On 30 Jun 2009 at 22:33, Owain Sutton wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> > On 30 Jun 2009 at 19:03, Owain Sutton wrote:
> >
> >> David W. Fenton wrote:
> >>> On 30 Jun 2009 at 7:24, Phil Daley wrote:
> >I'm flabbergasted at the opposition the mere reporting of a fact has
> >generating.
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 30 Jun 2009 at 19:03, Owain Sutton wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 30 Jun 2009 at 7:24, Phil Daley wrote:
>I'm flabbergasted at the opposition the mere reporting of a fact has
>generating.
Because it isn't a "fact".
Yes, it *is* a fact: The studies where, in FA
On 30 Jun 2009 at 19:03, Owain Sutton wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> > On 30 Jun 2009 at 7:24, Phil Daley wrote:
> >> >I'm flabbergasted at the opposition the mere reporting of a fact has
> >> >generating.
> >>
> >> Because it isn't a "fact".
> >
> > Yes, it *is* a fact: The studies where, i
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 30 Jun 2009 at 7:24, Phil Daley wrote:
At 6/29/2009 09:00 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 29 Jun 2009 at 20:53, Christopher Smith wrote:
>
>> On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:35 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>>
>> > On 29 Jun 2009 at 13:33, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> >
>>
On 30 Jun 2009 at 7:24, Phil Daley wrote:
> At 6/29/2009 09:00 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> >On 29 Jun 2009 at 20:53, Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:35 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 29 Jun 2009 at 13:33, Christopher Smith wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I'm jus
At 6/29/2009 09:00 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 29 Jun 2009 at 20:53, Christopher Smith wrote:
>
>> On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:35 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>>
>> > On 29 Jun 2009 at 13:33, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm just saying that just because the study may be valid, it
>> >> doesn't
On 29 Jun 2009 at 20:53, Christopher Smith wrote:
> On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:35 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> > On 29 Jun 2009 at 13:33, Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> >> I'm just saying that just because the study may be valid, it
> >> doesn't mean it applies to ME.
> >
> > Why would you find it i
On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:35 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 29 Jun 2009 at 13:33, Christopher Smith wrote:
I'm just saying that just because the study may be valid, it
doesn't mean it applies to ME.
Why would you find it important or necessary to say so?
Well, you know, just because! Why are
On 29 Jun 2009 at 13:33, Christopher Smith wrote:
> I'm just saying that just because the study may be valid, it
> doesn't mean it applies to ME.
Why would you find it important or necessary to say so?
Who has made any assertion to the contrary?
--
David W. Fentonhttp://d
On 29 Jun 2009 at 12:55, John Howell wrote:
> At 10:50 AM -0400 6/29/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >
> >The results of a statistical
> >study of people's behavior is no[t] PROSCRIPTIVE, but DESCRIPTIVE.
> >That's is, it doesn't say what people SHOULD do, but describes how
> >people behave.
>
> All
On 29 Jun 2009 at 17:22, Owain Sutton wrote:
> Given that you can't tell us what was tested, how it was tested or when
> this was done, I don't know what it is a result OF, and so no, I don't
> accept it at face value as proof of anything at all.
I have never at any point in this discussion claim
On Jun 29, 2009, at 10:50 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 29 Jun 2009 at 1:47, Christopher Smith wrote:
Now, it was not entirely scientific (I chose my tasks to represent
what I normally did a lot of, and I WAS more used to my usual
routine, even after practicing the others) but my conclusion w
On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:08 AM, dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:30, dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]> I don't know. While one could say that Apple had an
agenda, MS came
late to that ballgame.
Why would Apple and Microsoft have an incentive to misrepr
At 10:50 AM -0400 6/29/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
The results of a statistical
study of people's behavior is no[t] PROSCRIPTIVE, but DESCRIPTIVE.
That's is, it doesn't say what people SHOULD do, but describes how
people behave.
All very true, but let's not forget the dirty little secret of
st
Given that you can't tell us what was tested, how it was tested or when
this was done, I don't know what it is a result OF, and so no, I don't
accept it at face value as proof of anything at all.
