--- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> First there was God,
> Then there were mice,
> Distortions, propagation of falsehood and lies.
> All this is, about as interesting as
> A day in the life of a fruit-fly.
>
Hi Selma,
Your point is well taken. But ironically, fruit flies
hav
These two sentences signal the death of the cancer
thread as far as I am concerned. I think Gilbert is a
good man and a high quality radiation oncologist.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Another link by a neuroscientist who is 'way over
> his head' on what he
--- Valmiki Faleiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Human avarice kneweth no wrath of God. Even among
> those who spread theword of God, men in cassocks.
And >lay descendants of illustrious ancestries of men
of >God. Scandal by the religious was not reported in
>newspapers those days. It travelled
Selma makes good points in the post appended below.
The best American universities impart a much more well
rounded education than Indian ones. And in
intellectual abilities and other skills the best and
the brightest in both countries are on average equal.
The apparent disproportionality of the mat
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--- Kevin Saldanha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Now if just half the people on this forum would
>actually READ both those links... I know they're a
>little long but well worth the effort ... they could
>actually start understanding the mood in
predominantly
>Hindu India.
>
The predominantly Hi
It is interesting how people who plagiarize on Goanet
provide the same justification for their shameful act
each time. Another plagiarist had also claimed in the
past that lifting entire posts or paragraphs verbatim
from the net was just like using English words from
the Oxford dictionary. What's m
--- Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media -
Goa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>As it is known, beginning 24 th December, 2007, there
>have been unprovoked and serious communal
>disturbances in that district, resulting in the
>burning or destruction of about four hundred
Christian
>homes, n
Nelson Ferrao has a Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Nelson_Ferrao/530408902
Please ask your children to log in and find out who he
is.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- anil desai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I admit I am new to Goanet. Sill, I am worried about
> this fantastic pr
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Pardon me for displaying my ignorance on his issue.
>
> Both posts below claim of an "original attack". But
> neither said who did the "original attack". The link
> provided by Santosh to the story in The Telegraph
> does not claim who "orchestr
George,
This is an obvious dangerous manipulation of the facts
by the other political side in this mess. That is why
it is doubly important for responsible organizations
to report the facts on all sides rather than promote a
partisan agenda. It is a pity therefore that the
religious entity in Goa
--- Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>The "attack on the swami" version of events is
>disputed. Even assuming that the anti-Christian
>violence has been "retaliatory" in nature, its sheer
>scale is reminiscent of Gujarat violence of
>2002 in "retaliation" for Godhra. There is a report
--- Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Asking Catholics to pray for catholics and hindus to
>pray for hindus is hardly the best way to go about
it. >The wrongs have to be either corrected or
forgiven or >both. Otherwise there can be no lasting
peace.
>
>Religious leaders following the
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes we have to be mindful of the 'who started it
> first' synrdome, we have to also be mindful of the
>reaction by the persecuted minority; more than ever
we >should be mindful of the precooked up excuses, to
go >on a spree - retaliation - let's burn
--- Vinay Natekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Let us see the other side of truth regarding
voilence >in Orrissa Vinay
>
> Facts on Clashes among Christian Missionaries and
> the Tribals in Kandhamal District of Orissa
>
> Ashok Sahu, IPS (Retd.),
> Former Ispector General of Police.
>
Lik
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Chacha and Mervyn,
I think his email account has been hacked by students
who failed the IIT entrance exam.
Cheers,
Santosh
Alfred de Tavares wrote:
>
> An urban legend in the making, Santosh!
> Are we being HAD?
>
--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alfred,
> IMHO, this is the seco
--- Alfred de Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> In this case how I long for the lost Dottore ad
> infinituum, Leo Rebelo
> & his nobel laureacies ...
>
Chacha,
Leo is very close to winning the Nobel prize. He just
received the 2007 Karmaveer Puraskar for Social
Justice and Action.
Cheer
--- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear Dr.Santosh Helekar,
> Thanks for your reminder that as a scientist you do
> not need any "supernatural" explanation.
> You go by your scientific conviction. Natural
> science will work within its realm of e
--- Nasci Caldeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If one really looks properly, one cannot help but
> notice that almost all 'Good Things' in India are
> foreign and that too from the West and Christian?
> West? I bet we can't deny that.
