Why is it stupid went Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud of Saudi
Arabia the second largest shareholder in New Corp, which owns Fox?
It's simply the truth.
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> I think that's a really stupid post. Especially from someone claiming
> never to watch FoxNew
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
...
> It's interesting to watch Mad Men episodes and see the men chasing
> women around the office. Totally unacceptable today, and it should
> be. But I wonder how far we go to protect people? If I ask someone
> to stay late and work o
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> I suspect you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I quit the
> corporate world because I hated it. In my experience there are alot
> of corporate people who are just really bad at their jobs. They might
> meet someone's checklist
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:
>
> Yes and no...HR is there for the company by ensuring that the rules are
> followed in regards to how the employees are treated. So in doing so, they
> are also looking out for the employees.
Maybe in a small business, with 50 - 100 employe
It also generally takes a fairly long series of polygraph tests to
calibrate to an individual person. A single polygraph, even with a
trained professional, is unlikely to be reliable. If a person had been
the subject of repeated tests by the same administrator, the
reliability tends to go up, if t
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> As for being free birds, I'm rather doubtful. Free to respond
> possibly. Free in the way you mean it, doubtful. People are just too
> easily manipulated. Moreover all to often they will put the chains on
> themselves and ask you to order
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Like libertarianism, which is the right wing version of Anarchism, it
> leads only to rule by the strong for the strong. If you have no
> problem with some thug with a gun telling you what to do then go for
> it.
It's always somebody tell
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:46 AM, denstar wrote:
>
>> Seemed more like you cast aspersions on the entire profession.
>
> I was good friends with a NYC sanitation cop years ago. To think
> someone would want to steal it. Really liked him. I should see
As bad a rap as they have, and as many I've seen and dealt with that are
sh*t, it's too bad that's what I would do first in a bad situation as well,
speak to a lawyer. They can be scum sucking sharks for good reason. :)
But it definitely helps if you are friends or have em in the family -
because
Most likely he is coming forward because someone in the opposition camp is
slipping him some envelopes full of money. If his story is true, he has
already admitted he knows how to accept them and keep it secret for a long
time.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> The alle
I'm jumping in late ;-).
If I were a member of a union, I would definitely go to the union
first. If you have a weapon, use it - that's what I learned in the
corporate world. Especially if you are dealing with sh!t-heads who
have influence over your career. Having said that, I'm not one to join
a
Okay, so I haven't been paying attention or something. Sleigh Bells -
where have you been hiding? They are opening for LCD Soundsystem here
in Atlanta in October and I think I might be more excited about seeing
Sleigh Bells then LCD Soundsystem. Just bought tix immediately after
hearing this tra
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> I spent the last 9 months working as a contractor in DC. Not once did
> I see this in the agency where I was working. I've talked with others
> who have noted the same thing.
See, *thar's* your problem. You need to be a full timer to full
Really?
I spent the last 9 months working as a contractor in DC. Not once did
I see this in the agency where I was working. I've talked with others
who have noted the same thing.
I really wish this piece of well fermented trip would die. Its simply a lie.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Camero
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> That particular bit I agree with you on. I think it's over the top and not
> exactly conducive.
>
> But again. Let's pick one piece and ignore the rest.
>
>
>
> Do you at all get our points here? If you don't why don't you move on?
Because
For these and myriad of other reasons they're inadmissable in court.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> that's part of it. Also its not difficult to fool a polygraph - simple
> relaxation training is often enough. Then there are the polygraph
> examiners. I think in a l
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, trish simon wrote:
> "...you can sit at your desk all day playing on facebook, browsing
> flickr, replying to cf-community"
>
> Cameron:
>
> How can I get your old job? Really!!
>
> When I worked in the corporate sector it was nothing like that!
The easiest p
You hug the suicide bombers, I'll opt for Predator strikes.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> So much violence.
>
> so much hate.
>
> Hugs and ear wiggles, Robert.
> That is what is needed.
>
> Hugs and ear wiggles.
> Not war.
But communism in the US was a joke.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
>> I think your so called "Left one-world government" is more like a
>> right wing wet dream. The right has always needed evil demons to
>> oppose
that's part of it. Also its not difficult to fool a polygraph - simple
relaxation training is often enough. Then there are the polygraph
examiners. I think in a lot of cases, the training is very minimal,
with the certification, where it exists, is only nominal - more like
paying a fee than anythi
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> I think your so called "Left one-world government" is more like a
> right wing wet dream. The right has always needed evil demons to
> oppose. Before this there was communism, Judaism, Catholicism and
> other Nativist causes of paranoia.
