What was that movie? Gattica? It focused on the DNA thing mostly, but
the people's complacency was also shown. Just do what you're told.
I find it funny that when liberals want change its called socialism
or pandering to people with hands out. While when neocons call for
change it's
Whjy are you afraid of a choice between the private insurers and a government
program? I said: choice.
Private insurers can't print money or tax their customers when times get tight.
You can't compete with the govt. Choice with the state is a bug, not a
feature.
If the issue are persons
I find it funny that when liberals want change its called
socialism
or pandering to people with hands out. While when neocons call for
change it's fanatical renegade John Wynism (I just made that up).
Nah, it's pretty much socialism when the Stupid Party does it too.
I don't
Once again I have to point out government programs aren't created and
meant to make a profit. Can you imagine the bitching if they actually
did? Where's the money going? Who's pockets are being lined? The
complaining never stops. It's one reason I stopped being a
professional photographer
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I was taught many years ago, that the more doctors you have in a
region the higher the prices. Doctors do not compete
The news report that I read said that the man whose little finger was bitten
off was a person who opposed health care reform, so presumably the man who did
the biting was a supporter of Obama's health care reform.
At 11:59 PM 9/5/2009, t.piwowar wrote:
I appreciate your faith. I guess the most
? Ithink it is funny
when people talked about poor and unhealthy as being the other...
Marcio
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Ok, and you have a problem
If it is for the common good... let´s do it.
Marcio
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Who would have thought the unions and government would own a car
company 15
How can the wealthy remain untaxed? Families making under 60k? a year don't
pay anything...who is paying?
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
Tom is right in a way that conservatives have been wanting for a long time,
but Mike is wrong--it's everybody's money
I listened to the last right/left/center podcast and A. Huffington was not
happy with the big O because he was striking the same backroom deals with
big RX everyone else always has. To believe this admin is 'different' then
the last in terms of goodness is a mistake. A lot of the same people who
The news report that I read said that the man whose little finger was bitten
off was a person who
opposed health care reform, so presumably the man who did the biting was a
supporter of Obama's
health care reform.
... who was defending himself against an attack from a healthcare opponent.
And you will get the same sort of treatment from a government-run program, only
worse, and you won't be able to sue the government.
Fred Holmes
At 02:30 AM 9/7/2009, Marcio wrote:
More refusals, more profits. This is the perversity of the system. You can
imagine how many time I spendarguing
At 06:40 AM 9/7/2009, Chris Dunford wrote:
who was defending himself against an attack from a healthcare opponent.
But liberals proclaim that you should never defend yourself against an
attacker. You should run away and call the police. Why did this individual
not follow the liberal
If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have
to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job
of it? Unlikely!
Fred Holmes
At 02:37 AM 9/7/2009, mike wrote:
I listened to the last right/left/center podcast and A. Huffington was
Not so.. in the political process you have a vote and your representatives.
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And you will get the same sort of treatment from
a disaster... I am glad that the
USA did not do it under Bush, this puppet of big business.
Marcio
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If you drive the drug companies out
Ok, and you have a problem with this why?
I think I've already explained this very clearly.
Do you really hate the poor that much?
Oh yes. They're easily overcooked and can get very chewy if you don't watch
them carefully.
I was mostly talking about the option everyone seems
Not so.. in the political process you have a vote and your representatives.
In a market process, I have much, much more than that.
I have hundreds of development companies to choose from for a home in my area
and no less than 8 different grocery stores chains/companies, who all want my
who was defending himself against an attack from a healthcare opponent.
But liberals proclaim that you should never defend yourself against an
attacker.
You should run away and call the police. Why did this individual not follow
the
liberal doctrine?
When _you_ are being
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote:
The news report that I read said that the man whose little finger was bitten
off was a person who opposed health care reform, so presumably the man who
did the biting was a supporter of Obama's health care reform.
Apparently
This is one subspecialty that is also elective surgery. Now say the
same thing about cardiac stints, hernia surgery etc.
Stewart
At 11:52 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:
The Lasik and laser eye surgery market is very competitive and you know the
prices going in. They advertise heavily and compete
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote:
But liberals proclaim that you should never defend yourself against an
attacker. You should run away and call the police. Why did this individual
not follow the liberal doctrine?
Where do you get this stuff? Off the
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote:
If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will
have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a
better job of it? Unlikely!
For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if
Then why are Cuban doctors fleeing to the US? See this article from the NYT.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/health/04cuba.html?_r=1partner=rssemc=rsspagewanted=all
phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote:
If you drive the drug companies
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Steve at Verizonstevet...@verizon.net wrote:
Then why are Cuban doctors fleeing to the US? See this article from the NYT.
