Brian,
your problem is caused by a "known bug". Passages with independent
time signatures are not spaced correctly. The bug first appeared in
Finale 2000a: if you have a copy of Finale 2000 (or an earlier
version), you will find that it does the spacing correctly in this
situation.
The only
On 10.07.2002 6:39 Uhr, Tim Thompson wrote
> I am not replying directly to the list member who wrote the 5-minute
> crescendo comment because I deleted the message, and then thought to
> respond.
>
> A crescendo in Finale: select MIDI tool (a keystroke); select region;
> apply scale of key veloc
on 02.7.10 3:05 PM, Philip Aker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> So how's about
>>> you come up with a description of a Sib
>>> articulation/expression/playback effect that I can't reproduce
>>> in Finale?
>
>> A crescendo in less than 5 minutes and 3 swear words?
>
>
> Richard,
>
> I apprec
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 06:58 PM, Richard Walker wrote:
>>> It would seem, also, that Sibelius has a greater capacity for
>>> playback, for the perswon who is interested in direct
>>> recording or computer playback (MIDI, etc.). Its greater
>>> flexibility in articulation styles (pizz. a
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 05:08 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> And in the expression list, there's no way to tell the
> difference between "arco" (violin), "arco" (viola), "arco"
> (cello) and "arco" (bass).
That is only true in prehistoric versions of Finale. Now we type
arco and the doe
At 10:58 AM +0900 7/10/02, Richard Walker wrote:
>on 02.7.10 10:20 AM, Philip Aker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 08:41 PM, Horace Brock wrote:
So how's about
>> you come up with a description of a Sib
>> articulation/expression/playback effect that I can't rep
On 9 Jul 2002, at 23:34, Colin Broom wrote:
> - Original Message -
>
> > Haven't you missed Richard's point?
> >
> > The point was automatic interpretation of those expressions, so that the
> > strings switch to Pizzicato and back to Arco, just because the
> > expressions are there.
>
>
I am not replying directly to the list member who wrote the 5-minute
crescendo comment because I deleted the message, and then thought to
respond.
A crescendo in Finale: select MIDI tool (a keystroke); select region;
apply scale of key velocities or volume controller. Done in 10
seconds. Wh
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 05:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>> I didn't mention that I agree that Finale's implementation of
>> these features could be made more user friendly "(no fussy
>> expression dialogs)" because I'm already adept at using them
>> the way they are and I'd rather Coda'
Harold Owen wrote:
> I think the perfect application would give you the easy way to
> standard needs while giving you complete control over details, should
> you need alternate solutions.
Indeed it would perfect. Have you never wondered why few if any such
apps exists?
Personally, I would like t
on 02.7.10 10:20 AM, Philip Aker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 08:41 PM, Horace Brock wrote:
>
>> It would seem, also, that Sibelius has a greater capacity for
>> playback, for the perswon who is interested in direct recording
>> or computer playback (MIDI, etc.). I
"David W. Fenton" wrote:
> quadrupling the number of metatool keys
Gracious. I just can't let this go by. Occasionally I have gone back to
Fin97 to avoid re-editing an old doc. It is the SLAG MINES! (Single
undo, lotsa bugs that have since been fixed, no staff styles.) And only
9 metatools. Invar
Horace Brock wrote:
> Sibelius, on the other hand, is for the composer/arranger who needs
> fast results
It all depends on your definition of fast. I now get *incredibly* fast
and higly polished results. So fast that I would rather spend my time
doing other things than looking for an alternative.
Concerning "pizz" and "arco" David Fenton writes:
>There simply aren't enough numbers on the keyboard to make metatools work
>for this kind of thing.
Now that it's possible to assign metatools to just about all the keys
on the qwerty keyboard, I've used "p" to enter pizz and "a" to enter
arco
Hi all-
I'm in FinWin97 (v3.8.3)
Music I'm working on has key sig of d minor. Clarinets are in A, and I've
set this staff to independent key sig so only the one flat shows (as the
source does). Playback transposition is fine. When all other staves move to
D major the clars move to F major. O
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 08:41 PM, Horace Brock wrote:
> It would seem, also, that Sibelius has a greater capacity for
> playback, for the perswon who is interested in direct recording
> or computer playback (MIDI, etc.). Its greater flexibility in
> articulation styles (pizz. and so on)
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 10:52 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
> And when your computer crashes and you haven't "removed" the enabling
> code, do they simply give you an additional code to activate it on your
> new machine, no questions asked? And how about using it on a notebook
> AND a desk
On 9 Jul 2002, at 16:30, Philip Aker wrote:
> I didn't mention that I agree that Finale's implementation of
> these features could be made more user friendly "(no fussy
> expression dialogs)" because I'm already adept at using them the
> way they are and I'd rather Coda's development time be s
At 08:12 PM 7/9/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
>In any event, quadrupling the number of metatool keys isn't exactly user-
>friendly, since how in the world could one keep track of so many
>different shortcuts?
