[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I think the distinction was implicit in what Curtisdeltablues

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-21 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: No, see, the black here is to do it *cluelessly*, the way Angela does it-- and the way you do it as well. Both of you are so convinced of your own

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-21 Thread Angela Mailander
Like conveniently forgetting that my remarks about buildings falling were made in the context of an article by a physicist? - Original Message From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:01:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-21 Thread BillyG.
From Larry Domash-(Attn: Judy) Behind these rules of neurophysiological specificity there lies a rich and fascinating theory of the mantras and their application; *to date Maharishi has not published his interpretation of this theory*, although he has indicated a desire to do so. MMY still

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-21 Thread Richard J. Williams
That's 47, BTW. Jesus, Barry. Counting Judy's posts? Will you ever grow up? Another perfectly good discussion topic hijacked. Why don't you just tell us where the TM mantras come from? What's the big secret? Fifty years obsfuscation and conning the poor students - this is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: [I wrote:] I wish Lawson were still here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2008, at 9:42 PM, tertonzeno wrote: ---It's the power in the mantra that's essential; and not present to the same degree in mantras of other traditions I've been intiated into. I've had the opposite

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may not be using the term hypnosis the same way, that's true. It's the element of suggestion that I don't find consistent with TM, just on its face. I agree with this. I'm not sure I do. The intro

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of authfriend Not everyone thought his comments were unsubstantial. I found many of them extremely meaty. He has an almost Zenlike

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of authfriend Not everyone thought his comments were unsubstantial.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, like I said, forget it, whether you're pitching it or not. Our understandings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Vaj
On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:11 PM, Rick Archer wrote: (I started posting here in May 2005, as did a few others who had been regulars on alt.m.t, including Lawson, who dropped out this past summer because he felt unappreciated.) Translation: people didn’t appreciate the fact that he ignored

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Vaj
On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:18 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! When I got my mantras

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Vaj
On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:41 PM, authfriend wrote: We may not be using the term hypnosis the same way, that's true. It's the element of suggestion that I don't find consistent with TM, just on its face. What don't you find suggestive about sit easily?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Peter
--- do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is hypnosis, like I said, forget it, whether

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Vaj
On Jan 20, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Peter wrote: By the way, being trained to teach TM and hypnosis and having experienced both here's my take: TM and hypnosis are initially identical Exactly. Sad thing is, some people get stuck on that initial phase and never move beyond. When they go to a form

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip By the way, being trained to teach TM and hypnosis and having experienced both here's my take: TM and hypnosis are initially identical. The difference with TM though is the continued quieting of the mind's activity and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
Exactly. Sad thing is, some people get stuck on that initial phase and never move beyond. When they go to a form of deep meditation, they're often shocked at how 'the bottom drops out' of their 'transcendent'. Usually after that they realize they were simply languishing in a light, blissy trance

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote I don't even think Lawson was even meditating at the time, but he was really into the TM preacher thang. That's kinda where Lawson fell a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
Brilliant. - Original Message From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:37:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:41 PM, authfriend wrote: We may not be using

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I don't even think Lawson was even meditating at the time, but he was really into the TM preacher thang. That's kinda where Lawson fell a little short in the credibililty dept. He was Mr. Positive Benefits of TM, Mr.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruth, please read what I wrote again. Whether hypnosis can be ruled out by common sense depends on how one understands TM. In my understanding, it's a matter of common sense. If it isn't in Curtis's understanding, then

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
Curtis, with all due respect, you said: ...I don't know enough about either state to make clear distinctions. I can't even clearly define hypnosis or meditative state Judy. That appears to be a clear contradiction to what you just said above it. But nevertheless, you seem to be OK with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks for the information Stu. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I've been doing some meditation lately. I am experimenting with not using the mantra. In past

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, with all due respect, you said: ...I don't know enough about either state to make clear distinctions. I can't even clearly define hypnosis or meditative state Judy. That appears to be a clear

