RE: Support Passed [7:44599]

2002-05-21 Thread adam lee
Read the RA book and you'll be fine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Support Passed [7:44599] Ok, well I started kinda backward, but I passed my CCNP Support test, and I'm now

Re: Support Passed [7:44599]

2002-05-21 Thread Erwin
So Support is the first exam you took? Kinda strange because normally once you passed Routing, Switching, and Remote Access, you start taking the support. How did you manage the troubleshooting section of Remote Access in Support ? =) It was quite sometime back when I finished my CCNP, but my

Re: Help needed [7:44360]

2002-05-21 Thread jc theard
Hi, thanx for your reply. what do you mean by default commands exactly? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44602t=44360 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report

EIGRP NBMA and multicast together.. [7:44603]

2002-05-21 Thread suleman ibrahim aboo
Hi, Can anyone please help me on this- Its about EIGRP NBMA and multicast together.. EIGRP uses 224.0.0.10 for its hello packets. In an NBMA environment such as Frame Relay how does this work ? Does each FR interface need FR Multicasting enabled (I know of the BROADCAST cli option but not

RE: accessing server slow over t1 [7:44355]

2002-05-21 Thread C restion
Hey George, Before you start taking any actions, first use a Sniffer to see what is causing the delay. It's no use implementing anything unless you know it's going to be effective. Hth, Crestion Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44604t=44355

Securing SNMP [7:44605]

2002-05-21 Thread Postman Pat
Greetings, I would like to run SNMP on my router and would like some advice on how I could secure it. I would also like some input from you guys on whether you recommend SNMP at all as it seems like the only route that I can take in monitoring traffic on our internet access link. Regards LK

Ip helper address: which is the mac address? [7:44608]

2002-05-21 Thread TP
Dear group, When my CPE comes up, it makes a dhcp request. The DHCP server is located on a different subnet .Between dhcp client (CPE) and dhcp server there is a router whit ip helper-address configured. My question is the following: if the DHCP server has to assign a specific IP address to a

Re: Ip helper address: which is the mac address? [7:44608]

2002-05-21 Thread M.C. van den Bovenkamp
TP wrote: Where DHCP will read the correct mac address before giving the right IP address? From the CHADDR (Client Hardware ADDRess) field in the DHCP packet. Regards, Marco. Message Posted at:

Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611]

2002-05-21 Thread cebuano
Excerpt from Doyle's Vol.2 page 792. Labs also provide an area of the network where you can just play around with the commands, testing the effect of misconfigurations and practicing troubleshooting. The lab can be used in this way for training and CCIE preparation. Only with a lab can you

RE: Support Passed [7:44599]

2002-05-21 Thread Mike Sweeney
Cody Lerum wrote: Ok, well I started kinda backward, but I passed my CCNP Support test, and I'm now working on my Remote Access. I have the cisco press books, which I love, but is there anything I should know about the remote access test? Cody Lerum, CCNA, (1/4)CCNP Know your ISDN

Re: Securing SNMP [7:44605]

2002-05-21 Thread Langa Kentane
Any way to configure anti-spoofing on the router, since it's trivial to spoof UDP packets? --- Pat- I create an access list that allows one ip address (my NMS) and denies all others. Collin Postman Pat wrote in message news:... Greetings, I would like to run SNMP on my

RE: debug ppp authentication [7:44575]

2002-05-21 Thread Mike Sweeney
This is off a 2504. It's also on my other 2500s with 12.x code What are you running for a router? one of those space heaters from a long time ago ;-) MikeS CentralRouter#debug ppp authen CentralRouter#debug ppp authentication ? CentralRouter#debug ppp authentication PPP authentication

Re: Ip helper address: which is the mac address? [7:44608]

2002-05-21 Thread Chris Charlebois
The DHCP server doesn't read the actually MAC address of the client PC. The DHCP client builds a DHCP request packet that includes the client's MAC address. The DHCP relay just passes that packet to the DHCP server, along with additional information (such as what subnet the request is coming

Re: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611]

2002-05-21 Thread Johnny Routin
Nice of you to take Jeff's words and use them out of context. I believe what Jeff meant is that as we are experienced network engineers pursuing CCIE certification, we should set up a lab for practice as we cannot perform the necessary configurations on our production networks. The thing you

RE: Fans too Noisey (2500 Series Router) [7:44571]

