I think the debate over gun ownership should be a local issue. Makes a
big difference whether you are in inner city Baltimore or rural
Montana.
Dana
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From: Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:51:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Assault Weapo
Jeff,
Thanks for that good information.
Jerry Johnson
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Hi all,
I'm a coworker of Matt's, so please don't flame him if you don't like what I say. Im replying on his account because I'm a competitive shooter and have some knowledge about this issue. Please bear with me, and Ill try to fill you in on some things.
I would say that the NRA does in fact
We is evil is all.
So are you still in the US or elsewhere by now. If you can't answer
because of obvious reasons, that's cool.
larry
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:20:29 -0400, Timothy Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How dare you people have this conversation while I am not around:)
>
> Tim -- Far
I _knew_ that if you were around you could give a lot more than $.02, but I
also knew where you were! Good to know that you are able to check in!
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From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:20 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Assault
How dare you people have this conversation while I am not around:)
Tim -- Far far away!!
>Actually if the enemy runs out of ammo they can be quite valuable. :)
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Actually if the enemy runs out of ammo they can be quite valuable. :)
> A gun of any size dropped in retreat is of little
> value.
> - Original Message -
> From: Jim Campbell
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re
I agree with that too. I'm not rabid about guns. Heck, I don't own
any. I'm more annoyed by our propensity to pass "feel good" laws like
the AWB that are about making people feel safer by banning
superficialities. Similar to how the federalizing of airport screeners
and random checks has been shown
I'm probably opening up myself to a royal flaming, but I cannot see
the connection between the other freedoms and the second amendment.
Most democracies do not have firearms enshrined in their constitutions
yet they do not exactly look oppressed. For intance, Canada, Britain,
Australia, New Zealand
The ban of civil war relics is another aspect of the way the
definition of "assault weapon" was peculiar. In the legalese of the
bill, they referred to the existing legal definitions of rifle,
pistol, shotgun, and antique. IIRC, the bill wasn't explicitly banning
them but because they got caught up
ect you some day.
>
> - Matt Small
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: S. Isaac Dealey
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 10:37 AM
> Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban Question
>
> > Ok, fair enough. I guess that I can understan
have a Bazooka. He might have to use it to protect you some day.
- Matt Small
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From: S. Isaac Dealey
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban Question
> Ok, fair enough. I guess that I can understand th
Its been years, but from what I remember, a 40mm round is around 12
inches in length, at least.
larry
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:03:53 -0400, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It may be only 50 caliber in diameter, but it is really, really long.
>
> Actually, I have a black powder musket th
I don't know much about it but I was told the original
ban included a couple of powder loaded civil war
relics and that pissed off collectors.
Also, only fully-auto uzi's are banned. You can buy a
semi-auto uzi and saw off the pin in 5 minutes making
it fully-auto. The point is the ban was just for
It may be only 50 caliber in diameter, but it is really, really long.
Actually, I have a black powder musket that is an unfortunate .48 caliber. But it is six feet long. So there.
I would NOT want to get hit with a .50 (or 12.7mm).
(I don't want to get hit with _any_ projectile, in case anyone w
Lets look at it the other way:
a 50 cal is only a half an inch.
Or to rephrase it:
HOW MANLY IS A HALF-INCH YOU MISERABLE LITTLE WIMP. THAT'S MICROSCOPIC.
larry
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:41:08 -0400, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But that's a 157!
>
> (O.K., a 1.57 caliber, but stil
ge -
> From: Jim Campbell
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Ban Question
>
> No, no, no, Jerry...
>
> 40 mm is only 1.5 inches or so. Now what sounds bigger?
>
>
> An inch and
But that's a 157!
(O.K., a 1.57 caliber, but still...)
My numbers are still bigger.
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/21/04 11:28AM >>>
No, no, no, Jerry...
40 mm is only 1.5 inches or so. Now what sounds bigger?
An inch and a half, good sir.
or
FORTY MASSIVE MILLIMETERS, AH
A gun of any size dropped in retreat is of little value.
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From: Jim Campbell
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Ban Question
No, no, no, Jerry...
