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major. This section is a massive
fugue in about 10 voices, and it includes a triple-sharp at one point. It was
notated either "#x" or "x#" - I don't remember, since it's a long time since I
saw this.
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when I
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happens to appear as the first note.
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lat key signature to a sharp one
or vice-versa, I always include cancelling naturals for the old signature.
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P.S.
Oops - I've just noticed I accidentally sent my previous message to the old
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unless you want to add an extra staff.
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sn't ambiguous, that I can't foresee. However, if
you depart from the traditional rule, and try to cover all ambiguities, it
inevitably moves you to the strict rule I mentioned.
I did use parentheses at one time for cautionaries, but I later abandoned
that as unneces
;t seem to get into the feel
of it.)
(In the name "Vojtísek", the "s" also has an accent like an inverted
circumflex, but I couldn't find out how to type it.)
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ould rather go overboard than not far enough. I would rather be clear
and unambiguous than to reduce notation at all costs. I don't believe fewer
accidentals necessarily makes the music easier to read.
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way - I have a bit of
reluctance to invent new conventions like this, no matter how clear they are.
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e only beat subdivision used in a
passage - but all the ties and complicated rests that tend to get required in
compound metres are a bit off-putting.
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in that sense - they just sounded bombastic,
and it was done again and again - not just occasionally here and there for
expressive purposes. (I think I heard a few wrong notes amongst some of those
thickened up octaves or chords, too, which didn't help matters.)
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re are no doubt
benefits in the form of a dedicated proponent of the piece (for a time, at
least), effective and idiomatic performances, and the like. I'm just making the
point that all the points are not necessarily in favour of writing for a
particular performer - there are negatives,
a slip of the pen or a misjudgement, and override it? (This
being a solo piano piece, there are no considerations here of having to balance
weight or texture with other performers - issues which, if present, might
clarify the matter.)
Regards,
Micha
tainment vs. self-expression? But I don't see why you can't do all
of these at the same time, or any combination of them that you desire and are
temperamentally suited for.
Just a few thoughts prompted by recent discussion.
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e, if the music had a major feel to it, and didn't seem to be based on a
system of different modes.
>And be prepared to argue with some people about it.
... As seems to be the case with most notational practices, no matter how
obvious one method may seem to one. I wonder why people (
[Richard Huggins:]
>Just for the record, as a pianist I can't agree with Michael Edwards' rather
>global criticism of the pedalling decisions and techniques of the pianists
>he has heard.
Well, I see nothing wrong with saying what I like or don't, and whether I
want
, I was not talking about music intended for educational use -
just general use. I routinely use extensive pedal markings in music not
intended for educational use.
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wing
rhythms - namely that swing is almost always notated in straight notes - the
middle section in this piece is notated mostly in dotted rhythms. Brubeck's
scores - at least the piano versions I have - often use dotted rhythms in this
manner.)
just saw it once in a score, and was curious
to know if there were any arguments in favour of it.)
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hink you've got to change your strategy if you want to receive all
your normal e-mail.
>You will only need to do this once per Spam Arrest customer.
Bob, I think you're going to have a quiet time, e-mail-wise, if you require
everyone to verify themselves. Perhaps that's
he "tre battuti" section. What would be the arguments
against using a triple or quadruple time signature? (That is, apart from the
tradition that says you don't notate scherzi in this manner.)
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here something to be said for it? Is there any kind of logic that can actually
justify it, beyond my comment above that it is clear in a funny kind of way?
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automatically. Is it as simple as this?
If anyone can shed light on this, or at least point me to a site that
explains all this further, I would be grateful.
Thanks.
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[Brad Beyenhof:]
>On Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:17 PM, Michael Edwards wrote:
>
>>I learned that the "beat" was the primary unit of rhythm, and
>>that you could term subdivisions of that "pulses".
>> Am I wrong on this? Or can you have it eithe
st,...
I would not dare raise anything on this list that I *didn't* want to become
a huge discussion. :-)
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[Liudas Motekaitis:]
>... you almost never use a dotted note as a beat...
Not even in 6/8 or 9/8 or 12/8?