>
The best thing about India and Indians is that the
majori
I have always respected Swami Vivekananda's wisdom,
although I was never convinced by his allegorical
justifications of his religious convictions. But he
was in many respects a very pragmatic man, and knew
very well the limits of all airy metaphysical and
spiritual treatments. That is what I found
Quite predictably, my post elicited another bout of
religious chauvinism on Goanet. It is unfortunate that
this form of prejudice is still so rampant among
educated people in secular countries.
Swami Vivekananda was not a chauvinist. He taught that
all religions and belief systems were of equal v
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--- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> With great regret I inform you that Lino died on
> January 24, 2008.
>
It is very sad to hear this. I had hoped some day I
would meet this wonderful man whom I had known only in
cyberspace. I always loved the fact that on the rare
occasion that I p
--- "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ps: Sometimes ...the streams are murkier than they
> appear to be.
>
Dear Josebab,
Perhaps, you are as stunned as I am to know that a
faithless skeptic such as Kevin is taking a leap of
faith into this murky stream. I am waiting to find out
f
Frederick wrote:
>
>Healthy in what sense? If I get the mental
>satisfaction of doing the right thing, who is the god
>called Science to dictate and tell me that I'm doing
>the wrong thing? Even if my decision is faulty,
>inefficient and wrong, don't I have the freedom to
>decide for myself?
>
I
--- "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>3: About our famous (nearly) Nobel laureate and
>(almost nearly) President of India individual - I do
>not know why he dropped his attempt to sue us.
>
Dear Josebab,
The eternal nominee for the prize and the presidency
was certainly a conduit
--- Kevin Saldanha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I posted the link to the outcome of the lawsuit
> against Quackbusters because there are always two
>sides to every story... and the spin masters are
>getting better and better every day. Reading the two
>sites (Quackbusters and Quackpotwatch) are
These are beautiful photographs. But isn't it
nostalgia and the appreciation of our historical past
that makes us weep? I cannot help wondering how many
more tears we would have shed if Ibn Batuta in the
14th century or someone else before him had taken and
passed on to us pictures of Chandrapura,
Fr. Ivo,
In support of my contention, you have shown that the
metaphysical principles of different religions are
mutually contradictory, arbitrary and nebulous.
Furthermore, you have demonstrated that they are
essentially similar in form, but not in content, to
multifarious Egyptian and Chinese my
--- Kevin Saldanha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>It appears my near fanatical adoration of Dr. Neal
>Barnard and his recommendations to the Indian public
>to revert to vegetarianism to save their lives has
>affected "your powers of critical inquiry and
>dispassionate rational thinking"... to use y
--- "Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If Science cannot convert you, nobody can 'convert'
> you to God, because Science has become your
>Religion.
>
Dear Fr. Ivo
You are mistaken. Science does not convert anybody to
God or to any particular religion. Science is a method
to arri
On February 4th through the 7th there is going to be a
celebration of the life and work of an extraordinarily
erudite son of a legendary figure in Goan intellectual
history, the Abhimanyu of an Arjun, as someone has
said about Damodar Kosambi and his father Dharmanand.
Damodar Kosambi was a world-r
Nigel Britto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Talking about evolution too. How did the first cell
>come into existence. The theory of evolution is just
>that. A theory. It has never been proven, and it
>cannot. Darwin came up with this absurdity in the
>late 19th century, without any proof, and
>surp
Those who just happen to read posts in this and
related threads might be wondering why this discussion
is relevant here. Why am I responding to these posts
by religious folk expressing their private personal
beliefs in a secular public forum? The reason is
two-fold:
1. A proper elementary conceptu
Chinmay,
How would you distinguish between a terrorist/criminal
and a misguided patriotic or pious person?
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear george:
>
> were bhagat singh , rajguru and sukhdev animals too?
>
> regards
>
> B
Dear Chinmay,
Your definition of a misguided patriot applies much
better to many terrorists/criminals of today e.g.
suicide bombers. The fact remains that whoever these
people are they have murdered another human being.
They are criminals under secular law. The only type of
killing that law excuse
I am writing this because I was asked to send my
closing comments on this thread before closing it. All
I want to say now is this.
I see a blatant double standard in the first rejoinder
of Fr. Ivo in this thread. According to him, an
uninformed opinion of a religious person like Nigel
Britto that
Hi Teotoniobab,
Yes, such discussions are going on for a long time.
But I am sure you will agree that from a scientific
perspective the light is much brighter today. Most of
the progress that has occurred since then is because
of the discovery of new natural facts, methods and
ideas. This is true
I think Gilbert is right. The scientific views of a
religious man who does not know much about science are
worth very little. The same is true for the religious
views of a scientist who does not know much about
religion.