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 29 Jun 2009 at 6:40, Owain Sutton wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
I don
On 29 Jun 2009 at 11:06, dhbailey wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> > On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:21, dhbailey wrote:
> >
> >> David W. Fenton wrote:
> >>> On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
> >>>
> I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
> watching th
On 29 Jun 2009 at 11:08, dhbailey wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> > On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:30, dhbailey wrote:
> >
> >> David W. Fenton wrote:
> >> [snip]> I don't know. While one could say that Apple had an
> >> agenda, MS came
> >>> late to that ballgame.
> >>>
> >>> Why would Apple and Microso
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:21, dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without having to use the
mouse at all. W
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:30, dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]> I don't know. While one could say that Apple had an
agenda, MS came
late to that ballgame.
Why would Apple and Microsoft have an incentive to misrepresent the
research? What good would it do them t
On 29 Jun 2009 at 1:47, Christopher Smith wrote:
> Now, it was not entirely scientific (I chose my tasks to represent
> what I normally did a lot of, and I WAS more used to my usual
> routine, even after practicing the others) but my conclusion was more
> or less that you should do what you
On 29 Jun 2009 at 6:40, Owain Sutton wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> > I don't know the study designs, nor do I know the nature of the
> > testing or the user population.
>
> > I don't get where this kind of statistical illiteracy comes from...
>
> Wanting to know the basic details of a
On Jun 28, 2009, at 12:56 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Until you can demonstrate that the research is flawed and produces
unreliable results, I'm going to believe those who've actually taken
the time to design mechanisms for testing the proposition, rather
than going with the gut feelings of indi
David W. Fenton wrote:
I don't know the study designs, nor do I know the nature of the
testing or the user population.
I don't get where this kind of statistical illiteracy comes from...
Wanting to know the basic details of a study before accepting an
assertion of results is statist
On 28 Jun 2009 at 23:30, Owain Sutton wrote:
> I think a return put-up-or-show-up is necessary: if the research wasn't
> done by observing up-to-date computer-literate users on recent operating
> systems, then it's fundamentally flawed for the present discussion.
Look, this research has been do
Darcy James Argue wrote:
... show me *any* other application, of any kind, that deals with
fonts and does not have a dedicated Font menu or Font panel.
Sibelius's way of working may seem "logical" in retrospect, but it's
totally unlike anything else out there. It's not just different from
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 28.06.2009 Phil Daley wrote:
For one thing, both Apple and Microsoft SELL mouses.
To defend David on this one: they also sell keyboards, no?
If anything they both sell operating systems which relies heavily on the
mouse.
I don't know, I personally don't think s
On 28 Jun 2009, at 1:56 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 3:30 PM -0400 6/26/09, Darcy James Argue wrote:
And when I am trying to do something I don't know how to do in an
application I'm not 100% familiar with, I tend to look in the
*menus* -- I don't think I'm that unusual in that regard.
And
On 28.06.2009 Phil Daley wrote:
For one thing, both Apple and Microsoft SELL mouses.
To defend David on this one: they also sell keyboards, no?
If anything they both sell operating systems which relies heavily on the
mouse.
I don't know, I personally don't think such research really tells y
On 28.06.2009 John Howell wrote:
Control + click. Especially useful on trackpad laptops. Just for the record,
I really hated the trackpad when I got my first laptop, but now I'm very
comfortable with it. One gets used to anything with practice.
I have had laptops for more around 12 or 13 y
On 28 Jun 2009 at 14:49, Phil Daley wrote:
> At 6/28/2009 12:56 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> >Until you can demonstrate that the research is flawed and produces
> >unreliable results, I'm going to believe those who've actually taken
> >the time to design mechanisms for testing the propositio
At 6/28/2009 12:56 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>Until you can demonstrate that the research is flawed and produces
>unreliable results, I'm going to believe those who've actually taken
>the time to design mechanisms for testing the proposition, rather
>than going with the gut feelings of individua
At 8:43 PM -0400 6/26/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 20:23, John Howell wrote:
> and most Mac users don't even have
multi-button mice (although I do happen to have one).
Oh, come on! That dogma went out the window years ago!
