* On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 20:00:45 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> I think you have missed the point. I am objecting to the list nazi like
> saying EVERYBODY MUST BOTTOM POST OR ELSE! attitude.
[...]
> As I said before: live and let live, dont become a list Nazi!
This is so poor. You triggered
I think you have missed the point. I am objecting to the list nazi like
saying EVERYBODY MUST BOTTOM POST OR ELSE! attitude. The way I read my
mail is the way that suits me. Fine, I am not telling you to top post,
but to trim your mail so I can read it without having to scroll down to
the bottom.
Hi,
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 02:46, Christopher Fisk wrote:
> bandwidth. Figure if you trim 10k worth of a message off it doesn't sound
> like much, but you get a mailing list with 1000 members, you have saved
> the mailing list provider 10MB worth of transfer for that one message.
"Won't somebod
Hi,
On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 00:18, Owen Gunden wrote:
> Is this reply any harder to read than yours was? For short messages,
Of course not.
> bottom posting still makes at least as much sense as top posting.
Yep, 100% agree.
It's all up to personal preference..
James
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On Tuesday 24 June 2003 16:28, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Bottom posting that are not very severely trimmed > /dev/null
>
> Please understand that bottom posting in many email readers is severely
> painful, just as the same as top posting can be in others - there's a
> reason why top posting is so
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Peter McCracken wrote:
>
> >And perhaps someone could answer why bottom-posting is
> better, anyway?
> >I'll obey it, if that's etiquette. But I would have thought
> top posts
> >were easier to read.
>
> I don't think bottom posting is the best way. In-Line
> posting i
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Peter McCracken wrote:
>And perhaps someone could answer why bottom-posting is better, anyway?
>I'll obey it, if that's etiquette. But I would have thought top posts
>were easier to read.
I don't think bottom posting is the best way. In-Line posting is most
often mentione
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
>Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was top-posting.
>While I have harrassed the online community a lot with my top posted
>mails, I am trying to change that, is there any guidelines available for
>this? Sometimes I feel that if my me
Bottom posting that are not very severely trimmed > /dev/null
Please understand that bottom posting in many email readers is severely
painful, just as the same as top posting can be in others - there's a
reason why top posting is so popular!
This comes up regularly, and if memory serves me corre
i personally use procmail to filter on the "List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail " filter int he header to another mailbox, then i use evolution at my mail client (or out look or whatever since my mail is filtered server side, it makes it really easy to use any of my machines to access my e-mail with an
Frank Tegtmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dhruba Bandopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> However, what good threaded email clients are there?
>
> Gnus (running in Xemacs).
Likewise for GNU Emacs users, Gnus is distributed with Emacs. In
portage there is also app-emacs/ognus which is Oo
Dhruba Bandopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello
>
> There has been much talk of using threaded email clients to read the
> high traffic gentoo mailing lists and also much agitation as a result
> of users breaking the threading by replying to existing messages to
Gnus w/ Emacs of course!
-- quoting Dhruba Bandopadhyay --
> General email guidelines:
[snip]
> -- Use sigdashes (--) before your signature.
little correction here: it has to be a "-- " (with space at the end!)
for the sig...
--
Mmm ... fresh batch of American balls
- Homer Simpson
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-- quoting Jens Mayer --
> * On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 20:38:26 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > SpamAssasin is the only non-Bayesian spam filter to consider).
>
> Recent versions of SpamAssassin in fact do have Bayesian filters
> implemented which can be easily (auto)trained. I'm
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 06:57:14AM -0600, Mike Roest wrote:
> Yes but mutt doesn't cache headers for IMAP accounts so if you plan to
> leave the list messages in the account (as I do my gentoo-user account
> has 26000 messages in it) mutt takes inordinate amounts of time to
> startup as it has to
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:09:30 +0100
Dhruba Bandopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> > Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was
> > top-posting. While I have harrassed the online community a lot with
> > my top posted mails, I am trying to change that, is the
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 05:12:13PM +0930, James McArthur wrote:
> Depends if you're writing a reply like this one I guess :) For such a
> short reply, it's fairly plain to see where my email ends, and where the
> original text starts, even with fancy quote highlighting and such.
>
> Like everythin
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:21:44PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You might want to at least try the following ...
Sounds like maybe I should.
> UW stores things in old-style mbox files ("From " separated mail in a
> single file -- but with an adjunct database of indexes into the file to
> spe
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 05:09:16PM +0930, James McArthur wrote:
> Not so much etiquette, more 'mob-rules'. I prefer top-posting since it
> means I can see, at a glance, everything some one has written. Don't
> need to search through a mail to find what someone wants to say.
First of all, for anyth
Dhruba Bandopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> However, what good threaded email clients are there?
Gnus (running in Xemacs).
Gnus is basically a newsreader that is designed to handle large
amounts of messages very well. Mail is handled through the included
storage backend systems.
Gnus is h
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| mutt has imap support. for example i can do:
| start mutt,
| press 'c' (open mailbox), and enter:
| imaps://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:gentoo
| and i get the mails
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Yes but mutt doesn't cache headers for IMAP accounts so if you plan to
leave
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 03:02, Florian Huber wrote:
> Hello Dhruba,
>
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:48:52 +0100
> Dhruba Bandopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> > I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and fast
> > threaded email client I have found with good IMAP support. W
On Monday 23 June 2003 22:34, Chris I wrote:
> On 2003.06.23 22:09, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> > General email guidelines:
> >
> > -- Forward emails as attachment and not as inline text.
>
> Why as an attatchment? I usually either bounce mail if it needs to be
> redirected, or forward inline for
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 01:48, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates information
> overload. However, what good threaded email clients are there? So far
> I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and fast
> threaded email client
try Sylpheed is very lightweight-fast(gtk based), threaded mail client..
ctrl+T - to switch between threeaded/non-threaded view...