Surely the beat there is a dotted note? Or have I misinterpreted your
comment, Liudas?
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hat "pulses".
Am I wrong on this? Or can you have it either way?
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o me the cause is likely to be a shortage of either empty
disk space or memory.
In any case, whatever the cause, I would completely reboot the computer
before resuming work on any important operation.
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osers such as Ravel, Debussy, Stravinsky, John Ireland, Cyril
Scott, and a few others. I suppose it's a hybrid style, really.
I don't know if that helps clarify the kind of context within which I would
be notating this kind of music. I have always mainly worked within a broadly
&
f descending pitch, isn't there an argument for putting
trumpets above horns?
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r triangle were placed *above*
the bass drum or tamtam, and it always jarred somehow, although it can't be
actually called incorrect if there is no standard ordering of these instruments.
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[Christopher B. J. Smith:]
>At 11:40 PM +1000 5/31/03, Michael Edwards wrote:
>> This thread is becoming so involved, and going in different
>>directions, that my thoughts are starting to fragment a little.
>
>Yeah, mine, too!
>
>Bob F, (if you're still list
This thread is becoming so involved, and going in different directions,
that my thoughts are starting to fragment a little. But, for what it's worth,
are a few reactions to some of the things David Fenton said recently.
[David W. Fenton:]
>On 30 May 2003 at 2:12, Michael Edwar
[David W. Fenton:]
>>>Clefs have always been considered as having no musical meaning.
[Michael Edwards:]
>> What is "musical meaning"? . . .
[David:]
>Well, what I mean is that a clef does not tell you anything about how
>to play the notes -- it just tells you
[Andrew Stiller:]
>Michael Edwards:
>
>> I agree that one is getting into murky areas if one decides editorially
>>to change Mozart's notation, and update it to modern conventions generally;
>>but, as a composer, I would every time prefer the modern notation,
[Mark D. Lew:]
>At 7:12 AM 05/30/03, Michael Edwards wrote:
>
>> Given your situation, and that you explain in the score the changes
>>you've made, at least briefly, this is, I suppose acceptable. If I were doing
>>this, I would also put "edited by..."
rdon me
if I've misspelled Granados's Spanish title.)
However, these pieces are intended for skilled pianists who practise before
performing them, and are probably not casual sight-reading material. I guess
things are a bit different with educational music, piano versions of op
[Mark D. Lew:]
>At 2:12 AM 05/30/03, Michael Edwards wrote:
>
>>Careful notation is, to me, so much a part of the total
>>compositional process (although not necessarily a very early part of it) that
>>I just took it for granted that other composers would feel similarly.
sume it wouldn't be correct, strictly speaking, if you had a
genuine Bartók style of irregular groups of notes that was not simple
syncopation, but a genuine irregular metre. In this case I would probably use
the 3+3+2 style of numerator.
Regards,
[Ray Horton:]
>>>Michael Edwards wrote:
>>>
>>>>(a) The use or non-use of naturals in key-signature changes should (in my
>>>>opinion) be determined by the composer (especially if he or she definitely
>>>>wants a particular method), and not ov
ate on me, and I wouldn't want to
be responsible for promoting clearly wrong usage; but I am not temperamentally
inclined to try to make others do anything against their will.)
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owing a composer's original notation, I wasn't thinking of
situations like this, but of more modern music where the notation is quite
understandable, but just with certain mannerisms: things like note-beaming,
style of key-signature change - the things we were talking about before.
[David W. Fenton:]
>On 29 May 2003 at 8:10, Michael Edwards wrote:
>
>> I guess the situation is a bit difficult for older music, where notation
>>has changed sufficiently that older music might be difficult for modern people
>>to read. I suppose we have to ac
at counts the most. But do it, I do -
sooner or later, usually before tweaking my ideas further, for which I need the
clarity of thought that clear and precise notation gives me.
[Daniel Dorff:]
>From: "Michael Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>...But as long as a
>>n
Szymanowski's composing.
