Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning. Oh shit. Nick's in a state again. On Apr 12, 2013 9:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: I have a terrible time with the word state; how about

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Could be! Ok. Now that that is behind us, what did the message mean? N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:02 PM To: The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
don't speak Haskell. --Doug On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Could be! Ok. Now that that is behind us, what did the message mean? N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Saturday

Re: [FRIAM] scientific evidence

2013-04-12 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Uh The Village Pragmatist here: remember, is Pragmatist philosophy, consensus or convergence is not the goal. It's the outcome that arises from people attempting to discover the Truth. It really is quite paradoxical. But just bear in mind the 100 years of chemistry by which we came by the

[FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-12 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Arlo, Glen, and Frank, I would like us to come to some sort of common understanding of how to use the word, tautology, because I think the definitional issue is keeping us from making progress on more substantive matters. See how much of the following you both can agree with: (1) We are

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-12 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Ah. Thanks glen. This is super helpful. Larding below. -Original Message- From: glen [mailto:g...@ropella.name] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 4:01 PM To: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning. Nicholas Thompson wrote at 04/12

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-12 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning. Nicholas Thompson wrote at 04/12/2013 03:51 PM: [NST ==[...] Am I correct that you want to exclude for tautological sequences of reasoning where the conclusion is entailed the premises (or the answer in the question

Re: [FRIAM] pluralism in science

2013-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
A philosopher of science is somebody who studies the logic of science, in the broadest sense of “logic”. Like anything else in philosophy, it can either be normative or descriptive: i.e., an attempt to discover what scientists should do, or what in fact they do. Nick From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] pluralism in science

2013-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve, Why presuppose that the question is anything but a question? Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:39 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] pluralism in science

Re: [FRIAM] pluralism in science

2013-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Roger, I guess my hackles went up a bit at the notion that something gets to be scientific based on the judgment of a philosopher of science. Most of the philosci I have read has been based on trying to get at the essence of what scientists do when they are successful. Every scientist

Re: [FRIAM] pluralism in science

2013-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Doug, I guess I think that Wikipedia has failed you in this particular case. Notice that the definition is .. Tautological .. . It merely repeats the definiendum in the definiens. See the current conversation between Glen and I about tautologies. Basically, I think it's fair to

Re: [FRIAM] pluralism in science

2013-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
S. I don't think it makes sense to seal a person into prior positions. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:32 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] pluralism in science Nick -

Re: [FRIAM] pluralism in science

2013-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Roger, I guess my hackles went up a bit at the notion that something gets to be scientific based on the judgment of a philosopher of science. Most of the philosci I have read has been based on trying to get at the essence

Re: [FRIAM] pluralism in science

2013-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
are talking along evolutionary time scales, eventually we will all be able to tell right from wrong as well. My recommendation is to not hold your breath on this, though. --Doug On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: The Village Pragmatist believes

Re: [FRIAM] Whirled Happiness

2013-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Doug, Steve, I am a little confused about which of you is beering with Epstein, but whichever one of you it is, please take along a copy of http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/12/1/9.html and ask him what the hell he was drinking when he wrote, Explanation .does not imply prediction. If you do

Re: [FRIAM] scientific evidence

2013-04-10 Thread Nicholas Thompson
injects something more into the result, over and above whatever info was embedded/implied in the premises? Or is there some other reason? Nicholas Thompson wrote at 04/05/2013 12:10 PM: Well, you may all soon tire of my attempt to channel the classical pragmatist, C.S Peirce

Re: [FRIAM] scientific evidence

2013-04-10 Thread Nicholas Thompson
: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:04 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] scientific evidence On 04/10/2013 09:17 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: I have yet to integrate my thinking about convergence (preferable to consensus, I think) with the stuff about

Re: [FRIAM] just the facts

2013-04-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Amazingly, Snopes doesn't have anything about chemtrails. In fact, there is a whole forum controversy about what it MEANS that Snopes doesn't have anything about chemtrails. Gotta stop thinking about this. Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas

[FRIAM] Today's meeting

2013-04-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
All - Frank and I will be a bit late this morning, but we are coming. Should be safely there by 9.45. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 9:12 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending Nicholas Thompson wrote at 04/04/2013 10

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
...@ropella.name wrote: Nicholas Thompson wrote at 04/04/2013 10:03 PM: Again, acting in my capacity as the Village Pragmatist, I would assert that science is the only procedure capable of producing lasting consensus. The other methods various forms of torture, mostly ... do not produce

