Triana2013 wrote:
At my account in myqueezebox appears one of them but not both. I have
both connected in different rooms but the site shows one connected and
one not connected.
If you have a computer running LMS on the network, try accessing
something in the My Apps menu directly on the
I think what you are seeing is related to this bug:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9523
There are a lot of comments in there but I believe that you will find
some workarounds if you analyzes them a bit.
GENERALLY
The general rule is that ARTIST tags on individual songs aren't
bengaldave wrote:
One more question:
This option
List albums by all artists for that album
Or
List albums by band
My files are apple lossless, I generally try and set album artist.
Does this option do anything in this specific case, when there is no
band?
Not sure, the
gorman wrote:
I would be willing to support it with some small donation, if that's
what you are asking.
As it looks now, we would probably not need any donations, at least not
in the beginning, the big need is going to be to get people to help
updating the content.
If there isn't enough
paqi wrote:
So I strongly believe that if you want to win you would need something
like Airplay but with multiroom features on a platform that is available
on almost any product as a remote thing. otherwise it will die.
Depends on what you mean with multiroom. I think people want to be
EliteAV wrote:
It looks like the Olive One will be providing similar functionality by
storing play statistics as per this:
Our patent-pending SESSION#8482; technology learns from your listening
habits. Simply activate SESSION#8482; and ONE automatically tracks your
music preferences
azinck3 wrote:
Appears to be a new ripping/matching service. From what I can tell, it
appears that you can send them your CD collection (for free) and they'll
make it all available to you for online streaming (for free).
Streaming is $29/year as I understand, at least it clearly says
Since the other thread I posted about a community maintained wiki got
pretty small interest, I thought I'd try posting a poll instead to see
if it's possible to find out a bit more about the interest.
The reason for the poll is that I've recently realized that we barely
maintain and update the
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For any developers or hardware engineers with proven previous experience
in these areas who are really serious/interested about doing something
like this, I would also encourage you to join the private developers
mailing list which we setup earlier:
JJZolx wrote:
I just can't imagine anyone willing to volunteer that much time and
energy into building such a thing without realizing some monetary
compensation. You're talking about something _way_ above and beyond the
(albeit very impressive) software efforts put forth by third party
JJZolx wrote:
've said in the past that an established audio company might be a good
candidate for producing a Squeezebox capable player. Probably the
biggest obstacle to that, however, is the current state of the server
software and the astronomical costs of both supporting it and of
JJZolx wrote:
Bottom line: It's just not going to happen, no matter how you slice it.
Depends on what you mean with Squeezebox replacement.
1. DIY products is/will happen, we are already seeing this now, but for
these we are likely taking about very small volumes, maybe a few hundred
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pippin wrote:
Title says it. Hope that's not to be expected but a problem to be
fixed.
Seems to be available to me but it's maybe a bit slower than usual.
erland's Profile:
pyewackett wrote:
It seems to me there will be no trouble keeping it all working for a few
years. By that time maybe something will excite me and I'll be ready to
switch. This is an area one would expect some changes...
Completely correct, no reason to switch to something else already
JJZolx wrote:
Would you see this as basically mimicking a Touch, and then use the Lua
code from that product?
For a headless box there isn't any need to take any lua code from the
Touch.
At the moment the easiest would be: Linux based OS + Squeezelite (or
squeezeslave)
In the future this
JohnSwenson wrote:
When doing it yourself you have a wide range of options available for
including in the device, that would be very difficult to add to an
existing board. For example as has been mentioned having FPGA based
filters is something that is easy to add to our own board, and
JJZolx wrote:
Otherwise, the only thing it such a device might have over the current
DIY solutions built on PCs with USB output is a high quality S/PDIF
out.
I suspect we are still talking about a DIY solution or possibly a
pre-packaged DIY solution, so far I haven't seen any indication
JJZolx wrote:
You've lost me... Who's talking about masses or selling anything in
stores?
Sorry, I think my mind went a bit ahead of the thread :-)
When reading John's post again it's pretty clear that he is talking
about a low volume solution which doesn't have to be sold through local
pippin wrote:
Adding audio beyond USB audio for me mainly brings up the question of
drivers and codecs.
Don't you have codec/patent licensing issues also with USB audio ?
Isn't the issue related to MP3 codecs and similar ? Won't those be
needed also if you use USB audio ?