My own solution is to use only the tools I need for a given score. The ones
that are
On 9 Jul 2002, at 14:55, Robert Patterson wrote:
> "David W. Fenton" wrote
>
> > But who would waste a metatool on pizzicato/arco, when you'd need 1 pizz
> > and an arco for each of the string patches you had in use (assuming they
> > aren't all orchestral)?
>
> Me, for one. As I said, I don'
I've been reading this discussion, and a few things struck me. Finale,
it seems to me, is a tool for the serious engraver, and for the
composer/arranger who's interested in producing music on paper for
performers to read and play.
Sibelius, on the other hand, is for the composer/arranger who need
At 08:07 AM 7/10/02 +0900, you wrote:
>My impression is that they are very easy
>to work with.
And when they are out of business? They will be, of course. Then where will
your years of work be? And, as I said, what about your archivists,
correspondents, or clients?
You're a composer; I'm a compo
At 4:10 PM -0700 7/9/02, Lee Actor wrote:
> > > I always start a new piece by altering an old one. Is there
>> any to get the
>> > new setting into an old file, even by manually editing the data file if
>> > necessary?
>>
>> You have the default Multimeasure Rest definitions in the
>> "Opti
Jari,
Mac users? Will these become available for us?
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 01:36 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>>> ... I can switch between pizzicato, mute, solo, tutti, and
>>> arco/nat samples just by typing the words above the staff (no
>>> fussy expression dialogs)...
>> is a great request and I think you should send it over to
>> MacS
> > I always start a new piece by altering an old one. Is there
> any to get the
> > new setting into an old file, even by manually editing the data file if
> > necessary?
>
> You have the default Multimeasure Rest definitions in the
> "Options/Document Options..." dialog (select the "Multimeasur
on 02.7.9 10:15 PM, Jari Williamsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Richard Walker writes:
>
>> I just load my orchestra into GigaStudio, open a new document,
>> choose my weapons, and away I go
>
> Which is exactly what I can do in Finale as well
> Although you can't. Yet...
Well, I'm sure y
At 06:30 AM 7/10/02 +0900, Richard Walker wrote:
>What's the big deal? You go to their web page, input your information and
>get the magic number that opens up the program. It's not that onerous, and
>it's not nearly as ugly, say, as the dongle that Logic makes you attach
>before it will work.
I
OK, I have tried to work this out on my own. . .
This is for a large orchestra piece.
I have a passage in 12/4 - and I want 3 staves to go into 4/4 at the same
time (bar=bar) - when I do this either the 4/4 bars get cramped, or the 12/4
bars do. Any help? PLEASE! (This is driving me a littl
Lee Actor writes:
> I always start a new piece by altering an old one. Is there any to get the
> new setting into an old file, even by manually editing the data file if
> necessary?
You have the default Multimeasure Rest definitions in the
"Options/Document Options..." dialog (select the "Mult
- Original Message -
> Haven't you missed Richard's point?
>
> The point was automatic interpretation of those expressions, so that the
> strings switch to Pizzicato and back to Arco, just because the
> expressions are there.
Much as I have to coment on regarding MIDI in Finale, I like
> > Somehow I go the impression that Finale 2003 included a new feature that
> > prevented the collision of the multimeasure rest graphic with
> clefs at the
> > end of a multimeasure rest. I dreamed that, didn't I? It appears that
> > Fin2k3 operates the same as Fin2k2 in this regard.
