Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 1/8/03 2:48 PM, "R. Hannes Niedner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have not heard someone complaining about the missing digital audio > in/output? Did Apple had a courtesy contract with Griffin and others or is > this no issue (can this be done via firewire ore USB without additional > device t

Re: The 17" PowerBook

Re; thanks also,my new powerbook is still ported out the back,I-books are on the side >> >>> What's the brand? It would have to snake around from a USB port on the >>> back of my Pismo. I can't believe they used to put ports on the back >>> of >>> laptops! >> >> It's a Kensington Flylight. I ha

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Luca Rescigno wrote: >> Anyone know whether the new 17" Powerbook will boot in OS 9.2.2? >> >> N > > Nope, it's the first of the OS X-only Macs. You can still use Classic > mode and you can still boot from an OS 9 CD (I think) but no OS 9 > booting fro

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 12:26 PM, Nick wrote: Anyone know whether the new 17" Powerbook will boot in OS 9.2.2? I think Jobs said, "no way, José" (paraphrasing.) dave -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | R

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> Anyone know whether the new 17" Powerbook will boot in OS 9.2.2? > > N Nope, it's the first of the OS X-only Macs. You can still use Classic mode and you can still boot from an OS 9 CD (I think) but no OS 9 booting from the HD. -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Sma

Re: The 17" PowerBook

Thanks, I'll check it out. Jim On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 01:00 PM, Obi-Wan wrote: > On 1/10/03 8:56 AM, "Jim Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the > Cybertrough: > >> What's the brand? It would have to snake around from a USB port on the >> back of my Pismo. I can't believe they used

Re: The 17" PowerBook

Anyone know whether the new 17" Powerbook will boot in OS 9.2.2? N -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low En

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote: > name some. name a phone that's USB2 (hint: they're going to BlueTooth, > not USB2). Name a PDA that is USB2. Name some USB2 speakers. USB audio > doesn't anywhere NEAR saturate a USB 1.1 bus, so bumping speakers to > USB2 would be pointless. name a USB2 c

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 1/10/03 10:09 AM, "Anthony Vo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough: > > >> I know for a fact that there are some MP3 players that have USB2 >> connections. One of my coworkers has one and loves it. > > < there are *other* MP3 players out there besides the iPod??? ;-)>> > > I thi

Re: The 17" PowerBook

> I know for a fact that there are some MP3 players that have USB2 > connections. One of my coworkers has one and loves it. <> I think what he meant : MP3 players're manafactured by 3rd party (not by Apple). -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electroni

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 1/10/03 8:56 AM, "Jim Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough: > What's the brand? It would have to snake around from a USB port on the > back of my Pismo. I can't believe they used to put ports on the back of > laptops! It's a Kensington Flylight. I have one. I plug it into th

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 1/10/03 8:19 AM, "Phillip Burk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough: > I know for a fact that there are some MP3 players that have USB2 > connections. One of my coworkers has one and loves it. Not true. The iPod doesn't have a USB 2 connection. Are you saying that there are *othe

Re: The 17" PowerBook

on 1/10/03 10:01 AM, Stephen Bright at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> There is no way I'll be able to afford the 17" > > If you can wait 2 years, you will be able to purchase it used (but, mint > condition) for about $1000. And it will be a low end mac. > Stephen > It will take longer than that for

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I think that Kensington sells one. They have them and fans at CompUSA and bestbuy. > -Original Message- > From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of Jim Freeman > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:57 AM > To: G-Books > Subject: Re: The 17" PowerBook &

Re: The 17" PowerBook

What's the brand? It would have to snake around from a USB port on the back of my Pismo. I can't believe they used to put ports on the back of laptops! Jim On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 10:15 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: > Have you checked out the USB (sorry, don't think they come in Firewire)

Re: The 17" PowerBook

USB 1.x and 2.0 have a major disfunction that FireWire does not they are not peer to peer technologies, USB requires processor resources where as FW devices can talk directly to each other. USB is great for keyboards and printers but it is not the highend transfer technology that FW is nor will