For the money, primarily. Also, for a higher overall standard of
living or because they do not support the government there or they
have
Although it would be nice to cite a reference for the world's health
statistics, I suspect that if Cuba looks good in any such listing, it is
due to the Mussolini made the trains run on time principle. Cuban
physicians and other health workers do as they are told. I doubt anyone in
authority
Same with Canadian doctors.
When ever I have talked with Canadian Doctors coming down here to
practice it is not because the system is bad it is because they want
to make more money and live on par with their American
colleagues. (I am not sure if anyone has ever done a survey to see
what
My point is that for Cubans, they pay a very high price for their free
medical care, and that is a totalitarian government, human rights abuse,
no free press, jails full of political prisoners, required listening to
5 hour speeches by Fidel (before his illness). And even their mass
production
Jeff Wright
OK on the Mackey thing. Yes I did read it, and he has
some great things to say, HOWEVER.
You must have government mandate minimums. If they do
not many companies will try and fly through with a
bunch of worthless insurance.
snip
Rev, now you miss his point. If you allow
I am also losing faith in Obama... he is not standing up for what he believes.
He is afraid of big business. I understand, he is not independently wealthy
like JFK.
Marcio
Let's all get a handle on this Mario, et al. You and others are losing
faith in President Obama. Why? Because he may
Yeah by the top ones who do this kind of nonsense.
Part of the problem is that our own companies who contract with these
providers do not stand up to them and tell them provide better
service to OUR customers.
The other half is that these big companies tell them back down or we
will raise
Search youtube for obama single payer, should be the first hit posted by nakedemporer. I'd post the link but I still can't copy/paste.
More misinformation. The single payer plan Obama supported was for
Illinios, not nationwide--had nothing directly to do with current
propose legislation
Most people do not understand what a single payer system is really.
It is still insurance but one insurance for everyone. It is a basic
insurance that covers each person. You buy it from the
provider. Everyone pays the same rate, no matter what.
If you fall below income guidelines (like
Only your misunformation on this one. I doubt when he mentions single
payer federal system he is talking about just Illinois.
I dont get why the lefties dont want to admit this is the goal, what
are they afraid of? It's very difficult to have any real discourse
when facts are so easily
This is one subspecialty that is also elective surgery. Now say the
same thing about cardiac stints, hernia surgery etc.
Yes, I understand that. It's one of the better analogs for demonstrating
that the medical industry can deliver quality care with cost awareness. Why
wouldn't it work for
For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall
best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health
statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am
sure.
Cuba is one poor as hell nation, and the Cuban health care system is
We are the government. We shouldn't be afraid, just because some
corporations want us to fear. Fear the corporate databases, not the
government.
Thanks for the larf, Betty. Good one!
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I hate to throw cold water on all this fun, but wasting time talking
about all this fear and straw men is just what the right wing wants you
to do. That little video posted a while back is enough for any rational
person to get the picture.
I'm behind on my email, but one problem is that anymore
there are few actual insurance companies. The big ones keep
buying the smaller ones to limit competition.
Compare a list of airline companies from 1980, shortly after the airlines
were deregulated, and compare that list to today. I
Dueling links?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/32_favor_single_payer_health_care_57_oppose
The title says it.
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote:
I hate to throw cold water on all this fun, but wasting
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For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall
best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health
statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am
sure.
Cuba is one poor as hell
Whjy are you afraid of a choice between the private insurers and a government
program? I said: choice.
Marcio
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This is one
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Only your misunformation on this one. I doubt when he mentions single
payer federal system he is talking about just Illinois.
I dont get why the lefties dont want to admit this is the goal, what
are they afraid of? It's
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We are the government. We shouldn't be afraid, just because some
corporations want us to fear. Fear the corporate databases, not the
government.
Thanks for the larf, Betty. Good one
AGREE!
Marcio
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I hate to throw cold water on all this fun, but wasting time talking
about all this fear and straw men is just what
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Most people do not understand what a single payer system is really.
It is still insurance but one insurance for everyone. It is a basic
insurance that covers each person. You buy it from the
provider. Everyone pays
the insurane
companies take over and of course, less care, more profits...
Marcio
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Although it would be nice to cite
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This is one subspecialty that is also elective surgery. Now say the
same thing about cardiac stints, hernia surgery etc
? Ithink it is funny when people
talked about poor and unhealthy as being the other...
Marcio
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Ok, and you have a problem
Mike
Only your misunformation on this one. I doubt when he
mentions single payer federal system he is talking
about just Illinois.
I dont get why the lefties dont want to admit this is
the goal, what are they afraid of? It's very difficult
to have any real discourse when facts are so
Do you have a link from a group that doesn't skew conservative?
New Scientist is considerably more unbiased than party hacks like Rasmussen.