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[Ray Horton:]
>Michael Edwards wrote:
>
>>(a) The use or non-use of naturals in key-signature changes should (in my
>>opinion) be determined by the composer (especially if he or she definitely
>>wants a particular method), and not overridden by the engraver or publish
er ways
in which house styles might change what a composer wrote.
I don't mind that in the least. Lots of interesting questions can come up
that way.
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dards that are any more than a particular house style can be
achieved while there are so many opinions on what practices are best. Who's
going to decide what the universal standards are going to be? And on what
grounds?
I suspect everyone who's commented on notation here recently wou
most
intertwine with one another to produce spiky, intricate textures.
Just one of those oddities I've found over the years in shops selling
second-hand music.
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ey signature).
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tice started in the first place. But the use of computers eliminates that
reason, and, in engraving an orchestral score, I would keep the naturals.
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m? - and presumably refuse to
publish the music if the composer didn't accept this?
In matters of notation, where is the line drawn between honouring what the
composer has written, and following a publisher's house style, used for all
publications?
Regard
used confusing descriptions myself, I'll try to depict crudely in
ASCII art what I was trying to describe:
|
|
xxx| . (C)
xxx|
|
|
xxx| . (F)
xxx xxx
|xxx . (E)
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|
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Micha
ots for the F and C to the right a bit so that they line up
vertically exactly with the dot for the E? (Which would, of course, be below
the E line rather than above.)
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unds like it
*belongs* in 5/4, not in some other metre bent into 5/4. (I'm not a Witness -
but I do happen to have a copy of the songbook.)
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;"Take Five" might ring a bell.
There's also "Mars, the Bringer of War", the first movement from Holst's
"The Planets" suite; I think it's quite well known now.
Not sure if it's public domain - is that important, for any reas
below, and the C-clefs in various
positions. These are never used with octave-transposition, as far as I know.
So what octave clefs are being referred to here? What do they look like,
and how (if at all) do you transpose from the "obvious&qu
misinformed by someone who believes those
instruments should be notated in treble clef. Someone of a different opinion
would just see it as one of the exceptions, though.
Regards,
Michael Edwards.
clef changes in. That way, you can
simplify score-reading (greatly, not just trivially), and yet satisfy players
who wish to read parts that follow the various transpositions, traditional
clefs, and the like.
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,
and the one I would prefer.
Is there a particular reason why the use of bass clef should be surprising?
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cking them completely would be too harsh and punitive.
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to spend lots of time policing the
content of every post.
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on rare occasions when there is a
justification for doing so).)
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Darcy asked, I suppose
each violin section can at least be separately divided into three. Certainly
*this* is common enough (I've seen it quite frequently in scores), and surely
shouldn't cause confusion.
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haps a bit
unconventional, but perfectly clear: the only way you could read it was that the
entire group of violins (I and II combined) were, for that movement, to be
divided into three equal portions.
I do grant, though, that this would not be a good solution for anything
less than
er you're replying to, I'm used to changing the "To:" heading to
"Finale", and so it was easier to overlook the fact that it was a private
letter.)
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fact it would be better just to wait until I can get
Finale, and not bother using NotePad beforehand?
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fully readable and useable in Finale - but I imagine this would be so, wouldn't
it?
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How much hard disk space and memory would I need to install and use
NotePad?
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beer) came to Rossini with
some of his recent music, and asked Rossini to give an opinion of it.
Rossini said something along the lines of: "This music is both great and
original. However, the parts that are great are not original, and the parts
that are original are not great."
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and I
didn't want my idea to be perceived as a quotation at all.
But it kind of gave me a shock to realize just how easy it is to
unintentionally steal ideas. And I am a bit purist about this, and never
knowingly quote anything at all in any music I've ever composed.
n white keys, I would have
got it up to speed far more quickly.
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es quite or even very different - and so on.)
If you are dealing with small enough portions of melody, it would be almost
impossible to compose a melody without bits of it being very similar to other
melodies. It would be a bit like trying to write a novel making sure that no
3-
nk
about that. The C.D.-ROM which came with my laptop is one of those ones that
reformats the C: drive when you reinstall (a system which I *hate*), but perhaps
there are tricks for reinstalling in other ways - I don't really know.