However, as I said
dustinsterk wrote:
This leads to a much larger question of legalities with Logitech,
creation of an LLC or other company structure, how we further market,
etc. Erland has already created the developers group. I am wondering
if we should take this entire discussion to that group
JJZolx wrote:
I'd have to ask: How would this system complement my existing Squeezebox
infrastructure and investment? If it's completely independent of it,
then I fail to see much appeal.)
Correct, unless you can load custom firmware to your existing
Squeezeboxes and make them work with
JJZolx wrote:
If there are codecs that require licensing, whether or not a player is
based on SBS will make no difference. How does a player like Squeezelite
deal with this?
Not sure how it works now, but initially I believe it required you to
install lame on the server.
pippin wrote:
They do license a lot for the players.
There are two aspects here:
Software licenses (probably for mp3, WMA, and AAC) and patent fees (at
least mp3 and WMA, not sure about AAC). Both come with a fixed minimum
cost that makes them prohibitive at low volumes.
For those
JJZolx wrote:
- EXE for Windows. Yes, if we wanted to recreate this, the ActiveState
SDK would need to be purchased and licensing (if needed) would have to
be explored. Or, require users to install the free ActiveState Perl
interpreter and run the Perl code. For a project like this, that's
dustinsterk wrote:
We could have two versions of the product:
1) A 'DIY' device which would be cheaper and require the user to load
the software.
2) A 'Ready to Go' version which includes the licensing costs and is a
little more expensive.
I suspect:
- The people who is able to use the
JJZolx wrote:
He mentioned $100 for the mainboard in small quantities. Although that
sounds quite reasonable, that's before adding a CPU, memory, wifi card,
antennas, audio components, connectors, power supply, case and
assembly.
Can something like this be made to work with 'stock' LMS,
Mark Miksis wrote:
Note also that, as per Michael, Logitech pays some money to TuneIn for
each player sold. It's not clear how much or exactly what this enables
that is not available from TuneIn for free.
I'm not sure it's available for free at all for streaming devices, as
I've understood
Is it just me who find this:
the company said it plans to focus more on mobile computing,
specifically tablets and smartphones.
a bit in conflict with this:
and we plan to discontinue other non-strategic products, such as speaker
docks
Isn't the purpose of a speaker dock a bit
JohnSwenson wrote:
I'm thinking that the 600MHz version is more than enough for just a
player. If we start adding a server at the same time we probably want at
least the 1GHz version, it will be a bit more expensive though. Anything
above 1GHz is going to cost a lot more. With a 1GHz
chenrikson wrote:
I suspect that Logitech is aware of the move to using mobile devices as
remote controls - as was Philips - and sees the handwriting on the wall.
iPeng is MUCH better for controlling my Squeezebox than my Harmony 900,
and the DeRemote app runs my Denon AVR very well -
Sinkdrain wrote:
I would really like to have a recently played album list similar to
Google music. I have trackstat. Is it possible to stick the last played
album list on the main menu... Just under new music for example for
quick access?
You can do it if you also install Custom Browse
igoddard wrote:
What's the objective here? Just to provide replacement hardware for
existing users or to grow the whole Squeezebox user-ship?
To be realistic, I think we are talking about a DIY system distributed
to a limited number of DIY enthusiasts in the community.
It's not something
Pascal Hibon wrote:
You dont need to wait that long for such apps.
I used Red Eye and Beacon (the latter is a piece of crap by the way).
Both of these are capable of remote controlling different type and brand
of equipment. Both have IR learning capabilities too. They work very
much like
Sakkerju wrote:
Why are all fine engineered products dicontinued :-(
It happens to me all the time...Squeezebox, Harmony
Harmony isn't discontinued, they are just trying to sell it, if they
succeed to sell it to the right company that could be great news to
Harmony users.
P Nelson wrote:
I think the goal needs to be sorted out to provide guidance on this
project. Yes, treat this like a project. I see several scenarios:
1) Build a box that relies on the existing Logitech software and
mysqueezebox.com
a. A box for the tech savvy computer music enthusiast.
JJZolx wrote:
I'd be curious to know... Of all the people posting here with their gung
ho enthusiasm for such a piece of equipment, how many will actually buy
one or more at the expected price of (what are we up to now?) $300-$400?