Dueling links?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/32_favor_single_payer_health_care_57_oppose
Did you notice any Country in this world copying the USA system?...
Marcio
Oh, that's not going to work, Marcio. Any suggestion, any hint, that the US
might not be the best in the world at ANYTHING gets the right wing's nose out
of joint. Try that on Fox Nation and all you'll get is a
And this says roads are a given, how? Talk about reading stuff into
things.
Jeff Miles
jmile...@charter.net
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On Sep 6, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Roads are a given? And they're
Sorry to say, but you sound like the guy who sits on his porch and
yells at the kids for being on his lawn.
I don't know this for sure, but I'm guessing the mail carriers aren't
allowed to actually put something in your home. So using the mail slot
probably isn't a legal option for them. I
For you to say that the health care in Cuba is better than the United States
may be the dumbest statement I have ever heard.
Given the choice...you mean to tell me that you would fly to Cuba to have open
heart surgery instead of having it done by a specialist here?
You answered no...I'm
Do not confuse health care costs with health care. There is a world of
difference between the two.
Socializing our health care system will not only hurt our economy...but it
will ruin medicine in the
United States.
And don't compare how good the cardiac surgeons are with how good the
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like paradise. Why aren't you living there?
I was just waiting for the old love it or leave it bullshit to
start. Why can't an intelligent and respectful conversation take
place without descending into the pit of
2009/9/7 Jeff Morris jmor...@clarkswb.net:
For you to say that the health care in Cuba is better than the United States
may be the dumbest statement I have ever heard.
Thank you for the compliment.
Given the choice...you mean to tell me that you would fly to Cuba to have
open heart
Most of my colleagues bitch about our medical plans but we have no
say and no choice in what we get.
I have lived under the Canadian Medical plan that is why I know what
I do about it. Also my in-laws live up there.
My mother-in-law cannot understand why we have to pay so much and put
up
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For you to say that the health care in Cuba is better than the United States
may be the dumbest statement I have ever heard.
Thank you
Of course... so clear!
Marcio
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Do not confuse health care costs with health care. There is a world of
difference between
My, let me repeat slowly... capitalist countries can have socialized
programs... and remain capitalist. Look around.
Marcio
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Share you views and perceptions Jeff.
Marcio
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Sorry to say, but you sound like the guy who sits on his porch
eventhough I
alwaysloved this great Country and became a citizen by choice.
Marcio
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Did you notice any Country in this world
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like paradise. Why aren't you living there?
I was just waiting for the old love it or leave it bullshit to
start. Why can't an intelligent and respectful conversation take
place without descending into the pit of
Most of the analysis of our medical system points to the fact that
our doctors rely too much on technology and not enough on proven
practice and approach.
The article I sent from Earthlink shows this. (Oh the technology
does not make medicine better or increase health and longevity)
As
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:52 PM, b_s-wilkb1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
The World Health Organization report is here,
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html.
I am sure that to many people, some of whom are very likely to be
members of this list, the WHO is nothing but
. But Americans will alwways do the right
thing,
after trying everything else. We will get there.
Marcio
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Don't bother arguing
Payer, Medicare for all. But Americans will alwways do the right
thing,
after trying everything else. We will get there.
Marcio
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Payer, Medicare for all. But Americans will alwways do the right thing,
after trying everything else. We will get there.
Marcio
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That was one of your fellow left wing nuts that did the biting off Tom. I'm
sure you will now justify it somehow.
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:59 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Sep 5, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Marcio wrote:
Ihave always been interested in health care as an MD and of course as a
Obama says his single payer will run like the post office...God help us
all..
That really wasn't what he said, Mike. What he said was that FedEx and UPS
compete successfully with the USPS, proving that the right's claim that no
private insurer will be able to compete with a
I agree with what you said but a few corrections.
DHL is the three letter name you are looking for German and has
closed up shop for a lot of things. (If I remember they are the ones
who closed up shop on an Ohio town?)
Also the USPS is a non government business. They were cut out of the
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:30 AM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote:
That was one of your fellow left wing nuts that did the biting off Tom. I'm
sure you will now justify it somehow.
The fellow who had the tip of his pinky bitten off, a Mr. Rice, an
opponent of healthcare reform, is the one who
And they pay pretty well also. Do not see any UPS drivers looking
for Food Stamps.
I do have a USPS worker in my congregation who is being retrained
right now due to shuffling of jobs, With the cut backs and attrition
in the USPS she is changing jobs and must go through months of
training
I appreciate your faith. I guess the most distressing part of the
whole affair is seeing the wing nuts so ready to sell out their
country for a sack of gold. They support the ultra-rich insurance
barons, the M$s, the Comcasts, etc. and give the shiv to their fellow
citizens.
