Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Chris Stoner
The most important thing to any team is surrounding yourself with talented developers (as opposed typical script kiddies that have polluted our industry). Talented developers working as a team will create great tools for either RAD or Enterprise applications. Two or three poor developers can des

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Dana
nancy grace is passionate about everything On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Sam wrote: >> Until today I don't think anyone on this list knew how severe the >> problem was. Point is we love to attack the church but if the same >> thin

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Who do you think you are? Me? Kill joy. ;) Yeh, the post is a bit more towards cf-jobs-talk but if we can talk sql, we can talk this stuff. That being said, I'll answer publicly. 1. Have you found this to be the case? not really. Both company types have shown me projects that were constrained b

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Robert Munn
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > You haven't been a part of this list very long then have you Brian? > > If you are going to post to the list (especially that length) - then I > suggest you kind of get a feel for might go on in here by reading through a > few of the othe

adobe coulda...

2010-04-12 Thread Dave l
spread the cf word by including cfbuilder in at least the web dev suite but they didn't.. would rather see that included over acrobat or contribute. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them k

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Erika L. Rich
Last thing before I head off to la la land ... is this you? http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=casestudydetail&casestudyid=104632 ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Erika L. Rich
Oh! And if you are reealll lucky, Weegs might even add a few ingredients to the mix ... :D On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > Oh. I forgot the muffins. > > If you stick around, we'll bake you some. :) > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > >> You

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Erika L. Rich
Oh. I forgot the muffins. If you stick around, we'll bake you some. :) On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > You haven't been a part of this list very long then have you Brian? > > ~| Want to reach the Cold

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Erika L. Rich
You haven't been a part of this list very long then have you Brian? If you are going to post to the list (especially that length) - then I suggest you kind of get a feel for might go on in here by reading through a few of the other posts and learning the demographics and character of the people y

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Maureen
Sorry didn't mean to seem like I was dissing you. Muffins, parody, music and a whole bunch of politics are the order of the day on CF-Community. The more serious stuff goes to CF-Talk for technical and CF-Jobs-Talk for employment stuff. To answer your question in a more sedate manner, I'd rather

Re: is this evidence of a virus?

2010-04-12 Thread Dana
er the words pretty intelligent should follow here On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Dana wrote: > maybe... is it usb? Random thoughts: > > Mine autoruns but I am not sure how that happens. An inf file is > normal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INF_file) but um so are most > viruses

Re: is this evidence of a virus?

2010-04-12 Thread Dana
maybe... is it usb? Random thoughts: Mine autoruns but I am not sure how that happens. An inf file is normal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INF_file) but um so are most viruses. AFAIK you should be able ot open it with notepad. Avira is rather intelligent; on the other hand it would be suspicious

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Brian Thornton
well im glad you thought that was worth sharing with the group... Your valuable feedback was very worthy of a followup. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Yep.  I need at least three muffins to make through to the end of his message. > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Erika L

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Maureen
Yep. I need at least three muffins to make through to the end of his message. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > /me tilts head quizzically ... scratches behind ear scrunches up nose > > > Hm yesh. Are muffins in order? > ~~~

Re: Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Erika L. Rich
/me tilts head quizzically ... scratches behind ear scrunches up nose Hm yesh. Are muffins in order? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Brian Thornton wrote: > > Ladies and Gentlemen- > > I am what the marketers and techno enthusiasts call an "Early > Adopter". I typically pick up

Immediate Gratification CF Development

2010-04-12 Thread Brian Thornton
Ladies and Gentlemen- I am what the marketers and techno enthusiasts call an "Early Adopter". I typically pick up technology, information trends, marketing ideas ahead the pack. I am typical the one in my circle who is reached out to first when anything technology is referenced. If you aren't fam

full size blue tooth mouse recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread Matthew Smith
Just got a laptop that has Bluetooth and need a mouse for it. Ordered this: http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=41U5008¤t-category-id=E9ADAEB6787146E29B78400A33E7FE8A&&hide_menu_area=yes It's the smaller laptop sized

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Well, yes, I thought I'd not overplay the hand and not mention that Benedict was the Grand Inquisitor and a former Nazi Youth. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Yes, and the current pope spent fourteen years as Prefect of the > Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - i.e.

Re: china's rise

2010-04-12 Thread Robert Munn
Hmm, I don't know. I would expect two things to happen that would add significantly to the US economy: 1. Chinese firms would open/expand US operations as the relative costs of doing business in the US dropped. 2. American firms would sell more goods overseas, especially within China itself among

Re: Why mandate a programming language for a site? Arrgghh!