Personally, I have more Squeezeboxes than I know what to do
JJZolx wrote:
From the discussion, we're not talking what I'd call DIY any more. If it
relies on the existing LMS and its infrastructure, that part of the
setup is no different than Squeezebox, and while installation and setup
have never really been perfected, plenty of neophytes have
JJZolx wrote:
We're talking about some kind of kit? Didn't sound like that to me from
John's posts. If you're just talking about installing a board in a case,
I'm game, but all that saves anyone packaging these things is a couple
of minutes work. If you're talking about soldering RCA jacks
JohnSwenson wrote:
What I am envisioning is a fairly simple first board, primarily designed
to be a black box player, I would like to leave off the HDMI for the
first board, it adds a significant amount of complexity. Designing this
board will be fairly straight forward so something can be
JohnSwenson wrote:
I really want to put the DAC on the GEN1 board. It's a new design I
haven't used before and I want to have a platform to play around with
the internal DSP. I want to find out how good we can make this sound.
Ok, then it makes sense.
I'm definitely willing to pay for it
dustinsterk wrote:
Thank you!
1) Hardware design and implementation - JohnSwenson
2) Compiling OS/Building a bootable image/Writing automated scripts/Etc
(this will break out much further in the future) - Dustinsterk (Me),
eLR!C
3) Squeezelite Player - Triode
4) Case design - ? (Any
TheLastMan wrote:
Prototypes only I presume? Seeing as this will essentially be a small
black box with no display or control switching then let form follow
function and keep it simple. No design really necessary. A rectangular
metal box to fit round the PCB (which will dictate the size)
simbo wrote:
Although I agree 1-5 are the most critical, they're not necessarily
prerequisites to the later areas. I think we need to structure the
discussions into the various streams... Is there a way we could manage
this, either through this forum or another?
I would personally like to
JohnSwenson wrote:
I do think we need a name for the project, so I can quick calling it
the box or that thing. In my own mind I have started calling it
OSB: Open Squeeze Box. That's the best I can come up for now.
I would avoid the word Squeeze for a number of reasons:
- Squeezebox is a
Some ideas based on this page:
http://www.operaamerica.org/content/education/learningCenter/glossary.aspx
Someone into opera or from Italy will have to confirm which are
good/bad:
- BelCanto - An Italian phrase literally meaning beautiful singing.
- Crescendo - A gradual increase in volume.
JohnSwenson wrote:
I'm leaning on just going with the 3874 for Gen1 so it is the same as
Gen2, just not the display subsystem etc. Just doing that increases the
cost by about $35, so we are now up to $205, if we go with the 512MB
that adds another $25 or so, so we are now up to $230, $60
Triode wrote:
Lets see how the async usb tests go - if the otg port works then the
3358 seems resonable for the first gen. Means there's less code to
write too :)
One thing I still don't completely understand is how important the USB
really is if we:
1. Have a DAC that generally produce a
dustinsterk wrote:
I would be happy to start a Kickstarter Project site. It will take some
time to get setup with amazon payments, etc. Is our goal 25 boards @
$150 a board for all of the goodies?
Just some thoughts regarding this.
Do you really need/want a kickstarter project for GEN1 ?
dustinsterk wrote:
Not a bad idea.but the question remains would the community be
willing to donate for the first round? Even at $10.00 a donation we
would need over 500 users to reach a goal of 25 units @ $200 a board.
As someone who have tried donations previously in this community,
Sonitus (Noise in latin)
Sonus (Sound in latin)
Musica (Music in latin)
Melum (Song in latin)
Melodia (Pleasant song in latin)
Acusticus (Acoustic in latin)
Optivus (Chosen in latin)
DoM (Dawn of Music)
DoMBoX (Dawn of Music Box)
SoM (Source of Music)
OpSoM (OPen Source Of Music)
#38899;#20048;
JackOfAll wrote:
I don't think JS is going to budge on 256MB for GEN1 due to the
additional layout complexity. As long as it doesn't get any less, (I
think Erland said 128MB would be OK earlier in the thread, and I nearly
choked on my coffee ;)), it will be OK.
For GEN1 we will be fine
JohnSwenson wrote:
Any thoughts of where we should go?
It really depends who we are going to try to convince to buy it.
If we are mainly looking at audiophile geeks, good support for async USB
DAC's is a lot more important than HDMI, most of them are going to be
fine with a headless box as
JackOfAll wrote:
There are now plenty of USB DAC's around that are UAC2. It is not only
the high, high, high-end. I don't believe a bullet-proof UAC2 out to
just be a nod to the audiophool. It is mainstream. A few years ago,
definitely not. But now
Whatever is produced by this project
I started to do something like this on the server side for iPod's before
Apple decided to launch iPod Touch and remove the direct disc access.
Source code is still available but it's half finished:
http://erlandplugins.googlecode.com/svn/PortableSync/trunk/
It was based on similar principles
Squeezemenicely wrote:
The apps are great, even if not as cool as iPeng, but maybe there will
be an iSonos app someday.
