Look at Yahoo, eBay, Amazon and Google. I'd guess they are
among the most heavily used sites and they rely on standard
light/white background, dark/black text, blue underlined
links and (for the most part) standard form elements. Minor
differences, but they don't stray far from the
Dave Watts wrote:
That puts the developer of the Flash application in
control, not me.
And in my browser I can shift-click to open in a new
window and control-click to open in a new tab.
I don't think that's really a fair comparison. In an application interface,
the application developer
On Friday, Jun 20, 2003, at 19:00 US/Pacific, Dave Watts wrote:
That puts the developer of the Flash application in
control, not me.
And in my browser I can shift-click to open in a new
window and control-click to open in a new tab.
But that's the browser developer being in control - the
Sean A Corfield wrote:
On Friday, Jun 20, 2003, at 19:00 US/Pacific, Dave Watts wrote:
That puts the developer of the Flash application in
control, not me.
And in my browser I can shift-click to open in a new
window and control-click to open in a new tab.
But that's the browser developer
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 2:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
Sean A Corfield wrote:
On Friday, Jun 20, 2003, at 19:00 US/Pacific, Dave Watts wrote:
That puts the developer
On Saturday, Jun 21, 2003, at 11:23 US/Pacific, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
But that's the browser developer being in control - the behavior you
describe is specific to the browser you use.
Specific to the way I tell my browser to behave.
If you're lucky enough to have a browser that lets you
Yep, Flash is that good. You need to trust me, not this author.
Flash does a lot right now, and this guy chose to focus on it's usefulness
in animation and graphics. That's a very poor representation of Flash's
abilities, and the article is anything other than a critique of it's role in
Oh dear...this is going to be another one of those Friday threads. :)
Friday, June 20, 2003, 9:33:41 AM, you wrote:
JB This is a bit off topic but I wanted to ask this question specifically to
JB this audience. There seems to be a sence that Flash is this awesome platform
JB for rich internet
oops... clicked on the wrong message for my reply...
;)
Here is my opinion:
Here at work we have a horribly designed Intranet that was built by the
coder that I replaced. It is built in ASP(classic) and uses SQL 2000 for
the
database. Now the interface is all HTML and it is very bad. Hard to
its cool.. its friday. we will let it slide. Pull that crap on Monday and
its a different story. :-) j/k
Enjoy your friday.
Mike
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From: Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is Flash really
Originally Published: September 1, 1999
Last Updated: April 26, 2000
Today: June 20, 2003 - a lot(stress that) has been added to flash since then
-Original Message-
From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Is Flash really THAT
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Yep, Flash is that good. You need to trust me, not this author.
Flash does a lot right now, and this guy chose to focus on it's
usefulness in animation and graphics. That's a very poor representation
of Flash's abilities, and the article is anything other
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Originally Published: September 1, 1999
Last Updated: April 26, 2000
Today: June 20, 2003 - a lot(stress that) has been added to flash since
then
-Original Message-
From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL
Ok, first off, that article was written years ago. Although there are probably more
flash animations online than back
then, Flash has still made leaps and bounds of progress.
Secondly, how much DHTML have you done? Now, how much cross browser DHTML have you
done? How much database driven
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
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From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Yep, Flash is that good. You need to trust me
, June 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Seth,
What is interesting is that even though this article is 4 years old, all of
his points are still valid. Sure Flash has new features but his points are
in regards to how Flash is used, not what it's features
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Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:28 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
Ok, first off, that article was written years ago. Although there are
probably more flash animations online than back
then, Flash has still made leaps and bounds of progress.
Secondly, how
At 10:27 AM 06/20/03 -0400, CF Dude wrote:
While I having nothing against Flash itself, I do find it is often poorly
used (but so are graphics, and that doesn't make them bad. Some comments
on the pages you show.
http://www.2advanced.com/flashindex.htm
Cool. But it makes my cable feel like
about
the product. Useless prattling like this only makes me mad...
M
-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Well I'm feeling adventurous...
I think all the points
However, with a thread like this, it makes me think that you
are like the others who bitch about flash yet haven't seen
any flash movies worth while. Here are a few flash sites
that I consider to be worth your viewing.
http://www.2advanced.com/flashindex.htm
http://www.egomedia.com
Friday, June 20, 2003, 10:27:56 AM, you wrote:
CD Secondly, how much DHTML have you done? Now, how much cross browser DHTML have
you done? How much database driven
CD DHTML have you done? Although it's not apples to apples, you can deliver cross
browser / stand alone apps, in flash
CD that
charge to get the rest of the Admin
Application complete...
All with the same code.
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From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Seth,
What is interesting is that even though
Wow...if Tim Berners-Lee read that, he would probably be incredibly
saddened.