2010-04-12 Thread Robert Munn
Could be that they don't know better, or it could be that they have in-house resources that would deal with long term maintenance and they have ASP/PHP skills, or it could be that there is a corporate-wide standard on languages, who knows. Sub it out to Maureen. :-) On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:

Re: Why mandate a programming language for a site? Arrgghh!

2010-04-12 Thread Maureen
Subcontract it out to me. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Vivec wrote: > > A sweet RFP just crossed my desk. > > And I read through it thinking this sounds GREAT! Something I can > do...a great Corporate site! > ... > Then I get to the end where they mention Requirements. > > And one of the req

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Maureen
Yes, and the current pope spent fourteen years as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - i.e. The Grand Inquisitor. So why is anyone surprised at his attitude now? You don't have to go back hundreds of years to find atrocities by Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Re: Why mandate a programming language for a site? Arrgghh!

2010-04-12 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Those are both free, and they may have had in house experience with them >previously, check to make sure though. Well, there are very good free CFML options now as well, and from my experience with the folks at Railo, you can get top-notch support if you need it as well. There are certainly pl

RE: is this evidence of a virus?

2010-04-12 Thread LRS Scout
I know mine does. A Seagate with backup software and encryption software. The auto run installs the software on new machines, or launches it on ones it's already installed its drivers and software on. -Original Message- From: Matthew Smith [mailto:chedders...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, Ap

is this evidence of a virus?

2010-04-12 Thread Matthew Smith
Just plugged in an external hard drive to a laptop. Avira said it blocked autorun.inf. Tried to open the autorun.inf file with notepad just to see what is up with it. Access was denied. Not sure if that it avira doing that or something else is going on. Is this evidence of a virus? Should an

RE: Follow up on the helicopter incident

2010-04-12 Thread Scott Stewart
It's someplace in downtown Alexandria, Va.. I've seen it a million times from the Blue line, but I couldn't tell ya what they do -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Follow up on the helicopter i

Re: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread Matthew Smith
Well, it's my girlfriend's old laptop, going to my roommate. She has some financial stuff, ssn, that kind of stuff on there. This is my roommate's first computer, so I don't think he is TOO much of a security threat. I don't know he might be working for China. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM,

RE: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread Scott Stewart
I've seen the shredder at a trade show in DC. coolest thing ever -Original Message- From: Scott Raley [mailto:sra...@itc-llc.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:27 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations Yes in DOD we are required to

RE: Why mandate a programming language for a site? Arrgghh!

2010-04-12 Thread LRS Scout
Those are both free, and they may have had in house experience with them previously, check to make sure though. -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:33 PM To: cf-community Subject: Why mandate a programming language for a site? Arrgghh

Re: Why mandate a programming language for a site? Arrgghh!

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
I'd double check that they are really tied to those two. Often the person creating the RFP only knows a few buzzwords. The could very well just mean and language that's not static html. Worth double checking. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Vivec wrote: > > A sweet RFP just crossed my desk. >

Why mandate a programming language for a site? Arrgghh!

2010-04-12 Thread Vivec
A sweet RFP just crossed my desk. And I read through it thinking this sounds GREAT! Something I can do...a great Corporate site! ... Then I get to the end where theymention Requirements. And one of the requirements is that the site use either PHP or ASP. DWAMMITS What do do? ~

Re: china's rise

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
yes but even more dollars would be drained out of our economy. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Medic wrote: > > Wouldn't that be bad though. Isn't China one of America's biggest creditors? > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > >> >> My opinion - until the Chinese governme

Re: china's rise

2010-04-12 Thread Robert Munn
Sure, but all that debt is denominated in dollars, of which we control the supply. If they float the yuan, the US would immediately become competitive in global manufacturing again. The trade deficit would be erased, possibly even reversed, and we would take back all those dollars that we lost thr

Re: china's rise

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
Wouldn't that be bad though. Isn't China one of America's biggest creditors? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > My opinion - until the Chinese government allows the yuan to float, screw > them. > > > http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/12/assessing-chinas-impact-on-america/

Re: china's rise

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
then watch what happens, the Chinese banks will demand all payments in Yuans. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > My opinion - until the Chinese government allows the yuan to float, screw > them. > > http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/12/assessing-chinas-impact-on-america/?h

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Unfortunately we all have different definitions and ideas on whom or what should be thinned. I am sure that a vaccine conspiracist would have a very different set of thinning candidates than one of us I suspect. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 a

china's rise

2010-04-12 Thread Robert Munn
My opinion - until the Chinese government allows the yuan to float, screw them. http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/12/assessing-chinas-impact-on-america/?hpt=C1 ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want?

