look Ray, they haven't moved the place ;) There are things that have an exact
answer, and things that don't. Whether a given cartoon is truly offensive to a
Muslim fundamentalist is probably one of the latter. Maybe that's why we're
wasting so much bandwidth on this side issue. Where a geographi
>> Rockville, MD 20852
>> (301) 770-9610 x 335
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:40 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to clo
they mainly stick to killing their own ;) You get the odd kidnapping, if you
count a carjacking. But the expectation of arrest is probably still pretty low.
::shrug::
Getting back to *my* original point, as several people here have said, there
are violent ganges everywhere.
No, it is not smar
20852
> >(301) 770-9610 x 335
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> >-Original Message-----
> >From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:40 PM
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> >of
No,
That's the point I was trying to make.
Tim
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:52 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
> offices.
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>Liking it has nothing to do with it. Living in the Virginia suburbs and
>driving the beltway into Maryland does not me
But, to get back to the original question, do the gangs in Anacostia
walk around with their guns on public display, in front of everybody,
including reporters and cops, and have absolutely no expectation of
arrest or prosecution? Do they fire weapons in front of the police and
walk away unaccosted?
ille, MD 20852
>(301) 770-9610 x 335
>
>-Original Message-----
>From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:12 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
>offices.
>
>It's bee
> -Original Message-
> From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:33 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
> offices.
>
>
> of course. My point is that the person who s
335
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>-Original Message-----
>From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:12 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
>offices.
>
>It's been about five years. But I still read th
of course. My point is that the person who said this stuff only happens "over
there" was wrong.
>What was your original point in mentioning that DC has violence? I
>think every city in every corner of the world does. Basically
>anyplace there's humans.
0-9610 x 335
>-Original Message-
>From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:09 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
>offices.
>
>Please. When was the last time you were in
The original point was that in some countries (Palestine, Syria,
Somalia and others), the "gangs" have free run of the streets, and can
commit crimes, threats, bombings, kidnapping and murder without fear
of arrest or prosecution (and in many cases with police support). So
much so that they actual
> Dana wrote:
> There was no specification as to whom the violence is directed against.
What was your original point in mentioning that DC has violence? I
think every city in every corner of the world does. Basically
anyplace there's humans.
Minneapolis has gang violence, although I have no qua
There was no specification as to whom the violence is directed against. By the
way, the below was always true. A lot of the violence was territory disputes,
guys found dead with duck tape around their eyes and wrists. Or does that not
count as violence in your book?
>No there isn't. They don't
February 07, 2006 12:02 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
> offices.
>
>
> Here is what I said
>
> >Anacostia?
> >
> >> respect for the rule of law. Where else do you see armed gangs roaming
&
Here is what I said
>Anacostia?
>
>> respect for the rule of law. Where else do you see armed gangs roaming
>> the streets killing people at will without fear of retribution?
Yes, gangs is contained in the question I was answering. I will grant you that
in general they don't fuck with you if y
ssage-
> From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:12 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
> offices.
>
>
> It's been about five years. But I still read the Wasjhington
>
vernment allows terrorists to close down EU
> offices.
>
>
> in Anacostia??? Sorry, I just don't believe that. Where, specifically?
>
> >Last night at a show.
> >
> >The rate has dropped a ton.
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >>
>
>
nt: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:09 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
>offices.
>
>Please. When was the last time you were in Anacostia?
>
>
>
>The rate has dropped a
in Anacostia??? Sorry, I just don't believe that. Where, specifically?
>Last night at a show.
>
>The rate has dropped a ton.
>
>Tim
>
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Right near there. In the warehouses.
Tim
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> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:39 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
> offices.
>
>
to close down EU
offices.
Last night at a show.
The rate has dropped a ton.
Tim
> -Original Message-
> From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:09 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists t
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:09 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
offices.
Please. When was the last time you were in Anacostia?
The rate has dropped a little, the vilence has moved to the suburbs a bit,
but it is
Last night at a show.
The rate has dropped a ton.
Tim
> -Original Message-
> From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:09 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
> offic
Please. When was the last time you were in Anacostia?
The rate has dropped a little, the vilence has moved to the suburbs a bit, but
it is still there.
Dana
>Nope, not any more.
>
>Tim
>
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Nope, not any more.
Tim
> -Original Message-
> From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:53 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
> offices.
>
>
> Anacostia?
>
Key phrase, "Without fear of retribution".
Kids in DC street gangs may show a sense of bravado, but they know damn well if
they get pinched they are going to the joint and it isn't going to be pretty.
In the last place I lived on Capitol Hill, my next door neighbor had done seven
years for ban
Anacostia?