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
It think the Village Pragmatist would insist, contra Roger, that even as there is an explosion of small doubts at the periphery of our collective understanding, so also there is an explosion of the stuff that we have come to agree about. Nick -Original Message- From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Doug, Somebody laid the chemtrails thing on me the other day . an otherwise perfectly sensible neighbor . and I was left standing in the street with my jaw hanging open. What do you say when somebody your sort of like, touches you on the upper arm, points skyward and says, Call me nuts, but

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, Nick. To nobody's great surprise, I guess. --Doug On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Doug, Somebody laid the chemtrails thing on me the other day . an otherwise perfectly sensible neighbor . and I was left standing in the street with my jaw

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Again, acting in my capacity as the Village Pragmatist, I would assert that science is the only procedure capable of producing lasting consensus. The other methods various forms of torture, mostly ... do not produce such enduring results. N -Original Message- From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
[psi] N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Rich Murray Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:41 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; Rich Murray Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

Re: [FRIAM] beyond reductionism twice

2013-03-26 Thread Nicholas Thompson
...@gmail.com wimber...@gmail.com mailto:wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu Phone: (505) 995-8715 tel:%28505%29%20995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 tel:%28505%29%20670-9918 From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11

Re: [FRIAM] beyond reductionism twice

2013-03-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Science really doesn't think in terms of causes. Really, Russ? That's quite a sweeper, isn't it? Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:

Re: [FRIAM] beyond reductionism twice

2013-03-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Russ, I don't know wtf I am. I have always thought of myself as a scientist, but I am sure that many on this list have their doubts. I am certainly not a hard scientist. I was hoping by my comment to lure you into a more lengthy explication of the idea that real scientists don't

Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team

2013-03-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Nick's counselling session will be scheduled shortly... --Doug (Who can tell when his chain is being yanked.) On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net

Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team

2013-03-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
person's bug might be another's feature. --joshua On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Nick's counselling session will be scheduled shortly... --Doug (Who can tell when his chain is being yanked.) On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Virtual Choir 4: Bliss by Eric Whitacre - Kickstarter

2013-03-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Owen. Thanks for sending this around. It is absolutely stunning. Talk about a crowd in the cloud. Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:56 PM To: Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: Virtual Choir 4: Bliss by

Re: [FRIAM] Another Saturday, another Google fib sees the light of day

2013-03-23 Thread Nicholas Thompson
At the risk of thread-bending, I would like to point out that every conversation we have these days, from daylight savings to google, seems to be about the same issue. How do we tell the difference between incoherence and lying? Lying presupposes a fundamental coherence in the entity of which we

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

2013-03-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Owen, Why not simply refuse to change your clocks.Don't change when you get up and go to bed, eat breakfast, etc. When you make an appointment to meet somebody, just bear in mind that they are in a different time zone from you.In the fall, for instance, you remain in Santa Fe, and

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

2013-03-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Owen: The thing that keeps puzzling me about your appeals here is the hidden assumption (I think I detect) that there is Somebody In Charge. It's the parasitic ant model. There's a species of ant that makes its living by its fertilized queens putting on perfumes and waving their little

Re: [FRIAM] Semiannual Time Change

2013-03-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Yes, you would think. From long experience with FRIAM I have learned that it is best not to be lofty and wrong at the same time. Lofty, occasionally? Wrong, often! But never lofty AND wrong. See Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biannual?s=t Not to be

Re: [FRIAM] Fred Davis, The Looking Glass: Language as Mirror 2013.03.13: Jerry Katz, Nonduality Salon: Rich Murray 2012.03.16

2013-03-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I think you have all gone crazy. I would sooner be hugged with arms and reasoned to with words, than the other way around. N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Rich Murray Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:50 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied

Re: [FRIAM] fASCIIsm and half-ASCII users.

2013-03-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve, Perhaps the all caps person is reacting to the work of Archie the Cockroach, who, like e.e. Cummings wrote only in lower case because, unlike e.e. Cummings (presumably), he could only press letters by leaping on the keys one by one. (I guess, if the typewriter had been in cap locks

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

2013-03-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I heard somewhere that it is a plot by the fast food industry. Apparently fast food sales go up dramatically after daylight saving time comes on. (!?) N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Thorp Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:34 AM To:

[FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?