I'm afraid I don't know anything about dogma, but
On 28 Jun 2009 at 14:06, John Howell wrote:
> At 4:31 PM -0400 6/26/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >Regardless, it should be
> >accessible via the standard UI convention, and on Windows, that is
> >right clicking the object to get a shortcut menu that offers a
> >PROPERTIES choice. There's nothing
At 4:31 PM -0400 6/26/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 22:19, Torges Gerhard wrote:
Am 26.06.2009 um 22:12 schrieb David W. Fenton:
> If there's a properties sheet that's not accessible on Windows via
> right click, then it's a nonstandard implementation of a properties
> sheet
At 3:30 PM -0400 6/26/09, Darcy James Argue wrote:
And when I am trying to do something I don't know how to do in an
application I'm not 100% familiar with, I tend to look in the
*menus* -- I don't think I'm that unusual in that regard.
And the Properties Window is indeed accessible through
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:56, Christopher Smith wrote:
> For example, in
> previous versions, metatools for dynamics were not preassigned.
> Starting from (I think) version 2002, 4 for forte and 7 for piano,
> with all the others stepped in between, is so simple and logical, yet
> I didn't think
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:37, dhbailey wrote:
> Apple and Microsoft hire very smart people -- and very smart
> people know how to manipulate statistics.
Put up or shut up. Either you can provide some citation somewhere
where some expert shows how Apple and MS's research is flawed, or you
have nothin
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:30, dhbailey wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> [snip]> I don't know. While one could say that Apple had an
> agenda, MS came
> > late to that ballgame.
> >
> > Why would Apple and Microsoft have an incentive to misrepresent the
> > research? What good would it do them to des
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:21, dhbailey wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> > On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
> >
> >> I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
> >> watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without having to use the
> >> mouse at all. When
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:13, dhbailey wrote:
> Funny how people are dissing Sibelius for not providing a
> "properties" option in right-click menus, yet aren't at the
> same time dissing Finale for the same lack. Hmm . . .
This is not about "dissing" one program or the other. The discussion
starte
Friends,
I've stayed out of the affray over whether mice or command line entry is
faster. I do remember reading some of the research when it come out,
however, and one thing I remember from the research is that the test
subjects were drawn from across the spectrum of user abilities, from
bran
On Jun 28, 2009, at 9:11 AM, dhbailey wrote:
DANIEL CARNO wrote:
Interesting thread guys,
First of all, you can right-click directly on an object in
Sibelius and
bring up the context menu.
The properties window is brought to the screen with a keyboard
shortcut.
Since Sibelius allows for r
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 27 Jun 2009 at 19:32, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
On Sat, June 27, 2009 7:25 pm, David W. Fenton wrote:
All I know is what the researchers report, that overall, mousing is
faster than keyboard. I don't know exactly how they tested, but the
results have stood up over m
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip]> Regardless, even once I know the actual height of
the character (or
lines of text) I'm trying to center vertically, having to run these
calculations is an enormous pain in the ass. Finale's had vertically
centered text for as long as I've been using the applicat
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]> I don't know. While one could say that Apple had an
agenda, MS came
late to that ballgame.
Why would Apple and Microsoft have an incentive to misrepresent the
research? What good would it do them to design their products to be
less useful than they could be?
DANIEL CARNO wrote:
Interesting thread guys,
First of all, you can right-click directly on an object in Sibelius and
bring up the context menu.
The properties window is brought to the screen with a keyboard shortcut.
Since Sibelius allows for re-mapping the keyboard to implement most of its
fea
Owain Sutton wrote:
I can see how the regular use of a persistent 'properties' window makes
sense for some users, who will be routinely modifying all sorts of details.
However, I think what is the unspoken query here is "Why can't I change
the appearance of text as easily as in Word?" In othe
Owain Sutton wrote:
I'm with you here. The absence of consistent access to 'properties' in
Finale context menus is one thing I'm regularly surprised by anew. They
seem, instead, to be 'things we guess you might want to do' menus.
Funny how people are dissing Sibelius for not providing a
"
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without having to use the
mouse at all. When I asked about it, they told me their productivity would
shrink
Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
Measuring 'numbers of clicks' isn't a good way of rating productivity,
however - I very rarely resort to the mouse to make such changes, in Word or
in OpenOffice. Multiple clicks either indicates an unawareness of key
--- On Sat, 6/27/09, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> Was it general public or touch-typists? I'm gonna guess
> general public, which
> would make a huge difference. If you have to look, I'd
> guess mouse is faster.
