, June 01, 2001 6:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
ON age
NO, I don't mind, unlike a woman I will reveal that I
am 59 years young and still ride a motorcycle, fly my
own airplane and water ski.
Unfortunately, age is a factor in reflexes, and memory
Williams
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I agree with you. It's awful easy for someone who's already gotten
their
CCIE (which when they passed the lab probably could be quoted as saying
someth
Hi,
Great. Nowadays you have IPSec, MPLS, Voice, Optical and you still need
CLNS/CLNP
for IS-IS. You can also argue whether Appletalk or IPX should be removed
or not.
These are important protocols that should be placed in an add-on
certification
for Desktop or Client/server issues. Me thinks
Tell us Louie what did you use.
Don
- Original Message -
From: Bradley J. Wilson
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
Well, again, Sir Edmund, just because the newcomers can be better-informed
before their attempts doesn't
and
maybe Giles. I believe his was the first guide. please correct me if I am
wrong.
Don
- Original Message -
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
When the CCIE cert first came about there were not 100+ books
mad steve
From: Chuck Larrieu
Reply-To: Chuck Larrieu
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Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:00:14 -0400
with regards to the contents of the exam, I am reminded of the time I told
my son that when I was his age I could name all
Rumour of new lab test centre in London.
Anyone confirm or deny.
Gaz
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Hi,
Great. Nowadays you have IPSec, MPLS, Voice, Optical and you still need
CLNS/CLNP
for IS-IS. You can also argue whether Appletalk or
VoIP Group
iReadyWorld
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Chuck Larrieu
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:00 AM
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Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
with regards to the contents of the exam, I am reminded
up a bit, otherwise we'll have to just agree to
disagree.
Louie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Bradley J. Wilson
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:13 PM
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- Original Message -
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Saturday, 02 June, 2001 09:33
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
Any CCIE or CCIE candidate worth his salt would want the lab to be
tougher.
A number of study aids are now available that were not in the past. This
has somewhat
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735] Date: Sat, 2 Jun
2001 23:06:15 -0400 Yes you are wrong (about my perspective). I have
helped several engineers study for and pass the CCIE written as well as
the lab. My concern is in preserving the value of the cert. As for
dog
and support in a cert.
I'm probably a bit biased though because that's exactly the order I took
:-) (except the CCIE part)
Kevin Wigle
- Original Message -
From: Craig Columbus
To: Kevin Wigle
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, 03 June, 2001 12:18
Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735
uie Belt
To:
Sent: Saturday, 02 June, 2001 09:33
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
Any CCIE or CCIE candidate worth his salt would want the lab to be
tougher.
A number of study aids are now available that were not in the past.
This
has somewhat lessened the di
You're correct that Cisco hasn't been in a big hurry to add lab
facilities. But, I'm not sure that I want additional facilities.
Part of the problem with the CCIE certification process is that there are
only two tests and successful candidates are (usually) paid quite
well. Let's say that a
, practice, practice - time managment is critical.
Louie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Cisco Kidd
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:57 AM
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I don't want to bash
03, 2001 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I have had numerous requests and have been unable to help everyone or
answer
everyone's questions. I do not have the time to help all that ask. I'll
be
the first to admit that I have ignored a number of email message due
I apologize to you Louie because I know you are busy. Thanks for the
info.
From: Louie Belt Reply-To: Louie Belt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735] Date: Sun, 3 Jun
2001 14:25:59 -0400 I have had numerous requests and have been unable
to help everyone
Oh come on Louie, I know your the real Messiah, after all I should know I've
followed a few.
K
- Original Message -
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I have had numerous requests and have been unable to help
Oh come on Louie, I know your the real Messiah, after all I should know I've
followed a few.
K
- Original Message -
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I have had numerous requests and have been unable to help
Oh come on Louie, I know your the real Messiah, after all I should know I've
followed a few.
K
- Original Message -
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I have had numerous requests and have been unable to help
the recertification tests
tougher as well.
I'm up to the challenge - are you?
Louie
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Bradley J. Wilson
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:11 PM
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- Original Message -
From: Louie Belt
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
Any CCIE or CCIE candidate worth his salt would want the lab to be tougher.
A number of study aids are now available that were not in the past
enks.
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From: Belt, Louie
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I filled out my survey and told them I wanted it to stay a two day lab -
and if anything - make it tougher. The explosion of m
I'm a little puzzled by all this. Certifications are fine, but they
are a beginning, not an end.