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 09:56 AM, Jeremy Derr wrote: > USB2 has become a standard in PC computers. It has yet to really come > to play in actual peripherals. Like I said start naming some. > About the only decent USB2-only device I've seen would be some of > Iomega's newer drives. E

Re: The 17" PowerBook

> There is no way I'll be able to afford the 17" If you can wait 2 years, you will be able to purchase it used (but, mint condition) for about $1000. And it will be a low end mac. Stephen -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.co

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On Thursday, January 09, 2003, at 11:31AM, Kevin Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The statement that "most devices that have USB 2 also have Firewire" is >just wrong. Maybe y'all are looking at external drives or some other >specific segment. Card readers, scanners, speakers, phones, PDAs, t

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Thursday, Jan 9, 2003, at 19:08 US/Pacific, Jim Freeman wrote: > There is no way I'll be able to afford the 17", but that backlight > kills me. I'm always fumbling with my Pismo keyboard in the dark. I > share a room with a sleeping baby in the evenings. I wish the 12" had > the backlight effe

Re: The 17" PowerBook

I believe Jobs said an adaptor is included. Jim On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:53 AM, David M. Ensteness wrote: > Very nice, I was hoping something like that would come out but I did > not expect it already, thanks for the note. > > David -- G-Books is sponsored by

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There is no way I'll be able to afford the 17", but that backlight kills me. I'm always fumbling with my Pismo keyboard in the dark. I share a room with a sleeping baby in the evenings. I wish the 12" had the backlight effect, and I'd get out of my Pismo right now. Jim On Wednesday, January 8,

Re: The 17" PowerBook

In a message dated 1/9/03 3:46:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << On 1/9/03 11:31 AM, "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough: > Predictably, both of the people who have grabbed the end of this towel and > started shaking are affiliated with Apple in some way. I don't giv

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Obi-Wan wrote: > On 1/9/03 11:31 AM, "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew > into the Cybertrough: > > > Predictably, both of the people who have grabbed the end of this towel and > > started shaking are affiliated with Apple in some way. I don't give a > > damn about pro

Re: The 17" PowerBook

Luca Rescigno on 1/9/03 4:59 PM wrote: > Actually, I was thinking the other day... why does anyone even use USB? > Why can't all Macs just have three or four FireWire ports and use > FireWire mice and keyboards and FireWire digital cameras and the like? > Standardizing on FireWire would be cool.

Re: The 17" PowerBook

At 14:57 -0600 8/1/03, Jeremy Derr wrote: >very few people are actually DOING digital i/o, and many in the >industry have severe reservations about going digital -- the same >problem that you see in the film industry. > >analog sound has a distinctive sound that people find familiar, >reassuring. i

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 09/01/03 16:59, "Luca Rescigno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip!] > Actually, I was thinking the other day... why does anyone even use USB? > Why can't all Macs just have three or four FireWire ports and use > FireWire mice and keyboards and FireWire digital cameras and the like? > Standardizin

Re: The 17" PowerBook

> I liked it so much that > I now have a second drive (20GB this time) installed in an identical > FireWire enclosure. Which enclosure would that be? Stephen -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | --

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Kevin Stevens on 1/9/03 2:31 PM wrote: > Yes, some of them are available in *either* USB 2 or Firewire. That > doesn't really help me, because I'm talking about a portable computer. > I'm going to take it into the field, and I'm going to run into peripherals > that I can't use. Guaranteed. It's

Re: The 17" PowerBook

> I'm not affiliated with Apple in any way, and I don't give a rats *ss > about > USB 2. The PC world can *keep* it as far as I am concerned. I do not > and > can't forsee any reason I would need it.Unless Keyboards and Mice > start > coming in USB 2 *only* I will never need or use USB 2.