I wouldn't count on getting a lot of third party apps for Sonos, they
are really closed regarding these kind of things.
There is the http://sonopad.com/ app from
Squeezemenicely wrote:
@erland
Trouble with multiroom systems is, you buy into an entire ecosystem. So
if you spend money and want to expand your collection of devices you
need to trust that the system will be around in the future.
Of all the companies selling (moreless affordable
garym wrote:
re: UpNP, just noticed this. May be old newsand I'm leery of any
server that brags about converting FLAC to WAV on the fly (on the other
hand, maybe that is important if many players require WAV in a UpNP
world And can't see anything about synching or gapless, so I
Pascal Hibon wrote:
I think that most users here are using an external DAC with their
Squeezeboxes any way.
If you by here mean people in the audiophile section of the forum I'm
sure you are right, but if you by here mean this community I'm 99%
sure you are wrong, independent if you like it
JackOfAll wrote:
Well, I actually did a back to back with the analogue out from a Touch.
To put it politely, let's say that the Touch punches above it weight and
can hold its own in much more expensive company, while the default
Wandboard analogue out is closer to FM radio quality. I think
P Nelson wrote:
2) It can run as a local server and fix the nightmare of trying
running tiny LMS on the Touch
Do you want a server in the box because you want an USB drive directly
attached to the box or do you want a server in the box because the
current player software can't work without
Are we reasonably sure the wandboard is going to be used in Gen1 ?
Or does more testing have to be done in Gen0.5 before we know that's the
case ?
I'm just asking to know if it's a good idea to order one already now or
if I should wait for the 0.5 testing to continue a bit further first.
JohnSwenson wrote:
Any thoughts?
I'm not sure the applet infrastructure is going to be completely gone
based on what Triode said here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98156-Announce-JiveLite-cut-down-squeezebox-control-application
JJZolx wrote:
Why NOT use SqueezePlay? What's the disadvantage?
My guess is that on short terms it will be based on SqueezePlay, but it
will be called JiveLite:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98156-Announce-JiveLite-cut-down-squeezebox-control-application
Which basically is
simbo wrote:
I completely agree for now, but I think we need to have in the back of
our minds a desire to move away from LMS -if that's the longer term
plan- and planning with this philosophy now could save many a headache
later.
My own opinion is that the LMS architecture has had its day
JJZolx wrote:
From the other thread, we don't even know yet if the thing will _have_ a
user interface.
If it doesn't have a UI, just use the squeezelite player as it is, but I
think it's pretty clear that Gen2 will have a UI but maybe not Gen1.
JJZolx wrote:
UI, as in hardware to support the I/O peripherals, or UI as in software?
Whether or not the hardware is there, doesn't the software approach need
to be figured out as soon as possible, before development begins on Gen1
(or 0.5) code?
I'm not 100% sure I've updated myself with
Julf wrote:
Indeed. Not wanting to start any religious wars on programming languages
and environments here, but I have seen similar things happen with other
projects - a tool/language/environment is chosen (in the cases I have
seen, it's been either perl or php) that is good for an initial
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Mnyb wrote:
+10
My 0.02$ the old hardware must be supported until it's technical life
time is over there are to many SB2,3 And transporters around.
And actually if we want to leverage one of the real stregths of the LMS
architecture and use it future systems it is the longevity and
simbo wrote:
I also don't think it'd be too difficult to make these old devices think
they're still talking to LMS via an API layer, leaving us complete
freedom with the underlying architecture.
Just for reference, I happen to know that there are several people who
have tried to implement
epoch1970 wrote:
Well, well. How much do you predict Touch users are willing to pay more
than those destitute SB1-3 owners ??
Probably not much, but the Touch and Radio would be easier to adapt to a
new architecture, making it possible to get rid of some of the legacy
and move on to
For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like
to understand a bit better how you would like to use premium online
streaming services. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today
and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future.
One
For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like
to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music
libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox
today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the
future.
Do you have
mikael_b wrote:
Didn't mean to stir up such a heated argument, more qurious whether one
could expect Tunein radio to allows us direct access to their service. I
still don't understand why we can't connect our Squeezeboxes directly to
Tunein radio.com like the iThings and Androids can.
Also,
bpa wrote:
Not sure if these TCs ( http://blog.tunein.com/licensing/terms-of-use
) are up to date but it looks like, for non commercial use there may
some scope for a replacement plugin but to do it it properly, a
developer key is needed from Tunein.