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Robert Munn
How many people know that there have been deaths linked to GM foods? I was in favor of more research, but I have re-considered my position based on the risks. I think the GM food push is based on a desire for easier profits, not for helping people. Among the thousands of strains of staple crops t

Re: Follow up on the helicopter incident

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
My guess is he's some guy that gave all the answers the reporter was hoping to hear. I do kind of picture him looking like Abe Simpson for some reason. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:34 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Wtf is "Information Operations Institute at the Association of Old > Crows" > > And why

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
There isn't anything inherently "unnatural" about genetic modification of plants. There is evidence of transspecies genetic mixing out in the wild and viruses seem to be one of the main candidates for moving chunks of genome #1 into genome #2. Combine that with the natural variation that occurs th

RE: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread LRS Scout
Go to the NSA site, they have something there. Free. -Original Message- From: Matthew Smith [mailto:chedders...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 6:24 PM To: cf-community Subject: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations Giving a laptop to someone. Need to complet

RE: Follow up on the helicopter incident

2010-04-12 Thread LRS Scout
Wtf is "Information Operations Institute at the Association of Old Crows" And why should I care what he thinks?? -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 6:06 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Follow up on the helicopter incident Ya, I don

RE: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread Scott Raley
Yes in DOD we are required to perform the DOD wipe 3 times and then run the drive through a magnetic machine to make sure it can not be recovered and then they are crushed and shredded. After that a contractor takes them to a factory to be melted down and recycled. -Original Message- Fro

Re: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread Robert Munn
I'm no expert, but if you really want effective destruction of the data, shouldn't you destroy the platters? I heard a story from a reputable source about a company that had a military contract to dispose of computer equipment at a military base. Supposedly someone found Chinese spies digging thro

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Sam wrote: > And the schools? The Connecticut law would apply to school and teachers as well, I think. But they are not opposing it. -Cameron ... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community wit

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
And the schools? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Sam wrote: >> So is your point religion doesn't need money so take any way possible? > > To the core of this thread...  Church groups have just as much right > as any charity to fund

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Sam wrote: > I never knew any one watched her and I can't believe you would admit it :) I do watch HLN a lot - sometimes I don't change the channel quick enough. -Cameron ... ~| Want to reach

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Sam wrote: > So is your point religion doesn't need money so take any way possible? To the core of this thread... Church groups have just as much right as any charity to fund their operations any (legal) way they would like, tax free. They should also be held t

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
I feel that we could go far enough with just cross breeding. I don't see why we need to modify our food on a genetic level. I understand that farming is a for profit endeavour and it's getting harder and harder for farmers to compete, but there's got to be a way to make natural farming profitable.

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Mind you, I think that things like Bt have a lot of promise. I strongly disagree with genetically engineer a plant to be resistant to a brand of herbicide as Monsanto is doing with Roundup. On the other hand, promoting naturally occurring resistance to pests that has popped up in one species in an

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
So is your point religion doesn't need money so take any way possible? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Sam wrote: >> I wasn't complaining about collecting money for religion, you were. > > The basis of this entire branch of the thre

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
"I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition." "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > I _can_ sadly imagine a group of black clad evil men crouched in a back > room > > AT THIS

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Sam, > > Can you specifically explain how this Connecticut bill is intended to single > out The Church, and bankrupt it? (I don't get it) I didn't say single out. But if you look at it, how often is little Johnny, now 65, going to sue his

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
I guess you're right, mostly. GM crops are primarily in the US. The rice strains I was thinking of were modified the old fashioned way. -Cameron On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Not really, no. Arguably the biggest contribution to increased yields > and disease resisten

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > I _can_ sadly imagine a group of black clad evil men crouched in a back room > AT THIS VERY MINUTE with file folders containing allegations of abuse from > the last 50 years, and each time a month goes by moves some of those folders > into t

Re: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
If those links don't get you something, I usually use DBan for this type of thing: http://www.dban.org/ -Cameron On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Matthew Smith wrote: > Great.  Thanks so much ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion c

Re: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread Matthew Smith
Great. Thanks so much. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Scott Raley wrote: > > www.killdisk.com > > or here is a list > http://www.filetransit.com/freeware.php?name=Wipe > > > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Smith [mailto:chedders...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 6:24 PM