I'm really
On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:52 AM Sep 6, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
DHL is the three letter name you are looking for German and has
closed up shop for a lot of things. (If I remember they are the
ones who closed up shop on an Ohio town?)
DHL is going out of business because it was doing a
On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:50 AM Sep 6, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
The finger biter should be thankful that Mr. Rice was not one of the
numerous anti-reform types who carry firearms to these events.
65-year-old William Rice, who is covered under the Medicare program,
was taken to an area hospital.
On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:11 AM Sep 6, Jeff Miles wrote:
Why do people insist on defending these mafioso type companies that
do nothing but steal from them and then turn and complain about the
government wasting money? This kind of thought just baffles the
shit out of me.
It baffles the shit
On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:04 AM Sep 6, Jeff Miles wrote:
Does anyone really stop and think what the post office does on a
daily basis? I have yet to find a privet company that has worked as
efficiently and consistently. And, being governmentally run, the
post office's goal isn't to make a
This is standard wing-nut strategy to make government look bad.
Of course. The guvmint never does anything to look bad. It's all a vast,
right-wing conspiracy to undermine their natural efficiency.
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DHL is going out of business because it was doing a terrible job. The
foreign owners seemed unable to put an effective management team in
place in the USA. Their service was horribly unreliable. Instead of
working harder at fixing the problem they just decided to give up.
The German stock
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Don't bother arguing with this bunch. What they have inflicted on this
List in recent months is much like what the USA has had inflicted
Yeah we got SEIU members shouting down and pushing people around so they
can't practice their constitutional free speech, so why should they be aloud
to carry any guns and practice that right either? Go Go Government!
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:50 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote:
You are right, he did not put it as I said it, I was being more tongue in
cheek. However I did see the question/answer and he was definitely making a
point that the USPS was not run well and got a chuckle from the audience.
In Obama's words 'It's the post office that's always having problems'
Yeah we got SEIU members shouting down and pushing people around so they
can't practice their constitutional free speech, so why should they be aloud
to carry any guns and practice that right either? Go Go Government!
No comment on the right-wing shouters at the town halls preventing others
On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:45 AM Sep 6, mike wrote:
If gov't programs aren't supposed to make money, can we at least
ask they
don't LOSE so much?
Simple. Just raise taxes.
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Very true. Both sides have their agitators.
I do think it's insane that some representatives have refused to give any
time to their constituents when that is the very reason they have a month
off.
There is some merit to that point of view, but, at the same time, it seems like
a town hall
Brilliant! Socialism is great till you run out of everyone elses money.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:45 AM Sep 6, mike wrote:
If gov't programs aren't supposed to make money, can we at least ask they
don't LOSE so much?
Simple. Just
Not just the anti's.
I saw a report some time ago how much had been contributed to the
pro's in this whole debate.
Money is flowing all over the place.
Stewart
At 09:57 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:
Because they own stock in these companies?
I would wager that an awful lot of the
Again very disingenuous.
You can make a choice in housing very simply. You either find a
house within your income bracket or you move.
Cant afford Steak, buy chicken and ground beef.
Been there done that.
Health care is not so easy. Very often people are frozen out of
health care because
I believe by law that the USPS is required to deliver mail to any
residence or business no matter where they are located within the US
and it's territories.
I know of no other country where the mail service is run by private
contractors?
(By the way in Canada they do contract out the
Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes.
Sometimes better than others.
The government is not perfect but neither are we.
Capitalism is not perfect either.
There are some things better handle under the capitalist strategy and
other things not.
Stewart
At 10:15 AM 9/6/2009, you
Sure are you ready to pay .80 a letter? $20 package and give up
Saturday delivery?
You cannot tell the Post office what they are allowed to charge and
then bitch about them losing money.
The USPS must go before Congress for every rate hike and then they
are limited on how much they can
Again very disingenuous.
You can make a choice in housing very simply. You either find a
house within your income bracket or you move.
Cant afford Steak, buy chicken and ground beef.
Been there done that.
You miss my point, Rev. I expect that of Tom, but you?
We are being told that
Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes.
Sometimes better than others.
The government is not perfect but neither are we.
Capitalism is not perfect either.
There are some things better handle under the capitalist strategy and
other things not.
I find it odd that people look
in society?
Marcio
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On Sep 5, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Marcio wrote:
Ihave always been interested in health care as an MD and of course
They will by popular pressure, as it happened in Canada. Read the history of
the Medicare in Canada.
Marcio
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Obama says his single payer will run like the post office...God help us
all..
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Ihave always been interested in health care as an MD and of course as a
patient. I am very surprised
Poeple are brainwashed in America, by big money. They are raised to believe
thar private is always better... Sad...
Marcio
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From: Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net
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