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Thanx Adam. Jboss is a bit daunting at first. I am so used to Tomcat. Everything seems to be popping up BD these days. We are all very excited about this at our shop. We have using MM/Adobe CF for years and are taking a *very* serious look at BD. We really want to move towards a Java platform. Sel

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I know my entry is not for Railo but the directions I have posted could easily be used to get Railo running on Jboss. I hope this helps introduce a few people to Jboss Eclipse and their choice of CFML engines. http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2008/03/jboss-eclipse-and-bluedragon.html Adam Haskell On

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>See that's the problem. Everyone is more than happy to jump on the band >wagon *after* there is a mature solution which is worth their time. >However, the chicken precedes the egg here, and the chicken is a >community of developers willing to put in months (or years) of work to >get a product to

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ing with Oracle as opposed to a problem you were having with MySQL. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:28 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source > > On the consumer level, you

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I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it... The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features not available in the free version), you pay for licensing. == And pay you do! MySQL Enterprise Platinum is $4,999 USD /Server/Year.

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do that. I hope Adobe follows suit. /*> /*> Eric /*> /*> /*-Original Message----- /*> /*From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*> /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:50 AM /*> /*To: CF-Talk /*> /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source /*> /* /*> /*On Tue, M

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I think there is more than a large enough market...one that could increase with competition. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:34 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source /* /*Seriously, /* /*Adobe

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-Talk /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source /* /*On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote: /*> atitude time and again in the CF community: when Adobe introduces new /*> syntax it's innovative, but when another vendor does it's disruptive. /*Last /* /*Adobe 'own' CFML (the l

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PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:58 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source /* /*> See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another /*> company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it /*> not the responsibility of Adobe to maintai

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Sean Said: Since Adobe (Macromedia / Allaire) created ColdFusion, I don't think they have any responsibility to "maintain compatibility" since they created the de facto standard. The burden is on other companies to build compatible CFML engines, IMO. Nor do Adobe have any incentive to create a comm

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ugh paid support, and even then they're not done properly. Just my $0.02. RUss > -Original Message- > From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:50 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source > > I would s

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that seriously encourages people to use a product when they can do that. I hope Adobe follows suit. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:50 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source /* /*On Tue, Mar 1

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On Wednesday 12 Mar 2008, Brad Wood wrote: > I sure hope I'm wrong-- I really do; but I think "Successful Open > Sourced CF" is a utopia many of us long for, but few of us would > actually get dirty for. I'm not sure many of us have the depth of Java knowledge that would be required. See also CFE

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ld actually get dirty for. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source I remember last time I looked at the CF alternatives, BD was the only one that seemed mature. Others see

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On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Tanguy Rademakers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, the person i was talking about is a certain Paul Vernon (NA's site is > up, just checked). OK, I don't remember the thread then. I'll go read up on it. > See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another c

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occurrences... --Ferg - Original Message From: Tanguy Rademakers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:22:09 AM Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source >Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe >hasn't standardized

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> Nobody could argue that NA haven't made every reasonable > effort to ensure compatibility between BlueDragon and CFMX - > as you point out, that's the business they're in. But when > Adobe willingly breaks compatibility with BlueDragon by > implementing a BD feature in a non-compatible manner

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rket share. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 March 2008 11:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source >Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe >hasn't standard

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>Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe >hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor >selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise have >no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product that >p

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>From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another >> company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it >> not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility >> when they themselves add the same feature? Should the other >> compan

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On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote: > atitude time and again in the CF community: when Adobe introduces new > syntax it's innovative, but when another vendor does it's disruptive. Last Adobe 'own' CFML (the language). They can do what they like and still claim to be 'compatable'. >

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> See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another > company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it > not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility > when they themselves add the same feature? Should the other > company in question break backwards compatibility wit

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> I would hardly describe Peter Farrell as an "Adobe fanboy" especially > since he was running his site for a long time on BlueDragon! No, the person i was talking about is a certain Paul Vernon (NA's site is up, just checked). > > only to have it come to light that NA implemented cfthread befo

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Tanguy Rademakers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Last year some Adobe fanboy was bitching out the NA list because the syntax > of the cfthread tag is different in BD 7 and CF 8 If you're talking about Peter Farrell's questions about cfthread (I can't read the threa

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only caveat > would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm really > anxious to see the details there. I'm not sure what your concern is he

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JBoss has a regular web server in it. Its very easy to run BlueDragon for J2EE on Apache. You will need a J2EE app server like JBoss to run BD. That said, its relatively easy to integrate JBoss/BD with Apache. Steve Brownlee gives a very good tutorial on this at http://www.fusioncube.net/?p=111.