I've not looked into the subject deeply but I've always been under the
impression that the inaccuracy in polygraphs was because they have a
tendancy to say you're lying when you're actually being truthful.
-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
Sent: Frida
Which one?
That said, anyone who thinks that a polygraph is any serious indicator
of truth needs to get an education.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> True or not, he's a fricking snake.
>
> On 20 August 2010 16:11, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
>>
>> The allegations in the story, th
You know, aside from the nebulous anti-globalization movement, I've
seen nothing as virulently paranoid as the so called New Order
conspiracy nuts. I have not heard a lot from those wingnuts lately, I
suspect that they've mostly jointed the Tea Party.
I think your so called "Left one-world govern
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> That vision, as anyone with half a brain can tell you, fails to
> account for both China and India, which have their own civilizations
> and will be economic giants by the middle of the century. China is
> already the #2 economy, they just pas
So much violence.
so much hate.
Hugs and ear wiggles, Robert.
That is what is needed.
Hugs and ear wiggles.
Not war.
On 20 August 2010 16:26, Robert Munn wrote:
> So the question is really whether the other civilizations on the planet are
> going to gang up to defeat Islamism.
>
~
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> She is saying a lot more than that by citing this as the ultimate solution
> to the current crisis:
>
> "in which he wrote that all states would converge on a single institutional
> standard of liberal capitalist democracy and never go to war with
California has term limits, and look at the sh!t we're in. I don't
like having a bunch of corrupt old fools in Congress either, but I
don't think term limits are the way to deal with the problem.
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> Nancy and Harry are shining examples of why
True or not, he's a fricking snake.
On 20 August 2010 16:11, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> The allegations in the story, though, are almost 40 years old. That's
> a long time to sit on something like this to then open it up for no
> other reason than "doesn't like his old boss for some reason". I ha
She is saying a lot more than that by citing this as the ultimate solution
to the current crisis:
"in which he wrote that all states would converge on a single institutional
standard of liberal capitalist democracy and never go to war with each
other. The equivalent neoconservative rosy scenario
only because on the Left one-world government isn't an issue, it's an
objective. ha!
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Uh, yeah, the "one world government" shit is just a right-wing issue.
> And only right-wing whack jobs.
>
~~
We're not trying to achieve hegemony. Is anyone recommending that we
try to overthrow China? That's silly talk. What we need to focus on is
defense of our civilization against the Islamist world-view. The
Islamist view of the world is fundamentally incompatible with the
West's views on a whole ran
Uh, yeah, the "one world government" shit is just a right-wing issue.
And only right-wing whack jobs.
Judah
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> It's dumb to make bike sharing an issue and he never should have
> opened his mouth to comment on it, but it shows the climate of f
I don't recall who asked the question...
? : "What do you think of Western civilization?"
Ghandi: "I think it would be a good idea."
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> He is coming forward because he doesn't like his old boss for some
> reason and he wants to see Reid lose in November. Let's see if the
> press picks up the story.
>
The allegations in the story, though, are almost 40 years old. That's
a lo
It's dumb to make bike sharing an issue and he never should have
opened his mouth to comment on it, but it shows the climate of fear
about globalism that has infected the country. It's not just a
right-wing issue.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> http://www.9news.com/r
"Our civilization" is predicated on tolerance, respect and a belief in
pluralism. We cannot achieve goals which stand in opposition to
hegemony by imitating those who seek it.
Judah
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Vivec wrote:
>>
>> Righ
He is coming forward because he doesn't like his old boss for some
reason and he wants to see Reid lose in November. Let's see if the
press picks up the story.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> It contains some more background info, links to pdf's of the lie detector
> te
FWIW, that's the reason why I recently left my job.
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> Hmmm. A little promotion for a subject that doesn't have enough exposure.
> Perhaps a few of you here can relate. If so - spread the word.
>
> Warning: this is a little depressing. :( So
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Right.
>
> So we 'need' a one world hegemony centered around America.
>
We don't need one world hegemony, and it doesn't have to be centered
around the West, but we need to make sure we don't get bumped off by
the global Islamist movement. Libera
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> The US Government has come up with plans for other ridiculous stupid crap
I have little faith in the Federal Govt making anything they are
involved in better, but that's a personal viewpoint. In fact it's
virtually impossible to get fired
"...you can sit at your desk all day playing on facebook, browsing
flickr, replying to cf-community"
Cameron:
How can I get your old job? Really!!
When I worked in the corporate sector it was nothing like that!