As an example, there is an XBMC
bpa wrote:
I hope it didn't across that I suggested to user another user's Partrner
Id as that was not my intentions.
I didn't think you were going to use someone else partner id, I just
wanted to make it clear to everyone else reading the thread that it
would be a bad idea to do so.
bpa
Just remember that the best way to ensure that Logitech prioritize to
ensure that mysqueezebox.com continue to work is to use it and complain
a lot to them when it doesn't work. If people are using it and
complaining when it doesn't work, they will hopefully realize they
either have to hire the
808htfan wrote:
is there an alternative place for us to go (for updates, etc) in case we
wake up one day and find this forum gone? Logitech forums somewhere?
Hopefully we will be able to arrange some kind of migration before this
happen, but in a worst case scenario someone will likely
Isn't more or less everyone getting a gen1 going to have a Squeezebox ir
remote already ?
I'm going to use Harmony IR or an iPad/iPhone with one of the iOS apps
installed, so as long that's supported I am happy.
erland's
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
So why doesn't , as Andy suggested he was working on before he was layed
off, Logitech
remove the dependency of the music services on mysqueezebox and
integrate these features in
a new version of LMS ? Then they could shutdown mysqueezebox and nobody
would care
simbo wrote:
This is a problem I can't see being resolved any time soon. Even with
MySB still running, the Community Squeezebox (aka SWAMP) will not be
able to use these services (well I know Napster/Rhapsody won't work...
not sure about the others).
To support online services there have to
ajkidle wrote:
As I understand it, even if the community funded SB project is
successful, that device won't work with services like Rhapsody or
Pandora, especially after MySB.com goes offline ... so why not sell all
of my Squeezebox gear while it still has some value, and make the switch
ajkidle wrote:
Thanks - I appreciate the perspective. And Erland, I've read your
similar post on this topic a few times. The urgency is driven by the
fact that time is running out. Today my 8 Squeezeboxen still have
value. In the not too distant future when MySB.com goes dark or breaks
GeeJay wrote:
You say your fourth priority is SuperDateTime. That's a plug-in I use as
well, and I've not read that Sonos has anything like it.
They don't and never will.
However, SDT doesn't really have much to do with music, it jus re-use
the Squeezebox display for other purposes.
With
GeeJay wrote:
If the community-driven alternative doesn't pan out, then Olive One
might, and the latter sounds like it could be at least as good as Sonos.
So far my feeling is that Olive One is working based on the principle
that one type of device fits all rooms. I personally doubt this
TheLastMan wrote:
I will miss Last.fm and the ability to browse radio stations rather than
having to add each url one by one into favourites, which would be a real
drag! Here's hoping some kind individual will create a plugin to
replace this function.
See my answer regarding browsing them
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I'd like to thank everyone who have answered on my questions in the
initial post so far and I'm just posting this to lift up the thread in
case some people missed it the first time. The intention with the thread
was to get a feeling if there is a need for better support for music
listening in
I'd like to thank everyone who have answered on my questions in the
initial post so far and I'm just posting this to lift up the thread in
case some people missed it the first time. The intention with the thread
was to get a feeling if there is a need for better support for online
music listening
I'll lift this thread up again as it's relevant to something I'm working
on and I really want to understand better how people work with playlist,
so if you didn't answer this thread the first time please answer it now
and if your behavior/need has changed since your last post in this
thread
If you just need a comma separated text lite you might be able to use
the Database Query plugin, it contains a report that lists albums
together with release year and artist and you can export it to a csv
file which can be imported in Excel or similar tool for nice formatting.
JohnSwenson wrote:
So now we should probably start thinking about Gen1 details, such
physical size, what case (these two go together. SWAMP05 wound up being
4.3 x 3.6. I don't see Gen1 being any smaller. There are a lot of
connectors to put on it, so I don't think my original idea of 4x3
Triode wrote:
Works with any remote using a usb adaptor (flirc), can probably be made
to work with other usb based pointing devices. [it works with a usb
keyboard, but that may be a bit cumbersome]
A bit related to this, does the Bluetooth on the Dual board work or are
there no drivers
Triode wrote:
You need to get a wandboard Erland!
Just ordered one an hour ago, so hopefully it soon arrives :-)
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Chunkywizard wrote:
just wanted to understand if any thought had been given to how the
software package would be deployed in the long term. I understand for
development that its a roll your own mentality, but when (if) this
becomes more of a product, how will the software deployment work
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