Now, I freely admit I'm in an odd position. As far as I am
concerned, I met the equivalent difficulty of CCIE in the pre-1975
CCSI program, which was radically different. I can't see my career
and maybe (just maybe) increase
the success rate at the lab.
Hopefully this would stave off any loss of respect for the cert and perhaps
even increase it.
Kevin Wigle
- Original Message -
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Saturday, 02 June, 2001 09:33
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab
, June 02, 2001 10:32 AM
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Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
If I weren't up to the challenge, I wouldn't be on this newsgroup. Are you
up to the challenge of leaving the bar at the same height that it was when
*you* passed the test? I personally think
Message-
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Michael L. Williams
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:09 PM
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Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I agree with you. It's awful easy for someone who's already gotten their
CCI
, 2001 9:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
Well, again, Sir Edmund, just because the newcomers can be better-informed
before their attempts doesn't mean that the challenge needs to be altered or
is less of a challenge for the individual.
Again, I'm
-Original Message-
From: CCIE Wanna BE
To: Belt, Louie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
Sent: 6/1/01 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
So what is everyone's take?
--- Belt, Louie wrote:
That is simply one possible solution. They have
sent a survey out to all
the exam is as hard (if not harder) than it's ever been.
Man- this cup of coffee I'm drink'n must not be decaff :o)
Phil
- Original Message -
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
When the CCIE cert first came about
too focused on passing the lab,
not on learning networking.
Louie
-Original Message-
From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 11:01 PM
To: Louie Belt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
Louie- I don't think we're
-
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
When the CCIE cert first came about there were not
100+ books avilable to
help you pass it. There were not a multitude of
online labs, lab study
guides, study
harder) than it's ever been.
Man- this cup of coffee I'm drink'n must not be
decaff :o)
Phil
- Original Message -
From: Louie Belt
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
When the CCIE cert first ca
Williams
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I agree with you. It's awful easy for someone who's already gotten
their
CCIE (which when they passed the lab probably could be quoted as saying
someth
That is simply one possible solution. They have sent a survey out to all of
the CCIE's to get their feedback and suggestions.
Louie
-Original Message-
From: CCIE Wanna BE
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/1/01 5:35 AM
Subject: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
A Cisco manager/CCIE
So what is everyone's take?
--- Belt, Louie wrote:
That is simply one possible solution. They have
sent a survey out to all of
the CCIE's to get their feedback and suggestions.
Louie
-Original Message-
From: CCIE Wanna BE
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/1/01 5:35 AM
sound too bad :)
I'd be very interested in how the format would change.
MM
-Original Message-
From: CCIE Wanna BE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
So what is everyone's take?
--- Belt
(not 2 cents...I still keep all of those and am waiting for
my checks.)
Allen
- Original Message -
From: ; Michael (CAP, AFS, Contractor)
To:
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
Sure move it to one day ---
Lets see we'll need
The survey was rather interesting. They also mentioned groupstudy and
ccbootcamp! :)
Personally, I think it should stay a 2-day lab and they should keep it just
the way it is.
Here's the questions they asked (compressed to save space):
Survey Start
1. What do you value most
stick a broom up my ar*e, and I'll sweep the floor at the same time
- Original Message -
From: ; Michael (CAP, AFS, Contractor)
To:
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
Sure move it to one day ---
Lets see we'll need to complete
moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
So what is everyone's take?
--- Belt, Louie wrote:
That is simply one possible solution. They have
sent a survey out to all of
the CCIE's to get their feedback and suggestions.
Louie
-Original Message-
From: CCIE Wanna BE
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED
I firmly disagree that a one day combined lab would be
a better method of evaluating ones knowledge of both design
and troubleshooting. This is just another way of demanding
one to be working in Internet time!
From what I have read on this discussion group about the
troubleshooting scenario is
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I filled out my survey and told them I wanted it to stay a two day lab -
and if anything - make it tougher. The explosion of materials available to
help people get though the written
ON age
NO, I don't mind, unlike a woman I will reveal that I
am 59 years young and still ride a motorcycle, fly my
own airplane and water ski.
Unfortunately, age is a factor in reflexes, and memory on
hesitates to memorize long lists of trivia such as exact
router capabilities, number of ports
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