40 mm is only 1.5 inches or so. Now what sounds
Well, given that 40mm is about 3.2 times as big as a wimpy .5 cal,
I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
larry
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:24:17 -0400, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's un-American.
>
> mm is a fancy French term, which we don't use around here.
>
> *belch*
>
> Wha
No, no, no, Jerry...
40 mm is only 1.5 inches or so. Now what sounds bigger?
An inch and a half, good sir.
or
FORTY MASSIVE MILLIMETERS, AH HA HA HA!
- Jim
Jerry Johnson wrote:
>That's un-American.
>
>mm is a fancy French term, which we don't use around here.
>
>*belch*
>
>What
That's un-American.
mm is a fancy French term, which we don't use around here.
*belch*
What caliber would that be in real-man terms?
Metrics is for wimps,
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/21/04 11:10AM >>>
If you're goinig to go that route, get a 40mm autocannon. Why use
something as wim
If you're goinig to go that route, get a 40mm autocannon. Why use
something as wimpy as a 50 or a few rockets. Pour on the testosterone.
larry
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:07:01 -0400, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course not. Rambo proved a 50 is a one handed personal weapon. You need
Of course not. Rambo proved a 50 is a one handed personal weapon. You need a phalanx of rocket launchers for the bed of your pickup. See the heavily armed pickup trucks used by Chad against Libya in the late 80s for good examples.
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/21/04 10:57AM >>>
Do you me
I hear you. Back when AM General first offered Humvees to the public
(maybe 10+ years ago?) my mom refused to buy one if it didn't come with
any antipersonnel equipment. Who can blame her?
- Jim
Doug White wrote:
>Do you mean that I cannot have the 50 mounted in the bed of my pickup truck?
>
Do you mean that I cannot have the 50 mounted in the bed of my pickup truck?
:-)
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From: Kevin Graeme
It's important to know though that a fully automatic M-16 would still
be illegal even if there is no assault weapons ban.
Assault weapon != machine gun.
It's important to know though that a fully automatic M-16 would still
be illegal even if there is no assault weapons ban.
Assault weapon != machine gun.
-Kevin
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:37:18 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find that a good M-16 is much more effective when hun
> Ok, fair enough. I guess that I can understand that line
> of thinking from
> them (the NRA) in that their concern is that if there is
> any limiting
> legislation, it could become a slippery slope. I still
> don't see the need
> for these weapons to be readily available, either for
> hunting (LO
AM
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Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban Question
Ok, fair enough. I guess that I can understand that line of thinking from
them (the NRA) in that their concern is that if there is any limiting
legislation, it could become a slippery slope. I still don't see the need
for thes
I think the "ban" side's motivations for extending the ban are
obvious. Guns are used to kill people.
The no-ban side's argument is a little more involved, but not without
merit. 1. Responsible gun ownership is a right. 2. The term "assault
weapon" as used in this legislation is a bit of a misnome
home
defense, but oh well...
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From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:47 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Ban Question
Your average gun-rights folks are fine with the ban, Marwan. Problem is, the
NRA lobby doesn't necessarily
e ban that says "you cannot own this type of gun" is unacceptable to the NRA.
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From: Marwan Saidi
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban Question
And that would be political. Why are they pus
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Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban Question
>>I guess what I am asking is that I don't see the need for Uzis, Tec-9s
etc.
to be available at Wal-Mart, so why allow the ban to expire?
One of the reasons that I know of it the NRA is pushing HARD to keep this
issue from being vot
>>I guess what I am asking is that I don't see the need for Uzis, Tec-9s
etc.
to be available at Wal-Mart, so why allow the ban to expire?
One of the reasons that I know of it the NRA is pushing HARD to keep this
issue from being voted on. I am sure there are many others.
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okay! on a computer at the hotel now and I do see them... lol.
Dana
>Hi Dana,
>
>You be hanging out with some strange characters! (see below)
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: dana tierney
>
>... it¢¥s actually pretty cool. Make sure you respect the speed limit in
>town and otherwise you
so am I and they aren't even using a different character set!
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From: dana tierney
I am getting scattered chinese characters in my emails.