>
Having to look is what slows me down when I work with a mouse - if I'm doing
s
On 27 Jun 2009 at 19:32, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> On Sat, June 27, 2009 7:25 pm, David W. Fenton wrote:
> > All I know is what the researchers report, that overall, mousing is
> > faster than keyboard. I don't know exactly how they tested, but the
> > results have stood up over many years of
On Sat, June 27, 2009 7:25 pm, David W. Fenton wrote:
> All I know is what the researchers report, that overall, mousing is
> faster than keyboard. I don't know exactly how they tested, but the
> results have stood up over many years of assault from those who
> didn't believe them.
Was it general
On 27 Jun 2009 at 7:54, Phil Daley wrote:
> I expect the users who were tested were not that familiar with the keyboard
> shortcuts.
What an incredibly stupid response.
> It's obviously faster to make a few keystrokes that navigating a set of
> menus with a mouse.
You really think that Apple
On 26 Jun 2009 at 22:16, Christopher Smith wrote:
> On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:16 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> > On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
> >
> >> I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
> >> watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without
It's funny you should mention that - I only ever use the left shift key,
even when the other key to be pressed is under that hand. Rather like
double-stopping a violin :)
Adam Golding wrote:
exactly-keyboard shortcuts have a steeper learning curve-pianists are pretty
good with them, though :
At 7:50 AM +1000 6/26/09, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote:
Can Sibelius now have bar numbers centred, automatically underneath
each bar of the lowest staff in the piece? Couldn't before.
In a word, yes, in Sibelius 5 at least. Bar numbers were a mess in
Sibelius 4, only because the adjustments
exactly-keyboard shortcuts have a steeper learning curve-pianists are pretty
good with them, though :p
2009/6/27 Phil Daley
> I expect the users who were tested were not that familiar with the keyboard
> shortcuts.
>
> It's obviously faster to make a few keystrokes that navigating a set of
> men
I expect the users who were tested were not that familiar with the keyboard
shortcuts.
It's obviously faster to make a few keystrokes that navigating a set of
menus with a mouse.
At 6/26/2009 09:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 27 Jun 2009 at 2:20, Owain Sutton wrote:
>
>> David W. Fenton w
Hi Andrew,
On 26 Jun 2009, at 9:22 PM, Andrew Moschou wrote:
If it's not the next best thing, then what do you propose is better
that it,
but not as good as vertically centred text?
I didn't mean "this is not the next best thing" literally. My point
was that the solution you propose is no
On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:16 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without having to
use the
mouse at all. When I asked about it, they told m
On 27 Jun 2009 at 2:20, Owain Sutton wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> > On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
> >
> >> I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
> >> watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without having to use the
> >> mouse at all.
-
2009/6/27 Darcy James Argue
> Hi Andrew
>
> On 26 Jun 2009, at 6:47 AM, Andrew Moschou wrote:
>
> You can do the next best thing and say put the text at 130 mm (or
>> whatever)
>> from the top margin.
>>
>
> But this is not the "next best thing." If I want a 96 pt. page turn arrow
> vertical
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without having to use the
mouse at all. When I asked about it, they told me their productivity would
shri
On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
> I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
> watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without having to use the
> mouse at all. When I asked about it, they told me their productivity would
> shrink by 3/4 if they di
On Jun 26, 2009, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
The single button mouse has a command that is equivalent to the right
click. I seem to recall it's some form of slow click, but I could be
misremembering.
Control/Click on Mac, David.
Chuck Israels
230 North Garden Terrace
Bellingham, WA 9
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
>
> Measuring 'numbers of clicks' isn't a good way of rating productivity,
> however - I very rarely resort to the mouse to make such changes, in Word or
> in OpenOffice. Multiple clicks either indicates an unawareness of keyboard
> shortcuts,
John Howell wrote:
At 7:07 PM -0400 6/26/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 23:50, Owain Sutton wrote:
I can see how the regular use of a persistent 'properties' window makes
sense for some users, who will be routinely modifying all sorts of
details.