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 1/9/03 11:31 AM, "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough: > Predictably, both of the people who have grabbed the end of this towel and > started shaking are affiliated with Apple in some way. I don't give a > damn about promoting Firewire *or* USB. I'm just a user who is

Re: The 17" PowerBook

Kevin Stevens wrote: > Again, this is shaking down across political lines. Apple promotes > Firewire, and downplays USB (Not Invented Here). The PC market has > preferred USB in the past, though my latest couple of PCs have come with > both Firewire and USB (2). ROFL!!! USB did not take off in

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 1/8/03 1:00:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << I also really wish they'd included USB 2.0. To be the best "digital > hub", you need to drop the politics sometimes and get with what the > rest of the world is doing. > >> >

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Eugene Lee wrote: > On the contrary, the improvement between Firewire 400 and Firewire 800 > is signficant precisely because data size increases as the resolution of > digital cameras improves and as JPEG quality is reduced (or not used at > all and the raw data is transferred)

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 03:06 PM, Luca Rescigno wrote: > That's a great point. Some people are very forward-thinking, perhaps > too much so, and they're always saying how CD audio is perfect and > everything else is measured against it. But others set the benchmark at > vinyl records, c

Re: The 17" PowerBook

In a message dated 1/8/03 1:00:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I also really wish they'd included USB 2.0. To be the best "digital hub", you need to drop the politics sometimes and get with what the rest of the world is doing. >> You're kidding, right? This is not an across-the-board sta

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 12:25:50PM -0800, Kevin Stevens wrote: : : On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote: : > : > A recent : > visit to Fry's proved this of all their decent USB 2 devices, every : > one of them had FireWire too. : : That's simply not true. The digital camera market is very f

Re: The 17" PowerBook

> I don't know what exact access we have here, at Fannie Mae, but I > routinely > get transfers of 300/400 Kbps and sometimes in the 500-600 range. > > -Laurent. I have high-speed access at my dorm as well. I usually get around 300 kilobytes per second if I'm on a good server, 500-600 on really

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 06:26 PM, Obrecht, Jerry A wrote: > The Big AlBook (17") also sports a faster buss...167MHz, per one of > the Mac info sites. What I am wondering is, which model of the G4 > processor is in it? As in, can it communicate with the main memory at > DDR rate, or

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 1/8/03 5:27 PM, "Justin Ancheta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough: > > And one little question: will Macs using old Airport cards be able to > connect to Airport Extreme networks? I thought I read somewhere that > 802.11g was backwards compatible with 802.11b, but I don't remember

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:33 AM, Mark wrote: > The gee-wiz factor is killing me. After watching the PowerBook intro > movie, > I'm even more amazed at what > Apple > has done. What surprises me is that people aren't talking about the fact that

Re: The 17" PowerBook

>The gee-wiz factor is killing me. After watching the PowerBook intro movie, > I'm even more amazed at what Apple >has done. > >Along with FireWire 800 (double the speed of the original FireWire) they've >added AirPort Extreme (http://www.apple.com/airport/> f

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 08/01/03 17:16, "Bruce Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> many (if not most) internet SERVERS won't even handle 150KB/s >> transfers. I'm sitting on a 1.5Mbps T1 line right now. I don't get >> anything like a "standard" 150KB/s. Nor have I on any other T1 or T3 >> I've ever been privvy to u

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On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 05:16 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > I'd do a traceroute netween you and your web server...you might find > you're being routed through Sheboygan or something ;-) > > How do you do this? If I'm in Albany, NY wouldn't I be routed via Buffalo? I have a cable connec

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> digital vs. analog is an argument about the source of the sound. There is another digital vs. analog argument about the best way to record acoustic instruments. Some will use tape to 'warm' a sound and then proceed from there digitally. Some will record and mix 100% analog. A modern recording fa

