomm+ and dial inyou better have some cool ASCII art, or I won't be impressed! On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:41 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Heh, branching the thread... > > If you want to play with BBSes but don't want to dial-up, there are a > numb

BBSing (was Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs))

2008-05-01 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Heh, branching the thread... If you want to play with BBSes but don't want to dial-up, there are a number of Telnet based boards around http://www.telnetbbsguide.com/ Also, if you want to run them, there are COM -> Telnet emulators or you can run something like SynchroNet http://www.synchro.net

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Larry Lyons
I believe that toolbook is still going, not sure about authorware. As for the toolkit, I generally wrote most of the stuff myself - the contractor I worked for didn't want addons like that. >Toolbook and Authorware. Ahhh. Love it. > >Did you ever have the pleasure of IVD Toolkit? > >Or interface

RE: job posting

2008-05-01 Thread Billy Cox
Maybe it's like Battlestar Galactica and the Cylons have hacked versions 6 and higher, but they're going to survive the war because they never upgraded. :) -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:59 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: job p

RE: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Billy Cox
Yeah...I played Buck Rogers. The pauses while the next segment loaded from the cassette were priceless. -Original Message- From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:23 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in br

For promoting your company ...

2008-05-01 Thread Erika L. Walker
.. and jumping into social networking and instant feedback, may I recommend: http://getsatisfaction.com/ Whether you are self employed or work for a company you love, I think you should consider using this service as part of your Customer Service and promotion programs. ~~

RE: job posting

2008-05-01 Thread Jacob
Probably running on NT4 with SQL 6.5 to boot! -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:48 AM To: CF-Community Subject: job posting I received a job posting for a coldfusion developer position in san antio yesterday that specifically requ

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Billy Cox
For people who think in only shades of black and white, attacking the church is the same as promoting atheism. "If you're not with us, you're against us." Kinda like the Sith system of moral reasoning. ;) -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01

RE: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Jacob
My first computer was an Adam. Played tons of buck rogers... -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:31 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs) > Holy crap. I had a

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
Manthat is the best story so farand it really does explain a lot. I had a special "Dave Watts" folder in my outlook when I participated heavily in CF-Talksaved everything he wrote into that folder...twas gold. If I was still on CF-Talk, i'd definitely have an "Adam Churvis" folder

Re: job posting

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
Touche' On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > G, let me introduce you to clients. > > LOL. > > I believe it very likely people are still running on 4.5 > > I make a thousand dollars or so every few years to recompile a Clipper 5 > app. (They make the changes t

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been a while but in my brief Catholic education I was taught, > explicitly, that the Bible is NOT the " inerrant Word of The Living God". > > In fact I was taught just the opposite: that the bible was metaphorical. Yes,

RE: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Billy Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:45 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: National Day of Prayer! > > It isn't such a big deal that fundamentalists require the coordinators > of > *their recognition* of the National Day of Pra

RE: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread Adam Churvis
Life's circumstances and the decisions demanded by them got me into this. My main love was weapon design, but it was rarified air back in 1979 and nobody would listen to some punk kid who wanted to build the next generation of military assault weapons out of Dupont Zytel reinforced with mineral an

Re: job posting

2008-05-01 Thread Jerry Johnson
G, let me introduce you to clients. LOL. I believe it very likely people are still running on 4.5 I make a thousand dollars or so every few years to recompile a Clipper 5 app. (They make the changes to the foxpro codebase, but can't recompile without me) On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:59 AM, G Mone

RE: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread ColdFusion
Ours was known as "The Dynasty BBS". It was great playing some of the games, having the message boards and sending the mail packets and such. It was maintenance items to consider when running it but was fun. -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 0

RE: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:41 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: National Day of Prayer! > > At any rate, you would not need to be an "Evangelical Christian" to > sign the > above statement, just a faithful christian

RE: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:33 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: National Day of Prayer! > > Why not Catholic? Catholics are Christians.? Looks like you just > need to > believe in Christ's Divinity in order to be i

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Larry Lyons
They converted a nonsecular event into one that entirely secular - if you do not fit into their particular brand of religious ideology then you need not apply. If I remember correctly the first amendment states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting

"The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
Here be Spoilers (come to think of to both "The Golden Compass" and "The Bible"). I finally got around to finishing the trilogy. I knew from the religious right that these books "promoted atheism" but, of course the first book had nothing of the kind in it. The second book began to poke nastily a

Re: job posting

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
I'm trying to figure out why on earth a company would need a developer for version 4.5? Surely no company is still running live apps written using that version? And if they are looking for someone to upgrade an old app, they wouldn't really need much experience with 4.5, just the newer versions

Re: Anybody know about Franz Brentano?

2008-05-01 Thread Jerry Johnson
And now, the Bruces bring us the Philosopher Song... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://w

Re: National Day of Prayer!

2008-05-01 Thread Jerry Johnson
It is sad (from a Christian point of view), but it is a private org, not a government supported org. "Our Task Force is a privately funded organization whose purpose it is to encourage participation on the National Day of Prayer. " On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: Why did you get into computers? (was: churvii: a study in brainiacs)

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
I ran my BBS on WWiV softwarefor about a weeki basically had no idea what I was doing, but it was fun anyway. That got shit canned pretty quick when the only phone line into our house was constantly busy and my parents put the kibosh on my little BBS.The Aristocrat's Lair. God, I though

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