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread authfriend
Note that we have here two more examples of Barry's continuing obsession with the number of my posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that we have here two more examples of Barry's continuing obsession with the number of my posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliant. Not. Non sequitur, in fact. From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:41 PM, authfriend wrote: We may not be using the term hypnosis the same way, that's true. It's the element of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Ruth, please read what I wrote again. Whether hypnosis can be ruled out by common sense depends on how one understands TM. In my understanding,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
populations or manipulate them all kinds of ways. But who (ultimately {if there is an ultimate}) is the manipulator? - Original Message From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:17:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
That's why I trust it implicitly. - Original Message From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:02:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: We may not be using the term hypnosis the same way, that's true. It's the element of suggestion that I don't find consistent with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Brilliant. Not. Non sequitur, in fact. From: Vaj vajranatha@ On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:41 PM, authfriend wrote: We may not be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:23:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, lurkernomore200020 00 steve.sundur@ ... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
There's only one Sri Yantra, Bharat2, associated with the Sri Vidya sect, and that is the Sri Chakra. Bhairatu wrote: My point was that many yantras have bij mantras on them so you can't claim that Sri Yantra is the source. There is only ONE Sri Yantra associated with the Sri Vidya

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:53:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! Note that we have here two more examples of Barry's continuing obsession with the number of my posts. --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
From: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:16:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! Curtis, with all due respect, you said: ...I don't know enough about either state to make

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
Judy (snipped): not in fact Me (all butt): but in spirit. - Original Message From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:33:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In FairfieldLife

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:27:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! Exactly. Sad thing is, some people get stuck on that initial phase and never move beyond. When they go to a form of deep meditation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
, January 20, 2008 10:26:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Brilliant. Not. Non

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Brilliant. Not. Non sequitur, in fact. From: Vaj

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! Actually when I went to Devi Bhava there were only about 50 of us. Very intimate

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly do. That's why Vaj's question was a non sequitur; it's not a point of contention. Key words: Before they start meditating. As I said to Peter, you can't suggest something (a) that you can't describe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
Judy wrote: This discussion was about *whether* he had said anything about the origin of the technique. Actually I think the discussion was about the origin of the TM mantras. It's obvious from the discussion that some TM teachers didn't have a clue about this. What is amazing is that here we

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Angela Mailander
11:29:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly do. That's why Vaj's question was a non sequitur; it's not a point of contention. Key words: Before

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Vaj
On Jan 20, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! Actually when I went

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Vaj
On Jan 20, 2008, at 12:29 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: OK. I was getting the impression that there was a disagreement on the use of suggestions because there was not a clear distinction made between getting ready to meditate and meditating. It looks like Vaj and Angela had the same impression as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote: There's only one Sri Yantra, Bharat2, associated with the Sri Vidya sect, and that is the Sri Chakra. Bhairatu wrote: My point was that many yantras have bij mantras on them so you can't claim that Sri Yantra is the source. There is only ONE

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of authfriend Not everyone thought

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread tertonzeno
---This historical background is quite fascinating, but limited in relavance as I see the situation. For example, I haven't found any good techniques associated with the Sri Yantra. There's the Sri Vidya mantra which I have chanted (and discarded in favor of others), and the Lalita

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Vaj
On Jan 20, 2008, at 4:22 PM, tertonzeno wrote: ---This historical background is quite fascinating, but limited in relavance as I see the situation. For example, I haven't found any good techniques associated with the Sri Yantra. There's the Sri Vidya mantra which I have chanted (and discarded

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
tertonzeno wrote: ---This historical background is quite fascinating, but limited in relavance as I see the situation. For example, I haven't found any good techniques associated with the Sri Yantra. There's the Sri Vidya mantra which I have chanted (and discarded in favor of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the distinction was implicit in what Curtisdeltablues said, but Judy missed it. Now that she understands it, I think we're all pretty much in agreement. Angela. Every single time you venture to suss out

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I think the distinction was implicit in what Curtisdeltablues said, but Judy missed it. Now that she understands it, I think we're all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Richard J. Williams wrote: Billy wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
authfriend wrote: As Rick pointed out, the TM mantras are standard bija mantras. As to the method itself, why would he have had to pick it up from somebody else? And I and as well as many other have LONG pointed out too. But it is not unknown for yogis, tantrics and priests to exchange