>
> Not r
What's the big deal? You go to their web page, input your information and
get the magic number that opens up the program. It's not that onerous, and
it's not nearly as ugly, say, as the dongle that Logic makes you attach
before it will work. Granted, you can't easily give the software to all of
yo
On 9 Jul 2002, at 13:56, Robert Patterson wrote:
> Eventually the Finale user figures out that s/he can assign metatools to the
> most common expressions. Metatools are far more efficient than typing in (or
> pointing and clicking). Thus while Finale clearly (in this intance) takes longer
> to le
On 09.07.2002 22:56 Uhr, Robert Patterson wrote
> Eventually the Finale user figures out that s/he can assign metatools to the
> most common expressions. Metatools are far more efficient than typing in (or
> pointing and clicking). Thus while Finale clearly (in this intance) takes
> longer
> to l
You're right that was the main point, but being able to type them directly
into the score rather than going through all that bothersome tool-switching
and dialog-navigating is also a boon.
The really neat thing, however, is that the same "pizz" entry selects the
proper samples for the 1st violins
On 09.07.2002 22:08 Uhr, Philip Aker wrote
>> ... I can switch between pizzicato, mute, solo, tutti, and
>> arco/nat samples just by typing the words above the staff (no
>> fussy expression dialogs)...
>
> is a great request and I think you should send it over to
> MacSupport. Since we can alrea
On 09.07.2002 22:14 Uhr, Andrew Stiller wrote
> And did you notice that, while Finale 2000 had *finally* gotten rid
> of all the unnecessary prompts to save that always plagued the
> program, subsequent versions have reintroduced them! This is not
> progress. Also, we've lost the ability to nix a
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 04:50 AM, Richard Walker wrote:
>
> > ... I can switch between pizzicato, mute, solo, tutti, and
> > arco/nat samples just by typing the words above the staff (no
> > fussy expression dialogs)...
>
Without commenting on the main MIDI playback issue, which is on
>I wonder if anyone can tell me how to present the appearance of a particular
>key in Finale?
>I am working with some midi files imported into Finale, and they have
>anomalous accidentals. For example, in a piece that is clearly in A minor,
>there are g sharps, which are quite logical, but also g
On 9 Jul 2002, at 13:08, Philip Aker wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 04:50 AM, Richard Walker wrote:
> > ... I can switch between pizzicato, mute, solo, tutti, and
> > arco/nat samples just by typing the words above the staff (no
> > fussy expression dialogs)...
>
> is a great request a
Andrew Stiller wrote
>
> IMO Finale has gained very little since Fin2K (if you factor in these
> losses)
The new system margin options and the engraver slurs are enough for me between
these two versions, although I also don't like the things you mentioned.
> and I plan to skip 2K3
I agree 2K
At 01:44 PM 7/9/02 -0400, David H. Bailey wrote:
>Anybody else want to deal with their piracy-prevention scheme? Not me!
> No matter what the price!
Absolutely never.
Dennis
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>Yeah it's automatic music spacing that does it a 2nd time.
>
>I still despise the automatic move speedy makes when you click off
>on the half
>exposed side
>measures.
>
>Please, please let's all get this to be optional.
>
And did you notice that, while Finale 2000 had *finally* gotten rid
of
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 04:50 AM, Richard Walker wrote:
> (Just curious: did anyone ever figure out that drawing thing?)
Yes (1991).
> Finale has its good points, but flexible MIDI implementation is
> not among them.
It's reasonably flexible, just not user friendly compared to the
ins
I wonder if anyone can tell me how to present the appearance of a particular
key in Finale?
I am working with some midi files imported into Finale, and they have
anomalous accidentals. For example, in a piece that is clearly in A minor,
there are g sharps, which are quite logical, but also g flat
On 09.07.2002 22:02 Uhr, Weldon Whipple wrote
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, William Roberts wrote:
>
>> Apropos of the discussion earlier today about the dreaded "S" word, has
>> anybody heard about their new cross-grade offer? Cross-grade from any
>> version of Finale or Encore to Sibelius for $179...
On 09.07.2002 20:54 Uhr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> In a message dated 7/9/2002 10:04:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> PS: Tammy, can you please turn off the extremely annoying HTML? And,
> while you're at it, tell your ISP that you've gotten tons of mail from
> peo
On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, William Roberts wrote:
> Apropos of the discussion earlier today about the dreaded "S" word, has
> anybody heard about their new cross-grade offer? Cross-grade from any
> version of Finale or Encore to Sibelius for $179... pretty keen deal.