On 8/20/10, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> When it turns someone suicidal after de
Did you not read the email i sent? Even the CATO institute documented it...
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Proof? How about some reliable third party evidence.
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Eric Roberts
> wrote:
> >
> > This was a well known story in the new
The question becomes then why does at one point living in the US
requires the person to agree to an American Empire.
Frankly I think that is among the nasties things that could happen to
this country.An Imperial Democracy has almost never worked.If the US
did go this route, it would be transforme
That particular bit I agree with you on. I think it's over the top and not
exactly conducive.
But again. Let's pick one piece and ignore the rest.
Do you at all get our points here? If you don't why don't you move on?
:P
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Fri,
Proof? How about some reliable third party evidence.
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> This was a well known story in the news back then.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:24 AM
> To:
When it turns someone suicidal after decades on the job, giving 100% of
themselves, and it's proven company wide that they are trying to push out
the old timers and make them quit ... then YEAH. There should be some sort
of legislation or bill in place to prevent it.
When it sends them into thera
Certainly, your mileage may vary...
-Cameron
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> Only according to you. Yes.
>
> In some cases, and it's proven by other coworkers, HR is NOT the first place
> to go.
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>> So in my op
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> Here's some good reads:
>
> http://www.workplacebullying.org/targets/solution/three-step-method.html
I am curious about this article, which states that when bullied, you
should take a few days off, gather your forces, then attack and try to
You know when I was serving with the Canadian military, the 2
exercises my unit had with the US marines had us calling them "The
Few, the Proud, The Speedbumps."
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> Typical Marine. Sitting at home, complaining. First out, left early and mad
http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=146839
Really this is classic right wing stupidity at its finest.
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> You're taking a serious subject and saying "ahh BS. People need to ball up
> and move on."
Sometimes, this is totally true.
> In MY opinion. :)
>
> Change it.
I also see situations where people get picked on at work. I have seen
the bull
"...can be fired for any reason..."
That is why the federal EEOC is overwhelmed with complaints. The first
union rep told me to file a complaint with EEOC, as leverage...
It's a sad situation, but it's also important to stand up to these
workplace bullies...just we would tell our kids.
On 8/2
I suspect you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I quit the
corporate world because I hated it. In my experience there are alot
of corporate people who are just really bad at their jobs. They might
meet someone's checklist of qualifications, but they were only highly
skilled at being excepti
If this was all about promotions, I would have titled it different. You keep
picking at one spot for some reason. *THAT* I do not understand.
I think I know the difference between deserving and not deserving. I don't
need to be told that, and this thread isn't about that.
You're taking a serious
Here's some good reads:
http://www.workplacebullying.org/targets/solution/three-step-method.html
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/myths.htm
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Only according to you. Yes.
In some cases, and it's proven by other coworkers, HR is NOT the first place
to go.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> So in my opinion you did things exactly in the right
> order.
>
~~~
You still don't get it.
I know you are intelligent. Not sure why you are toeing this corporate line
you got going.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> Qualifying for a promotion and deserving the promotion are two
> different things. Many corporate environments I h
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:05 PM, trish simon wrote:
> Why so much hate for unions? They serve a useful purpose, a bit
> radical and political at timesbut very useful.
Is this addressed to me? I couldn't tell.
I think that we agree one this - they do server a useful purpose at
times, and a
I'm glad you did both. Your experience is almost exactly what happened to
several people I know, in one way or another.
I know not everyone likes to read, but the links I sent - are priceless.
When you have a bit of time, I would at least read this one:
http://www.mediate.com/articles/davenport.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> Of COURSE there's people who "think" they are being mobbed or bullied who
> actually arent - but there's people on welfare that don't need it either,
> yet they get it.
>
> This is however a VERY real issue.
I agree that it exists.
> It ca
That is fantastic Hatton ... that's what I was hoping for.
Since our lives center around working ... and it makes up the majority of
our existence ... making sure that part of our psyche and soul is nurtured,
has to be very very important.
I hope they take it to heart. Those websites had a lot o
Do you know how many states are "at will" states?
Means that you can be fired for any reason whatsoever.
Know how many people have complained to an HR department, and then
subsequently been fired not too long afterward? Even WITH "whistleblower"
laws in effect?
The number would astound us I ass
Why so much hate for unions? They serve a useful purpose, a bit
radical and political at timesbut very useful.
On 8/20/10, trish simon wrote:
> I went to human resources when I returned from sick leave, when the
> first sign of a problem began. I knew the director of H.R. from a
> previous
Sounds like you did everything you could before going to the union...