2002-05-21 Thread Kent Hundley
Maybe not if you keep the room temperature low enough, but your going to need a lot of air conditioning. ;-) Seriously, disconnecting fans will eventually cause your router, or any computer, to fry. Without heat dissapation, your components will eventually just quit working and fill your house

Re: problem with crypto access list !!! [7:44598]

2002-05-21 Thread Jim Gillen
Pat Some comments: 1. For IPSec to work the access list at the other end for the crypto map priority that is matched in the SA must be the mirror of yours ie. access-list 120 permit ip 10.54.1.0 0.0.0.255 10.55.1.0 0.0.0.255 2. issue a sh crypto ipsec sa command with the access list still

RE: Mounting Brackets? [7:44503]

2002-05-21 Thread Mike Sweeney
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Re: problem with crypto access list !!! [7:44607]

2002-05-21 Thread Robert Carpenter
What versions of code are you using on the routers. pat 05/21/02 01:32 AM Hello Jim, Thank you for the response. 1) When I said access-list 20 I meant 120. This is not applied to any interface. I am not doing telnet through tunnel. 2) Acess-lists are mirror image but the numbers are not

Re: Securing SNMP [7:44605]

2002-05-21 Thread MADMAN
Yes. If your network is 192.168.1.0/24 deny all packets trying to enter your network with a source of 192.168.1.x. Dave Langa Kentane wrote: Any way to configure anti-spoofing on the router, since it's trivial to spoof UDP packets? --- Pat- I create an access list that

Re: problem with crypto access list !!! [7:44606]

2002-05-21 Thread Brian Apley
Did you mean access-list 120, as opposed to access-list 20? If you have a crypto map applied to an interface, and remove the ACL associated with the crypto map, you get the same results as if you deleted an interface-applied ACL without removing the application- IOS assumes the null ACL is a deny

RE: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611]

2002-05-21 Thread Moffett, Ryan
I think that everyone agrees that in order to pass the CCIE lab, you have to spend a decent amount of time in a lab playing with scenarios and technologies you might otherwise have never experienced in a real life network, or experienced it so long ago that you don't have any where else to test

Re: Securing SNMP [7:44605]

2002-05-21 Thread senthil
hi, you may - define an access-list let only the host you want to to snmp access the kit - enable ip verify unicast reverse path checking on all interfaces. cheers! sen Quoting Langa Kentane : Any way to configure anti-spoofing on the router, since it's trivial to spoof UDP packets?

Re: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611]

2002-05-21 Thread cebuano
I posted this message in response to a lot of rap, crap, xyz-rap, etc. that individuals who devote their time, effort and money towards advancing their knowledge and skill (and hopefully career) by building their own home lab because this is the ONLY way they can get experience are getting. When

RE: Securing SNMP [7:44605]

2002-05-21 Thread Kent Hundley
Check out the SNMP section in this doc: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ics/cs003.htm Additionally to the above suggestions, I would add: -Do not allow SNMP write capability, you almost never need it -Choose a _strong_ SNMP RO community. It should contain special characters

RE: Console Kit for 1924 [7:44619]

2002-05-21 Thread Rah Hussain
This link may help you if you want to get one made http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/28201900/1928v5x/icg5x/c sspec.htm (watch word-wrap) Rah -Original Message- From: Justin Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 21 May 2002 15:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Errata for Coriolis books? [7:44638]

2002-05-21 Thread Robert Kulagowski
Now that Coriolis is kaput, does anyone have the errata for Exam Prep books 640-503 (Routing) and 640-504 (Switching)? I've tried to use google to see if any were available, but apparently Coriolis was using a dynamic page on their support website, so google didn't cache it. I'm already

council cable --- Cisco to Nortel/Bay [7:44639]

2002-05-21 Thread nettable_walker
5/21/200210:45am Tuesday Professionals, I have a Cisco terminal server controlling 15 Cisco routers/switches/PIXs I would like to add support for 4 Nortel routers. The Nortel council cable is DB9 female to BD 9 female strait thru. My plan is to plug plastic terminal adapters [ DB 9 to RJ

RE: Errata for Coriolis books? [7:44638]

2002-05-21 Thread s vermill
I'm not sure that they ever made errata files available to the public(at least none of any substance). And I have good reason to believe that, like all publishers, they ignored the feedback that they begged for. After a few automated we'll be in touch responses, I gave up on them. Only ever