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to understand, at least, about the origins of the method, from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Vaj
On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote: We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to understand, at least, about the origins of the method, from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having decided that the traditional

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote: We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to understand, at least, about the origins of the method, from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of the Collected

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to understand, at least, about the origins of the method, from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to understand, at least, about the origins of the method, from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However I think the confusion here is more about when MMY credits Brahmananda Swaraswati with the knowledge he is referring to the philosophy as handed down in the Shankara tradition not the meditation technique.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:10 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote: We certainly do have what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to understand, at least, about the origins of the method, from the essay by Larry Domash in the first

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote: We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to understand, at least, about the origins of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of Vaj On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote: We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to understand, at least, about the origins of the method, from the essay by Larry Domash in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM. I'll give MMY credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks (before some of them learned TM) is very similar. I'm really not sure the whole concentration thing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Angela Mailander
] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:07:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj vajranatha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It already *is* in the record. What's with the lack of reading comprehension on this forum lately?? Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! At any rate, I think Domash's work probably cites the best

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
Right on, you get it. curtisdeltablues wrote: I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM. I'll give MMY credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks (before some of them learned TM) is very similar.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It already *is* in the record. What's with the lack of reading comprehension on this forum lately?? Alright, so you don't have to insult my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of BillyG. authfriend jstein@ wrote: It already *is* in the record. What's with the lack of reading comprehension on this forum lately?? Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! At

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have the expertise to determine one way or another where the technique came from and whether or not MMY invented it, but when I learned to meditate in 1946 in Germany, the technique was exactly the same

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! , which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi told him. You don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of authfriend , which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi told him. You don't really imagine MMY wouldn't have read it before it went to press, do you? I was there when Domash read it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Angela Mailander
instructed after what-- thirty, forty years of daily practice? - Original Message From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:41:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM. I'll give MMY credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks (before some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi told him. You don't really imagine MMY wouldn't have read it before it went to press, do you? I was there when Domash read it to MMY. It still hardly

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm mystified by why so many people get confused about the difference between This is what MMY says and What MMY says is true. So then you're saying that what MMY says, at least on occasion, he might feel to be lies or half-truths, but he says

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of authfriend , which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi told him. You don't really imagine MMY wouldn't have read it

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! I wish Lawson were still here. Invite him back. 50 per week, though. No virus

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It already *is* in the record. What's with the lack of reading comprehension on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who worship the Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect. Bhairitu wrote: Fortunately most people here including Billy don't take you as a reliable source. Unfortunately, you didn't post any evidence to counter my comments. In fact, all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
Judy wrote: Yeah, he's not speaking for MMY. Marshy told me himself that he got my TM mantra from his guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. It is a fact that the TM mantra used by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati came from the Sri Vidya sect and from his Master, Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Vaj
On Jan 19, 2008, at 3:14 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I find it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out with a similar technique to TM. And of course they have. It's nothing new at all--except canned parts like checking and mantra selection.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! I find it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Vaj
On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm mystified by why so many people get confused about the difference between This is what MMY says and What MMY says is true. So then you're saying that what MMY says, at least on occasion,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: Yeah, he's not speaking for MMY. Marshy told me himself that he got my TM mantra from his guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. It is a fact that the TM mantra used by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
Actually that isn't the first instruction. The *very* first instruction is, Sit easily. What does that mean? I would welcome a discussion about TM and other meditations. I am rethinking this area. I think you might have found a lot of TTC a pain in the ass Judy. but I think you would have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm mystified by why so many people get confused about the difference between This is what MMY says and What MMY says is true. So then you're saying that what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2008, at 3:14 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I find it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out with a similar technique to TM. And of course they have. It's nothing new at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually that isn't the first instruction. The *very* first instruction is, Sit easily. What does that mean? I would welcome a discussion about TM and other meditations. I am rethinking this area. I think

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Don’t know about mantra

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

2008-01-19 Thread Vaj
On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret! I find it hard

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