I just experimented, using
On 26 Jun 2009 at 20:23, John Howell wrote:
> At 7:07 PM -0400 6/26/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >On 26 Jun 2009 at 23:50, Owain Sutton wrote:
> >
> >> I can see how the regular use of a persistent 'properties' window makes
> >> sense for some users, who will be routinely modifying all sorts of
At 7:07 PM -0400 6/26/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 23:50, Owain Sutton wrote:
I can see how the regular use of a persistent 'properties' window makes
sense for some users, who will be routinely modifying all sorts of details.
I just experimented, using a Sib5 score I maintai
On 26 Jun 2009 at 23:50, Owain Sutton wrote:
> I can see how the regular use of a persistent 'properties' window makes
> sense for some users, who will be routinely modifying all sorts of details.
I haven't seen the exact implementation of this persistent properties
window, but it reminds me of
finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
David W. Fenton
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:45 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: RE: [Finale] Re: WHAT Sibelius can't do
On 26 Jun 2009 at 16:53, DANIEL CARNO wrote:
First of all, you can right-click directly on an object in Sibelius and
bring up the conte
Christopher Smith wrote:
On Jun 26, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hi guys,
Sibelius's Daniel Spreadbury monitors the Finale list so he emailed me
with additional info.
HOLY CRAP! (sorry for the strong language. Actually, not really.)
Man, this is the kind of support we want
-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
David W. Fenton
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:45 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: RE: [Finale] Re: WHAT Sibelius can't do
On 26 Jun 2009 at 16:53, DANIEL CARNO wrote:
> First of all, you can right-click directly on an object in
Of
Darcy James Argue
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:47 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: WHAT Sibelius can't do
Hi Dan,
On 26 Jun 2009, at 4:53 PM, DANIEL CARNO wrote:
> Interesting thread guys,
>
> First of all, you can right-click directly on an object in Sibelius
I'm with you here. The absence of consistent access to 'properties' in
Finale context menus is one thing I'm regularly surprised by anew. They
seem, instead, to be 'things we guess you might want to do' menus.
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 26.06.2009 David W. Fenton wrote:
It's these kind of l
On Jun 26, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hi guys,
Sibelius's Daniel Spreadbury monitors the Finale list so he emailed
me with additional info.
HOLY CRAP! (sorry for the strong language. Actually, not really.)
Man, this is the kind of support we want from our notation softwar
Hi Dan,
On 26 Jun 2009, at 4:53 PM, DANIEL CARNO wrote:
Interesting thread guys,
First of all, you can right-click directly on an object in Sibelius
and
bring up the context menu.
No you can't. At least not in Sibelius 5 for Mac. When I right-click
on a piece of title text before left-c
On 26 Jun 2009 at 16:53, DANIEL CARNO wrote:
> First of all, you can right-click directly on an object in Sibelius and
> bring up the context menu.
Standard Windows UI is that the context menu include PROPERTIES at
the bottom of it. Are the Sibelius menus configurable?
--
David W. Fenton
26, 2009 4:33 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: WHAT Sibelius can't do
On 26 Jun 2009 at 16:27, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> Right-clicking in Sib (after left-clicking an object to select it)
> does invoke a contextual menu, but "Properties" is not one of the
On 26.06.2009 David W. Fenton wrote:
It's these kind of little details that always made it hard for me to
even attempt to use Sibelius.
Well, I don't see that Finale is any better in regarding UI standards.
It has in fact been known for having a rather non-standard UI.
Johannes
_
On 26 Jun 2009 at 16:27, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> Right-clicking in Sib (after left-clicking an object to select it)
> does invoke a contextual menu, but "Properties" is not one of the
> options.
Two clicks is user-hostile and nonstandard behavior. Any click should
select the object.
It's
On 26 Jun 2009 at 22:19, Torges Gerhard wrote:
> Am 26.06.2009 um 22:12 schrieb David W. Fenton:
>
> > If there's a properties sheet that's not accessible on Windows via
> > right click, then it's a nonstandard implementation of a properties
> > sheet, and would confuse me, too.
>
> It's a float
I am one of the users who have Sibelius 5 for the client or two who
requires that and use Finale (since 3.7.2 and now 2010) for most things.
That withstanding, don't you all think it's pretty cool that Sibelius'
product development man, while monitoring the Finale list, is willing to
jump in an
Both, I am pretty sure (though I've not used Sibelius for Windows.)