Re: The 17" PowerBook

Jeremy Derr wrote: > On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 03:23 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: > > >>>similarly, your 784kbps (or worse) Cable or DSL connection isn't going >>>to be saturated by a single computer, regardless of your browsing >>>habits). >> >>Not true. My DSL connection is capped at 1.2 M

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jeff Drummond wrote: > >except that the rest of the world isn't doing USB 2. and those devices > >that ARE USB 2, almost all still have FireWire ports on them. A recent > >visit to Fry's proved this of all their decent USB 2 devices, every > >one of them had FireWire too. >

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On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 03:31 PM, Stephen Bright wrote: >> in the end analog is really the only way to do audio. > > Surely you do not mean 100% analog, but rather the use of analog tape > somewhere in the production path. not tape, no. but other analog sources. an analog guita

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote: > On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 03:23 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: > > >> similarly, your 784kbps (or worse) Cable or DSL connection isn't going > >> to be saturated by a single computer, regardless of your browsing > >> habits). > > > > Not true. My DSL con

Re: The 17" PowerBook

Jeremy Derr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote: > >> I also really wish they'd included USB 2.0. To be the best "digital >> hub", you need to drop the politics sometimes and get with what the >> rest of the world is doing. > >except that th

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 03:23 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: >> similarly, your 784kbps (or worse) Cable or DSL connection isn't going >> to be saturated by a single computer, regardless of your browsing >> habits). > > Not true. My DSL connection is capped at 1.2 Mb, and I am therefore > lim

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 03:02 PM, Luca Rescigno wrote: >> IIRC, the eMac does -not- have the Pro Speaker jack. >> >> indicates that the speaker jack is Analog >> Output. > > Ah. Because it has built in pro speakers. > > I do remember it having two audio ports

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> in the end analog is really the only way to do audio. Surely you do not mean 100% analog, but rather the use of analog tape somewhere in the production path. Stephen -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurb

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Maybe I should have used the optical instead of digital which I think is still the superior way to connect components of your high end home stereo. I know a some people that spend quite some money for extension cards (PC and Mac) to just get this capability. On the other hand side I did not intent

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On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote: > On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 02:25 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: > > Virtually all Digital Camcorders out right now are Firewire. I can't > name one that isn't, off the top of my head. Agreed. > Virtually all Digital Still Cameras out right now are USB. S

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> analog sound has a distinctive sound that people find familiar, > reassuring. in the film industry, people are just darn used to film. so > what if digital video is cleaner, allows the filmers to do more Cool > Stuff(tm)? If it doesn't look like film, some people just don't want to > see it. The

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> IIRC, the eMac does -not- have the Pro Speaker jack. > > indicates that the speaker jack is Analog > Output. Ah. Because it has built in pro speakers. I do remember it having two audio ports though. It actually has a 3.5mm audio out and a 3.5 mm audio in. The iMac

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 02:53 PM, Luca Rescigno wrote: > Digital audio output is only on iMacs, eMacs and PowerMacs, in the form > of the 2.5 mm Pro Speaker jack. IIRC, the eMac does -not- have the Pro Speaker jack. indicates that the speaker jack is Analog

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 02:48 PM, R. Hannes Niedner wrote: > I have not heard someone complaining about the missing digital audio > in/output? Did Apple had a courtesy contract with Griffin and others > or is > this no issue (can this be done via firewire ore USB without additional > de

Re: The 17" PowerBook

> I have not heard someone complaining about the missing digital audio > in/output? Did Apple had a courtesy contract with Griffin and others > or is > this no issue (can this be done via firewire ore USB without additional > device these days)? I don't think any Macs have had digital input, it's

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I have not heard someone complaining about the missing digital audio in/output? Did Apple had a courtesy contract with Griffin and others or is this no issue (can this be done via firewire ore USB without additional device these days)? /h -- G-Books is sponsored by and..