Dana
Outbound email scanned for viruses. (e230)
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uh... I don¢¥t see any strange characters in that message... unless you are talking about my spelling of pretty
I do however think this computer may be using a different ISO character set though, I am getting scattered chinese charactes in my emails.
Dana
>Hi Dana,
>
>You be hanging out with so
Hi Dana,
You be hanging out with some strange characters! (see below)
-Original Message-
From: dana tierney
... it¢¥s actually pretty cool. Make sure you respect the speed limit in
town and otherwise you don¢¥t see the law unless you call them, pretyy
much... and maybe not then :)
Ou
Yeah I just revisited Leakey TX on the way to Mexico... pop 387 and the biggest town in the county, which has one and a half sheriffs... it¢¥s actually pretty cool. Make sure you respect the speed limit in town and otherwise you don¢¥t see the law unless you call them, pretyy much... and maybe not
Everyone would be a football star? (basketball player, Congressman, Catholic Bishop)
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/03/04 11:37AM >>>
The way it was explained to me when I was hanging out in Montana was this:
"Yeah, here Montana you can drive down the road doing 100MPh, a beer between yo
Yeah, you better run from us well-armed rednecks!
Actually, the only gun in my home is a water pistol that doesn't work
very well (used for running off stray cats).
--benD
dana tierney wrote:
> nonono that¢¥s Kentucky...
>
> oops Nick and BenD are both in this thread aren¢¥t they...
>
> (run
> I'm wondering why I know that name... wasn't there a person who insulted
you, off-list, about some homosexual thread we were having? Was it that
person?
Why yes, yes it was. Something about being a fag commie or some such. And
yet I defended him when he got flamed here. Of course, he flamed to
Its gonna take more than that to get our guns. Enough bourbon and you have a
chance, but dont bet on it.
_
From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:35 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Ban
nonono that¢¥s Kentucky...
oops Nick
The way it was explained to me when I was hanging out in Montana was this:
"Yeah, here Montana you can drive down the road doing 100MPh, a beer between your legs,
your pistol sitting on the dashboard, and your 14 year old girlfriend with her head on your lap -
huh huh, aint that great?"
And I w
nonono that¢¥s Kentucky...
oops Nick and BenD are both in this thread aren¢¥t they...
(runrunruns...)
Dana
> Naw,
>
> You just have to offer up enough beer and wimmen, and maybe a shiny
> pocketknife. It's purdy!
>
> Jerry Johnson
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/03/04 11:22AM >>>
> I think
Naw,
You just have to offer up enough beer and wimmen, and maybe a shiny pocketknife. It's purdy!
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/03/04 11:22AM >>>
I think you can have rocket launchers in Montana with the proper federal
license. Good luck taking the guns from the people in that State.
I think you can have rocket launchers in Montana with the proper federal
license. Good luck taking the guns from the people in that State.
>Without average citizens having access to military grade weapons, the
>second US civil war which will bring down the American Empire can't
>happen.
>
>I t
Stupid democrat controlled congress taking away our guns!!!
>Driving in I just missed them saying something about the Assault Weapons
>Ban. It sounded like the police were asking lawmakers to renew the ban in
>their vote today, but I thought the expiration wasn't until Sept.
>
>Anyone hear anythin
>> Without average citizens having access to military grade weapons, the
>> second US civil war which will bring down the American Empire can't
>> happen.
>>
>> I think that Americans should all have access to rocket launchers and
>> even Tomahawk missiles if they can afford them actually.
>
>Where
you forgot WMD, Gel, for shame.
>Without average citizens having access to military grade weapons, the
>second US civil war which will bring down the American Empire can't
>happen.
>
>I think that Americans should all have access to rocket launchers and
>even Tomahawk missiles if they can afford
> I think the correct tense is "was" and drop the "now". I don't think he
> liked us much. Called us deviants. Not sure if that was an insult.
I think it was meant to be an insult, yes. I, personally, was gratified
he noticed. It's nice to be noticed, you know?
--benD
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e: Where's Cantrell? (Re: Assault Weapons Ban)
> So is Greg Luce now the 'Token' Christian? :-)
I think the correct tense is "was" and drop the "now". I don't think he
liked us much. Called us deviants. Not sure if that was an insult.