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;s engine would be a great thing IMHO. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:17 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source > > If the above is truly their intention,

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If the above is truly their intention, this is HUGE for the CF Community. == Trust me-- I am excited to see what this will bring too; however, if an open source CFML engine is such a door-opener, then why hasn't everyone jumped on the Smith Project and proliferated CFM

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> Isn't the point of this whole thing to spread the use of cfml, and to such > end, to have a cfml engine installed on every linux hosting company offering > PHP, wouldn't this be where the blue dragon open source version of their > product is going to be put to the test? Precisely, and I really d

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Isn't the point of this whole thing to spread the use of cfml, and to such end, to have a cfml engine installed on every linux hosting company offering PHP, wouldn't this be where the blue dragon open source version of their product is going to be put to the test? Every $5 a month hosting company

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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source > Exactly. > We don't want someone adding to their engine, whilst > another uses > (or doesn't have it at all). Ideally I can take a project > and run > it with no changes on Adob

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1:14 PM, Tanguy Rademakers < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >But it will be up to New Atlanta and the BlueDragon Open Source > >Steering Committee whether your suggestions will be accepted. Open > >source does not mean that everyone can just pile in and change the > >sour

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> Exactly. > We don't want someone adding to their engine, whilst > another uses > (or doesn't have it at all). Ideally I can take a project > and run > it with no changes on Adobe, or Railo, or Smith, or BD, or ... So i guess this means the CFML language is now set in stone forever? Or by

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>But it will be up to New Atlanta and the BlueDragon Open Source >Steering Committee whether your suggestions will be accepted. Open >source does not mean that everyone can just pile in and change the >source. Sure, you could modify your *own* copy to add features - but >that will j

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On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Sean Corfield wrote: > source. Sure, you could modify your *own* copy to add features - but > that will just create lots of incompatible engines. Everyone will need > to work with the process, like Sun's JCP and all the other successful Exactly. We don't want someone adding

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Tanguy Rademakers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Being open source isn't much one way or the other, tbh. > Well, if people want to add features that are missing, now they can. But it will be up to New Atlanta and the BlueDragon Open Sourc

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On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote: > I think NA deserves a big warm hearted "thank you" from the whle CF > community for taking this step. Oh, I say 'thanks', but I don't believe, for instance, it's going to speed the inclusion of Remoteing (OpenAMF) into the product. -- Tom Chive

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> It's "just another" CFML engine with not quite the same features as > the 'offical' one. > Being open source isn't much one way or the other, tbh. Well, if people want to add features that are missing, now they can. And it's more than "just another" CFML engine - it will be the only mature CF

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On Monday 10 Mar 2008, Jordan Michaels wrote: > You can tie J2EE servers into Apache. In fact, the Smith Project has a > simple step-by-step on how to do that with tomcat: > http://smithproject.org/doc_preinstall.cfm As does Railo (which comes with the Resin J2EE server by default). >there's *NO

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>> Very easy. IIRC you can do it with a CFX tag. Let me clarify: Very easy for pre v. 7 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Guido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- "I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it." - Pablo Picasso ~~

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te the source? Is that > even possible with CF? I mean yea you can encrypt your code, but it's > that > fairly easily decrypted? > > Russ > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 200

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> -Original Message- > > From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:01 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source > > > > > >The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still n

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x27;s that fairly easily decrypted? Russ > -Original Message- > From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:01 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source > > >The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's

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>The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still not for commercial use. >If that's true, then it's really no better then the free bluedragon product >that they're currently offer. They seemed to be open sourcing it just to >get some free help with the development of the server. Where did

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. They seemed to be open sourcing it just to get some free help with the development of the server. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:26 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source >

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You can tie J2EE servers into Apache. In fact, the Smith Project has a simple step-by-step on how to do that with tomcat: http://smithproject.org/doc_preinstall.cfm I'm anxious to see the details of the new license agreements, as that will be the determining factor into how it's used by hosting c

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I am pumped. One thing I did notice was it was the J2EE version. Which, if I understand correctly, is the version that is deployed on a Java App server like TomCat or JBoss and not a "regular" web server like Apache or IIS. Which is all fine with me in that is the direction I am heading anyways. B

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Dang it, you stole my comment! On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whats even more interesting is that announcement is from the future ;) > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Interesting: > > > > http://www.newatl

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More info here: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=EABF951D-453A-486E-9647E2825D1E6F39 (watch the wrap) >http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce. >jsp ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 s

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Whats even more interesting is that announcement is from the future ;) On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting: > > http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce. > jsp

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Interesting: http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce. jsp ~Brad ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick