Hi Mathias,
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 18:03 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote:
My personal experience with asking people about possible code sharing
quite often was: I don't like UNO, I don't like Windows, I don't like
your build system etc. etc. While some of these statements are valid, I
always wonder
Hi Andre,
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 15:25 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote:
The council in it's current structure seems very centralistic to me
(it's almost built around the project leads).
Sure, it's a problem wrt. generating interest and participation.
Anyway - it would need time to
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 13:15 +0200, Christian Lippka wrote:
Michael Meeks wrote:
There was some resistance to nominating this for 3.0 because ChristianL
wanted to re-do the translation work to use Java Properties instead of
the new transex tool we wrote that translated complete XML
Hi Jurgen,
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 10:12 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
whatever we will use in the future it will be important that we will
have a GUI editor to make the design of new dialogs much more easier
than today.
Yep; absolutely - it's in the spec. and we have a
Hi Kay,
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 11:42 +0200, Kay Ramme wrote:
does anybody know what the state and plans regarding the VCL UI Rework
(see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/VCL_UI_Rework) project
are? As we need to do something to improve our GUI, this seems to be a
good step into the
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:40 -0600, Andrew Z wrote:
What I really want is something like Michael's
http://live.gnome.org/iogrind but that just says your app burned up
110,000 bogoios and 90,000,000 bogocpus and every time you run it it
says 110,000 bogoios and 90,000,000 bogocups. It
Hi Martin,
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 13:19 +0100, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
Also, there are some improvements possible wrt. Section 7 - eg. how
does updating modules in external projects (eg. boost under BSD) fit
with this clause ? is that something only Sun can do ? [ eg.
(hypothetically)
Hi Charles,
As always it's entertaining talking with you.
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 16:02 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
Yes, it is one; I thought it was a community event. While technical
discussions are perennial to our project, I don't see the need for
segregating the community
Hi Charles,
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 19:39 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
- it will be 'hackers' only
Well, given the content of the talks and company, I'm
confident it will be much less interesting to non-hackers, so modulo
some really patient people coming, you're prolly right, is that
Hi guys,
The Novell team thought that, what with the next OOoCon being in
Beijing and the cost of travel there (etc.) and of course the broad
focus of that conference; that it would be good to have a very
hacker-focused event in Europe. So, we're inviting all hyper-technical
people (with
Hi Sophie,
Thanks for your mail; I agree - this particular dead-end of the thread
got a little unpleasant highly charged; I'm well up for killing it.
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 20:42 +0100, sophie wrote:
We are now thinking about SCA, an adapted one to our community, so no
need to quarrel
been no progress in between. That itself is worth noticing - despite
the perception of activity improvement created by Advisory Boards and
so on.
Anyhow, if we can discuss there are a few other bits worth clearing up
as well:
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 23:54 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
Michael
Hi Mathias,
So - since you want to kill the thread, lets try to do that; but first
I must address this:
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 23:48 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
What makes you think it could be anything else? Wow, how easy it is to
get some public interest. It's enough to give others
.
We claim to have 15 people working on OO.o; their names are:
Michael Meeks, Radek Doulik, Florian Reuter, Tor Lillqvist, Petr
Mladek, Noel Power, Eric Ward, Fong, Jian-Hua, Hubert Figure, Fridrich
Strba, Kohei Yoshida, Jon Prior, Zhang Yun (/contract people), Jan
Nieuwenhuizen (starting
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 12:53 +0200, Philipp Lohmann wrote:
Michael Meeks wrote:
We claim to have 15 people working on OO.o; their names are:
Michael Meeks, Radek Doulik, Florian Reuter, Tor Lillqvist, Petr
Mladek, Noel Power, Eric Ward, Fong, Jian-Hua, Hubert Figure, Fridrich
Hi Martin,
On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 14:14 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
With the help of Nikolai we are now able to provide a proposal for a
modified version of the child workspace policies on
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/CWS_Policies
This looks like an improvement :-)
Hi Daniel,
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 19:22 -0400, Daniel Morgan wrote:
What is the status of the uno cil bindings for mono on linux?
Radek managed to make them self-hosting in the last few weeks - by
porting climaker to C# (from C++), which is great news - and we did some
tests on Win32 /
Hi Stefan,
Any chance you can help me get some skeletal unit tests setup for CWS
configrefactor01 ? I'm very happy to write nice chunks of unit test, but
getting the environment setup (and some config data to play with) is
more problematic I think. I checked in the (simple enough)
Hi Mathias,
On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 12:39 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
Which timeouts are you talking about?