2013-03-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap,

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

2013-03-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
So Owen. You want your school aged grandchildren children standing out by the mail box in the pitch dark of the night (January, 6am, DST) in rush hour traffic? Why does it not work for you just to get up when you feel like and let us lemmings shift back to standard time when we feel like

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

2013-03-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Yeah. Do no Evil, except, of course if you feel like it. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 4:00 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of

Re: [FRIAM] The Professors' Big Stage

2013-03-07 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Ed, I am curious to know what the folks on this list think an education consists in. For me, it consisted in (1) Many large lectures of which most were stultifying beyond belief, but of which a few were inspiring. (2)A few settings where I made direct contact with professors

Re: [FRIAM] The Professors' Big Stage

2013-03-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Owen, Something tells me Celebrity Professor Thing is not going to end well. It is the TEDdification of higher education. Vast numbers of silent people, sitting in the dark, watching somebody on a vast stage, in brilliant illumination, before a huge screen THINK FOR THEM. Now, you would

Re: [FRIAM] Googlezon and phonotactics

2013-02-28 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Eric, Your reference to EPIC2014 suggests you remember the provenance of the original spoof, which I am still hoping to find. But I got nothing when I googled epic2014. Do you remember it? Nobody else has confessed to having seen it, yet. Can you give me more breadcrumbs? Nick From:

Re: [FRIAM] Googlezon Apology

2013-02-28 Thread Nicholas Thompson
of it is as good as I remember the original film, but I am sure it is in there somewhere, and now I can hunt it down. So that question wasn’t a Naïve Question; it was just a stupid one, and I apologize for it. Nick From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

2013-02-27 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to Amazoogle, I suppose). I know it’s on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it. Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

2013-02-27 Thread Nicholas Thompson
27, 2013 8:31 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it. Use Google. On Feb 27, 2013 8:24 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net

Re: [FRIAM] The Blog I just sent you

2013-02-10 Thread Nicholas Thompson
: Friam [mailto:friam- mailto:boun...@redfish.com boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 8:43 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Blog I just sent you Arlo, Something about the asteroid passing

[FRIAM] The Blog I just sent you

2013-02-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Sorry - I thought I would get a chance to write an explanatory cover letter, but I was wrong. This presents itself as a Sports Blog, but it is so much more. Scan down for entries on improbable collisions, including, for example, the following. Apparrently an asteroid is passing between

Re: [FRIAM] The Blog I just sent you

2013-02-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Arlo, Something about the asteroid passing between us and our communication satellites that caught my attention. But did you also catch the series of observations on recent navy navigation errors. By the way, do you remember the alleged conversation between the ENTERPRISE and .., well,

Re: [FRIAM] The Blog I just sent you

2013-02-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I gather than tonight's asteroid was quite a lot closer. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:10 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Blog I just sent you During the offseason an asteroid

[FRIAM] WHEN IS COMPLEXITY A GOOD?

2013-02-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
All, When I first moved here, seven years ago, Owen set me down and eldered me concerning citizens like me who have no respect for threads, whereas, people like YOU, people who really are experienced with computers, see the importance of not bending threads But this is the worst gang of

Re: [FRIAM] Windows Resource Monitor

2013-02-07 Thread Nicholas Thompson
a log of all installs I do, you may start doing that .. it makes it easy to know what you may need to reinstall if you go the clean install route. And what may need removing 'cause you don't use it anymore. -- Owen On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net

Re: [FRIAM] Windows Resource Monitor

2013-02-07 Thread Nicholas Thompson
in person at the next WedTech (hint for those who are there in Santa Fe). Surely your buddies wouldn't charge you $200 for a bit of hands-on help (I'd do it for a cup of coffee :-) Gary On Feb 7, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks owen. I did lots

Re: [FRIAM] Windows Resource Monitor

2013-02-07 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi, My Dell Studio (yeah, yeah, save the Mac cracks) has been cranky of late, particularly when streaming stuff, and since I am reluctant to put out a couple of hundred dollars to have it tuned up, I have been trying

[FRIAM] IS: wHEN IS COMPLEXITY A GOOD? WAS: Windows Resource Monitor

2013-02-07 Thread Nicholas Thompson
and you'll be fat, dumb and happy! And not dumb at all. -- Owen On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi, My Dell Studio (yeah, yeah, save the Mac cracks) has been cranky of late, particularly when streaming stuff, and since I am reluctant

Re: [FRIAM] Arcane Points

2013-02-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve, I think the Rainbow is still in my attic in Massachusetts! So, when you are getting together your Museum of Computer Arcania, you can have it. There's pretty much a decade of correspondence up there on disks that nobody can read, any more. Good thing none of my students ever