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tandard notational practice.
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bit too easy.
Do these staff styles allow you to hide particular symbols individually, or
only allow you to set a general rule which decides automatically what is hidden
and what is not, and then you can't make exceptions?
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(127
being 1 less than a power of 2), and at least do no harm?
Just curious.
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or bar-lines - as in some
concerto cadenzas, for example?
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[Johannes Gebauer:]
>On 22.06.2002 16:20 Uhr, Michael Edwards wrote
>
>> I do occasionally need things like bitonal or custom key
>> signatures, or bar-lines occurring in different places in different staves,
>> or different time signatures in different staves
>
>
[Robert Patterson:]
>On Sat, 22 June 2002, "Michael Edwards" wrote
>> I've heard comments from various people
>> which seem to indicate that Finale is not easy to use;
>
>We should draw a distinction here between easy to use and easy to learn.
I guess
dows, what are the options for a macro program? Jari
mentioned TGTools and Forza! Quick Navigator. Would those be the main ones you
had in mind for Windows? Or is a macro program something quite different from
those programs I just named?
Rega
ioned before, I don't especially like using the mouse, and would ideally
like to do everything (or as much as possible) from the keyboard. So would
something like QuickKeys be useful there, even in Windows?
Regards,
Michael Edwards.
ut various
computer problems I have; but I must admit I have less faith in it than I used
to. Purchasing Finale looks more likely now than it has done before, although
I've been considering it for some time.
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Michael Edwards.
oubt about what was intended, if strict usage were not always followed
by the composer.
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... And another issue I'd like right of reply on, please - perhaps a touch more
contentious, as I do have differing views on this:
[Michael Edwards:]
>> They are the only specific things Patrick said. He made other vague
>> references to "established style", but
he greater-than signs by hand if it will make life easier
for people, although it can be a slight nuisance if it causes some lines to
exceed 80 characters, because I then need to reformat the whole paragraph in
question.
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Michael Edwards.
[Philip Aker:]
> If you were inclined in the area I suggest that you would have
> noticed how most people format their email and quote replies on this list and
> adjusted your posts to the norm accordingly.
>
&
Michael Edwards.
[Myself:]
>> Oh no - not *another* platform war! :-) I'm not buying into that. I don't
>> like Windows, but a whole history of circumstances has led to me using that
>> system - mainly learning co
Michael Edwards.
[Keith Helgesen:]
>Michael- remember the Aussie expression "come in spinner"!
Never heard of it before, and I don't know what it means.
>I suspect your indignant reactions to some of the points made
Michael Edwards.
[Lawrence Yates:]
>One of the things I like about Edwards style is that he puts his name at the
>top of the e-mail so that we can see imediately from whom the message is sent
>rather than having to scroll up to the d
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[Jari Williamsson:]
If you are being jumped upon by Philip, your error is that you aren't using
a Mac. :-)
Oh no - not *another* platform war! :-) I'm not buying into that. I don't
like Windows, but a w
Michael Edwards.
[Johannes Gebauer:]
>Sorry, Edward, I did not mean to offend you.
That's okay. I wasn't really offended, but felt a need to clarify what I
said (or intended to say). And thanks for your advice about engra
Michael Edwards.
[Johannes Gebauer:]
>However, the point that Philip is making is perhaps the same that Jari was
>making earlier: You claim you have a lot of knowledge and are careful with
>details, yet you make it quite obvious that yo
Michael Edwards.
[Philip Aker:]
If you were inclined in the area I suggest that you would have noticed how most
people format their email and quote replies on this list and adjusted your posts
to the norm accordingly.
[My respone:]
I don
Michael Edwards.
[Jari Williamsson:]
What I've said is that Igor's slurs and ties does not have the ability to
conform to any publisher's style. The replies I got are the usual "I think
they look good". If you ca
Michael Edwards.
[David H. Bailey:]
>I didn't mean to imply that if you gave the files to the client that you
>wouldn't keep a copy.
...
>But I think you should keep a copy of all the files so that you can
>always do furth
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