Is this what it's come too? The entire reason for the success of the
web is now the reasoning behind making it proprietary and in the
hands of corporations?
--
jon
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Friday, June 20, 2003,
Really? Name just one UI component/paradigm that is possible
in Flash that isn't possible in DHTML.
How about an org chart?
http://www.figleaf.com/development/flash4/orgchart/orgchart.cfm
(Actually, you could do this in DHTML, but it wouldn't be cross-browser, and
it wouldn't work very well,
Division
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From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Adam;
This author makes no valid points. He simply takes shots at what he
doesn't
like to condemn a product wholly
Well, call me old school, but I find these sites annoying and difficult to use. It
is my firm opinion that the vast
majority of web users do not care for this stuff. It is meant to impress developers,
techies and managers but it is
hopelessly unfriendly to the majority of users who simply want
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Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Really? Name just one UI component/paradigm that is possible
in Flash that isn't possible in DHTML.
How about an org chart?
http://www.figleaf.com/development/flash4/orgchart/orgchart.cfm
(Actually, you
Friday, June 20, 2003, 11:22:21 AM, you wrote:
Really? Name just one UI component/paradigm that is possible
in Flash that isn't possible in DHTML.
DW How about an org chart?
DW http://www.figleaf.com/development/flash4/orgchart/orgchart.cfm
DW (Actually, you could do this in DHTML, but it
Really? Name just one UI component/paradigm that is possible in Flash that isn't
possible in DHTML.
The point I was making was that you can't take the EXACT same code from a DHTML app
and run it in all of the browsers
that support flash. With flash you can.
E
The subject was UI though.
I thought the topic was Is flash really that good and Flash is evil, not flash
doesn't look good.
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From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
C To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
C Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:22 AM
C Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Really? Name just one UI component/paradigm that is possible
in Flash that isn't possible in DHTML.
How about an org chart?
http
I am cautiously stepping into this conversation..
And I wish I had a different sample to post then my own - because I am
sure their will be a issue or too...
But - everyone just started tossing around cool and pretty sites -
2advanced etc, estudio, ego - I think these are typical of the 2000 to
than using HTML or DHTML.
If anyone cares, I will post and an example of my search app to show you
what I mean.
Clint
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From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
I doubt
, 2003 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good
| oops... clicked on the wrong message for my reply...
| ;)
|
| Here is my opinion:
| Here at work we have a horribly designed Intranet that was built by the
| coder that I replaced. It is built in ASP(classic) and uses SQL 2000
CF Dude wrote:
The point I was making was that you can't take the EXACT same code from a DHTML app
and run it in all of the browsers
that support flash. With flash you can.
Safari Opera + new Macromedia website???
How quickly we forget.
Jochem
I could write a script that onKeyUp change the contents of an html widget fairly
Hmm. I tried the following code in IE6, MOZ1.1, and Opera6 and it didn't work in Opera6
input type=Text name=test onkeyup=alert('yo');
Flash will work in all 3 browsers.
DHTML - 0
FLASH - 1
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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
I doubt the 10 minute figure, but with some forethought I could write
a script that onKeyUp change the contents of an html widget fairly
quickly. Say 20 minutes...I've done
But - everyone just started tossing around cool and pretty sites -
2advanced etc, estudio, ego - I think these are typical of the 2000 to
2002 era.. certainly graphically inspiring - but an odd url to post for
if flash is that good - the demos don't show flash being used other
than pretty
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From: Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good
2 days huh? That is awesome
I have taken the liberty of forwarding your email address to our HR
department.
There is a chance
Friday, June 20, 2003, 11:30:41 AM, you wrote:
The subject was UI though.
CD I thought the topic was Is flash really that good and Flash is evil, not flash
doesn't look good.
You are getting semantic. I'll spell it out though
1. The subject of the original post was what you say.
2. One of the
Safari
I wish I had a MAC to test this, but I don't.
Opera + new Macromedia website???
On a pc, I went and only had a problem because I had JS turned off. File / enable
Javascript got me going.
I thought we were talking about flash
E
Yeah, but this list is made up of developers and techies, not
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Yes, developers and techies who talk about using Flash and other technologies in the
real world to deliver real apps for real users. The list also includes many
professionals who need to understand the needs of
If anyone cares, I will post and an example of my search app to show you
C what I mean.
C Clint
C - Original Message -
C From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
C To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
C Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:34 AM
C Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
I doubt the 10 minute
CF Dude wrote:
Safari
I wish I had a MAC to test this, but I don't.
Opera + new Macromedia website???
On a pc, I went and only had a problem because I had JS turned off. File / enable
Javascript got me going.
I thought we were talking about flash
Search the archives for the
Jon Block wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong. I admit I have only got into Flash a little bit but every
time I do, I end up asking myself why I am wasting my time with this tool.
As application developers, do you take Flash seriously?