RE: Errata for Coriolis books? [7:44638]

2002-05-21 Thread Robert Kulagowski
I was hoping that wasn't going to be the case (in that they apparently never did anything with the feedback). Does anyone have recommendations for a publisher that 1) Has good reading material for CCNP and 2) Actually maintains an errata page that incorporates feedback? As far as #2, I've had

RE: Errata for Coriolis books? [7:44638]

2002-05-21 Thread s vermill
I'm a big fan of most Cisco Press books. However, they totally ignore feedback and I know of times where folks have pointed out clear errata only to see the book go through several more printings with the same errrors. I read both CCNP libraries and found all but one of the books in them to be

Inquiry [7:44643]

2002-05-21 Thread elmoufti
Greetings, I am preparing for my CCIE in Security, can you suggest some few books to use as a guide?? You can assume I am a beginner in this field ; I do posses ccna-wan and mid way ccnp-LAN. Much Thanks. -Regards -Abe Message Posted at:

RE: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611]

2002-05-21 Thread Thompson Alton
Your comments are false and you sound very ignorant. I work with guys who have 20 years experience and to trouble shoot a problem take months. This is because they don't know how the protocols work. How much money can a company afford to lose when production is downloading for a considerable

RE: Errata for Coriolis books? [7:44638]

2002-05-21 Thread Kaminski, Shawn G
Actually, I believe Richard Deal (author of the Coriolis Exam Cram Switching) frequents this list occasionally. Hopefully, he'll see this and can address your concerns. Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Robert Kulagowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:13 PM

RE: Errata for Coriolis books? [7:44638]

2002-05-21 Thread Logan, Harold
Most of the Sybex books I've read have been too dummied down to be of any use by themselves, but Todd Lammle's writing style is easy enough to understand that you can take a technology you know nothing about, read a couple pages, then have a handle on the basics of it. From there it's easier (for

RE: Errata for Coriolis books? [7:44638]

2002-05-21 Thread Logan, Harold
One thing to add there, the most recent revision of the Networking Academy curriculum has animations that would have saved me hours and hours of headaches if I'd had them when I was first learning OSPF, and it also presents BGP in an understandable manner. -Original Message- From: s

Re: problem with crypto access list !!! [7:44598]

2002-05-21 Thread Alfredo Pulido
You will solve this problem if you first remove the crypto map xxx in the interface where you attach this crypto map xxx, then you can remove access-list or change configuration in the crypto map,etc. When you finish the reconfiguration, you put again the crypto map in the correct interface.

Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread rtiwari
Could somebody will please describe me the difference in between bridge and switch. Thanks Ravi Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44649t=44649 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread John Neiberger
Marketing! A switch is simply a multiport bridge. Bridges originally had very few ports, as few as two. When hardware became faster and manufacturers started adding more ports to their bridges they started calling them switches to differentiate them from their slower brethren with fewer ports.

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread Michael L. Williams
A switch is a multiport bridge. Think of a bridge that bridges together 2 networks (i.e. has two interfaces, one in each network). Then supposed you upgrade to a 3 port bridge, that can connect 3 networks. keep adding ports up to 4, 8, 12, 24, or even 48 and that's a switch.

Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 1:49 PM -0400 5/21/02, Thompson Alton wrote: Your comments are false and you sound very ignorant. I work with guys who have 20 years experience and to trouble shoot a problem take months. I suggest, Sir, that you examine your logic. The Internet and predecessors (including enterprise

RE: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread Kaminski, Shawn G
A bridge spans a body of water so that two pieces of land can be connected and switch is used to control the flow of electricityJust kidding! Try this link (watch for wrap)!: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/bridging.htm Shawn K.

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread Peter van Oene
Switching is a marketing term. You would be wise to focus on Bridging and Routing and when the word switch appears, read to fine print to figure out if the device in question bridges or routes. At 02:57 PM 5/21/2002 -0400, rtiwari wrote: Could somebody will please describe me the difference

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread senthil
ideally when during evalution there was a need for a device to interconnect two networks and bridges came into existence which let two segments to be connected, so that alfi in accounts can send messages to rita in marketing. when the greedy boss extended the company he bought in many computers