I just wasn't clear on that from your initial posting.
It's rough out there sometimes - glad you finally found resolution!
-Cameron
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM, trish simon wrote:
>
> I went to human resources when I re
Wish it always worked that way.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Yes and no...HR is there for the company by ensuring that the rules are
> followed in regards to how the employees are treated. So in doing so, they
> are also looking ou
I'm only talking about people that have actually been affected by this.
Of course in any situation ANYWHERE for ANY subject, there are differences
of opinion...
Of COURSE there's people who "think" they are being mobbed or bullied who
actually arent - but there's people on welfare that don't need
ROFLMAO!! LOL!!! /me wipes tears from eyes
Seriously though. I wish that were the case in every company. But guess
what. HR dept's work for the company. And in ACTUALITY - most BIG
corporations have corrupt HR departments.
I wish I were a millionaire right now. Because I'd give
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> America does NOT represent the best style of western civilisation.
>
And this is based on your many years of living in the United States, as well
as several other western civilizations?
--
No matter how close to yours another's steps have
I went to human resources when I returned from sick leave, when the
first sign of a problem began. I knew the director of H.R. from a
previous job, and I approached her as a friend. She knew my record was
impeccable, but she also agreed that seeking another job was a good
idea, at least out of my
That is very interesting. Thanks Jerry, I look forward to a follow up.
Cheers,
Judah
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> A former campaign manager, Donald Williams, for Senator Reid made some
> controversial statements about Senator's Reid. In order to back these
> statem
> Came across this Facebook page after doing a bit of research on the topic of
> "workplace mobbing":
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bellingham-WA/Healthy-Workplace-Bill/338636856649
>
> Seems over 37% of the American Workforce are subjected to "workplace
> bullying or mobbing"
Back to the origi
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Jacob wrote:
> HR is there for the company, not the employee.
If you come to HR and tell them someone is harassing you, and they do
nothing about it, you can sue the crap out of the company. They may
be employed by the company, but they are not strictly there o
A former campaign manager, Donald Williams, for Senator Reid made some
controversial statements about Senator's Reid. In order to back these
statements, Mr. Williams sat for a polygraph test and released the results
for public consumption. The test was performed by James Hannah, of the firm
Eye
> HR is there for the company, not the employee.
Technically true, however HR is there to make sure the company follows
the rules as well. These include things like FMLA, Worker's Comp,
Unemployment, coaching, warnings and termination.
Until Later!
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http://www.eastcoastconserv
"Personally I think we need to do something about Congressional pensions
before we look at term limits. Otherwise we'll have this beast of a budget
problem in the form of hundreds of former congressmen who were only replaced
by more congressmen we have to pay for the rest of their lives because of
Yes and no...HR is there for the company by ensuring that the rules are
followed in regards to how the employees are treated. So in doing so, they
are also looking out for the employees.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Jacob wrote:
>
> HR is there for the company, not the employee.
>
>
> ---
HR is there for the company, not the employee.
-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 7:04 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Workplace bullying or mobbing
Out of curiosity, did you contact the HR department of your company?
Personally I think we need to do something about Congressional pensions before
we look at term limits. Otherwise we'll have this beast of a budget problem in
the form of hundreds of former congressmen who were only replaced by more
congressmen we have to pay for the rest of their lives because
For each item on this list I can recall an example of someone at a
workplace who thought this was happening to them but they were flat
out wrong. They wanted credit for something they didn't really
contribute to. The thought they were owed a promotion due to
seniority when in fact they were inco
Out of curiosity, did you contact the HR department of your company?
This isn't mentioned at all in your post so it's unclear if you
attempted to do so. Unions are not the first line of defense for this
sort of thing and neither is quitting your job. Contacting HR would
be my first step.
Alot o
> Sorry Trish, according to the peeps on this list, the unions are all evil
> organizations
> bent on destroying free market capitalism. Please rephrase your story to
> comply
> with this view. ;)
Ready for a double-take Zaps? You're not *entirely* correct with your
generalization.
When doin
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I'm not familiar with the man or the quote, but could he have been
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Right.
So we 'need' a one world hegemony centered around America.
Heaven help us if that's the road we end up going down.
America does NOT represent the best style of western civilisation.
On 20 August 2010 02:19, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> Gotta give the lady props for continuing to speak out.
Sorry Trish, according to the peeps on this list, the unions are all evil
organizations bent on destroying free market capitalism. Please rephrase your
story to comply with this view. ;)
On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:23 PM, trish simon wrote:
>
>
> After 11 years of employment at this place I nev
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