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Sam wrote: > I wasn't complaining about collecting money for religion, you were. The basis of this entire branch of the thread is that fewer people are giving money to the church now, and that lawsuits are hurting the church financially. It's been about money si

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
Sam, Can you specifically explain how this Connecticut bill is intended to single out The Church, and bankrupt it? (I don't get it) Can you explain why only high-level Catholic bishops are against this bill? (I don't get it) Can you explain, really explain, why the Catholic Church is so obvious

RE: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread Scott Raley
www.killdisk.com or here is a list http://www.filetransit.com/freeware.php?name=Wipe -Original Message- From: Matthew Smith [mailto:chedders...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 6:24 PM To: cf-community Subject: completely erase hard drive - software recommendations Giving a la

completely erase hard drive - software recommendations

2010-04-12 Thread Matthew Smith
Giving a laptop to someone. Need to completely erase HD. To DOD specs would be nice. Free preferred. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Arch

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Dana
all I am saying is that there are more teachers than priests. Not that I am defending priests for shielding pedophiles. That's all. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Medic wrote: > > Um, ok. Not sure why you're arguing with me though. Sam tried to make it > sound like it's fine that the CC is fig

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
The reason we're "singling out" the church, is because it's the church that's opposing this bill. It's pretty specific. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Sam wrote: > > You missed my argument, it's not a defense of pedophiles, it's the > singling out the church for the purpose of bankrupting i

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
I never knew any one watched her and I can't believe you would admit it :) On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Sam wrote: >> Until today I don't think anyone on this list knew how severe the >> problem was. Point is we love to attack th

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > > I really have no idea, but if you'd like to hear about stealing money > from people in the name of god I suspect you'd have a hard time > getting to the bottom of that list.  I'm sure there are plenty of > examples that aren't relate

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> Right now we don't have a massive food crisis on our planet. > > This is, in great part, due to genetically modified breeds of plants. Not really, no. Arguably the biggest con

Re: Follow up on the helicopter incident

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
Ya, I don't think anyone thought they were going to face any kind of prosecution. The part of the article that I found ironic was this: > Whether or not the soldiers acted legally, the footage ultimately adds up to a propaganda victory for America’s adversaries, said Joel Harding, director of th

RE: Follow up on the helicopter incident

2010-04-12 Thread LRS Scout
Good. -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: Follow up on the helicopter incident Here is a story about that incident involving the helicopter. Apparently there is not going to be a review of the pi

RE: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread LRS Scout
It's a start. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests? Schools don't even

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Sam wrote: > Until today I don't think anyone on this list knew how severe the > problem was. Point is we love to attack the church but if the same > thing or worse goes on nationwide in the schools it's a yawn. Oh if you want to see someone passionate about the

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Medic wrote: > > Thank you for educating me. You're welcome > I said different. I didn't imply it was better. There is no "better" when > we're talking about pedophiles Sam. You read between the lines when reading > just the lines would serve you better. You ca

RE: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread LRS Scout
word -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:30 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial > Humankind needs a little thinning of the herd. +1 trillion You couldn't be more righ

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
You missed my argument, it's not a defense of pedophiles, it's the singling out the church for the purpose of bankrupting it. Let's spread the word about schools too so we can stop abuse instead of just shutting down churches. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Medic wrote: > > Um, ok. Not sure w

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Sam wrote: > The church has a school, my mom works for the church doing admissions > for the school. I have heard that alot of private schools are having problems right now. Frankly, that has alot more to do with the economy than the sex abuse scandals. > Doesn

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
Thank you for educating me. I said different. I didn't imply it was better. There is no "better" when we're talking about pedophiles Sam. You read between the lines when reading just the lines would serve you better. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:20

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
Until today I don't think anyone on this list knew how severe the problem was. Point is we love to attack the church but if the same thing or worse goes on nationwide in the schools it's a yawn. No wonder superintendents don't care, no news is good news. Even if it was exposed, suing the schools w

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
Um, ok. Not sure why you're arguing with me though. Sam tried to make it sound like it's fine that the CC is fighting against an increased statute of limitations on abuse because according to him, more teachers are pedo douchebags than priests. I asked for a link to support his claim as I've never

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Medic wrote: > > Wow, way to not respond to what I actually wrote. I did and corrected you ill advised facts > I mentioned highschool girls and you come at me about 9 year olds. > I mentioned "little boys" and you come at me about 13 years olds. > I mention a pr

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Dana
ah, so you want a link saying more children report abuse by teachers than by priests? Shrug, carry on then I guess, though the fact that more children attend school than catholic churches makes me suspect it may be the case. But I am not about to argue the point. Bad is bad, in whatever numbers.