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread MADMAN
Switch = mega interfaced bridge. Dave rtiwari wrote: Could somebody will please describe me the difference in between bridge and switch. Thanks Ravi -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Thompson Alton
Do you remember Mainframe systems??? Do you remember LU and PU and logic controllers?? Do they all work the same as IP networks or VOIP and IP telephony networks? Do you know all the traffic in your data network??? You seem to be bitter about something. Do you want someone with 20 years

RE: Earth and grounding for CISCO products [7:44558]

2002-05-21 Thread Frank H
If you want a quick test to see if the earth is good or not, your voltmeter will do (on AC mode). Just stick one lead into the live socket and the other into the ground socket. If it reads the same as when measured between live and neutral, then your ground is good. Alternatively, if you measure

RE: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread Moffett, Ryan
John and Mike are both right. As a matter of fact, there are several definitions. In my opinion, the whole topic is adequately described in Interconnections, by Radia Perlman. Her take (in a nutshell) is that they are technically one in the same and that the difference is marketing

RE: debug ppp authentication [7:44575]

2002-05-21 Thread Cisco Nuts
Here is what I had on mine: 2 2524's RTG# 2d01h: Se0 PPP: Treating connection as a dedicated line 2d01h: Se0 PAP: O AUTH-REQ id 2 len 14 from RTG 2d01h: Se0 PAP: I AUTH-REQ id 2 len 14 from RTF 2d01h: Se0 PAP: I AUTH-ACK id 2 len 5 2d01h: Se0 PAP: Authenticating peer RTF 2d01h: Se0 PAP: O

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Hartnell, George
Shucks, folks, 'most everyone knows that the real world has its moments. Users. They generally provide considerable exposure to that which is perceived as real. 'Course, it's always nice to have a test-bed; but I think lab rat is a different definition. So, perhaps to lighten things up,

Re: CCIE Written Question [7:44578]

2002-05-21 Thread Love Cisco
Very good. just on time. I am going to take my CCIE written this Friday. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44663t=44578 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Peter van Oene
Why do you folks bother arguing these useless points? If you lost a job to someone who had less experience than you or vice versa, don't cry foul, go learn how to interview or reevaluate exactly what it is you bring to an employer and make sure you are getting that across. At 03:56 PM

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread Peter van Oene
This begs the question, what is the difference between a multi-port bridge and a switch? Or, what is a switch when it routes? I personally think bridge and router convey with relatively little ambiguity the function of a device whereas switch is simply a tool that marketing folks use when

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread rtiwari
is it good to say that Bridge supports up to 16 ports ans is software based. but Switch supports any number od ports and is hardware based. Peter van Oene wrote: This begs the question, what is the difference between a multi-port bridge and a switch? Or, what is a switch when it

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Jason Forrester
Peter, your a genius very good point. Jason CCIE 8748 Peter van Oene wrote: Why do you folks bother arguing these useless points? If you lost a job to someone who had less experience than you or vice versa, don't cry foul, go learn how to interview or reevaluate exactly what it is you

Help with pix!! [7:44668]

2002-05-21 Thread GEORGE
Hi users I was wondering if can someone help me out this this problem I been experiencing Users behind the firewall can open a session on this web site http://www.oit.ohio-state.edu/userpass.html it has a link to a telnet session to a particular port 1607 I create an access-list allowing some

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread MADMAN
ditto, you won't get an argument from me!!! Peter van Oene wrote: This begs the question, what is the difference between a multi-port bridge and a switch? Or, what is a switch when it routes? I personally think bridge and router convey with relatively little ambiguity the function of a

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Thomas Larus
I thought the experience versus certification debate had finally died a few days ago, but now it resurfaces over on the professional list. I may as well weigh in. The problem here is clear. Some folks with lots of experience are scared (or merely offended) that some manager or client might

DHCP NACK problems [7:44671]

2002-05-21 Thread Doug Korell
This may or may not be a Cisco issue but I am running DHCP on a NT 4.0 server and it's been giving Nacks for the past 5 days and is causing a major headache. Every Nack has been coming from the same subnet as the DHCP server which seems even more strange. I've watched the packets being

RE: Console Kit for 1924 [7:44619]

2002-05-21 Thread Phil Lorenz
Man- I had one of these a few years ago and if I'm not mistaken it's a DB9 female to DB9 female Null. All the best !!! Phil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Justin Clark Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Operation Firmware is invalid? Please help...Urgent [7:44673]