> respect for the rule of law. Where else do you see armed gangs roaming
> the streets killing people at will without fear of retribution?
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true dat
>Underlying this is people's personal paradigms of muslims, terrorists,
>western hegemony, secularization, etc. Basically, even though we're
>talking about the same topic, we're not actually talking about the
>same things.
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Should I equate all white people to the murder of negroes and to the
Ku Klux Klan that is still allowed to operate in the US?
You see, the same thinking does not apply logically to anything.
On 2/3/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Since when is a Muslim responsible for everything another
You are so wrong.
you unequivocally equate those criminals that carried out the attacks
on the WTC with all Muslims. And that is incorrect and wrong.
They do not represent all Muslims, any more than Timothy McVeigh
represented Christians.
I have never met a muslim that would commit a terrorist ac
This whole moral equivalency thing is getting tired, man.
This isn't a discussion about religious tolerance or freedom of speech, it is a
discussion about respect for the rule of law. Muslims in the U.S. are not
rioting in the streets over these cartoons. Why not? Because they believe in
the ri
The argument "They do it too" is EXACTLY the point of this whole argument.
EVERYONE publishes cartoons offensive to someone else. That is the
very nature if a political cartoon. Often, that is the PURPOSE of a
political cartoon.
EVERYONE eventually finds something outrageously offensive. The
ques
This is the first time you have ever admitted in this thread that the
cartoon was offensive.
I do not promote nor do I agree with the violent response by extreme
individuals in various countries.
However I also do not promote the prejudice, intolerance and bigotry
displayed by many against anothe
Gel,
I agree that the cartoon was offensive. Even maybe deliberately offensive.
I agree that the editorial decision to run the article (including the
images) needs to be discussed to see if it was too far over the line.
I don't agree that the publisher should have been fired, but I don't
mind that
On 2/3/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or it could mean that they see the value of Respect for Religion and
> people of different faiths. And just as they are sensitive about what
> they would post about Christians they are similarly sensitive of what
> they would post about Islam.
>
> Sure
The cartoons are from September. It's only an issue because of boycotts and
threats of death. If there were no threats, there would be no issue. Jews
and Christians don't threaten death when cartoons against them are posted so
there's never an issue. Again, look in Arab newspapers to see what th
ect: Re: Palestinian government allows terrorists to close down EU
offices.
> Or it could mean that they see the value of Respect for Religion and
> people of different faiths. And just as they are sensitive about what
> they would post about Christians they are similarly sensitive of what
&g
Well, inspite of the "I'm more religious tolerant than you are" implication,
this was a good post.
And you are right, I don't think the paper should have published the
cartoons. The Muslim world should have responded. Should they have responded
with guns? No. Our point is simply that those who
Or it could mean that they see the value of Respect for Religion and
people of different faiths. And just as they are sensitive about what
they would post about Christians they are similarly sensitive of what
they would post about Islam.
Sure Re Freedom of Speech the Danish newspaper, French Newsp
Actually I saw something like what you are asking for last night on Adult
Swim as part of Moral Orel.
Tim
> -Original Message-
> From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:00 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Palestinian government allow
There are 2 core issues here.
1. Islam's traditions of not depicting religious figures
2. Traditions of freedom of speech in the West.
Where does one tradition supercede the other?
It's a culture clash of heterogeneous western culture where one
religion's edicts aren't absolute and a distancing
It means that they feared for their reporters lives, so they refused
to publish the pictures (or even provide links). Much as CNN has been
known to do in the past, they caved to appease the violent extremists.
They respect the fact that the violent extremists WILL try to kill
them if they print su
You miss the point.
CNN did not show the images because of Respect for Islam.
Can you explain that line?
What does 'Respect For Islam" mean?
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Get off the crack. I see 'respect for Islam' almost every day on PBS. I see
cartoons in papers using religious icons all the time. Your upset because
they have not been shown on TV? Get off it. A cartoon, even one that pisses
people off is not TV news. It's something that is left in a paper beca
Whatever drugs you're onplease share.
It would be nice to be this completely cluelessif even for a little
while.
Vivecyer nuts man.
>I want to see the shots and photos on Western television of Jesus humping
>Mary.
> They have been made, and were part of a political cartoon aga
very nice.
On 2/3/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I want to see the shots and photos on Western television of Jesus humping
> Mary.
> They have been made, and were part of a political cartoon against George
> Bush.
>
> Why haven't these been publicised???
> FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
>
> What is
I want to see the shots and photos on Western television of Jesus humping Mary.
They have been made, and were part of a political cartoon against George Bush.
Why haven't these been publicised???
FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
What is wrong with CNN talking about 'Respect' for Islam? FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
I wan
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