But in a secular forum religion and science have equal
value. Both are equall
--- Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> what part of this is exactly 'speculative' or 'based
> on ideology'
>
Hi Chinmay,
The parts of the 55 crores story that are speculative
can be determined by reading the information provided
by the Gandhi Museum and other responsible
organizations, ded
Not being a scientist, Fr. Ivo is mistaken in his
views about me as a scientist and about science. Since
he is not a scientist he is not able to recognize what
is nonsense in science. He is not able to understand
that there is no such thing as absolutizing science,
because science does not claim to
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My understanding of religion and theological /
> philosophical concepts is limited. So, I like to
> read writings on "Religion made simple".
>
Since Gilbert is not a philosopher, and because his
understanding of philosophical concepts is limited
--- Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>As far as "many" temples with nude carvings, the
>statement would give an impression that there is a
>very significant numbers of such temples. I do not
>think there is a single temple in Goa with nude
>carvings.
>
This is not true. There are at leas
Hi Gilbert,
I think you are right about some of the things you say
in the post appended below. But since you are not a
cosmologist, astrophysicist or a theoretical physicist
you are most likely not very accurate in what you say
about the predictions of Einstein's theory and the
value of mathematic
--- Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The second, and more important, is whether the
> nude/erotic paintings/carvings in Hindu temples are
> those of the Hindu gods and goddesses.
>
This issue has also been addressed earlier on Goanet.
Please see another post in the archives:
http://w
> Dear Santosh,
>
>Both Goanet and America have been a great source of
>learning for me
..
>
>that traditional philosophy itself has become
obsolete >in light of advances made by science.
>
Dear Selma,
You ar
--- Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Santosh:
>
> I submit that all 3 websites that you have provided
> are ideologically driven ones. The last one is
> driven by "hindutva" while the first 2 are driven by
> "gandhivaad"...The second one is merely a criticism
> of a play on Nathuram wh
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>So your conclusion below - "most likely wrong" is a
>mistake. Such basic mistakes are not good for a
>scientist.:=))
>
Hi Gilbert,
You are most likely wrong about Spinoza because of the
wrong assumptions you make in the following quote of
yours:
--- Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Santosh:
>
> I have provided you with clear evidence why at least
> 2 of those facts are blatant lies or half truths at
> best.Can you comment on them?
>
Dear Chinmay,
I have no quibbles with you on those two factual
points, other than a minor issu
I disagree with Anand here. I think there is pretty
even balance on Goanet between posts that are
anti-Hindu, anti-Christian, anti-Muslim,
anti-non-Goan, anti-Indian, anti-Portuguese,
anti-western, anti-science, anti-establishment, etc.
That is how it should be in a secular public forum.
Cheers,
The following post reveals the creationist position of
a spokesman of one religious organization out of many.
There are several misconceptions regarding evolution
in this post. Those who want to know what these
misconceptions are can email me privately.
However, scientists, science in general and
Fr. Ivo's latest installment, appended below, once
again clearly shows that not being a scientist, he
consistently misunderstands what scientists like the
noted evolutionary biologist Francisco Ayala and
myself write about science.
I must tell you that the direct response of Francisco
Ayala to Fr
--- "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> While this is how it IS ... I disagree that this is
> how it SHOULD BE
> in a secular forum.
> Anti-this and Anti-that is abnormal "ab inicio".
>
Josebab,
Sorry, the "should be" applies to the even balance
between all the antis, not to the an
--- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Do Goans have an "anti-" gene? Can DNA tests be
> expanded to confirm this? George
>
George,
Actually, you raise a very serious question. It is
well known that opposition to something motivates
people to take action much better than support for
som
--- "Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>When you say that God is a "figment of mind", then
>you can use all these terms to miracles and
>supernatural realities-- the existence of God is
>superstition or unfounded-irrational belief ("This
>would be a good strategy"), hallucination
>
Unfortunately, when a gratuitous hate post is directed
against an unrepresented minority there is no one to
counter to it. I can only imagine how Tariq might have
responded to this if he were still subscribed to this
mailing list.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Edward Desilva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>.
Excellent, Pravin! Here's one of mine.
Net-Goa: Land remaining in Goan hands
More later.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Pravin Sabnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here's my list of ten for the charitable cause:
>
> 1. drain-brain: amnesia
>
> 2. duper-super: smart crook
>
I think it is quite clear who is unnecessarily
stirring trouble on Goanet, and who the insurgent and
the trouble-maker is in this case. It is certainly not
Tariq, who was a long time Goanetter and a very
sensible young man. It is also certainly not anybody
with a Muslim name.