Primarily interaction with User Experience, but also Documentation,
l10n - I'd like to ensure not only that they have a clearly defined
opportunity to comment / have their say; but
Hi Mathias,
So - I think your summary here is great:
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 14:41 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
... snip various good points...
So perhaps we can describe it so (with less details ;-):
(1) While developing your feature: discuss feature with people on IRC,
mailing lists
Hi guys,
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 11:27 +0100, Kay Ramme wrote:
yes, definitely. What about a staged approach to that: first include
all unit tests in a regular build, but _only_ perform them with a
magic env var set (like the debug=true stanza)?
good idea, that would at least make it
Hi Kay,
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 10:53 +0100, Kay Ramme wrote:
Michael Meeks wrote:
There's no chance then of switching to UTF-8 as an underlying string
representation :-) and saving a measurable chunk of our string
overhead ?
this is certainly possible by introducing a new string (I
Hi Joerg,
On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 12:40 +0100, Joerg Sievers wrote:
+ specifications are critical for (at a minimum):
+ file formats
+ complex / unfamiliar behaviours
+ behaviour changes affecting other's work (e.g. the automated
gui testing is extremely dependent to the basics
On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 17:12 +0100, Stephan Bergmann wrote:
This indicates that an application's concept of character is often
best represented by a programming environment's concept of string.
An interesting insight indeed.
Use sal_uInt32 to represent individual Unicode encoded
Hi Christian,
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 00:47 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
But surely the specification needs to be final or stable or
whatever you want to call it before the code gets into the master.
Sure - it needs to be in a good state of agreement with the code,
although as we
Hi Malte,
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 13:28 +0100, Malte Timmermann wrote:
I don't have any current numbers, sorry.
Hokay, I'll try to generate some then, I have them only for Linux.
A good profiler for Windows is Intel VTune, evals can be downloaded.
I'll boing MikeLeib about that
Hi Mathias,
Sorry - didn't notice your summary before posting mine. OTOH - yours
looks rather better than mine, thanks so much for taking the time here.
OTOH - I make some more concrete proposals, so perhaps there is some
value in discussing both in the same thread.
It really
On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 17:42 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
I disagree. Esp. when the UI is changed significantly the UI-mockups are
necessary. Both for finding flaws in the proposed design as well as for
documentation.
I'm well up for the UI team doing mock-ups and communicating
ergonomic fix.
^^^
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 02:27:23PM +, Michael Meeks wrote:
I refer you to the Sun rubric ** emphasis added.
...
I Want to Change Something in OpenOffice.org - Do I Have to
Write a Software Specification?
**In general
Hi Mathias,
Once again thank you for your thought provoking mail.
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 23:57 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
You mix up some things here. Nobody said that we need a spec for each
and every tiny ergonomic fix. We need them for new features - e.g. a
quickstarter on Linux.
Hi Thorsten,
Thanks for your mail - this is good stuff.
On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 10:45 +0100, Thorsten Ziehm wrote:
Yes the specification process was introduced in OOo 2.0 time frame.
But it doesn't work, as you said. The bug count was high in OOo 2.0.
Therefore a template for
Hi Thorsten,
On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 13:23 +0200, Thorsten Ziehm wrote:
Nobody said, that it is needed to include _burdensome_ processes
to get a higher quality.
Wonderful, so making the process less burdensome is possible. Great -
so, lets get the design requirements for the
Hi Frank,
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 09:58 +0100, Frank Schönheit wrote:
Right, the specification is not ... really comprehensive here. Which,
technically, is a bug in the specification document ;)
Thankfully the code works :-) But the very concept of rampant
duplication of state all over
Hi Mathias,
So, while broadly agreeing with most of what you say:
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 08:53 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
Without the spec the QA wouldn't be able to even find bugs in
many cases (with the exception of obvious ones).
We hear this a lot. And, now we know that
Hi Frank,
Sorry to spam you with yet another huge E-mail, this is quite an
effective technique known as argument by exhaustion ;-)
On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 09:48 +0200, Frank Schönheit wrote:
I agree with you that those hurdles experienced by contributors are a
big reason for not
Hi Frank,
On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 13:12 +0200, Frank Schönheit - wrote:
To me, this whole discussions seems to be about the
bring it in quick (and sometimes dirty)
vs.
bring it in slow, but matured (though sometimes still dirty)
Well - it looks like that on the face of it.
Hi Bjoern,
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 13:00 +0200, Frank Schönheit - wrote:
But, coming back to a more technical stand-point, how does this work?