I received an e-mail advertisement
In a message dated 7/9/2002 10:04:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
PS: Tammy, can you please turn off the extremely annoying HTML? And,
while you're at it, tell your ISP that you've gotten tons of mail from
people who can't read your messages.
Huh? I'm sending regular E-
Lee Actor writes:
> Somehow I go the impression that Finale 2003 included a new feature that
> prevented the collision of the multimeasure rest graphic with clefs at the
> end of a multimeasure rest. I dreamed that, didn't I? It appears that
> Fin2k3 operates the same as Fin2k2 in this regard.
on 7/9/02 12:44 PM, David H. Bailey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Anybody else want to deal with their piracy-prevention scheme? Not me!
> No matter what the price!
I completely agree. That's a complete showstopper!
Doug
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Somehow I go the impression that Finale 2003 included a new feature that
prevented the collision of the multimeasure rest graphic with clefs at the
end of a multimeasure rest. I dreamed that, didn't I? It appears that
Fin2k3 operates the same as Fin2k2 in this regard.
-Lee
>Apropos of the discussion earlier today about the dreaded "S" word, has
anybody heard about their new cross-grade offer? Cross-grade from any
version of Finale or Encore to Sibelius for $179... pretty keen deal. My
dealer told me about this yesterday. I've not upgraded to Finale 2003 yet,
and
Anybody else want to deal with their piracy-prevention scheme? Not me!
No matter what the price!
William Roberts wrote:
> Apropos of the discussion earlier today about the dreaded "S" word, has anybody
>heard about their new cross-grade offer? Cross-grade from any version of Finale or
>
Apropos of the discussion earlier today about the dreaded "S" word, has anybody heard
about their new cross-grade offer? Cross-grade from any version of Finale or Encore
to Sibelius for $179... pretty keen deal. My dealer told me about this yesterday.
I've not upgraded to Finale 2003 yet, an
Yeah it's automatic music spacing that does it a 2nd time.
I still despise the automatic move speedy makes when you click off on the half
exposed side
measures.
Please, please let's all get this to be optional.
Time Sig. change default is all wrong too! But that's been a few versions
back...
Steven D Sandiford writes:
> I've just (!) upgraded to Finale 2002. When I leave the Speedy Entry frame,
> the screen flickers (re-draws) and then does it again (re-draws a second
> time). Why?
FWIW, the Windows version of Fin2002 doesn't seem to have this
problem. For the Mac version, check
Greetings Finale Gurus
I've just (!) upgraded to Finale 2002. When I leave the Speedy Entry frame,
the screen flickers (re-draws) and then does it again (re-draws a second
time). Why?
I remember this got discussed sometime in the past, probably with Finale
2001 (or possibly 2000!) but (for sha
Johannes Gebauer writes:
> Will we Mac people see any of your goodies?
Regarding the Accurate Playback component, I don't release it publically
on any platform yet.
However, I hope to be able to port the Settings Transfer component
(currently in beta on Windows) to FinMac2003 fairly soon.
B
On 09.07.2002 15:15 Uhr, Jari Williamsson wrote
> Richard Walker writes:
>
>> I just load my orchestra into GigaStudio, open a new document,
>> choose my weapons, and away I go twiddle-free to create
>> music and listen to a decent approximation of
>> it, using the samples I like.
>
> Which i
Every time I click the Speedy tool, Finale reprograms my synthesizer!
I configured OMS so that the synth would receive no signals, but
Finale manages to zap it anyway. How, short of unplugging the
MIDI-out cable, can I prevent this from happening?
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Richard Walker writes:
> I just load my orchestra into GigaStudio, open a new document,
> choose my weapons, and away I go twiddle-free to create
> music and listen to a decent approximation of
> it, using the samples I like.
Which is exactly what I can do in Finale as well (appart from the
G
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> Or you could just buy a copy of Sibelius, which has a handy mixer window
to
> control the MIDI volume setting.
>
> Ducking for cover,
And so you should! :)
Seriously though, the MIDI options in Finale while fairly flexible are not
nearly as clearly laid as they c
To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure I should duck for cover.
I've been playing with Sibelius, and its MIDI implementation is brilliant.
It's more than just the mixer window (which is entertaining for about 2
minutes). Unlike Finale, in Sibelius I've been able to customize default
patches for e
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