Cheers,
Santosh
edw
It is true that to free ourselves from the well-worn
caricatures created by "bhaile" from the "Indian
swamp" we have to educate ourselves about our
indigenous culture, which stretches over three
millennia. The irony is that in doing so we will find
out how deeply moored we are in the Indian swamp,
Hi Mervyn,
Here's more:
Mate-room: bridal suite
Hole-pot: perforated weed
Man-post: phallic symbol
Down-let: ground floor rental
Moon-honey: long form of money
Port-air: foul land breeze
Productive-counter: cashiers desk
Light-high: mildly intoxicated
Stamp-rubber: branded barrier contraceptive
I have several problems with this prelude to a
têteàtête from Rajan, as with some of his other
logorrheic missives.
I do not think an interrogation by Dr. Parrikar is
more credible than a certificate from India experts
from anywhere. While a temperate 3-month travelogue
has value beyond its won
Dr. Parrikar has compounded his problems. His
insinuation of the scientific method in the task of
judging Robert Newman's credentials is absurd. To make
matters worse he conflates the scientific method with
his idiosyncratic fixation on a personal
interrogation. It is well known that in science, or
Dr. Parrikar and his followers (or Drs. Parrikars) are
contricting their goal from Goan culture in general
to non-Western, non-Christian elements of Goan music,
just to suit their argument. Their claim that
scholarly writing is merely suggestive of knowledge is
bogus. This may be true for platitude
In his latest installment Dr. Parrikar confuses the
scientific method with the trivial act of digging
through the Goanet archives.
Reading what he has dug out of the archives again only
confirms my earlier suspicion that his statements on
what he refers to as the ghanti affliction are far
from be
--- Venantius Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Anyway, it appears that it would have been
>acceptable had Helekar said that, Dr. Newman knows
>more about Goa than "most" Goans, instead of
>knowing more than any Goan. In the end the record
>will speak for itself.
>
Hi Venantius,
You are being
--- "Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>We cannot dance at the tune of scientific theories.
>
I assume Fr. Ivo means that he and his co-religionists
cannot accept the validity of scientific theories such
as the Darwinian theory of evolution, theories of
gravitation and electromagne
--- anand virgincar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>The comment above is totally out of context to
> what Bab Rajan had said. I would be grateful to Bab
>Santosh if he does not give a communal slant to every
>statement as is the way of the communal harmony
>specialists in Goa and on goanet.
>
I subm
--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Light-high: mildly intoxicated. (Santosh Helekar)
>
> Can the winners please send me an email instructing
> me how/where to send their prize of USD$ 100.00
> each?
>
Hi Mervyn,
Thanks. Please donate my prize mon
--- "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Back to Rajan Parrikar. Have you guys seen the venom
>he spews against my learned colleague Dr. Santosh
>Helekar? What is the problem? If you cannot get your
>way - you spit fire?
>
Hi Josebab,
I do n
--- "Rajan P. Parrikar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>What falls out of all this is the factoid that Dr.
>Helekar knows virtually nothing about culture, Goan
>or otherwise.
>
Actually, with the above assertion Dr. Parrikar has
refuted his own argument. How can he conclude that I
know virtually n
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Recently in the USA media the following alarming
>statistics was presented:
>Nearly 40% of US babies in 2006 were born outside of
>marriage (to single mothers). In 1980, this statistic
>was 18%. Some of the 40% single mothers will marry
the >fathe
"Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >We cannot dance at the tune of scientific
> >theories.
>.
>I would qualify now "at the tune of so-called
>'scientific' theories".
>
In this revision of his earlier opinion Fr. Ivo
appears to be implying that
interest.
Some of the same is true with respect to Fr. Ivo's
interrogation of me, and vice versa.
If RP ends up interrogating MP, he should ask the
following question:
Is every piece of unthinking rubbish, every concrete
atrocity in Goa an Indian contribution?
Cheers,
Santosh
>
> Fr
--- pratap naik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In Goa the following 22 Scheduled languages spoken
> as the mother tongue in
> the descending order:
> Konknni 769,888; Marathi 304,208;..
>..Manipuri 49; Sanskrit 46; Santali 24;
> Bodo 7.
>
I am surprised that Sanskrit is
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