Don't know. Michael said he simply ported the existing Windows code
Basically yes, there is an empty OO.o window running in the background
all
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 16:19 +0200, Frank Schönheit - wrote:
(separating out the following from the more general discussion)
:-)
I meant what I said: never. Not even restarting OOo gives me back the
quickstarter. Well, not really never: When I erase my OOo user data
directory I get
Hi Uwe,
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 16:51 +0200, Uwe Fischer wrote:
so you introduced a cool new feature (by surprise to me), and then some
people told you that it's not up to the normal procedures to do so,
and now you disabled that feature for Sun builds?
:-) basically yes, although of
Hi Niklas,
On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 10:40 +0200, Niklas Nebel wrote:
Michael Meeks wrote:
Let me show you why I feel this way, from a simple example I was
reading this morning: notice the consultation going on in this issue:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=56202
Had
Hi Frank,
On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 12:35 +0200, Frank Schönheit wrote:
In this case, Uwe would have told you that various documentation would
need to be updated, to keep the product consistent
So - my experience is that the more people involved in a decision - the
less likely any decision
Hi Uwe,
On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 13:50 +0200, Uwe Fischer wrote:
Don't get me wrong - I love this feature and I will never say anything
negative about Michael Meeks, who surely is a programming genius. ;-)
Haha ;-) the sarcasm detector just exploded.
How am I supposed to deliver
Hi there,
I'm starting an 'interesting' step-wise re-factor of configmgr -
stripping out tons of complexity. It seems to be going well so far ;-)
[ removed the 'simpleheap' thing without too much difficulty ], but I'm
wondering:
Is it ok up-stream to strip out all these poorly
On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 12:22 +0200, Joerg Barfurth wrote:
Looks good.
I fixed your issues; thanks for the feedback, I attach the improved
patch. I also expanded the cache to some more fields that are broadly
constant, and split it into 1 cache per re-usable field. It saves some
more
Hi Kay,
On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 18:15 +0200, Kay Ramme wrote:
would you mind to reiterate the potential / real savings and costs for
me? Admitting that I have not understand your explanations the first
time ... ;-)
Sure; simple enough. My analysis of duplicate strings (for a quiescent
On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 16:55 +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote:
Yes, some (singleton) functionality
rtl::OUString intern(rtl::OUString const arg)
of course - for programmatic operations:
rtl::OUString intern(const char *str);
would prolly be a valuable variant; and since
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 09:21 +0200, Carsten Driesner - Sun Germany -
ham02 - Hamburg - Software Engineer wrote:
2. Use class members for the strings and don't create them in different
methods. Currently this is the solution I use for my newer classes as it
decreases duplicates significantly
Hi there,
So - following on from my analysis of string duplication at:
http://go-oo.org/~michael/ustrings.ods
Having blamed a chunk of this on configmgr - it turns out that some of
the space I thought was there, is actually in the filter code - where we
construct
Hi there,
So - I'm investigating the large number of duplicate / allocated
strings that float around the place. It seems like the framework is an
offender here:
incidence Name size wasted
~350 Type 16 5584
548 UIName
Hi Jorg,
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:46 +0200, Jörg Jahnke wrote:
What would be consequences of always fixing bugs in the next available
milestone?
- Clear rules. What has been announced as finished is finished, no one
will touch it again. Neither inside nor outside SUN.
I'm well up
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Hi Jurgen,
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 09:24 +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
I am flexible when we think we need it i am willing to support it. But
of course the VBA API is not better than our existing API (far from it),
Of course - there is no argument as to which API is 'better' per-se;
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 10:44 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
we talked some time ago about having one wiki for developers available.
We currently have two:
Sure - also; I believe Intel has a chunk of (currently) internal OO.o
documentation in MediaWiki format that it'd be good to merge
Hi Rob
On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 08:31 -0700, Rob Ogilvie wrote:
There are a bajillion distributions out there.
And most of them have ~negligable market share, and a great chunk of
them are self-built things anyway = build it yourself ;-)
I guess if you are 31337 enough to be a
On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 18:17 +0200, Eike Rathke wrote:
Can anybody tell me how to download the old OO Sources,such as
OOo_SRC680_m100_source.tar.gz?
As you know,downloading them through CVS is too slow.Thks a lot!
We have some (old) packages on:
Hi Joesny,
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:28 -0300, Joesny Fagner de Oliveira wrote:
I am working under openoffice.org revision SRC680_m104s1, and was doing
some tests with desktop module. But i can't test my modification
directily, unless if i generete RPMs again... i don't know how could i
On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 07:57 -0400, Daniel Carrera wrote:
I think it makes more sense for someone (you?) to make a Mono-UNO bridge
so people can write extensions in C#.
A good chunk of that work is already done lurking in ooo-build
getting finished slowly.
Hmm,
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