-Kevin
[Toda
> So is Greg Luce now the 'Token' Christian? :-)
I think the correct tense is "was" and drop the "now". I don't think he
liked us much. Called us deviants. Not sure if that was an insult.
-Kevin
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So is Greg Luce now the 'Token' Christian? :-)
- Matt Small
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From: Kevin Graeme
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:28 AM
Subject: Where's Cantrell? (Re: Assault Weapons Ban)
> Without average citizens having access
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:58 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban
>
>
> I have an AR-15 that was manufactured in 1988, the things are
> more trouble than they are worth.
>
> The breach has a tendency to scrape and (short of hiring
>
-
From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban
Yeah the reporting is very badly worded. What I am getting is that they
attached the "gun show loophole" and Assault Weapons Ban as riders to a
bill
that wou
outside forces,
including the federal government should that time come.
_
From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:34 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Ban
I see/hear the 2nd amendment quoted often, however, rarely hear about the
rest
of the
show up when the
country has been in hard times.
_
From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:55 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban
FN yes (having qualified on the Canadian C-1, C-2 SAW and C-3 variants).
But again what's th
e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:28 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Where's Cantrell? (Re: Assault Weapons Ban)
>
> > Without average citizens having access to military grade weapons, the
> > second US civil war which will bring down the
> Without average citizens having access to military grade weapons, the
> second US civil war which will bring down the American Empire can't
> happen.
>
> I think that Americans should all have access to rocket launchers and
> even Tomahawk missiles if they can afford them actually.
Where is Adam
I see/hear the 2nd amendment quoted often, however, rarely hear about the rest
of the sentence in that amendment relating to a "Well regulated militia" Isn't
it somewhat a stretch to include an individual as militia or would it be more
like the National Guard?
-
Beyond all of that, the s
> I have no problems with the second amendment, lets just not forget that
the
> super ordinate clause is the phrase well regulated militia, meaning the
> national guard etc. Its been a position that the Supreme Court, the body
> charged with interpreting the Constitution and laws based on it, has
a
Without average citizens having access to military grade weapons, the
second US civil war which will bring down the American Empire can't
happen.
I think that Americans should all have access to rocket launchers and
even Tomahawk missiles if they can afford them actually.
This includes all t
> and National Guard and their equivalents. Moreover, lets not forget the
> first part of that amendment referring to a well-regulated militia. To me
> that means the national guard and reserves.
That's what it means to you, but that's not what it necessarily means. The
intent was to protect not o
with for over 120 years.
larry
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> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:48 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Ban
>
>
> > Besides what's the use of this sort of firear
t need a weapon that can shred the trunk of a 40
year Spruce in less than 3 minutes.
larry
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:46 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban
>
>
> Not
ese weapons from the citizenry is such a good idea.
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From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:37 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban
Fortunately given that the ban was attached to a pretty nasty bill
indemnifying fire
> Besides what's the use of this sort of firearm to people. What is it
really
> good for but to kill lots of people. Its not something that you can hunt
> with - this sort of weapon is inaccurate beyond a hundred yards. All its
> good for is killing people. Better to get rid of that sort of weapon.
l to
shoot.
Beyond all of that, the second amendment protects our right to arm ourselves
for defense, not hunting or target shooting.
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From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:37 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Assault W
larry
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:24 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban
>
>
> Thank god. Reason and literacy in congress?
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Braver
ike I will be able to get cheap AKs again soon. Hell might even be
able to afford an AR-15 if the prices come back down to 1994 prices.
yay
Tim
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From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:43 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: R
> Thank god. Reason and literacy in congress?
Actually it looks like an interesting convergence of things. They passed the
AWB extension as an amendment to another gun bill that would have protected
gun manufacturers from lawsuits. They also passed an amendment to close the
gun show loophole and
Thank god. Reason and literacy in congress?
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From: Ben Braver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:57 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Ban
I just heard something about Congress voting to not extend the
ban when it
I just heard something about Congress voting to not extend the
ban when it expires.
-Ben
>Driving in I just missed them saying something about the Assault Weapons
>Ban. It sounded like the police were asking lawmakers to renew the ban in
>their vote today, but I thought the expiration wasn't unt
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