Yes.
Do you think it does
or will ever make since to use it for
I've always equated Flash movies with special effects in movies. The best
special effects in movies are the ones you don't even know are there.
Sometimes I'm on a site and I realize wow how'd they do that ... and then a
right click on a certain area of the screen reveals its a Flash movie. Thats
Ehh...onKeyPress then? I would think that would be self evident.
jon
Friday, June 20, 2003, 11:41:21 AM, you wrote:
I could write a script that onKeyUp change the contents of an html widget fairly
CD Hmm. I tried the following code in IE6, MOZ1.1, and Opera6 and it didn't work in
Opera6
CD
Search the archives for the complaints. The site has been changed after
that and some progress has been made on making Flash work all the way on
Opera and Safari, but when the Macromedia site was launched it was
pretty much IE and Mozilla/Netscape only.
I was not aware of that. I still think
F*( the customer. We're not talking about customers.
Yikes! Do you develop business-related web apps? If so, double yikes!
I'll stand by what I said, but only in this context only.
Unfortunately, too many people see simple uses for flash, and not the good uses.
Again, yikes! Simple vs.
I see no reason for us to sell it out for fancier user interfaces.
Did you say that when Mosaic came along, why didn't you stick with Lynx?
-Original Message-
From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good
the desired results.
-Original Message-
From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
I've always equated Flash movies with special effects in movies. The best
special effects in movies are the ones you
I see no reason for us to sell it out for fancier user interfaces.
TS Did you say that when Mosaic came along, why didn't you stick with Lynx?
TS -Original Message-
TS From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
TS Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:50 AM
TS To: CF-Talk
TS Subject: Re: Is Flash
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
Can Flash be run outside of the Flash plugin? Uh no.
Can you guarantee to me that the Flash plugin
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-Original Message-
From: Lofback, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
However, with a thread like this, it makes me think that you
are like the others who bitch about
-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Uh oh, here we go again. I've taken the 'flash is unnecessary' side
before. So I'll try my hand at the argument that flash is the future.
Usability, usability, usability. I'd imagine that probably only 5% (if
we're lucky) of web developers have studied
!
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From: Lofback, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:07 AM
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| However, with a thread like this, it makes me think that you
| are like the others who bitch about flash yet haven't seen
| any
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From: Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
Unfortunately, There are a ton of Flash web sites, that are either media
centric, cartoon centric, or game centric, and there is a dearth
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If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done!
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From: Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good
| If the apps that I built
wouldn't make
it into a flash movie as it doesn't do anything. i'm not defending flash as an
animation tool, but as a tool that can do much much more.
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really
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Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
Ok, here is a simplified version of what I did for my company.
http://www.solowebworx.com/search.html
Now, this is a quick example and not a FULL example of what I was
talking about.
If anyone is interested
Here is a good use of Flash. http://www.3dfestival.com/tmp/kozoFlash.htm
-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
I personally dislike flash forms where you can't tab from field
:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
I personally dislike flash forms where you can't tab from field to
field, and when you hit enter with the cursor in any of the fields,
the form won't submit. That in my experience is the way users are
trained to use a form.
Greg
These are things a good developer handles for. Tab controls are certainly
easy to add to a form in Flash.
M
-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
I personally dislike flash
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
Ok, here is a simplified version of what I did for my company.
http://www.solowebworx.com/search.html
Now, this is a quick example and not a FULL example of what I was
talking
about.
If anyone is interested in the code, I will post a zip of it on my site
true true. I think it just is easy to not go that extra mile and those are
the sites that incur this terrible reputation for flash.
-Original Message-
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good
So is this: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail57.html
- Original Message -
From: Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:11 am
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Here is a good use of Flash.
http://www.3dfestival.com/tmp/kozoFlash.htm
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TS Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:21 PM
TS To: CF-Talk
TS Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
TS I did...I didn't go Windows, X or otherwise, until Win95b (Memphis).
TS Besides, I think stuff like http://www.csszengarden.com/ is
TS incredible and quite fancy enough for any
it if a big auto company, a major online retailer, or
someone that the general public sees would switch to an RIA.
M
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From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
true true. I think
make things more efficient...but you'd be wrong
-Original Message-
From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
I disagree, I think it's our duty to fight off trends in technology
that are focused more
As for non-standard navigation, what make flash navigation
non-standard
in compared to HTML. What is standard navigation anyhow? Standard
navigation doesn't exist. It's just a concept.
I don't agree. Blue, underlined text is nearly universally understood as a clickable
link, and the vast
TS Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
TS I disagree, I think it's our duty to fight off trends in technology
TS that are focused more on marketing than on getting stuff done more
TS efficiently (I don't think Flash necessarily fits in this category).
TS That's why computers were invented
submit. That in my experience is the way users are
trained to use a form.