Right-clicking in Sib (after left-clicking an object to select it)
does invoke a contextual menu, but "Properties" is not one of the
options.
For instance, if I left-click then right-click a bit of title text, my
contextu
Hello David,
Am 26.06.2009 um 22:12 schrieb David W. Fenton:
If there's a properties sheet that's not accessible on Windows via
right click, then it's a nonstandard implementation of a properties
sheet, and would confuse me, too.
It's a floating window, like a palette in a painting program.
A
On 26 Jun 2009 at 16:04, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> Objects in Sibelius can't be right-clicked to invoke Properties or a
> contextual menu. You have to open the Properties window, then left-
> click on the object, then open a bunch of disclosure triangles in the
> Properties window to see if
Hi David,
Objects in Sibelius can't be right-clicked to invoke Properties or a
contextual menu. You have to open the Properties window, then left-
click on the object, then open a bunch of disclosure triangles in the
Properties window to see if what you want to do is there.
Cheers,
- Darc
On 26 Jun 2009 at 15:30, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> The Properties window does not open by default when you launch Sib.
> It's not mentioned in any of the basic tutorials. It was a while
> before I even realized it existed.
It seems obvious to me since the introduction of Windows 95 that if
Hi David,
The Properties window does not open by default when you launch Sib.
It's not mentioned in any of the basic tutorials. It was a while
before I even realized it existed. It takes up a lot of screen real
estate so I tend to leave it closed when I work. It's context-
sensitive, so yo
On Jun 26, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Thanks, that works for mid-document blank pages. But how about a
blank page the end of a document? I still can't figure that one out.
Pages are added automatically to the end when changing the layout or
adding additional measures. Yo
On 26 Jun 2009 at 14:27, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> Sib hides a lot of its
> more useful features in the Properties window.
While I haven't used Sibelius, the idea that access to the properties
of text would be "hidden" by putting them in the properties window
seems completely absurd to me. A
Hi guys,
Sibelius's Daniel Spreadbury monitors the Finale list so he emailed me
with additional info. I've reproduced it below with my replies.
HI Daniel,
Thanks for your reply -- much appreciated.
On 26 Jun 2009, at 2:25 PM, Daniel Spreadbury wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I happened to see thi
Hi Andrew
On 26 Jun 2009, at 6:47 AM, Andrew Moschou wrote:
You can do the next best thing and say put the text at 130 mm (or
whatever)
from the top margin.
But this is not the "next best thing." If I want a 96 pt. page turn
arrow vertically and horizontally centered on a 9" tall page, wh
On 26 Jun 2009, at 6:01 AM, Torges Gerhard wrote:
Hello Darcy,
Am 26.06.2009 um 10:39 schrieb Darcy James Argue:
I'm actually working in Sib 5 tonight. Here are some incredibly
frustrating things that I couldn't get Sib to do:
- insert a blank page in the middle of a document
Eas
2009/6/26 Darcy James Argue
> I'm actually working in Sib 5 tonight. Here are some incredibly frustrating
> things that I couldn't get Sib to do:
>
>- insert a blank page in the middle of a document
Layout > Break > Special Page Break... (or Ctrl+Shift+Enter shortcut)
>- add a
Hello Darcy,
Am 26.06.2009 um 10:39 schrieb Darcy James Argue:
I'm actually working in Sib 5 tonight. Here are some incredibly
frustrating things that I couldn't get Sib to do:
- insert a blank page in the middle of a document
Easy.
Insert a page turn (cmd-Enter), select its symbol
On 26 Jun 2009, at 4:39 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
- add a Text Style that aligns to the vertical center of a page (I
use these for page number arrows)
Er, page TURN arrows.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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Brooklyn, NY
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I'm actually working in Sib 5 tonight. Here are some incredibly
frustrating things that I couldn't get Sib to do:
- insert a blank page in the middle of a document
- add a Text Style that aligns to the vertical center of a page (I
use these for page number arrows)
- repeat t
Actually Sibelius could always place bar numbers under the bottom staff
but, until version 5, it required a two step process the second step of
which was a somewhat obscure adjustment that was easily missed. This was
all changed in Sibelius 5. Bar number adjustments are now very easy and
very flexi
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