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On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 02:25 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: > That's simply not true. The digital camera market is very fragmented > between USB 2 and Firewire, and they typically only have one of the > two. > As pixel sizes become larger it becomes even more of an issue. Card > readers o

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote: > On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote: > > > I also really wish they'd included USB 2.0. To be the best "digital > > hub", you need to drop the politics sometimes and get with what the > > rest of the world is doing. > > except

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote: > I also really wish they'd included USB 2.0. To be the best "digital > hub", you need to drop the politics sometimes and get with what the > rest of the world is doing. except that the rest of the world isn't doing USB 2. and thos

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 08/01/03 13:34, "Jeff Drummond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> The gee-wiz factor is killing me. After watching the PowerBook intro movie, >> I'm even more amazed at what Apple >> has done. >> >> Along with FireWire 8

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 09:40 AM, David M. Ensteness wrote: > The only thing that bothers me is that FireWire 800 is not the same > connector as FireWire 400. That will make adoption harder on people. I > am happy that they included both types on the new 17" though. It comes with an ada

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Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >The gee-wiz factor is killing me. After watching the PowerBook intro movie, > I'm even more amazed at what Apple >has done. > >Along with FireWire 800 (double the speed of the original FireWire) they've >added AirPort Extreme

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I'm drooling! I want one! (Not that I need one! My Pismo 500 is more than adequate for what I'm doing) n on 1/8/03 11:07 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 08/01/03 10:33, "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The gee-wiz factor is killing me. After watching the PowerBook

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On 08/01/03 13:04, "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 08:07 US/Pacific, Laurent Daudelin wrote: > >> I know what you mean ;-) >> >> I haven't been dreaming about any Macintosh since a few years now, >> with a >> B&W updated with a 500 MHz G4 and a Radeon,

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On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 08:07 US/Pacific, Laurent Daudelin wrote: > I know what you mean ;-) > > I haven't been dreaming about any Macintosh since a few years now, > with a > B&W updated with a 500 MHz G4 and a Radeon, plus my Pismo. Even if both > computers are not the fastest, they fit m

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On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 07:40 US/Pacific, David M. Ensteness wrote: > The only thing that bothers me is that FireWire 800 is not the same > connector as FireWire 400. That will make adoption harder on people. I > am happy that they included both types on the new 17" though. > > David I al

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 1/8/03 7:40 AM, "David M. Ensteness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough: > The only thing that bothers me is that FireWire 800 is not the same > connector as FireWire 400. That will make adoption harder on people. I > am happy that they included both types on the new 17" though. And

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On 1/8/03 7:33 AM, "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough: > The one that made me go O-A, was the backlit keyboard (via fiber > optics) that automatically adjusts to the environment, as well as auto > adjusting the screen brightness. GEE-WIZ! Ya. That feature is something

Re: The 17" PowerBook

On 08/01/03 10:33, "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The gee-wiz factor is killing me. After watching the PowerBook intro movie, > I'm even more amazed at what Apple > has done. > > Along with FireWire 800 (double the speed of the original FireWire) they'v

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Very nice, I was hoping something like that would come out but I did not expect it already, thanks for the note. David > I read in the sidebar (bottom right) > that > it's backwards compatible with the original FireWire via a cable > available > from Belkin. >

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David M. Ensteness on 1/8/03 10:40 AM wrote: > The only thing that bothers me is that FireWire 800 is not the same > connector as FireWire 400. That will make adoption harder on people. I > am happy that they included both types on the new 17" though. > I read in the sidebar

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The only thing that bothers me is that FireWire 800 is not the same connector as FireWire 400. That will make adoption harder on people. I am happy that they included both types on the new 17" though. David > Along with FireWire 800 (double the speed of the original FireWire) -- G-Books is sp

The 17" PowerBook

The gee-wiz factor is killing me. After watching the PowerBook intro movie, I'm even more amazed at what Apple has done. Along with FireWire 800 (double the speed of the original FireWire) they've added AirPort Extreme (http://www.apple.com/airport/> for a wi