2002-05-21 Thread Justin M. Clark
Cisco ws-c1900 switch. Using db9F-rollover-db9F or null modem cable I can connect to the console port and get into Diag Console fine, but when I try to just plug in and configure the switch it just starts spitting out ATQ0H0 in hyperterminal PE. I hunted around and a couple places that I found

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Last but certainly not least, how many mainframe guys know IP networking. You provide me a list?Answer is very few. Not where I work. I know and have worked with quite a few mainframe guys (and at least one extremely knowledgeable mainframe gal - although I'm not sure she'd appreciate the

Re: Inquiry [7:44643]

2002-05-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh News flash! Consider getting a job where you use Cisco Security products? And you work for Cisco too... Now I really wonder about that company Theo elmoufti Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/22/2002 02:47 AM Please respond to elmoufti To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread adam lee
Whadda ya mean remember? We still have them and we have to support them as well as TR, Ethernet , SNA, Cisco,IP,Cabletron, Coax, etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Logic and

RE: Fans too Noisey (2500 Series Router) [7:44571]

2002-05-21 Thread adam lee
Take the covers off and take a big, giant fat and blow, baby, blow. Are better yet, how about moving it out of the living room or put some insulation in the room that it's in. But then again, 2500's are so cheap these days why bother. Remove the fans and buy another one when it melts!

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
And it's worth mentioning a couple other things too, just to confuse matters. ;-) Although a switch behaves like a multiport bridge, it is often placed in a topology where a hub used to go. Because a switch has so many ports, people use them to connect individual stations. Bridges were rarely

RE: Errata for Coriolis books? [7:44638]

2002-05-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
I have a new book coming out soon for the Support Test. And I plan to manage my own errata sheet (which hopefully will be very small ;-) rather than let the publisher do it. There's more info here: http://www.troubleshootingnetworks.com/ Priscilla At 01:13 PM 5/21/02, Robert Kulagowski

Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649]

2002-05-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
At 05:11 PM 5/21/02, rtiwari wrote: is it good to say that Bridge supports up to 16 ports ans is software based. No, I think the discriminator is 15 ports. Just KIDDING! Seriously, assigning a number is not necessary. Most bridges had just two ports, but there probably were a few vendors that

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
At 03:56 PM 5/21/02, Thompson Alton wrote: Do you remember Mainframe systems??? Yes. (And if you were asking Howard, the answer is emphatically YES ;-) Do you remember LU and PU and logic controllers?? Yes. Do they all work the same as IP networks or VOIP and IP telephony networks? Yes,

anybody ever try to make a token ring crossover cable ? [7:44682]

2002-05-21 Thread nettable_walker
5/21/20029:00pm Tuesday Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44682t=44682 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to

RE: anybody ever try to make a token ring crossover cable ? [7:44683]

2002-05-21 Thread Roberts, Larry
No such thing. Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: nettable_walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: anybody ever try to make a token ring crossover cable ? [7:44682] 5/21/20029:00pm Tuesday Message Posted at:

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread nrf
Amen to that. Humility is called for on both sides. Apparently I've been tagged around here as the 'King Experience' guy. The very ironic thing is that on another message board, I was the person who was arguing that experience was NOT as important as other posters had indicated (this was an

Re: Console Kit for 1924 [7:44619]

2002-05-21 Thread Michael L. Williams
Are you sure it's not DB9 to DB9 rolled? We have some of these older 1900s around, and we simply take the standard Cisco console (rolled) cable and stick a RJ-45 to DB9 connector on (similar to the one used to connect the cable to the laptop). Mike W. Phil Lorenz wrote in message [EMAIL

Re: Logic and quot;Lab Ratsquot; [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread nrf
Thompson Alton wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Do you remember Mainframe systems??? Do you remember LU and PU and logic controllers?? Do they all work the same as IP networks or VOIP and IP telephony networks? Do you know all the traffic in your data network???

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the other hand, who's more likely to show up to work late? Or show up drunk or high? Or get into a fight with his coworkers? Or surf porn in front of female coworkers? The guy who's been in the working world for 25 years or a new kid? Umm, off-topic, but enlighten me, please. Why is it

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Mike Mandulak
At 03:56 PM 5/21/02, Thompson Alton wrote: Do you remember Mainframe systems??? Yes. (And if you were asking Howard, the answer is emphatically YES ;-) HeHe! Heck I was doing some file transfer troubleshooting on a Mainframe towards the end of last year, I got elected because I knew the