[FRIAM] Windows Resource Monitor

2013-02-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hi, My Dell Studio (yeah, yeah, save the Mac cracks) has been cranky of late, particularly when streaming stuff, and since I am reluctant to put out a couple of hundred dollars to have it tuned up, I have been trying to see what I can do on my own. This has led me to the resource monitor, a

Re: [FRIAM] Windows Resource Monitor

2013-02-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, February 06, 2013 8:39 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Windows Resource Monitor How about Trojan cracks? Sounds like rich earth, ripe for tilling. Merle, what are your thoughts? On Feb 6, 2013 8:34 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net

Re: [FRIAM] Windows Resource Monitor

2013-02-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks for all your suggestions. Most I actually understood, for which I am enormously grateful. I have the habit of burying my most important question under a lot of verbal rubble, so I want to ask it again in case you missed it. Is there any guide to the Resource Monitor that is more

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking Evil

2013-02-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I think the essence of evil is not owning up to error. Evil is craven. From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 4:04 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Rethinking Evil Since

Re: [FRIAM] Arcane Points

2013-02-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
How about A.P.'s for a word processor called Samna running on cpm on a computer called a Rainbow? Had some features that Word has yet to introduce. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:40 PM To: The Friday

Re: [FRIAM] Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks, Owen. I fooled around with the problem a bit more yesterday and immediately encountered a problem I hadn't expected. It was easy to collect all the emails from one them in one place, but NOT easy to get an email, with it's headers, into text. Apparently in email (unlike in the

Re: [FRIAM] Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Right, Owen. I will try to mock it up. But perhaps not immediately. My thought was to take one of the recent FRIAM orgies and organize it by hand as I think it should be when it has been processed by the program I hope to invent for myself (stifled laughter in the background). Somebody has

Re: [FRIAM] WAS:: Cliques, public, private. IS: Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
can discuss issues on a mailing list via email, and support web access to the discussions as well. All of these systems and applications turn email discussions into readable text. Jochen Am 19.01.2013 18:35, schrieb Nicholas Thompson: EVERYBODY, This material is way too good to be packed down

Re: [FRIAM] Academics and other Stereotypes

2013-01-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Well, Marcus, I certainly agree that bad academics can be very bad. I saw my brother destroyed by his mentor at a Big Eastern University. I share your distaste for the Cult Of The Individual. Ted Talks Make Me Puke. What about good academics? Or is that an oxymoron? What would Good

[FRIAM] WAS:: Cliques, public, private. IS: Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
EVERYBODY, This material is way too good to be packed down into the midden of old email. SO! Once again, I am going to ask this group a question I have asked before: how can we develop conventions (or write a software program) that will turn email correspondence into readable text. The three

Re: [FRIAM] WAS:: Cliques, public, private. IS: Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
at 10:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: EVERYBODY, This material is way too good to be packed down into the midden of old email. SO! Once again, I am going to ask this group a question I have asked before: how can we develop conventions (or write a software program

Re: [FRIAM] WAS:: Cliques, public, private. IS: Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WAS:: Cliques, public, private. IS: Preserving email correspondence On 1/19/13 10:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: This material is way too good to be packed down into the midden of old email. I know someone who is a good programmer. He's generally better

Re: [FRIAM] Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I don't think I ever said, why cant we just Did I? I had forgotten about noodles. I can't even remember how it worked. Or where it is. N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 12:23 PM To:

Re: [FRIAM] WAS:: Cliques, public, private. IS: Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 2:22 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WAS:: Cliques, public, private. IS: Preserving email correspondence On 1/19/13 12:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Two

Re: [FRIAM] Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Nick's problem. -- rec -- On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: I don't think I ever said, why cant we just Did I? I had forgotten about noodles. I can't even remember how it worked. Or where it is. N -Original Message- From

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
NIPR reminder) On Jan 16, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Raymond, I guess I am a behaviorist about shame. If my behavior makes me blush than it was shameful. Guilt, on the other hand is something the law determines. Just my way of talking, I guess. But why do

Re: [FRIAM] It looks like this will be a daily event for a while

2013-01-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Doug, My experience with Google is that because so much of their stuff is given away, their Do No Evil has metamorphosed into How could we possibly do evil? we're such nice people! I don't get the feeling they are embarrassed when one of their apps turns out to be crap. But I am not a Beta

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR reminder) JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder) On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Sorry. I wasn't asking whether we lie or not. Or even whether it eases some social situations. I was asking for a theory of why lying

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Professor of Psychology Penn State, Altoona _ From: Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:45:52 PM Subject: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data Dear all, We had