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
Well I would think they'd be accurate within the group of victims who have spoken out. However they wouldn't necessarily reflect the overall number of victims though. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Dana wrote: > > umm most statistics on sexual abuse are pretty unreliable aren't they? > > On M

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Dana
umm most statistics on sexual abuse are pretty unreliable aren't they? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Medic wrote: > >> Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests? > > link? > > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFu

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yes. I wonder how many school superintendents are arguing against legislation to lengthening the statute of limitations. I wonder if anyone thinks that lengthening those statutes would close every school in the state? You know, like the 3 main heads of the Catholic Church in Connecticut are try

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
Wow, way to not respond to what I actually wrote. I mentioned highschool girls and you come at me about 9 year olds. I mentioned "little boys" and you come at me about 13 years olds. I mention a priest diddling a little boy being different than a male teacher getting involved with a highschool gi

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Sam wrote: >> My mom does admissions for the school > > Oh I thought you'd said church. The church has a school, my mom works for the church doing admissions for the school. >> Have you ever heard of

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
I actually didn't read it until now. Unlike Jerry's claim that they're all abusers: The bishops' letter raised concerns that the bill would allow claims that are 70 years or older, in which "key individuals are deceased, memories have been faded, and documents and other evidence have been lost."

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Sam wrote: > My mom does admissions for the school Oh I thought you'd said church. > Have you ever heard of charity? > They are/where pretty good at it. Definitely alot of great secular charities out there. Churches certainly don't have any corner on that mark

Follow up on the helicopter incident

2010-04-12 Thread Bruce Sorge
Here is a story about that incident involving the helicopter. Apparently there is not going to be a review of the pilots actions. The case is closed. http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/04/army_iraq_apache_assault_041210w/ ~| Wa

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread morgan l
Actually, if you scroll back up to the original message, you will see that the point is the Catholic Church is fighting the removal of the statute of limitations for sexual abuse charges. Who the victims or abusers are is irrelevant to the charges. The proposal will not remove the statute of limi

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Medic wrote: > > Ok, that link seems to indicate that the number of incidents with teachers > are lower than that of priests. So, thanks for refuting your own claim. No higher > I also wonder how much of the incidents with teachers are males messing > around wit

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
According to this: http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf 9.6 percent of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career. According to this http://wapedia.mobi/en/John_Jay_Report It's 4% of priests or 10,667 children Compare

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
My mom does admissions for the school Have you ever heard of charity? They are/where pretty good at it. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Sam wrote: >> Between the payouts nationwide, the lack of people going of church >> because of

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
Ok, that link seems to indicate that the number of incidents with teachers are lower than that of priests. So, thanks for refuting your own claim. I also wonder how much of the incidents with teachers are males messing around with highschool girls. I somehow see this as slightly different than a

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Sam wrote: > Between the payouts nationwide, the lack of people going of church > because of the scandal and the lack of donations due to the scandal > and the economy. All churches are suffering. Interesting. So church really is all about money? Shame they wou

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
That link worked for me. iirc, the priest count was at about 4% over the last 50 years? (4.4K out of 110K) this article has 2500 teachers over 5 years, which would extrapolate out to 25000 over 50 years (assuming no overlap). out of 3 million teachers current active teachers (again, assuming no

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
I though msnbc was your most trusted news source after Comedy Central. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > And sam World News Daily isn't considered an adequate source. > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> bad link it just went to the front landin

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
Works for me. Google it: AP: Sexual misconduct plagues U.S. schools Survey finds 2,500 incidents over 5 years, across all types of districts On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > bad link it just went to the front landing page. > > ~~

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I never claimed it was. it was just a quick and dirty survey. > > How about seriously answering the question instead of being a sarcastic jerk. > Thing is same I alr

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
And sam World News Daily isn't considered an adequate source. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > bad link it just went to the front landing page. > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21392345/ns/us_news-education/ >> >> On Mon,

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
bad link it just went to the front landing page. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Sam wrote: > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21392345/ns/us_news-education/ > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Medic wrote: >> >>> Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests? >> >> link? > >

Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its colors

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
Between the payouts nationwide, the lack of people going of church because of the scandal and the lack of donations due to the scandal and the economy. All churches are suffering. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Sam wrote: >> My mo

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