Greg
-Original Message-
From: Clint [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
Ok, here is a simplified version of what I did for my
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Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
As for non-standard navigation, what make flash navigation
non-standard
in compared to HTML. What is standard navigation anyhow? Standard
navigation doesn't exist. It's just a concept.
I don't agree
Ok, here is the code for the simple example that I showed earlier.
http://www.solowebworx.com/download.cfm
Now, let me say this again... this is not a FULL example of this kinda of
app. This is a small taste that was built specifically to show this kind of
search interface.
Please feel free to
: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:36 PM
AWL To: CF-Talk
AWL Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
As for non-standard navigation, what make flash navigation
non-standard
in compared to HTML. What is standard navigation anyhow? Standard
navigation doesn't exist. It's just a concept.
AWL I don't agree
This thread has been the most interesting part of my day.
-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Fridays are such fertile ground for technology debates.
Adam Wayne
:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
Friday, June 20, 2003, 1:32:25 PM, you wrote:
TS example: i work for a large company, car rides home are free after a certain hour
since public transp is deemed unsafe...previously the dispatcher was doing this all by
paper, i wrote
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:36 PM
AWL To: CF-Talk
AWL Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
As for non-standard navigation, what make flash navigation
non-standard
in compared to HTML. What is standard navigation anyhow? Standard
navigation doesn't exist. It's just a concept.
AWL I don't
it for everyone.
--
Thanks, Mark
-Original Message-
From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
There have been numerous scientific studies and papers on web site
navigation and user experience, which
Message-
From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
Friday, June 20, 2003, 1:32:25 PM, you wrote:
TS example: i work for a large company, car rides home are free after a
certain hour since public transp is deemed
www.miniusa.com-buildyourown-minicooper
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From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Well, these days I don't know if even that is true. There are a lot of good
sites being
Blue, underlined text is hardly navigation. That's just a common
identifier for a link, which in HTML is an action, not necessarily
navigation. A link can do a number of things like execute a javascript
function or dhtml.
Google, since you mention how standard it is, does not use
this
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Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
I disagree, I think it's our duty to fight off trends in technology
that are focused more on marketing than on getting stuff done more
efficiently (I don't think Flash necessarily fits
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From: Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
I personally dislike flash forms where you can't tab from field to
field, and when you hit enter with the cursor
();
}
}
Key.addListener(listener);
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mike chambers
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From: John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
I agree with you on that one! Discover card has a little desktop
CF_UsabilitySoapBox
Well, this is quibbling over minor differences and word definitions. And I
know I'm blowing against the wind here, but the simple fact is that users
know what to do with blue, underlined text and HTML buttons. Why deviate
from something that users know? It only makes it
, June 20, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Blue, underlined text is hardly navigation. That's just a common
identifier for a link, which in HTML is an action, not necessarily
navigation. A link can do a number of things like execute a javascript
function or dhtml
it's unfortunate that we have to fight off a trends because bad design
becomes standard.
the user experience can become enriched whatever medium it is delivered
in. I think what sets us back in when people compare cf to flash or
dhtml to flash
All these tools can play friendly together. I
At 01:35 PM 6/20/03 -0400, Lofback, Chris wrote:
I don't agree. Blue, underlined text is nearly universally understood as
a clickable link, and the vast majority of users recognize a standard HTML
button widget. These are instantly recognizable and usable. I'd argue
that for all practical
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Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Blue, underlined text is hardly navigation. That's just a common
identifier for a link, which in HTML is an action, not necessarily
navigation. A link can do a number of things like execute
20, 2003 3:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Yeah I definitely agree with everything you are saying. Well... mostly.
I'm just saying that traditional navigation schemes transcend the media.
Just because it's done in flash doesn't mean you can't have blue
underline links
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From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
At 01:35 PM 6/20/03 -0400, Lofback, Chris wrote:
I don't agree. Blue, underlined text is nearly universally understood
I just want to make sure that everyone understands:
You can have blue links in Flash.
mike chambers
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From: Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good
FMX also supports a limited amount HTML text in the movies.
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From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just want to make sure that everyone understands:
You can have blue links in Flash.
mike chambers
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Just jumping in here...
It sure would be a dull world if nothing evolved. If that were true, we
would not have nice cars (they would all be horseless carriages
: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
I just want to make sure that everyone understands:
You can have blue links in Flash.
mike chambers
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From: Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Guess you missed it...
http://www.riseinteractive.com/cftalk/
chris
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
I demand proof!
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jon
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Friday, June 20
example by Chris Kief: http://www.riseinteractive.com/cftalk/
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From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
I demand proof!
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jon
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Friday
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good?
I demand proof!
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jon
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Friday, June
i don't think i was listening to much to this branch of the thread :)
i thought someone was talking about visited links and whatnot
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From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:46 PM
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