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Marcus, Have a look in the new New Yorker about the article on the new civil commitment laws re sexual deviants. I can both not want these folks living down the block AND be horrified by what We The People are doing to them. It is the luxury of liberalism to be ambivalent. It's

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
his phone number to arrange a gig. Talk about feeling conflicted. --Doug On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Marcus, Have a look in the new New Yorker about the article on the new civil commitment laws re sexual deviants. I

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
to accuse someone of being a peeping Tom just because they saw you naked. Eric Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State, Altoona _ From: Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Velvet to my reading list. --Doug On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Marcus G. Daniels mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote: Doug wrote: I recently accidentally discovered that a musician friend of mine was a registered sex offender of little girls. On 1/16/13 10:58 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:52 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data On 1/16/13 3:56 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Makes me grumpy. Poor you. It is not surprising that criminals, deviants

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Raymond, Or we could just use the London Security Camera system, right? N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Parks, Raymond Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 5:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL]

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
. --Doug On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: So, you see no problem there? There are good people and bad people. You can tell from the B tattooed on their wrist? So, lets us good people screw the bad people and get on with it. What if one

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, January 16, 2013 7:03 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data On 1/16/13 5:47 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: So, you see no problem there? There are good people and bad people. You can tell from the B tattooed on their wrist? So, lets us good people screw

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
crime they are perpetrating with the information? Eric Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State, Altoona _ From: Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, January

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks, Marcus for this clarification. I should have looked it up myself. So I guess I CAN shadow you, just so long as I do it with effusive reassurances of my good will. I imagine myself telling the police officer, I so admire Marcus. I want to know EVERYTHING about him. I want to BE

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
on the lounger. From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:46 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data On 1/16/13 9:59 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Where is it you said you live

Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Wait a minute, Marcus. Why would those behaviors be stalking, absent any intent to communicate a threat!? At the gym and I see a particular person from work over and over. I go for a walk and I see them at St. Johns. He is following me! Or am I following him

[FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Dear all, We had a discussion last Friday at Friam that I would like to see continued here. Many of us had seen a recent talk in which somebody was using satellite imagery to track an individual through his day. The resolution of such imagery is now down to 20 cm, and that is before

[FRIAM] We meet at St. Johns

2013-01-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Everybody, Nobody acknowledged my earlier message and Frank did not get it, so I am sending it again. Hope to see you all, soon. Yes, even you Australians. Nick From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 5:57 PM To: fr

[FRIAM] The Time for Rational Paranoia is NOW.

2013-01-02 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Dear Friammers and Kitcheners, These websites caught my attention, and I think they ought to catch yours. http://www. http://www.dsac.gov/Pages/index.aspx dsac.gov/Pages/index.aspx http://www. http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/fbi-files-ows.html

[FRIAM] This Friday AM

2012-12-27 Thread Nicholas Thompson
St. Johns is evidently closed. So. Does anybody have a plan for tomorrow? What about Steve's new Coffee House? NIck Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org

Re: [FRIAM] This Friday AM

2012-12-27 Thread Nicholas Thompson
office: 505-995-0206 tollfree: 888-414-3855 mobile: 505-577-5828 tw: @redfishgroup skype: redfishgroup redfish.com http://redfish.com/ | simtable.com http://simtable.com/ On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: St. Johns is evidently

Re: [FRIAM] This Friday AM

2012-12-27 Thread Nicholas Thompson
office: 505-995-0206 tollfree: 888-414-3855 mobile: 505-577-5828 tw: @redfishgroup skype: redfishgroup redfish.com http://redfish.com/ | simtable.com http://simtable.com/ On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: St. Johns is evidently closed

Re: [FRIAM] Winter Solstice Sunrise

2012-12-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
FWIW My favorite seasonal marker is December 7, when the AFTERNOONS start getting longer. The MORNINGS don't start getting longer until January 4th or so. On December 21 ... the solstice the mornings start getting longer faster than the afternoons continue to get shorter. Since I am

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
-Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:08 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:56:44PM -0700, Nicholas

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
So, Marcus. You would make no changes in things as they are? Note that both Australia and Scotland have made changes in gun deaths recently by making changes in gun laws. N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
things. My apologies. Nick -Original Message- From: lrudo...@black.clarku.edu [mailto:lrudo...@black.clarku.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:01 AM To: Nicholas Thompson; friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings Nick: So, Marcus. You would make no changes

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Lee, Your response is self-contradictory. Hating values IS a value.And besides, I know you are full of the damned things. (values). N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of lrudo...@black.clarku.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:44 AM

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