I liked the evolution too, but it is too heavy, probably better for Outlook ppl :")
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Hi,
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 12:01, Marshal Newrock wrote:
> The discussion of top vs bottom posting also usually doesn't mention
> interspersed, which is frequently the most appropriate. If you ask 10
> questions, I will usually answer each one in turn, rather than all at the
> top or bottom of the
Hi,
Depends if you're writing a reply like this one I guess :) For such a
short reply, it's fairly plain to see where my email ends, and where the
original text starts, even with fancy quote highlighting and such.
Like everything else, there is a time and place for both styles.
James
On Tue, 20
Hi,
Not so much etiquette, more 'mob-rules'. I prefer top-posting since it
means I can see, at a glance, everything some one has written. Don't
need to search through a mail to find what someone wants to say.
If I get kill-filed because of how I write, instead of what I write,
then I'll chuckle :
Hi,
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 10:18, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates information
> overload. However, what good threaded email clients are there? So far
> I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and fast
> threaded email c
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:02:15AM -0400, Owen Gunden wrote:
> I /insist/ that they be stored in a sensible way in the
> filesystem for mutt users, and my definition of sensible doesn't include
> Courier's dot-heirarchy maildirs :).
Hmmm...
You might want to at least try the follow
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:42:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I was already suspicious that UW-IMAP could do what I wanted it to do, and
> > now I'm even more suspicious that it will at least come close.
>
> UW is excellent for home use, but it has scaling/performance issues for heavy
>
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 01:31:51AM -0400, Owen Gunden wrote:
> Thank you ever so much for the explanation!
Your welcome.
I used to work for Mirapoint explaining IMAP for a living :-)
> I was already suspicious that UW-IMAP could do what I wanted it to do, and
> now I'm even more suspicious
On 2003.06.23 20:48, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates information
overload. However, what good threaded email clients are there? So
far I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and
fast threaded email client I have found wi
On 2003.06.23 22:09, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
General email guidelines:
-- Forward emails as attachment and not as inline text.
Why as an attatchment? I usually either bounce mail if it needs to be
redirected, or forward inline for ease of reading. Some mail clients
make it a pain to view atta
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:07:26PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [...]
>
> That's just a preface, though. There are basically two "flavors" of
> IMAP -- UW (University of Washington -- home of Mark Crispin, the author
> of RFC2060 and pretty much the father of IMAP) and Cyrus (from Carnegie
>
On 2003.06.23 23:45, Jens Mayer wrote:
* On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 20:38:26 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> SpamAssasin is the only non-Bayesian spam filter to consider).
Recent versions of SpamAssassin in fact do have Bayesian filters
implemented which can be easily (auto)trained. I'm using such a
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 12:05:19AM -0400, Owen Gunden wrote:
> I'm using mutt with maildirs, but I can't get courier-imap to understand my
> folders because they're not named INBOX.whatever (and I don't want them to
> be!). I would like them to be layed out as
>
> ~/Mail/INBOX/
> ~/Mail/folder1/
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 08:15:18PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Fortunately I now maintain my own mail server and explicitly switched to
> courier-imap because it (only) groks maildirs. I access the maildirs
> directly from mutt sessions rather than using IMAP. Mutt still scans
> all umpteen
* On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 20:38:26 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> SpamAssasin is the only non-Bayesian spam filter to consider).
Recent versions of SpamAssassin in fact do have Bayesian filters
implemented which can be easily (auto)trained. I'm using such a
setup with SpamAssassin 2.55 at the
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:26:34PM -0500, Richard Kilgore wrote:
> Also, though, there is that new SPAM killer POP-3 client
> that learns from you what is SPAM and what is not. I forget what
> it's called.
I currently use bogofilter -- it does a pretty good job of eliminating spam.
SpamBaye
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 08:15:18PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:12:26PM -0400, A. Craig West wrote:
>
> > The recommended method replying is actually not strict bottom-posting. It is
> > EDITED bottom posting, where you only keep enough of the previous message to
>
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:12:26PM -0400, A. Craig West wrote:
> The recommended method replying is actually not strict bottom-posting. It is
> EDITED bottom posting, where you only keep enough of the previous message to
> keep the context obvious.
One of the nicer features of mutt is its abilit
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Peter McCracken wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 21:09, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> >
> > Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was top-posting.
> > While I have harrassed the online community a lot with my top posted
> > mails, I am trying to change that, is there an
Peter McCracken wrote:
And perhaps someone could answer why bottom-posting is better, anyway?
I'll obey it, if that's etiquette. But I would have thought top posts
were easier to read.
It is not the message itself that is important but the context in which
it is being written. Providing a relev
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Peter McCracken wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 21:09, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> > Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was top-posting.
> > While I have harrassed the online community a lot with my top posted
> > mails, I am trying to change that, is there any g
Spundun Bhatt wrote:
Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was top-posting.
While I have harrassed the online community a lot with my top posted
mails, I am trying to change that, is there any guidelines available for
this? Sometimes I feel that if my message is starting on the s
On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 21:09, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote
>
> > Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates information
> > overload. However, what good threaded email clients are there? So
> > far I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent an
Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote
Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates information
overload. However, what good threaded email clients are there? So
far I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and
fast threaded email client I have found with good IMAP suppor
Hello Dhruba,
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:48:52 +0100
Dhruba Bandopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and fast
> threaded email client I have found with good IMAP support. What do
> you use?
...
I'm using sylpheed-claws (imap4 supported
Hello
There has been much talk of using threaded email clients to read the
high traffic gentoo mailing lists and also much agitation as a result of
users breaking the threading by replying to existing messages to create
new messages.
Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates in
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